Halo Lore Expert Reacts to Halo Season 2 | Halo TV Series Finale

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  • Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
  • Owen is a Halo Lore Expert and superfan! He joins us today to talk everything Halo and Halo TV Series including season 2.
    Maybe he can shed some light on what went wrong or why we should like it in this pseudo review / discussion
    #halo #halotvseries #paramountplus

Комментарии • 321

  • @xSupajesusX
    @xSupajesusX 6 месяцев назад +100

    This is BARELY a book adaption and it does a huge disservice to the lore the novels have established

    • @Drkwll
      @Drkwll 6 месяцев назад +1

      Not even an adaption at all at this point.

    • @TheEthanofnazareth
      @TheEthanofnazareth 6 месяцев назад +1

      I was gonna comment and say the same. I wouldn’t even consider it a book adaptation.

    • @jonathandeatherage1465
      @jonathandeatherage1465 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@TheEthanofnazareth yea it's not even close to the books.

  • @m.taylor7025
    @m.taylor7025 6 месяцев назад +166

    The fact that they couldn't be bothered to either look at the games' stories or at least consult some nerd who has, should literally be a crime...

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +24

      What's insane is they actually have people in the credits listed as HALO CANON TECHNICAL CONSULTANT - KENNETH PETERS, HALO TRANSMEDIA PRODUCER, CHERYL MARINE, SENIOR HALO FRANCHISE MANAGER - CORRINNE ROBINSON
      No idea if these people actually do their jobs or not but yeah haha

    • @yearight5050
      @yearight5050 6 месяцев назад +3

      @burgunbeerd there is a reason they are there and you are stuck doing a RUclips show for less then 600 people and they are making a show that is liked by millions. Your opions are in echo in a camber of an empty void.

    • @NaniMetrix
      @NaniMetrix 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@yearight5050 They are just comparing stuff.....chill out man. LOL

    • @larssonk22
      @larssonk22 6 месяцев назад

      @@burgunbeerd how much of their suggestions are taken on board, execs can just overrule, that's how we got the Master Chief a commiting war crime by banging Convenant spies.

    • @JohnSmith-sj7io
      @JohnSmith-sj7io 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@burgunbeerdi could write a better script for the whole series in a single day.

  • @joels978
    @joels978 6 месяцев назад +111

    This is an obnoxious interview. Just let the dude explain the lore without interrupting constantly

    • @mitchyoung4173
      @mitchyoung4173 6 месяцев назад +9

      I think they did but the editing is super choppy and quick? Idk I had the same impression

    • @WarriorKidd06
      @WarriorKidd06 6 месяцев назад +16

      I’m with you. It’s very irritating how they keep asking questions but won’t let the man talk

    • @xCrimsonxTidex
      @xCrimsonxTidex 6 месяцев назад +8

      Modern discourse in a nutshell.

    • @wojak831z3
      @wojak831z3 6 месяцев назад +1

      Very annoying

  • @alexkogan9755
    @alexkogan9755 6 месяцев назад +55

    For comparison, Jurassic Park is a good example of an adaptation that’s different from the book but still acts in the spirit of it and is good. “Halo” is what happens when you decide to not only ditch everything that makes the source material of the game appealing but also doing it oh so very badly. And to the tourists saying “but muh different timeline”, F off, different timeline is not a valid excuse for shite. Remember Cowboy Bebop? Yeah, that one crashed and burned harder than an asteroid for the exact same reason.

    • @shotnuke
      @shotnuke 6 месяцев назад +6

      100% agree some people try to say ohh they follow the books and I say that’s like making lord of the rings all 3 books plus the hobbit in 1 season and all you have to go off of is the cliff notes. Then when it’s completely different say well it’s an adaptation. An adaptation actually adapts real story from the source material not whatever they gave us. Idk why people don’t see that.

    • @alexkogan9755
      @alexkogan9755 6 месяцев назад +9

      @@shotnuke Heck nevermind the game, they don’t even follow the books correctly either even as an adaptation. The Lord of the Rings is also a good example of “adaptation done right” (except Rings of Power, honestly RoP is just as bad as Paramount’s Halo).

    • @shotnuke
      @shotnuke 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@alexkogan9755 yeah I haven’t read all the halo books but I got the first 3 down and some guy tried telling me I obviously didn’t read all 30 books and that the show is good because it follows them. He argued that they added characters that are in later books and he didn’t want to wait 15 years to see these characters. But the show runners purposely avoided all source material and even if they tried this for season 2 the pacing is super bad to shove 30 books of shit in 8 episodes or whatever lmao. Like what each book gets 1 min of representation in each episode lol. I think he was just saying there’s 30 books I doubt he actually read any of them cause once I said they stated they didn’t and that I know these two season don’t follow the books cause I read the stories they’re “adapting”. he just fell back to well they changed the show runner in season 2 lol.

