5 Possible Identities of MRS FLOOD in Doctor Who
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Curious about the mysterious Mrs Flood in Doctor Who? In this video, we explore 5 possible identities of this intriguing character whole be back in Season 2.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:54 - Mrs Flood in Season 2
01:14 - Romana
03:32 - The Rani
04:27 - The White and Black Guardians
05:44 - A new god
06:37 - The Boss
06:59 - Companion Cosplay 
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I can’t stop thinking that the link between “river”, “Pond” and “Flood “ is particularly striking…
Hmmm it certainly is… but is it just a red herring?
@@CulturePhilter probably, but I’m interested in the elemental references. All of the “water” references and now so many “earth” references “Ruby” etc.
I had not actually thought of that! LOL! There are fans who do want to see River come back, so I guess they could pull a stunt like that... I woudl not want it to be that though as River Song's Story officially ends with "Silence in the Library" - That said, It woudl not be the first time Who Canon has been rewritten to meet a Showrunners Whims...
Also the title "Mrs" suggests that she might be married to someone important
and to the link of River, Pond and Flood, you could snow... for the snow that ruby seems to generate.
I think Mrs Flood is the Rani.
A flood can be created by rain and an anagram of rain is RANI.
Also she has said things that seem dark and villainous which is strange and she also knows what a tardis is.
Since the Rani was mentioned in episode 1 it means that the character rights have probably now been sorted out.
Good point about the rights.
I’ve ALWAYS wanted Siouxsie Sioux to play The Rani myself 😎💜👾
The fact they dressed her in an outfit that looked so much like Romana at the end there feels like a deliberate misdirect, just like the susan thing, it feels like they wouldn't make it that obvious.
There was a webcomic someone made many many years ago, a multi doctor story with the first ten doctors, and it featured the guardians, portrayed as younger women instead of older men, with some notion of form being arbitrary to them, but the interesting idea they threw in was that in that story the white guardian was actually the villain, her desire for order in the cosmos was at odds with the chaotic nature of life, so she wanted to pretty much end everything, and the black guardian was kind of the force for good in that context, it was very interesting as an idea, because the two were often played as being this balance, you can't have light without darkness, or darkness without knowledge of the light, I'd love to see that idea explored in the series proper.
Oooo yeah I really like that.
Roof top, umbrella, bag ... It;'s Mary Poppins !
If she can just stay “I’m Mary Poppins Y’all!” I will be happy 😄
I thought Mary Poppins as soon as I saw that shot on the rooftop with umbrella. 😂
Just like Missy...
My theory is she is the 5th member of East17.
They are then going to crack out a belting edition of ‘stay another day’. They will all be wearing the iconic white outfits from the original music video from the 90’s
Love it. 🤣
My current theory is she's the God of Stories, what's interesting though is in the Church on Ruby Road she doesn't seem to recognise the Police Box as the Tardis it's only when she sees it dematerialise that she figures out what it is then we get the 'never seen a Tardis before' line which must mean she didn't know about the Doctor before that unless that was a trick of some kind so my current theory is that she's the God of Stories and she was living next door to Ruby to figure out Ruby's story which is why when the Church on Ruby Road story 'comes to an end' in Empire of Death she's holding a suitcase because Ruby's story is now over she doesn't need to live next door anymore and she's now focusing on the Doctor, the old companion outfits can also fit into this theory if she's looked into the Doctors story and is dressing like old companions from his stories if that makes sense? Could be wrong but that's my theory from what we've been shown I don't really think she's good or evil
I think that’s my favorite idea too. A new character that explains almost everything about her.
@CulturePhilter I like this theory. Mine own goes a similar route about someone who has studied or observed the doctors timeline hense the outfits. Also someone of power. But I was going more in the direction of a timeless relative. Someone searching for then watching their long lost relative.
@@twistedrealitys742 ooo our first person from his true species? I’ll be honest I would hope it would be at goo few years before we started to get introduced to them. But might not be too bad if it’s just one and we don’t learn too much. Sort of like when Meddling Monk was Introduced in first Doctor’s era.
@@twistedrealitys742 this theory is also possible, I just think the God of Stories makes the most sense with all the fourth wall breaks she does
@@kylerees3491 I do agree and think I have gone into to the reams of fantasy with my theory. Its not my only one but I have a soft spot for it.
I have always been facinated by the eternal or immortal characters. Maybe because I started of with Torchwood way before I got into DW.
The toymaker, Rassilon and the eternals themselves were characters I longed to have more about. I was excited by 13ths eternal story.
She's Rassilon, exiled.
He narrates The End Of Time
That is one option that hadn’t even crossed my mind. But yes, he was banished from Gallifrey before the Master killing everyone so they could be out there.
@@CulturePhilter she does look like rasilon
It certainly makes me think that, like Shutek, Mrs Flood has a great deal of knowledge of what the Doctor has been doing in his ravels. Perhaps, as in one of the Dr Who books, she IS an advanced form af TARDIS with the disguise feature of being a sentient being, at present in human form!!!
I’d love to see Human form Tardis’s on the show itself. Could be really interesting.
I read on another forum. She maybe Rassilon hiding on Earth after his banishment from Gallifrey. His character is known for breaking the 4th wall.
Is he? I guess there was the narration in The End of Time pt 1 but it was show he was talking to assembled Timelords there at the end so not really breaking the 4th wall.
It’s definitely the last one.
For everyone who proposes a YAGLA (Yet Another God-Like Alien) other than the God of Stories, then explain how Sutekh dusted her.
(It works for a God of Stories because stories exist for beings, and if Sutekh brings death to the universe, then he simultaneously brings death to all Stories.)
I actually like the God of Stories idea, actually; for one thing, no matter what crises she throws at the Doctor, if he wins, she wins-and if he loses, she wins too. An unbeatable foe!
Why would you assume gifs can’t use their powers in other gods? The Toymaker and Maestro were clearly scared of him.
I think that just as Idris was used as a host for the TARDIS in the Doctors Wife, the coming of Sutek caused the TARDIS enough distress that it used Mrs. Flood as a host. This explains the nods at the wardrobe of the companions as well as the stickers on the case.
