the most insane thing to me about shipping rapunzel with every single attractive contemporary animated character is that she and eugene have easily the sweetest and healthiest romantic relationship in any animated franchise?? for being such a genuinely supportive and selfless love interest eugene gets cast aside and forgotten so much 😭
Noooo but speaking as someone who shipped Rapunzel with like basically anybody I could think of while simultaneously being a huge New Dream shipper I always didn't put Eugene in my aus or even killed him off dramatically because I was like "If Eugene is around there's no way Rapunzel would fall for someone else" 😭
@@dixiewhite2698 Can you imagine anything more embarrassing than having to go to your parents and ask for money to get a tattoo lasered off because literally no one will take you seriously with a handlebar mustache on your finger?
Rise of the Guardians was one of one of those movies that “flopped“ in theaters, but was a huge success with audiences and wins the hearts of everyone I’ve ever seen who has watched it for the first time.
I remember being 8 and seeing a bunch of videos of jelsa and fire Elsa. At the time I didn't know what tumblr was, or shipping, or fanfics, or anything really. But I really liked jelsa with all my heart.
Rapunnzel being a ravenclaw is because she'd gets written as luna lovegood, plus her creativity rather than smarts. her drive to have knowledge of the lanterns and where they come from is the driving force of her movie. she also works well in hufflepuff as she is extremely loyal and kind, hiccup.. hiccup could be all four houses, he is the one guy you could debate for hours on each. yes, he is the smartest but so is Hermione and she's Gryffindor.
@@editaudioaestheticI agree honestly when it comes to hiccup I’m sure it would be something akin to Harry Potter where he kinda adds his input on which one he prefers. However I do think that Ravenclaw fits him best. I mean just look at the things he’s made, 2 flying suits, multiple fire blades, a new leg, a huge map, a new tail wing for toothless, and learned how to fight/train dragons just by watching toothless. If he doesn’t belong to raven claw the most I don’t know what to tell ya.
@@editaudioaesthetic Rapunzel also seems to enjoy books, though that might be because she only had access to THREE her whole life, and seeing and looking at others was probably exciting. But still. Yeah hiccup being hufflepuff makes no sense, and honestly having multiple characters in one house makes sense for them being friends, right??
@@ratstanduser its still going its ridiculous. what was realy fun to see go down was the jack/rapunzel and jack/elsa shipping war.god tumblr wars are fun
I hate it so much😂 cause I really love the movies individually but I despise those crossover. But tbh people shipping Elsa with Jack are the worst oMg THey hAve iCe pOweRs tHey NEED tO bE a cOupLe... Uh-huh and you don't see the lesbian energy Elsa vibrates or are you just blind?
It's funny, when this fandom was big, I was phasing out of fandom obsessions and my younger cousin was phasing into this one, so one day I found her writing a JackxElsa fic on her phone and told her "I used to do that in my old fandoms too!" So she asked me to read her fic and proofread it for her, it was really sweet ❤
Wait no bc this is wholesome in every way. You opting not to judge or call your cousin cringe or anything like that and allowing her to have that phase is absolutely amazing! Imo having that phase is just fun, and you get to enjoy yourself!
that and all those: "merida can be seen entering the castle with elsa and anna at *insert time stamp from that one scene in frozen*", on top of really blurry gif of a little blob of red moving around in a crowd of.... mostly just hair lmao not sure i had tumblr yet but i remember those posts leaking over into facebook. i never understood what the obsession was, especially since i was relatively new to the internet to start with. for like a year i just assumed there was actually a movie coming out that combined the 2 series and everyone was looking for easter eggs
I had never even heard of this fandom EVEN ONCE and I was on tumblr constantly during this time. I saw your comment and it all came back to me like a smack in the face
I swear Izzy is the person who literally speaks out what I saw in the internet and wondered why it exists. She's doing our confuzzled thoughts a favor.
