The Disaster Of Rainfurrest 2015
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Today, let's dive into the infamous drama of Rainfurrest 2015. With unruly attendees showcasing some truly inappropriate behavior, irresponsible organizers who put attendance numbers above guest safety, and one truly fed-up hotel, Rainfurrest was a ridiculous spectacle that would go down in internet history as one of the most disastrous conventions ever,
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“Yes, a lone gunman pulled the trigger, but the board of executive staff sold them five years’ worth of bullets” Such a raw line and it’s about a furry convention lmao
right
Brig I need to I use that line now
saving for english class
17:53 Had to go find the timestamp cause it was such a good line
It sounds so epic
I find stories about cons and festivals that go off the rails fascinating, I don't know why exactly. It's like they're tiny temporary societies and when they go wrong you get a miniature apocalypse.
dashcon is my favourite terrible con
Honestly this is way fandoms fascinate me as well. Some fandoms really do feel like Lord of the Flies at some points (vld survivor here lol) but what fascinates me most is how there is often not much of a leader. Sure if it’s a fandom for a media there’s the creators of it, but they clearly aren’t respected enough by fans since their word is hardly ever gospel (which to be fair, that much isn’t a problem, nothing wrong with headcannons and fanfiction) and the sheer amount of death threats they get. I supposed their are also respected members of a community such as well known fan artists or youtubers but not everyone in the fandom knows them. There’s no “government” or structure to fandoms so they are this anarchist free-for-all
I should clarify I’m not saying fandoms SHOULD have a leader, this is simply an observation I made
That's actually a perfect way of describing it. It's also worth acknowledging the positive outcomes that can occur. It allows people to experiment with different social paradigms from the ones that are so entrenched in modern Western culture.
@@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208 She's cute
I'm a hotel manager, we look out for our fellow hotels in the area.
When we experience a criminal or extremely unpleasant individual, we will contact other hotels and share their names, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that every hotel rejected this side-show, I know I would.
It reminds me of what the Internet Historian said in regard to this: "Big hotel chains *talk."*
I once went to a furry rave party and when I walked around with my furhead one I felt a tap on my shoulder, I looked back and saw the mouth of a gun, than I heard the trigger.
I informed the management and left, when I came home my mailbox had like... 20 massages that all were the same: 'Don't be overdramatic, everybody knew it was a fake gun.'
1. no body told me.
2. this happen a week after the shooting in Belgum.
3. She never excused herself.
That sounds awful holy crap. I’m glad you’re okay
i hope your okay, nobody should ever do that to anyone without permission as a joke first
The fact they sent like 20 messages says a lot about the fact they knew it wasn't ok
wtf, and then harassed you after? What a scary person :(
"It wasn't a real gun" doesn't fly as an excuse for armed robbery for a good reason. It honestly doesn't make a difference if the gun is real or not, the threat is the same. The fear you experienced in that moment is the same. You have to ask what the joke is when you point a fake gun at someone and pull the trigger, because the only answer to that question is that the "joke" is that they are scared for their lives for a split second.
Me: You got the shit?
RUclips: *gives me a video essay on a fandom I was never in*
Me: Das good shit
Same
I know more about the furry fandom then any fandom i’m actually in
That's the best kind. I'm kind of addicted.
Any recommendations for more of the good shit?
@@blu- the Internet historian version of this event
'Fun' Fact: Rainfurrest was known for being the con that all the furries banned from other fur cons attended. Probably explains a lot!
Well that says a lot
Imagine how repulsive you have to be to get banned from a *furry* convention
@@baneblade__ Despite these total degenerates, the grand majority of furries are very nice and chill people. Every fandom, no matter how large or small, has a bad side. There's a reason they're the ones who got banned.
Wowzers
I don't understand
i burst out laughing at the part "they took to Twitter complaining that people are judging them"
imagine being that person and honestly thinking
"these people are judging me, an adult because i shit myself in front of them. how rude"
Seriously!! A bunch of weirdos get together an weird shit happens! Duh
Lmaoooo
How self-absorbed do you have to be to think that
I Asked one for a comment , but they briefly abstained
like they can do it in private, whatever, BUT INFRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE????
Rainfurrest con staff: "Pick up that diapie! " 👮♂
Babyfurs: Literally 1984
No, not literally.
@@scottcharney1091it's a popular meme
Now put it in the trash can
not in my america 😡😡😡🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 let the people shit where they want! it's a free country, even if big gov wants to pretend otherwise 😡🇺🇲🇺🇲😡🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Still can’t believe they found a venue who would be willing to host them after the previous year.
Hehe baguette
@@gravityknows hon hon baguette
Le baguette
Hon hon hon
HMMMMM BAGUETTA
“They don’t know better” is the WORST excuse for not enforcing anti-harassment measures because then the harassers are just going to assume their behavior always was and always will be okay??? Saying “they’ll just get better on their own” is like enabling an abuser by letting them do it and never reporting it to anybody.
*Sexually harasses people*
"Oh they'll be fine
Seriously. Fuck Rainfurrest. I'm glad it got banned everywhere and isn't around anymore.
Also, infantilizing people who are neurodivergent or socially awkward 😬. Like, they're still adults and need to be held accountable y'know?
@@thanatoast as a ND person myself VERY much this
@@thanatoast LITERALLY. Us ND people are still 100% capable of being fucked up people. We deserve to be held accountable when we do awful shit.
If the guy that got flung off the toilet was launched 3 feet and they weighed over 500 lbs, imagine what would have happened if it had been someone smaller, like a child. They might has gotten seriously hurt. It’s actually LUCKY it was someone bigger.
Do you really believe the water pressure in a toilet is powerful enough to heave a quarter ton through the air?
@@klomptphuh Doesn’t matter whether or not you believe something, it only matters if it’s true. Take careful note of how my comment begins with “if”.
If you’d like to provide me some evidence as to why it’s not, please feel free.
@@GippyHappy I don't think the toilet pipes would handlee that sort of pressure.
Fun Fact: The sabatour wasn't the only one to contact the hotels, there are reports of the hilton actully reaching out to some of the bigger hotel chains about the desaster
Bonus Fact: tampering with smoke detectors is beyond dangerous, as it can exspose you to LOTS of radiation
Passive countermeasures?
Yeah the staff trying to pretend like it was just one guy who caused all of this instead of their shit guests pushing the hotels too far is a disgusting lie to protect their own ego
I wouldn’t blame them for stopping this con from happening, normal furry cons have a few issues but this con was a frat party out of control
Good Modern smoke detectors don’t use radiation anymore they use a laser. But there are still a shit ton of ionization detectors still out and being made for cheap.
I can't imagine being high on a fury suit, that sound like the worst idea ever, the heat and claustrophobia of a fursuit wouldn't mix well with any drug
I could personally, probably would, at least try it. Hotbox my suit when I get one or something, lol
The kind of anonymity is a big factor, also it gets easier. You somewhat have to practise lmao.
