Brianna Lee justice at this stage is unlikely -at this stage I think a family should have the right to see the file and risk jeopardising a future conviction. Apart from anything else, he needs to know if the police did a thorough job!
There is no reason for Fred to have been denied access to the police records in Maura's case. He has major grounds to sue the police department again with the FBI. This appears to be a police coverup, and answers need to be given.
Yes I Agree I Feel A Cop Is Hiding Something....And The Police Dept Covering Up For Him.....I Live In NH And Not Far From Where Her Car Was , I Been Following This And I Believe She Was Abducted And Killed ....I Pray You Find Her And Be At Peace .. .
ok. SHE begged for them not to call police. there were unidentified police arguing over who got the call. maybe she "made a deal with one of them because she had stuff to hide. SHE WASN'T untroubled and the all American girl. maybe one if these policeman took her.
I am always interested in hearing anything Maura related. It really is hard not to think about this case. Did anybody ever go into detail about those coordinates? Keep doing the great work guys. Cheers from Croatia.
This almost makes me wonder if a police officer took her. Did anyone investigate the background of the officers? I worked at a domestic violence shelter and many perpetrators were officers. We had a lot of great officers too, but they can also be suspects.
***** Yes. In between the drama queens and the looney birds, rational discussion of MM is hard to come by. I left Websleuths, Topix, and most every blog on MM a long, long time ago. Everyone who stays (no offence intended if you are on there) has to wade through some insane nonsense to get to any news or facts.
***** Above all, I wish there had been investigation into that SUV that was seen to be parked at MM'S car, but oddly there's no official report of this. That should have been #1 on their list; instead, it's completely ignored. Smh.
***** I completely agree. At first when I started listening to the podcast I liked his theories but listening more and more I found myself disagreeing with him. I now believe the cop/cops know more, way more than they are saying.
One thing I would like to suggest is when the details change from someone that has appeared in multiple episodes some kind of explanation would be nice. For example John Smith stated in this video "We have another witness that heard 2 cops arguing over jurisdiction" I don't recall this ever being mentioned before. He has been on multiple times. I would hope the moderators could clear this up. "We had another witness come forward recently that stated...." or "John was holding this info back to protect the witness but the witness said it was ok to release it"
I heard it. I always go back to B Mck. Because I believe the accident was staged. I feel their are two different crime scenes. Why take a wreck car an put it in a private citizen garage. Unless you no the driver. Will not be returning.
plugin exhaust is an old school army tip that is obviously not recommended, but a vehicle that is missing very badly might not have enough back pressure to fire the fuel injectors, Or, a diesel engine glow plug failure in extremely cold weather....old school dudes would place hand over tailpipe to help start vehicle if by there self they would place rag into pipe. There is not much on this subject on internet; you would have to contact a "wise man" granddad and pick their brains for old wise tales.
I think Fred is great. My family lost my oldest brother twenty-one years ago to natural causes and my mother never recovered. She died in December from Alzheimer's. The only good thing about the Alzheimer's was she forgot my brother, now they are together. Fred's suffering cannot be imagined. Miracles do happen and I hope for this family that they do get a miracle.
She was drunk and crashed her car and started walking . An impaired civil service worker struck her on the road. He used a walkie talkie to call someone and they cleaned up the scene and incinerated the body at a crematory or some kind of foundry
Was 001 police SUV ever tested for any damage to the cruiser front end...and why was the mat in Maura 's car all squished up as someone struggling to not been pulled out off her car?
this case sounds very similar to the Missing 411 cases. A man name Dave Paulides who has 4,books about people who have basically vanished off the face of the earth.
Emily Walker I’ve spoken with David Paulidies . We had an extensive conversation during which I gave a detailed account of a situation that happened to me as a kid . David Paulidies plays dumb in his books and in the media as to what he believes is behind those clusters of strange disappearances. I know for a fact that for most of the cases he writes about that he has a very firm belief about what’s happening and he’s open about it in one on one private conversation. Knowing gives me chills as I think it’s a possible explanation as to what happened to MM.
