Is Susan returning? | Doctor Who Theory
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- The Doctor's Granddaughter Susan, was mentioned by name for the first time in the show in the 21st century. Will she be returning on screen too?
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"There's always a twist at the end"... A Susan Twist
That Definitely felt like another nod
Thats wanted to say but couldnt have put as well as that
I wonder if the neighbour is susan
If she does come back they better write into episodes her falling over and injuring her ankle. It happened nearly every story in the originals
😄 or maybe the doctor can and she can joke about it making a change
When Ruby throws out numbers in Space Babies, she initially throws out "2150" before adding the 6. A reference to Dalek Invasion of Earth 2150?
Isn’t that the date from the Peter Cushing movies though?. In tv series it was a few years later in 2167.
@@CulturePhilterno they the Cushing movies took place in 2150
@@Ibalistic_hedge - yes, that’s what I was saying. It wasn’t that year in the TV show
@@CulturePhilter pretty sure it was 2150 in the tv show
@@Ibalistic_hedge - I admit I didn’t go back to the episode to check but TARDIS Wiki had the 2167 date.
I hope so! She's had some Big Finish outings, of course.
Yes, I’ve listened to most of not all of her stuff that is set after Daleks Invasion of Earth.
I remember the picture of Susan on the 12th doctor’s desk at the university and I’m sure were other references is well.
Yes, but not by name.
I brought up Chekhov’s Gun in the comments section of a review of “The Devil’s Chord” and people considered me to be a total idiot. Yours is the first video I’ve seen mentioning this possibility as well. On this point alone, you’ve earned my subscription.
Thank you. What was people’s issue with you mentioning Chekov’s gun? Had they just not heard of it before?
@@CulturePhilter They just thought I was foolish for thinking that because Susan was mentioned she would be coming back. That other people and things are mentioned in other episodes that we never see.
@@richardvinsen2385 well I guess we’ll find out within a month or so.
Fwiw CAF will be 84 years young this Sunday. Happy Birthday “Susan”. 🎂
She looks so good for her age.
Yes. I honestly think that is what is going on here - or one of the things at least. I mean, we have a character that could definitely be her, in the second episode she is directly mentioned and we have a repeated reference to "The one who waits" which seems like a reference to her waiting for the Doctor to return.
🤦♂️ I hadn’t even made connection to the one who waits reference. Of course!
@@CulturePhilter I could be wrong on that but it just feels like everything points to a red flashing neon sign saying "Susan".
@@CulturePhilter yeah I think Susan will be a villain due to how the Doctor abandoned her.
This theory intruiges me a lot as this would be an amazing end to season 1 or even the beginning of season 2.. I know RTD is clever enough to hire Susan Twist simply just because of her name.. I hope we are on to something with this but I fear they may let us down again...
Yep, feels like absolutely something he would do… once he’d checked she could act the part he wanted
I had this thought when everyone was talking about who misses flood was, but now I think it's susan twist.
Yes. To be honest it could be either of them… or none. Or maybe RUBY is Susan 😲
@@CulturePhilterI’d much prefer it to be Carol Ann Ford who comes back as Susan. It just feels more right that way in my opinion.
@@JEEEVANJOHN absolutely she should appear to. But I think we could have both original Susan AND a regenerated one (whoever that turns out to be)
@@CulturePhilterHow about this-Susan (CAF) regenerates into baby Ruby, and her TARDIS (ST) drops her off at the church to complete the circle?
Nah I think Susan twist is a villain in my opinion
I was under the impression that the broadcast audio episodes were canon. That would be the Sheridan Smith(Lucy?) era and include Carol Anne Ford. I struggle, in fact, to think how Night of the Doctor makes sense without them.
Doctor Who doesn’t really have an “official canon” even just the TV show contradicts itself. Big Finish is officially licensed, just like the books and comics, it’s up to us if we count it or not. I like to think that everything official counts and we just have. To head-canon the contradictions. The Time war is useful for that head-canoning.
@@CulturePhilter Yeah, it's all a bit of a jumble. Some take things way too seriously. My first DW media was the 1996 movie, and if I could tell, "Half-human, on my mother's side," was a joke, the fact that it still rattles fans is bizarre. And sometimes when it's strict canon, people think it's breaking. (*ahem* Timeless Child).
@@ChristyAbbey the Timeless child stuff didn’t even contradict anything, it just added some previously unknown stuff onto it.
@@CulturePhilter Oh, I was actually saing that. I've seen Brain of Morbius!
