I'm glad we got the sarah jane adventures instead of a series about the doctor growing up at the academy on gallifrey! The sarah jane adventures remains so iconic for me, I loved growing up watching it! Thanks for this Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊
It kinda would be cool though. I always thought they should have a Time Lord Academy spinoff, I'm glad I'm not the only person who has ever thought of it. Maybe not with the Doctor, since it would probably retcon stuff without even noticing, but it could work with other characters.
@@sheersternfeld1914it is, because when he was mucking around with the master, time lord society had already started using regeneration. but when the doctor was found, she was found alone
Tom Baker coming back for the TV movie wouldn't have been the end of the world for canon, hopefully it would be explained similarly to how David Tennant returning was but it's a rocky way to try and bring Doctor Who back too much relying on the golden days. And I hope we get to see the Ruminant one day, even if it's in some alternate Unbound universe.
There was another spinoff series that only got a pilot and if I remember correctly, it was supposed to be a spinoff of the K9 spinoff of Dr. Who called K9 and company back in 1981.
A Doctor Who cartoon set in it's own unique continuity actually sounds pretty cool. If the late great Dwayne McDuffie was still with us, he would have been an Ideal show runner too! RIP
@@kevin10001That wouldn’t have been possible in the early 90’s, because during the time the Nelvana series was in development, Dwayne was either writing the 90’s Dethlok series for Marvel, or bringing Milestone comics into existence while writing Static and Icon. He didn’t become a DC animation writer until either the late 90’s or early Aughts. And he _certainly_ wasn’t living in either the UK or Canada.
Your writers need to pay more attention. #8 The Toclafane. How can you say that would've been a terrible idea, but just last year you said that was an awesome idea?? What a stupid mistake.
Wait, so in your "Awesome Ideas that nearly happened" video, you said the Toclofane would have been a great idea for Series 1 to take the Daleks' place, but in this video you say it would be a terrible idea to use them instead of Daleks?? Make up your damn mind 😂😂😂
At a Manopticon in the 1990's I got to ask Nick Courtney if he thought it would have been better drama in Battlefield if the Brigadier had died. To be fair, I prefaced the question with the words "Please don't take this the wrong way but..." He was very gracious and said that he wasn't taking it the wrong way and rather than answer the question directly he told the story of how during the Tom Baker era he had been asked if he wanted to do a story in which the Brigadier died? Apparently, he'd thought about it and decided that he didn't want to cut off any potential future work. It might have prevented the UNIT dating controversy if he had though!
The doctor creating a companion sounds like something he'd do, have you seen some of the crazy stuff the doctor's done throughout the big finish stuff, how dark he got during the 9th era and the novels/comics? it's very on brand. Rose Tyler: earth defense sounds good, it could show her version of torchwood hiring her and training her during the break between series 2 and 3, it would show she lived a nice life and her return would still be shocking, it would also explain how much of a badass she became.
yeah the shortening of the runtime is baffling to me though because of how modern production works the reducing of episode count makes sense, of course I would love to have MORE episodes but I know that isn't feasible but surely the episodes could be at MINIMUM 50 minutes like the Chibnall era if not longer, right?!
@@friendlyotaku9525 360-ish minutes of television is a LOT of time, but NOT for the 45-minute episode format the show has now. If we were to go back to the Classic structure of 5 serials a season in 4-6 20-minute parts, we could be doing so much more.
@@idle_speculationwell in Colin bakers run the serials were shorted for his first full season to 2 45 minutes episodes so the it’s not like the classic era hasn’t been 45 minute episodes itself
I actually think that Cow idea would’ve worked because didn’t Steven Taylor face the Toymaker before? Kinda harkens back to the old story and how powerful and personal of a villain he is.
This is USA calling... There's a Stateside rumor that, desperate to keep the pre-quil series Star Trek: Enterprise alive the writers/producers were going to have the 9th Doctor guest on the 5th Season permire. Of course this never materialized. Those of us who've been waiting for an official Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover with have to be satisfied with the underrated Next Generation/11th Doctor story "Assimilation2"...
I am sure I remember reading somewhere back in the day (in some magazine like Starburst or TV Zone) that there was some vague plan to have Sylvester McCoy show up in an early Next Gen episode as the Doctor... And yeah that Who/Trek cossover comic is pretty awesome.