    • @alexkogan9755
      @alexkogan9755 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@shotnuke I read the 6 Bungie novels, the short story omnibus, and got roughly two books into the 343 stuff before I gave up, because trying to keep tabs on 343’s storylines started feeling like homework.

    • @shotnuke
      @shotnuke 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@alexkogan9755 lmao sounds about right. I was rooting for 343 when they first took over halo but after seeing their work and how it’s just gotten worse I just have no hope left.

  • @mrcrowe1848
    @mrcrowe1848 6 месяцев назад +61

    1:11 oh god a battle rifle!
    editor: zooms in on an assault rifle

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +6

      Yeah probably should've had Owen check the edit too

    • @jacobferrera1777
      @jacobferrera1777 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@burgunbeerd😂 I actually thought it was hilarious

    • @bryceallen98K
      @bryceallen98K 6 месяцев назад

      @@burgunbeerd yeah might miss A DETAIL FRAM THE GAAAAMEESSS god damn I hate halo fans XD

  • @TJVBernal
    @TJVBernal 6 месяцев назад +15

    10:27 it's also in halo 4, meeting with librarian. "I hid seeds from the Didact. Seeds that would lead to and eventuality. Your physical evolution, your combat skin, even your ancilla Cortana. You are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning"
    You guys got it right. That stuff shouldve been subtle and only to be blatantly stated by either librarian or halsey herself, as she did pick up on the breadcrumbs.

  • @Xadov
    @Xadov 6 месяцев назад +28

    The show runners are ignorant of the military and allergic to the idea of presenting the UNSC or military in general as a positive thing

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +9

      That's modern writers for ya

    • @paihobbes8680
      @paihobbes8680 6 месяцев назад +1

      The reason the show writers don't honour it is because they are ignorant of the fact that they can sit around and write a show because so many people gave their lives to fight for their freedom to sit around and write bad shows.

    • @Yudjin42
      @Yudjin42 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@paihobbes8680 You might want to change your profile pic.
      Guy Fawkes wasn't exactly a pro army dude.

    • @larssonk22
      @larssonk22 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Yudjin42 watch see if he changes it to the Punisher
      😂

    • @markgrehan3726
      @markgrehan3726 6 месяцев назад

      @@Yudjin42 How? he wasn't pro-reformation but he was a soldier.

  • @Jack-ox3rd
    @Jack-ox3rd 6 месяцев назад +30

    It’s a wiki book adaption, they really are just replacing important plot threads and creating completely different stories

    • @LeoInterVir
      @LeoInterVir 6 месяцев назад +2

      It's not book based in any normal sense of the word.
      They are grabbing random plot points and settings out of context.
      Like a chicken picking at the ground for worms.
      The show is its own haphazard lore, a horrible facsimile.

    • @Jack-ox3rd
      @Jack-ox3rd 6 месяцев назад

      @@LeoInterVir Agreed but this is me being nice and said they read the wiki

  • @Headcase650
    @Headcase650 6 месяцев назад +9

    Throughout the Halo games and books Chief's character has grown and has shown some emotion but he's always remained stoic. In Halo 4 when Captain Rios was screaming at him to surrender Cortana he kept his cool. Like an optimus prime type character. Master Chief in the TV series is a bipolar guy with a mangina!

  • @Achillezbak
    @Achillezbak 6 месяцев назад +38

    Not a single Grunt in season 2. Unforgivable

    • @D.Revealus
      @D.Revealus 6 месяцев назад +2

      actally there are.... in the episode 8... 2 next to the turret on the corvette🙄

    • @billyhopkins10
      @billyhopkins10 6 месяцев назад +2

      Barely enough. In the Reach episode they had Elite’s running straight into bullets.
      I thought the whole point of Grunts was because they were cannon fodder. It is still not enough. It’s like they just did it to save money because they went all in on the elite CGI.

    • @Mr_Rontendo
      @Mr_Rontendo 5 месяцев назад

      If Chief doesn't pop a Grunt so it explodes into confetti, I'm done.

  • @saintpsu
    @saintpsu 6 месяцев назад +21

    I've felt like the Master Cheeks's Halo was written by someone who hates Halo so much but the writer was forced to include things from the game to attract fans so he did so reluectantly and as less as possible, just enough to satisfy the fans as less as possible. Just to string you along. Just so you continue the subscription.
    .
    Combine this with the fact that they were not aiming to make excellent content (you want to see excellent Halo movie? Forward Until Dawn is an exemplary example.) but aiming to prolong your subscription as long as possible, at least to make their quarterly figures look good. As a result, you have a total shit as a show as Master Cheeks' Halo.
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    PS. the Halo games are the core content of Halo series, not the books, not that the books aren't good, they are excellenct. But those books are supplementary of the games, not the other way around.