@@fredericksaxton9782 yeah I'm down to hotbox in the suit but staying in there while high no way
@@jasp5097 I rather be high without anonymity than panick or od on a suit but for each their own
As a furry degenerate... being high in a fursuit is not fun and definitely a mistake-
Adam/YourMovieSucks (who's an open furry) had some insight--he said RainFurrest was either created by, or at least became the only remaining option for, furries who were banned from other conventions... most likely for the behavior documented above lol
Yeaaaaaah, the whole way the con staff/heads approached things, as well as the abundance of sh1t behavior, really support that idea. Would not be surprised if many of them were at minimum those "Furries other furries don't like" types who got salty and made a new con w/friends, hookers and blackjack.
Why am I only just learning that Adams a furry
Adam is a furry????
It's so funny when people just find out. Like look at his subscriptions lol
@@bakaichigo Oh, absolutely. I can't speak for rainfurrest specifically, but a number of cons that don't ban certain problem characters (coughcough nazifurs, most notably) don't ban them specifically because some on the board are buddies with those problem people or because the problem characters are some of the donors for the cons. Most fur cons are actually good about banning known problem causers, but some just... really are not.
I hadn't heard of Rainfurrest before this video. Now all I can think is "If Rainfurrest and Dashcon had a horrendous lovechild, it'd be FreeFurAll."
As soon as I heard it was held in Seatac (living around that area lmao) I immediately winced as I knew it would be BAD
Something about this reminds me of New Zealand's more standard convention, Armageddon. I went to the Auckland one *once*. It was fine, barring one incident that made me turn my back on it forever. Namely a professional seamstress in the costume contest mocking me, a 15 y'o who sewed most of her own costume by hand.
Thankfully the contest now has divisions for professional vs amateurs, but I can never forget that this 20's woman looked at a child and laughed at their love of cosplay.
That's horrible! I'm so sorry that happened to you, for an adult she acted pretty childish and gatekeep-y towards you. I hope you're still cosplaying/ sewing? I also went to Armageddon, in 2014 I think. It's the only convention I've been to before or since, though I'd like to go to another one day.
@@sabiyadusk7357 I don't have as much time for it with work, but I absolutely still do. I've been Raven multiple times, The Tick (with accompanying Arthur), Axel (KH2), Alphonse (FMA), Ash Ketchum, Mother Sarah from same, Mablerose from The Courageous princess... to name a few XD
The tick was intense sewing work. I did the muscle padding by making two of the costume suit and sewing the muscle padding between them. It worked really well :3
This year for wellington I'm going as the king of Rohan, my mother made the armour for her own project and I'm going to show it off
It was absolutely a gatekeepery thing. I have made sure that any cosplayers I see I encourage. I also run a standing repair service at cons (free of charge, costumes go BONK) so I often get to go "Oh I love this, tell me more about it!" while I put something back together, with no shame for it coming apart because any true cosplayer has been there.
@@philippak7726 okay, the standing repair service got me in my feelings, * sniffles * that is actually amazing and your whole attitude about it, please know I love you, random internet stranger ❤️😭🫂
@@becauseimafan Thank you kindly~
This year the notables were a non-cosplay hat that had its string fail and an optimus prime whose seams on the feet weren't holding up
patched up optimus twice because I found him again later with the crocs suspended in the footpieces had detached. More awesome tape was used.
I went to aucks armageddon for years and the judges they usually had for the cosplay competition always, always came across as gatekeepy and elitist af. The winners were almost always professionals from ozzie. I remember them turning down this little boy dressed as master chief because "he had outside help". Like no shit, but shouldn't you be supportive of parents helping their kid do something most parents would ridicule them for?
They also never allowed fursuiters at all even if they were a character from a show like a pokemon or something. Monster cosplayers were hardly ever showcased.
idea: izzy should come to a furry convention in a garfield fursuit and report on whatever's going on there
bitch,do you know how much a fursuit costs?XD ain't no way in hell she's spending about $4000 (base price) just for a video.
@@JT5555 is Garfield she’s gotta do it
@@JT5555 girl what kind of suits are you looking at 💀💀 ive seen them start at $2k for a plantigrade and $3k for a digigrade lol. and plus, she can always get a garf kigurumi, they arent that expensive if theyre pre-made, maybe around $60-$90, and they still fit in with the furry vibe
Me trying to make a Garfield fursuit bc I’m broke:
@@JT5555 she could just get some off brand garfield mascot costume for a few hundred online, otherwise like someone else mentioned, there's always kigurumis
Hello! Furry here! I have a short story that describes how much we DETEST this convention. Once I was sitting in a busy room at a furcon (Furlandia 2018) and I noticed a box fan in the center had some writing on it. I realized this fan HAD BEEN SALVAGED FROM RAINFURREST since it said “property of rainfurrest staff” or something like that on it. So I say “uh… Hey guys, this fan is from Rainfurrest.” The whole room went silent for about a second, then EVERYONE erupted into NOOOOOOOOs and OH MY GODs and DONT MENTION THATs. It’s so bad I sent an entire room of about 30 people into complete agony and chaos.
Oh man I would’ve thrown it away just in case it still smelled of shit.
yikes... yeah, furlandia was staffed by the same people that ran RF. please be wary of folks who associate with/call themselves PDXfurs.
@@matsuspeaks I’ve had no issues at Furlandia and have been 2 years in a row, so it seems they’ve cleaned up their act quite a bit. Figuratively and metaphorically.
@@matsuspeaks Whats a pdx fur? I haven't heard of that term before... is it NSFW?
@@Twiggyslims PDXfurs are a specific group of furries from portland, oregon. "PDX" comes from the name of the airport on the eastside of portland.
I get the whole "embrace your inner child" thing. A lot of hobbies and passions should be allowed to be embraced by people at any age. However, sometimes people get the wrong idea and refuse to endure any kind of personal growth. Here's what you get as a result of that. lol
This is the best way to look at it. Most regular furries or regular people in other fandoms look at it this way too.
There's just some people who think they can get away with anything and everything with no consequence. Ans then when people get on their case they try to deflect and call it drama or something of that ilk. Crazy stuff
as a furry who goes to cons and (god forbid) wears a fursuit sometimes, it was pretty refreshing to have someone just straight up cover some furry shit without spreading weird disinformation or their own snotty opinions lol. i wasn't attending cons back then but i had plenty of friends who were there and they still tell stories to this day. i knew most of this already, but it was fun to watch anyway! furry cons are certainly special lmao
@@rdred8693 give it a go! bring a friend and hit up some panels and look through the artist alley and dealers den. or just walk around and look at fursuits lol :')
Agreed. I'm not a furry and I've never even met or seen a furry, but for so long I hated them solely because of other people's opinions. The truth is, they're just normal people who like to have fun and express themselves. A lot of furries are even really good at craftsmanship because of the complexity of fursuits! I think it's beautiful that so many people could come together and appreciate just having fun. It's unfair that mascots are seen as normal and for some reason furries are treated like a crime. Yes, there are some weird furries, but there is always weird people in every single point of life
@@stay_comfyexactly! it's a hobby in the way anything else is, it's just more unconventional than a lot (or most... lol). there isn't a higher percentage of assholes or pieces of shit in the furry community than in any other community. it's mostly just a lot fo fun and really rewarding to just be your weird ass self lol
Yeah,.. no lol. Let’s not pretend that it’s just another hobby like any other. It’s borderline bestiality and there’s a massive amount of pedophilia and naziism in the fandom.