Listen im not like a number 1 fan of Rose Tyler but seeing Rose Tyler Earth Defender here hurts cause like thats basically what big finish did with Rose Tyler Dimension Cannon which I think was done so well but i do get how if it was a show at the time it would've been a bit of a disservice to Martha
There's a Big Finish story, Lies in Ruins from the Legacy of Time box set where the Eighth Doctor creates a companion to keep him company. They met River and Benny. I found the concept quite sad for the Doctor 😕
idk - the idea of Tom Baker being in the Doctor Who movie is really intriguing to me. I mean, whether or not the Movie was canon was an open question for a long time.
I'm watching the "10 Awesome ideas" video from a year ago (you reference it at the end of this video) and I'm surprised that you said then that the Toclafane was a good idea for a villain but here you say it is a bad idea....
Since anything Mark Gatiss does with Dr Who has been middling at best and downright awful at worst, the thought of him a show runner is what I can best describe as "a lucky escape!" :)
Said just like a person who clearly hasn’t listened to Big Finish’s Spare Parts. Seriously, the best Doctor Who stuff Mark Gatiss has ever written have always been for tie-in media. I don’t know why, but this has always been the case.
Same. I would’ve loved it. But I also see why it was axed. It’s the same as the idea of a UNIT spinoff with Fourteen and Donna. It takes away from the main show
About the animated series: The reason the Dr. Who animated series was canceled was entirely because of the BBC's financial meddling. The BBC wanted 100% of toy profits everywhere except North America, where the BBC would allow Nelvana a 25% cut. Not great, but Nelvana was in cahoots with Tyco at the time, and Tyco was willing to fund 100% of the show's development costs (to the tune of $400,000 an episode) to get the North American toy license. So development went forwards, and that's where we get the few scripts and storyboards we do have. But when the BBC found out, they told Nelvana to drop Tyco and fund it out of pocket, without budging on the share of toy profits. When Nelvana balked at this, Nelvana was cut in favor of a British company that promised they could make it for ₤50,000 an episode (and who then promptly didn't). Series developers Ted Bastien and John de Klein did well for themselves; they went on to work on shows like Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, Gargoyles, Sam & Max, Redwall, The Magic School Bus, Extreme Ghostbusters, and Miraculous.
Honestly, I fail to see the difference between the Cybermen and the Toklafane (especially after Chibnall introduced the Cyber-drones). They're just a robotized human head in both cases. And they're used by the Master. Also, I remember the talks about the young Doctor spin-off! And I read somewhere back then that it was supposed to follow young Doctor and young Master being best friends and we wouldn't know which is which until towards the end of the show, making the loss of Doctor's best friend more devastating for us.
Okay, I thought the show sounded awful at first, but not knowing which is which for the whole season sounds genuinely awesome for a series. Back in 2005, it might not have worked, but all 3 showrunners have messed with the doctor's backstory so much at this point that a gallifrey spin-off wouldn't even be weird anymore
They have one small difference the cyber man are humans that have been stripped of all emotions and forced into been upgraded and I believe the Tolakfane haven't been stripped of there humanity they just are humans that ran out of options and maybe willingly except been converted.
@@alexanderrobertson9297 if you listen to the way the Toclafane talk, it seems to me that they have lost their humanity, but maybe through a different process? Cybermen get chipped with an emotional inhibitor when they are converted. Maybe the Toclafane just naturally went mad as they were experiencing the horrors at the end of the universe and doing whatever they could to survive...
Big Finish has kind of done what might have been Rose Tyler: Earth Defense. It's called the "Dimension Cannon Series." It deserves more recognition than it gets, and it's way better than DisneyWho. The Dimesion Cannon Series is Rose and her team (including her mother and father) jumping from universe to universe trying to find Jackie and Rose's Prime Universe and the Doctor before the TV episode "Journey's End." They even semi-subtly make fun of the Sliders parallels.
Honestly, a Rose Tyler Defender episode would've been interesting, as long as it came after season 4 instead, especially if the Meta-Crisis Doctor grew a new TARDIS from the piece The Doctor gave him in the deleted scene that Donna then instructed him how to quickly grow. THAT might've worked
@thiswillagenicely9702 that's kinda what I meant, namely that, but if it released after the season 4 finale had already been out. Guess I didn't word it quite right 😅
Controversial opinion but I don't hate that the brigadier was brought back as a Cyberman in fact I think it's a pretty heartwarming ending for the brigadier to get that salute he always wanted from the doctor I know it seems a bit insensitive but the last thing the brigadier did was save his daughter so I don't see it as insensitive see it as somewhat a happy ending
These bad ideas... we really need to step away from anyone with fanwank as their agenda. I want a series like 9 again but with all 1 parters, no daleks and nothing like eye crust as a monster.