The Marksman, What does David Paulides believe is taking all these people. I, too, have often thought this sounds like a Paulides case. Does Paulides believe it's Big Foot? That's what I've always wondered.
they laugh because of the explanation from the police that she tried to commit suicide with the ragg in the tailpipe, knowing she knew the police was probably comming right around the corner any minute is a very ridiculous statement. Also they probly laught out loud thinking, did the police really think anyone will buy this explanation....we all know better....i think you have to take it more like this....the part what I find interesting about this is that it kind of tells how these locals feel about the way the police investigated this case....not in the most thorough way....
the police chief should have been arrested and charged with a DUI and been fired from his position immediately, if in fact he was driving intoxicated. The liability problems would be outlandish if police chief accidentally killed somebody while on duty driving intoxicated.
My heart truly breaks for Fred. Just looking at him and seeing him makes me cry and do something to help. Is there anything we can do besides sign a petition that'll help get the big dogs involved? Maybe if we emailed the top dogs they'd get tired of getting multiple emails and do something about it?
Kind of off-topic, but I loved the discussion here about the woods and the mountains and the kinds of feelings that places like that can evoke. I'm from the Northwest but lived in New York for two years and spent some time in Vermont in the Green Mountains, and I identified with what was being described here. I'm from Oregon and there are places I've been there that gave me uneasy feelings that I couldn't explain as well. It's a strange phenomenon and almost hard to put into words, but KF and you guys both explained it eloquently.
I have spent the better portion of 3 decades exploring the Black Hills. I don't much believe in spirituality but I can definitely relate to the people who do. There are places there that evoke unique senses and sensations consistently. "Uneasy" is a good term to use to describe some of those sensations. Others are very warming and comforting.
Maybe just maybe Maura had it all planned, and would rather start over without interruption from Fred Murray? Maybe, she is happy and just doesn't want to be found, after especially todays social media, websluthes, after her. Just saying.
I believe the obvious. The bus driver was the last person to see her alive and we know what that usually means. He claimed to use a cell phone there, but there IS NO CELL SERVICE there.
He didn't claim to use a cell phone. Atwood knew she was lying when Maura said she'd called AAA. Then he went home and had his common law wife call 911. Do you think abductors have their wife call 911 to look into an accident of the one they abducted? John Smith is talking shit. Wants to have it both ways; point the finger towards a vague conspiracy then claim he's not saying there's a conspiracy. Anybody can assert anything. He's the only one that says the car didn't hit a tree yet provides no evidence other than his assertion. He can talk shit about the police chief and about the Westmans lying and/or being involved in a cover-up but you'll be damned if you mention any inconsistency about what Fred said. And for the record, I don't believe her father had anything to with anything.
I agree with you about Fred Murray very likely having no involvement in Maura's disappearance - Fred Murray being involved is probably one of the least likely scenarios... however, a person asking for FBI involvement in a case is in no way evidence of innocence - perpetrators will often involve themselves in cases by trying to be helpful; they often request and welcome as much investigation as possible publicly and in some cases even try to taunt authorities. He could, in theory be saying it because he somehow thinks the FBI will likely not commit further resources... he could, in theory, be saying it because he thinks Maura's body won't be found - and it's extremely difficult for homicide cases to be heard by a court without a body or a confession, no matter how much physical DNA evidence, or circumstantial evidence... in this case (and many others), it is clearly a devoted Father who wants the country's best investigators on the case searching for his missing daughter.
God bless you all. You define humanity. Humanity managing to rise above all human frailties. Above all our base failings , and selfishness, private motives and agendas--the thing we find acceptable to exhibit--the thing we somehow know will be universally accepted--is the expression of empathy, of wanting to help, to exhibit sympathy. Rejoice that this is still the thing we find admirable.
Wow. The Walmart parking lot scenario adds a whole new layer of possibilities. She could have rear-ended a truck there or thrown liquor bottles in the trash there. Or caught the eye of a questionable character there... ....and the alleged argument between LE over jurisdiction at the accident site. Wow....just wow.