    • @ivanespino8610
      @ivanespino8610 6 месяцев назад +1

      I don’t know if it’s so much that the writers hate the games as much as they saw an opportunity to push their own original characters (Kwan as a prime example) and at the same time completely disregarding the actual “Halo” stuff

  • @aneh8029
    @aneh8029 6 месяцев назад +23

    Spartan II’s were literally created to un-alive insurrections. Fun Fact.

  • @1death9091
    @1death9091 6 месяцев назад +27

    1:33 They're VK78 Commandos from Infinite, I didn't catch it at first glance either mainly because it doesnt have the sight on it

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +14

      Owens response, "Well fuck me dead, they are too."
      You have outnerded him and must take his place

    • @grahamhill676
      @grahamhill676 6 месяцев назад +5

      It's ight. Everyone forgot about infinite.

  • @billyhopkins10
    @billyhopkins10 6 месяцев назад +6

    Should anyone be surprised with the Halo TV show direction the executive producer is Kiki Wolfkill. 11:16 well Halo 4, Halo 5 and this TV show both have Kiki Wolfkill as the producer.
    Even before Halo 4’s release in 2011 Kiki Wolfkill said in an interview that Master Chief is emotional and is a human, not a machine. She has consistently drove 343 Industries in this direction with the games and now the Paramount TV Show.
    It’s all consistent with the vision of the people in charge.

    • @caliginousmoira8565
      @caliginousmoira8565 6 месяцев назад

      i like halo 4. i don't have much to say about MP because i only played MP because others wanted me to.

  • @JohnMackeyIII
    @JohnMackeyIII 6 месяцев назад +30

    Halo expert here!
    I tell you that they are nowhere near the books or the game

    • @paihobbes8680
      @paihobbes8680 6 месяцев назад +6

      Can confirm as well.
      It's a random mish mash of Halo artefacts bent and twisted into a horribly illogical dumpster fire mutant.

    • @chadthomson2169
      @chadthomson2169 6 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly. The main expert has obviously forgotten a lot or didn't read.

    • @Degeneratesociety83
      @Degeneratesociety83 6 месяцев назад +1

      The TV show was basically written by the Gravemind after he injected the flood into the games and books.

  • @rebeccamartinez6014
    @rebeccamartinez6014 6 месяцев назад +7

    If Paramount is going to flow into Halo 1 moving forward, then they already screwed themselves by changing characters, maps, species, and equipment they NEED.

    • @havard847
      @havard847 6 месяцев назад +1

      They are not really following lore yknow.. So if you expect them going lore wise your setting yourself upp to be annoyed. Just watch it and dont think loore, its good then in my opininon. Not season 1 tho that was bad

    • @rebeccamartinez6014
      @rebeccamartinez6014 6 месяцев назад +1

      its difficult not to think lore but i hear ya. Your last sentence made me laugh lol@@havard847

    • @havard847
      @havard847 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@rebeccamartinez6014 yeah i get it, i struggled a bit in season 1 but i accepted it wont be lore and in season 2 me and my girl who never playd the games had fun watching it and now we are playing the games and just did ce and starting on halo 2👌 and even she does think it would ne better with helmet on more but its fine honestly once i got used to it

    • @rebeccamartinez6014
      @rebeccamartinez6014 6 месяцев назад

      im glad people are enjoying it. hopefully itll pave way for better adaptations to emerge that follow the lore. i would like to see more not just from the games cinematics but boks as well
      @@havard847

  • @danielvandusen5724
    @danielvandusen5724 6 месяцев назад +2

    The writers of the show and Kiki Wolfkill hated the Bungie lore and history because they thought it "glorified the military and war".
    That is why the military is cartoonishly evil. They put their ideology before the story. The big question should be, who in the hell thought it was a good idea to put people that actively hated Bungies stories and lore and put them in charge of adapting it to tv?
    The show never had a chance.

  • @chadthomson2169
    @chadthomson2169 6 месяцев назад +12

    Who are the experts? An expert would know the game and the books, especially since there is so much lore in the books. We are basically at ghost of onyx and the 1st halo game at the same time.

  • @markgrehan3726
    @markgrehan3726 6 месяцев назад +4

    I don't see Mater Chief fighting against the military complex honestly as he just ignores orders full stop and gets away with it over and over again. The whole soldier/military aspect in the show is a bad joke. I still don't understand why in the second season Chief feels a need for Cortana as they didn't get along for season one. I also don't see why they have brought in the Flood so soon we have barely spent any real time on the Covenant war, especially it being a war that's so deadly humanity is at risk of extinction. The show is a mid tier science fiction show with some cool moments but a half arsed plot if you stop to think about it for a couple of minutes.

  • @Vilecultist
    @Vilecultist 6 месяцев назад +8

    they should have made one season for each book tbh. pacing would have felt great and had the chance to flesh out character properly.