25:22 "Technically both had a large group of friends and sidekicks but because they weren't conventionally attractive they were seen as mostly irrelevant." If Astrid isn't conventionally attractive then my interests as a teen must have been unconventional lol.
personally i think she was excluded because they already had a blonde girl main character And a female character who was physically skilled. also maybe astrid was a bit too boyish for tumblr hipster edits...?
@@SkiddlyBink Yeah that sounds like a reasonable explanation. Personally, I have historically not been able to tell that someone is considered a tomboy until someone else points it out lol. When I was younger I think all that word meant to me was "hot" lmao
i was so obsessed with this. fans were so convinced that they were really gonna make a movie with the big four and when elsa came into once upon a time, everyone thought they’d bring in jack to be with her. a very strange fandom but the edits are genuinely really great
What did not help with that was the director/writer of Rise of the Guardians then endorsed Jelsa and said he wanted it to happen (then again, he’s like obsessed with shipping Jack Frost with almost female character he can find)
@@exammole4545 I have so much unfortunate info about the director’s shipping exploits. He once tried to say that a REAL LIFE woman was so in love with Jack Frost, she threatened to K word herself if he didn’t return her feelings.
21:21 how could you not mention the popular 2010s animated TV show trifecta Gravity Falls, Steven Universe and Over the Garden Wall, which come together to form the most glorious multifandom name I've ever heard: Steven Falls Over
I vividly remember absolutely loathing Jelsa for no more than one specific reason It's just 2 ice power people so people went "ohoho ice cubes, let's ship" and I did not stand for that lol
i used to like it because of the ice powers really (and bc i was 13 and had no clue and just shipped characters all over) but now that i think about it its so dumb.........like they literally have nothing in common except the ice powers and having sisters
I was the same too! And I specifically hated the “Enemies to lovers” trope, but only if it was with two characters from other’s works, if it was between someone’s custom characters them it is okay
personally the reason I didn't like it was because Elsa was like 25 and even though Jack was 300+ years old, he still looks and acts like a 14 year old and that was enough for me to be against it, but it could have been worse.... don't worry, I didn't go and scream at Jelsa shippers, (that would be just cringe and rude.)
@@kittykittybangbang9367 before starbucks started promoting official limited time instabait drinks, "secret menu" starbucks orders were very popular in the early/mid 2010s. I definitely remember secret menu unicorn and mermaid frappes that just sounded like a batistas nightmare, as you had to rattle off a long and specific order since you couldnt order them by name as these secret menu items didn't actually exist (yet).
Honestly, as someone who grew up on YT from 2008-2012, this fandom basically just felt like an evolution of ‘animash’ crossover AMVs to me. I never rly understood the appeal of crossover edits, which largely focused on editing Disney/popular animated movies’ characters together for a new narrative, but the existence of this fandom did not surprise me with that background lmao. Only surprising thing was how popular they were all collectively together on tumblr but tbh that just tended to be how 2012s tumblr rolled.
Fuck, I miss those days. So many old AMV/Animashes have been removed over the years. Literally a bucket load of nostalgia that I would love to have back 😭
The fact that dark Rapunzel now canonically exists in that universe and pretty much looks exactly how the fandom headcanoned her with the pitch black eyes and black hair will never not be funny to me.
For some reason I hated this fandom as a young teen because I viewed them as the 'cool hipster fandom' that were encroaching on the 'real' nerdy fangirls who liked wtnv, homestuck and like marvel lol. As if we weren't all spending all day being cringe on the Internet instead of like going outside lol.
It’s kinda funny knowing that “Rise of the Brave Tangled Frozen Dragons” essentially became the go-to fandom place to create/view animated crossovers. As someone who was completely absorbed into this fandom during my middle school/high school days, it’s kinda neat to see this fandom being discusses without completely disregarding it just a “sign of the times”. I’m pretty sure this fandom is what helped me get into writing and other creative endeavors, so I have to give it thanks for that.
Man, this fandom really embodies everything about early 2010's fandom culture. I was never a part of it but it always seemed so... interesting? I guess?? This one and the "Disney" crossover one.