My advice, do not travel through New Hampshire nor Vermont alone! Too many police issues and I'm not a police basher by far, I have family members that are police and I trust them for the most part, but I'm sorry these small town good ole boys need to be monitored and I'm from a small town and I've been pulled over by policeman when I wasn't speeding for them to ask me a million questions like where are you going, as if it's their business, my problem with all this is there was a young woman needing help and the ones in charge of helping are being shady and how , when they put out the be on the look out for, did they know what Maura looked like and her height, she took her back pack with her which I'm sure had her i.d. and these guys are needing to be investigated. Like I said policeman aren't all helpful, and there are some that are predatory and believe they are the law and can do as they please. She needed help , a "policeman" showed up, she trusted him and got into his car. Her car was locked and left there just like anyone else would do if we left with someone and our stuff is in the car, and she told the bus driver she called AAA because she knew better than to get in the car with someone she didn't know, a policeman or a policeman impersonator though, she would trust. So, yep they need the FBI and they needed them from day one
As you were telling, how this man talked to Laura and notified her of his plans to call the police, I thought if Laura was panicking because of this.... Poor Laura.
+Tyler Sane Or a psycho and cops mishandling the case, either due to disorganization or covering for a drinking one, contributed to them not finding her. didn't one former NH officer say the force has had probable cause to search a suspects house but haven't? That she's probably buried under one? Why would a former cop, despite his own sordid history, follow this story and say that?
John Smith started a petition. Tim and Lance have heard from people in law enforcement a petition will do no good. The FBI needs new evidence to get involved. Wasn't John Smith in law enforcement? You'd think he'd know that before he bothered starting a petition. Do you understand my confusion?
The NH police have stonewalled Maura Murray's disappearance on 2/9/2004 from DAY ONE. WHO ORDERED Butch Atwood's bus and car NEVER to be searched by cadaver dogs? Was it NH AG Peter Heed who resigned from office on 6/15/2004 after allegations of sexual misconduct but was cleared of any wrongdoing in a subsequent probe (wow. ...that's a surprise!!! ) and who later pled guilty to DWI ? I have the utmost respect for Mr. Murray's tenacity but Fred Murray wil forever appear a fool until he sues forner NH Attorney General Peter Heed for MALFEASANCE. Winning or losing isn't as important as getting to open court is. There was conspiracy from the NH Attorney General down to policeman Cecil Smith ( the first responding police officer and who killed himself on 2/20/2019). I believe Maura Murray mistakenly got on Butch Atwood's bus to wait for a AAA tow truck and she was sexually assaulted and murdered on Butch Atwood's bus by Butch Atwood AND policeman Cecil Smith; both of whom then surreptitiously disposed of her body when they allegedly went looking for her in their cars. And I believe common law wife Barbara Atwood aided and abetted them. Why were there FREE PASSES given on the search of Butch Atwood's AND Cecil Smith's (suv#001) vehicles by cadaver dogs? Who gave the order NOT to have them searched?
@John Jepson I've ALWAYS believed Butch (bus driver) knew who took her or He had the answers. He never talked or told complete story. No I don't believe this case is solvable
The way you pulled apart Fred/his letters and the implications you made I think was disgusting. THIS is why such things should not be judged in isolation!
Wal-Mart theory: ridiculous. I think its safe to say Maura wasn't involved in some random fender- bender at a Wal-Mart just because john smith thinks the timing somehow might fit. that's reaching. it's best to stick to the facts that are tangible.
1. Is John the Truth Teller also The Wolfman? 2. I would like to know his email address if you would forward it please. I have been looking but can not find it. Thanks in advance. 3. Questions I have. A. What king of vehicle was the Wolfman driving the evening Maura crashed? B. Where was he on the night of the crash. C. Has he been questioned by police? D. Do you believe he is hiding in "Plain Sight". E. The podcast Armchair Detective sent you a challenge. If you have not responding with the documents requested, WHY NOT? F. From these podcasts it leads to Wolfman is involved. Your opinion please. Maybe this is why the NHSP are having difficulty bringing charges. Thanks, Lou
I think because you guys are fairly new to this case it seems that Fred is reaching the end of his rope with law enforcement... but there's got to be a word for whatever is beyond the end of the rope... yeeears ago we watched, and article after article was published in the local Hanson paper as Fred went to court trying to get any of the records from the case opened so that he could find out more info and was denied each time. It was awful..
