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Classic Doctors never cried and they certainly never tried to get into another man’s pants within minutes of meeting them whilst their friend was about to have her brain fried! This version of Who is garbage.

IMO that last appearance has serious Missy vibes, though of course that could also be a misdirection. "...that mysterious adventurer in all of time and space, known only as Doctor Who" (Missy, "World Enough and Time") and the umbrella look like they're pointing that way. Which, knowing RTD, probably means she isn't, but the clues are there whether they're legit or red herrings :-).

i have a totally different take on this. Why on earth are we counting and judging each expression of sadness at all? I think we are over analyzing it.The actual important question is Does he sell it? He is an amazing actor with a very expressive personality. When he felt it and shows it, we feel it BECAUSE he gets us there through his acting. There is NO acting performance that perfectly matches every single viewer's personal feelings and expressions! Imagine this type of analysis with every actor with different styles... we all could point to moments where the "average" person would look and act differently, or miss all expression totally. Point is, he is a great actor, we get to care about him , so it completely works.

I'm not convinced that the majority of people hold those two extreme views. Those who don't like the crying just want it to be used sparingly to give it more meaning. It's quite simple

He cries in every episode. The Doctor can cry but not in every episode. Remember he’s not human.

I think shes either the rani romana or hecuba but i think more likely to be hecuba who is god of time or aged river song from alternate reality. I dont think her breaking forth wall isnt any importance i hope they dont keep using that. I think shes always been watching the doctor

Have to agree with many of your own points Phil, and thank you, it's great that you're not discounting the positive masculine comments on the crying. And I can't disagree with the idea that it was being used to make US feel something.

Whenever previous Doctor's deviated from their normal baseline into extreme emotion it meant something. It forced the audience to pay attention. And it's not just tears. I'm thinking of when 13 got angry with her companions in Villa Diodoti (talking about being on the summit alone to make the hard decisions). 11 getting mad in the Beast Below (saying no one human has anything to say to him). 12 getting angry over Clara's death. 11 crying at the loss of Amy. The tears shed by 10. 9 joyously laughing when everybody lives (just this once). 14 getting emotional talking to the fake Donna on the spaceship (angsting over his role in the Flux destroying the universe). So for 15 to devolve into the same type of tears and extreme emotion over and over (with one slow tear as he appears to slowly crumble inside) was definitely too much. I get that some people want to defend it. But us saying the crying was too much for a fictional character is not the same as judging someone for crying in real life. And people defend 15 by saying they would have cried all the times he did, in the same circumstances. Well, the 15th Doctor is not human. He's an alien with genius level intelligence, who's lived over a dozen lives (maybe dozens) and has been in a lot of dangerous situations. And it's when he cries too. Crying at the end of Dot and Bubble, as he watches the people going off to their doom, when there's nothing more to be done? Appropriate. Crying in fear, defeat or sorrow before even trying to solve the problem? Not okay. Not for the Doctor.

I agree. Less crying, although Dot and Bubble was still powerful, maybe because it wasn't just tears coming down, but more expression because of the situation. Less is more as they say.

To me, there's a difference between shedding a tear or two and "crying". I do agree that it shouldn't be almost literally every episode, but there's a difference between just letting some tears out and outright sobbing. 15 only really ugly-cries shortly after Ruby exits the TARDIS in Empire, and I think that was beautiful cause it appeared that he was trying to hold back the pain of not seeing his granddaughter and failing. Again, I do agree that he shouldn't be shedding tears all the time, but I would be much more annoyed with it if he was crying to a point of being useless during major plot developments, which 15 does not. The way he does it makes it seem like he's just letting it out in the moment and then moving on as best he can.

Is possible she is Susan Foreman ?

I think she is the Tardis. Remember when it was said that when the Doctor died, the Tardis would park itself and get super large. I think it would park itself on Earth, and the expansion is the building, all the doors in Ruby’s building have blue doors, so the Tardis is trying to hide itself, so it has hidden itself as a building. The perception field has made it appear as a building as opposed to the typical Tardis we have seen. But who knows. I just remember that planet when the Tardis was personified as a woman on the planet with that entity that killed all those time lords and they were using them for parts. She was kind of quirky because she was not human.

He’s emotionally rehabilitated-he’s not repressed any more

The Doctor shouldn't cry at all in my opinion I didn't even like it with Eccleston or Tennant because it takes the alieness out of the Doctor he shouldn't be like everyone else his emotions and customs should be indifferent to a human call me old fashion but the crying makes the Doctor a weak character you never see Batman cry and I like it like that it's out of character and Ncuti's Doctor is doing it far too often and it just makes his character boring. I also don't think men should cry full stop atleast not in public.

The Doctor cries.

