A Meaningless Reveal for Most People... | Legend of Ruby Sunday: Doctor Who Review / Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Sutekh?! Doctor Who: The Legend of Ruby Sunday poses the question of Who Is Ruby's Mum but never actually gives us an answer, instead we get the answer to a "mystery" that fans solved a month ago and new viewers won't have any tangible idea of what it even means. Yay?
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Did you know who SUTEKH was before this episode? Did it have a big impact if you didnt?
I did and it's a rubbish sequel to a great story
I only started with Doctor Who with Eccleston so when that "reveal" dropped I was like, "Who the f is that?"
I was so surprised when I looked up Sutekh to see he'd been in ONE episode? This entire episode felt like a huge fan service wank for the die-hards. While I'm happy they got what they needed, anyone else watching this series long since checked out. They're laying in this pipeline with the Susan Twist BS, and then it turns out she's just a minion, and it makes no sense why she'd be Bad Wolf'd throughout time and space. How is this Sutekh dude "The One Who Waits"?
I'd be interested to hear if any of the casual viewers felt any exposition or foreshadowing of this Sutekh guy, cause I saw no lead up to this big day and frankly, it's made me irrationally mad at this show.
You obviously need a bit more Who in your life, come back once you’ve seen Pyramids of Mars, it’ll save you a lot of aggro
nope. and I didn't care.
@@Farsight-nc1ib Agreed. The guy on the left asked "Am I being too harsh?".... no, probably not harsh enough.
I loved how he put on his Eccleston suit for this episode !!
But indeed, we miss 4 episodes of content to build characters.
Yeah in episode 1 he tells Ruby she can come with him but they can NEVER go looking for her mum. Now suddenly it's the main goal?
@@BuyersGuyd never go looking for her in that time period, but now they got a window :P Plot twist !! hahahah
Is it me, or has most this season been that stand alone episode 10/11 that you expected in the 13 part series. I'm actually starting to think "Space Babies not a bad start" lol
Can only speak from my own experience but when the master reveal happened back in Series 3 I had no idea who that character was yet that still worked, I feel very much the same about this episode as the speech at the end practically tells you all you need to know. Also it is quite worth remembering this is a 1 of 2 and RTDs 1 of 2 finales usual raise more questions than answers. For example you don’t find out what Bad Wolf is in the episode titled ‘Bad Wolf’ you get that the week after in Parting of the ways. I genuinely think that due to people getting used to binge watching shows now a days that certain people have forgotten that the first part of two part stories are 9 times out of 10 mostly set up and exposition, due to the fact that usually they can just go ahead and click the next episode. -Just my two cents on the matter (I know no one asked 😂😂)
i asked for your two cents at the end of the video so thankyou! ahah. I feel like the Master reveal worked even if you didn't know the Master because hes another timelord but bad vs this being another big bad god thats bigger and badder than the last even though so far the 2 gods we've seen have been beaten by a game of catch and a musical diddy.
Like when Voldemort rocks up you know hes an evil strong wizard compared to if god rocked up in harry potter.
Unsure if that explanation works but yeah, its how we feel at least
@@burgunbeerd I completely see your point there however I would like to say Voldemort is a bad example, I mean he’s the only franchise villain I know of that actually struggled to kill a child on multiple occasions - but that’s a whole other ball game 😂
I do agree it is strange how these previous Gods have been defeated but it has been established as to why (Ridiculous though it may be - and I suppose that’s where your suspension of disbelief has to come in) that they are beaten using essentially their own rules ie a Game and Music. Which now leads me to the thought that cause Suketh is Death then the plan to beat him would likely have to involve his own rules.
Just an aside want to say im glad to hear different opinions on this from someone who seems to be open to different opinions instead of the channels we all know these days just being completely like it’s this and every other opinion is wrong and just denying and kind of discussion. It’s actually a breath of fresh air so thank you guys for that massively! 😊
We absolutely strive to not be like those channels haha!
I'm glad the reveal worked for you and hopefully others because it's a pretty big bet from RTD to hinge the season on such a niche character. Pulling the the Toymaker back in was wild enough
Great comment which is completely true buddy, these muppets have no idea of DW and seems like there an underlying agenda they pushing in the video. 😉👍
Very good points you make. I just didn't feel as gripped as i usually do at the end of the first part of a season finale. It felt a bit like 'been there ... seen it... done it' all too rushed. Where was that special 'build the tension' episode? The Doctor just turns up at UNIT demanding to find out about this mystery woman.