If I had a nickel for every time a charismatic RUclipsr from the Australian continent told me about Rainfurrest, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
she's from new zealand i think, not australia
@@TheDreamingBean they said continent muahaha
@@isthatawormwildbowreferenc4562 oh fuck me dead
@@TheDreamingBean you can fuck them dead by correcting it to Oceania
@@isthatawormwildbowreferenc4562 Absolutely change it to Oceania good sir
Imagine making a Convention so awful the hotel that hosted you told other hotels to NOT host your Convention
This... Was looking to see who else realized the HILTON was the blacklister. They were so pressed they basically/literally blackmailed the entire con to LEAVE. _"Cancel and pay the 100k cancel fee, or we'll act like you did, charge you then sue you for an additional 100k."_ I would just BET after 9 years of lacking any actual proper actions from RF Con heads, the Hilton just went and put them on blast. That's the sort of sh1t that gets done to you when you not only fvck up, but fvck up consistently and so badly that it inconveniences the entirety of the group you've collaborated with. It could easily have been a salty Furry, but I doubt that. Based on what I'm seeing, the Hilton would have 100% been most likely. Some rando is not going to be immediately credible, but another Manager from a huge hotel that's refusing to do business with a large-scale Con? Fits and I do NOT blame them honestly. RF should have just given up and gone in for a whole ass rebrand, would have had more luck. :|
That is bad
The same thing happened to The Who and Led Zeppelin
@@vanamq2459 ouch
I bet the janitors felt like Doomguy staying to fight the demons off for earth
The demons: *All the mf destruction and stuff he had to clean up after the event*
Also janitor: “Haha funny… I quit.”
Could you imagine being some poor cleaning lady and walk into a room that was occupied by "cubs".
@@chrisbg99I would quit on the spot
As a furry with very little money, I have never been to a con myself, but one of my FAVORITE activities is to go on twitter while a con is happening and stalk through the hashtags. I think the last crazy shit I saw was a con from maybe two years ago (?) where a bunch of people... er.... "arrived"... on a pizza. Conventions... gotta love 'em!
pizza is a wonderful thing, why would anyone defile it like that
Seriously? Infront of my pizza??
BLFC 21.. ahh yes.
*arms elements of harmony but it seems like forgiveness is off*
NO MERCY
DESTROY THEM
This is already too much to process wtf
PSA: If you are ever (God forbidden) sexually or physically assaulted....NEVER let ANYONE convince you to handle the situation "informally!" Someone else's social awkwardness or ineptitude is not, nor will it ever be an excuse to subject you or anyone else to abuse!
Also "We don't want to make clear rules, we'd rather play it by ear in private" sounds a hell of a lot like "we know or are people who engage or that kind of behavior and would rather bully any victims into silence than discourage it".
If people are just socially awkward, inept, or ignorant of what is and isn't appropriate it would be a hell of a lot better to have it spelled out than have them guess what "be nice" means...
As someone who is socially awkward. There's no way in hell that those people were socially awkward. Sociopathic yes, but not awkward. My kind would at least have the self-awareness to understand that they are going to attract unwanted attention. . . Right?
If they're really serious about handling things informally without getting the law involved, maybe they won't call the cops when you stab the fucker.
This is out of place but ok
@@UntaperedLeech ??
As a normal furry in the fandom, I'm disgusted with hearing what the small fraction of the fandom does- and the fact that it is them that give the rest of us that bad reputation.
Gods! I feel you in a astral level, as a furry myself who was present during those times.
@@emilypatriciagarciacanals4588 i was present only in 2016 and wasn't informed yet! Honestly, this fandom gave me my own strange experiences through the years.
It's why the furry Fandom is so badly seen by people's outside of it.
I hate furries because of what kero and others did to poor animals. In my opinion, the fandom accept to much disgusting things
@@juliepepin3988 we don't accept kero. We have no control over it tho. And we try to make them feel not welcome
Jeez, there are really 2 sides of the fandom. The kind, gentle, nice ppl, and… *this.*
When I told my mom I was a furry she said; "Don't be like those adult furries."
Know I know why she said that that.
It’s refreshing to hear about furry fandom disasters like this without the “hurr durr all furries bad” approach lol. It’s an easy trap to fall into when discussing some of the deplorable acts people were involved in but I’m glad you didn’t
What type of trauma did you witness to put that on your pfp
@@around441pipissharingaytac4
I’ve had this pfp since I was 15 and haven’t changed it since
I heard all you said with Bill's accent, & I find it super funny xD
but all furries ARE bad, though.
@@robokill387
Ok sweetie
great analysis! the furry fandom is an interesting mix of outsiders. the subculture provides an accepting social network for folks who have been unjustly marginalized due to their sexual preferences/gender identities/neurodivergencies, yet this "open door" policy also attracts another category of people who wanna poop themselves in public and leave the soiled diaper on a stranger's car. seems to be an ongoing tension within the community.
Man..communities like that are a wildcard
I'm just a occasional cosplayer who through that and some people who are somewhere in between being a furry and being a normy and yeah furries can be the sweetest people ever but some are just flat out insane and not in the good way.
I've met some I would actually consider dangerous in some way and honestly unless one of these friends who is somewhere in between is with me I tend to stay a bit away from furries. Very welcoming bunch but lots of people I would prefer to stay away from too which is kind of sad.
At least from my experience, there's been more being done in the fandom lately to be open and welcoming, but have cons and online furry spaces be a safe place for folks. Like, I've seen a more concerted effort to push out, e.g., Nazis (like, literal people-whose-fursonas-who-wear-red-armbands-and-are-named-"Foxler" kind of Nazis), MAPs, abusers, and zoophiles/zoosadists from the fandom.
@@NoirTheSable I remember the Confederate flag fursuit that was just a wolf with the flag all over him I remember that blowing up and laughing at the audacity of the mf thinking nothing would happen
right. on. the. fucking. nose. the core issue is that the fandom is likely THE most open and welcoming fandom in the world (a stance that was fought for YEARS ago) but that kind of openness is a double-edged sword because if you say that EVERYONE is welcome,then that also includes the freaks and degenerates that will no nothing but ruin the furry image (and,you know...crimes). it's TOO welcoming and the fact that the fandom was partly based on sex/other adult things really doesn't help matters.
I feel so sorry for the workers it must have been so embarrassing and awful to pick all that up
At the time rainfurrest tanked, I was working a hilton property down in Portland Oregon (The next nearest major city to the Seattle metro area) There wasn't any need for someone outside of the hospitality industry to start talking; there is a very active back-channel of managers that talks about these big recurring events, and the discussion of rainfurrest on that back-channel was damning enough.
Flashbacks from the Internet historian ensue… Can’t wait to see your take over this Izzy!!
So much nostalgia!
Haha I was thinking this too
Internet Historian is so fucking good
Right?!
lmao same
And so Garfield has blessed us again, speaking to us through its conduit.
