first 'normal' episode? | Doctor Who S1 E6 'Rogue' REVIEW!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Was this the most standard type of Doctor Who adventure yet this season? Lets take birds, floating head and flirting.
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Couple of thoughts -
1. Could have Richard E Grant been the Great Intelligence that entered his timeline... maybe there is some residue and mingling?
2.With this episode I felt some strong feels to Family of Blood as well as The Empty Child.
3. I am a cryer by nature - I cry easily and often... so I feel it every time because this doctor cries as easily as I do so I really relate to this one. Ncuti is most likely going to become my favourite doctor since the restart (Tom Baker is my doctor) So I may finally have to have a my doctor of Classic, and a my doctor of New Who....
4. If the doctor is going to have a romance, I much prefer and in and out type character like River Song than the normal companion like Rose. Part of me really hopes that Rogue comes back but in and out like River Song, over the seasons and over multiple doctors...
5. I was expecting it to be Rose, and I was certain the earrings are what saved her - because battle mode was mentioned in the beginning and that seemed like a setup line to me.
6. Earlier I mentioned the The empty Child - And Rogue and The Doctor - were like Jack and the Doctor but flipped (The Doctor seemed more flirtier more Jack like where as Rogue seemed more damaged and broken and withdrawn just the way the Doctor was in the First season of New who.) And it was also the Doctor was off flirting with the offworlder (like Rose did)...
7. Back to the "floating heads" I was so happy to see Jo Martin with everyone going on how Ncuti is the first black doctor. This shows that Jo Martin is also there as a black doctor.
8. The DnD reference and not knowing cosplay - Maybe 3rd edition player? Insight was a skill then and cosplay wasn't near as big/popular or as well known.
9. Would it be Dr. who if the aliens didn't occasionally look hokey/corny?
1. Could be. I’ve seen a few people posit that.
2. I also got Family of Blood vibes when the Doctor talked about stranding them in another dimension to suffer.
Honestly, the bird-person with the blue head and crazy long eyebrows looked like a muppet.
😄 yep.
Don't forget the ring! The doctor will be able to use it to find Rogue.
Ah yeah he might be able to.
Didn't Captain Jack give someone a ring in Torchwood? It was a tracking device he gave someone as he was about to be buried alive, so he could be dug up later.
Sorry, it was Captain John Hart who gave Jack the ring.
Exactly! The doctor's used personal items to locate people before!
He was quite implicit that he couldn't save him at the end of the episode, the fact he hasn't saved anymore in 2 episodes says he's not the Doctor to me. Doctor Boo Hoo maybe
I guess you could say this was a 'Phil'ler episode before the finale😏
I enjoyed the episode, it was good that it was an easy episode to follow.
I'm also glad we got to see the amazing TARDIS interior. Feels like ages since we saw it
I like what you did there 😄
I thought the first episode was pretty standard even if the overall execution was flawed. TARDIS materializes on a ship which has a broken thing that is endangering the inhabitants of the aforementioned ship and the Doctor does something clever/finds information which resolves the plot. There's at least one of these every season I think.
True but it was also Ruby’s first trip in the TARDIS which I guess is why I separated it out.
Loved Watching the doctor pull 😂
Never bought a captain jack recast
But If Rouge is a prequel to Jack's story, showing him before he had his memories stolen by the Time Agency and before meeting the Ninth Doctor, I would be intrigued by a recast (if Rouge does turn out to be Jack).
In Jack's second episode, "The Doctor Dances- the Doctor dancing featured in this episode. He is American, uses a fake name, and jack came from the 51st century-a detail highlighted twice in the series. These elements are very suggestive, but perhaps deliberately so to mess with fans.
The proposal scandle scene and the doctor falling so fast for Rouge. reminded me of The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith, like if finding Rouge might be a trap leading to the new boss He mentioned..
Oh yes the boss…. The same one as meep’s boss maybe?
Agree with all of this! I really enjoyed this one. Thanks for the review!
No worries. 🙂
Someone said on twitter that the photo of Richard E Grant was from a photoshoot specifically for the episode which is interesting. Aside from that, fun episode. Jonathan Groff and Ncuti have great chemistry and the plot is hilarious.
Yes I saw that too. That is interesting. Wonder if it means he’ll be used in some other capacity or if it was just a fun favour he did
@@CulturePhiltergot a theory which I don’t think anyone else noticed in the episode did you notice when rouge said this job is full of paper work sense we got that new boss
@@CulturePhilterI wonder if rouges and the meeps boss are the same
I wondered why the Doctor had to explain cosplay to Rogue as well. But I noticed in that scene that it was shot without seeing their faces, and I wondered if it was inserted later with ADR dubbing as a way to explain cosplay to audience members who might not know what it is.