Erin Anderson what about freedom of information act ? Also I'm wondering if the only reason they're keeping it from him is if they believe someone he knows did it and don't want him going after potential suspects
I just dont understand why you are so focused on John Smiths theory that she didnt hit a tree...she OBVIOUSLY HIT A TREE. The residents HEARD HER HIT IT. Thats why her hair bags went off and her head hit the windshield. Once again, I wish you wouldnt get caught up on these details that dont have anything to do w her dissappearing.
We don't know that she hit a tree. That point is very much not settled. Eyewitnesses may change their stories based on their own expectations - for example, people relating the 'facts' of a car crash give significantly different speeds based upon the wording of the question 'how fast was Car B going when it smashed/bumped into Car A?' Eyewitness accounts can't be taken as certain fact; human recollection can be manipulated and inadvertently influenced very easily.
The fender bender conspiracy should be easy to resolve. If insurance info was exchanged a claim against Maura or Fred would've been filed or the other driver could've stepped forward and said what happened. Throw enough shit, I guess.
Does anyone know how I can contact Fred Murray. I have some very interesting information to pass onto this poor man. An email or phone number would be fine.
Freds blaming all and everyone and no doubt talking as much crap as everyone else, He admitted it was him who told Maura to put the rag in the exhaust because the car was blowing black smoke, While I don't doubt for one minute his feelings for his daughter I also think Fred loves his center stage position too it's his famous for 15 minutes
Yes and it was.... It is good that 12years later people still cared enough to go there and show support for her and still care what happened to her, that is what he meant..
Si es que esta.muerta.Que descanse en paz.Aunque yo creo que el tipo que le hizo el video en 112dirtbag del Feliz Aniversario.La violo y la mato y para que no haya sospechas atropello su auto.
+MLP STARLOVEMOTION Per Google translate for those that speak English lol If she is dead. Rest in peace. Although I think the guy that made him the video of Happy Anniversary 112dirtbag . Raped her and killed her and so there is no suspicion I run over your car .
1. Is John the Truth Teller also The Wolfman? 2. I would like to know his email address if you would forward it please. I have been looking but can not find it. Thanks in advance. 3. Questions I have. A. What king of vehicle was the Wolfman driving the evening Maura crashed? B. Where was he on the night of the crash. C. Has he been questioned by police? D. Do you believe he is hiding in "Plain Sight". E. The podcast Armchair Detective sent you a challenge. If you have not responding with the documents requested, WHY NOT? F. From these podcasts it leads to Wolfman is involved. Your opinion please. Maybe this is why the NHSP are having difficulty bringing charges. Thanks, Lou
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I think KF did a great job getting some answers on the missing calls from the logs. Well done.
Maura
Mr.Murray needs to lawyer up, and sue the police department and the city. He should have a right to the case file!
Not when it's still an ongoing investigation
He tried. Was denied.
Brianna Lee justice at this stage is unlikely -at this stage I think a family should have the right to see the file and risk jeopardising a future conviction. Apart from anything else, he needs to know if the police did a thorough job!
@@Truth1561 Fred did get an attorney to represent him. He lost in court tragically.
Laughing is just like a sigh. It's a stress reliever.
There is no reason for Fred to have been denied access to the police records in Maura's case. He has major grounds to sue the police department again with the FBI. This appears to be a police coverup, and answers need to be given.
This one a A. Set up
Or. B cover up
Or. C.both
But who are the players
1.BA
2. BMC
3.BA
4.C.S
5. WILD WILD WEST
Yes I Agree I Feel A Cop Is Hiding Something....And The Police Dept Covering Up For Him.....I Live In NH And Not Far From Where Her Car Was , I Been Following This And I Believe She Was Abducted And Killed ....I Pray You Find Her And Be At Peace .. .
CONNIE BISHOP drunk cop prolly hit her then covered it up. Which one was he? The police chief or?
ok. SHE begged for them not to call police. there were unidentified police arguing over who got the call. maybe she "made a deal with one of them because she had stuff to hide. SHE WASN'T untroubled and the all American girl. maybe one if these policeman took her.
thinking of Maura every day, regards from Stuttgart / Germany
I am always interested in hearing anything Maura related. It really is hard not to think about this case. Did anybody ever go into detail about those coordinates?
