The Toymaker RUINED 'The Giggle' | Doctor Who Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- Doctor Who and The Giggle may have changed the entire canon but this video is about the Celestial Toymaker. A villain from the 60s that maybe should've stayed there...
Let's talk about it. 
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What did you think of the Toymaker? Where the stakes high enough for you or did the episode fall flat?
he was a dumb enemy because he was too powerful. Then you have to pretend he cant catch a ball. He could have walked on the air, teleported under it before it hit the ground, magnetise it to his hand. I dont like magic characters, because its really stupid trying to justify actions with them
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I mean, they literally say outright "He won't cheat at his games. That's the one thing he will never do". So him not cheating at his games... makes sense. So it's less they failed to justify his actions, and more you didn't notice the justification.
Personally, I did like the episode overall. I think the Toymaker was too 'playful' in this depiction though. You can in universe chalk it up to the fact he was trapped in another realm for millennia with only the odd lost traveler to play with, suddenly getting access to an entire universe of toys and players. 'Kid in a Candy Store Syndrome' essentially. Some parts were good. The Spice Girls Scene perfectly summarized this new version. A Force of Chaos that does whatever he wants on a whim, without care to the lives of others, if it gives him entertainment. Reminded me of other characters in that Genre. Your Bill Cypher's and Mr Mxyzptlk's. Which again, isn't bad in a vacuum. But it isn't. It's the return of a classic Dr Who threat.
What I loved about the original was his calm, yet stern and menacing demeanor. And how he saw through every ploy or plan of the doctor and stopped it before it could even start. He really did feel 'different' and powerful, someone that the Doctor wouldn't be able to beat normally. That is gone in this version. You see hints of it, as the puppeteer, in card game, but those are just two scenes in an hour long special.
The other issue, obviously, is the lack of obvious stakes. Yes, the Toymaker is a threat to all of existence, and the Doctor has to stop him. But in focusing on that, they completely forget about 'The Giggle'. And it was such a simple fix too. Raise the stakes. All the world leaders are affected? Seems like an easy way for Nuclear War to start. Now the Doctor has a reason to actually play the Toymaker's games besides just 'I'm angry that you're making fun of so many deaths that are my fault'.
Now the Giggle is a threat, there's an actual sense of urgency as the Doomsday Clock ticks down, and we have an actual reason to why the Doctor needs to play his game and win! Easy. Can swap out the childish tantrum scene with the threat of Nuclear Attack, then have the Head of Unit say 'they're all like this. If we don't find a solution soon, there might not be a human race left'. Have scenes of Nuclear Warheads being primed cut in and out of the catch game. Then as the Toymaker is sealed away, the world leaders come to their senses and stop the countdowns. Boom. Fixes almost all of the problems.
The Game of Catch itself also is a bit anticlimactic. I understand WHY (First game was a Game of Mental Prowess, the Second was a Game of Luck, so the Third game had to be Physical in nature), but they should've had the Doctor explain. Or the Toymaker. The Doctor getting to pick the second and third game was weird, since in the original it was the Toymaker to picked and made all of the games.
The final thing is just... them keeping David Tennant. This is an overall issue, not because of the plot, but because it's just so blantantly obvious the screenwriters were like 'We need to keep the 10th Doctor around for emergencies to appease the fans if we screw up again'. If they actually do something with it past that, I'll be less annoyed, but... eh. I'd rather they'd given the 10th his well deserved time of rest.
Putting that aside though, the Episode was good. Not amazing, but it was good. While I feel the points I made are valid, it doesn't ruin the episode for me, and I feel that saying it 'Killed Dr Who' or it 'Is an affront to what the series stands for' is whitewashing the series. People forget, Dr Who is equal parts silly as it is serious. For every Cybermen or Empty Child, you have the Doctor fighting Cactus People, Alien Clowns, Android Santas, Evil Mannequins. Hell, The Star Beast is an adaptation of an Classic Who adventure, and the original Beep was far more comedically evil than he was in the adaptation. I mean he literally smoke cigars and looked like a Cartoon Rabbit Toy (Honest to god, didn't think I'd ever be defending THAT. But here I am). Not to mention the amount of charmingly terrible puns you get in almost every single Doctor after the First.