Yeah I guess that could be it.
A thread of how sutekh came about to return : did you notice the way the MASTER played the flute on the planet where Yaz left him when he overtook the doctor? Don't you think he could have awoken sutek? and since then it's been on the TARDIS? Could Jodie have unleashed the toymaker, when she said at regeneration monet: TAG YOU ARE IT! (the toymaker was then it, and got freed... my take on it!). Then we meet the Master as isaac newton, cuz the way is tone becomes ominous and dark when he says "Mavity" affecting all reality for 14th & 15th... Nucti then perpetrated a satanic scrifice : on christmas eve the darkest day of the year he slayed the goblin king, using mavity on a spike of a church... dark sacrifice no? Hene freeing sutekh to haunt the TARDIS even more...step by step. Oh baby... this will be a wild finale!
Why would a flute release him?
@@CulturePhilter the high pitch of the recorder of the 2nd Doctor which Dawan having overtaken Jodie's body has a high pitch... the echo can go far. You never know what lore the MAster can know about songs to awaken slumbering devilish forms banished across the cosmos, this is why i rnjoy the hypothesis of his implication. The hammer could have had a hidden power from the Toymaker and it created Ncuti's TARDIS overtaken at that moment,by being weakened by the split into 2 separate TARDIS
@@CulturePhilter flutes are also heavily referenced in the Azathoth lore of HP Lovecraft... "a flute playing in the distance" an evil song (the echo of the songs the master played while in exile). He saw the memories of the Doctor, he got probably a view of Sutekh from 4th's memory.
I agree, that wasn't a bad thing. I mean, my first thought after watching was finally, an episode that actually feels like good ol' NuWho!
It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but it still had everything I could want from a good DW story - It was fun and camp, yet emotional at times; great setting, cool uncomplicated monsters, awesome character moments. I feel like I finally got a chance to actually get to know Ruby and 15 better as people, and see what they're actually like on a run-in-the-mill type of adventure. The Doctor felt more like the Doctor here than he did in many of the previous stories imo, and Ruby finally showed some real agency as a companion (she also did in 73 yards and Boom, but there she didn't really have a choice but to be separated from the Doctor; I liked that in this case, they just decided to split and she actually chose to do her own thing). I do wish it would have happened much earlier in the season, but better late then never I suppose lol :)
I also loved the chemistry between Ncuti and Jonathan Groff, and Rogue's character was really interesting (Yeah, similar to Captain Jack in many aspects, but I personally didn't mind it at all), so I hope he does come back in the future! But even if we don't get to see him again, it was a great choice of guest star and a very cool dynamic to watch unfold. I especially loved the scene where they danced, and how they used the homophobia of the era in their favour (and the Doctor's reaction to the proposal was also very intriguing).
My only, very tiny gripe tbh, is how quickly the Doctor believed Ruby was actually gone. I mean, I liked Ruby's side of it, using the earring's previously established combat-mode and "cosplaying" was very clever on her part and I can totally believe it worked. It was also well established that the creatures don't identify each other very quickly so I can even buy them not clocking her. However, personally, since all the Chuldur were in bird-form, and she was the only one that wasn't, I immediately assumed it was actually the real Ruby. When the Doctor ran off, I expected him to go search for her body, to want to verify that she's actually dead before he rains down hell on them.. But instead he just went away to cry, which was a bit disappointing tbh. I'm not one of the people who has a problem with him crying in every episode, I understand what you're saying about it losing some of the impact, but I actually think that's a nice character trait for 15; he's emotional and wears his heart(s) on his sleeve and that's cool. I just didn't like how quickly he accepted it without even checking - and even if he did believe it and just felt like crying, I don't get why he had to go off to the side to do so. I doubt he'd be the kind of character who cares about other people seeing him cry, both since he hadn't so far, and cause that's such a human male-ego type of trait that doesn't fit the Doctor imo, but oh well.
Thank you for another great review :)
BTW, did the kids watch the episode yet? What did they think?