Effectively you can't normalize and sensationalize at the same time. Something cannot be both normal and remarkable at the same time. This is why "free the nipple" and page three of the Sun were not ideologically aligned to each other because you can't have something be commonplace and the selling point of pornography at the same time. Besides which, when I cry, and I do and most of us at some point do, I do so in private; it's not a spectator sport. Can you imagine in a speculative future year of 2080, due to a successful progressive campaign to destigmatise masturbation it has become routine for lead characters in IPs to be depicted w**king in front of one another. There is a big difference between saying "we all do that; that shouldn't be shameful" and saying "we should be doing that in front of each other, proudly, at every opportunity and if you don't you're probably toxic." For whose benefit is the crying supposed to be for? To satisfy someone trying to make one cry? To communicate to someone too emotionally illiterate to read the other indicators of grief or pain? If it is to provide an outlet to the experiencer of pain then permit them the dignity to do it privately if they wish to.

It's a non-verbal catchphrase, and catchprhases are usually annoying to most people but not merchandisers and their fandom signalling customer base. Even "brave heart, Tegan" was annoying.

Hold on, who is saying "he should never cry"? (I have to say, using the phrase "extreme camp" in a discussion on Ncuti's Doctor is just bait! How am I supposed to resist putting a punchline to that feed?!? 😂 I will exert all my will power like Noah in battle with his own wirrn-infected arm in Ark In Space.) But I think both your extreme camps are strawmen; I don't think anyone is saying he has to be a rod of iron. The Doctor is hardly a Clint Eastwood character anyway. And why privilege tear shedding over other forms of expressing grief or sadness? Just because someone does not shed tears as their form of expressing doesn't mean they are not expressing. The 5th Doctor is shell shocked when he delivers the line "there should have been a better way" in Warriors of the Deep. I think it is wrong to tell people they are not expressing their grief properly if tear-shedding is not their form of expression. But the tenth Doctor cried occasionally; so did the ninth in End of the World so if they were truly against that they would have abandoned Doctor Who before the telemovie. It is not as though we have never seen the Doctor express grief before.

As you and others have said, it's fine that he cries, he just did it far, far too much! it lost all impact very quickly and just made him seem like he would cry if a waiter said “sorry, we don't have Pepsi, is Coke ok?”. Then again i also thought in a lot of this series he didn't really come across as being particularly smart either, sure, there were some scenes, but overall there seemed to be quite few scenes of the Dr being several steps ahead of everyone, knowing what's happening and how to solve it. Similarly to the crying, some moments like that are fine to make sure we know a situation is really bad as even the Dr doesn't know what to do, but when it happens so often, he just comes across as, almost, a bit thick. Then again i'm not a massive Dr Who fan, only a casual watcher so my opinions might not be the best, and with dot and bubble i seem to be the only person who didn't pick up the ending was meant to be racist, i thought it was meant to be because he was "poor", so maybe i'm a bit thick as well.

Nope she is the Doctors great great late granddaughter who turns out to be a time lord…. That or she is just a red herring

I think Mrs. Flood is The Rani also. But that white fluffy coat she wears near the end just screamed Romana at me, cause I've seen that coat before in Who, Romana wore it.

Could she be Time from Flux? Knowing the Doctors fate and having knowledge of higher dimensions.

I couldn't agree with you.... More Phil.. 🥲

I've never seen anyone say the Doctor should never cry. But get out there and kick that strawman's ass. It is not a sign of being a healthy adult if you are constantly crying. Normal people cry infrequently. The Doctor was the real space baby all along.

A great analysis. Spot on.

it's shite

Disappointed they couldn't squeeze it into 73 yards.

I think she might be Clara because she would know about the TARDIS and when she was staying with cherry, she was wearing what Clara was in her last moment of life.

I do hear what people are saying that maybe 15 does have too many crying scenes, and yeah perhaps they do need to die it down, not completely obviously but just a little bit, although overall I really like the fact that he shows his emotions more than past Doctors did because it makes him unique, fresh, new and different as well so yeah!

A brave video, my friend! :P Seriously though, I do love that this post-rehab Doctor expresses *every* emotion forthrightly, rather than bottling up or waving away as recent incarnations did. I do think that Ncuti's performance earned it every time - his performances were all full of integrity and being-in-the-moment. I do think there's the wider issue of the shorter episode count (I'm with Vera of Council of Geeks on this!). A lot of emotional pay-off wasn't earned with on-screen time e.g. the Doctor's friendship with Ruby. If we'd had the "standard" Doctor Who episodes in between the high-stakes universe-ending moments, the pay-off would have been earned. And then there's the Murray Gold in the room. I actually really enjoyed some of his work this season e.g. in The Devil's Chord, but he really is one of those composers who's telling you what you're meant to feel in every scene. That, to me, is a much bigger culprit for emotional fatigue than Ncuti's tears.