I love that her greatest films are 80s Garfield specials!
Lmfao
Wait until you hear about the monthly house parties in the Seattle area and the problems that the furry fandom had there from 2006-2015.
I can also tell you ghosting the con (getting in without officially paying for a badge) was common, including people who were banned from multiple other cons. As a person who cut all ties locally with furries in the area, I can tell you that drugs and alcohol were a HUGE issue, as was problems with minors getting into parties and uh.... sexual stuff happening.
After I had constantly warned people about their behavior, I walked away from them all.
The party hard subculture of the locals was probably why this became such a big deal.
One incident that made me want nothing to do with them was the fact that during one party, one individual decided in his drunken state that he would follow my friend around and whisper slurs into his ear the entire time. When I confronted him, the people organizing the meet essentially ignored any wrong doing on his part, and later went behind my back to claim we were the ones starting drama, not the drunk person. He would later get into actual fist fights with people, and they would, instead of banning him from future events, banned the people he fought with.
Several of the people involved were also involved with RF and staff were consistantly ignoring real problems locally because "drama bad herf durrr". They were always the type that claimed "You're starting drama" if you called out bad behavior and because of their complete ignorance, it ended up costing them. It's still so prevalent that when a new furry convention finally was allowed in the state, many labeled it as "Disney-con" or "Kiddie-con" because they are, by contract, not allowed anything NSFW in con spaces and are VERY strict about the rules.
thank you for this video! as a furry who grew up in the seattle area, i remember when rainfurrest shut down and became anthro northwest, but never knew the exact details. it really is a fucking shame that abhorrent freaks exist in every fandom and they felt like doing whatever they wanted when the rest of us just want to have a good time and respect the convention host and staff
Yeah it’s a shame.
I keep seeing comments about people saying we are f****** weird and we act like animals when it’s not true. It happened because a bunch of disgusting people in the fandom got drunk
Yea this is a uniquely furry problem, you literally don't hear this about other fandoms. Maybe you should just accept that you're part of a community that includes the absolute worst of society.
@@Jane-oz7pp maybe you should make a fursona and youll calm down 😽
@@Jane-oz7pp not a furry, not a convention goer, let me tell you: what???
you havent heard of cons, on the early 2010s, BANNING homestuck cosplays because people cheaply painted themselves in gray, which smeared all over the convention center halls? unless cosplaying is already furry to you...
you havent heard of every single sticker nightmare after every comic con? stickers glued everywhere. on every single street pole, they crakced down on making people not do it on the convention center but the street turn into hell
when you say this is a problem exclusively to a single group, you close your eyes to the many very weird shit a lot of other people are doing. things interestingly weird enough to make a video about, perhaps. oh wait, that is literally izzzyzzzs job
like im not even saying that furries arent weird and cater to zoophiles and thats very abhorrent. what im saying is, maybe izzyzzz wouldnt have 900k channel if what you were saying were true LOL
@@Jane-oz7pp No, I think that would be the horror movie fandom because those are favored by serial killers :)
Re: the bitter ex-staff member sending all the emails to the Washington hotels, I wonder if people in the hotel community were also talking among one another. Could the emails have been from someone at the Hilton wanting to warn other hotels in the area about how bad the convention was? And that was why it was taken seriously, because it was from someone in the business? I'd imagine hotels in similar areas talk to each other about conventions or clients to avoid and this seems like it'd fit perfectly
As someone who has worked in hotels for many years I would not be surprised if this is the case at all. There's usually a culture of courtesy between hotels as healthy competition means better rates for everyone. Also Hilton is a HUGE company with a lot of subsidiaries so it wouldn't surprise me if the hotel in Spokane was actually a part of the Hilton brand under a different name and this was an internal veto or something got passed along through internal channels.
Or it could've been a family member or friend of someone in the staff warning the staff member, who then was asked if the person could send out a more detailed account. Since the con had already been banned from a lot of places, I suspect the initial warnings had already passed around, and it wasn't until someone heard through external means what exactly is about to happen that there was a request for more information.
If the claims that Hilton blackmailed the convention organizers was true would you really put it past them to also warn all possible convention centers and event halls?
As someone who's had experience working in a similar community, I can absolutely believe managers/employees from other hotels trade horror stories with one another so that's a pretty safe bet on what happened.
Edit: I talked to someone who works in hotel management and she told me that hotel employees under a larger parent company absolutely talk to each other about this kind of thing.
Yeah Internet Historian said in his video that the different hotels in the Seattle area were warning each other, which is why they had to go all the way to Spokane
imagine just being a normal person who just so happened to really like funny talking animals and you go to this convention thinking you're gonna have a fun time talking about your interest with people who share it and other stuff like that
THEN ALL THIS HAPPENS
Even worse, imagine you're just some guy who has a layover in Seattle so you're staying at the SeaTac Hilton while this is going on.
@@FrenkTheJoy this would make a great movie
You should try to escape as fast as you can without getting tackled by a weird furry who has every single disease.
@@theokkali467 Now I have the image of a Champion of Nurgle in a fox mask, thanks.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God Yeah right, they will have puro from changed on they coffin 💀
This is the first video i've seen of this channel. The mere quantity of Garfield intimidated me at first, but as the video continued i felt at home
You'll get used to it
This year at Furpocolypse there was a couple of incidents. One was in the main hall during the 18+ dance (which I don't think anyone was checking ages for unless there was some mark on my badge I didn't notice. There was also a mandatory mask policy that half the crowd seemed to be ignoring) where someone brought a 4' beach ball and the crowd hit it into the ceiling hard enough it knocked down 2 ceiling tiles. There was some near misses with a chandelier and the audio set up too.
The big one that everyone talked about though was The Window Indecent. For context, theres a big open main area that's surrounded on 3 sides by hotel rooms and then the main entrance. All of the hotel rooms facing inwards still have windows for some reason. The Incedent happened on Saturday I believe, someone punched a gigantic hole through their window and rained glass on the people below. I wasn't there but from a blocked off area I'm fairly certain the window was directly above the main entrance to the artists alley/dealers den so it was heavily trafficked.
the way someone who was there said "i remember the diapers and emergency responders firsthand" and the con twitter had the audacity to say "yeah but it wasnt the tornado the internet was making it out to be" huh?? what do they define as a "tornado" then? a sinkhole opening up under the venue? a literal tornado?
Literally every furry convention of any real size has first responders show up. Any convention of any real size practically does.
They were probably one of the good ones who weren't getting into those kinds of con-ending shenanigans and didn't see the extent of the chaos
i didn’t have an experience with rainfurrest, but i had a friend who went to midwest furfest in 2014, when the hotel was chlorine bombed. he ended up in therapy for years. shit sucked.
I feel bad for your friend?
The hotel was WHAT?
i heard about this from a friend, yikes
@@camwintlenewell6448 Yep. Some sick fucko decided to set off toxic gas in the hotel. 19 people had to be taken to hospitals.
