Rogue Just Set Twitter On Fire! We Disagree... | Rogue : Doctor Who Review / Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Doctor Who: Rogue is a HUGE HIT and a CANON BREAKING MESS according to Twitter / X. Come with Dan and Steven and you'll see a world of pure imagination that is this weeks episode and if its actually any good (plot twist we didn't like it)
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Was this episode a jewel in the crown of Doctor Who, or a love story better left untold?
We really need to get back to the 13 episodes per season - having a combination of independent adventures that sprinkle in the hierarchy of the plot while we get invested in the new doctor and his companion(s). These short seasons make it hard to really get any sort of emotional attachment to the characters and makes them so underdeveloped. I enjoyed this episode as a one off adventure but wish there would have either been more to it or it would have been just an introduction to the future encounters with rouge and build that tension. Loved it but there was missed opportunity. Hopefully they go back to the 13 episodes per season.
The lack of any form of inner conflict or actual doctor/ruby conflict really came through in this episode for me. Everything is just... Quite smooth? Aside from the odd "fake death" scene from Ruby or someone else
Rogue should've just used the 5th Evil Bird Emily to knock Ruby out of the trap instead of himself. Ez fix
He didn’t know she wasn’t a chuldur until the doctor said it, did you not watch the episode? If so I’d suggest you watch that scene and count how many were in the triangle and how many the doctor set it to as well hint: it’s more than 5
@@DoctorWhoManiaProductions23 I think they mean after BirdEmily showed up?
You guys basically summed up my thoughts on this episode, and some of the trends over this season. No hatred, just opinions with explanations to support them. Very nice video!
You guys are being a bit harsh on this episode. You've spent weeks asking for a classic Doctor Who episode and we got one. The relationship between Rogue and the Doctor did take up a fair amount of the episode but we got a decent amount of the Doctor doing classic doctor things, even running, which I think might be the first time of the season. We got a classic Doctor Who villain. Ruby finally did something other than exist. Bridgerton was a decent backdrop for the episode. The motives of everyone made sense. The doctor actually solved the problem.
My main negative of this episode was that rogue magically pushed ruby out of the trap which was a bit inconsistent with what they had previously established. And I kinda wish the doctor would stop inviting people to travel with him, he did it to the toymaker too, then in this and in dot and bubble.
It's entirely possible we are being overly critical on it because the relationship didn't land for us and that felt so pivotal to the episode. Like instead of a lackluster ending to something it was a very flat middle. It's above Space babies for me (Dan) at least. But a full season rewatch once it's all out is definitely going to happen
I don't totally mind a conflict-free relationship. It worked all right in the "Thin Man" movies. But we'll see.
Yes, I had this problem with Ten also, asking everyone to go with him. I know it's infinitely big in the Tardis, but do you really need a small town in there?
The Doctor didn't solve the problem, Rouge did
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I guess kinda, but it definitely feels like he contributed more to the solution on this than any of the others
This episode screams missed potential, mainly because of how short the season is. I like Rogue but if he stayed for a couple episode before getting banished to some other dimension, then his and the doctors relationship could really get worked on.
Also that part were the doctor has a flashback to a conversation with Ruby's mom could have had a lot more punch, if that convo did not happen off-screen.
These two things really feels like something that were supposed to be expanded upon but couldn't, because there is only 8 episodes and we are going to the Twist at the end now.