  • @JohnMackeyIII
    @JohnMackeyIII 6 месяцев назад +7

    The halo season writers had the simplest task in all of the world. A freaking infantile dimwit could’ve put a TV show series together, based on Lore far better than the Paramount writers did. Paramount and the Garbage writers purposefully wrote their own story therefore, it is nothing like the books or the game.
    Uh I think these experts are questionable! 3s were older but still far more powerful than a normal soldier!
    Just the discussion about 3s or 4s explains the writers were horrible and did not keep with lore😂

  • @albertprincemensah3679
    @albertprincemensah3679 6 месяцев назад +5

    I've read some of the books, this show is barely based on the books. It shat on both the books and games. If it was actually based on the books it would have been a lot better

  • @ArchAnto
    @ArchAnto 6 месяцев назад +4

    This was actually really cool to see you pick someone brain about the books vs games vs the show

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад

      Maybe it needs to become a series for us

  • @FromTacoma
    @FromTacoma 6 месяцев назад +3

    If I find myself asking someone if I should like a TV show or not, I have given up on individuality. The Gravemind is real.

    • @fabianperez2252
      @fabianperez2252 6 месяцев назад

      Lmao Gravemind would be terrified of the Halo show

  • @tsmspace
    @tsmspace 6 месяцев назад

    just because ackerson was working on the threes for years, doesn't mean there were actually any spartans until the last moment. He could have been working out the method and equipment used to rapidly recruit and train into spartans, so that they could be produced very quickly and at a higher rate,, and then once disaster struck reach they activated the program to fully operational, recruited a bunch of existing marines, and put them through "ackersons boot camp". This would make sense for many things, including all of them being very committed no matter what the cost, and perez being there on such short notice.

  • @Nichrysalis
    @Nichrysalis 6 месяцев назад +1

    "I guess the games got more story focused later on and less bang bang-"
    Honestly, it's the opposite. Yes, Chief gets more emotionally vulnerable in the 343 games, but an emotionally vulnerable character =/= does not mean automatically good story. The first 3 games are an allegory for religious zealotry and Chief is a good stoic character because he amplifies and contrasts the emotion and personality of the characters around him. It's a master stroke in storytelling, the environments are practically their own character (think the Halos, Reach, Ark, New Mombasa, High Charity).

  • @Naomi-gr7fm
    @Naomi-gr7fm 6 месяцев назад

    About AI taking over armor: Most Spartans were weary about AI. Chief wasnt even all that sold on Cortana until i believe it was said First Strike and was weary about an AI being able to comtrol him. Fred actually did have his armor "taken over" by a forerunner ancilla (Intrepid Eye) but from what I've read it seemed more controlling the pressurization to affect his movements versus being able to fully control his impulses so I guess it was limited and very jerky. I still need to read it for myself. In relation to Chief, Cortana greatly enhances his reaction time, can bolster his armor's capabilities, and make split second decisions by the merit of faster processing. Cortana saved Chief from the Flood early on when one infection form found a gap to pierce into his neck. Chief thought he was done, but Cortana made a split second decision to surge power through his suit which killed fhe infection form and saved Chief's life. So at best (Human) AI enhance the armor's capabilities but have no basis of physically controlling its operator.

  • @UNSCarmory17
    @UNSCarmory17 6 месяцев назад +1

    The spartan 3s look like they’re using Commando rifles from infinite?

  • @Thekingcmk
    @Thekingcmk 6 месяцев назад +3

    It "feels" like its more based of books but the issue is instead of it being one book and the next season being another book. Each episode is like they took 10 pages of each book and smashed it together. If the Show was fully based around the books I would have no issue but it seems like people who know nothing of the universe cant make up there mnind to do there own thing or base it fully off the books or games.

  • @docdingus6961
    @docdingus6961 6 месяцев назад +2

    Its amazing to me that they botched the show this badly. A liqoured up variant of the Chat AI could have wiped its ass with a piece of printer paper and produced a better adaptation of the material.

  • @CaptainDJ_VT
    @CaptainDJ_VT 4 месяца назад

    Jesus Halo, I live for your thumbnail

  • @Haze_EternaI
    @Haze_EternaI 6 месяцев назад

    I like how some RUclipsr cgi’d to have his helmet on the whole episode
    Best clip ever

  • @YoSora1313
    @YoSora1313 6 месяцев назад +1

    Halo TV never Impresses to make me angry. Got introduced to the flood finally
    Get this. THEY ARE JUST ZOMBIES. How can this shit be so creatively bankrupt ? With such good source Material.
    The people writing the Halo Show better not be planning to make a cure to THE FLOOD...
    Context: Halsey is infected
    The whole point of the flood was that it was unstoppable and they had to make giant space rings just to starve them not kill them starve them I swear this show needs to get cancelled.
    And get this. Humans Release the Flood. Not The Covenant.They found the flood on Onyx. Onyx seriously ? You know the Shield world THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO PROTECT it's inhabitants from the flood..

  • @Yudjin42
    @Yudjin42 6 месяцев назад +1

    Shoutout to Samuel Kim for the music !
    It's MWAH, chef's kiss.