Every time I see clips from Battlefield, I wonder if people notice that those knights on foot are wearing the helmets from Monty Python and the Holy Grail’s Knights of the Round Table song…
The only issue with the Toclafane as a main villain 🦹♂️ is that it is *REALLY* hard to imagine far future humans realistically. For one they should be monogender, without biological sex and mass produced in artificial wombs/non-human wombs and raised by nations without any parents. It is just more efficient. Plus, they would be almost completely 👽 in personality and beliefs, but randomly have a few things similar or even emphasised. They are beyond the writers' ✍️ skills. 😅
You know, it's funny that Davies rejected an idea that could've wrecked the mystery of the Doctor and yet wouldn't denounce the Timeless Child which did exactly that. Also, I seem to recall that you put the Toclafane (who back then weren't named that) being a replacement for the Daleks in Dalek as one of your awesome ideas that never came to light. And I think you once talked about the reveal that the Doctor had created Rose to be the perfect companion and thought it wasn't too bad as it offered another side to the Doctor. Alongside everything in Doctor Who that has been happening ever since Peter Capaldi left, one idea I don't like is the Spy Master being after Missy; not only does it wreck Missy's character development, but I rather like the thought of the Doctor and the Master meeting out of order. You once questioned why they didn't as they're both time travellers like River and the audios have done it with the Master, so why not have him meet out of order onscreen with the Doctor?
I like the idea of a spin off which is the 14th doctor in about 30 years time when he has lived his life with Donna and she dies. He forces a regeneration and comes out of retirement. His tardis is dead and he’s stuck on earth sort of like a 1 man torchwood, make it an 18 and a bit more gruesome it could be like x files meets torchwood meets rick and Morty. I’d cast somebody like tnia miller in the role.
Bad Ideea that actually happened letting STeven Moffet Run Doctor Who at the Same time that he ran Sherlock. It affected the quality of Doctor Who because the stories weren't as good as they could have been because Moffet was working on the more prestigous adaptation of Sherlock Holmes.
@@thebeardedmother1535 Nope. Maybe you should try rationalising* rather than doing misspelling. I’m an intelligent human being. That’s why I know I’m speaking the truth.
@@DrWhoFanJbuddy, could you stop arguing with everyone in existence? It's getting on everyone's nerves, and it's definitely not improving your mental health. Oh, and by the way, I'm pretty sure both spellings are correct. one of them is English and the other American, though I can't remember which is which.
Im starting to lose confidence it RTD. The ending of last season made on damn sense. A god killed with a magic bungee cord??? Why did it snow? Normal woman but pointing at a sign made no sense.
Turning The Doctor into a woman, The Timeless Children, The Doctor being lectured to about pronouns, Turning The Doctor into a gay black man......oh, wait.....
I can give you 10 Terrible Doctor Who ideas that did happen: - They introduced DEI hires for the sake of DEI hires - They made Davos walk - They insert woke rhetoric in everything they can - They gave the Doctor Who role to a woman who's never seen or liked Doctor Who - They race and gender swapped for woke reasons, they could have at least done spinoffs and left the actual Doctor Who main series alone - They hired people that have no idea how to write engaging dialogue or an interesting story - They copy/pasted half the formula from previous series instead of trying to come up with something original and still managed to pervert it and ruin it - They destroyed the core principles of the old Doctor Who - They target children in an attempt to brainwash them into believing the far-left ideology (by the writers' own self-admittance) - They don't care about the franchise that so many millions of people around the world once cared so deeply about, and purposefully ran it into the ground.
Why would the proto-Toclofane episode be provisionally called "Spears"? Surely, as they're perfectly round, 'Spheres' would make more sense. Unless that's what she meant and forgot that ph is pronounced as f for the most part.
@@SnowLily06 It's nothing to do with accents, it's simply correct pronunciation. Even so, Ellie's accent - almost RP - would definitely pronounce it 'sfears'.
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I can see your point, being Turkish I'm not well versed on RP (let alone speak it), but I definitely hear "spears", whereas the closed captions read correctly as "spheres"... Confusing.
Actually Bringing back Steven TAylor as a Cow seems pretty cool. They could have milked that one for all it's worth.