Sorry for the outburst. But I do wish people would stop demanding perfection. You've seen the Timeless Child, you know what actually 'Killing the Franchise' looks like. This isn't it. At worst it's Neil Patrick Harris having the time of his life and making the most of his screentime. All the characters are portrayed and characterized well, there's no retcons or lore twists (Besides possibly making the Timeless Child a bit less damaging, which I'm not against), and overall, I'm fine with it. I'm glad they brought the Toymaker back, even if I felt they made him a bit too lighthearted and 'fun'.
And... yeah. That's about all my thoughts summarized. I think Ncuti Gatwa played the 15th Doctor well in this episode, and I have some hope for his series (Some hope. At the end of the day a 'Good Doctor' means nothing if the plot is garbage)
Thought he was excellent and right up there with the best. Fed up of moaning minnies click-bait-hating on some of the best DrWho we have had in years. Call yourselves fans? *unsubscribe*
@@ForgottenFafnir In the 60s the games weren't fair. Cyril the robot opponent cheated all the time. RTD just needed an out when he couldn't come up with a way of defeating him.
I've thought of one. If the Doctor had been palming the balls from the earlier catch game (a very Doctor thing to do) he could have thrown them all at once, or the current one after a decoy and won with guile, while still being within the rules.
Nah thr toymaker was the best thing about the episode
Agreed
The toymaker was brilliant, the episode was really good fun, every actor delivered, people need to stop acting like Doctor Who needs to deliver impeccable masterpieces that'd make Shakespeare look shit, and just enjoy the ride...And it was fun a ride.
i agree this just feels like just 2 guys doing a random visual podcast on youtube, not making much sense. i had to stop watching after 5 min...
@@ChristopheVerdonck whinging old men who've lost the ability to experience joy unless its in someone elses misery.
@@JustB3NJI Unlike you, who doesn't sound sour at all...
@@JustB3NJI You sound mean.
@@ChristopheVerdonck It was analysis. You'll need to concentrate.
I find that if you overthink stuff to this level nothing becomes enjoyable. RTD is more character driven with fun entertaining set pieces - it doesn't take itself too seriously.
Exactly everyone critiques doctor who as if its trying to be a cinematic masterpiece
At the end of the day the specials made me feel joy and happiness and that's all that matters to make a good episode
@@slutty_raccoon69 It's not that, it's the childish plot resolution.
@@alanbeaumont4848
My point still stands abt enjoying the specials and having fun
They definitely had weak points which can be explored a bunch but they were just good fun
What a dumb just truly wrong take, NPH and the Toymaker were awesome.
Terrible resolution. Super being fumbles ball.
Loved everything about this episode.
It was a great episode and I couldn’t disagree with your cynicism more
Analysis, the word's analysis.
Dude, seriously, you can't just enjoy the show? Ok, have you seen classical Toymaker - from the old series? Okay, wrong questions... What would you do if you was a Toymaker?
The Toymaker was brilliant and chaotic enough that this story could be wrapped up in a single episode. I loved it.
Is the person with red nails that picks up the gold tooth just like, hanging off the edge of Unit Tower??? Bit high up!
That buggs me ngl
thought the same:)
I thought the would be a precurser to Missy.
@@whiteswanlilly4119I think it's missy. I hear Henry cavill is the new master.
Great episode, wonderful performance, bad take.
The Toymaker was the only good thing in all 3 specials. Great villain who should have not been beaten so easily.
You are so wrong 🙄🙄🙄
You are so easily impressed
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
I thought he was the only good part.
Ding dong your opinion is wrong
What a loon, you watched a toon.
I love them saying that the toymaker felt like an improper villan who had no power despite the fact the whole episode he was one step ahead from them and was joking at the same time
This isnt even opinions this is just false conclusions 😭
It was a lame resolution. Super being fumbles ball. And then it turns into a Toon.