  • @lewismurdock1839
    @lewismurdock1839 6 месяцев назад +2

    Damn the expert can't get a damn word in!!

  • @TyraSnipes
    @TyraSnipes 5 месяцев назад

    The spartan 3s at the start are using a VK-78 commando , which is in Halo Infinite and in the lore saw use as early as 2495

  • @Korsav0
    @Korsav0 6 месяцев назад

    Your setup made me think ya'll had like 80k subs. Good studio and somewhat decent editing guys. One of these days you'll get big.

  • @metpach
    @metpach 6 месяцев назад +4

    It's bad fanfiction. Its not even a good sci-fi show, let alone a good Halo show.

  • @larssonk22
    @larssonk22 6 месяцев назад +1

    Why are they trying to catch up with the game, this sounds like the same logic that turned the DCU into a disaster by trying to catchup with the MCU. They're skimming over the best material because they don't know if it will be renewed???

  • @phantommauler3602
    @phantommauler3602 4 месяца назад

    I feel like the biggest plot issue for season 2 gets stepped over here at 31:10.
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    Original game and novel lore: Flood infects most of the galaxy, Forerunners try their best to fight it, but they fail, create the Halo rings as a last resort, and use them to wipe out all sentient life in the Galaxy including themselves, in order to starve the parasite of its food. Once done, the AI of the Forerunners reseeded life across the Milkyway, leaving only the ruins and ancient structures and the AI that ran those installations, as any evidence of the existence of their culture. (THE HALO RINGS EXIST TO DEPRIVE THE FLOOD OF FOOD, BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SIMPLE DISEASE THAT CAN BE CURED.)
    TV show S2: Flood appears, infects a scientist, and is dealt with fairly quickly by HUMAN medicine, for what should be the beginning of the final boss of the original trilogy. (IF THE FLOOD WAS THAT EASY TO CURE, WHY DID THE FORERUNNERS MAKE THE RINGS??? WHY DO THEY EXIST???)
    Thus leaving the Halo rings as mere magical weapons/objects that everyone wants to find and use for their own means, despite not actually knowing anything about them, and their ultimate purpose that could have been revealed now makes no sense.

  • @destructo2300
    @destructo2300 6 месяцев назад +3

    Wonder if Mass Effect franchise would get this treatment. If so, I would hold off until we can ppl who are actual fans to take inspiration and build off the source material

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      Pray it gets stuck in pre-production for at least the next 5 years

  • @WraithSharks
    @WraithSharks 6 месяцев назад +1

    Killing the Arbiter off was a big mistake in my opinion and killed the show even more

  • @Xtermenator217
    @Xtermenator217 6 месяцев назад +2

    The spartan 3s are using a commando from halo infinite

  • @kimoradabreeder
    @kimoradabreeder 6 месяцев назад +2

    Just plainly.They don't want the grand ideas of the original Halo material to infect people's mind like One Piece.Gotta keep primal and small mind pity.Trying to explain concepts like ancient man(reclaimers) the true purpose of the flood, and gene sounds to non sci-fi watchers is a chore.

  • @christianbeach8975
    @christianbeach8975 6 месяцев назад +1

    The Spartan 3s are using the commando from halo infinite

  • @shawngraves3297
    @shawngraves3297 6 месяцев назад

    Master chief has always had feelings.

  • @bak9033
    @bak9033 6 месяцев назад +1

    Just makes me sad knowing how much potential is being wasted with this show. And the fact that it’s probably the only live action show we’ll ever get.

    • @fabianperez2252
      @fabianperez2252 6 месяцев назад

      I feel you bro, I’m would just stick to the books, games and the REAL Halo movies that have been made. The show doesn’t respect the IP and the fans

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад

      Last Airbender by Mnight got trashed and that took 14 years to reboot. Harry Potter was loved and it's about to get a reboot 25 years later. I wouldn't say this is the only adaption we'll ever get but be prepared to wait a while before they try again haha

  • @BuyersGuyd
    @BuyersGuyd 6 месяцев назад +13

    I guess this was filmed before finale

    • @skyhunter2816
      @skyhunter2816 6 месяцев назад +5

      Agreed. The finale was excellent.

    • @Maple-Lizard
      @Maple-Lizard 6 месяцев назад +18

      ​@@skyhunter2816Pretty low standards considering the entire Tv series.

    • @GLCDragons
      @GLCDragons 6 месяцев назад +5

      wouldn't know. ended my subscription. Halo show is absolutely trash.

    • @HammerJammer81
      @HammerJammer81 6 месяцев назад +14

      @@skyhunter2816 finale was garbage and stomped on almost all of the Halo timeline

    • @davidcabreonmunoz6258
      @davidcabreonmunoz6258 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@skyhunter2816 excellent as manure.