Keep doing the great work guys. Cheers from Croatia.
the last people to see and speak to Maura.. are the ones to question the most.,..including the couple who tried to help her~
What couple?
This almost makes me wonder if a police officer took her. Did anyone investigate the background of the officers? I worked at a domestic violence shelter and many perpetrators were officers. We had a lot of great officers too, but they can also be suspects.
+Pasic TP and I wish they would be...or would have been. 😕
***** Yes. In between the drama queens and the looney birds, rational discussion of MM is hard to come by. I left Websleuths, Topix, and most every blog on MM a long, long time ago. Everyone who stays (no offence intended if you are on there) has to wade through some insane nonsense to get to any news or facts.
***** Above all, I wish there had been investigation into that SUV that was seen to be parked at MM'S car, but oddly there's no official report of this. That should have been #1 on their list; instead, it's completely ignored. Smh.
+Pasic TP Hey, could I ask what your comments were that got deleted. What was so controversial about them?
***** I completely agree. At first when I started listening to the podcast I liked his theories but listening more and more I found myself disagreeing with him. I now believe the cop/cops know more, way more than they are saying.
One thing I would like to suggest is when the details change from someone that has appeared in multiple episodes some kind of explanation would be nice. For example John Smith stated in this video "We have another witness that heard 2 cops arguing over jurisdiction" I don't recall this ever being mentioned before. He has been on multiple times. I would hope the moderators could clear this up. "We had another witness come forward recently that stated...." or "John was holding this info back to protect the witness but the witness said it was ok to release it"
+Chris Davis That was the first time I heard the two cops and jurisdiction thing too. I was like huh?
I heard it. I always go back to B Mck. Because I believe the accident was staged. I feel their are two different crime scenes. Why take a wreck car an put it in a private citizen garage.
Unless you no the driver. Will not be returning.
plugin exhaust is an old school army tip that is obviously not recommended, but a vehicle that is missing very badly might not have enough back pressure to fire the fuel injectors,
Or, a diesel engine glow plug failure in extremely cold weather....old school dudes would place hand over tailpipe to help start vehicle if by there self they would place rag into pipe. There is not much on this subject on internet; you would have to contact a "wise man" granddad and pick their brains for old wise tales.
I think Fred is great. My family lost my oldest brother twenty-one years ago to natural causes and my mother never recovered. She died in December from Alzheimer's. The only good thing about the Alzheimer's was she forgot my brother, now they are together. Fred's suffering cannot be imagined. Miracles do happen and I hope for this family that they do get a miracle.
Sorry about your brother. 😔❤️🙏
Okay, first off, I miss the intro where I keep expecting to hear '...you're listening to Echoes; I'm John Deliberto...' XD
She was drunk and crashed her car and started walking . An impaired civil service worker struck her on the road. He used a walkie talkie to call someone and they cleaned up the scene and incinerated the body at a crematory or some kind of foundry
Was 001 police SUV ever tested for any damage to the cruiser front end...and why was the mat in Maura 's car all squished up as someone struggling to not been pulled out off her car?
Based on what pictures??
missing for more than 17 years !!!
this case sounds very similar to the Missing 411 cases. A man name Dave Paulides who has 4,books about people who have basically vanished off the face of the earth.
Emily Walker I’ve spoken with David Paulidies . We had an extensive conversation during which I gave a detailed account of a situation that happened to me as a kid . David Paulidies plays dumb in his books and in the media as to what he believes is behind those clusters of strange disappearances. I know for a fact that for most of the cases he writes about that he has a very firm belief about what’s happening and he’s open about it in one on one private conversation. Knowing gives me chills as I think it’s a possible explanation as to what happened to MM.
The Marksman, What does David Paulides believe is taking all these people. I, too, have often thought this sounds like a Paulides case. Does Paulides believe it's Big Foot? That's what I've always wondered.