Hahahaha No that would have been terrible.
@@sarahclapp505 The idea that idea is a bad idea is full cow chips.
I still like 👍 it
Moo peter
@@andrewtempest2092 The idea itself is udderly Brilliant.
I'm glad we got the sarah jane adventures instead of a series about the doctor growing up at the academy on gallifrey! The sarah jane adventures remains so iconic for me, I loved growing up watching it! Thanks for this Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊
I kind of wish we got both the doctor growing up sounds so interesting
It kinda would be cool though.
I always thought they should have a Time Lord Academy spinoff, I'm glad I'm not the only person who has ever thought of it. Maybe not with the Doctor, since it would probably retcon stuff without even noticing, but it could work with other characters.
Well, if we had gotten a young Doctor story, we probably wouldn't have had that stupid Timeless Child nonsense.
@@MinimalistTheatre333 no, the Timeless Child is before that.
I'm pretty sure at least.
@@sheersternfeld1914it is, because when he was mucking around with the master, time lord society had already started using regeneration. but when the doctor was found, she was found alone
Naming a child after a road and pointing at a sign for nobody to see. Oh wait...
Ikr...pointless pointing at signs,with no point in the damn end... thanks alot there R.abid T.rans D.egenerate !!🤦♂️🤷♂️🤣✌️🍻
You forget. The Dr also said that it changed. It went from woman to some deformed from standard person figure when he flashes back to it.
Episode one you could see it coming.
@@tnlwithtrixiekat478let's be honest it just made no sense lol
Yes, we get it, you didn't like S40.
Plot Twist: Mrs. Flood *REALLY* is Meglos 😂😂😂
How about making The Doctor be the whole template for Timelord DNA and the origin for regeneration?
Ye, that should be retconned and was such a stupid idea in the first place
Tom Baker coming back for the TV movie wouldn't have been the end of the world for canon, hopefully it would be explained similarly to how David Tennant returning was but it's a rocky way to try and bring Doctor Who back too much relying on the golden days.
And I hope we get to see the Ruminant one day, even if it's in some alternate Unbound universe.
There was another spinoff series that only got a pilot and if I remember correctly, it was supposed to be a spinoff of the K9 spinoff of Dr. Who called K9 and company back in 1981.
"Give me all you got! There are no terrible ideas"
"Guess I was wrong, there are terrible ideas."
A Doctor Who cartoon set in it's own unique continuity actually sounds pretty cool. If the late great Dwayne McDuffie was still with us, he would have been an Ideal show runner too! RIP
It could be like the2 60’s movies that are based on the first dalek serial and the dalek invasion of earth that have nothing to do with the show
@@kevin10001That wouldn’t have been possible in the early 90’s, because during the time the Nelvana series was in development, Dwayne was either writing the 90’s Dethlok series for Marvel, or bringing Milestone comics into existence while writing Static and Icon. He didn’t become a DC animation writer until either the late 90’s or early Aughts. And he _certainly_ wasn’t living in either the UK or Canada.
Dr. Whooves: Let us save Equestria, Derpy!
Your writers need to pay more attention. #8 The Toclafane. How can you say that would've been a terrible idea, but just last year you said that was an awesome idea?? What a stupid mistake.
Was the Steven turning into a cow a reference to the famous 1st Doctor quote about “a space helmet for a cow”? If so I appreciate it Russell lol.
A space helmet for a cow will protect it from dinosaurs on a space ship.
"Rose Tyler Defense" would have made an interesting acronym for a show run by Russell T. Davies.
Defence*
@@DrWhoFanJ Verteidigung
@@DrWhoFanJ fencede*
Wait, so in your "Awesome Ideas that nearly happened" video, you said the Toclofane would have been a great idea for Series 1 to take the Daleks' place, but in this video you say it would be a terrible idea to use them instead of Daleks?? Make up your damn mind 😂😂😂
Maybe it was an awesome, terrible idea?
At a Manopticon in the 1990's I got to ask Nick Courtney if he thought it would have been better drama in Battlefield if the Brigadier had died. To be fair, I prefaced the question with the words "Please don't take this the wrong way but..." He was very gracious and said that he wasn't taking it the wrong way and rather than answer the question directly he told the story of how during the Tom Baker era he had been asked if he wanted to do a story in which the Brigadier died? Apparently, he'd thought about it and decided that he didn't want to cut off any potential future work. It might have prevented the UNIT dating controversy if he had though!