So how did the TARDIS keep working?
Possible..
Very eagle eyed viewers. She's actually worn the same outfits as Rory, Clara and Romana
(white fur costume) "Clever boy" , A lot of people assume her ominous speech at the end was Christmas There were no decorations up in the Ruby household but it was snowing.
We know Millie is coming back for a limited time. It has to be the link with Mrs Flood.
Dobson said in the red carpet interview series 2 who Mrs Flood is and what her plans are will unfold "See how fans feel about that", Right now the Monk would be my guess.
When the Doctor name dropped some other timelords you know that was a lovely big breadcrumb from RTD,
Still doesn't explain why Ruby's mother was dressed like she was going to an audition to AHS Coven, They said the tape was grainy what if her Mum dropped her off and Mrs Flood picked her up for a reason?
Yeah the Monk is a good shout, they are well overdue a tv return
Personally, I'd like her to be the God of Stories. It would explain her 4th wall awareness and her dressing as past companions
I think that’s definitely my preferred option too.
I think she might be Clara because she would know about the TARDIS and when she was staying with cherry, she was wearing what Clara was in her last moment of life.
True but as she’s worn the outfits of multiple past companions are they clues or red herrings? 🤔
I think she is the Tardis. Remember when it was said that when the Doctor died, the Tardis would park itself and get super large. I think it would park itself on Earth, and the expansion is the building, all the doors in Ruby’s building have blue doors, so the Tardis is trying to hide itself, so it has hidden itself as a building. The perception field has made it appear as a building as opposed to the typical Tardis we have seen. But who knows. I just remember that planet when the Tardis was personified as a woman on the planet with that entity that killed all those time lords and they were using them for parts. She was kind of quirky because she was not human.
Oh that’s interesting about the blue doors. If this theory turns out to be true then great spot!
Season 1 of the 15th Doctor had another subplot besides Ruby's mum and the mystery of Susan Twist, and that was the Doctor's granddaughter Susan. She was mentioned several times and even shown on screen. The Doctor speculated that Susan Triad might be her, but that didn't turn out to be true.
And yet - what if it wasn't just a red herring? What if it was indeed setup, albeit for a very different payoff? What if Mrs. Flood is Susan? Her unfriendly demeanor (well, we don't always get what we want) could stem from her feeling abandoned by her grandfather who promised to return but never did. And her moments of kindness, especially towards Cherry, could be her true core self coming to light.
Plus, The Church on Ruby Road ended with her winking at the camera, saying "what's the matter, have you never seen a TARDIS before?"
Who better to say this line than the person who coined the name TARDIS to begin with?
Even the companion cosplay running gag might be a hint towards this. Susan was the very first companion after all...
I’d like to see Susan again. Ideally they wouldn’t pretend she hasn’t seen him since he left her on post Dalek invasion earth though. Even if you ignore Big Finish (where she meets the 8th Doctor several times) there is still the Tv show itself where in The Five Doctors she met back up with the 1st Doctor and met the 5th.
The companion cosplay one is really interesting!
Although given RTDs habit of red herrings this past season I wouldn’t be surprised if the outfits mean nothing now.
@@CulturePhilter Same
She’s either The Rani or Iris Wildthyme.
I’d LOVE to see Iris Wildthyme in the show… but I’d be sad it’s not Katy Manning playing her.
I think Mrs. Flood is The Rani also. But that white fluffy coat she wears near the end just screamed Romana at me, cause I've seen that coat before in Who, Romana wore it.
Yes… and that could be a clue, or it could be a red herring. She has also worn other past companions outfits too.
Man U have no idea how devastated I was when my sister disproved my Mrs flood being Amy theory
How did she disprove it?
The Time Lords did not send Romana to be with the Doctor... It was the White Guardian... who appeared as the Time Lord President when he spoke to Romana.
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. So she THOUGHT the time lords had sent her but it was really the white guardian?
@@CulturePhilter Mm. Ok, so, the White Guardian snatches the Doctor out of time and space... Gives him the mission of finding the Key to Time, and tells him he needs a new assistant. Romana is waiting in the TARDIS, and says she was sent by the President of the High Council. Now it gets tricky - In the finale of that season, the Black Guardian, disguised as the White, says that he appeared as the Lord President so as not to confuse Romana... That does not necessarily therefore mean that the White Guardian did what the Black Guardian said..... But certainly that's the implication that I believe most fans follow.
She's the Storyteller, well that's my nickname for her just now. Intriguing.
Yes some kind of god of storytelling would be interesting. And nice to have a new character if so.
My bet is for the Boss. One of the lines in Star Beast was that the Meep’s people were killed for their beautiful fur. Her coat does resemble the Meep.
Yeah likely to be The Boss. That doesn’t stop her also being any of the other options on this list as well though
I got a feeling she is some kinda of time lord she gives me time lord vibes not the master maybe the rani maybe Susan
I think she may be who picked up the Gold Tooth containing the Master but I don’t think she’s The Master herself.
Knows what a TARDIS is ; has knowledge of superbeings ; London accent. This clealry points to Mrs Flood being Drax from The Armageddon Factor.
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Have they not done a Big Finish Drax story yet? I think he'd be great as the protagonist in a story - like Minder in space.
@@markpostgate2551 I do have a veague memory of listening to something with the character in but I can’t remember what. I’ve listened to 8th Doctor more than any other so if I had to guess it would be in an 8th Doctor story.
My money’s on either Rani (a classic villain yet to be seen since the revival started, or River Song. Bear with me… Melody POND > RIVER song > Mrs FLOOD.
I think the River/flood connection is TOO obvious for it to actually be that. I may be wrong of course
I definitely think this season is a pocket universe, maybe built on the doctors imagination
Part of me likes that idea. But part of me worry’s about the implications. At what point would he have entered it?
The toymaker said he truned the Guardians into voodoo dolls, shes also just obviously not
I had…. Completely forgotten that. Maybe they got better after Toymaker’s defeat?
Could be the masters daughter, remember missy commented that the doctor gave his/her daughter a gift….
When did Missy say that?
I have been thinking she is Clara Oswald, taking the long way around to Galifrey.
