Is This The Worst Doctor Who Finale?
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2022
- Name of the Doctor isn't good and here's why.
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I hear your cries at your disdain at only reviewing Doctor Who. Clearly this is a call for FaolanCortez to get you to review more ponies!
Y'know, you're a fun guy to listen to & there's nothing you do with this specific topic that won't translate... just saying, if you feel like trying something else, have at it, my man.
Let's he honest. The timeless child will always be the worst
Don't jinx it
No.
Couldn’t put it better myself, lets just hope they don’t make the master the doctor’s brother next time.
I think the Battle of Ranskoovalonsapy is the worst
@@kryten1016 oh please don't say that 💀
Wow, I had no idea Moffat was actually considering pulling an "It was all a dream" on one of the biggest TV series in human history. I'm so glad that idea got shut down.
I would’ve retconned Moffat.
Moffat's never happy unless he's desperately trying to outsmart the material he's working with
Chibnuts should've done that trick.
@@cdle007 Chibnuts😂
now if only someone had done the same with the timeless child...
I really liked River being in this one. The Doctor ignoring her until the very end was interesting, and I thought the idea of her consciousness finally passing on because she made peace with a version of him who knew her just as well as she knew him was a very cathartic final end for her.
The way Moffat chose to end Clara's "Impossible Girl" arc in this episode is about the one thing that is actually well done within it. Clara is one of my favorite companions of the modern era and she really gets unfairly hated over people misinterpreting Moffat's intent with her character.
I also like that he technically pulls a bit of a "gotcha" at the end of the episode regarding the episode's title not really being about his *true name* and more about what the name "The Doctor" represents in and of itself. By having Eleven explain to Clara that his real name isn't the important thing about him -- that he *chose* the name "The Doctor" and what the War Doctor did was "Not in the Name of the Doctor" (hence the actual reason for the episode's title).
Nailed it
Utter facts
I always felt like this should have been a two-parter, with the first episode ending when Clara enters the time stream and the second exploring her echoes’ adventures. But it seems like the production team thought it was too much work to find episodes she could fit into, especially since they use the same montage twice
It could have been longer, yes. But I don't think it could add much to the story.
Might be a good concept if they ever want to have her return (with a Clara who doesn't know the Doctor, or a Doctor that hadn't met Clara). She'd make an interesting companion(s) for a multi-Doctor story
Doctor Who tends to do its finales best when it’s a two parter (Except for the Timeless child two parter)
Honestly, dying in a battlefield surrounded forever by the graves of those he Failed to Save feels very Doctor to me. He usually can’t help but meddle when he sees innocent lives (and even guilty ones) he can try to save. So to die fighting on a massive battlefield in defence of people he might not even have known personally or ever met feels like the inevitable conclusion for him. Either he dies in War protecting, or trying to protect, lives who can go on to change the universe in unimaginable ways, or he ultimately becomes the Master of War. An ageless god filled with anger and despair, now being a Harbinger of ill instead of the Doctor who cures it. Like the joker said, either you die the Hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the Villain. And he’s lived a very long life full of pain and regret, even one time being the genocide of his own people to end the madness before it finally got completely uncontainable. I feel like inevitably he would die fighting some foe to protect the innocents, rather than continue on and slowly become darker from the death he’s lived through and the death he has caused.
If you think about it, sacrificing himself to save people he barely knows is exactly how the Twelfth Doctor died. Kind of. Hell, every Doctor in the revival series so far has regenerated through an act of self sacrifice. Nine absorbed the power of the time vortex to save Rose, Ten got bombarded by a lethal dose of radiation to save Wilfred, Eleven spent literal centuries defending the people of Trenzalore, and Twelve fought an army of Cybermen by himself to give people time to escape
Maybe for Angel, but no the Doctor.
@@mayotango1317 ???? Who is Angel?
@@astra3310 From Buffy. The show that RTD copy a lot.
@@mayotango1317 ok. But I’m talking about Doctor Who not Buffy so it’s an unrelated comparison
HarboWholmes if your feeling burnt out from doctor who take some time off and explore other content you like and maybe come back to it when your feeling more refreshed and enthusiastic about the series, we all love your reviews and thoughts on each episode and it’s nice to see such care and love for the series that has been declining in quality and popularity since 2014..
Keep up the good work but not at the expense of your mental health!