I feel it needed more of a mysterical lead in.
BUT, rightly, as you say, a lot hangs on the last epsiode; if that is good the I won't be criticising this one ... just don't quite get the vibes that it's all going to happen in a complete well-executed way. (This was my worry when I heard there would only be the 8 episodes!).
It's the lack of episodes that has made this a bit anticlimactic for me.
We should definitely be having a "Sound of Drums" next because this has been hinted at since the 60th, but it'll be over in 60 minutes.
The movie idea is good too.
"A meaningless reveal for most people"
Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, The Toymaker...villains from the classic series who were revealed and many didnt know who or what they are, because they had never watched the classic series, so whats your point
Compare this with how Daleks were first reintroduced in series 1 or even series 5 where neither Rose, nor Amy didn't know what it was, which made Doctor's reaction even more terrifying than this CGI with ominous voice.
Dalek had an entire episode devoted to a single Dalek and its impact on the Doctor and his development and is one of the best ever episodes.
Cybermen had an origin story via Cybus industries and the episode itself was more focused on Rose and Pete's world than it was the big reveal of the Cybermen.
The Master, as we say in the video, has several episodes devoted to the Master and concepts surrounding him not to mention the arguable 3 season build up towards it.
The toymaker was out of nowhere yes. But it was also part of the 60th anniversary specials not "season 1"
That's our point. As explained in the video.
@@burgunbeerd The Doctor will likely explain Sutekh to Ruby Sunday and UNIT next episode.
@@burgunbeerdthe Master’s reveal in Utopia was exactly the same as this. We learned that time lords could become humans in family of blood like we learn gods exist in devils chord. The master is revealed in the last 5 minutes just like sutekh. We learn about the master in the subsequent episodes, you can’t fault this one for not giving a lore dump when he’s only just been revealed. It’s a non-argument and how would you ever introduce new villains otherwise. There was a time where no one knew what cybermen or daleks were in the 60s as they were originally introduced in cliffhangers too. To say it’s pointless using something because no one knows what it is would mean nothing new would ever be made again
It could be the best episode ever and these two whiny bitches would still complain.
Why does everyone at UNIT have such a stupidly high rank?
It's like every random grunt is a Colonel.
Because it requires a ridiculously high security clearance to even join? Think about the alien technology they are guarding.
Not really. One of them is Corporal Alice Sullivan, Corporal is a lower rank than Colonel. Plus UNIT has different squads and teams within it, such as Colonel Ibrahim who is in charge of UNIT Squad 5, and Colonel Winston Chidozie is (or was) head of Time Window security.
Don't forget we are on the top floor of a large building with likely hundreds of workers in the floors below.
If you're going to pontificate about something at least do your homework. William Hartnell had arteriosclerosis - he did NOT suffer from dementia or Alzheimers.
Had to stop watching this. The guy on the right speaks like a 13 year old teenage girl from 20 years ago, upward inflection, pronouncing “T” as “D”, the works. The other guy just moaned his way through the whole thing.
And very basic lack of knowledge/disrespect towards William Hartnell. The guy suffered from undiagnosed arteriosclerosis, which caused him to have trouble pronouncing words and learning his lines. It’s what eventually killed him, aged just 67. The guy had a horrible life, brought up my a single mother in the 1920s in absolute poverty. If it wasn’t for his commitment and effort, there wouldn’t be a Doctor Who today for you to moan about. Also, the character of Susan wasn’t included just so she could talk for Hartnell, she was included to appeal to younger viewers (the character was said to be around 15 at the time it was screened). Early Who wasn’t just Science Fiction, it was meant to be educational, that’s why the 2 companions at the start were teachers (Ian science, Barbara history). It’s also why there are stories in the early seasons about Marco Polo, The Romans, Aztecs and the French Revolution. Zero respect for a show that you think youre critiquing, but you’re actually just bitching.
and Hartnell could deliver great speeches ie Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Massacre when he wanted. No second takes and editing then.
@@TheZodiacz 2 examples mate
Just like Star Wars channels and SW...
They just love to hate the only reason their channel exists.