But Clara wouldn’t have aged.
The more I think about it, the more I believe she is the Tardis. That’s why she dresses like companions. She can time travel. References the Tardis as she knows well about it at the end of the first episode. Is able to connect with the plans of Sutek but at the same time has a kind side.
The Doctor’s TARDIS from a point I. His future or his present?
@@CulturePhilter does a TARDIS has future or past? In the doctor’s timeline yes, but maybe the soul of the TARDIS (like Missis Flood) is atemporal. She is everywhere all at once?
Maybe Mystic Meg was a time lord and regenerated into Mrs Flood - the magical snow globe said so....
Ahhh I remember Mystic Meg from her says on the National Lottery draw programme
If mrs Flood is a Godess, my guess is that she's one of the Norns from the Nordic mythology; Urðr (fate of the future), Verðani (fate of the present) or Skuld (who creates mantles of destiny to each and everyone). Perhaps, wearing the same costumes of previous characters, could make her the Norn of Skuld? But she also could be Rani. Or is she the human form of the Tardis, brought to life by that gigant sledge hammer, when Ncuti made one Tardis to two? It will be an interesting story to follow during the next series 🥳
Creating mantles of Destiny for others would certainly fit with the “I had such plans” and talking about Ruby’s and the Doctor’s stories at the end.
I don't think it's likely she is a guardian or a god since they would have power to rival Suteck. I think the most likely idea is that she is a timelkrd. It would explain her personality change after seeing the Tardis demateralize. Her attitude isn't that far away from Mary Tamm's portrayal of Romana, who was quite haughty, or the Rani.
Not necessarily. Gifs come at different power levels. Don’t forgot both the Toymaker and Maestro were scared of Sutekh.
While I lean towards her being a Timelord like the Rani there is one possibility I've not seen anyone mention: the alleged God of Time.
This being referenced in Flux and also by the Toymaker.
Since Flux hints at this personification of Time being the Doctor's mother/father, something the story of the Timeless Child hints at too, it wouldn't surprise me if RTD is trolling fans by suggesting she's Susan, his granddaughter.
Hmmm interesting idea
@@CulturePhilter
Yeah, it came to me while everyone was speculating she might be Susan and I assumed it was another RTD Herring.
Being the God of Storytime instead would fit though. She does look like an Iris 😁
Gerald Flood was Kamelion's voice actor, so Mrs Flood is Kamelion, obviously.....
🤣 obviously
If I’m not wrong there was a god of spite mentioned by the servant of Sutekh so I think that is her as surely RTD would not reference that character if he was not using them.
The Harbinger referenced a lot of not seen before gods in that scene though.
And he does like to thrown in strange names of things he never has any intention of showing. Remeber in his first era when the Doctor was always referencing things from the time-war we never heard more about like “the army of meanwhiles and neverweres” or the “could have been king” or the “nightmare child”
I want her to be Romana so badly, the Key of Time arc was my first foray into Classic Who. But somehow I feel like she won't be 😭
She does seem a bit sinister to be Romanna… or maybe that’s deliberate misdirection
I remember when people thought River Song was going to be The Rani. It would be nice to see another timelord thats not The Master. I dont think it is Rani (unless the rights issue has been sorted)
Someone else in the comments mentioned the fact that they were even able to name check her earlier on in the season probably means the rights issues have been resolved.
Floods happen when it rains. Rain is an anagram of Rani. As we do like our anagrams 😂
Good point 🙂
I like the amalgamation theory. She could be the Valeyard's companion.
In a similar vein to the valeyard in that it’s all the previous companions worst qualities distilled?
@@CulturePhilter Yeah, which would explain why she seems a bit nasty when denying Cherry a cup of tea in The Legend Of Ruby Sunday.
IMO that last appearance has serious Missy vibes, though of course that could also be a misdirection. "...that mysterious adventurer in all of time and space, known only as Doctor Who" (Missy, "World Enough and Time") and the umbrella look like they're pointing that way.
Which, knowing RTD, probably means she isn't, but the clues are there whether they're legit or red herrings :-).
If you look at the way Russell T Davies as brought back people he as always brought them back in the chronological way they were introduced in the classic series. So who came after Sutekh - Romanna, the Rani, the White and Black Guardian.
Huh 🤔 I guess you’re right. Although I suspect that’s more coincidence than planning
Except Jo Grant appears before Sarah-Jane in the classic series but Sarah-Jane returns before Jo in both modern Who and SJA (obviously with that one). Which is a hole in your theory, whether it is Romana or not. 🙂
@@Elwaves2925 I was going to say the pattern still stands if it’s bad-guys only but just realised that The Toymaker spoils that.
@@Elwaves2925 i agree but the most famous villains are normally in order. I know the Autons returned before the Daleks in new run but if you look at each series the 1st series main bad was Daleks, second series main bad Cybermen, 3rd series main bad The Master, 4th series main bad Davros, new series main bad Sutekh. I still think she might be the Rani. Rani anagram for rain. Rain calls floods. And we all know how RTD likes his anagrams.
@@andrewglasson4583 I might work if you stick to villains, I'm not going to check, so that rules out Romana in your list but puts the Rani in the running. A lot of fans have wanted her back.
She is old enough to be the second daughter of Amy and Rory or maybe she is River or Susan.
If she looks the same age in the 1950s (based on location filming for season 2) I don’t think she could be a child of Amy and Rory ( that wasn’t conceived in time vortex like River)
Another reason of why she could be the Rani is if you think back to Time and the Rani where the Rani ends up cosplaying Mel. What clothes as Mrs Flood been wearing throughout her appearances - Clara, Rory, Bill and Romana. Each time she appears she is wearing clothes that a former companion to the Doctor wore similar to when she played Mel in Time and the Rani.
Yep. 🙂 I do make that point in the video I think.
Personally, I think Mrs. Flood is a former companion and like so many other fans, I'm hoping it's Romana.
I’d love to have Romana in the show again. I’m personally edging more toward the new god-like character as being more likely though. Something like God of Storytelling.