The 4 year old watched it. But he watched Church on Ruby rd again immediately after so when I came to record this he only wanted to talk about THAT ep. So cut that out😄
9 year old is sadly losing interest. No idea why but she’s just decided she doesn’t like it anymore 🤷♂️
@@CulturePhilter Shame about Paige (? did I get that right?) losing interest. Maybe she's getting to an age where nothing Dad likes can be cool? If so, it's a phase that doesn't last long! x
@@YourQueerGreatAuntie yeah may be that. She’s gotten very image conscious over last year. Very picky about what clothes she wears. Getting rid of loads of toys she had only recently gotten and loved etc…
(And yes you got her name right)
@@CulturePhilter I remember that moment in my life so vividly. It included throwing away toys (OG My Little Pony!) which I was conscious at the time I would regret. And I do!
@@YourQueerGreatAuntie I’m not sure I ever went through that to such a degree. Things just went up the loft if I actually secretly still wanted them.
Which my daughter has less opportunity to do as our loft is filled with the stuff from mine and my wife’s childhoods 😄
I said the same about the crying. My reaction was 'uff dammit, of course he cries again.'
And it’s not like the individual situations don’t warrant crying. But it’s because they aware choosing to put him in these situations every week that they are starting not to hit as well.
My friend and I theorised that he would cry every single episode like two episodes ago and now we’re actually looking forward to it. "Keeping the streak going"
It allows us not to be annoyed by it. I hope it never stops.
@@Anna-zi7sx did he cry in 73 yards?
It reminded me of Ghost Light, which also had aliens taking on human form with ambitions to rise through the ranks of English aristocracy.
I think it’s been about 18 years since I last watched Ghost light and can’t remember much about it now.
I really enjoyed this weeks episode. I liked the Ruby misdirection, more so because it subverted my expectation, I knew she wouldn't die but, I thought when The Doctor and Rouge thought she was dead, I thought it was gonna go down the snow falling, saving her or something again, but i did like that it was the earrings and saving her, because it could have went down that route.
Yes I meant to mention the snow. I assumed it was something about Ruby that would have saved her. I’d forgotten about the battle mode of the earrings
As soon as it cut away from the Ruby confrontation I said to my son "They're going to Queen Elizabeth it- like in the 50th anniversary" and he nodded and said "Yep." and they did. Ruby won and pretended to be the shapechanger.
Did you notice the ship is an homage to The Great Condor,
from "Les Mysterieuses Cites d'or" - "Lost cities of gold".
With Esteban, Tao, Zia & Mendoza
I’m not familiar with The Lost Cities of Gold. The ship made me think of Guardians of the Galaxy a bit.
@@CulturePhilter as of now I post this on every video reviewing rogue... 1 person speaking english answered me yet. It was popular in France, Quebec, and Japan i think
My theory on the Doctor crying in every episode ties in to my theory that they are trapped in an alternate reality, a video game or tv show in which the story or the character, like in space Babies, is meant to make the Doctor cry or afraid. Someone is manipulating the Doctor's emotions. And Susan Twist is just another player or recurring background actor in the story.
Susan twist as a background actor in a TV show world is a good idea. Hopefully we’ll get some answers next week
I thought it was such a fantastic episode & classic Doctor. Perfection!
A pretty solid episode indeed.
I genuinely could not adjust after the past few episodes we've gotten. I didn't know what to think LOL it was very good though! At first I wanted to see the episode follow up on Lindy Pepper Bean's utterly disgusting behavior, how it affected the Doctor, but honestly, the fact that we basically returned to form in terms of Doctor Who was a breath of fresh air.
Unless I missed something it’s been the only episode this season without any kind of social commentary.
I fully agree on the crying. Too often and it loses it's impact. Did he cry in 73 yards? I know he was sorry but I don't recall crying.
Yeah I agree, from early on it was obviously just a standard Who episode. I enjoyed it for what it was, having never watched a single bit of Bridgerton. I have nothing against period dramas set then but Bridgerton doesn't interest me one bit. Rogue may not be Captain Jack but he's clearly RTD's replacement for him, which means John Barrowman is unlikely to return. The one thing I didn't like and it took me out of the episode where the bird heads, one of them look liked it was straight out of Sesame Street.
I hadn't spotted Richard E Grants head and while TCOFD is fun, I hope he's not from that version. It should remain fully non-canon.
As a side note, I didn't spot anything to indicate where in their journeys this was. So it doesn't confirm or deny that this episode was swapped with The Devil's Chord. Oh well.
Ah you may be right. 73 yards may have been the one where he doesn’t. But then he was barely in that.
@@CulturePhilter Yeah, it would be tough to fit crying into such a short appearance.
13:37 like in boom? 😂 I was definitely missing a classic doctor who story in this season. And yeah, 15 cries way too much. 8/10 episode!