One thing is certain. Maura is a reckless driver and she needed to stay off the road for herself & everyone's safety
I dont believe she is alive anymore. Not contacting your parents for that x number of years. Can't see it.
they laugh because of the explanation from the police that she tried to commit suicide with the ragg in the tailpipe, knowing she knew the police was probably comming right around the corner any minute is a very ridiculous statement. Also they probly laught out loud thinking, did the police really think anyone will buy this explanation....we all know better....i think you have to take it more like this....the part what I find interesting about this is that it kind of tells how these locals feel about the way the police investigated this case....not in the most thorough way....
the police chief should have been arrested and charged with a DUI and been fired from his position immediately, if in fact he was driving intoxicated. The liability problems would be outlandish if police chief accidentally killed somebody while on duty driving intoxicated.
My heart truly breaks for Fred. Just looking at him and seeing him makes me cry and do something to help. Is there anything we can do besides sign a petition that'll help get the big dogs involved? Maybe if we emailed the top dogs they'd get tired of getting multiple emails and do something about it?
Kind of off-topic, but I loved the discussion here about the woods and the mountains and the kinds of feelings that places like that can evoke. I'm from the Northwest but lived in New York for two years and spent some time in Vermont in the Green Mountains, and I identified with what was being described here. I'm from Oregon and there are places I've been there that gave me uneasy feelings that I couldn't explain as well. It's a strange phenomenon and almost hard to put into words, but KF and you guys both explained it eloquently.
I have spent the better portion of 3 decades exploring the Black Hills. I don't much believe in spirituality but I can definitely relate to the people who do. There are places there that evoke unique senses and sensations consistently. "Uneasy" is a good term to use to describe some of those sensations. Others are very warming and comforting.
Maybe just maybe Maura had it all planned, and would rather start over without interruption from Fred Murray? Maybe, she is happy and just doesn't want to be found, after especially todays social media, websluthes, after her. Just saying.
I feel for Mr. Murray. the pain must be unbearable...I hope he gets answers soon.😔
I believe the obvious. The bus driver was the last person to see her alive and we know what that usually means. He claimed to use a cell phone there, but there IS NO CELL SERVICE there.
He didn't claim to use a cell phone. Atwood knew she was lying when Maura said she'd called AAA. Then he went home and had his common law wife call 911. Do you think abductors have their wife call 911 to look into an accident of the one they abducted? John Smith is talking shit. Wants to have it both ways; point the finger towards a vague conspiracy then claim he's not saying there's a conspiracy. Anybody can assert anything. He's the only one that says the car didn't hit a tree yet provides no evidence other than his assertion. He can talk shit about the police chief and about the Westmans lying and/or being involved in a cover-up but you'll be damned if you mention any inconsistency about what Fred said. And for the record, I don't believe her father had anything to with anything.
So the FBI is not involved. I thought they were and why aren't they.
Also r.f.
@@trailmarker6154 has anyone given John Smith a polygraph?
Interesting to hear KF's opinion of the locals which differs from John Smith. I'd be interested to hear what the locals think of him.
I agree with you about Fred Murray very likely having no involvement in Maura's disappearance - Fred Murray being involved is probably one of the least likely scenarios... however, a person asking for FBI involvement in a case is in no way evidence of innocence - perpetrators will often involve themselves in cases by trying to be helpful; they often request and welcome as much investigation as possible publicly and in some cases even try to taunt authorities. He could, in theory be saying it because he somehow thinks the FBI will likely not commit further resources... he could, in theory, be saying it because he thinks Maura's body won't be found - and it's extremely difficult for homicide cases to be heard by a court without a body or a confession, no matter how much physical DNA evidence, or circumstantial evidence... in this case (and many others), it is clearly a devoted Father who wants the country's best investigators on the case searching for his missing daughter.
32:50 "he saw several vehicles drive by"?
SAME REACTION!!
God bless you all. You define humanity.
Humanity managing to rise above all human frailties. Above all our base failings , and selfishness, private motives and agendas--the thing we find acceptable to exhibit--the thing we somehow know will be universally accepted--is the expression of empathy, of wanting to help, to exhibit sympathy. Rejoice that this is still the thing we find admirable.
They let BM. Run rapid until he got it back in blood.
Wow. The Walmart parking lot scenario adds a whole new layer of possibilities. She could have rear-ended a truck there or thrown liquor bottles in the trash there. Or caught the eye of a questionable character there...
....and the alleged argument between LE over jurisdiction at the accident site. Wow....just wow.
