Why there's NO Beatles music in the Beatles musical episode? │ Doctor Who
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2024
- Russel T Davies has said that there will be no Beatles music in the 60s set episode of Doctor Who that FEATURES The Beatles. Why? and is it actually a good idea?
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I know they've got that Disney money but if they paid royalties for an episode's worth of Beatles music the rest of the season would be The Doctor & Ruby talking in the TARDIS control room. I'd rather they be original songs anyway, would feel like a waste to do a musical ep and be a jukebox musical.
Absolutely. And one thing I should have talked about in the video but forgot is that even if rights for broadcast streaming were doable the residuals needing to pay for things like home media would have been prohibitive.
At work we can sometime use commercial music which we have to edit out for the podcast version. So broadcast in radio in the UK has it in any international distribution (like podcasts) doesn’t.
if they have all the Disney plus money and with all the Beatles documentaries on Disney plus surely they could get one single song. Absolutely bizarre decision.
I remember Mad Men paid a million dollars for 'Tomorrow Never Knows'.
The NBC series Dark Skies had a Beatles-themed episode called A Dark Day's Night which centered around their appearance on the Johnny Carson show in 1964. Four Beatles numbers can be heard, but none of them were written by members of the band. Presumably RTD explored this possibility before making his decision.
I’m sure he did. Of course we do know… showrunners lie. He could have just said all that in thee interview to throw us off that there actually is a song. Who knows.
@@CulturePhilter They could do what 1994's Backbeat did and only feature the cover songs, not any Lennon/McCartney compositions. Even if it isn't a Lennon/McCartney song, "Twist And Shout" is pretty iconic for the band.
@@jenniferschillig3768 I’m sure they’ve investigated that possibility. Either they also determined that was too expensive or they are going to surprise us with one.
The Beatles played, "Ticket to Ride" on episode 1 of, "The Chase", and this was included on the recent Blu-Ray release of this episode.
That’s interesting. For the DVD wasn’t it replaced with a different band? Or am I misremembering that?
The clip was trimmed out of the US blu-ray release so Beatles copyright strikes again
@@markboyle2539 ahhh that was it. I think if this would was airing just in the UK it might be easier for them to get the rights but with international distribution it pushes up the price massively.
I think the Beatles will be similar to the Shakespeare code (the power of music control)
Crossed with a pidepiper type villain with Jinx.
With a ‘yesterday’ parody, the effects of the world without the Beatles. (also a great movie)
Yeah and from the looks of the trailer the world without the Beatles is a lot bleaker than in ‘Yesterday’
As a Beatles fan, I'm sad to hear that there will be no their songs in an episode, but I will be even more sad if there will be no Beatles themselves. They were not just the band, they were a team with incredible chemistry between them, and I'd so love to see how this chemistry would work with the Doctor included in the team (and I'm pretty shure he would fit in!). The Beatles were and are much more than their music.
Well it was. Just a guess that we’ll only see them briefly at the beginning and end. And even then I’m sure the Doctor and Ruby will interact with them at least once.
Or did you mean have the real life Beatles surviving members cameo? Paul and Ringo popping in for a quick scene.
@CulturePhilter no, I meant actors playing The Beatles, which, in fact, would be rather hard task, but now, when you mentioned it, I think, a cameo from Paul and Ringo would be terrific!
@@55goodwin97 - we’ll see the actors playing them a bit. If not for long. Are you worried they’ll do a bad job *being* the Beatles?
@CulturePhilter I wish to see them a lot IF they will do a good job being Beatles. But I understand that being Beatles is a very tricky job.
I love Doctor Who but i must admit the fact that there is going to be Beatles themed musical epsiode has passed me by compleatly, only found out because of this video
Well, glad to be of service in informing you 🙂
I’ve got a feeling that if the Beatles do sing it’ll be on par with the time the Doctor met Shakespeare and they performed the lost play. So this could be a lost song possibly?
Could be. I wonder if they’d have to sign off on the implication that they have a lost song and that that is it. Potentially if people think it’s bad it THEORETICALLY impact on their reputation despite it not really having anything to do them (highly unlikely of course, their reputation is stronger that that but theoretically possible)
@@CulturePhilter yeah good point
As a Beatles fan as well as a Doctor Who fan, I can think of three possible stories.
1) the Beatles are recording How Do You Do It at the very beginning of their recording careers. Historically, they rejected the song in favour of their own composition and had their first hit. As the song later became a hit for Gerry and the Pacemakers the song could potentially be used and it's a key turning point in history to explore.
2) later in the 60s the Beatles recorded a song called Carnival of Light that was never released, giving Murray Gold a blank canvas! A little like Shakespeares lost play in 2007.
3) no music, but the Beatles help the Doctor defeat a Walrus from a Yellow Submarine using a Glass Onion, inspiring a few tracks along the way...
Personally I’m now rooting for that last one 😄
I'm gonna guess the big musical number will be in the STYLE of a Beatles song, almost like a lost Beatles song that was never produced! And it'd be really funny if the Doctor and/or Ruby mention titles of Beatles songs and they're like "That's a great idea" and thus the Doctor and co. have influenced history... again!
Yeah I think you’re right, that big number might well have Beatles influences.
Kinda like the shakespear code.
Half of the first couple of Beatle LP's are full of cover versions, so they could do those instead. That or Russell is lying and he's saving us from one key Beatle song or several of em?
True the copyright for the lyrics and composition would rest with someone else if they were originally covers. That might be cheaper to then do their own cover. Unless the Beatles record label subsequently purchased the copyright to them off the original rights holders.
Im curious, you said they couldn't use the music unless it was something where it was a cause one of the Beatles had a real interest in. In a case like that, do they have to all agree? Or would they have to pay the other members if they don't agree?