@@alanbeaumont4848 girl what 😭
Also yea the resolution was a bit cheap and anticlimactic
Would've been nice to see the doctors working together to outsmart him to make him Drop the ball like one doctor getting on the cannon and shooting the ball or smth idk
I feel like these specials would have worked better if one of the specials was the first unseen encounter with the Toymaker
These guys never read a psychological manga in their life
You must know them really well.
The toymaker was the best part of ‘The Giggle’, great episode, perfect performance by NPH, sh***y take
I'm confused. I don't know if it's just on my end, but I put English subtitles on & they don't match up with what you guys are talking about in the video.
Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed that issue so subtitles should now work perfectly.
hi just jumping on this thread to say that sometimes Ncutis names shows as "shooting"@@burgunbeerd
Lol 7:03, best part of the review!
Wrong.
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
Per the slow down (re: the Doctor always adventuring), Classic showed this with every doctor from at least Tom Baker to McCoy. Many stories started with them completing a vacation of sorts.
p.s. The half human line has never been hard for me to explain away. The context of that is a party scene where he's essentially telling a git to push off, so it's easy to rationale it as a flippant oddity expressed just to make the guy react as he did (incredulous surprise, and maybe go away). Not sure why everybody feels the Doctor is a reliable narrator in that moment.
That said, the writer probably intended it to be truthful, I agree. That writer was an idiot, however. ;-)
Thr Toymaker was great, he did appear in 1 episode in thr very first Doctor Who back in the 60s
1 story, multiple episodes. The Doctor beat him with guile.
NPH was fantastic! But you're right
I loved the Simm Master and the Dhawan Master but the Toymaker was too much like them! "Bonkers" is great fun but it's getting repetitive. I would have preferred if NPH had acted it more controlled - like the original Celestial Toymaker.
Lighten up. NPH was great
You’re crazy
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
The original Toymaker serial with Hartnell was bad. This was flawed but an improvement.
It was the 60s. We enjoyed it at the time. The best episodes of the Toymaker are lost.
The toymaker waa the only good thing about this episode
Just stop, whatever it is you are trying so hard to do... Just stop... It's toxic, please...
It's called analysis, try to keep up.
No lazy writing, quotas, and the message has ruined DW in general. I saw Godzilla Minus One a couple of days ago, and for me, that was great writing with great CGI and top acting, unlike so called Hollywood and Western entertainment.
Bull shiat
I swear you just say the opposite of the truth 😂 walking hot take for clicks
No they just noticed the lack of steak behind the sizzle.
@@alanbeaumont4848 but he also praises the blandness, he’s stupid 🤷♀️
wow just wow
Grifters gonna grift
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
Yikes dude.
wrong
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
@@alanbeaumont4848 Wrong
@@En1ow Enough, you're confusing me with the sophistication of your arguments.
@@alanbeaumont4848 😠
youre wrong. your opinion is wrong. you ruined the giggle, not the toymaker.
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal.
Doctor who is garbage now but the Toymaker was the only good thing about this episode.
Actually , the script ruined the Toymaker.
NPH was so bad, he doesn't have the charisma or the skill for this character, and don't get me started on the German accent... Just imagine what a real actor could have done with the part. Why RTD hired him shall remain a mystery.
Because he was absolutley perfect for that role. And i liked the german accent. Als Deutscher hätte ich nicht besser Denglisch sprechen können!
you know it wasn't just German accent right? it had French accent and also other accents. Also you should know that it made sense story wise. Last time The Doctor and The Toymaker faced each other, the Doctor won by imitating the Toymaker. By making different accents The Toymaker is preventing The Doctor to win against him in that same way. Writing wise, story wise makes sense, what you found annoying is called good acting
@@symphonixblades I can only agree!! I am not french so i cant say if his french accent was good xD But his german was perfekt, so the others propably were perfekt too!
NPH is like in the A* tier of casting choices for Doctor who honestly he made a good episode great
I liked the acting. It was the plot that fell apart.