My advice, do not travel through New Hampshire nor Vermont alone! Too many police issues and I'm not a police basher by far, I have family members that are police and I trust them for the most part, but I'm sorry these small town good ole boys need to be monitored and I'm from a small town and I've been pulled over by policeman when I wasn't speeding for them to ask me a million questions like where are you going, as if it's their business, my problem with all this is there was a young woman needing help and the ones in charge of helping are being shady and how , when they put out the be on the look out for, did they know what Maura looked like and her height, she took her back pack with her which I'm sure had her i.d. and these guys are needing to be investigated. Like I said policeman aren't all helpful, and there are some that are predatory and believe they are the law and can do as they please. She needed help , a "policeman" showed up, she trusted him and got into his car. Her car was locked and left there just like anyone else would do if we left with someone and our stuff is in the car, and she told the bus driver she called AAA because she knew better than to get in the car with someone she didn't know, a policeman or a policeman impersonator though, she would trust. So, yep they need the FBI and they needed them from day one
As you were telling, how this man talked to Laura and notified her of his plans to call the police, I thought if Laura was panicking because of this....
Poor Laura.
Maura!
Have they given Chief Jess Williams a lie detector test?
I've always felt a cop or someone pretending to be one had taken her!.
+Tyler Sane Or a psycho and cops mishandling the case, either due to disorganization or covering for a drinking one, contributed to them not finding her. didn't one former NH officer say the force has had probable cause to search a suspects house but haven't? That she's probably buried under one? Why would a former cop, despite his own sordid history, follow this story and say that?
I totally agree man! It sticks out as odd to me!
Dark hair and dark clothes is hard to see at night....
John Smith started a petition. Tim and Lance have heard from people in law enforcement a petition will do no good. The FBI needs new evidence to get involved. Wasn't John Smith in law enforcement? You'd think he'd know that before he bothered starting a petition. Do you understand my confusion?
Where the fuck did car 001 go? That’s what I wanna know?
The NH police have stonewalled Maura Murray's disappearance on 2/9/2004 from DAY ONE. WHO ORDERED Butch Atwood's bus and car NEVER to be searched by cadaver dogs? Was it NH AG Peter Heed who resigned from office on 6/15/2004 after allegations of sexual misconduct but was cleared of any wrongdoing in a subsequent probe (wow. ...that's a surprise!!! ) and who later pled guilty to DWI ? I have the utmost respect for Mr. Murray's tenacity but Fred Murray wil forever appear a fool until he sues forner NH Attorney General Peter Heed for MALFEASANCE. Winning or losing isn't as important as getting to open court is. There was conspiracy from the NH Attorney General down to policeman Cecil Smith ( the first responding police officer and who killed himself on 2/20/2019). I believe Maura Murray mistakenly got on Butch Atwood's bus to wait for a AAA tow truck and she was sexually assaulted and murdered on Butch Atwood's bus by Butch Atwood AND policeman Cecil Smith; both of whom then surreptitiously disposed of her body when they allegedly went looking for her in their cars. And I believe common law wife Barbara Atwood aided and abetted them. Why were there FREE PASSES given on the search of Butch Atwood's AND Cecil Smith's (suv#001) vehicles by cadaver dogs? Who gave the order NOT to have them searched?
@John Jepson
I've ALWAYS believed Butch (bus driver) knew who took her or He had the answers. He never talked or told complete story. No I don't believe this case is solvable
The way you pulled apart Fred/his letters and the implications you made I think was disgusting. THIS is why such things should not be judged in isolation!
could chief Williams have hit Maura farther down the road???? Long shot??? If so, he had the power to cover it up.....though....
My first thought is that quote is stupid all day. On the outside looking in always seems to give the entire picture. WRONG.
Wal-Mart theory: ridiculous. I think its safe to say Maura wasn't involved in some random fender- bender at a Wal-Mart just because john smith thinks the timing somehow might fit. that's reaching. it's best to stick to the facts that are tangible.
1. Is John the Truth Teller also The Wolfman?
2.
I would like to know his email address if you would forward it please. I
have been looking but can not find it. Thanks in advance.