There’s absolutely no way that Susan gets specific screen time in the form of dialogue for no reason. I get the feeling if Susan Twist is playing a historical character she’s probably the meddling monk, or a surviving timelord after the masters genocide on Gallifrey. But the Susan name drop is really intriguing. RTD really knows how to hook us, he’s an expert fisherman!
Yeah, he also isn’t above the old bait and switch too (remember all the hints that Rose Tyler would die?) I really hope this isn’t one of those.
I'd rather they leave Susan be to be honest and be remembered for what she was but if she was to comeback it should be Carole Ann Ford.
Fair enough. I think it would be good to get Carole back one last time… and then Regenerate her.
my Susan is returning theory = Susan twist could be a villain = she could be😠after waiting for so long but she Let Ruby live during last week’s episode > the ambulance 👈! + first time Susan was mentioned by the doctor himself + the one who waits = waiting and waiting with David
Time will tell 🙂
I fear by the time it comes, no one will be left watching.
Nah. Millions still watching and that’s just in the UK.
At the end of episode 01, the doctor done a DNA scan of Ruby, now we dont know the result, so what if it show's Ruby has Time Lord DNA
Hmm who knows. He inevitably would have checked on the results when he got back in though so even if we don’t know… he should?
Lovely is the right word. Very lovely.
Yes she is
i hope Susan twist is a new Character or the meddling monk,and as to susan i hope she returns in the memory tardis briefly on a next episode or in season 2 with the revealation she is creating a new gallifrey ,and she is dying of old age and needs to regenerate like first doctor for example before her
Given we know the memory TARDIS is returning thanks to the Disney trailer this wouldn’t be a terrible idea.
I’ve always thought RTD’s comment ‘whatever happened to her’ was just a nod to the radio play ‘whatever happened to susan foreman’, but after the name drop in Devil’s Chord I’m convinced she’ll be back. Hopefully she’ll regenerate and become a river song type presence in the new series
It did make me think of that radio play too to be fair.
I think she might be play by suth Varda
@@nickfielding5685 that is a possibility.
I think you may well be right and yet i'd like to hope (in vain) that 'the one who waits' is reference to The Great Old One himself, Cthulhu.
As the old saying goes "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" which, of course, translates to "In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming."
I don't really expect this to be the case but I can dream too...
Can’t really say I’ve ever gotten into Call of Cthulhu myself.
if they *are* going to bring back (the character of ) Susan, then I would have Carol-Ann do a regeneration scene with whichever actor is going to take her place?
Yes, definitely want to see Carole back. I’d like her back for a full ep before regenerating ideally but if she herself didn’t feel up to that then just a regen scene would be fine.
Puzzling and timeless, and possibly true that Suan should have a footprint in these stories but when is this coming that is the question if it has not happened already amongst the stories. Time is the secret to this measure of time and relevance in a whisper of an unknowingly mysterious figures whomever have yet to appear or emerge from the Doctor's past, which Doctor's past is after all every doctor has a different story though and only some stories are connected collectively. Granted Granddaughter Susan has appeared once before and that was many years ago and one question is why never again well it is thought she vanished from time till the Time Wars and reunited with her family on Gallifrey to fight the Deleks and Davros and then it is believed she went back to the Earth's future to grow old gracefully and possibly died in the far future on the 37th century interestingly this is the century she and her grandfather originally came from in the original series of Doctor Who. So perhaps Susan's regeneration happens then and there and she ends up travelling back to the 1960s as well and looks different and has a new face gets a job at Abbey Road as a tea lady? She's always been there in different places in time and space ( Division ) timeline? Flood or Ruby's Gran?
Susan returned twice, The Five Doctors and (sadly canonically) Dimensions In Time.
I did forget about Dimensions in Time. Which is ironic as it was. Te first bit of Who I ever watched as it was premiering on TV
I think you forgot to include Susan Twist in 'Space Babies', wearing the blue Star Trek-like uniform.
Yes. I was rushing to finish the edit a bit and didn’t have time to find pictures of her latest two appearances (also the tea lady in Abby Road canteen)
Not sure if it will be Carol Ann Ford, might be an actress playing a young Susan as she looked in 1963.
I think it would be a huge missed opportunity not to get Carole back while they can. That’s not to say you can’t have BOTH a young, an old AND a regenerated version of her in the same story.
Probably. There's been too many refernces to Susan, Timelords, 4th wall breaks etc. to be purely coincidence
That’s what I’m thinking. Will be good to see her if she does return?