I feel the same, just couldn’t put it into words. Please take care of yourself Harbo
Editing videos and talking into a mic for a living is not burn out worthy 😂 try working 50 hours a week and getting only Saturday to rest. Lazy ass kids
this
I loved Jenny’s “death” in the dream meeting thing, stuck with me for years and I still think it’s pretty chilling with Jenny’s actress’ delivery and the build in tension
It’s by no means a masterpiece of a finale, but’s it’s definitely by a country mile a better one than Battle Of Ranskor Av Kolos
Clara’s fear of being/feeling lost was a thing all of series 7 when she appeared. It was something her echoes expressed as well.
"The Doctor starts making out with thin air, making this the most relatable moment for any Doctor Who fan"
Not even a Dalek can match Harbo's savagery
I feel like Clara could have died in this episode. It would have been a satisfactory ending for her. I'm glad she stayed until season 9 because Season 8 Clara is the best, and Clara with 12 is iconic, but I wouldn't have minded if she did this knowing she would 100% die.
This is definitely an episode that feels like it was cobbled together last minute. Given the original idea for this finale I think we avoided a lot of ideas that were better off staying lost to time.
on the opposite it was planned for ages before.
atleast since series 4.
but id say it had been set up since atleast the late 60s.
Why?
Rassilon, OMEGA (do not confuse Omega with OMEGA), Rassilons tomb; the OMEGA arsenal. (Omega was ever only a tiny semissentient sliver of/from OMEGA (Rassilons pre timelord timemachine later his semisentient tomb and source for the OMEGA arsenal, Validium, Moment, Hand of OMEGA, Rassilons ascention device/new Key to time etc etc...
Someone said somewhere (may not be true) that Moffat had an entire series planned but Matt said he's not staying for another series so Moffat packed everything into a single episode
@@xGOKOPx yeah, it's why clara's introduction and series 7b as a whole are so weird. she was planned to have another season with eleven, otherwise they might as well have brought her in when they brought twelve in. now they have this weird space where for the home stretch of eleven's run they got rid of the companions that were basically a package deal with his era of doctor who, and instead had him introducing The Girl Who Was Special, who would go on to be mostly a capaldi companion anyway
The lack of a conclusion has to be linked to the fact that an injury stopped the planned filming of the Doctor carrying Clara out. From there, I imagine there would be a few lines about taking everyone home and then the episode would end.
I acutely like this story and I think this is a good finale to season 7. I remember when I first watched this story I was like If we are going to find out The Doctor's name what is the point of calling it Doctor Who. I think this is a great way to lead up to the 50th Anniversary special.
I always thought that it should have been River who went into the Doctor's timestream. It'd be a good explanation as to why she keeps on turning up everywhere in the Doctor's past.
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ yet Clara was around even less
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ i agree it wouldnt make sense, but the fact it took so long to meet her is an argument you could also make with clara
@@TheAstip she met some of the others in Big Finish, sometimes she uses a perception filter so he doesn't recognize her, sometimes he just ignores her and doesn't care about who she is.
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ 10th meet Clara 2 (50th special not counted here)
in fact he meet her in the same episode in the scenes right before he meet River.
CAL is Claras raven save.
They already have a good explanation. Clara was much better for going into the timestream.
The truce field was caused by the timelords from the crack, which is why it is not present in the destroyed Trenzalore graveyard
"His regenerations can't keep going forever."
Yeah, about that.
I understand the flaws of series 7b but it will always remain my second favourite series there’s just something about It I love every episode and the doctor and Clara
It's like a cosmic fairy tale
When I was a kid, I lost interest in Dr Who during Matt’s era because I thought it had become too whacky and childish. I’ve been rewatching the show lately, and I now hold 11 in higher regard - it’s just Series 6 that I find dreadful about this era 😂
I rather enjoyed this granted it continued Moffats inability to do a proper multipart episode. This felt like part 1 of the 50th and they set it up as such then when the 50th came around the events where all but ignored. This did set up Smiths finale pretty good though giving us glimpses of his future that we actually get to see in a few months instead of years later…
"Clara had always been shown as this kind of person, putting the needs of others above her own because she's so selfless."
Clara throws all the Tardis keys into a volcano because she couldn’t accept that her boyfriend died, thereby dooming all of time and space by locking The Doctor out of his Tardis forever...
Or rather, she _would_ have, if The Doctor's sleep thingies were actually sleep thingies.
This was nowhere near as bad as timeless children.
Or any of the other Chibnall finales...