You’re going to have to remind me what I said at 13:37 now 😄
@@CulturePhilter You said that they’re not going to kill off ruby
@@Blazing_Ninja well same applied there. They didn’t kill her they had her close death… and we all knew she’d make it.
@@CulturePhilter True, its a bit annoying that we know she’s in season 2 though
@@Blazing_Ninja a surprise companion death. An actual permanent death like Adric, mid-season would be great. But hard to pull off and keep secret.
If it is Richardine Grant and he is a doctor then it has to be the shelter doctor. It can’t be from the Stephen Moffat episode where he was playing the Doctor of the intelligence of the great intelligence that doesn’t work.
There are other options… but I’ll leave them for the video. 😄
There are other options… but I’ll leave them for the video. 😄
Love the character Rogue and love the Doctor. I loved their chemistry but I think it would have been more powerful if they hadn't kissed.
Ruby was about to die, the Doctor was distressed... not the time for a first kiss.
I guess from Rogues point of view it was the distraction to get the device (even if he also wanted to kiss him) and for the Doctor he was probably taken a bit off guard
@@CulturePhilter yes, I totally get how Rogue would want to use it as a distraction knowing what he was about to do. But The Doctor kissed him back, when Ruby was in so much danger. Feel it was the wrong time and place.
@@GenealogyJulie yeah I can see what you’re saying.
Great review
Thank you
Thank you
Here comes a timey whimey question. The Chuldur want to go to London afterwards and become the king. But if they change to much or kill more people then the future they have seen and Bridgerton may never be.
Ahhh a paradox.
@@CulturePhilter or one might have survived and wrote the Bridgerton book series or made sure it was written and made a tv-series - we can’t be completely sure someone isn’t still cosplaying. And they live 600 years.
Perhaps Bridgerton is a fixed point in time
@@tmage23 😄
Maybe Rogue is the one who waits
Hmmmm he did say “find me” so he’ll be waiting for that 🤔
I don’t think so…. But it’s not impossible.
Richard E Grant also played The Great Intelligence who was last seen stepping into the Doctors time stream followed by Clara the Impossible Girl. Perhaps that is why he is in there and it's a hint to all is not well because of it. It could just be messing with the fans by Russell as well.
I am going to be honest I dislike period dramas and I went in slightly dreading it.
There were some good moments and I liked Rogue and the kiss at the end made me smile especially as I know it will have blown the anti woke brigades mind 😂
Every episode but 73 Yards for the crying.
Yet again the Doctor didn't actually save the day it was someone else.
For me this episode was a miss BUT that's my issue not the episode's it's just not my cup of tea.
It all just felt like something was off about it again probably just me.
Yes could be something to do with Great Intelligence. I have multiple theories I’ll try and put into a video later in the week
As adults, we are used to the trope of a main character not actually dying if they shockingly die off-screen, but it would be different for kids watching. Just an idea. Not a hill I'm prepared to die on!
Yeah true. My 4 year old was worried she had actually died.
I think he has cried in every episode. I don't mind men crying... but every week!?!!
Someone pointed out he didn’t in 73 yards but then he was barely in that.
I think the Shalkra Doctor or either the Great Intelligence was the Doctors life he had with the Pantheon
We talking pre-timeless child do we think?
The doctor thought Ruby had died so I forgive hia tears.
It’s absolutely a moment you would expect someone to cry but because they are putting these moments in every episode I’m finding they are starting to have less impact on me. 🤷♂️
Hopefully it's The Shalka Doctor. The Curse of Fatal Death Doctor would include too many cartoonish silly Doctors.
True. There are a couple of more options which I’ll go through in a video that will hopefully be out later today.
It was good and I watched it on Disney Plus for my 30th birthday 🎉🎂🎉🎂🎉🎂🎉
Happy Birthday for yesterday. 🎂
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday :)
Happy birthday! What a lovely present to yourself x
I think someone in the BBC took a dumb! wipped their ass and handed the paper to RTD! who gabe it the go ahead as another ground breaking script
So to hear you didn’t like it. Not every episode can appeal to everyone I guess.
I'm just disappointed that a show about a thirty-something Gay Black dude hooking up was constantly interrupted with some nonsense about shapeshifting space hipsters doing a LARP. I tuned in for bad singing and dancing but some cretin at the BBC/Disney kept trying to insert their own agenda about travelling through time and space. I hope they have rectified this come next week's episode.
Sorry but you forgot Torchwood?
Shows can be “about” multiple things. And any good sci-fi show doesn’t just focus on action and plot but interactions and relationships between characters too.