I think the Rani is a good guess, since she seems sinister at times. However, I also think it's too easy. My out-there theory given her nastiness to Cherry and dressing like many of the Doctor's companions would mean that she is someone who has access to the Doctor's past and has reason to want him to suffer, and nobody hates the Doctor more than the Doctor, therefore Mrs. Flood = the Valeyard. Making her female leans toward the Rani, but we know that Time Lords can change sexes since the revival, so it makes for a good misdirect. At first I thought she was Rassilon, but the companion cosplay leaned me more towards the Valeyard. Personally, I'd be happiest if I'm wrong and it's the Rani.
The Valeyard is a specific future incarnation of the Doctor though. So not someone who would go through multiple regenerations themselves.
@@CulturePhilter He was in the original series. If New Who has taught us anything, it's that the showrunners can and will do whatever they want. The Doctor now has an indeterminate amount of regenerations and is apparently the source of all regeneration. The Valeyard is the Doctor. Therefore, the Valeyard is the source of all regeneration.
@@lwnasidh good point about showrunners changing what we thought we knew. I guess it could be then.
Mrs Flood is the Great Intelligence
Maybe that’s what the Richard E Grant face was about in Rogue 😄
To me she sounds more like Great Intelligence, because of the Snow...and it will be in a christmas episode... but i also think she could totally be The Master.
There's been a running theme of fiction throughout this series, including breaking the fourth wall (beyond Mrs Flood, I recall the Doctor does so at the end of The Devil's Chord as well). The bogeyman, built by an AI out of children's stories, the knowing musical number in Devils Chord, the legends of "Mad Jack" in 73 Yards, the self-created reality of Dot and Bubble, the aliens playing at being in Bridgerton in Rogue (and Rogue himself is a role-player), even starting with goblins.
Are we sure that Ruby's mother at the end, the embodiment of an idea, is real and not some figment inserted into reality - Mrs Flood tells us the audience that there's a happy ending for Ruby, almost as if it's been made to be that way by something in-universe.
Take a look at the stories chosen for the Memory Tardis as well. Pyramids of Mars is obviosuly required watching to get the most of the finale. Two feature more mundane enemies - Cybermen in Earthshock, Sil in Vengeance on Varos, the rest are all mysterious and/or supernatural. Omega, Sutekh, The Mind Robber (Domain of Fiction? Feels resonant...), Fenric. With The Monk straddling a middle ground - not a god, but still a Time Lord.
Some kind of god of fiction is a good way to go.
I think Ruby’s parentage is best left alone now though. What’s done is done and i think it will just annoy even more people going back on the “she’s an ordinary person” now.
I thought of Clara when she said 'clever boy '. Either a splinter of her in Doctor's timeline that lived to the old age, or the old Clara somehow transported from that Xmas episode, or the time travelling Clara who got in some scrapes and her youth got syphoned off and she cannot return to the minute of her death, as she's not looking the same etc.
“Clever boy” did make me think of her too but I wonder if it’s all part of another misdirection - along with the outfits. 🤔
Don't think she is a Time-Person, breaking the 4th wall, knowingly mocking the Doctor's companions throughout his lives, she knew Sutekh was coming etc. more likely an embodiment of another 'entity'...
Do you think the god of storytelling or something else?
@CulturePhilter it would certainly look like it's going down that route... someone like Anansi perhaps or something else. RTD like his misdirection and loves to generate speculation, conversation and mystery, it's not just being a fan of Doctor Who, it's the wonder of being human and connecting to others you have never met.
But, keeping it, Celtic - you have Ceridwen... the godess of rebirth, transformation, and inspiration (a bit of a poetry, too) but could be way off the beaten track.
And of course - Mnemosyne, who was the God of Memories but also has been known to be the godess of storytelling... but its good to speculate... 🤔
@@Marwolaeth_Miniatures ooo yeah Celtic would make sense with all the shows Welsh connections.
@CulturePhilter also, she asks Cherry about praying to her God.... "tell your maker, I will come to storm down his gates of gold and seize his kingdom in my true name" so, perhaps a Demi-god? Gabriel or even Lucifer?
I think shes either the rani romana or hecuba but i think more likely to be hecuba who is god of time or aged river song from alternate reality. I dont think her breaking forth wall isnt any importance i hope they dont keep using that.
I think shes always been watching the doctor
I hadn’t heard of Hecuba until relatively recently. Will have to find out more about her.
Mme de Pompadour? “Apres moi la deluge”
God I hope not. That would somewhat spoil the ending of that story.
Disappointing we did not find out who Mrs. Flood was in the season finale. I do not believe she is River Song. Makes no sense because River Song gave up all her Regenerations to save The Doctor when she poisoned him with poisonous lipstick 💄 by doing that she cannot regenerate again and she will forever be Alex Kingston and she is now a data ghost and lives on in the library mainframe computer.
I quite like when story arcs carry over multiple seasons so wasn’t too fussed we didn’t find out her deal yet.
I'm waiting for den to serve her divorce papers at Christmas
Merry Christmas Ange!
Ironically, my initial prediction for who she was was pretty much the explanation that we got for Ruby’s mother, namely that she was just an ordinary human.
I thought that they were going to reveal that she had met The Doctor when she was younger during one of his adventures in the mid 20th century, but that he’d only gone on said adventure in the timeline where the goblins tried to take Ruby as a baby (hence why Mrs Flood doesn’t appear to recognise the TARDIS at the start of the episode, which takes place in the timeline where the goblins never tried to take Ruby in the first place), and that the plot of the finale would revolve around The Doctor having accidentally changed other aspects of his future by saving Ruby.
That could have been interesting.
I don't think Mrs Flood is a god, because if she was - Sutech probably couldn't destroy her that easily.
Thats true
Such plans... MASTER Plans... It's probably the most obvious thing.
I don’t think she’s The Master… I do think she was the hand that picked up the gold tooth containing the Master. Though.
remember gold tooth picked up copy the ring
her apperance similar to missy in i think dark water? mary poppins like
I think Mrs Flood is the hand that picked up the tooth rather than the Master Himself.