Great review, you highlighted some issues I couldn't quite put my finger on when watching the episode. The biggest issue is surely that the Osirans need an explanation. I seem to recall a great little prologue in the Pyramids novelisation that contained a crucial backstory to the war and Sutekh's imprisonment. The finale does indeed need to explain a lot! There will undoubtedly be some tie-in to the Doctor's granddaughter (who was left on a devastated earth in the future), Sutekh's earlier encounter and escape from his prison, Ruby's backstory, how Sutekh and the other 'Gods' interrelate, the mystery of Mrs Flood (who I don't really care about at all)...just to name a few! I feel that RTD has thrown way too much into the mix, and has relied on social media and Who lore to avoid explaining it all coherently. The season should be self-contained, and explanations like regeneration kept as sparse as possible. Everything seems too over-done here. While Sutekh may provide some great continuity and a Marvel-like threat, the whole reason why Sutekh was so formidable and frightening was the threat was established well in the storytelling, with some human cost but wisely, Robert Holmes constrained the villain in order to tease his power.
It's alright that the Fandom figured out the twists beforehand, since that usually means that they were properly set up. The bigger problem was that the Fandom figured it out, not through the show but through behind the scenes, meta stuff and social media instead of through hints in the show.
This is a problem across many shows. The money people just want the show made in 6-8 episodes because each episode costs millions to make so the days of having multiple episodes to build background and narratives are gone. Look at game of thrones season 1 and 2 were all explanation and world building before the battle for the city at the end of season 2 then seasons 3 and 4 upped the pace of the stories. Season five was the start of battles only taking an episode when in season 2 it would be spread over 4 episodes. The last season was so rushed trying to answer all the questions the show had that it was a completely different show.
I just double checked Sutekhs wiki entry, since it's been a long time since I last saw how Tom Baker defeated him, and it turned out that Sutekh was trapped in a time corridor. Could there be a relation of some sort with time corridors and time windows? Could Sutekh have needed that to help him escape the time corridor? Assuming none of the expanded media tales about him count.
The thing that really gets me is that we have an 8 episode season which is apparently being filmed at the same time as the next season, which is also apparently 8 episodes, so 16 in total. It almost feels like we're basically getting half a season when looked at in that light. The flow of the overall story doesn't seem to gel quite right for me, although as individual episodes I've mostly liked what I've seen. I can still see some ways certain episodes could have been improved on a bit more in terms of their own story structure, but I think had this been a standard 13 episode season, or even the combined 16 episodes of both seasons, we could have had more development on both the Doctor and Rubys relationship, had maybe a little more fun with Mrs Flood and maybe had the Doctor look up on some of the god related adventures he's had in the past to see if he could figure out who the Toymaker was hinting at.
I think the allusion is that UNIT has used the Time Window before because they don't mention it's a test or anything so unsure why he could escape this time but not previously. This is why it feels weird to me with everything being connected but I'm unsure how
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Maybe Sutekh needed The Doctor to be present, or was just lying in wait for him to show up. I expect Sutekh really has it in for him after the events of TPOM. Not the Sutekh needed much of an excuse to be a vengeful asshole.
@@burgunbeerd
And I give RTD props for having Gabriel Woolf reprise the role of Sutekh’s voice.
@@glentor3 There are a lot of 'maybes' and 'what ifs'. that's good in the early episodes, but now we are getting rushed explanations and they are not really working for me. 8 episodes clearly not enough. Fairly obvious I would have thought, but these TV projects are now being produced for a different audience of which I am not quite a part I fear! The Sutekh thing looks good so far... for me it all depends on the resolution. Roll on next week
“Fans solved months ago” it was the way it was done that made it very entertaining and was very edge of your seat vibes
Sutekh was not a member of the pantheon of Gods. He was an Osirian, he had no connection to the Toymaker or the Gods of Ragnarok.
No it wasn’t, it was an episode that spent 40 minutes going “oh what’s the big twist?” It was fucking boring
Yeah I really liked it
@@kevinjmccloy5865 like most Davies stories
@@kevinjmccloy5865 like most Davies stories
And for us classic fans it was a fist pump moment.
For sure.
For a moment, I thought it might have been the Beast from the Satan Pit two parter, but as soon as the reveal happened I was like:
“Holy Shit!”
As a classic Who fan I burst out laughing as NuWho done it again Sutekh became Goofy/Pluto the Destitute 😂
Kudos on the subtitles and high production quality on this
You could say the same thing about the master back in Utopia. A lot of that audience who weren't aware of the classic run had no idea who or what he was until explanations in the following episode. The same goes for this, I presume we’ll get a lot of context this ep. Plus, pyramids of mars (the most famous tom baker story) is where this villain originates, its been mentioned since it appeared and its been almost 50 years since that story - so it makes complete sense to me why he was chosen.