I mean it probably doesn't matter for the Beatles. They probably would agree on using it. But I know there are bands that aren't amicable to each other, and if one wanted to use a piece of music for something that was important to them, I can see where other members would say no just because they don't like them... And what happens then?
That’s a good point. And probably depends on where the rights actually fall. So will depend on the original contracts the bands signed and any selling of rights they have done since.
The lyrics and compositions themselves I think were generally written by one member per song, sometimes two of them collaborating. If I’m remembering correctly. So those indervidual would hold the literary copyright to them unless they sold those rights.
The recordings of the band playing and singing them are a separate thing with its own copyright and that PROBABLY resides with the record label rather then individual members.
i think them releasing the soundtrack a few days before airing was just made up by someone on twitter, but i’m not sure.
Hopefully. I mean I definitely want the soundtrack released…. Just AFTER the episode.
@@CulturePhilter it sounds believable because of what they did with the goblin song but i don’t want to know all the songs before the episode airs.
@@joeyunderwood exactly.
2:06 odd is an understatement.
In the end though I wouldn’t call this a “Beatles episode” they were a part of it but they weren’t the story really.
@@CulturePhilter The Beatles were the whole impetus for the story and literally save the day at the end, plus the end battle is at Abbey Road studios. So safe to say it is a Beatles story.
@@purefoldnz3070 they also aren’t in it for 2/3rds of the episode 🤷♂️.
@@CulturePhilter Abbey road sure is and the crossing etc. Its a Beatles episode with a monster or in this case god of the week.
Copyright from APPLE Corp and their estates.
Ruby Sunday sounds very Beatles though.
Do you mean her singing ?
Ruby Tuesday, Rolling Stones 😉
@@Gozza666 oh, gotcha
my theory is that this will take place before the beatles wrote all their great hits
Yeah could be. Were they recording in Abby Road right from the start before they’d had a hit?
Like the movie Backbeat?
@@jenniferschillig3768 I’ve not seen that.
@@CulturePhilter You ought to. It's rather under-appreciated. It came out in 1994 and covers the Beatles' time in Hamburg, focusing mainly on Stuart Sutcliffe, his romance with Astrid Kirchherr and his friendship with John. This was also when Pete Best was still the drummer, but they do have an encounter with Rory Storm's drummer Ringo Starr. It's on Blu-Ray, but it isn't streaming anywhere that I can find. What's interesting is that Ian Hart played John Lennon both before and after this movie (the movie The Hours And Times and the TV play Snodgrass) and Gary Bakewell played Paul once afterwards (the TV-movie The Linda McCartney Story).
My understanding is that the rights currently belong to Apple and Sony/ATV Publishing, so they'll likely be making the final decision and not the band's surviving members. A shame as this sounds like a massive opportunity for two of the UK's biggest cultural exports to come together (ha) for one big lovely tribute.
But nah, it always boils down to money. Lame.
Interestingly Sony own Bad Wolf productions who currently make Doctor Who. But then having the same parent company is never guarantee. Of special treatment by another one of their businesses.
@@CulturePhilter Yep. Danny Boyle's Beatles movie, Yesterday, cost between 30-40 million to make. 10 million of that was just to license its music. Even with some sort of "mates rate", this is way out of Who's budget.
It'll be interesting to see their creative solution to all this. Good video as always Phil!
@@TREKLAD cheers 🙂
Yeah, no. Keep cringe out of Doctor Who please. Thanks.
Oh well
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I'm definitely intrigued by this episode... and the fact that it was inspired by copyright law (gosh, that sounds geeky, doesn't it?). I wonder if RTD will create a Beatle-esque sounding song to use in the episode, which for some plot-related reason never gets produced?
I think that would make sense. I do hope that it is a full musical episode with lots of songs rather than just that one though.
Disney could afford at least one Fabs song plus so it doesn’t wash.
Well a per ep budget will have been set early on when Disney came on board, probably before even the idea to do this ep came about.
It’s not like they would necessarily be able to just go back and ask for more. They would be expected to stick to those budgets for whatever ideas they came up with.
I kind of expected it because they wouldnt have the rights to it since this show is now a disney company.
Trying to follow your logic but not sure what Disney being involved specifically has to do with STOPPING them getting the rights.
@@CulturePhilter Yeah, it's not as though Disney Plus hasn't been providing is with quite a bit of Beatle content lately...Get Back, this episode, and now the re-release of the original Let It Be documentary.
So Philip they'll be using Girls Aloud instead of The Beatles
That would be a weird choice.
@@CulturePhilter Because considering that its the 20th Anniversary of What Will The Neighbours Say? by Girls Aloud and they will be using either Love Machine or I'll Stand by You
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If they couldn't afford it, they shouldn't have done it.
The story worked without Beatles songs in the end.
I grew up when doctor who was northern and gritty in 2005. Not non binary and queer and then Tennant was perfection too.. the 1980s doctor who was told off for being misogynistic towards women.. but russell gay Davies is turning doctor who into a lgbt queen fest
Why would this be a bad thing, this is inherently good news. If there were any Beatles songs actually in the episode, I'd have to refuse, on principle, to watch it. Keep trash out of Doctor Who please. (No Beatles, no Star Wars, no poorly written trans-scripts, just good Doctor Who.) I mean, have trans-scripts, just make sure they're well written, and not hackey like the 60th specials were. This is a quality show, not your Uncle Bob's fanfic.
Not a fan of The Beatles songs generally then?
Either way, this will be one cringe of an episode, so hopefully it passes by quickly and we can get to the land mine episode Moffat wrote.
Cringe is of course subjective. What one person find cringe, another loves. 🤷♂️