@@CulturePhilter That sound like the old RTD era that the characters are the focus.
@@CulturePhilter You sound like you're being forced to read glib excuses off a BBC-approved press release. The episode is both a critical and a demonstrable audience failure.
@@mayotango1317 We're all trying to forget Torchwood. But that's neither here nor there. This episode of Doctor Who sucked.
6:06 Their overtly horny interactions certainly weren't my idea of "subdued" flirting. I don't like the Doctor being lovey-dovey, full stop, but here he was virtually gagging for it. That said, I'd already lost interest in this story long before the flirting started. I've really enjoyed all the episodes in the RTD2 era so far, but this was a total dud from my POV.
Did I use the word subdued in relation to the flirting from the Doctor? I might have said it in relation to Rouge in comparison to how Jack flirts. In fact the Doctor here was flirting a lot like Jack flirts.
I wouldn’t want him doing it every week but I don’t mind it here.
@@CulturePhilter I don't like it at all, sorry, whether it's Tennant, Smith or Gatwa doing it - if only because it's lazy. By which I mean it makes it easy for writers to pad out a script with romcom/soap-opera dialogue, plotlines and action instead of writing scifi.
@@ftumschk the best sci-fi is grounded in character. How people interact in the unique situations sci-fi puts them in. Sometimes that includes a bit of romance. 🤷♂️
@@CulturePhilter I disagree. Assuming that the Doctor has emotions like "people", there are any number of situations/interactions they could be exploring before they get down to promiscuous flirting. What we got in Rogue just felt cheap and dirty to me.
It was stunning and brave!! Can't wait till this golem is cancelled.
What?
God-awful rot.
Bit of an extreme reaction. Why do you say that?
because the actor is gay, it should not mean the doctor as to be gay, making the doctor gay after 17th regenerations is wrong
Time lords don’t even think about gender in the same way as us. To quote the 12th Doctor “were the most civilized civilization in the universe. We’re billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender”
The Doctor isn’t “gay” they just are attracted to individuals. Those individuals might be male, female or other, it wouldn’t matter to The Doctor.
Yes I think The Doctor cries way too much. He needs to be more regulated but not repressed
It’s not that he needs to not cry in the situations he has done even, it’s that they need to write less of scenes where he would cry.
@@CulturePhilter you're right. If there weren't so many tear jerking scenes he wouldn't look like everything makes him cry. To me it looked like he was crying at everything. But the scenes were written that way. He was supposed to.
Is there really much overlap between audiences for a children's monster-of-the-week fantasy adventure series and a hammy, hokey revisionist period drama? I couldn't give a hoot about Downton/Bridgerton/Trumpton/Straight Outta Compton or whatever. Garbage episode that instantly dated itself.
It’s a time-travel show. They are going to sometimes go to eras that are also covered in other types of shows. 🤷♂️
Also yeah, I’m sure there are crossovers. Most people don’t restrict themselves to a single genre of entertainment. They may have their favorite genre but will generally watch or enjoy a mix.
@@CulturePhilter You're missing the point. It wasn't really a time-travel thing. It was a cringe nod-wink spoof thing. It was an instantly dated spoof thing at that. It was a spoof thing that had no relevance to the show's target audience.
@@dinogoldie9716 in 20 years time will new people watching the episode go “Bridge-what?” When the programme specifically gets mentioned? Sure.
But that’s no different to the scores of pop-culture references made during Russell’s first era. Half the reality tv/gameshow references in “Bad Wolf” from 2005 would go over a 20 year olds head now.
But the things like scenes starting having similar premises (like the “you will marry my sister!) it does’t really matter if someone has seen or even heard of the original thing. It’s an added thing to clock if you have but not vital.
@@CulturePhilter Never mind 20 years from now. "Rogue" has already aged like milk. Kids don't watch Bridgerton and this episode chalked up the lowest estimated viewer numbers of the run so far. Self indulgence is not entertaining. Smug references are not storytelling. This episode seriously misjudged who it was for and what it was trying to achieve.
@@dinogoldie9716 I should hope kids aren’t watching Bridgerton … far too much sex in it for children to be watching.
But Doctor Who has always referenced pop-culture that kids won’t be watching. The 12th Doctor had a whole joke about the movie Alien. Kids shouldn’t be watching that either.
Doctor Who-Slash-Fanfiction from Bridgertonfans. Seriously?
Out of interest are you someone who believe the Doctor should never have any kind of romantic connections of any kind? That he should essentially be Asexual