I've seen Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons every now and then on Pinterest, DeviantArt, and tumblr. Each time I saw it, my Big Sister™ instincts would activate and I'd actively encourage the creativity. It's just so cute and heartwarming to see kids doing what they love, no matter how crappy the editing is. There's just something about it that makes me see the artist in them, and I love it.
I know right? Honestly, compared to other fandoms, this super crossover just looks fun and run entirely on headcannon. I have known the Elsa and Jack Frost pairing for a while. But I didn't know people has been shipping this movie character I don't even remember with all kinds of teen girl protagonists.
I felt so much pain watching this. This transported me straight back to my rise of the brave tangled dragons phase. I remember being so heartbroken and upset when people shoved aside Jackunzel for Jelsa. I was so atrociously anti-Jelsa. I was such a salty child. Was anyone else on the Instagram role play side of this fandom?
Yoooo, i disliked Jelsa as well (mainly because of how popular it was that almost everything was centered around them and how there were toxic shippers) but I never really trashed the ship or the shippers (respectfully hate maybe?) I shipped Jarida (there is so little content for this ship, its so sad) and Mericcup (with Jackunzel)
I also hated Jelsa so much, just because I didn't like Elsa as a character, didn't find her appealing or fun, I still think to this day that she is a quite flat character, Anna has much more personality on Frozen 1 and I didn't get the popularity of Elsa. Also, shipping just because they shared the same powers... Boring. Jack was such a fun character, in my head he needed something more fun, or crazy than Elsa. I loved Jarida, and Hijack, and also Jackunzel, they made more sense to me idk.
I never knew about all this big fandom until today. I just remembered seeing fanarts of Jelsa and ignoring it, cuz I wasn't really a big shipper in those days, until I saw Hiccup and Jack Frost content. I wasn't a fan of it, but I kinda liked it. In fact, gay shipps in general were the first thing for me to be a little close to what now we know as "representation". And thanks to my happiness of seeing queer characters existing I became a shipper.
Since every season has an associated element, it was typically: Jack - Winter - Water (cuz, yknow) Merida - Summer - Fire (obvious) Hiccup - Autumn - Wind (flying) Rapunzel - Spring - Earth (magic flower)
The big 4 is one of the least offensive fandoms I've ever seen, personally. Fans were always creative and nice, and honestly they picked the characters that I was drawn to as a neurodivergent person, so I might have joined the fandom had I discovered it at its start :)
I think that’s probably because it mostly consists (and has always consisted) of kids, younger teens, and neurodivergent people like us. It’s pretty damn cool how positive ROTBTD is and more or less always has been.
Back in the day, I had a classmate and she was so into this fandom that she had a lot of notebooks with thousands of fanfiction about this, and she used to make me read them and give her my feedback about her stories, I obviously never made fun of her I was very respectful with her unusual writing 😂. Hope she's doing better now.
I cackled at "Hope she is doing better now". 😂😂 As an avid fanfic reader for well over a decade I definitely understand how especially younger readers and writers can be a bit unhinged, not in a bad way but still very much weird.
Omg this just reminded me that I used to inflict the same torture on my friends, just with my own original stories. Idk if that makes it better or worse lol.
Oh my lords, the drawing of Hiccup at 13:52 IS MINE. Of ALL places to see a blast of the past is seeing your own art YEARS later online (I am SO curious, where did that one drawing end up without my old account name? I still have the psd of it....). A NOTE on that, I wasn't too keen on Hiccup being Earth at the time as I wanted him to be the wind but for shenanigans and headcanons and such between people I had to go with earth. I NEVER leave comments anywhere, this was enough to pull that curtain. Very fun video, first I watch on your channel and beautiful fashion style!