@@CulturePhilter i think it will be the same situation probably
Personally I always wondered what happened to Dodo, after WOTAN brain washed her she went off to recover virtually off screen, she would be the right kind of age, a teenager 60 yrs later. If she was never freed of WOTAN acting as a backup download who in the modern age could hack UNIT something not dissimler to The Wire and TVs or the Great Intelligence and the Internet. Hence her knowledge and personal experience of TARDIS, as for the appearing in an historic sense, with the UNIT time window, actual time travel isn't now strictly necessary, and as no identity of her own, adopts whatever costume has been most recently researched of the companions or is some Gestalt of them flipping between Good Side as emulate a companion and evil side, dominance of WOTAN.
Have you heard of the Doctor Who novel “Who Killed Kennedy” ? It’s quite an interesting read, it follows a journalist in the 70s who keeps looking into the Doctor’s adventures and Dodo turns up. I won’t spoil what happens to her in it but it’s quite interesting.
Could she be Time from Flux?
Knowing the Doctors fate and having knowledge of higher dimensions.
Hmm Time never got much of an explanation in that did it?
I'm thinking the character could be memory linked (your multi-companion idea may fit that in some way) as like you have also noted Mrs Flood has echoed many past characters, some of which have links with waiting.
I also do not think Sutekh was the one who waits mentioned by The Toymaker as they are both on the same side, so seems odd either would fear the other. The Toymaker ran from it. People ran from something in '73 Yards'. Plus Maestro was very unnerved by the music hidden in Ruby. memories can be hidden or repressed, forgotten etc.
There are other possibilities than the memory one I'm about to suggest, I still feel The Trickster's in the behind the scenes of the arc we've not yet seen (I got a vibe that the 'mum at the church' scene had that figure changing depending how timelines changed which is very much this series and interfering characters like The Trickster), I'm not 100% convinced Ruby is totally ordinary, too many questions like why the big ruby in Sutekh's head (if this is just misdirection then sorry RTD but it is also really bad writing as it's meaningless stuff just to mislead your audience), and why the hints of who her dad may be or the it's the Trickster false trail of the church scenes (would a young mother dropping off a child have that hood and I don't buy the pointing explanation which was also very Trickster?) etc etc. But then it seems team Who have both implied Ruby is ordinary and that her story isn't done yet.
But why memory? We've had the memory TARDIS, memory has been a big part of this arc (memory is time, time is memory, TARDIS it means life, The Doctor as bringer of death/life, the time window also therefore being a memory window and possibly a key part of how Sutekh returned although that's not a dead cert....) and some of the character links in her words and costumes have had that memory (and sometimes death/waiting) link such as Clara, so could even be a fusion of these 'memory' based characters a kind of human take on the physical memory TARDIS. Memory becomes song, becomes stories.
Could the way Sutekh got 'Susan Triad' everywhere to bring death also be foreshadowing this, a similar manifestation of a character which if I caught that correctly may have a link to the abilities of the TARDIS? 73 yards link also if its perception field has any role to play?
But would also be another way to explain her ambiguous are they good or evil vibes, if she is someone or something, maybe another god/ thinks of itself as a god entity, linked to memory, then it might remember the good and bad sides of any memories-of-living-entities it is the sum of, or perhaps as with some other gods/godlikes it does not do kind/unkind in quite the same specific way humans do. Or there's my two TARDISes good-bad yinyang style pondering so maybe....
The other key thing is the snow (the Romana-esque outfit was very snowy and it was again snowing in that scene) which has a lot of significance in Who lore and which links her both to Ruby's memory scenes and, cleverly so again disappointing if meaningless misdirect or coincidence, the snow of an old videotape (hmm, there was one that changed when time changed in TLORS) or... like you'd get on a TV. Stretching the idea even further The Giggle started with the first television broadcast and Stooky Bill, Bill is also William as is the first doctor actor-wise, The Toymaker manipulating a deck of cards which have Jacks: I played god and made him a Jack in the Box, a TV is also the box (I did say things were getting stretchy here!), both split TARDISes also have a juke box (very very thinly stretchy), the giggle musical soundwave was seen on a UNIT screen after the Toymaker's defeat but this could just be the for when we want to bring the character back clip setup... So Mad Jack/ Roger Ap Gwilliam maybe Ruby's grandfather or other relative from some hints. The snow and Ruby's music may just be down to Sutekh but that feels a bit 'but why', so maybe that's the best explanation we'll get, maybe there's more to it.
On The Rani that could also be a good fit as The Deca has links to The Toymaker's Toyroom (two of its members became part of that), The Rani, The Master and The Doctor (all had been members) and as you point out we know The Rani can impersonate Mel so a reunion of Mel and The Doctor could be quite useful for her... The Rani is arrogant and cruel by nature so was never going to make that cup of tea. However RTD has joke teased the return of The Rani knowing full well it wasn't in the past, even with a hand taking something that contains The Master, so unless he's now pulling a double bluff maybe we shouldn't fall for that twice upon a time :)
There is more to this puzzle though, even if Ruby IS ordinary (and like I say I'm not so sure) there's extraordinary stuff around her. The Toymaker: I made a jigsaw of your life The Whomakers: we made a jigsaw puzzle box of the show's history just to fry fans brains :)
....and as memory is time the entity could also be a time entity, many candidates in Who lore and mythology, including Hecuba
I think the gods are only “on the same side” in the sense that they all consider the Doctor an enemy. Doesn’t mean they like each other or wouldn’t fight each other as well.
As much as I loved the idea of the story arc of Ruby Sunday so far (there is more to come), I do believe RTD dropped the ball on the season finale. It suffered from too many glossed over details, plot holes and poor writing. HOWEVER... People are still missing some very subtle clues throughout the series which sets up for Series 2. This doesn't involve Susan Triad directly, but does have some correlation to the theme.
Let me explain the background before my theory here: Throughout the series, we have been presented with Mysticism, Gods, The Rule Of Three (A Triad.. Also Witchcraft), The Universe, Family & humanity, Creation (Death, then Life). If we go back to Space Babies, we have had the miracle of "creation" and "birth" as in life, In Boom we have had the threat of "annihilation" and also the "resurrection" of Ruby after being shot. In The Devils Chord, we had Mysticism & Portent on an oncoming storm and trouble ahead.. including a god with a fear of what Ruby is (or is to become). In 73 Yards we had an alternative future where there was a threat to "humanity" from an antagonist and in Dot n Bubble, it was all consuming dread & death from being shut off from the "universe" in a bubble, but with someone watching over them.