I think for us it just feels like "The Doctor but EVIL" is a much easier concept to get behind and feel the doctors panic for instead of A God. But it's possible that's just us and the audience at large was freaking out
@@burgunbeerd Thats why we got maestro and toymaker this season. SO people would get concept of gods
@@burgunbeerd”The God of Death” is a general cultural concept that most people understand. Especially since Sutekh is directly based off of a real Egyptian myth.
Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, Davros, Toymaker.
Many classic series villains who many wouldn’t know if the new stuff was their introduction into the show, so they comment on “Meaningless reveal” is kind of invalid when it’s not the first time it’s happened.
Cmon, The Master was a recurring legendary character, as was Davros, Sutekh was in one story in the 70s.
It felt very odd like I need more to build up to this like if we had a episode with the trickster or something and not just a name mention missed opportunity
I thought the episode was fine but why they needed to distort the voice so much idk. Had to go back a few times to make out what it was saying through Harriet. The sound mixing has never really been Whos strong point
Sadly it feels like that's most shows and movies nowadays
i think you need to get your ears checked. or turn the tv up
Your almost subliminal references to the obscure Doctor Who villain Subscribe (aka ‘the One Who Pays’) is worthy of RTD himself. Scary.
Um I still wanna know who that other old woman is and if she actually has a role or is just there idk there name but the neighbor next door to Ruby’s she seems off to me.
You're not being to hard on the show and you're not being stupid. Much of your complaints sound pretty reasonable.
This is how it felt to me as well. The audience was interested in meta stuff like background details and anagrams, but the doctor only noticed her on 2 occasions. If you ask me, they COULD have had Ruby remember Kate and that trigger her remembering 73 Yards and that abandonment + Susan Twist could have resulted in RUBY always noticing her and tying that to her abandonment and then Gatwa - who should NEVER have seen her - goes "hmm, a woman I've never seen and a woman you've constantly seen. We should investigate." I just needed some lead in discussion for that. And then it's good suspense but it's all 'that stuff the internet noticed' and then 'the stuff the internet worked out but the episode itself didn't earn narratively'.
Like at the end of the day, WHY was Susan Twist those people? Dreams? That's a copout. Why was she Sutekh of all people specifically? The anagram was the only real clue, nothing about her character was relevant. She was just some lady who happened to be whichever God RTD wanted her to be. It's not bad that it's predictable, it feels predictable for the wrong reasons; all meta stuff and very little character development.
The two headshots of Susan triad were clearly Easter eggs for Star Trek and game of thrones. It was Susan white walker and Susan Borg. There was no meaning other than a couple of Easter eggs.
Sutekh looked oddly adorable.
He's just a good boy that needs some pats
Given Discney Corp’s involvement, perhaps there will be a Lil’ Sutekh plush figure available in time for the holidays.
In fairness, he also looked kinda cute when he was unmasked in Pyramids of Mars too.
This was like the most hyped up and epic TV ive seen in a long time! I havent reacted like that watching a TV show since when game of thrones was good! And hey... Series 3 Master I had no idea who he was at the end of Utopia, and yet that ending was amazing to me even though I didnt know what was going on. I knew enough.
This is similar. People dont know how hes related to the doctor, but people know of the Gods and the Pantheon and that the one who waits is really bad. Then they see this and its the god of death! Ive seen quite a few reactions of people watching this who didnt know Sutekh and they still loved it.
honestly I thought this episode given its title was going to reveal that Ruby Sunday was a fictional character and the whole series had been set within the Land of Fiction.
A of red herrings, kinda of got spoiled since everyone said it could be Sutekh, did think it was the Beast for a second.
The last second red herring when Carla shouts "it's the Beast" haha
@@burgunbeerdthere’s still time for Sutekh to be a Cyberman in a mask 😅
Well the Beast was Sutekh, vocally at least
@@bintube5269or a darlek
@@burgunbeerd that would've been more horrifying, given that old Who is just a bit too camp and doesnt't have anywhere near the same impact as Billie Piper throwing the literal devil into a black hole
I really want to like this new era. I really do. There a lot of positives in this era but there are a bunch of elements that just don't vibe as well either. Doctor Who has done a 8 episode run before with 11 and Clara and that worked really well. But here, it still feels like I'm still getting to know Ncuti's Doctor and Ruby and we're already at the finale. Ncuti missing for a good chunk of this series did not help matters. I do like Morris, the new scientific advisor. I wasn't a fan of the previous advisor from the 60th sorry to say. Had more of a fun time with Morris, great acting on Lenny Rush's Part. I hope he comes back after the finale.