11:26 I think there's another group and it's the 4 dads (Santa, Stoic, King Fergus and King Frederick) hanging together. Honestly seeing chad dads hang out together doesn't sound bad at all
I can see Stoic, Fergus and Santa hanging out, but Frederick looks so out of place there, probably because they look like badass dads he is more an adult Disney Prince
I have a lot of respect for weird crossovers because the way people are able to fit together different plots and characters is just so creative and fun? Like, it can be cringe, but I like them on principle. I’m actually pretty involved with the current White Collar/DC fandom, which isn’t huge, but still oddly popular for how random of a crossover it is. It’s mostly based on a few works from a couple years ago that took off, and the discord that was started (I was one of the first ten members of the discord, and while I’m not a big figure in the fandom, I’ve been a passive observer for the last year or so) that helped people interested in the crossover get connected with other fans, which I think is a big part of the rise in recent works. For me, as a depressed 19 year old shut inside the house during a pandemic and unable to see my IRL friends, it was more about the fact that I stumbled into a community than it was about the crossover material itself, if that makes sense. It was really awesome to have a group of people who cared about the same niche fandom as I did, and that sparked my creativity and made me want to write, not because it was my single favorite fandom or whatever (I’d be hard-pressed to pick just one primary fandom, because that’s just not how I make and consume content), but because I knew there was this group of people who would read what I wrote and say nice things about it. This is all to say that I think a lot of it’s about other fans, not just the characters
Are those Dc/White Collar crossover about Tim or Bruce being Neal as an undercover identity? cause if so i may have read it too, through the timkon tag, my otp
I seen some of these niche fandoms evolve into something separate from the source material, such as changing the copyrighted characters into completely different/original characters and story. It's weird, but oddly interesting to see and even nice.
I remember being in the HetaOni fandom (Hetalia x Ao Oni) and the level of production and talent that was put in some of the artwork still amazes me to this day. Those were fun times.
Alrighty, I have a lot to say: 1.Wasn't expecting you to call Pitch a tumblr sexyman with no hesitation. 2.The one part about the whole dark au, I gotta point out that black haired Merida looks like Bellatrix Lestrange 3.I almost got sucked into this fandom in the past 4. I agree that Rapunzel would be earth and Hiccup air. 5. Hiccup would most likely be in in Griffindor not Hufflepuff. That man is brave. 6.Why is there a fifty shades of grey au!? 7.Can't believe no one thought of the big four being poly. 8.This is just people looking a kids movies and going what if we mess with the multiverse and mix them together, quite literally. 9.I need a fanfiction that has every single one of these characters, I'd read it 10. most of them have some major parent issues, all have varying degrees of trauma 11. Non attractive? Ha, I had a crush on Ruffnut I apologise for the rant (I can't spell)
Personally I see Hiccup as more of a Ravenclaw. They’re inquisitive right? Hiccup loves learning. He finds the dragon and literally studies it because the dragon manual had no info on night furies. He was also shown to be very invested in his map making in the second movie and finding new lands and stuff. So as much as it was a thing back then to categorize characters I’d say both Rapunzel and Hiccup would be in Ravenclaw house. XD sorry for the essay. Also I totally y’all’s points too.
I didn't ever want to go into this fandom, it looked so intense. I saw a book about it on wattpad (a Jelsa book with TONS of engagement, both good and bad) and the pictures on pinterest years back and just watched from the sidelines, in awe. Thank you for this video, you just brought me back some memories!
I was too busy on Percy Jackson Pinterest to dive into this fandom but I was constantly bombarded with the edits scrolling through the geek or humor categories back in 2013-2015
You just got into the intense side of it in its time of great turmoil. If you were introduced to its part where there were just 4 teenage crossover friends mingling and displaying their unique traits then who knows, maybe you'd be dragged in like the rest
I’m surprised she didn’t touch upon “Golden Blonde and Jet Black”...for those of you who don’t know, it was an impressively edited and really cute love story between Rapunzel and Mavis. I stumbled across it when I was younger and it was the first time I’d ever watched a lesbian pairing lmao.