Yeah the season feels like it's barely begun and now we are going to get a pretty out of nowhere Twist that I'm sure RTD will yadayada away to make it sound integral
I feel like this was the most watchable of the new season. Rogue had the potential to bring some Jack Harkness energy back to Doctor Who. My one issue was how quickly the Dr seemed to fall for him, seeing as how Rogue demonstrated a lack of critical thinking/curiosity and a willingness to kill before even properly verifying he had the right person. Those wouldn't be traits the Dr likes, meaning I guess he was just going off pure physical attraction? It certainly took him much longer to develop a connection with Rose or River Song for instance. It feels more in character for the Doctor to take a long time to open up, given his history of losing people.
why? I don't get this episode at all. This new iteration of the doctor run by Disney has me baffled. I'm so confused, and conflicted. I really am starting to think that this show isn't for me anymore. I'm having trouble being able to put words to it too. I came into doctor who in 2005. and I'm my experience, the doctor isn't sexual. at all. He does kiss people, yet he is always awkward and perplexed. the closest I think he came to really having a relationship was with Rose. They absolutely loved each other but it was grown over a few seasons and believable. It really feels like there are way too many cooks in the kitchen for this run of the show. I am having trouble believing the doctors and Rubys relationship. I don't think they have chemistry. I keep watching and week after week I am finding my enjoyment waning. I'm going to have to watch the rest of the season then have another watch and really get my thoughts together. And I don't care about all the Doctor being gay. I loved torchwood. I loved all that. it was subtle, not slap you across the face with it. I don't know. maybe I should just go outside and touch grass for a while?
Idk for me I just enjoy all doctor who, I started with classic and it had a lot of trash lol. But many great episodes, the show has always had very great episodes and bad ones. Writing that doesn’t make sense or add up, heck could have been written better if they looked at it twice. The 1996 tv movie added kissing in and after that lol, the doctor has been kissing people and “dancing” does it bother me eh. I think it makes a conflict where the doctor doesn’t wanna fall in love with anyone that won’t see the doctor for themselves, because when the Doctor inevitably regenerates they are scared they won’t see them as the same person anymore. That’s why River was perfect cause she is Timelord. But basically show changes and goes back and forth, in my case I just roll with it and enjoy it hasn’t ended again
Probably because it’s not run by Disney and you are just too deep on the internet and the bigot views are everywhere.
Let’s make it clear: Disney is not in charge of the show. It’s still owned by the bbc
Sure I bet that’s all it is
You guys have quickly become one of my favorite channels! Glad you’re here.
woah woah woah big call! haha. Thankyou!
This episode really was just death by a thousand cuts for me. Was there a reason Rogue's ship bird shaped when the baddies were also birds? The Doctor putting Rogue's ring on his pinkie especially with all the other rings on his hands felt weirdly insulting and demeaning more like "another fine addition to my collection" than something to remember him by. Also definitely agree about Rogue and the Doctor having very little chemistry, it all just felt awkward, but then I'm always weirded out when TV show characters jump into romantic relationships that fast so that might be a me thing. Also I hate when shows do this, especially monster of the week ones; focusing on a topic like racism so heavily last week only to completely drop it this week when the episode is set in 1813 lessens the impact because you made us think about racism and now you're ignoring it, retroactively lessening the severity of what happened in Dot and Bubble.
Steven had about a 5 minute bit on the racism last week then 1813 this week that you mentioned but it was left on the cutting room floor, we decided that they ultimately get away with it because Bridgerton gets away with it and it's carried on. And also maybe devils chord was meant to be between them. But also yes it is an odd thing for them to do
The Doctor in "Girl in the Fireplace" told Mme. de Pompadour to pack; he was going to take her with him and didn't tell her no. He was also pretty okay with staying on the slow path with her when it seemed he might get stuck there. I mean, I don't really love it, but it's interesting you don't think he was that invested. I like the idea of his not being invested, really.
Everything is just a poor imitation of what came before, am I the only one who thought their dance scene was a rip off of the torchwood episode captain Jack harkness where Jack dances with the guy he got his name from in the 1940s before they end up kissing?
THANK YOU for calling out the superficial servicing for gay twitter and the gay community. As a young gay fan myself, I’m happy that they want to include gay relationships - and tbh I totally did take a shine to Rogue - but not at the expense of the character dynamic integrity or the overall quality of the show. I’d rather have something meaningful than quick. It all smacks of cosplaying as the gay/queer experience.