The Legend Of Ruby Sunday pulled the majority of these themes together at a head. The Doctor's Pseudo Family in the form of UNIT, Ruby partially discovering her origins, mother and yet-to-be seen father. The existential threat of death, and resurrection & the mysticism of the Gods & Mrs Flood (yet to be fully disclosed).
My Theory:
Kate mentioned that Ruby's father was a wrong-un, (her yet-to-be-onscreen biological father) , "William Benjamin Garnett".
A Garnett is a semi-precious stone which is a deep red colour, and was originally classed as a type of Ruby in ancient times (not now however).
Throughout the series there have been a subtle theme of shades of red - "Ruby" & "Cherry" Sunday, Mrs Floods "Pink" Jumpers, "Gau-de-te" from the Heckler, "Gaudete Sunday" ("Third" Sunday in Advent which is marked with "Pink/Rose" Candles marking the rejoicing of a saviour), Mel dressed all in Red & with Red Hair, "Rose" Noble and of course "Ruby" Road.
In terms of Gemstones there are only "Three" that possess a very special quality, a Ruby, a Garnett & a Sapphire. These possess a feature called an *ASTERISM*, which is a bright star-like occlusion of the same name, when held up to the light with a brilliance like the stars in the night sky.
An ASTERISM is not only confined to Gemstones, but also the Cosmos and Gods of Mysticism (also in reference to ASTERIA the daughter of the God of Witchcraft, HECATE which also means Star in Greek Mythology). In cosmology an Asterism is an observed pattern of stars in the night sky as perceived from the ground and is represented by Three Asterisks "*" in a Triangle (Triad) in written form. In 73 Yards, Roger apGwilliam (Son Of William) for a moment when he first met Ruby, looked at her strangely as if he recognised her, but not from where/when, also the realisation when he ran off. There is a possibility that (as ApGwilliam is still a fixed point in time and will occur in the 2040s), he is her Brother (Son Of William). He could have been looking for Ruby, hence the DNA Database at the time of his reign as PM to track down the Mother, potentially being guided by someone in the future to do so through manipulation.
The circumstances of why wont be yet apparent, however if we look at Mrs Flood, she appeared Ethereal & Slightly Malevolant like a God at the end of the episode, standing on the roof against the backdrop of the night sky and heavens. If we go back to the ASTERISM and HECATE, she is a God of the Night Sky and the Heavens and is also a Three Fold Diety, having Three distinct personalities (*As seen with Mrs Flood throughout the series), she is also the guardian of Doors/Portals,Crossroads of time and is said to possess the keys to creation but not able to enter heaven (So would need to tear down the gates of Heaven to get in). Mrs Flood stands guard over the goings on in Minto Road and her front door, watching and waiting... She also mentioned to Cherry if she was religious and would tear down the gates of Heaven as she had such plans.
When it comes back to the ASTERISM, I think Mrs Flood is the Three Fold Diety, and works in Three's as she needs to bring Ruby, her father & brother together for something much bigger and potentially malevolent, so is guiding and manipulating them until she gets what she want's and the Doctor is a hinderance of sorts. Even more interestingly though the term ASTERISM is also an anagram for "IS MASTER". The Master has summoned Daemons/Evil Gods before namely "Azal", so it wouldnt be past him to try this again, hiding away.
It was Ruby's mother's step father Kate said was a wrong-un not Ruby's father, but still an interesting theory
Yes that’s what I was going to say. Wasn’t Ruby’s dad. Hopefully he’s nice.
I don’t know if this could play into your theory but apparently the Toymaker has a sister called Hecate in the expanded universe. A channel called TARDIS Talks has some recent videos on her as part of his theories for this season just gone
1:20 Susan was also a Time Lord.
True. She doesn’t feel right for Susan based on the last couple of episodes though.
To be pedantic, she is a Gallifreyan, but not necessarily a Time Lord, since Time Lord is a caste not a species.
@@markpostgate2551 true. But we don’t know she wasn’t one.
The reference "clever boy" would seem to point to Clara.
Or is that just classic RTD misdirection?
@@CulturePhilter
Could well be. 😁
I hope she isn't a previous companion, or anything to do with the Timelords. I think the outfits are red herrings.
My main theory, which I'm borrowing from someone else, is that she's a mystical storyteller. Maybe a goddess of stories, as god like beings are a thing and she talks about both Ruby's and the Doctor's story in that final scene.
Given his form this season I’m almost certain you’re right that the outfits are just in there to provoke us to make content like this 😄
I like the mystical storyteller idea best too. Would certainly explain the 4th wall breaking.
Oh I just had a thought. A thought about a snow globe and the Doctor trapped.
Did you see the Ruby rd Snowglobe that Millie Gibson apparently had, I think I saw someone repost the picture saying she posted it on her Instagram.
I still prefer to think she is Irs Wildthyme - Big Finish character - Time Lady most famous for 4th Wall Breaking. Although she probably is someone else.
Meddling monk,mark my words!!!
I’d love to see a new regeneration of the Monk on screen. In Big finish when the Monk regenerated into a woman she got referred to as the meddling Nun for a bit.
She's a Chronovore.
She could be.
Mrs Flood, Miss Sea, Missy...
Could also be Susan, but I'm not so sure about that one
I think she’s more likely to been the hand that picked up the gold tooth containing the Master than being the Master herself.
@@CulturePhiltertrue, though wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey
I think a White Guardian. Mrs Flood, biblical reference perhaps.
Maybe….
I’m thinking she might be Susan Foreman, and she uses the name Susan Twist!
What to further confuse the whole audience? 😄
@@CulturePhilter I don’t know about everyone else, but I’m plenty confused as it is!
Good video! Not as familiar with Classic Who but I like the idea of some other classic villains making their return like Toymaker and Sutekh did. I’m fine with any of these choices. I just don’t want her to be another Master.