While I really liked this fandom, my best friend LOVED it. She had a Tumblr ask blog, she actively talked to others in the fandom, and wrote a lot of fics. I actually drew fanart for her via her suggestions. She even wrote out a whole AU mainly focused on Hijack that I drew comic pages for. I still have appreciation for it (it's basically one big polycule, so course I do) and I do know many awesome people who were in the fandom at one point.
We love polycules here. And also this fandom just seems so interesting and also has characters that I love, and they do all seem to go together very well!
I really miss the early 2010's. I spent such a large portion of that era online so I witnessed it all, and as cringe-worthy as it was... it was already pretty enjoyable
As someone who was in this fandom a few years back I have to admit that RotBTD was always something that I truly adored as a kid - magic powers, funny stories, angsty drama, I mean, come on I'm glad this fandom didn't die cause it's something that's really worth remembering imo
True,, seeing this video was nostalgic for me looking back at my childhood just all out consuming disney crossover stuff. Those were the good ol days :))
Oh god, this makes me instantly remember how I made an “anti-Jesla hate” FaceBook page at 12 years old because the ship got so popular it was popular to hate it lmaoo. What a time the internet was.
I think the reason fandoms become a big thing is that fanfiction gives young writers an easy way to write a story with characters that are already fleshed out. It's hard to come up with your own original characters that aren't just direct copies of you with different moods or just walking tropes you see everywhere. Having characters that already have an interesting design, backstory, and personality allows the person to focus more on world building and plot development. I don't fault anyone for making fan fiction, in fact I encourage it. Any excuse to delve into the world of writing is a wonderful thing, and I hope that in the future, when fans grow up and out of their fandom, they can see that they have the power and the tools to make their own story. Sure, it'll take way longer to flesh out everything, but it's so much fun to have a full story that's yours.
besides the worldbuilding and narrative side of things, i’d say that writing fanfiction can also be a great exercise in learning how to write different types of characters consistently! writing characters that already have an established personality & background can be a bit harder than people think, as you can’t just change them on a whim or make things up on the fly because you’re not starting from scratch. it’s kind of like the difference between having an assignment prompt vs none; on one hand it can be hard to come up with something on your own, but you’ll have the freedom to do literally anything. on the other hand, a prompt gives you a more immediate springboard for a story, but then you’re also given a certain limit to keep things in line with the specific prompt/concept.
I know you had good intentions with this comment but the way you imply fanfiction is a "phase" for young writers really dismiss that fanfiction is a valid form of writing itself, not a learning phase, not something you are supposed to use as training wheels until you "grow out of fandom". I don't write fanfiction to learn how to write, I do it because it brings me joy and I want to share it with other fans. I doubt writing originals will ever bring the same feeling.
One of my favorite things about the fandom was when they purposefully made more and more horrible names for it by adding literally whatever movie had just come out. The scroll down on the wiki just cracked me up!!
@@darienb1127 Yup! When a new animated movie came out, people would just add it to the acronym and add the characters to the fanworks. It got ridiculous real fast, but it was all in good fun.
I joined the fandom cause I was just like "oh there's a crossover movie?" and then I found out it was just a thing on the internet and I got way too involved, I read fanfiction, I made art (the art consisted of bases and stick figures with hair but art nonetheless) and it was something I entirely forgot about
Oh my god nothing like realizing you’re part of fandom history! lmao I founded the original the-big-four group on dA with a friend of mine before passing it on to other people after leaving the fandom. It was a wacky crossover but we all had a lot of fun. Thanks for the walk down memory lane!
okay my two cents on this fandom. i was a HUGE part of it on wattpad, and my acc is still up. i had an ask the RotBTD, i had opinions on whether elsa should be included, and ofc, i partook in shipping drama. i was a HUGE jerida and hiccunzel fan, but i was also a fan of crazy niche stuff like elsa/flynn rider. i was big enough to have thousands of readers at my height, until i dipped forever and made a new, much more modest acc. this was such a big part of my childhood!
something i will say about crossovers, as a neurodivergent person, is that crossovers appeal heavily to neurodivergent people because sometimes? the mere thought of two or more of your hyperfixations/special interests being in just the same general area just gives you an unfathomable amount of serotonin, hence why a bit more weirder things like pooh's adventures are such a thing. plus, i remember being in middle school and being a little too obsessed with (cough) hetastuck...