3. Questions I have.
A. What king of vehicle was the Wolfman driving the evening Maura crashed?
B. Where was he on the night of the crash.
C. Has he been questioned by police?
D. Do you believe he is hiding in "Plain Sight".
E. The podcast Armchair Detective sent you a challenge.
If you have not responding with the documents requested, WHY NOT?
F. From these podcasts it leads to Wolfman is involved. Your opinion please.
Maybe this is why the NHSP are having difficulty bringing charges.
Thanks,
Lou
I think because you guys are fairly new to this case it seems that Fred is reaching the end of his rope with law enforcement... but there's got to be a word for whatever is beyond the end of the rope... yeeears ago we watched, and article after article was published in the local Hanson paper as Fred went to court trying to get any of the records from the case opened so that he could find out more info and was denied each time. It was awful..
Erin Anderson what about freedom of information act ? Also I'm wondering if the only reason they're keeping it from him is if they believe someone he knows did it and don't want him going after potential suspects
I just dont understand why you are so focused on John Smiths theory that she didnt hit a tree...she OBVIOUSLY HIT A TREE. The residents HEARD HER HIT IT. Thats why her hair bags went off and her head hit the windshield. Once again, I wish you wouldnt get caught up on these details that dont have anything to do w her dissappearing.
+Pasic TP plus, do we really know for sure if her head hit the windshield or if it was already damaged before the wreck?
+Pasic TP There is also the possibility the crack was caused by the airbag deploying.
We don't know that she hit a tree. That point is very much not settled. Eyewitnesses may change their stories based on their own expectations - for example, people relating the 'facts' of a car crash give significantly different speeds based upon the wording of the question 'how fast was Car B going when it smashed/bumped into Car A?' Eyewitness accounts can't be taken as certain fact; human recollection can be manipulated and inadvertently influenced very easily.
***** Yes, sorry. Above all else, that is the take-home message.
John Smith is nothing but a conspiracy theorist.
The fender bender conspiracy should be easy to resolve. If insurance info was exchanged a claim against Maura or Fred would've been filed or the other driver could've stepped forward and said what happened. Throw enough shit, I guess.
Does anyone know how I can contact Fred Murray. I have some very interesting information to pass onto this poor man. An email or phone number would be fine.
Species Xanadu contact him via Maura Murray missing.com.
Says in the description to contact NH police if u have any new information/leads. Also provides number/email to contact
Mike Gill .
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Bigfoot took her....
Freds blaming all and everyone and no doubt talking as much crap as everyone else, He admitted it was him who told Maura to put the rag in the exhaust because the car was blowing black smoke, While I don't doubt for one minute his feelings for his daughter I also think Fred loves his center stage position too it's his famous for 15 minutes
People like you truly diagust me!!
Is it a 'great great day' for Maura? hmm..
Yes and it was.... It is good that 12years later people still cared enough to go there and show support for her and still care what happened to her, that is what he meant..
Si es que esta.muerta.Que descanse en paz.Aunque yo creo que el tipo que le hizo el video en 112dirtbag del Feliz Aniversario.La violo y la mato y para que no haya sospechas atropello su auto.
+MLP STARLOVEMOTION Per Google translate for those that speak English lol
If she is dead. Rest in peace. Although I think the guy that made him the video of Happy Anniversary 112dirtbag . Raped her and killed her and so there is no suspicion I run over your car .
Chris Davis thanx :D
COPS, GOOD BAD UGLY BENT
You sound pretty damn smug. Cities are bizarre, this is nature.
31:25
You're just super disconnected from the woods, that's it lmao city folk
1. Is John the Truth Teller also The Wolfman?
2.
I would like to know his email address if you would forward it please. I
have been looking but can not find it. Thanks in advance.
3. Questions I have.
A. What king of vehicle was the Wolfman driving the evening Maura crashed?
B. Where was he on the night of the crash.
C. Has he been questioned by police?
D. Do you believe he is hiding in "Plain Sight".
E. The podcast Armchair Detective sent you a challenge.
If you have not responding with the documents requested, WHY NOT?
F. From these podcasts it leads to Wolfman is involved. Your opinion please.
Maybe this is why the NHSP are having difficulty bringing charges.
Thanks,
Lou