To add to how fucked up this situation is, the news anchors of MSNBC, who covered this story, LAUGHED. THEY LAUGHED. People could've gotten killed and yet the news anchors were laughing like "LOL funny animal people almost died". In a way, that's also how the internet reacted too. Smh people are screwed up, just because they have a strange hobby doesn't make it excusable to laugh at their suffering. They're a human being just like you and I.
I'm not a person who wishes ill on anyone often, but genuinely SCREW those news anchors. I genuinely hope the two who laughed got fired or had some sort of punishment for their actions. GOD that report makes me so mad. Sorry for the rant that situation genuinely pisses me off-
Also, to the OP, I hope your friend has gotten better. I wish him well! 💖
My ex was there too, he said he was going to the dance hall when suddenly people started yelling and running the other way. I'm sorry your friend had to endure that, it sounded terrifying.
Haha, I attended RF 2008-2014, had a (mostly) great time-- my husband and I decided to skip 2015, figuring we'd go the following year. Really dodged a bullet on that one, I guess.
No, you dodged a missile.
Wow I’ve only been in this fandom for a few years and I’ve never heard of this and now I see why. The attendees destroy the hotel and when the hotel manager has had enough they eat the contract and the attendees blame the hotel
Never told anyone this, but I went to a furry convention around 2013-2014 as a minor (about 12 years old). And there was a guy there that kept pestering me, even with my mum around, he was overly interested and kept saying inappropriate things. For example, when it was “fursuiters only” in the room for the fursuit photo shoot, and my mum had to leave, he came over and insisted on looking after me. Luckily we had a trusted friend there that watched me instead. This guy was creepy.
This guy ended up being reported to the con and was put on a last chance warning, and then the following day he came up to me and another minor, put his arms around both of us, and said something like “so, it seems I was reported for being inappropriate with a minor?” I freaked and mum and I left the room. He got banned from the con for inappropriate interactions with a minor. But this isn’t where it ends.
So it turns out Pocari Roo was friends with this guy, and pocari made a couple of posts on Instagram about the situation and this man, defending him. The man had told her a story that he got banned from the con because “an over protective parent was discriminatory over grey muzzles (older furs)” and because Pocari is a popufur everyone jumped on their bandwagon and were posting harsh comments about me and my mother without even knowing who we were or what the full story was. If you scroll back on her Instagram far enough one of these posts are still up.
This guy has since claimed to have left the fandom, but he still wears fursuits and is really into the blow up toys aspect of the fandom. Either way he is creepy.
I’m still apart of the fandom none the less, making fursuits and all that, but yeah some of the members of this fandom aren’t right, that’s for sure. I will argue that most of the fandom is neurodivergent (as myself and all of my current furry friends are) and although that isn’t a bad thing at all, from experience it makes things feel a little weird when someone isn’t getting help for some potentially fucked up thoughts and behaviours.
That’s all folks, thanks for reading I guess?
I shouldn’t be surprised that Pocari Roo of all people defended this, but I kind of am. Popufurs are just fucked in the head it seems. I’m deeply sorry you had to go through that, he was not in the right for harassing you like that.
I see, can you tell me who is the people he harass you?
Because I went to her instragram I didn't found any posts about this guy, maybe I miss it or she already delete it.
@@NeuroticBotanist from what i understood from reading this, Pocari was lied to and thus was defending him because she thought he was banned for a dumb reason. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong tho
@@tadbitsketch that’s also what I got, some people just either know what they do but like about it or simply don’t understand the bad things they are doing
This happend at a Anime convention in my country.. They literally sell people to take pictures as a "harem" and one guy buy at least 6 girls that were minors 💀
Wtf
Wtf
I’m not the smartest person when it comes to internet slang but fuck I wish I didn’t know what this comment was talking about
@@x_kittrix oh no
And that's why I will probably never go to an anime convention!
I can't imagine the new furries who were so excited for their first con and have it turn out to be an actual dumpster fire. My first furry con was a great experience and ended up reinvigorating my love for the fandom. I ended up making my first fursuit and attending another con a year later. I have since had a couple bad experiences at cons but nothing to this extent. Like you said, I think a lot of the issues with conventions have to do with the staff and the way they operate. The only issues that I've had were on the people they hired/volunteers and making sure they were doing their jobs properly.
I think it was at BLFC 2018 and I was going to the furry concert. When I got there, the volunteer who was in charge of keeping people out until the stage was set up was drinking on the job. When the concert was about to start, we ended up leaving because more staff and volunteers were drinking by the stage and it turned into them doing shots. I personally am very afraid of p*king and the rate they were doing shots and drinking vodka from the bottle looked like they were headed in that direction, so I left. My evening wasn't ruined though, me and my friend found something else to do and the rest of the con ran smoothly for us. I wish these things wouldn't happen though.
i feel so bad for all the genuinely nice and sweet furries that have to deal with this as their reputation now :(
I've been to only one irl furry convention (Confuzzled 2019) and compared to the horror stories of US cons, it was pretty tame in comparison lol. I think there was some mischief but it was very minor stuff such as a hotel room bible being thrown out a window and a random shoe in the hallway that became a running gag.
'running gag'
Nice
Lol, whose shoe was is this?
@@emilypatriciagarciacanals4588 I don't remember lol
to be fair i think a big reason US cons have so many horror stories is that the volume of cons going on is so big that you're just bound to have more that go wrong
I'm sure there's more to it but
The mischief happens in the 18+ only hotel rooms at night in european cons. I'm guessing it's the same in america now.
i love how your ever changing look brings so much personality to the table yet you never address it. it's just part of who you are. i love that
I love all of the outfits and makeup she does! Such a sweet way to see her personality
"Personality"
Iconic
Being high in a fursuit sounds like a nightmare. Like some sort of hellish hazing.
I legit keep rewatching your videos just because of how amazing they are
“It was a weekend to remember, but not in the way that anyone hoped.”
School camps in a nutshell.
@ButterBay ewW WTF
@ButterBay in 5th grade 🤮children
*backs up slowly*
I was lucky then. My school/summer camps were pretty tame and genuinely great experiencs (Though that may be because I'm from a different region)
The second largest furry convention in the world (Anthrocon) happens every summer in my hometown! My sibling's girlfriend visited once and was surprised to see people walking around downtown in fursuits and I was reminded that not everyone is used to seeing that every year! By all reports it's usually pretty chill and good for local businesses so I'm happy to have it here
You're so lucky to live right where Anthrocon happens!!
what is the first largest?
@@guacbird Midwest FurFest! I thought it was Anthrocon until I looked it up today
@@guacbird MFF only just surpassed Anthrocon's attendance as of 2018.
@@alanadickey4074 Ye, it happened within the last two years that major conventions were happening (2018)
This is my favourite video from you! I love rewatching it :)
The furries with the diaper had me in stitches 😂 I’m from Seattle and this is EXACTLY the type that would happen here, I’ve never heard this story before now what a great story thanks 👍🏻💯
I have family that participat in Furry culture, with a couple of them actually often being either Con Staff or Guests of Honor, and while neither of them attended RainFurrest 2015, it was still a well known disaster.