When I was younger, I'd imagine a certain crossover between kids novels (diary of a wimpy kid, big Nate, captain underpants jermino Stilton get the point already) and one particular thing I can say is for the "who is the best protagonist of all these books" it was pretty obvious Greg heffley was the lowest tier
When I was younger I loved the “Secret Trio”, which was a crossover between Danny Phantom, Jake Long, and Randy Cunningham. All of them had secret alter egos and dark spiky hair, so I guess that was why they were put together 😂
@@davidhong1934 the show wasn’t popular. I’d say it’s underrated, but that’s just my personal opinion. The jokes were bad and the characters were meh, but for some reason it was my favorite out of the three anyways 😂. Unfortunately it was cancelled on a cliffhanger and the rest was history.
@@davidhong1934 To be fair all three were fairly short running shows Jake Long only lasting 2 seasons and Danny Phantom lasting 3 Jake Long in particular did seemingly badly since they changed the art style to be drastically simplified in the second season and from what I heard Danny Phantom was supposed to have 4 seasons but was wrapped up in 3 cause the writing was on the wall for cancelation.
God, can’t wait to see a video on the fandom that always perplexed me while I was on the cartoon/video game side of Tumblr in the 2010s. Truly was a time to be alive
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right ??? when it started to gain traction i was already a bit too old to get into it, but i wasnt old enough to not know about it or avoid it lol. a bunch of people i followed on tumblr were really into it and i remember very distinctly the very weird experience of like. seeing my neighbors' backyard being taken over by the big 4 while at my own it was just business as usual lmao
I appreciate all the heart and soul that went into this entire fandom. It's the same blissful sincerity as those terrible AO3/Wattpad stories written by teens you can find
The first time I was introduced to this fandom was from a video where someone shipped Mavis and Rapunzel together, and they adopted Vanellope from Wreck-It Ralph. 😂 For some reason, they made Pitch Black Mavis' father and the Sandman as Rapunzel's. It was an odd one for sure. I think you can still find the video. I think it was called "Golden Blond and Jet Black"
I think when discussing why these specific characters got popular it's important to remember that most of the people participating in this fandom were kids and teens, they wanted stories about teenagers who they could relate to and who had more complex narratives and interactions and stories, and disney and dreamworks movies are great at providing a spark for that, but incapable of carrying it very far due to the time constraints of a feature film, they can only really focus on one character's story, everyone else is supporting cast. I think attributing the shared attractiveness of the big 4 to the vanity of the fans is unrealistic, it was the studios making a conscious choice to make their main and therefore most developed and interesting characters conventionally attractive, in the hopes of selling more tickets and merchandise. The main thing the big four plus the frozen girls have in common is that they're protagonists, Elsa and Anna aren't quite as developed because they shared the protagonist position in their movie, but they had an established and developed and complicated relationship with each other and that was fuel enough for the teenage imagination to run with. Flynn Rider is also conventionally attractive but he's too grown up, his problems are more relatable to young adults than young teens so he got forgotten even though he was equally a protagonist of Tangled, and Merida is actually not particularly conventionally attractive because her entire story was focused around being a child, so her design was intended to look awkward and childish and immature rather than beautiful, a key example of this being her eyelashes and how subdued they are compared to the dark, feminine lashes of the other girls. There are other features I could point out but this is already an essay, the point is what made her compelling was not her looks but rather her character and story and how relatable it was to the teenagers making up the fandom.
Plus, the attractiveness theory requires thinking that the Onceler guy is better looking than the girl from How To Train Your Dragon, so it clearly misses something.