I still don't know where I stand with Rose as a character. Different elements in the Star Beast like the "Male Presenting Timelord" line left a sour taste when it comes to her character. Although if this was my first introduction to Rose Noble and not the Star Beast, I probably would be more onboard with her. Mind You, it did feel like she was just there in this story. Didn't really have that much to do. Probably one too many characters involved in this episode which is not exactly a bad thing but it does mean it's a struggle to make sure everyone has enough to do in this story. Mel was fantastic in this, Bonnie is firing on all cylinders here. The reveal of Sutekh was definitely good as well.
My view is, if you know classic who - he's back!
If you know NuWho: you've seen the doctor afraid/vs entities (beast/midnight/house/trickster)
Disney Who: they set up the gods, so while i can see how some might view it, i still thinks it works
Susan Twist keeps cropping up because she’s linked to Sutekh and Sutekh is linked to the TARDIS. So whenever the TARDIS goes, Sutekh goes, and Susan Twist crops up there too.
This is my take... they changed a lot to try and attract newer fans and they have to cater to the fact that on average people have far lower attention spans now. Also have you considered that she just works for unit and met 15 there?
Everything you said here is an echo of what me & my sister discussed after the episode & it should have definitely just been a 2 hour episode.
Also how funny was the "did you dream you were an ambulance" line. Laughed out loud, and I'm not sure I was meant to 😂😂
Last five minutes was the best part. This dr is more miss than hit for me sadly.
I wouldn't say it's meaningless, in fact I think it's fantastic, introducing this iconic classic villain to a WHOLE new generation and it's an inspired choice instead of the usual Daleks, Cybermen, Master, Sontarans etc, Russell is bringing back a classic villain who only appeared in one story in the 1970s, and I love that!
Fans who know all the classic material were always going to figure out any well put together reference ahead of time, and if this was done a few years back this breakdown would likely be gushing about the return of a classic villain. Calling this sort of reveal 'meaningless for most people' doesn't make you sound critical. It makes you sound small
I’m glad I watched this and the final back to back because I would have been frustrated waiting
They didn't use the volume this time. In the behind-the-scenes they described how they used projectors on gauze. I've kinda lost any investment in Doctor Who since Chibnall and it hasn't changed.
It was awesome, there simply isn't any other show like it, so holding it to standards it regularly flouts is pointless
No? Sutekh is the BEAST they are one and the same. The character had many names but the classic who Sutekh design was in the Pit cabin in an ancient drawing. Same voice actor both are called Satan and the Beast. 😂
I feel like this is just the unfortunate side effect of having a show with 60+ years of history. Sure, I had little memory of Sutekh but it felt big... introducing other god-like figures for the past episodes as well as subtle hints and references to his first appeared was the best they could do. It could've been Rani or Omega and you'd still have some fans not aware of the character due to lacking screentime and presence.
I feel like this worked because it makes sense, he was stuck at the edge of the time...saw Donna and 14...latched on...and was thusly allowed to exist once more. It's simple but a character like Sutekh makes sense to come back... they're really fucking bitter and they did swear to 4 that they'd destroy the cosmos...now they get to unleash that promise onto 15.
I've yet to watch the episode (Rogue took me 2 hours and a lot of whiskey) but I'm starting to think that RTD was never a great Who writer. Actors like Eccleston, Tennant, Piper and the rest put flesh on the skinny bones of the plot. Did anyone seriously understand his Bad Wolf arc? Or get the links between bees and missing planets? On a plus point, a mate of mine who isn't a Who fan beyond me making her watch some stuff from the 80s decided to keep watching this season to the bitter end. Sometimes before I have. Make of that what you will
Should’ve been trickster, it makes more sense
No it dosent
@@Batman69356 yes it does
@@aidendavies4648 it dosent
how can yo possibly say it makes more sense when we dont even know what happens. god this fanbase is braindead
@@monkeyatanofficedesk9253 it makes more sense
A finial is an ornamental extremity you find on curtain rods and rooftops. Finale is what you mean: "fuh•naa•lee".
Sutekh (or Set) is an evil god in ancient Egyptian mythology. He's not the creation of Doctor Who. I don't think you need to know who he is to appreciate the episode. It's explained by Harriet:
_"There is the Toymaker, the god of games. There is Trickster, the god of traps. There is Maestro, the god of music." … "And standing on high is the mother and father and other of them all. His name has been Set. And Seth. And Sithifer. And his one true name for evermore is Sutekh! Sutekh is the god of death, and by his hand, all creation shall fall into dust and ashes and ruin."_
What else do you need to know?