I didn't think Jonathan Groff... Fit? He just seemed quite flat and uncharismatic.
Same here. I also didn't detect any of the Groff/Gatwa "chemistry" that some commentators are raving about.
"Kate and the other chick" ... absolutely nailed the research for this Vid lads!
We don't get Unleashed in Aus so we have to wait for YT to upload any BTS stuff. Plus this is a chat immediately after watching the episode, we don't research every cast and crew name, that'd be boring
@@burgunbeerd if only the names were on the episode eh?
Did you notice Rogue's bir ship is an hommage to the "Lost cities of gold" anime with Esteban, Zia, Tao
"Le Grand Condor" from "Les Mysterieuses Citees D'or"
I've never watched Bridgerton (I dont live in the UK), and until this episode has no idea what it was so the whole show was flat for me, especially after the excellent Dot and Bubble episode focusing on racism.
To me, this episode could have continued that theme and would have been excellent. The baddies were quite rubbish too, like, I wasnt particular scared of them.
The romance, I dunno, does the doctor fall in love in one episode? Is he that careless? The whole situationship felt so heavy handed and fake.
I dunno. I was really bored by the whole thing.
Do any non Anglophones even know what Bridgerton is? Or would they be going "wtf is this?!" Like me?
They should havementionned Downtown Abbey, The Tudors, the Musketeers tv show (capaldi was in it ffs - as well a FUTURE Doctor Who regeneration Howard Charles!!!) But for the LORE : The Toymaker played with the timeline ! So he let Richard E Grant as the Great intelligence take over the War Doctor after the 8th regenerated (Or didnt do the war) And thus this alternate timeline has been canonized!!!! Great intelligence in the timeline, takes over the doctor and becomes the shalka doctor in that other timeline from which the floating head comes !
But the War Doctor and Ecclestone are both in the hologram too
@@burgunbeerd Grant in another reality was the 9th, in the reality before 2005 when they made the big finish SHALKA doictor or the movie, and then the reality we know happened... but canonically they made Grant the Shalka doctor 9th alternate doctor CANONIZED for the show now
@@burgunbeerd it is a proof canonical;ly that Russell DID make theDocto rWhomniverse (Omniverse = universe of all multiverses, this is the everything in all parallel worlds and dimensions so WHOMniverse if the DW omniverse)
I remember him from Glee!
Jack was a scam artist, not really a bounty hunter.
we got a lot in church on ruby road, in Space babies the ending part he feels like eccleston and apaldi having care (capaldi for his tree lady lover he lost in the fire, and Capaldi his Lady friend T-Rex in deep breath. His tears when she dies.)
I think this fine not great but fine. This should have come earlier in the season.
This would have been great as episode 2, save the big ruby scenes for later and gave us a classic simple 2nd story
I've said this a few times, but the dance scene reminded me of the dance scene in the first season of _Interview with the Vampire._
Using an alternative 9th Doctor feels like a deliberate escalation of the feud between Eccleston and Bad Wolf?
the 3rd Doctor is from Dimmensions in Time the 3D episode mashup with East enders. Which Canonizes this episode!
Like how they canonized The Scream of the shalk doctor = which is explainbed in a timeline where great intelligence overtakes the doctor look but not mind!
This is a reference to the episode "family of blood" where Tennant canonized by drawing Paul Mcgann's doctor in his diary in the show the yet non canonized 8th !!
I never saw Bridgerton. I don't know if that affects watching this episode. Does Bridgerton have pop music sequences and modern language or was this Doctor Who?
When the aliens stood in the triangle, couldn't Rogue just shoot them with his gun that he used to arrest the Doctor earlier in the episode? Sounds a bit horrible, but certainly better then dropping Ruby with them.
Bridgerton does do classical covers of modern songs yeah, and they have some modern language but try to keep it a bit more fanciful.