This episode is still stupid tho
Clara telling the Doctor which Tardis to steal doesn’t work even in the show’s canon because we already knew that the Tardis picked the Doctor in The Doctor’s Wife.
I’m sure they could have picked / made a different 1st Doctor clip really easily.
You could argue that the tardis influenced Clara to say that to him, since she technically wasn't there to begin with
I honestly thought Clara was going to be the TARDIS. Would have been cool to think she was always there.
I couldn't disagree more with this video. The Name Of The Doctor is one of my favourite Doctor Who finales. It's so dark and doom-laden, and the episode does a really great job at establishing the personal stakes for the Doctor. I also love the conclusion to the Impossible Girl mystery, as it explains Clara's previous appearances in such a clear and concise way, whilst also treating us to some fun clips of Clara encountering past incarnations.
"The Timeless Children" is infinitely worse than just about anything I've ever seen on TV. "The Name of the Doctor" is flawless by comparison.
The Timeless Child thing is one of the very few "canon" things in DW that I treat as non-canon. Same with the Eighth's winking (and ultimately abandoned) mention of "being half-human on my mother's side".
Because while I don't really care if an incarnation of the Doctor is played by a man or a lady (provided the actor or actress is doing a good job), I do care about the Doctor being in essence a very ordinary Gallifreyan. A very ordinary Time Lord who wasn't even all that great as a student at the Time Lord academy, or whatever they have... Even Moffat's showrunning era respected that, and doubled down on the Doc being nothing special. It was leaving Gallifrey, travelling the universe, undergoing character development over the many centuries, that made him (or in Jodie's case, her) the Doctor. I just find it far more relatable. This also extends to the Master/Missy, as the Doctor's old friend but ethical antithesis. The Master was nothing special either, it's what they made of themselves after becoming a Time Renegade. Same with the other Time Lords seen or mentioned wandering the universe, outside of Gallifrey.
It's just far more relatable and I dare say likable than either the Doctor or the Master or anyone being "the great and destined mega-ultra-origin-of-all-figure-of-the-universe". That just feels like someone writing an exceptionally bad, exceptionally self-indulgent fanfic. I like the Doctor and DW because the Doctor is in essence, a tramp, a bit of a happy-go-lucky, but wise "idiot", as the Twelfth referred to himself self-deprecatingly (but in a good-natured way). I don't want the Doctor to be the most amazing or important individual or hero in history. That's just... lame. An "idiot" in an old, past-its-prime, decommissioned time machine, running around the universe, trying to help, and sometimes messing up and learning a lesson in humility and fallibility, is just far more interesting and likable.
@@ZemplinTemplar Brilliantly put. I couldn't agree more.
When THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK came out in 1980, a TV film critic--yes, they had those back then!--in New York, where I was living at the time, said "I won't reveal the ending of this movie, except to say...it doesn't have one!" Well, I can see that; it was meant to end on a cliffhanger. You can kind of say the same thing about NAME OF THE DOCTOR...okay, it was kind of weak but it was intended to be the lead-in to DAY OF THE DOCTOR, so...But I agree: the Paternoster Gang (and River) have been rather overused, which means occasionally MISused (as here). Still gotta love Clara, though.
I don't remember a strong backlash to this episode. It was alright, I thought... I think your strong distaste for the paternoster gang may have heavily coloured your view of this series.
Edit: I do remember a VERY strong negative reaction specifically to the cgi with the past doctor inserts though. Some fans claimed they could, and then went on to demonstrate that they could, do far better.
The Whisper Men are just a slightly more expensive version of the Trickster....a villain that actually would've made WAY more sense for this time stream plot. A season of the Doctor's memories and power being weakened as the Trickster starts killing off pieces of his timeline would've been amazing! And turns out the clara's were on a single mission. Stop him.
The problem is that the Tricisler is a Sarah Jane villain.
@@mayotango1317 that shouldn’t be an issue, the Trickster’s brigade features in Torchwood and in Doctor Who (one of the only antagonists to feature in all three). I think the issue might be that the person who invented the Trickster (Gareth Roberts?) is no longer welcome as a part of the Whoniverse due to various accusations of sexual assault I think (I don’t know the details, it’s something like that). For some reason Doctor who seems to run this way; where Russel T Davies created the ood so needs to be involved or perhaps give permission in some way to use them. Perhaps no one wants to ask Gareth to use him? I might be talking rubbish but that’s how I understood it.
@@richardbourton4523 And why no use the Black Guardian?