The family member I have that often attends cons as a staff member has mentioned one con they attended where people had moved all the potted plants to another floor as a prank, which sounds pretty funny as long as it was cleaned up by the prankers afterwards.
From what I understand, Furries in general are a delightful bunch of creative like-minds, and I admire the ingenuity in many of their fursonas and costumes. But, as with any large Fandom (trust me, I'm a Sonic fan, I know this), you're going to have a handful of wierdos that ruin the fun for the people who are genuinely there to have a good time and reconnect with thier friends they may have not seen for months.
Whats up with pranks and cons? Staff already have to deal with a huge mob of probably drunk and definitely stupid people and they also have to clean up and pay for their stupid pranks? Tf out of here
@@shaunyjimenez9637 I totally agree that damaging pranks are totally not okay and should be reprimanded, I was just referring to a more harmless one that the people who set it up had put everything back in place by the end of the night, and only localized it to one area. From what I understand, it wasn't that big of an issue, and didn't cause any unnecessary work for anyone who actually worked at the location.
this ^^^
@@raelogan k furry
@@ShingoShojiCoolVibrations Ironically, I'm not actually a Furry. I just like drawing cartoon animals because it has a much more lenient form of anatomy when it comes to squash-and-stretch with animation.
I happen to be a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog and Darkwing Duck (and Disney Ducks in general) because I grew up with these familiar characters, and appreciate the nostalgia they envoke and the consistency they provide by having been around for several decades.
I also suck at designing clothes, so the simpler the world rules, the better; I can focus more on the character traits than trying to figure out what the heck thier shoe treads should look like and what color thier stupid shoelaces should be.
If anything, I'm less Furry and more of a Toon Enthusiast.
Besides, Furry isn't really an insult, if that's what you were trying to go for. So WHAT if someone enjoys a little bit of fantasy on the side? Why are you so intent on destroying someone's fun just because you want to be a dick? What are you, some sort of stupid sports fan, or are you a muscle car guy? Comic book fan? Why would that be considered any different?
Honestly, the most interesting thing to me is that even at this scale, the furry fandom is called a singular "fandom" rather than just a full blown internet subculture. There's not really something in particular they're a "fan" of, so it feels more like just the usage of a word because it was already a word in circulation, but I don't think the connotation works.
furries also vary greatly in how much of a furry they are,though. the spectrum ranges from people that just like disney movies and TMNT to people that flat out think they are animals trapped in human bodies,so calling it a "subculture" is a little too restricting since you can be a furry in so many different ways.
@@JT5555 umm.. furries don’t think they’re animals lmao.
@@pencilRC1 there’s some furries who do actually think this but it’s not the majority at all
@@jayschroeder6098 those aren’t furries lmao
@@pencilRC1 They are called Therians. Therian =/= Furry. However some Therians are also furries. Just as some members of almost any other subculture are furries. Therians perhaps moreso than some other subcultures because there is some thematic similarities such as the involvement and reverence of animals.
Source: 20+ years in the fandom, 8 of them as staff at a con.
Fascinating, wacky stuff. Nicely summarized!
@Izzzyzzz, I’m glad you made this video it sheds more light on the disaster of Rainfurrest 2015 than The video that I saw from Internet Historian about it.
I think it bears repeating that the sabotaged toilet was in the handicapped stall. the hANDICAPPED STALL. Like that whole thing was scummy enough as is but to target the handicapped stall like that is disgusting ableist behaviour
That's probably the worst part wtf
Imagine just lying down on the floor, unable to move, just getting soaked in toilet water. I would never wish that even on my worst enemy
even worse, they probably didn't even consider it was a handicap stall and just used it cause they had more room to work with.
GODDAMN. That's the stall you need the most, the fuck?
wow that makes it worse. what scumbags. ):
Sad thing is, the furry fandom is full of amazing talented people who are positive and cool. But like most fandoms, there’s always a bunch of toxic people who ruin the rest of the fandom.
It's unfortunate because I've seen the furry community touted as one of the most accepting, especially of LGBTQ+ and neurodivergent people, and have had many great interactions with the furry art community. But like all fandoms, there's always the toxic people giving it a bad name. :/
Are you just repeating the same thing everyone else says? The "most of them are fine, it's just a few loud ones that are ruining stuff" schtick?
As someone who is not big fan of furries but a kpop and anime fan,I can relate it
tbh people the one'a that are talented and just make cool art shoulnt associate themselves wiht them
@@David-si9cc Thing is, one least person did stop. He's dead now, but he decided that that community wasn't for him. He didn't hate them, seeing as how his gf was one.
To be honest, I don’t really identify with the content, but your voice is so pleasant to listen to, I can’t stop watching! I also really like your makeup and the passion you put into your videos
I really love your videos, you have a great personality, keep making great content.
"police busts" cant believe the police would bust to this
acaf (all cops are furries)
Imagine trying to handcuff someone in a fur suit
I remember when Rainfurrest mentioned moving to Spokane, me and a bunch of friends sent out emails en masse to potential venues basically saying "please god no"
Well done, you brave, brave souls.
heroes
Doing god’s work o7
Nice
Im guessing you were the anons who Said DO NOT LET THEM SPREAD
this is the reason all my co-workers freak out whenever our students mention that they're furries, they only know THESE kinds, lmao
Usually minors who are furries are sensible
Your make up is always so much fun. I mean, your content is great, but the makeup is half the reason I tune in. Love you girl
Can we just all agree that Izzy has the most relaxing voice to listen to
YES
no
I NEED izzy to do an audiobook
Yeaaa i always listen to their vídeos to sleep or while i work bc it's really soothing
No
I live just outside of Pittsburgh, so I've been in the city while AnthroCon is going on a few times, and wheewwwww boy, that's certainly a difference. Pittsburgh's pretty affectionate towards AnthroCon, but AnthroCon's also well-behaved enough to have lasted nearly 30 years. They do charity drives and host art shows and all that, and the foot traffic in that part of the city is always a blast when the con's going on. Few things compare to looking out of a restaurant window and seeing a 6 ft white griffon doing a dance for a toddler in a stroller. My heart grew three sizes that day.
that sounds so cute
what was the dance
Pennsylvania cons generally are harmless. Furries come to Zenkaikon every year and rarely are there issues. I've gone 5+ years and they do their best
@@SageGilbert191 an epic one
@@SageGilbert191 The Carlton
so glad there’s a video on this besides the internet historian one, his videos are usually mean spirited and hard to watch.
✨ Oh wow I LOVE her makeup in this video. I wish I knew how to do makeup like that! I love seeing the different makeup style in each video ✨
Unfortunately with drugs and alcohol so heavily in the mix it becomes impossible to have a culture of 'hey, let's all behave well to keep this community nice for everyone!' I feel bad for the organisers who were clearly watching their permissive, non exclusionary atmosphere of con management blow up in their faces.
BTW the tweets trying to defend the public diaper wearers really bugs me because what they are doing is non consensual exhibitionism. They could wear a diaper and use it in their room if they like the feeling, I don't kink shame, but part of the experience for them is walking round in public wearing a used diaper and clearly it was obvious to everyone what was going on. Saying hey don't fucking do this in public areas full of non consenting bystanders is not kink shaming.
