is it even Doctor Who anymore? | The Devil's Chord Review Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- Dan and Steven react to Doctor Who: The Devil's Chord and it's pretty BatShhh. We break it down in EXTREME DETAIL and like any good adventure there's a lot of tangents along the way. Sub?
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Just to clarify the 6-month time jump: In Space Babies, Ruby hops in the TARDIS at Christmas. But in this episode, the Doctor asks what her time is now and goes with June, which is 6 months later. So the implication there is that they've been travelling for those 6 months. It feels... off, like this episode was originally supposed to be later in the season and got bumped up to pair it with Space Babies.
Oh so that's where they got it from. I can definitely see Disney deciding to move episodes around, especially for a 2part premiere to whichever they thought would grab the most attention or headlines
I feel like the two most manic episodes have aired first, and it's odd. Maybe it'll all make sense once the whole season has finished.
The Devil's Chord should have absolutely been a later episode. This doesn't work as a 2nd episode.
So far, we've seen the Doctor run from the Boogey man and now run from Maestro. Our introduction to this Doctor has been that he runs scared when he was initially introduced as an emotionally healed fun loving Doctor.
@@WiGgYof09 yeah I stand by what we say in the video, he doesn't come across as smart or over 2000 years old. Just a friendly lad that loves an adventure but then runs scared from bad guys and occasionally presses a button
Omg I didn't realise the lack of whirring TARDIS sound until you mentioned it! So true!! Another little thing that is just subsconsciously/consciously making this series feel... Lacking or... different?
Never compare Maestro to Missy again. I dont hate Maestro. But Missy is the goat.
Hey hey hey I was saying OTHER people were haha
Also, one thing about the "show theory", Ruby's hidden song is carol of the bells, which plays in the background NON-DIEGETICLY in the scene where she is left at church. There might be some big Truman show twist at this point
The music number/musical crossing at the end is down to leftover energy from Maestro. There was a line explicitly saying that in the shooting script that didn't make it into the finished episode, and I REALLY wish it had.
I did see that yeah. And tbh I think it's something I think might be happening a lot this season; RTD is viewing them as scripts and it's not all translating to the screen, but in his head it all works and all makes sense because he knows the story arc and all the little extra titbits. Maybe it'll be a better season on reflection after the finale?
I really hope so!
@@burgunbeerd so apparently the order of the episodes got mixed around a bit and this was originally supposed to be episode 6 which explains a lot.
It fits with how some of the Toymaker's energy stayed after he was banished too, makes sense that the same thing would happen with his daughter.
15 seasons? what about the other 26 before Ecclestone?
The tardis sound is missing because of the Maestro
Maaaaaybe? I guess could be. It's not really music though. Should find out in 73 yards
Something felt off at the tail end of Capaldi's run, Chibnall's was chronically bad and this feels like an extension of that. I have basically no quality expectations anymore, I've been let down too many times. Doctor Who either needs to get its act together or be put on pause for a while until decent writers can be found.
Chris Waites and the Carollers are mentioned in the first episode of Doctor Who in 1963.
I'm going to be honest it's actually had a lot of Mythical and fantasy leaning (he's fought gods.) This pantheon makes me feel like The Doctor may be part of that Pantheon. Also this episode is well paced and the Them back and fourth was some good humour.
That was a pretty rare occurrence really. And God's I hope the Doctor isn't a God. Space Jesus is bad enough
@@burgunbeerd gods were rare sure, but Dr Who has always been more fantasy in space than sci-fi.
It's a mix of Sci-fi and fantasy, not just pure fantasy
Same
The issue is you wasted a child of a god for your second episode. And also added the grandchild of the god too. Like in older season the like with master reveal it’s an constant repeating note that lingers throughout the season and builds. This felt so rushed
Totally agree with the points at 21:21 and 36:08
This was a really good listen guys 😀 . I've subbed 👍
Thanks! Let's hope Moffat's script really brings out "The Doctor" in him
@@burgunbeerd got everything crossed for Saturday 😀🤞
I noticed they were like always hugging and I'm like hmmmm but much innit?
Same
Eh it depends on the Doctor really, 11 would hug a fair bit too but then you had 12 who didn't hug much.
Speaking as a person of color, I was shocked to see you two praise Davies’ approach in The Shakespeare Code. I have always used it as a reference point for how NOT to handle race in time travel fiction. Moffat (Thin Ice, Capaldi era with Bill), and Chibs (the episodes you cite, Rosa and Witchfinders with gender) all kept us grounded in reality to some degree, in all its messy and inglorious actuality. Paul Cornell also handled it better in that very season of Martha's run, Human Nature / Family of Blood.