Yes I’d like them to stay away from the big three for a while (Daleks, Cybermen, The Master) but wouldn’t mind some more less used returning villains.
Her mannerisms and vocab smack of Miissy.
But, surely a missydirection by RTD??
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Yeah after this season I’m not sure I really trust any clues he puts in 🤷♂️
There are my 10 favourite theories for who she is so far!
1. Susan Foreman
2. Romana
3. The Rani
4. River Song ( post-Forest of the Dead regeneration )
5. The Trickster
6. The Doctor's mother ( either the one from End of Time or the person who sent the Timless Child into the Portal to Gallifrey )
7. The Meddling Monk
8. The Valeyard
9. The Black/White Guardian
10. Jenny ( from The Doctor's Daughter )
4. Is interesting - I’ve also wondered before if River could get a new body post being in Library computer.
@@CulturePhilter I wrote a short story some time ago that would have allowed River to live again and it was fairly simple. It involved Rassilon (via the crack in space) in the Library. That said, I don't think it is River. It's too easy and obvious. RTD is not going for that this time around.
He's subverting fan expectations this time around (e.g. Ruby's mother was an ordinary person and not any of the fan theories) vs his first run through as show runner.
I had an interesting thought and I'm not sure if it fits or is just also random: The Valeyard.
@@IamJustJ. I’ve never been sure how I feel about the Valeyard. His existence is too vague in explanation for my liking… which is probably why Russell would love him, he loves vague stuff.
Prior to this she was on earth disguised as Angie Watts, running a boozer down the east end.
😄
I think she's Me from The Girl Who Lived, et al. she has a time machine. She lived with Clara who's the one who calls the Doctor "clever boy." If Clara's really, finally gone in her timeline, then I can see her wanting some revenge on the Doctor.
But she doesn’t age.
@@CulturePhilter If she's travelled long enough, perhaps she does.
My theory is either that The Corsair from The Doctor's wife or a completely new character - which I hope it is because the show doesn't have enough of them.
Oooo yeah the Corsair could be fun… I think there was a comic where they showed up.
Speculating on Floods identity identity is exciting! River Song, the Rani, Romana, or even Susan are all possibilities. Mrs. Flood's dark elements are intriguing, especially considering the doctors and also maybe Susan's timeless child lineage. Could she be a descendant or relative twisted by time?
Are you hoping for returning character or a brand new one?
@@CulturePhilter Honestly I am along for what ever RTD has in store for us. While I love the old nostalgia. It seems a bit unfair to our new worldwide audience to keep bringing back old characters. Some people are happy with a quick update, but new die hard Whovians (if anything like I was a few years ago) will have an obsessive need to know it all. When the timeless child was first approaching I was all over anything related to the start of Galfifey expecially Omega, Rassilon and the other.
@@CulturePhilter I had another thought and this might play into something that was sort of touched on in the finale: What if it is one of his kids that he hasn't had yet (from his perspective)? Timelords often do things in the wrong order. We know Susan is his grand daughter, but we don't know who his child was that had Susan. At least, not yet.
I don't know that any of us have the right answer as yet. At least, not deliberately. It is said a broken clock is right twice a day - not by design, but by sheer circumstances. Still, it's an interesting idea.
@@IamJustJ. possibly. I hated that line about him not having had kids yet though.
Gerald FLOOD voiced Kamelion, the shape shifting robot “henchman”(?) of the Master … and wasn’t it a woman’s hand that grabbed that gold tooth? That’s my desert-island theory as to her identity.
The return of Kamelion WOULD be a deep reference for sure 😄
The Doctor's next companion most likely.
Do you mean that she’ll end up being the same character as Varada Sethru is playing? (The announced next companion) 🤔
I like the Storyteller idea, but there are a few other possibilities. I'm tossing out Romana, Susan and Clara as the Doctor parted ways on good terms with them, so I doubt any of them would smile at the prospect of him having a bad end. The Master was trapped in the Toy makers gold tooth, presumably whomever took it is trying to figure out a way to free him Unless UNIT has it locked up. I'M narrowing it down to two other possibilities.
1. The Rani. Like the Master, she does not like the Doctor messing with her experiments, plus there is a backstory yet to be told about why she wants to see the Doctor come to a bad end. The Master always stopped short of killing The Doctor because of his Memories of thier happier childhood days. We know the Rani was a classmate with them, but we don't know what her deeper problem with the Doctor is.
2. Rassalon. The once exaulted President of the Time Lord's before he seemingly went totally mad. Was last seen being sentenced to exile by The Doctor. We know he has a huge amount of Vitriol twords him, and may simply be waiting patiently for the right moment to strike. We also know that the Doctor hates him for what he did to The Master so a more Epic showdown could be in the works.
Yes Rassilon could be interesting. Given the last time we saw him (on tv at least) he was effectively banished from Gallifrey BY the Doctor
I think she is cosplaying Brian May!
Am I right in remembering that she’s married to him in real life?
Yep, and as such has the right to be called Lady May.
We know how fond RTD is of apropos names 😉
It's the Grey guardian
Is that something you’ve come up with or a character in expanded universe?
@CulturePhilter, it's just something I came up with lol, but she could be the toymakers sister, the queen of time
@@zachmegna7003 what’s your concept for Grey Guardian? What would their deal be?
@CulturePhilter the Grey guardian would be both good and bad
You missed my favourite...Meddling Monk. If we are resuscitating the Toymaker and Sutekh, makes sense that the Meddling Monk comes back. The Rani has been off the cards for years cos BBC/Bad Wolf don't have rights to the character. Might be misdirection, but I'd be surprised if it's that obvious.
Meddling monk would be cool. Always liked the character.
They might have resolved the rights issues with the Rani
my 2 bits white or black guardian
Do you have a preference?
She's The Rani
It would be great to have another time-lord character return like that.
All good theories! I keep thinking her name has been chosen carefully. "Flood" could be that devastation, it could be a relative / descendent of the Ponds, or perhaps it's part of her companion cosplay relating to River. But I think there are Rani vibes alright, and RTD has been in a deep nostalgia hole!