I don't like how they've retconned 8's Big Finish arc with Susan and his great-grandson
much like the acolyte, I cant watch doctor who anymore after I finish this season. I will continue to watch your videos though. I appreciate your takes on shows. but I did not enjoy this season over all. I thought it had a few great moments yet fundamentally lacked overall. I'm trying to care. but I find myself giving zero f@cks. And I'm kind of sad about that. I just hope Disney learns from these errors. it kind of feels like corporate oversite coming in and taking over. the show seems sterile. washed out. I don't feel the heart anymore. who knows. anyways, if you guys gush about a show or episode I will watch it!
“Disney this, Disney that”
It’s not owned by Disney buddy
@@badger_shorts7708 Disney has their fingers all over this show.
Genuinely curious as someone who thoroughly enjoyed this season, what were your issues with it? It wasn't perfect, Doctor's too emotional and Space Babies was a bit of an L but other than that I thought Devils Chord was entertaining, Boom was fantastic and suspenseful, 73 Yards was a fantastic mystery/horror almost, Dot and Bubble was pretty funny and had some good twists, nowhere near as preachy as I expected and Rogue felt like a classic RTD story that youd find in the middle of a season
@@Nitrex-zl5iq doc to emotional. did not like the doctor binary split. should have just been regen. I did not like Davros not in a wheelchair. the guy is brilliant and despite his limitations he achieved great things. usually I find the political commentary to be subtle. these messages are slapping you across the face. until this episode I wasn't believing in the doc and ruby relationship. it felt rushed and that we were missing episodes. I didn't get the whole interpretive dance in 73 yards. I was bored during that episode. I did like dot and bubble for the twists. The birds in Bridgerton were boring and wholly unscary. Over all just disappointed.
@@heavysetmedia1904 Disney do not have any creative input aside from notes which can be taken on board OR ignored depending on if the writer likes their suggestions or not.
All the doctor did was stand there with his mouth open. it was deathly boring. 'did you dream that you were an ambulance?' will go down as one of the worst lines in tv history.
You are such a Hobbit! If you didn't get a draw back to the 4th Doctor then you should not be watching Who. A 4th Doctor villain, that the 4th could not beat. The 4th could only imprison Sutehk.....now get back in yr hole Hobbit.
These guys must have watched a different episode to me
I feel like this dr episode felt dr who, the actor feels like the dr, the series started slow but this was good
Good writers over several stories earn a right to build to an epic finale. This does not feel justified.
Its totally rubbish. It doesn't answer anything. Rubys Mom was just ordinary and you could tell RTD ran out of time.
Even if you don’t know who Sutekh is, you can still understand the gravity of the situation based around the narrative as it unfolds. The stakes are there, with or without knowledge of who he is. The whole season has been built around the Pantheon, and now we’re seeing the Chief God of the Pantheon. You seem to discredit the intelligence of the average viewer. The average viewer that isn’t a fan isn’t a dunce because they dislike the show. I’ve shown people who haven’t seen a single episode of the show multiple episodes of this new season, and all of them have become fans. They didn’t know who the Toymaker was, but understood it’s a big deal that he’s there.
Spot on
imagine being this miserable
damn you guys stay complaining about the dumbest shit. are yall even fans of the show at this point?
Can they call themselves fans, if they’ve not watched a single Classic series story?
@@badger_shorts7708 i would say yes. doctor who is for everyone of any generation, you dont necessarily have to be familiar with the classics, most people my age weren’t familiar when we started in 2005, and i was still a fan. granted, i have since seen several classic episodes, but that’s not a requirement to claim the title of fan. to be a fan, u just gotta enjoy what you see. it doesnt seem like they’re enjoying themselves even a little, so why bother commenting on a show you don’t enjoy?
@@wesleyrumbelow5251 it gets them views obviously.
It’s a large fan base, with millions of videos. With such a large fan base, they’re going to get views regardless of whether they liked it or not. However, I wish they didn’t make videos about it sometimes. I agree that it seems like the two of them aren’t enjoying what they are seeing. I skimmed through most of the video and it was just nonstop complaining. When a quote unquote “Review” is just non stop complaining, it makes me switch off.
@@badger_shorts7708 agreed.
I've seen every episode of Doctor Who both classic and NuWho several times each if that appeases your gatekeepery little heart. Doesn't mean you need to agree with me though
Why the hell didn't the Tardis just materialise in UNIT HQ? why would it travel through the air like that? It was just for a dramatic entrance. Ridiculous.