And yeah they had about 30 other options with the triangle but yanno, Doctor needs to cry instead of problem solve so that Rogue can sacrifice himself
Ruby is so unposh, but maybe you have a point that they're hearing her as posh because of the Tardis (or even the magic earrings).
I think they're showing them nonlinearly -- if there is such a thing as linearly on _Doctor Who -- so people can't use it as a way to place the Fugitive and Shalka Doctors.
Briony Redman is the other writer.
I think it's kind of funny how you're going on about how quickly it took the doctor to kiss Rogue when we've seen the Doctor kiss females much more quickly... Queen Elizabeth comes to mind. And I wonder if maybe men who don't have any interested men just don't on screen chemistry, I don't know. My daughter and I thought they were well matched and she's not interested in men, so? I would agree that the episode felt too short, I don't think that it was unrealistic the way they built it up compared to previous episodes where the doctor had some kind of on-screen entanglement- Like the girl in the fireplace. It would have been nice to have a full hour, But you got to work with what you're given. And you keep talking about how you didn't like Loki and Kate herron was on Loki. According to IMDb, she's credited as only directing, not writing Loki. Writing and directing really aren't the same thing. Especially since her writing was going to be overseen by the showrunner anyway because everybody knows that the showrunner for Doctor Who has overall edit on whatever happens on the show- Neil Gaiman has been pretty vocal about his unhappiness about the final edit of one of his scripts that he wrote for Doctor Who.
Usually it's women kissing him. A s the speed of the kiss isn't so much our issue as the lack of time it took to fall in love and form a seemingly incredibly meaningful relationship with him. Its less than even the whole "2 hot leads get together after a life threatening experience ala 'Speed' kinda deal"
I've definitely seen on screen male to male chemistry work before, people are people.
Herron was director and EP for all of Loki s1 so it would've been much more than just standard tv directing, she's said before she spent over 3 years working on it. So she was probably closer to a showrunner at that point. I don't blame her directly for the episodes short comings, that definitely does fall with RTD as god king emperor of all Who
Thats different though, it isnt implied they are madly in love. He tried to make this into a soul mate type scenario but didnt put any of the groundwork.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 You're right, I didn't see it that way, though. I can see not seeing it having it having earned it if that's what you felt the episode was trying to payoff.
I saw it more as one of those times you meet someone and, they're just so incredible... They're hot and they seem to find you hot and everything is working... And the. For some reason you don't have a way to contact them again... But you really hope to see them again.
@@burgunbeerd I understand that it's a very short time to fall in love. But kissing doesn't mean you fell in love. It just means you're admitting your attraction... What I saw at the end of the episode was someone who had just met someone who he really liked, had just had a really fun adventure with him, had been really looking forward to traveling with him and was incredibly upset and disappointed that that wasn't going to happen. But he wasn't heartbroken or hadn't lost his love... Love takes time. Like at least a season, maybe two?.
Jack was a con artist, having been a Time Agent.
I just felt it was pretty... formulaic? Typical set up, Ruby nearly dies, doctor cries, shallow relationship/chemistry, fast pace, slightly confusing? I adored the doctors previous relationship to Madame DuPompador, but his relationship with Rogue should/could have been just as deep and beautiful and heartbreaking but I just don't think the writing gave it enough depth. I wish I had been able to cry too
yeah it 100% relied on the Doctor / Rogue relationship and if that doesn't land then i can see it being a pretty low ranking episode
I loved loki! I liked this Doctor who episode, too.
Weird title. Are you disagreeing that Twitter was set afire?
Titles are hard haha. And yes I'd say we disagree with WHY it was set ablaze
ROGUE?? It is a HARRY POTTERname! hahahaha!
it is the french name of Severus Snape
Severus Rogue!!
"Miss" Whistledown. Haha.
OMG!! do you guys like anything?
Really enjoyed Dot and Bubble and one of us really liked Boom
1920s would have been fun.
alan davies and sue perkins had a kid?
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