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Dan here, so i know very little about it but from the vague stuff stevens said it seems like theres more dragons than we really know about and some more riders will be popping up

they need to ban him from doing interviews at this point. his newest is the worst

I hate him but he's a certified bad ass

its great to see people feel so strongly about a character again, havent really seen it since Joffrey

To be fair this plan was aemond not Cole’s we hear them make this plan in the first episode before blood and cheese and it’s mostly aemond

The analogy is a good one but I feel what makes the jumps scare bad is that the camerawork prior to that scene & the physical dimensions of the surrounding terrain/castle doesn’t make it plausible for Vhagar to be at that location ready to pounce. Like Dan said, Vhagar has been repeatedly shown and described as lumbering, so it feels unlikely that she’s on the ground behind the cliff and leapt in the air just as Meleys flew by. Not to mention it also seems implausible for her to have managed to maneuver behind the castle to begin with without being sighted by Rhaenys/Meleys. It would have been much better/feel less contrived if they just had Vhagar climb back up in the air and Meleys fly at her for a second time and clash and die head-on. I can see them choosing not to for budget reasons, but if they deliberately did this for shock factor or some other reason I stand genuinely baffled.

I'd probably love it if they hadn't already done it last time. Surely there's more ways to surprise the bookies other than RKO's - Dan

@@burgunbeerd I feel that. It did kind of seem like they wanted a woah moment, but maybe were pushing the budget. Seems like a Vhagar sneak attack would be cheaper than her say, sweeping down from above really fast or meeting Rhaenys head on. I was hoping for a head-on stand off. But overall, I was so pleased. I've rewatched the battle like five times and still cry for the poor dragons, stupid Aegon and my fave lady. I think they gave Rhaenys the send off she deserved. I deduct points only because they should have ended the episode with Aegon all melty, crispy and screaming like Anakin.

@@jessjess23brooks89yeah it would have made the battle much more intense imo if Vhagar simply crashed into the two embattled dragons from above. We can still have the moment of betrayal where Vhagar bathes both dragons in her flames and we would have avoided the questionable jump scare (I get the reptile hunting analogy, my main gripe with it is that the camera work does not show us how Vhagar maneuvered over there and the entire scene felt unrealistic/contrived). And Vhagar crashing into Meleys from above would also remove another confusing scene-that of Aemond apparently leaving Meleys alone after breathing fire. Like to me it felt was very clearly shown that Aemond did not attempt to engage Meleys at all prior to Rhaenys ordering Meleys to return to the fight. There was a shot of Aemond looking at the returning Meleys with an expression that looked almost like mild surprise and only then wheeling Vhagar around to engage. Even if you were to argue that Meleys is much faster than Vhagar it still makes zero sense for Aemond not to try to kill Rhaenys, since that was the whole point of the ambush-to kill a Black dragon. And I would argue that after Sunfyre falls said objective becomes even more crucial since the greens now only have 3 dragons, and only Vhagar is combat ready (Daeron’s mount having yet to arrive from Old town). There is absolutely no chance in my opinion that Aemond gives up killing Meleys right after making his brother collateral and the shots of him flying away casually is just silly. Again, none of this would have happened had they just have Vhagar crash down on Meleys, bring her to the ground and destroy her there. As stated in this video, it would have done a better job of showing off Vhagar’s brute power.

If this is true then I feel it’s rather shooting themselves in the foot. Like I feel it’s in general not a good idea to do a scene just for the sake of shock, or in a shallow attempt to satisfy certain audiences, especially not in the ASOIAF setting where fans expect a higher degree of consistency and logic. Just look at the amount of eyebrow raising the jump scare has already created. Also don’t forget Meleys koolaid-manning the dragon pit in episode 9 only to do nothing and fly off last season simply because the creators wanted a cool scene (though granted that was more egregious than the jump scare).

Unlike the first few seasons of thrones, this story really heats up in the second half. Let it cook. We just reached a decent simmer. Time for shit to boil over. They are gonna need a fuckton of money to do the last two seasons justice though.

I think its better than GoT s5, but dont see it touching any of the first 4

Her attack is similar to a great white shark. Ambushing them from below is such a predatory move. Most dragons ambush from the sky but Vhagar is way too big for that so she uses her surroundings and environment.

@@jasongupo3859 but was vhagar like crawling on the cliff face or did they just perfectly time it so they were out of view but still flying? Dan needs answers!

You know what, when I imagine Vhagar attached to a cliff face waiting to ambush Meleys, I can't help but imagine a giant lizard stuck to a wall 😂 that was unclear how it happened and I'm sure there's some better way to show that on-screen

@@burgunbeerd Aemond knew Rhaenys and Meleys would eventually retreat back to Dragonstone if she couldn’t find him. She’d have to go over the cliff to fly back across the bay. I imagine he was putting a lot of trust in Vhagars instincts. Similar to trusting her to track down Luke and Arrax in season 1. While Rhaenys is old and experienced, Vhagar is much older and much more experienced. Aemond probably stirred her to the cliff and Vhagar did the timings. Maybe she hovered or just timed it right. Perhaps she did land at the base of the cliff and jump up when she saw, smelt or heard Meleys. 🤷‍♂️

​@@J_ads2000Rhaenys made a mistake by not rising higher above the battlefield. But this is not a logical fallacy. Although I would like to see Vhagar/Aemond's POV at this point

Well, there's no brotherly love lost between them. Aemond clearly envies his brother's position as the King.

Maybe kinslaying gets easier the second time around.

I mean one’s an adult in his 20’s. Luke was a literal child in every sense of the word. Aegon was always the ring leader for this bullying. Killing Luke started a war, killing Aegon is actually helping the greens avoid further destruction.

Not to mention how eveyone would hate another “it happened by accident”.