Surely there was a better choice for a villain that represents both eras of Doctor Who than Great Intelligence, a villain Moffat only introduced like a few episodes earlier?
Obvious choices would be Cybermen or Daleks, but they're overused. But there's the Rassilon. The Nestene.
A team up between Skagra and Toclafane. Azal controlling Weeping Angels. The Silence revealed to be Faction Paradox. The Cheetah Men from Survival, who in the end decide to settle down on New Earth and become nurses. Trickster with an army of Chumblies. Brain of Morbius talking through Lady Cassandra's skin. Anything.
The Great Ingelligence is a classic who villain.
@@mayotango1317 Yeap. He only represents one era of the show.
@@HiperPivociarz The Time War represent the new series.
@@mayotango1317 Yes I know, but The Great Intelligence has nothing to do with the Time War.
@@HiperPivociarz But is the theme of the whole trilogy.
I like the group of the lizard, the woman she's married to, and the potato. I always enjoyed the episode more when they are part of it.
And I forgot to mention that I love river song. Why do u hate her? Really I'm asking can u make a video on why u don't like river plz
Sorry to be contrarian, but it's one of my favorite eps. Maybe because it does tidy up the Impossible Girl storyline and segues into the 50th Anniversary Special.
It's been one of my favorite finales for years personally.
Not a whole lot of this episode makes sense but I give it a pass mainly because the bleak atmosphere of the whole thing is some of the best atmospheric theming the show has ever done. Besides, little enough happens that there isn't really much to offend me
Your thoughts about the ending are exactly the same as mine, I was always disappointed that we never got a true conclusion to The Great Intelligence story
the faceless men kinda look like the production reused the tricksters face mask from the Sarah Jane adventures
It’s a lot different to the trickster. Definitely not the same. The tricksters face is far more sinister
I do love the concept of the Paternoster Gang. If Strax had been portrayed a little more seriously, then it would've been great!
It occurs to me, this episode feels like one of those webisode prequels for the Day of The Doctor, except a full length episode
Ugh the only part I like is rivers appearance but they put it in the wrong story in a weird clumsy way. Her character was so awesome it sucked watching her plot get dumb and all mystery disappear. I felt like I needed a send off and their little speech was tragic but then glossed over. As a side i HATED the ‘ex wife vs the new girlfriend’ dynamic, as a woman I read that as such a male writer trope.
"his regenerations cant keep going forever" and then the timeless children happened
aw it's sad you didn't talk about the cold open, i think it was a far more exciting sequence than after Clara jumped in
I always loved series 7 B, one of my favourite seasons, the patanosta gang is also one of my favourite group of characters and I loved this episode!
How the heck did Clara and the Doctor get back out of the Doctor's timeline? As far as I know, they are never shown coming back out through the nexus point they jumped through to get in, right?
They were going to film the Doctor carrying Clara out but an injury scuppered that plan.
So seeing any and Rory's graves mean he can't see them again, but the same season has the doctor seeing his grave but not having that mean he has to die. That's fun
Everything about this episode is terrific. Strax is hilarious as always, Jenny is always a delight and Madame Vastra is excellent. Clara's interaction with Dr. Song is priceless. The writing was perfect. This is a masterpiece of television.
This has always been a guilty pleasure for me. I know it's ultimately a dumpster fire, but the positive moments are just too good for me to resist, and many negatives are easy to ignore entirely.
And Strax always wants to throw strontium grenades!
Why is it a guilty pleasure? It’s a good episode and segued pretty good into the 50th anniversary, but if you go straight to season 8 after this episode, you’d be lost, which is why I always counted the specials as part of the seasons, kind of like how Netflix had The Day and Time of The Doctor as part of season 7
I think instead of making detailed plans for a series, Moffat had a really cool idea and got a bit carried away without thinking about it fully
I quite liked this episode tbh, though when I first watched it 2 years ago I was disappointed because I thought it would reveal the Doctor's name and it reminded me of HowToBasic's face reveal video haha
Harbo: All style, no substance.
Me: AH! He said it! He said the thing!
Clara pointing the Doctor to the TARDIS is some of the worst canon-disrespect bullshit in history. I used to hate Clara, though one thing that has changed with time is realizing she was better than Amy, but no matter how much I warm to her, that overblown sense of importance is just utterly ghoulish to me. Was always terrified what manhandling Moffat was going to do with canon in every episode.
"Strax is unfunny."