As someone who was in the editing scene around that time, one of the big reason why those crossovers were so popular was thanks to the green screen packs you could find on youtube. Editors shared green screen of those characters and since editing was becoming more and more popular, greenscreens were an easy way for kids to make edits they were proud of.
I was totally astounded the first time I saw one of the edits. I think it was this really edgy one with ‘Control’ by Halsey and the creator actually made doubles of the characters because this AU contained some sort of “alter ego” for each character- where they basically had the opposite colour palette and a bunch of tattoos. It was so well made in the eyes of preteen me that I genuinely thought it was an actual dreamworks production, I bet the video is still up too.
I agree that Hiccup should be wind and Rapunzel earth. That goes well with their seasons as well. I disagree with the Merida is Fall and Hiccup is Summer. Personality wise they are the other way around. Making Merida fall because she has red hair is the only reason I can see for it and that is a poor reason. Also why is Rapunzel, who while smart was more about showing care and loyalty to others, in Ravenclaw while Hiccup, who did show care but who had a substantial amount of his character arc focused on showing that brains beat brawn, in Hufflepuff? I am all for these tropes but…. Do they even trope?
I think Rapunzel fits wind more seeing how free-spirited and high energy she is. Also the fact that her breaking free from her chains is a theme that I personally see working more with wind than earth.
omg I remember being so engrossed in this fandom. I made “the big four” bracelets and gave them to my friends and I shipped Jack and Repunzel so hard that when Elsa came into the picture I literally left the fandom. It’s so wild looking back at my younger preteen self and reflecting on the emotions I felt during that time. It was a great community when I was in it, and I honestly don’t regret being so involved
@@abbakarenina Pretty sure he was around 23 in the tangled movie. Rapunzel's tangled adventure takes place over 3 years or so and he has a birthday episode where he was 26(I think). So i'd say between the movie and series hes around the ages 23-26.
My guess is that Flynn just didn't have that much going for him in terms of being memorable. Him being in his 20s instead of a teenager isn't why he wasn't popular, cause tumblr girls thirsted over superwholock who had all of its protagonists being adults. I think not only did his facial hair make him seem older, he just... kinda lacked charisma and charm. He had some in the movie but... he didn't end up being much more than a generic handsome thief with a heart of gold. Unlike Hiccup who had a memorable voice and quotable lines, he overflowed with charisma, or Jack Frost who had a developed and compelling backstory that appealed to edgy teens. Flynn Rider just... didn't have that. Rapunzel had a compelling backstory. His character was just... overally pretty generic. Generic orphan who generically resorted to stealing to survive. Generic snappy and sarcastic personality, and generic "he was always a good guy deep down".
plus there was the fact that he was constantly trying too hard as part of his swashbuckling persona and would deliberately go out of his way to show off and flirt. Kinda hard to thirst for a character like this, unlike Jack Frost or Hiccup who were sort of "hot without trying"
17:20 That was honestly one of the biggest problems when trying to find anything Hiccup/Jack related online. If you looked up Hijack, you'd get some action movie and a bunch of crime stuff. Frostcup has always been the superior name, but only like 1/4 of the Fandom used it! 😔
I was friends with the Big Four kids, but I wasn't satisfied with any of the characters, so while my friends were roleplaying Elsa and Jack Frost and Merida, I was roleplaying ... Ruber from Quest for Camelot, right alongside them. Good times. Ruber became something of a weird uncle to the gang.
Yo Quest for Camelot was and still is a banger movie and Im surprised the twins weren't somehow shoved into this mess due to being, yk, a two headed dragon. I appreciate the Ruber love he was an amazing villain
Read your comment and was like "hold on who the fuck is Ruber", then had the childhood nostalgia equivalent of a Jimmy Neutron brain blast. Quest for Camelot was dope, thanks for reminding me of its existence, LOL Also not gonna lie I'd /love/ to hear more about Weird Uncle Ruber's dynamics with the big four, if you have any extra stories you'd be willing to share on here?