Cry
The Doctor and the TARDIS *are* dramatic. It’s literally what they live for. They live to show off.
What’s wrong with a dramatic entrance? It was cool.
Maybe its the fucking god hanging off it?!?!?!?!
I have to admit as someone who's almost 60,and has been watching DW since the end of the Troughton era,and of course having watched Pyramids of Mars multiple times,still one of my favourite stories,that I did like the episode,up until that is,the Sutekh reveal,and immediately thought oh Christ it's a puppet,a child like puppet.Nowhere near as good as pyramids,there was a sutekh who was genuinely ominous .
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Have you ever heard of off screen adventures?
Or cut episodes. I do believe they cut out two episodes because of some reason.
Called it from the beginning!!, but didn't feel deserved/proud of myself. Wasn't hard to figure out 😢
I think RT is loosing the plot a little and relying far too much on the audience filling in the gaps. It is almost like he writes a story and not a script, the story he has written has a lot of the characters exposition and thoughts but it isn't necessarily transferring well to the screen. Too many of these episodes have left me going 'huh... wait, what?' Then I have to come online and watch episode breakdowns almost as long as the episode itself. It is just poor writing.
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Their now attacking the 4th Doctor era now. They’ve ruined the Brain of Morbius & the Deadly Assassin now there going for the Pyramids of Mars? What a sham
What a r/gallifrey redditor.
What a boring criticism. People who don't know the character or villain still had a massive buildup and a tense story that kept ramping up the suspense. I've seen plenty of people who had no idea who sutekh was but were genuinely frightened by the buildup and are excited about next week.
Last week I was told that I should watch Bridgerton to see why Rogue was so loved by weird Reddit fans. This week, an actual terrifying Who villain shows up from the shows past, same Reddit weirdos are giving it the “who?”. The Pyramids of Mars is not only an all time Who classic, it’s also freely available to watch on the iPlayer.
You saw them? Interesting 🤔
Exactly.
I had no idea who Sutekh was, but the whole vibe, the entire Harbinger speech, all builds tension. You can reveal a villain, but if there is no tension or just some random person announcing the arrival of the villain, the reveal is flat.
You can have all that tension and build up, then the villain is just some guy in a robe or suit and can shoot energy or whatever from his hands.
But this reveal? You can tell when it starts as Kate turns, sharp end to the score, then Harbinger starts. Builds up, lists off other gods, then Sutekh. His design is perfect. Its not just some guy or the TARDIS or someone said "a giant head poking out of the TARDIS".
It's a really weird thing to complain that you didn't understand something because you haven't watched earlier episodes of the series.
Aaaaah what was meant to be Sutekh turns out too be Goofy/Pluto the Destitute 😂
I'm convinced that was a Borg 😂
lmao no
This is just better than just some guy. Go back to r/gallifrey.
Do better then.
They can't and they know they can't. Just like the fandom menace.
That is NOT Sutekh! I guess the original humanoid Sutekh was deemed too scary, so they made that mess instead. It looks like the head of the battering ram in the Return of the King. Davies ruins everything he touches!
Sutekh inhabited Anubis in extended media I believe, maybe a comic or something, I don't remember tho
Yeah Anubekh is their kid and then they merge back with them at some point. His lore is suuuuper messy
@@captainamerica3067 yeah, there was a Missing Adventures story too. Still a poor reinvention by Davies.
Be for real, the original Sutekh looked like a skinny nosed dog. Nothing scary about that.
@@lumariadp that is CGI crap
I love how new who followers have no idea who Sutekh is. Its about time we classic who watchers get something we can relate to. How does it feel new who watchers, we have been waiting decades for this.
I really wish they had the episodes on D+ because I luckily have Pyramids Of Mars on DVD but I have no access to whatever episodes the Trickster is in or the other gods they mentioned.
That Demon Donkey is not at all scary
Wish Suhtek had returned against Capaldi or Tennant(10th).
What do you think they'd have brought to the table that Ncuti hasn't? Or is it more the era
Capaldi and Sutekh. The ultimate kick off
What is RTD's strategy here, because he seems to be contradicting himself?
I gave up with Doctor Who at the end of the Capaldi era - I watched the first few episodes of the Whittaker era but decided then it wasn't for me because of poor quality stories.
No, I am not going to complain about DEI, leftists or w*ke because I don't need to go to that depth - it just wasn't very good storytelling any longer, like many other pieces of media, including a lot written by and starring only straight people. Gender or political leanings have nothing to do with whether or not a piece of media is good or bad, it is *just* about good storytelling.