  • @fullmetalfury7245
    @fullmetalfury7245 6 месяцев назад +2

    The spartan 3s are using commandos from Halo infinite. You would know it if you play the games

  • @stev0mc
    @stev0mc 6 месяцев назад

    It's like someone picked up the Halo visual guide, read a few character descriptions and ran with it.

  • @TheRockofEasyCo
    @TheRockofEasyCo 6 месяцев назад

    John 100% belongs to Linda. I don't know why they didn't go that route. Like I feel like I remember they were the only ones would like blush at each other or escape together or something. Not to mention John rescues her from her cryo tank after Halo 1.

  • @djcanimations5111
    @djcanimations5111 6 месяцев назад

    Parangosky was introduced in Ghosts of Onyx, i thought

  • @JohnMackeyIII
    @JohnMackeyIII 6 месяцев назад +2

    Halsey found John based on his genes… that is the whole point of his special status😮
    Why do you not say that

  • @trishulyumnam2452
    @trishulyumnam2452 6 месяцев назад +2

    Also season 2
    Where are the energy shields?

  • @skyeote5982
    @skyeote5982 6 месяцев назад

    The lighting + shirt makes the guy on the right look like a youtuber reacting to this video

  • @kalebeatsfloordboards9866
    @kalebeatsfloordboards9866 6 месяцев назад

    As someone who's always a major halo lore nerd, he summed it up pretty damn well. The show takes elements from various books and kinda just smashes them together.

    • @LeoInterVir
      @LeoInterVir 6 месяцев назад +1

      But it's worse than that, it does it without context or chronology.
      It's like a clueless chicken picking at the ground for worms as if they were plot points.
      Even to people who only played the games, the show makes no sense.
      If this was a movie, it would be considered franchise ending.

  • @Otis-Spunks
    @Otis-Spunks 6 месяцев назад +3

    Its not a book adaption. They are cherry picking at a maximum of 10% from the books, and doing it in the most incoherent and uninspired way possible.
    Super fans like it because they cannot handle the idea of a Halo product being thought of as poor quality or be ragged on by non-super fans.
    I too have read all the books, both Bungie and 343i (faceplam) eras. I've played all the games aside from Guardians and Infinite (because I can only bare so much bad.)
    The show is awful, and watches more like a slap in the face than a compelling narrative. It is a clear case of IP high-jackery.

    • @cecollins68
      @cecollins68 6 месяцев назад +2

      The show breaks further away from Canon with each major plot point, starting with makee her very existence breaks Canon in an unrepairable way and negates the very reason for the human covenant war.
      It all downhill from there, miscarictarizing events, killing off characters vital to the plot, at this pont its obvious there just trying to do there own thing because we've veered so far off course it's tragic.
      I get doing things differently for adapting it to TV but this is like a captain telling his crew to turn the ship 1 degree and the helmsman saying fuck it and spinning the wheel like he's playing wheel of fortune.

    • @fabianperez2252
      @fabianperez2252 6 месяцев назад

      It’s honestly crazy how many so called “Super-fans” are coping for this series.

  • @sovietbear5084
    @sovietbear5084 6 месяцев назад

    I would love to have this conversation with you guys I would’ve add some extra information to answer some questions that were not answering. But this was amazing great work!

  • @howlutrv2858
    @howlutrv2858 6 месяцев назад +1

    Zoids!! it's been ages since the last time hearing about that anime.

  • @gsgswineflu2842
    @gsgswineflu2842 6 месяцев назад

    1:29 but aren’t the spartan 3s using the commando from halo infinite, not a gun from Titan fall

  • @Spartan9567
    @Spartan9567 6 месяцев назад +2

    The previous show runner Steven Kane did clarify they played the games. They just didn't play them when they visited 343i HQ.

    • @larssonk22
      @larssonk22 6 месяцев назад +1

      so we got click baited by "journalists" ??

    • @Spartan9567
      @Spartan9567 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@larssonk22 yes, baited by the headline

  • @OrionLaerithryn
    @OrionLaerithryn 6 месяцев назад

    The Halo franchise should have been renamed long ago to something more central to the subject material, something simple and to the point like "Master Chief", or even simply "117".

  • @alwayslast8900
    @alwayslast8900 6 месяцев назад

    The guest was way more interesting than the interviewers and they struggle with that.

  • @danielefabbro822
    @danielefabbro822 6 месяцев назад

    To be fair we have to admit that we have hated the actor that played Master Chief but it wasn't his fault.
    Actors don't writes scripts and shows.
    They just act.
    So accusing him is kinda unfair.

  • @dice268926
    @dice268926 6 месяцев назад

    It's the SERIES FINALE to me!

  • @harshvardhansharma5850
    @harshvardhansharma5850 6 месяцев назад

    As a hardcore halo fan. I really really really feel sad that the amount of L's this IP is getting. Really sad.