I don't often disagree with Harbo Wholmes, but when I do I disagree hard.
Honestly I like the 'Clara in the doctor timeline' idea but I wish she had stopped being a companion then and then, when we see her again we, as the audience, just knew who she was
This episode is great it leads directly into the 50th so it’s good
5:25 got a link for that? That sounds atrocious of that was the plan
Also Matt Smith can never do anything wrong and can make even the most trash piece of media that little bit better cus he is such an exceptional actor (looking at you Morbius)
Sadly, Jodie Whittaker never save a episode.
@@mayotango1317 This isn't about Jodie and the Chibnall era has many faults but Jodie is not one of them. She has sadly been dragged down by a lot of other issues of the era but she herself is a great actress when she is working with good material.
@@lucypreece7581 No, is a crap actresss
@@lucypreece7581 didnt she say she hadn't done research on the doctor or doctor who?
@@ahamilton3435 Neither had Matt Smith and he was a relative newcomer when he took the role. you're point is?
But 'the name of the doctor' is crucial to Time of the Doctor. For the time lords to return the Doctor has to answer a simple question: 'Doctor who?'. Since the truth field is active, he can't lie and the time lords represented an existential threat to the universe so The Silence went back in time to kill him before he reached Trenzelore so silence shall fall.
The Name of the Doctor doesn't really feel like a finale. Probably because it was setting up things for the future rather than wrapping things up with the current series. The true finale of Series 7 I think is, "The Time of The Doctor". Just like the true finale of The Classic Season 21 is, "The Caves of Androzani" and I consider "The Twin Dilemma" as part of Season 22 even though it isn't.
I just hate Clara as a character so this episode just isn't compelling to me. It just feels like Moffat had to make her The Most Special Girl
The doctor seeing river could always be attributed to the fact that time lords have slight telepathic abilities to which are scarcely used… maybe his telepathy senses river song by faintly reading Clara’s mind subconsciously….
This is actually one of my favourite finales from new who and the second best one from moffets era
To be fair, we don't know if the grave on Trenzalore becomes The Doctor's final grave. After all, they're still alive. The TARDIS might just go to Trenzalore upon the death of The Doctor to close the loop.
Except he's the Timeless Child and he can't die. Ever, ever, ever.
Curse you Chibnall
When I first saw it, I actually thought it was a two parter, with the 50th anniversary being the second part. But nope, 50th anniversary starts off with Clara and the Doctor already back on Earth. No escape from Trenzalore.
There were much worse. Finales in general were particularly bad during RTD1. Last of the Time Lords, Journeys End really awful. It's not even the worst Moffat one. In what universe does The Husbands of River Song satisfy?
Last of the Time Lords? Okay sure, but Journey's End was literally the Avengers: Infinity War of the Davies era. Donna's memory wipe still hurts like hell.
It’s a decent finale.Packed like all Moffat ones but still good.
Apparently the “fixed point” of the Doctor’s death in series 6 wasn’t really a fixed point because it was artificially made by the rogue splinter group of the Silence.
That explains how the Doctor escaped. It wasn’t communicated very well.
I didn't know that people hated this episode. I honestly thought it was fun.
While I can accept the criticism for the of the Doctor trilogy, on Christmas 2013 they were the first three modern episodes I’d even seen, I love them
I never liked ending. Big secret he’d take to his grave is he ended the war…in a different body. That’s not really a secret; he wouldn’t shut up about how he ended the time war
The Whisper Men really look like The Trickster
Doctor Who podcast "Pull to Open" have a segment called "Where was the Clara splinter?"
Every episode has some point where Clara has helped out, even if its 'leaving a door unlocked'.
What should have happened was thst Clara stayed with the War Doctor because he constantly needs saving. And the Doctor throws something I'm his timestream for the War Doctor to return Clara to the present in the TARDIS
The Time War is Time Locked. Very easy explanation for why Clara's echoes couldn't access it.
My feelings on Strax, Badtra. And dear Jennie is the polar opposite of yours. I want to see more of them.
While I disliked Chibnall’s work more, I am far more critical of Moffat because I expect more of someone who is continually handed to keys to such expensive vehicles only to do donuts on the highway at 300 miles an hour and then get offended that people expected him to behave responsibly. This episode encapsulates some of his worst indulgences as a writer. He’s still a better writer, and that’s why I’m usually not mad, I’m just disappointed.
"Steven looks like we're missing a few pages from the script at the end. It just stops mid sentence."