Reminds me of people saying “why didn’t Rhaenys retreat and go home”. But the exact same people were hating on her for retreating last season.

If you like dragons, HotD is definitely better. But I'd say S1 and S2 GoT were better. Even if the later seasons left a sour taste and hindered the overall show. Loving HotD currently though.

Seeing HotD while it's airing compared to GoT makes the experience more fun because of the weekly discussions. GoT was very good early on, can't deny. But I have faith they can surpass it in the next seasons

No.

@@burgunbeerd as good as any other 2 seasons, with the potential to get better. (Also potential to get worse, but less likely)

@@friendlyotaku9525 nope, we went in very hopeful but the problems that we saw in episode one and talk about in the first review are the same problems the show kept having every other episode. It's unfortunate

@@burgunbeerd Still, I think that affected bias somewhat. I just tend to critique media very differently, with every episode I always go in with zero expectations and want to be surprised. Though out of curiosity what problems were those? Genuine question.

@@friendlyotaku9525 they're all in the video for your viewing pleasure

@@burgunbeerd maybe if I have the time.

Might I ask, how did they ruin Sutekh exactly? "davies everywhere talking nonsense and turning people against the season" examples of this if I might ask?

@@friendlyotaku9525 his moronic and hypocrite claims of the sonic looking like a gun then literally has a child character shooting a machine gun at a living thing in the finale, saying that were all equal then has a scene at the end of the star beast where the female characters chastise the doctor for being a male and saying how he should have stayed a female and the doctor stands there like a plum taking it looking a fool, saying the classic writers were wrong and 'old fashioned ' to have davros in a wheelchair ( even though it isn't one ) and being hypocritical having davros in his own season in his chair and having an actual villain IN a wheelchair in season 2 and much much more. As for suetekh he's ruined because of how easily and ridiculously he was defeated making him look super pathetic and making any future threat's irrelevant

@@phantomsidious2934 "his moronic and hypocrite claims of the sonic looking like a gun then literally has a child character shooting a machine gun at a living thing in the finale" While what he said about the sonic was odd neither of these things are comparable since the latter was a life and death situation. " saying how he should have stayed a female" this is never said. "saying the classic writers were wrong and 'old fashioned ' to have davros in a wheelchair ( even though it isn't one )" Davros's life support machine functionally serves as a wheelchair. "being hypocritical having davros in his own season in his chair and having an actual villain IN a wheelchair in season 2" ...back in the mid 2000s, his views will obviously have changed since then. "suetekh he's ruined because of how easily and ridiculously he was defeated" you could say that about any Doctor Who antagonist though, especially when the stakes are super high!

@@friendlyotaku9525 they literally said he should have 'stayed as a women', just because other villians have been defeated ridiculously and stupidly doesn't mean it's ok it KEEPS HAPPENING!! Your suppose to learn from past mistakes and DO BETTER!!! Plus suetekh was super powerful and wiped out the universe with his dust and he stands there with a dog lead on he can't get rid of? And Davros's chair isn't a wheelchair, it's a life support travel machine, half of what kelads will end up in, are they offensive to? Never seen a wheelchair that looks like that before.

@@phantomsidious2934 they do not say this, Donna says "shame you're not a woman anymore, because she'd have understood". "he stands there with a dog lead on he can't get rid of?" Because it's intelligent rope, which is designed so it can't be destroyed or removed by the target and usually I'd have an issue with this but I don't because it has been set up since the Church on Ruby Road with the Intelligent Gloves (invented by the Doctor) so those are essentially a Chekhov's gun! And Davros's life support travel machine is functionally a wheelchair, it might not have wheels but it is a chair designed to support a disabled man who was badly injured at some point during the Kaled-Thal War.

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What planet are you living on, most of the audience hated this season and rightly so, nobody wants to be lecturered to every 5 mins

This whole video gives an in depth reasons why this season had bad things in it, like most people do, if you just label someone with a word then you clearly are just a baby, listen to the criticism and understand most are just critiquing the episodes for legitimate reasons, season was far from perfect that's a fact, and you can find hundreds of reviews online from level headed fans why this season didn't work, stop spreading dumb shit

I see that you're not a Slayer fan. They have good songs that are well written, well played and the guys in the band are really nice. Most metal and rock fans agree. If you don't like them, you must be a bigot. See how stupid you sound?

I just want to apologise on behalf of the other commenters for your debilitating deaf and blindness - I hope you're getting support 😢

"The stories are secondary to his fawning." ??? And Ruby is not LGBTQ as far as we have seen so that's not true, she's an ally but she herself is straight as far as we know.

@@friendlyotaku9525 pretty sure its been made clear that she's fluid.

@@tussk. It has not, one of her friends is trans and her adopted mother had a girlfriend but Ruby herself is straight as far as we know as in 73 Yards we see her dating different people who are all men.

@@friendlyotaku9525 i dont think you know what fluid means. ruby is bi.

The fluid girl was in "The Pilot" heh heh heh puddle girl joke

@@jvblhc unfortunately in retrospect it's probably not one I'll rewatch more than once because it lives and dies by that final reveal. It was fun to go back and see the subtle things we didn't catch the first time but yeah

@@alexandersolodovnikov4840 it's honestly saddening how easily they summed up the entire Disney landscape atm haha. I can only hope they watched it and thought "shit! they're onto us!"

@@burgunbeerd The saddest thing is that the show kinda have some interesting ideas, that in concept could be interesting, but the execution is horrible. I wouldn't mind some gay romance in star wars, but the way they try to present it is offensively bad.

@@alexandersolodovnikov4840 100% agree. We were actually pretty keen on the first 2 episodes. We are definitely going to try and do a lil video on what could have been and a kind of fan rewrite of it