  • @mrmechamac
    @mrmechamac 6 месяцев назад

    Did not expect the Zoids reference haha

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад +1

      Nobody ever expects the zoids inquisition

  • @doogle5624
    @doogle5624 6 месяцев назад +2

    This all will end after season 3. They pilfered too many themes from all over the place and butchered them too quickly. It leaves them with no other option than for it to all end on this halo. If Paramount have any sense they will cut this series off at the neck. Lazy writing.

    • @cecollins68
      @cecollins68 6 месяцев назад +2

      I mean they already killed the arbiter so there goes any plot point leading into halo 2
      Not to mention the killed captain Keyes in the most lame way (probably because the actor wanted out when he realized he should have been casted as sgt johnson) so it's a toss up as to who will end up becoming the protogravemind, probably gonna be Miranda, which would also negate most of halo 2 and 3....this showbis a cluster fuck of poor planning and poor research.

  • @jwatchcraft5564
    @jwatchcraft5564 6 месяцев назад

    They need to pull the plug. I haven't even seen this show and all I can say is if its that bad and if the fans are saying its bad, pull the plug.

  • @xCrimsonxTidex
    @xCrimsonxTidex 6 месяцев назад

    Keep in mind, the plot twist regarding the Halo’s true purpose of wiping the galaxy clean to deprive the Flood of their food source, because there is no cure.

  • @RAGEMONSTER
    @RAGEMONSTER 6 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a PlayStation player and the show pisses me off -_- and I've only solely played halo 2 because I have OG Xbox.
    And now that I have a laptop I'm playing all halos......halo the master Chief collection :/

    • @fabianperez2252
      @fabianperez2252 6 месяцев назад

      Which one is your favorite halo game bro?

    • @RAGEMONSTER
      @RAGEMONSTER 6 месяцев назад

      @@fabianperez2252 it's still halo 2 🤣🤣
      I was playing classic graphics and my friend was ewwww when switching to old graphics
      He's spoiled with updated shit

  • @Phwonk
    @Phwonk 6 месяцев назад +1

    It's not a book adaption. Quit calling it a book adaption. Its got no more in common with the books than it does the games.

  • @AmericanRollo
    @AmericanRollo 6 месяцев назад

    You absolutely can make this “for the game fans”. Those are those most successful adaptations that exist. The ones “for the fans”. Because said fans bring all their friends who: don’t have an Xbox, don’t game, don’t like shooters, etc. The new medium is what allows the audience to grow. The original fan base shows up because they get to see what they love brought to life, and then you add all the people who had some kind of barrier preventing them from accessing/enjoying the game. Changing drastically alienates the core fans, though with good writing you can get new ones (seems TLOU is a good example of that one from what I’ve heard). Changes plus bad writing just means nobody is excited

  • @thenerddungeon
    @thenerddungeon 6 месяцев назад

    The only people watching Halo are people who never played Halo and Halo fans watching them destroy everything they love. 343 killed Halo and Paramount raped the name

  • @dariosalmeron1934
    @dariosalmeron1934 6 месяцев назад

    I can agree with you guys how it feels like the show jumbling so many plots or story devices without having a proper approach to tell it. One thing I really hate about the show is they don’t flesh out anything or even try to expand on things that can get people invested into the universe, I wish the show focused on Spartans and the symbol they represent or their stoic and cold nature compared to marines or the UNSC staff. I hate how they brushed reach one of the biggest events in Halo. The writers don’t care enough to expand on like the covenant caste system or the crazy religious stuff with the prophets. I feel like this show is sort of a waste of time for any viewer trying to understand or enjoy halo.

  • @ShadowMoses21
    @ShadowMoses21 6 месяцев назад

    Most of season two gives me RedvsBlue Season 3-5 vibes.

  • @LateToThaParty
    @LateToThaParty 6 месяцев назад

    The show's Spartan IIIs appear to be using the the commando rifle from 343's Halo Infinite. It looks smaller though so I'm unsure.

  • @davidahgren9037
    @davidahgren9037 6 месяцев назад +1

    I like how you guys had a DISCUSSION about the season instead of just complaining about it. Anyways... Kai is bae and this season was a 4/10. Don't renew lol

  • @BIGBASSSAMA_4
    @BIGBASSSAMA_4 6 месяцев назад +1

    The series is actually halo inspired

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад

      Madame Web was Spider-Man inspired.

  • @jessesiet8074
    @jessesiet8074 6 месяцев назад +1

    What has me confused is they chose to release the flood on Onyx. Which is like uhhh, the first game only worked because the flood were released on halo. Why would they catch up to “the game” when their writing clearly is diverging from that?

    • @havard847
      @havard847 6 месяцев назад +1

      People need to stop thinking loore watching it honestly, if theyr gonna enjoy the series and not just complain. Im interested to see what they will do with the flood

    • @jessesiet8074
      @jessesiet8074 6 месяцев назад

      @@havard847 I get your point. But I personally feel their changes are weird. It’s an ok show if you just consider it generic sci-fi and not really halo. But an adaptation should be grounded in the lore. And that goes for literally anything. Imagine a lord of the rings movie that doesn’t have the fellowship of the ring and their trek to mt. Doom to destroy the ring.