Based on other comments, apparently what went wrong was that the con was for those who were banned from other conventions
Unless they were partaking in it as well. And the diaper thing is sickening, the things people do for pleasure
an "inclusive atmosphere" that allows drugs is only ever going to be inclusive to the druggies cos everyone else around them is going to have a shit time
@@marycanary86 Good point
You seem to not understand the intersectionality of the furry and drug community…
I feel bad for the other furrys who were just trying to have a good time, I also feel bad for all furrys I general cause stuff like this gives them a bad name and it gives people a reason to hate.
It's well deserved.
Don't worry about it. I think that most of the Fandom already knew the type of con that Rainfurrest was. It had a really bad rep already for the same reasons. It was always pretty toxic and with the worst types
@@MiloKuroshiro Oh yeah. Especially due to the fact that the attendees were those banned from other conventions.
@@MezzoForte4 what well deserved? the hate on the whole community just because some people were shit? this is irrational
I think any subculture so heavily focused on disguising who you are and subsuming your personality, mixed with the heavy sexual aspects, is doomed to have a very high percentage of unpleasant weirdos. See: 4chan, bronies, anime, any other terminally online communities.
I can not believe I have never heard any stories about this concidering I have been attending cosplay, comic, and anime conventions in Seattle and Spokane sense 2016! Like it blows my mind I haven't even heard of it
Its disgusting that an event supposed to be centered around friendship, having fun, and community turned so dark.
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
Throwing this out there, I think modern fandom zines could be a good topic to potentially discuss! There's quite a few scandals with well documented call outs, and not to mention how these high productions kind of go against a lot of what a zine typically was back in the day.
god,please no. we don't need more evidence of how horrible furries can be.
Is there a common culture to all fandom zines?
@@aeddiefarmer I've only been in a handful of fandom art zines myself, truthfully. But I'd say a lot do not adequately pay their artists, mostly due to poor management. Mods will have 30-60 artists on a project, which spreads any profit you make pretty thin..I've had friends that have made literally /cents/ from a zine for fully rendered illustrations. (The most I would of made one a zine would of been around 30 bucks but that mod ran off with it 😊) I will say its usually pretty well known going into them they aren't that profitable and most ppl are motivated by their love of fandom but I feel like its not the best thing to normalize for so much work?
The high quality expectations of the zine are also kind of a problem since zines are traditionally supposed to be cheap and obtainable and just a fun thing for a community. I've heard some folks say they wished they could call their fandom zines "art books" but it makes them nervous that it sounds too official and could have studios coming after them.
And then back to how hard they are to mod again...especially ones with so many artists. A lot of folks go into them with no experience and just can't keep deadlines or don't actually know how to properly estimate production costs at all. Modding/organizing projects is a pretty hard, thankless job to begin with so I'm not trying to roast anyone cause it's surely not something I would do but like...know your limits? Especially if there's money involved and a lot of folks depending on you.
This is just what I've observed though! Sorry if it's long and a bit all over.
I like this idea. There are so so so many fandom ‘zines that you could cover, dating back decades.
@@JT5555 most fandom zines are not furry related
I own a fursuit (or atleast a head), and I just have one question;
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD SMOKE OR USE DRUGS IN A FURSUIT?!
the ventilation in fursuits is already hard enough as it is, add to that the heat that comes with a full fursuits, the cleaning you would have to do to get the smell of drugs out of said fursuit, and oh, did I mention the damn heat?!
Marijuana fursuicide
They’re probably hot boxing themselves in the suit
If you smoked a cigarettes in a fur suit, you would probably cough on some smoke.
I am on a channel binge rn & the fact that you just insinuated that the ancient egyptians were furries? iconic. im obsessed w u
I'm apparently watching this a year later, but since I' ve been in the fandom for about 5 years now, I guess it's about time I learn about Rainfurrest 2015
From someone who use to live in Washington, I can tell you that Spokane (pronounced spoke-anne) is EXTREMELY different culturally from Seattle. Seattle is known for being extremely liberal, while Spokane is... well, it's like the whole city has made it's goal to balance out the "hippies" over in Seattle. Like, I've honestly heard parts of Washington outside Seattle being compared to the deep South or Bible Belt (the incredibly die-hard conservative portion of the US). On a more fun note, my very first convention took place around 2009, when "The Game" (yes, the one you just lost) was at the height of it's popularity. The convention Saboten Con, and anime con that was put on by the same people who have put on Arizona's absolutely massive Phoenix Comic Con for years, and there was apparently a WAY larger attendance than the people who ran it intended. The hotel they reserved was definitely not large enough for the crowd that attended. Nothing really serious happened that convention, it was just cramped as all heck. Now, I mentioned "The Game" because at one point con security literally started threatening to throw out anyone who mentioned it. Sounds ridiculous, but for reference, the hotel layout was essentially the lobby leading to a massive indoor square, which was used for artist alley. That square looked clear up to ALL the rooms. Every floor was a balcony overlooking artist alley, like one big hollow building. And since the hotel really wasn't that huge, artist alley was pretty much the only place to just hang out if your weren't in a panel. Thus, when someone screamed "I lost the game", you had a huge, extremely compact crowd of people all immediately start shouting and groaning, many of which were sweaty, tired, stressed, and all around irritable. But again, the place was so densely packed that I'm not sure security could have thrown anyone out if they wanted, because even they couldn't push through the absolute ocean of bodies to catch any perpetrators.
ffs... You just had to mention TG multiple times there didn't you. I do not appreciate this troll & I feel attacked.
Lol JK, nostalgia feels in this post.
Oh man I remember anime expo in Los Angeles during those days and having people shout about the game in those long ass lines for some modicum of entertainment. That and shouting Marco polo across the halls for some reason became fairly innocent trends.
@@Snips.Snails.Fairytales OMG I forgot about the Marco Polo trend... Happened out here in Canada too, one year. x'D Just got assaulted by memories of being straight up confused about why people kept calling out Marco Polo at eachother. x'D
i wish i had been old enough to experience stuff like this
I'm from Spokane and lived there till I was about 17, and I wouldn't compare it to the deep south lol. It is very different from Seattle tho for sure
Fun fact- I’ve stayed in the hotel this con was held at. I didn’t know this was where it was held until after I left and I have no desire to know what happened in my room
off topic but your whole look in this vid is soooo cute omggg i love it!!
My older brother works at an anime con every year and I remember him telling me one year, a group of furries went next door one night to the Cabela's (hunting and outdoor store) and had a "Furpile" in the Kayaks outside.
What is a furpile?
I feel bad for the normal furries who just prefer drawing furries, y’all don’t deserve the hate you get, the bad furries do.
Thank you.
Every basket has its bad apples
Unfortunately, like all fandoms, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole bunch.
yes
Yes I drew furries in a roblox game, and it got scribbled over and I got bullied. I even drew two with their noses Booping, and they thought I drew them kissing so they kept trying to kick me out. Very sad. :(
Fun fact: I was still doing commissions back then, and was supposed to attend. I had to cancel last minute due to a family emergency. Bullet successfully dodged!