I think Susan Triad could be a red herring - not only for us, but the Doctor. Someone else posing as a regenerated Susan to take advantage of the Doctor
It could well be, that does also feel like a very RTD thing to do.
Susan Triad = The Three Susans?
Perhaps Flood is one incarnation, Twist another and Carol Ann Ford makes three?
It would certainly be novel to have Multi-Susan story rather than a Multi-Doctor one...
@@dameonwalker8994 I quite like that idea.
I think in the Rings of Akhaten 11 mentions going to Akhaten before with his granddaughter, but he doesn't name drop her.
Yes, I believe you are right.
Just like they did with the First Doctor, they could find a Susan look-alike to play Susan.
They could but while they have Carole Anne Ford why not just have her as an older Susan?
@@CulturePhilter True, but look at this way… They could have the older version in one time and the younger version in another time.
@@drewmonroe6782 true. They could. And a regenerated version in another (Susan triad? Mrs flood? a memory wiped Ruby?)
To the pantheon of eternals who script DW,
Please bring back the old companions while you still can. Susan, Jo Grant, Leela, Nyssa, Teagan, Vislor, Peri, Ace - even Adric - and all the rest. Do it now. Complete those story arcs while you can. Not all of them. Not all the time. But in the mix of new and old, remember that there are doors closing that cannot be reopened. We've had Ace and Mel and some years ago Sarah Jane Smith. Not to mention Rose and Donna Noble. It can be done without detracting from the currency of the show and be both a pleasure for old viewers and no distraction for new viewers. Of course The Doctor met many people in his years on earth, and got to know some quite well. Of course he might run into some from time to time. Yes, he's bad at good-byes. The bone structure is there. Just flesh it out.
Absolutely.
And while the Doctor didn’t see him, we as the audience got to briefly see Ian Chesterton in Power of the Doctor too.
I think Susan should be the priority for this this season but would love to see some more pop up over the coming years. Jo got a return in the Sarah Jane adventures and got to meet the 11th Doctor in that.
@@CulturePhilter I love that idea.
If they are bringing her back I defo want it to be the same actress
Yes I hope Carole returns too but I wouldn’t mind if she also regenerated into a new actor as part of that at the end of her episode
@@CulturePhilter Oh yes that's a good point then they can keep the character to live on. Do you think she is the one who waits?
@@isthisatitleforayoutubecha3035 she could well be. The Doctor did say he would be back so she could have been waiting for that all this time (if you discount the fact that he already went back as the 8th Doctor in Big Finish)
@@CulturePhilter I guess we'll find out soon but the Toy maker did address the one who waits as "He" but she could have perhaps already regenerated into a male.
In all fairness there was a leak ages ago that hinted of Susan’s return. So ig the dr will be going back to 2150 or in the future after 2150 soon in an episode. Maybe we will have a sequel to the Dalek invasion of earth.
Oh I must have missed that leak. When did that come out?
@@CulturePhilter like 2-3 years ago
Was also mentioned in the episode, where Matt Smith’s doctor took Clara to that space port where that little girl sang to the whatever and the doctor ended up, allowing the creature to feed off of him that was during the Stephen muffin muffin error
I think he mentioned that he had a granddaughter but he didn’t mention her name that time.
Claudia Grant, from an adventure in space and time, could play Susan
She could but I’d prefer we have an older Susan and get Carole Anne Ford back one last time.
Of course
Sure ❤
👍
I've actually thought of a theory that Varada Sethu could be the new Susan it's VERY unlikely but it's just a thought that I had
Oh, interesting. I wouldn’t hate it but I think I’d prefer her to a historical companion, from the 1950s (given set photos have her in 1950s clothes so far)
@@CulturePhilter yeah it just got me thinking because Ruby also seemed to be interested to meet Susan so I thought maybe if Susan is connected to Ruby in someway that brings the Doctor and Susan together and Varada Sethu joins the Tardis as a new incarnation, as I said it's very unlikely but I just found it odd that they had an entire conversation about her whereabouts not just a one of reference, it could just be that 15 is a lot more open so he's comfortable sharing this and that's what the conversation was about but it seemed to me like a setup for something
There's enough hints to say that she is. At this point, with the hints they've given, they're going to p*** off a lot of fans if they don't.
I hope it's Carole Ann Ford too, not someone else playing the role and her birthday is the 16th June. So the show will be airing the day before that on the 15th. An ideal opportunity. I kinda don't want her to be a Timelord/lady with regen abilities, it's never been fully and officially stated in the show itself.