  • @AmericanRollo
    @AmericanRollo 6 месяцев назад

    The artifact in season one is how the humans learn the Halo is a super weapon.

  • @beetanatormask325
    @beetanatormask325 6 месяцев назад

    Some lore whoopsies here, the book Epitaph helps with alot of recent halo games lore !

  • @Marco.of.Substance
    @Marco.of.Substance 6 месяцев назад

    Great discussion gents. I do not know Halo's history nor did I play the game. I understand fans being disappointed when creators venture away from the source material. I get it. I can only critique it from the average person's, non-gamer, perspective.
    I thought the show was decent. Was it Dune, Mandalorian (s1-2),The Expanse (s1-3) good? No. As a science fiction fan, I thought the writers did a decent job of telling a story. Whether that is accurate to the lore, the Halo historians can speak to that. Kwan Ha was my least favorite character. Even without knowing any of Halo's history, I felt she was made up. She seemed like she was horseshoed into the story. I agree the directing could have been better as well. I see it as an above average show.

  • @benwarwick4290
    @benwarwick4290 6 месяцев назад +1

    Seems all there changes are just a middle finger to the original creator and his beliefs.

  • @antonytjp
    @antonytjp 6 месяцев назад

    My reaction to the show is “wtf is going on and I’m SOOOO BORED.. the boring waste of plots doesn’t make any sense

  • @goldieARZ
    @goldieARZ 6 месяцев назад

    Firefly! The mirror opposite of Halo -- rabid fans who love the Firefly TV show vs. rabid fans who hate the Halo show. Love and Hate --- so much in common. LOLOLOL.

  • @anxarts7424
    @anxarts7424 6 месяцев назад

    my main problem with the show is ...colours ....halo is not a universe where its all dark and bleek....maybe dark sometimes...this show needs colours...master chief needs more green in him..

  • @thenerddungeon
    @thenerddungeon 6 месяцев назад

    They had one job...follow the story of Halo. This wasn't Halo

  • @JohnMackeyIII
    @JohnMackeyIII 6 месяцев назад +4

    Red vs blue did a better job!

  • @Angelino_117
    @Angelino_117 6 месяцев назад

    oh it's very good and interesting to listen to them, I love halo, I love the lore of halo, and this video is incredible, they don't dictate hate to the series like other channels, I personally like the series, of course that's my opinion , especially this second season, greetings guys.

  • @cadasshada9732
    @cadasshada9732 6 месяцев назад

    Tbh feels like the script was written by chatgbt instead of human writers

  • @stephtros9029
    @stephtros9029 6 месяцев назад

    they actually called how they got on the halo ring lol

  • @danielvandusen5724
    @danielvandusen5724 6 месяцев назад

    You actually consider this following the books? Other than using a few names and a few general locations, it's nothing like the books at all.

  • @tome373402
    @tome373402 6 месяцев назад

    Cowboy bebop didn’t hold up is wild 😂, that anime is peak.

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад

      I stand by my hot take!

    • @williamdaniel2440
      @williamdaniel2440 6 месяцев назад

      Did I hear him correctly, he doesn't like the anime version of cowboy bebop?

  • @Jameshighcock
    @Jameshighcock 6 месяцев назад

    As a fellow Halo superfan the halo superfan in this didnt defend the game timeline and books as much as I thought he would. The show is an abomination compared to the regular timetable.

  • @JohnMackeyIII
    @JohnMackeyIII 6 месяцев назад +1

    That was halo 4 and 5…

  • @angelsideuk6197
    @angelsideuk6197 6 месяцев назад

    The worst bit is the small parts of the show that they get right they get reaalllyyyy right

  • @TheBlackstarrt
    @TheBlackstarrt 6 месяцев назад +1

    I really have enjoyed the show. I don't think it's a great piece of media or anything like that. But I sincerely had a lot of fun with this. Yes, I did think in the beginning that this should have just stopped and cancel I and redo it to the actual lore. But with this season my mind kind of changed. I thought, how many times has a series been rebooted before. This is just reality. Doesn't mean we don't criticize it, but it has allowed me to enjoy the series and the writing here once I let go of the lore and focused on what the show is giving us. It's also allowed me to better criticize it. As I can now focus on not what the lore should be, but what the lore IS in this show. Wild ride.

  • @icejoe6534
    @icejoe6534 6 месяцев назад

    where cna i see these ppl talk abou tth elast episode of season 2?

    • @burgunbeerd
      @burgunbeerd  6 месяцев назад

      Very soon on this channel! Just gotta find time to sit down and film the chat

  • @sarahbrennan8815
    @sarahbrennan8815 6 месяцев назад

    Great video!