Davies does us no favors by projecting a fantasy counternarrative; if an author feels squeamish with handling the subject, do a series like Tom Baker’s first (mostly set off world, and/or in the future), or cast differently. To me it just feels like lazy writing (par for the course this season, yeah?).
20:22 compensator only affects the ones who travel in the TARDIS
That makes sense. Is there ever another time the doctor skips out during a crisis to check on or show how it's devastated the future? (Under the lake and before the flood doesn't count cause factored in to plot)
@@burgunbeerd pyramids of mars
Could ruby be river doctor daughter or ruby might be Susan biological granddaughter?
I watched the 9th-11th doctor (tennant was my favorite), stopped sometime during Capaldi as I felt the writing was no longer compelling. I was fine with them doing a female doctor, but I hadn't got back into watching at that point, and then I heard about the changes they had made to the Doctor's past and wasn't a fan of that. Started watching again when they brought Tennant back, of course.
I'm going to give it a bit more of a chance. I loved the toymaker. Just not sure I like them bringing in regular musical numbers into the show (the goblin episode had one too). The plot of the most recent episode felt lacking. Plus if you are going to include a trans character, must they be a villain? Not sure that's sending the right message.
It was completely ridiculous that The Doctor - an amateur music enthusiast, at best - defeated the ESSENCE OF MUSIC ITSELF in a music battle. Like what? Why didn't the Beatles challenge Maestro instead? Awful episode.
I live right by the church of Church On Ruby Rd & the rooftop scene where Jinkx comes out the piano is all shot in my hometown in Wales including the pub for 73 yards ❤
Dont tell me you really believed we were being visited by a,1000 year old man in a time machine.
Why does this mega God have ptsd so bad now?? Hehe
He just loves a good cry!
BOOM felt a bit more like the Doctor but he still didn't actually solve the problem?
Finally someone sharing my concerns about this season. IMHO it feels kinda lazy in terms of writing. Casue Space Babies was just a rewrite of The End of The World but somehow worse because despite having a bigger budget it feels so much smaller in scale
Yeaaaaah I've been watching more of other people's reviews this time around and they are less reviews more, "hey it's good, bye".
He's definitely replaying old tropes he himself came up with and opening himself up to these kinds of comparisons
@@burgunbeerd unfortunately for me, Boom was also not great 😔
@@HYPERHEROIC our BOOM review will be out today so make sure you're subscribed to see what we think of that one haha! At least one of us definitely agrees with you
ReTarD is nothing but a dead man's Joss Wheadon. This looks like a dead version of Buffy's "Once More, With Feeling"
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I think this might actually be our first ever "First" comment. So 2 firsts for ya! haha
@@burgunbeerd ultra first. Now it's official. And yes I did forget to review your video on 'volume' - my bad
i love how in being inclusive people keep referring to jinx as she/her yet they made a big thing in this episode about the pronouns they them. And hes referred to ad the childs dad. im so confused
Because it’s all performative, even the people who whine openly about pronouns don’t really care: They still default to he/she.
wow
middle aged white men doing a podcast...and they're reviewing doctor who...and it isn't all rage-bait reactionary racist conservative nonsense?
Actually a miracle
Take my Like, take my whole Subscribe too
Was genuinely fun to vibe with you gents, helped me figure out my own opinion, as we're on a similar wavelength
We will gladly take the like and sub! But middle aged?! We are only 30 haha!
But seriously thankyou :)
@@burgunbeerd Yeah it was a stretch, you're on the spring chicken end of the category to be sure, I've just stayed away from reviews knowing what a lot of it has become, so I tentatively tuned in and breathed a heavy sigh of relief. Made my day lads
Different? Bad I think is the word. The Doctor now behaves in too human a way and lacks the aged wisdom that previous incarnations have had. It’s all about good looks now and silly, goofy stories. A world away from Classic Who with dark intelligent stories such as The Aztecs, Inferno & Talons of Weng Chiang. Sack RTD!
There no the family blood or the speech from Matt smith to that evil moon yet and I don’t think it’s coming. He just a stereotypical gay caricature. Its a 1990s sitcom gay man flamboyance and happy.
It's like a caricature of Marigold from In Sickness And In Health is the new DockTooor. Utterly unwatchable.
@@gamedude412 Moffat is so real for immediately proving you wrong
I'm editing up the video with all our thoughts on BOOM right now!
Yeah, because the Doctor has never been flamboyant, you guys are ridiculous@@gamedude412
In answer to the question in the title...NO! If RTD wanted to have such a wild departure from canon why didn't he think lets make a show that has its own history and have as many gay, trans storylines as he pleases? If folks wanted to watch them, great. For me as a straight, black guy, I have no interest at all in exploring these types of themes. Not a hater, just no interest at all.