"I hit my word count, what more do you people want from me!?"
It annoyed me that after all the exposition that jumping into the stream split one into however many pieces so one could never come out. The Doctor just goes in and gets her out with no explanation or even need to show that onscreen because .... reasons.
Very lazy, felt like he wrote himself into a corner and handwaived it away which rubbed me really wrong at the time.
I think it is slightly better if you never thought of it as a season finale to begin with. We all knew the 50th and Xmas specials were coming so I never thought for a second of Name as an ending or a conclusion. If I had, I probably would have had a problem with the ending of the episode more than I did. I liked this episode. It wasn't my favorite but I thought it was solid in it's own Moffatey way. The worst finale Moffat ever vomited out his keyboard was Dark Water/Death In Heaven. That deserves to be roasted way Way more. That ending was so infuriating that it took a true genius of ineptitude to top it for Failure with the Timeless Child.
Oh and the premise of Name of the Doctor, and maybe the whole season, is a rip-off of the Doctor Who book Alien Bodies, where the Doctor's body is on Dronid after and the parties involved in a different time war have all come to steal it for their own purposes.
Well, the whole Time War is a copy of that book.
@@mayotango1317 Yeah, Law Miles was ahead of his time. And a lot of authors hate him. Probably because he never read something someone else wrote he couldn't be brutally honest about. 😅
Honestly, I didn't mind Name of the Doctor. It was below average, sure, but I didn't mind it.
When this episode first came out the whispermen gave me nightmares -i was still just a kid when it came out so just saying them terrified me
Moffat’s finales are like trying to explain a dream - they makes less sense the further you get from them, they are weirdly complicated and ultimately nonsensical because you cannot figure out the logic of it all, and there are random people who turn up and disappear with seemingly no reason. He’s very good at one-offs and decent with arcs, but pulling that all together in a series finale? No.
with this trenzalore seemingly being so far in the future, i think it’s not crazy to assume the truth field has worn off, especially considering nobody lives there anymore. it’s just a graveyard now.
*Praying every episode that FaolanCortez requests for Discord writes Doctor who to return*
How is this the final if there are 2 more episodes in series 7?
The Timeless Children is a thing Harbo...
But yeah this is probably the worst between 2005 and 2018
"Until 2018"
bruh
No it’s not because it’s really not a finale
Like. It really doesn’t feel like a finale
In short, is this the worst finale ever? No, it, isn't. I can see there are some flaws to it, just like most any Dr. Who episodes, but those don't prevent me from enjoying this finale.
I can see why you disliked many aspects of this from the Paternoster gang, to the Whispermen to River Song, etc. For the most part I did enjoy these elements. I've always liked the Paternoster gang and how they play off each other so their inclusion didn't bother me as it did you; River may have been somewhat superfluous but I enjoyed her inclusion here all the same, especially at the end when her and the Doctor speak one final time; the Whispermen, I'm somewhat neutral towards them though they do look cool, but it's true they would have been more menacing if they had actually killed someone.
I am glad that you liked the conclusion to the Impossible Girl story arc and how it explains all the different versions of Clara throughout the Doctor's timeline. It's true that this doesn't make her any more important than any other companion as some critics have attested to before and puts her on par with Rose as the Bad Wolf or Donna as the Doctor Donna. It's her choice to go and try to save the various versions of the Doctor. She has no super powers and at various times has died in the process. It gives her agency yet doesn't make her the most important companion ever, she just happened to be the Doctor's companion at that time to be able to do this; any other comapnion in her place would have done the same thing. I just wish that we could have seen how she manged to save some of the past Doctors more, it would have made her sacrifices that much more powerful and believable and would have been interesting to see. Maybe they'll do it in Big Finish one day.
It's true that the episode doesn't exactly have an ending where it shows how the Doctor and Clara finally get out of his time stream or how they defeat the Great Intelligence. We're just left to wonder how it might have happened. It doesn't make me like the episode any less but it is a weakness the series tends to have where for time/ budget or other restraints, it can't quite finish what it started. Too bad, this would have made the episode even better and stronger as well instead of just being told "it just happened" offscreen. Yeah, that is a bit lazy.