I got told at that time that Doctor Who is no longer for an "old bloke" like me - that's fine, I can move on and go do something else.
Now we're in the Gatwa era, I'm told it's even less for me because it's "Season 1" of a new reboot - again, fine with me. I just stay here "on the periphery" patiently waiting to see if there' s something new to bring be back into Doctor Who once again - nothing yet.
But why then does RTD reveal the main villain as Sutekh, which only an old bloke like me could appreciate fully from way back in the original series? Why would the "genx-er" target audience of modern Doctor Who have any clue about who Sutekh is anyway?
His strategy is that of a two part episode; build up then pay off.
DW is back, rather you hate it or not.
@@fireblade295 It looks like rubbish writing, as it has for some years now. I started to get concerned during the last year of Capaldi's tenure and got halfway through Whittaker's first season before stopping right there.
I could give a toss about "representation" or "w*ke" because I'm old enough to remember bad storytelling in TV shows and movies when they were entirely written and starring "straight white males".
Bad storytelling is just bad storytelling, at which point I shrug my shoulders and go do something else. The same was true for me with Star Trek and Star Wars to a lesser extent - enjoy the good bits, ignore the bad bits and don't give them your money to encourage them to keep churning out rubbish.
But I find great hilarity in watching the whiners on both sides attacking each other, and poking them occasionally for my own amusement.
The thing is, when you "extremists" do it on RUclips, you get views and monetisation for it. So it's in both your interests to ensure that conflict keeps going...
So keep dancing for me, monkey boy.
@@fireblade295 PS. Sorry, what grammatical construct is "rather you hate it or not"? Do you not proof read your comments?
I've seen loads of classic fans who have been enjoying this season. In fact it's WRITTEN by a classic fan (Russell T Davies)
@@friendlyotaku9525 So what? I've seen lots of people flying around on hang-gliders, it doesn't mean I care about doing it myself.
It is incredibly lucrative for people on RUclips to needlessly shit on popular culture.
Unless you're one of the big 4 that shit on everything it really isn't tbh. There's channels getting far more views and subs from hyping up the episodes and saying how great they are. Not that I'm saying those channels are lying about liking the episodes, I'm sure they loved them. I'm just saying hate doesn't get clicks like you think it does. We just made a video on our opinions on the episode
"A meaningless reveal for most people" I've seen every episode of Doctor Who, including all the ones before I was born (1981). I knew who Sutekh was immediately, it was one of the best stories from one of the best Doctors. I thought it was a thrilling reveal!
First and best 🤫
Oh wowee the real Rey Skywalker!
You’re goddamn right
Btw, all the Jedi agree with you in this review. Fell very flat for people who aren’t fans of old who. I knew who Sutekh was through RUclips so his reveal had zero emotion. Seeing Chuti acting his arse off with that terrified look when it’s revealed and I’m just set there wondering who this is and why I should care.
You guys are insufferable. How can you call the return of Sutekh meaningless? Have you not seen Pyramid of Mars? If so, wtf. If not, why are you making DW videos? 😅
This season and this episode : amazing. We are finally out of the Wilderness years w Chibnall.
Hahaha. Yeah into the era of ratings so low even Chibnall would be ashamed.
@@TheZodiacz the writing this season is far better than chibnalls, his ratings dropped from 11 million to as as low 4
@@DoctorWhoManiaProductions23 because of the changes with the TV landscape, we're still seeing it now.
I personally liked this episode
"Meaningless reveal?" Was it meaningless when the Master first returned? Viewers not familiar with classic DW had no idea who he was but they caught up. Stop whining.
You guys clearly have the new ‘fans’ all over your videos, crying into their meds packets lol.
This show is dead and useless to me. Too woke.
Don’t watch then
People like you are dead and useless to me. Too obsessed with "woke" 24/7.
@@Bcp123 like thousands aren't
How the hell was that episode woke?
I want to see it cancelled! Then hopefully someone decent picks it up and writes proper stories that are not happy meal, gay, woke crap drama
Love these clueless videos made by hopeless muppets thinking they DW experts, makes me laugh every time. 😅😅😅😅😅
Tell me about it.
In my opinion, you can't call yourself a true fan or expert on Who, if you haven't seen anything from the classic series
@@badger_shorts7708 no one likes a fandom gatekeeper
@@badger_shorts7708You can be a fan without seeing the original. Expert, no. Fan, yes.
Shut up lil man don’t diss the Steven
Shut up