Nailed it. Nothing more to be said. It gets kinda exhausting that if u argue the obvious point that from an audience investment perspective, The Doctor crying every episode lessens its impact, people deliberately choose to misinterpret is as an attack on men being allowed to cry. Of course The Doctor can cry. Why wouldn’t he? But the abundance of it just feels like they’re just exhausting Ncuti’s natural ability to do it as an actor, cause he can, rather than doing it when it feels right.

The crying was so non Doctor. His tears did not have the desired affect making audience do similar. The Doctor with all his abilities and vulnerabilities, but it was too much... we need an alien mad scientist. Not a weeping alien

There was far too much anguish, screaming / shouting / drool and closed off emotions and communication (rubys exit and in rogue kissing that dude he didn’t want to talk about)… for him to be this post therapy version of himself. He seems to be as emotional and messed up as before… I don’t get what they were trying to do!

The only crying man for me is Rembrandt Brown.

Doctor Who is set up as a parent figure and protector of their companions,. Parents of any gender often hide their fear, vulnerability and upset for the sake of their children. .This was often the case with the doctor- which made it more powerful when the doctor's mask slipped and the companions the doctor's raw emotions. This dynamic has changed in this season because it is often the doctor who presents as vulnerable, afraid and emotional and Ruby who has had to maternally comfort and reassure the doctor.

The point of a hero is that a hero acts in adversity. In at least the Rogue episode, the Doctor stood crying instead of acting in adversity. The Doctor's character traits include judgement, fast thinking, scientific problem solving, and leadership. Those are all hindred by crying. Characters in relationship based dramas can show more emotion as they don't need to save the world in the next 5 minutes. Dr Who hasn't the screen time to be both a relationship based drama and a life and death adventure in every episode.

We find out it’s bill’s SO making cameos 😅

Some people are just more outwardly emotional. It doesn’t have to have an effect on you. If he was laughing instead, would people be as bothered?

I disagree. Crying is not displaying one emotion. In your recap you show scenes of sadness, anger, despair, fear, happiness, and sometimes a combination. I like that it normalises a man crying, or frankly anyone crying. It’s supposed to lose its impact a bit. I mean people whose reaction is to cry at every emotion do exist. I said in another comment, we never hear The Doctor should shout less.

It’s because in every outfit the Doctor carries an onion

I'm with you on this, and I love the detailed episode-to-episode ideas at the end, thank you! It's been a bit difficult to parse my feelings on it, because - as you kind of touch on here - our bodies' stress response isn't really under our control, so some people are just fundamentally criers and I totally accept that. My body likes to shed stress by laughing, which is usually less appropriate and annoys people even more! But directors can mould actors' performances, and Gatwa has the range to express the Doctor's feelings in other ways too.

I've always been able to understand The Doctor, from 9 to 13. I just don't get 15. He doesn't feel like The Doctor, and it has nothing to do with his color or even his preference for men. His changing outfits every episode does not help. And his crying in just about every episode is the worst part. As I said elsewhere, if I wanted to hear about it being okay to cry, I would watch episodes of "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood". And I don't blame Ncuti Gatwa. He's just doing his job. It is RTD's bad writing. He use to have some of the most amazing stories. Now he can barely put together a complete season that makes sense. Just my opinion.

Yeah, this is more or less how I feel, if he'd kept it to just the end of Dot and Bubble and the moment he's screaming out of the tardis then those two moments would have been extremely powerful for it, but in both cases we'd had it so much that it lessened the sense of how upsetting that moment is for him. If he bursts into tears at the smallest prompt it makes the big things feel smaller rather than the smaller things feel bigger. There is a lot of weight to be mined from holding back a little, we saw that when they filmed Tennant's regeneration into Smith, they did four takes of various degrees of holding back and concluded that the doctor completely breaking down was ultimately going to take away from how much the audience would feel the emotion of the scene, and they seem to have unlearned that. Tennant was really good at showing really strong emotion while remaining stoic, scenes like the ending to girl in the fireplace when he's back in the tardis or at the end of Midnight talking to Donna, you can see the amount of emotion he's holding back and in some ways it's more impactful than if he was crying. I think for sure it's good to show him crying, holding back emotion can be impactful and dramatic but it's not a healthy thing to do all the time, but I think picking and choosing your moments you'd get a much stronger reaction.

I definitely agree it does lose it's impact when he cries every episode sometimes multiple times in an episode, I feel similar at the start of the series when the Doctor runs away from the Bogeyman I think it loses abit of the impact when Maestro arrives in the next episode. I agree with all your choices of when he should have cried

I don't remember the 10th doctor saying that that much??

I feel like he does it too much

Personally, it didn't effect my viewing experience, and the ending of dot and bubble was still very impactful, but I think that was more to do with Ncuti's acting in the scene and the crying just added to that, but every other time it did almost nothing for me emotionally. For example, in Boom and Empire of Death, it did nothing for me, because I knew that Ruby and the entire universe would get brought back to life.