The surprise of John Hurt as the War Doctor at the end was good and must have been a shock to those who first saw it when it aired in 2013, I already knew it was going to happen since I only started watching Doctor Who episodes last year and had seen clips online beforehand indicating the setup. I didn't realize though, until you described it here in this video, that the Doctor's grave is now not actually on Trenzalore due to the changes made in the Time of the Doctor and the 50th anniversary special. This was a possible future where the Doctor didn't succeed at stopping the war on Trenzalore and ending up dying in the process instead of receiving a new set of regenerations and defeating his enemies instead. I enjoyed learning that, Doctor Who can be so confusing much of the time and I certainly missed that change in his story.
Overall, I like this episode a lot, it could have been fleshed out more, but its stengths outweigh its weaknesses for me. I certainly wouldn't give it an "E" rating as you did, Probably I would give it a solid "B" instead like most of the episodes from 7B. Can't wait to see how you decide to grade the final two episodes of the Matt Smith era. Cheers!
I think there are worse episodes of Doctor Who, like Kerblam, The Shakespeare Code, Fear Her, The Beast Below, The Curse of the Black Spot, Let's Kill Hitler, The Angels Take Manhattan, Kill the Moon, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos, Orphan 55 (Although I love the concept but the execution was bad and it had too many characters), Fugitive of the Judoon (same as with Orphan 55), Once, Upon Time.
I think The Timeless Children takes the cake. However, the Of The Doctor Trilogy (Name, Day, Time) was the beginning of the end and was so broken. It really did lay the path for Chibs worst ideas. Retro active incarnations DO NOT WORK. Stop it you do that outside not on screen.
No because The Wedding of River Song, Death in Heaven, The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos, The Timeless Children and The Vanquishers exist.
This episode really does feel like a mess of ideas thrown together without enough attention to the logistics or even depth some of them need. I equally adore the scene Doctor hearing about Trenzalore, especially such an alien incarnation who's shown to not cry often, but it is such a frustrating mess of Moffat's worst tropes all at once. It's almost like a parody that takes itself seriously
My issues with this episode were:
The first few times I watched it I didn’t realise the size of the Tardis tombstone. I just thought it was a normal sized tardis door.
I think instead of Dr Simian going to the start of the time stream it should have been just that Clara jumped in just in time to stop him at the start of New Who.
I don’t feel like the name of the Doctor actually matters or is important, if you’re not calling The Doctor - The Doctor then what is the point in the story? Any other name just has no relevance.
I had never had a problem with the end not having an ending because the rest of the episode was just so boring and irrelevant
He was always refered to as Theta Sigma, so that's his currently cannon name.
@@nytesla_punk3327 who ?
@@iBusLondon the doctor. His name is Theta Sigma.
And there's absolutely _no_ reason for the location of your grave to be "The one place that a time traveller should never go!" - none at all.
The location of your _death_ maybe, but once you're dead, there's nothing timey wimey about your _grave_ , is there?
wedding of river song has always been worse but yeh this episode is a strong contender for worst finale, especially when it doesn’t even have an ending.
What about of The Timeless Children?
@@mayotango1317 sorry i meant up until that point. the timeless children and battle of ranskor av kolos are wayyyy worse.
I feel like the .......Of The Doctor episodes are hyped up so much but then super disappointing and anti climactic because like the titles make them sound so big and grand but then like they are not. Going off of that principle I am not looking forward to the Centenary special The Power Of The Doctor. It is very likely to be very disappointing. And with all the confusing information we have about the 60th special that is to follow after the Centenary ep I have no idea what will happen with the regeneration.
Chinball will ruin it.
I thought the dream call was dope tbh. Like what’s wrong with it again? I don’t see what is wrong with it.
When you break it down it's quite funny:
RTD killed all the Time Lords
Moffat introduced a previously unseen incarnation of the Doctor
Chibnall killed all the Time Lords AND introduced a previously unseen incarnation of the Doctor
Hopefully RTD can break this cycle and surprise us, although I'm gonna need more stakes than the 60th specials please.
My favourite part of this episode is the music that plays while Clara meets all the doctors
No, that would be “The Timeless Children”. Why was it called the Timeless Children and not the Timeless Child? Because no one was thinking when writing it.
Dr Who is still running, I had no idea.
Are you going to cover "The Five(ish) Doctor's Reboot" alongside the 50th Anniversary special?
It certainly raised some questions about 'Who' was under the cloth's, pretending to be Zygons.
Richard E Grant is (in his own words) “Lick the Mirror Handsome” and a great protagonist. 😁
Peepster Peev chasing Harbo around a medieval castle sounds like a more enjoyable time than River Song haunting you from beyond the opium call.