The doctor was always a crusader working for the time lords between doctors 3 through 6.
The doctor creating a companion sounds like something he'd do, have you seen some of the crazy stuff the doctor's done throughout the big finish stuff, how dark he got during the 9th era and the novels/comics? it's very on brand.
Rose Tyler: earth defense sounds good, it could show her version of torchwood hiring her and training her during the break between series 2 and 3, it would show she lived a nice life and her return would still be shocking, it would also explain how much of a badass she became.
Shortening the run time and the episode count. Oh wait...
*Silence appears
yeah the shortening of the runtime is baffling to me though because of how modern production works the reducing of episode count makes sense, of course I would love to have MORE episodes but I know that isn't feasible but surely the episodes could be at MINIMUM 50 minutes like the Chibnall era if not longer, right?!
@@friendlyotaku9525 360-ish minutes of television is a LOT of time, but NOT for the 45-minute episode format the show has now. If we were to go back to the Classic structure of 5 serials a season in 4-6 20-minute parts, we could be doing so much more.
@@idle_speculationwell in Colin bakers run the serials were shorted for his first full season to 2 45 minutes episodes so the it’s not like the classic era hasn’t been 45 minute episodes itself
Writing multiple comments that end in oh wait.
Oh wait…
Having Ricky September being a great companion. Getting offered a great job at unit and living a long, happy life. Oh, wait...
😭😭
vid: silly what ifs that got scrapped.
you: shoehorned complaining about irrelevant things.
we get it, you're salty.
@@RedCaio
Me: making some jokey comments about some controversial things
You: taking the comments seriously
Just having a bit of fun
Every doctor who character should live and survive and join UNIT and no one should die. That’s a good TV show.
I always thought a show about Rose and Human Doctor on Counter Earth would have been very interesting
The suggestion that Patrick Troughton's Doctor wear a turban and be in black face? Amblin spider Daleks?
The Paternoster Gang, Missy and River Song were terrible ideas. Yet they happened!
Junior Doctor Who set on Gallifrey with a CBBC budget would have looked SO bad
For me "Battlefield" is one of the best DRW stories. Along with "The Remembrance of the Daleks". But I was always a fan of #7.
I actually think that Cow idea would’ve worked because didn’t Steven Taylor face the Toymaker before?
Kinda harkens back to the old story and how powerful and personal of a villain he is.
Mick Jagger as Sharaz Jek
This is USA calling...
There's a Stateside rumor that, desperate to keep the pre-quil series Star Trek: Enterprise alive the writers/producers were going to have the 9th Doctor guest on the 5th Season permire. Of course this never materialized. Those of us who've been waiting for an official Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover with have to be satisfied with the underrated Next Generation/11th Doctor story "Assimilation2"...
It would be very cool but seeing Star Trek and Doctor Who collab would scar me for life as a fan of both.
“Pre-quil”
Wtf?! 😂😂😂
@@ruskiwaffle1991just wait. Prepare to be scarred! 😂😂😂
I am sure I remember reading somewhere back in the day (in some magazine like Starburst or TV Zone) that there was some vague plan to have Sylvester McCoy show up in an early Next Gen episode as the Doctor... And yeah that Who/Trek cossover comic is pretty awesome.
2005 doctor is the best doctor, I’m sorry but I love it so muchhh
Not having bad wolf being scattered around time for the return of Sutekh. Oh wait... Oh.wait... They didn't do that one.
Presumably, much like Sarah Jane replaced "The Young Doctor Adventures", Torchwood replaced "Rose Tyler Earth Defence"
4:15 so the baddie from the pirate planet then
This video made me both happy and sad some really cool ideas
Well, eventually Big Finish used Rose in The Dimension Cannon. It's all right, then...
Damn Steven Taylor in the Giggle would have been great! But not as a cow!
Listen im not like a number 1 fan of Rose Tyler but seeing Rose Tyler Earth Defender here hurts cause like thats basically what big finish did with Rose Tyler Dimension Cannon which I think was done so well but i do get how if it was a show at the time it would've been a bit of a disservice to Martha
Sad irony is that only a couple of these seem worse than what they've actually done lately.....
Rose to Martha is like Sarah to Leela, they have no competition.
There's a Big Finish story, Lies in Ruins from the Legacy of Time box set where the Eighth Doctor creates a companion to keep him company. They met River and Benny. I found the concept quite sad for the Doctor 😕
idk - the idea of Tom Baker being in the Doctor Who movie is really intriguing to me. I mean, whether or not the Movie was canon was an open question for a long time.