Why'd you stop?
Good for you!
i thank you for using the petz catz 2 ost
i thought i was the only one that liked that game
Oh, wait, just started watching another one of your videos, counted the Garfields, and it's a tophat ... cool, love your videos.
I'm afraid of furries. Not because of furries in general, they're pretty creative and most of them are pretty chill people. The reason why I'm scared of them is,
*The amount of money the spend.*
mood
@trakina We don't buy fursuits AT conventions (sometimes partials, those are cheaper/not full body). Those that buy usually save and have someone custom build it.
Right? One of my neighbors’ daughter makes commission fur suits even though she has no interests in furries whatsoever and she makes BANK. Like we’re talking about 4-5k per suit… she has a 2019 Porsche and a Tesla… how people are okay with paying that much for a fur suit? I have no idea… that’s like enough to feed a family for a couple months…
@@jamescoyne4559 Because there's been a lot of technique and skill and shared knowledge put into that part of the fandom. They're built to last, very individual, and Furries know the importance of paying an artist a damn living wage.
as a furry myself, to be honest this surprises me too a lot of times. i had to make my own suit in order to have one as i couldn't afford to commission one. i can't spend much money, but oh boy i wish i could. but the lack of money gave me a new way of being creative, so i guess something good came out of it?
Izzyzzzs, I dunno how you’re putting out such high volume of great content recently but i am 100% here for it. You’re definitely getting me through Jenny Nicholson’s absence.
Same bro 😔
im absolutely screaming I literally came from a Jenny Nicholson video to this
Izzy, Jenny and Sarah Z are the trifecta of weird internet explainers
Jenny’s content is SOOO good but if you follow her on Twitter, you’d find how she picks up and shelves projects if she feels like the video isn’t going to meet her own standards. I get it but I just wish she’d post more monologue type stuff as well ;_;
@@sprklmuffin4526 Her stuff is so high quality I'm afraid she's going to burn out with that need for perfection.
Off topic but I love your hair and make-up sm!!
Imagine this: Its 2015 and your alleged 'friend' has this "GREAT" Idea to go to Rainfurrest.
Obviously, I didn't (and still don't) own a fursuit. I told her, "That'd be amazing, but I don't have a fursuit, and neither do you." and she replied with, "Yes, but you don't need one to enter." I said OKAY, and we started packing to fly to Rainfurrest. (Little did we know, this trip would scar us for life) We get off the plane and there's Furries EVERYWHERE. (Not that it was a problem but WOW) and we were getting ready to go to our room. Then some random adult furry is like, "Are you two here for the convention?" We both nodded uncomfortably, because it was a GROWN MAN. Then were just hanging out in our room, and the room next to us, they were like banging on the wall or something. AND MY FRIEND LEGIT SAID, "Yo, I wanna leave" AND IM LIKE- WE'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR TWO HOURS AND I ALREADY WANNA LEAVE TOO. But... obviously, we can't just leave. We'd have to wait for a flight and all that 'fun' stuff, so we grabbed and packed our things and tried to find a different hotel to stay at. Long story short, worst convention EVER. (In my opinion, anyways)
What
I know this is off topic , but we need a makeup tutorial from you, your makeup is always on point!
A makeup video at some point would be awesome! Izzy could have a whole nother channel on her makeup and style tbh, it's super cool
@@illusrin Facts!!!
@@illusrin i love her clown-like makeups best and this would be great
While Internet Historian's video on the topic was entertaining, I like that you were able to add context and insight into the events instead of just expecting "lol furries amiright?" to carry the video
Not to mention Izzzyzzz doesn't use alt-right memes in her videos so this is definitely superior
@@konataizumi5829 yup exactly. this is why i also prefer sarah z's dashcon video. it just seems kinder and less "lol stupid tumblrinas"
its unfortunate that his older videos reek of that
@@midoriasakusa Has ge suddenly grown a conscience and become an adult?
@@konataizumi5829 "alt-right memes" good lord you can't be serious
I had been an organizer of an out of town furry organization. When we showed up at the convention the last year we saw someone who had been banned from several of our meets for illegal and often times violent behavior. When we came to quietly let convention staff know to keep an eye out for the person along with some of the times we'd had to call the police for the individual we were threatened with expulsion from the convention for trying to harm the convention's inclusivity. That individual ended up with police called twice and in an ambulance the third time they were taken from the convention. It was just... So sad that we tried to help and were discouraged.
Wild to think that when this all went down I was in school an hour away in a town just north of Seattle.
i feel so bad for the innocent furries, and the staff who had to deal with this. these kind of things are what make the fandom look so bad.
not gonna lie,a part of me questions if i should choose a different fursona to get a fursuit made of (she's a disney princess-esq cat girl from a mystical land of wonder where only the purist and most kind-hearted are granted powers) simply because i fear what would happen if a fursona that innocent were to go to a con full of degenerates. in reality,i could easy beat any of their skulls into the ground and would without hesitation but i'm also a VERY committed actress/fursuiter and don't want to break character unless i ABSOLUTLY have to.
@@JT5555
It's easy and fun to find non-perverted ways to take perverted things...but.
You're also going to paint a target on yourself, and some folks will absolutely want to win that game.
If you're in good company, they'll limit themselves and respect whatever rules you've got going. It can be a running joke among friends?
But I've also met actual predators who were attracted to innocence. And what one did, without my consent...she's why I'll never regard myself as a furry. .
So, before making a decision, make sure whatever slice of the community you join is open-minded about good people, and judgemental as hell about anyone who'd try to hurt you. And this remains a necessary precaution, even if you decide to play the most evil creature you can imagine.
Eh, it's a bit more complex than just "these kind of things". But I see where you're coming from.
@@novatare mhm, you know what i mean
I don't think there were a lot of innocents, but that's just me and my gradually loosening mental stabilty
Washingtonian here! Seattle is a pretty common place for cons to go because we're pretty subculture-friendly generally speaking. Also, they're right. Spokane is way, way more conservative than Seattle by just a ridiculous degree, and it's 5 hours from Seattle. We have to drive through Spokane to get to our family's cabin, and I always feel a little on edge there.
I have family in Coeur d'Alene Idaho and we need to drive through Spokane to get there. I hate Spokane lol
I’m the same with feeling on edge. Happens with a lot of places in Eastern Washington and Idaho tbh - I just feel this strange sense of not belonging when I’m there for some reason
Yeah, Spokane is weirdly conservative for washington
Spokane leftist here. Maybe it’s just my experience but I’ve grown up here and don’t see nearly as much conservatism as what is commonly reported. At least not to a “ridiculous degree.” Idaho, however…
This is like Oregon. Most people know you'll be pretty okay in Eugene or Portland, but you really have to worry about places like Springfield or Roseburg.
I can't stop listening to you speak, idc about what just calms me
7:39 imagine having to be arrested or taken to the hospital in a fur suit 😭💀✋🏻
They cut you’re fursuit to get it off of you too 😭
@@rhettwallace3435 Stopp 😭😭💀