P.S. Any plans for the yawning chasm til Xmas? Some classic serial reviews? More canon catch-up from expanded universe? x
The problem for me with theories of The Master, the Rani, Romana, River etc is why would any of them be able to break the fourth wall as much as Mrs Flood does?
Working on a canon catch up now covering some of the first 15th doc comics and first 4 eps. Should have been out at beginning of month but behind on editing.
I’ll keep those up roughly once a month as long as there are new 15th doc stories to cover.
Will have other videos out as well in gaps. Got a few ideas for rankings etc…
True. I’m favouring the brand new god/ mystical character at the moment. Perhaps the god of storytelling
I would Like to See her as Romana
It Wouk be great to have a Romana return. Would you prefer her with her Expanded universe backstory of having been the president of Gallifrey at one point or just pick up from where she was in E-space?
Hopefully she doesnt marry Richard Dawkins
@@Reprodestruxion 😄
I think it is too open to know.
There have been too many Sci-Fi plots based around mystery boxes and mystery characters. It’s almost 20 years since the Bad Wolf reveal.
The whole trope is very tired and I really wish makers of Sci-Fi and fantasy shows would stop falling back on it.
The pay off is almost guaranteed to be a disappointment.
But here we go… she’s a Timelord who has become a wrong-un. Romana gone evil. She returns from E-space and sees the Daleks and Timelords are gone and thinks “oh I’m going to be Top Dog”.
And she’ll try to seduce the Dr into becoming king to her queen. And he’ll refuse because he’s The Doctor.
Maybe or not.
Yeah I do wish they’d do a story arc that wasn’t built around mystery. Shows used to do that all the time in 90s but then Lost happened and now everything has to be a mystery
The Valyard
If we DO see the valeyard I’m half expecting him to be played by Richard E Grant after that Rouge Easter egg.
Iris Wildthyme
Now if they were going to have iris I’d really want them to commit fully and have Katy Manning play her 😄
Could be an Eternal.
Could be.
I'm having some trouble digesting whether she's the Rani or not. I don't know why she's called "Flood"... the episodes related to floods seem unrelated to the Rani. Maybe it's related to "rain", who knows? She also has a certain presence that exudes a neutral evil type of character, she has plans, she doesn't seem as powerful as Sutekh but clearly knows the Doctor and his future, and she breaks the fourth wall. One thing that is closer to the Rani is how she treated humans as lesser and how companions were used to fool the Doctor (akin to what happened in Time and the Rani). To be honest, it's the only character that really comes to mind, all the rest are either too powerful or too nice. But she doesn't have that iconic Rani appearance... then again, that could be a regeneration thing.
It could be this "Boss" character because it's clearly different from the One Who Waits and she fits the profile. And I don't know if she relishes the fact that the Doctor's story is a grim one or if she's just being deceiving. The Rani would be a bit more straightforward. I don't think she could be an Eternal and there are no other Time Lords that come to mind, unless they changed gender... I also don't think she could be the Master. The companion thing is what's throwing me off, but I think it's an attempt at mockery. Also, those companions you mentioned have very little in common: Clara survived on her last moment, Romana stayed in E-Space until she got out and became Lady President, Ryan kept doing his thing with Graham and Rory stayed with Amy in the past after the angel incident. And I'm sure it's not the villains either, but she knows all those companions... what I can tell you is that it's weird. Could be a more obscure character from other media... but why so much restraint in teasing the character? Mrs. Flood simply makes no sense...
I think a new character is most likely with lots of red herrings to make us speculate about returning ones.
@@CulturePhilter yeah, I think so too. Until we get more information, the Rani link feels a little too soon to mark as definitive.
I'm starting to think more and more that she is Clara.
Oooo how come?
"You clever boy".
Clara is locked between one moment and the next. She can't age. She might be a previously unseen version of Clara. But I doubt it.
Another option is a character/machine from the 2nd doctor. The Master Mind from The Mind Robber that could take over a persons mind and have them create a Land of Fiction. This computer was destroyed but maybe it was dowloaded into the Tardis when the Tardis got put back together during the last episode of The Mind Robber and then was activated when the Tardis got split into two or when the memory tardis was created. Could Mrs Flood be the new controlled narrator? The master mind wanted the doctor before because he could be used infinitely because of him being a time lord. You now also have the memory tardis where all those stories are being told by the companions feeding the master mind and now it also knows the Doctor is timeless. Just an out there theory but also since the Mind Robber was highlighted in Tales of the Tardis and a villian or character has appeared or been mentioned from each of the early Doctor's other then the 2nd Doctor. Celestrial toymaker and Susan from 1st Doctor, unit and brigadier from 3rd doctor, Sutekh from 4th doctor. Again a wild theory.
If she is some kind of storyteller then tying it into the land of fiction could be interesting
Could Mrs. Flood be a projection of the Tardis in human form? Hence, would have access to the looks of all of the companions similar to how she changes the look of the control room with each Doctor.
I had a previous theory video about Susan Twist being a human form TARDIS that obviously didn’t turn out to be the case but I do still like the idea of Human Form TARDIS showing up. 🙂
@@CulturePhilter Hmm. I don't think it's a human form of the Doctor's TARDIS. After all, in her Idris body, she did say, "I'll always remember this as the time we talked." It fairly evenly implies that she doesn't get to take that form again. (But, you never know, show runners like to toss continuity out the window when they want.)
@@IamJustJ. yes I agree a different TARDIS could be more interesting. Perhaps it’s the one she used to trick all the Daleks into and blew up in Jodie’s era. It survived by moving its consciousness into a human and is now out for revenge for blowing her up 😆
@@CulturePhilter I really don't think it's a human form TARDIS. It doesn't really fit the run of the show in either RTD era. The only person that I have ever seen successfully animate an object into a personality is Neil Gaiman (both in comics and in The Doctor's Wife - with Idris).
@@IamJustJ. ahhh sorry I misread your previous message. I thought you said you think it IS a human TARDIS.
I think the concept could work.
The doctor has split himself into two people lots of times and changed gender. So she could be the doctor.
I guess she could. I hope not though. That idea feels a little tired so soon after bigeneration and the fugitive Doctor.