I'm watching the "10 Awesome ideas" video from a year ago (you reference it at the end of this video) and I'm surprised that you said then that the Toclafane was a good idea for a villain but here you say it is a bad idea....
bit confused as you put the toclafane in your "10 awesome ideas that nearly happened" video
change of heart in the last year?
I was wondering the same! Confusing
Still trying to imagine how Steven was a cow would've worked...
Wasn't Peter Davison the cow in the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe in Hitchhiker?
Tardises instead of spells and quiditch... That's clever 😁
Since anything Mark Gatiss does with Dr Who has been middling at best and downright awful at worst, the thought of him a show runner is what I can best describe as "a lucky escape!" :)
He also failed in his duty to ask Moffat "Is that really a good idea?" about the last couple of episodes of Sherlock...
Said just like a person who clearly hasn’t listened to Big Finish’s Spare Parts.
Seriously, the best Doctor Who stuff Mark Gatiss has ever written have always been for tie-in media. I don’t know why, but this has always been the case.
Robot of Sherwood is one of the best episodes of its series though
Listened to Rob Shearman at a con. Lovely man. IIRC He did claim some early dialogue survived into the series 3 finale.
Why was there never a spinoff for the Paternastor Gang?
They NEED to turn them into a sitcom!
no one could spell the name
I love the Billie piper idea
Same. I would’ve loved it. But I also see why it was axed. It’s the same as the idea of a UNIT spinoff with Fourteen and Donna. It takes away from the main show
Which Billie Piper idea? This list included two.
Ellie: FYI 26th August at 7pm Live from the Proms: An evening of Dr. Who music etc..
About the animated series: The reason the Dr. Who animated series was canceled was entirely because of the BBC's financial meddling. The BBC wanted 100% of toy profits everywhere except North America, where the BBC would allow Nelvana a 25% cut. Not great, but Nelvana was in cahoots with Tyco at the time, and Tyco was willing to fund 100% of the show's development costs (to the tune of $400,000 an episode) to get the North American toy license. So development went forwards, and that's where we get the few scripts and storyboards we do have. But when the BBC found out, they told Nelvana to drop Tyco and fund it out of pocket, without budging on the share of toy profits. When Nelvana balked at this, Nelvana was cut in favor of a British company that promised they could make it for ₤50,000 an episode (and who then promptly didn't).
Series developers Ted Bastien and John de Klein did well for themselves; they went on to work on shows like Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, Gargoyles, Sam & Max, Redwall, The Magic School Bus, Extreme Ghostbusters, and Miraculous.
did Moffat ever run back around to that lost time machine???
I bet that giant cow thing was a joke no way that's true 😂
“One of RTD’s worst ideas…” A Rose spinoff is far from his worst idea.
Honestly, I fail to see the difference between the Cybermen and the Toklafane (especially after Chibnall introduced the Cyber-drones).
They're just a robotized human head in both cases. And they're used by the Master.
Also, I remember the talks about the young Doctor spin-off! And I read somewhere back then that it was supposed to follow young Doctor and young Master being best friends and we wouldn't know which is which until towards the end of the show, making the loss of Doctor's best friend more devastating for us.
Okay, I thought the show sounded awful at first, but not knowing which is which for the whole season sounds genuinely awesome for a series. Back in 2005, it might not have worked, but all 3 showrunners have messed with the doctor's backstory so much at this point that a gallifrey spin-off wouldn't even be weird anymore
They have one small difference the cyber man are humans that have been stripped of all emotions and forced into been upgraded and I believe the Tolakfane haven't been stripped of there humanity they just are humans that ran out of options and maybe willingly except been converted.
@@alexanderrobertson9297 if you listen to the way the Toclafane talk, it seems to me that they have lost their humanity, but maybe through a different process? Cybermen get chipped with an emotional inhibitor when they are converted. Maybe the Toclafane just naturally went mad as they were experiencing the horrors at the end of the universe and doing whatever they could to survive...
Evil lady who is an alien lady - juwt like the first Martha episode in thr hospital
I can see Rob Paulsen or Joe Alaskey or Cam Clarke voicing the Doctor in the cartoon if it got off the ground
Big Finish has kind of done what might have been Rose Tyler: Earth Defense. It's called the "Dimension Cannon Series." It deserves more recognition than it gets, and it's way better than DisneyWho. The Dimesion Cannon Series is Rose and her team (including her mother and father) jumping from universe to universe trying to find Jackie and Rose's Prime Universe and the Doctor before the TV episode "Journey's End." They even semi-subtly make fun of the Sliders parallels.