Which if the speculation is true about The Devil's Chord being moved forward from June, maybe it was to make Susan's episode be in June? Not sure about that one but it's possible.
Oh see I DO want her to be able to regenerate. I want Carole back obviously but I like the idea of the character being able to carry on beyond her as well.
@@CulturePhilter That's fair and I can understand wanting her to be able to regen. I've always liked the idea that because she was so young she wouldn't have made it through the academy yet, so wouldn't be a Timelord and wouldn't have been granted regens yet. She was just a (half) Gallifreyan at that point.
Maybe we'll find out as RTD does like to mess around with regens.
Chekhov’s Susan
She is 83 years old now
Yes but seems very energetic still for her age.
11 mentioned taking his granddaughter to Akhaten but don’t think he said her name
Yes. A few scattered references to her and his family over the years but think this is the first name mention since 5 Doctors.
One interesting thing is this is the first time it's confirmed that Susan us rhe Doctor's biological granddaughter. Back in the classic days of no hanky panky in the tardis it was theorised that grandfather might have been a term of affection rather than their actual relationship.
That wasn’t really until the 80s though was it. The “no hanky panky in the TARDIS” was a JNT edict.
In the 60s itself, while she was on the show, she was clearly intended to be his actual granddaughter.
@CulturePhilter the ironic thing is, the reason she was made yhe Doctor's granddaughter was also for a no hanky panky reason as the writers thought an old man travelling with a teenage girl would look a bit suspect unless they were related. Apparently when Terrance Dicks was writing the 5 Doctor's JNT didn't want Susan to call the Doctor Grandfather as it suggested the Doctor must have had sex in the past but Terrance Dicks held firm on the matter.
@@matriculus2 yes I’d heard that story about JNT also that Carole Anne Ford insisted on set that she still refers to 1st Doc as Grandfather.
Checoves gun type thing
Yep.
Did anyone else notice "Chris Waites" on the billboard?
The one who Waites...
And in the same scene he was talking about Susan too.
Chris Waite and the Carollers was the band Susan was listening to on her transistor radio in the first episode of An Unearthly Child
I think ruby is Susan foreman's granddaughter. So the docs great granddaughter!!! 🤔🤔
If she were Susan’s GRANDdaughter then she’d be the Doctor’s Great GREAT grand daughter (2 greats)
@@CulturePhilterMy mother’s grandfather is my great grandfather. Her great grandfather is my great great grandfather.
@@richardvinsen2385 yes exactly. Susan is the doctor’s granddaughter so her child would be the doctors great granddaughter but the original poster here didn’t say Susan’s daughter she said Susan’s granddaughter. So that would be the Doctor’s Great Great Granddaughter.
@@CulturePhilter You’re right. I misread the original comment.
Its a good theory but I personally dont think it'll happen 😅
Won’t happen this way or don’t think she’ll return ever?
@@CulturePhilter Both I guess, I hope im wrong though! 😂
@@Blazing_Ninja - I think Carol would want to return. So I guess it’s down to Russell… what makes you think he wouldn’t want to?
@@CulturePhilter Idk actually lol 😅
She'd be nuts to come back to this Turdis.
I’m sure she’d be delighted to come back.
@@CulturePhilter
What a sellout she'd be.
@@SpideyVids why’s that then?
@@CulturePhilter
She would utterly destroy her legacy with this woke crap - but I can see there's no point talking to you because your a fanboy of woke garbage.
Why does the thumbnail claim that she’s coming back and then the video speculates about that she might come back?
You wouldn’t be using clickbait would you?
Did you not see the question mark in the thumbnail? It’s a question not a statement of fact.
🤷♂️
They should just rerun the original, it'll be a lot better than the crap now showing
The DVDs are there for you if you don’t like modern who. The rest of us will enjoy both 🙂
If i were them i wouldn't do this because its not fair to the actress because doctor who at the moment are what we call not interesting and to woke to watch
Oh look, it’s that meaningless “woke” word.
But she White, straight, and indigenous to Britain so ........
So?
@CulturePhilter so why does the bbc want her for ,she's not black
@@gavindouglas7020Shut up.
Dr Who is crap now
You’re kidding right? ‘Boom’ was amazing, absolutely top tier Doctor Who.
Good grief I hope not haven't these clowns destroyed enough of the classic series already can't they leave at least something of my childhood memories intact the last thing I want is to see a woke Susan in this latest piece of crap.
Well it’s all subjective. You are entitled to your opinion that modern who is f good and other long-term fans like myself will carry on enjoying it. 🤷♂️