Honestly, a Rose Tyler Defender episode would've been interesting, as long as it came after season 4 instead, especially if the Meta-Crisis Doctor grew a new TARDIS from the piece The Doctor gave him in the deleted scene that Donna then instructed him how to quickly grow.
THAT might've worked
I’m more down for a solo Rose Tyler show as a prequel for the series 4 finale
@thiswillagenicely9702 that's kinda what I meant, namely that, but if it released after the season 4 finale had already been out.
Guess I didn't word it quite right 😅
@@autumbreeze1129It definitely would’ve been after Season 4 given that Rose Tyler didn’t even appear until decades after then anyway!
Having a near perfect episode loved by all and then having the main character of the episode having a relationship with a pavement slab. Oh wait...
Venting my frustration by spamming random wannabe funny comments. Oh wait...
@BaronMartin hate when people do that. Oh, wait..
Would it kill you to put all your gripes in one comment?
@@Lord_No-brainer nope
@@harveyburton7 so then
Why didn’t you like
Do it
Controversial opinion but I don't hate that the brigadier was brought back as a Cyberman in fact I think it's a pretty heartwarming ending for the brigadier to get that salute he always wanted from the doctor I know it seems a bit insensitive but the last thing the brigadier did was save his daughter so I don't see it as insensitive see it as somewhat a happy ending
They could have had him go back to work for Unit, Even give him his hat and uniform.
These bad ideas... we really need to step away from anyone with fanwank as their agenda.
I want a series like 9 again but with all 1 parters, no daleks and nothing like eye crust as a monster.
I would've watched an 8 episode miniseries ab Rose but anymore than that would've been dreadful
Aaranovitch no accent every letter is equal aaronovitch. No stress on any part of the nane. I know you arent a bot but you can work on a name.
Every time I see clips from Battlefield, I wonder if people notice that those knights on foot are wearing the helmets from Monty Python and the Holy Grail’s Knights of the Round Table song…
Some sound interesting, some not
they were 100% right to not do a rose spin off, i would have watched the rose spin off instead of dr who the next
season
Can't possibly be as bad as what *did* happen.
PITY THE GELF
Never watched Dr. Who after Jon Pertwee, should have stopped then when it was on a high.
If Tom Baker came back for the TV movie, it could have become the first instance of "bi-generation" in the series.
They need a robot bird sidekick now!
0:50 this has lead to a conspiracy that they money for young doctor was used on Jonathan Baileys Leonardo
I love Tom Baker, but he has not aged well, I fear.
I want that giant cow story. That's perfect 70's Dr who.
I think "Victory of the Daleks" with Toclafanes instead would just been a gumball machine at that point :)
The only issue with the Toclafane as a main villain 🦹♂️ is that it is *REALLY* hard to imagine far future humans realistically.
For one they should be monogender, without biological sex and mass produced in artificial wombs/non-human wombs and raised by nations without any parents. It is just more efficient.
Plus, they would be almost completely 👽 in personality and beliefs, but randomly have a few things similar or even emphasised.
They are beyond the writers' ✍️ skills. 😅
A Brit mispronouncing Gatiss… Come on Ellie, you can do better than that! 🤨
I would love to see Peter Purvis back to Doctor Who in some form
All these ideas would have still been better then letting Steven Moffat loose as show runner.
You know, it's funny that Davies rejected an idea that could've wrecked the mystery of the Doctor and yet wouldn't denounce the Timeless Child which did exactly that. Also, I seem to recall that you put the Toclafane (who back then weren't named that) being a replacement for the Daleks in Dalek as one of your awesome ideas that never came to light. And I think you once talked about the reveal that the Doctor had created Rose to be the perfect companion and thought it wasn't too bad as it offered another side to the Doctor. Alongside everything in Doctor Who that has been happening ever since Peter Capaldi left, one idea I don't like is the Spy Master being after Missy; not only does it wreck Missy's character development, but I rather like the thought of the Doctor and the Master meeting out of order. You once questioned why they didn't as they're both time travellers like River and the audios have done it with the Master, so why not have him meet out of order onscreen with the Doctor?
TTC did nothing of the kind. There is nothing wrong with post-PC DW.
I like the idea of a spin off which is the 14th doctor in about 30 years time when he has lived his life with Donna and she dies. He forces a regeneration and comes out of retirement. His tardis is dead and he’s stuck on earth sort of like a 1 man torchwood, make it an 18 and a bit more gruesome it could be like x files meets torchwood meets rick and Morty. I’d cast somebody like tnia miller in the role.
Agent Mulder: Who is the Pickle Doctor, Agent Scully?
Scully: You found Rick and Morty in the X Files.
Bad Ideea that actually happened letting STeven Moffet Run Doctor Who at the Same time that he ran Sherlock. It affected the quality of Doctor Who because the stories weren't as good as they could have been because Moffet was working on the more prestigous adaptation of Sherlock Holmes.
I wish ncuti gatwa’s “doctor” (nurse what) was on this list 😂
I'm just glad Gareth Roberts wasn't allowed near Doctor Who again. He's garbage.
Young doctor who would have destroyed any mystery? Yeah they just left that to chibnall with the timeless child lol
the Doctor was going to be revealed to be Cinderella's godmother's ex-husband
Rose Tyler show would have been amazing. Fight me.
Everything after The Doctor Falls 2017 was a terrible idea that sadly happened.
Lol a cbbc story that would explore his childhood would ruin the mystery? Did you watch chibnall's shit show?
Nice!
To be frank I'm more bothered by the terrible ideas that actually occured during Chibnall's reign....
Of which there are zero.
@@DrWhoFanJ You're not related to him are you? It's the only way I can rationalize your comment 😉
@@thebeardedmother1535 Nope. Maybe you should try rationalising* rather than doing misspelling. I’m an intelligent human being. That’s why I know I’m speaking the truth.
@@DrWhoFanJ Sure. Have a good night digger.
@@DrWhoFanJbuddy, could you stop arguing with everyone in existence? It's getting on everyone's nerves, and it's definitely not improving your mental health.
Oh, and by the way, I'm pretty sure both spellings are correct. one of them is English and the other American, though I can't remember which is which.
i can think of one the new doctor who series on Disney plus its very bad and poorly writing
YOU got Tales of the Tardis. We yanks got NOTHING. Thanks once more for pouring salt on that wound.
And there are ideas that would have been cool at the time, but aged badly later on, like the intended J.K. Rowling episode.
Im starting to lose confidence it RTD. The ending of last season made on damn sense. A god killed with a magic bungee cord??? Why did it snow? Normal woman but pointing at a sign made no sense.
Wrong on so many levels it’s physically painful.
Left out the last 10 years.
Not at all. No part of them is even remotely relevant here.
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One of several forced top tens because they got nothing to talk about.
Turning The Doctor into a woman, The Timeless Children, The Doctor being lectured to about pronouns, Turning The Doctor into a gay black man......oh, wait.....
Did you know that they almost let Chibnall run the show? Good thing that that terrible idea never came about.
Said no-one with a brain ever.
I can give you 10 Terrible Doctor Who ideas that did happen:
- They introduced DEI hires for the sake of DEI hires
- They made Davos walk
- They insert woke rhetoric in everything they can
- They gave the Doctor Who role to a woman who's never seen or liked Doctor Who
- They race and gender swapped for woke reasons, they could have at least done spinoffs and left the actual Doctor Who main series alone
- They hired people that have no idea how to write engaging dialogue or an interesting story
- They copy/pasted half the formula from previous series instead of trying to come up with something original and still managed to pervert it and ruin it
- They destroyed the core principles of the old Doctor Who
- They target children in an attempt to brainwash them into believing the far-left ideology (by the writers' own self-admittance)
- They don't care about the franchise that so many millions of people around the world once cared so deeply about, and purposefully ran it into the ground.
Dude. Seriously? Grow up.
Why would the proto-Toclofane episode be provisionally called "Spears"? Surely, as they're perfectly round, 'Spheres' would make more sense. Unless that's what she meant and forgot that ph is pronounced as f for the most part.
Accents
@@SnowLily06 It's nothing to do with accents, it's simply correct pronunciation. Even so, Ellie's accent - almost RP - would definitely pronounce it 'sfears'.
I can see your point, being Turkish I'm not well versed on RP (let alone speak it), but I definitely hear "spears", whereas the closed captions read correctly as "spheres"... Confusing.
Unless it referred to the sharp projections on them, although they were ray guns rather than missiles.
Never mind.