There are cool crack buddy, spouse and partner pairings for many recent adaptations of Edgar Rice Burroughs’ works. A really fun example is a crack buddy pairing between the Dynamite Comics versions of both Tarzan and John Carter.
I love how the majority of comments here are long, detailed accounts of people’s experience with this fandom and how it shaped them as a person in some sort of way. It’s incredibly nice to see a video that was able to touch something really special in a lot of people, and also see that reflected in the comments section with little to no scorn from “outsiders”
Agreed! Also I don't see how this fandom would ever deserve scorn, except of course from pretentious "grown ups". It was extremely fun and creative. Also, a gang of characters with potentially interesting dynamics is always great. I have extreme respect for anyone who put their heart and soul into the art and stories, it's great to see people thrive creatively or get a first few tastes of being creative.
This is such a weirdly specific question but was it like implied that Rapunzel was the daughter of Sandman and Mavis was the daughter of pitch Black or was that something else
The whole "ew cringy" honestly reminds me of 7th grade when you couldn't vocally like anything that wasn't considered cool. I would have thought we'd gotten over policing people's intrest at this point.
Oh wow I had buried that jack frost onceler gif DEEP in the back of my mind Also, this reminded me of the Bad End Friends, it was another super popular tumblr crossover fandom with the eViL 🤪😈 versions of characters like dipper finn and wirt. I think it'd be really cool to see an Izzzyzzz video on that :]
I liked coming across "mystery kids" stuff, which was just a collaboration or Coraline, Over the Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, and I think in more recent years Hilda?
@@emmy_platinum Mystery kids was always one I LOVED as I as into the spookier type of shows, but it was always hard for me to find proper content for it, but I am now remembering an entire comic someone was making about it and I am now about to hunt that down at 5:30 in the morning
Back in 2013, my friends and I literally cosplayed as The Big Four. We went to a convention as these characters, taking tons of photos as the different ships. People knew who we were too! Lots of con goers knew about the Big Four at the time. It still holds a special place in my heart, not going to lie!
The only crossover AU I ever payed attention to was the bad end friends. I just really liked the idea of ‘but what if these characters didn’t have a happy ending?’
Rise of the Guardians never getting a sequel has always pissed me off. It was a huge movie, besides how it preformed at the box office. My younger brother just watched it for the first time recently and asked me about any sequels or spin offs. When I told him there aren’t any, he literally said “well that sucks.” I wish universal would have made something with the characters from the movie again
Man this brings back memories! Never was in the fandom itself but it was a constant presence - I saw it everywhere. Hell, one of my longtime friends is still in the fandom today. I always like that you touch on both sides of fandoms in your vidoes. Yes, it can be intense at times with unnecessary drama, but at the end of the day, the core of a fandom is, or at least should be, just people having fun and that's really what ROTBTG is. It's really impressive that this fandom is still alive and strong today, great vid as usual! :)
Omg yes I could not have said it better! All cringe and drama aside, people were and still are happy creating stories and art for this fandom which is the most important thing - having fun
as someone who very much was there, i’ve never heard them referred to as “the super six”, it was always the big six. i remember a lot of mavis or tadashi content (usually jackxmavis or tadaelsa) but the big six was the main stuff i saw. god i think this video caused a significant amount of psychic damage, especially when you showed frozen ii crossover holyyyy i do wonder how different the instagram and tumblr experiences were, it’s possible that the “which was bigger” argument was cos the big four was bigger on tumblr and the big six on instagram, but i don’t know haha
I grew up with it being called the Super Six, but that was Jack, Hic, Merida, Punz, Elsa and Anna. Not Mavis and Tadashi, though I did see them occasionally in the Super Six crossover stuff.
@@zoguy6988 oh yeah no it was the big four + anna and elsa but i saw mavis and tadashi involved sometimes, often enough that it was worth pointing out :)
@@handsoaphandsoap nope, just the big six! the big hero six lot were occasionally involved (tadashi more than anyone else) but not often - i assume cos it’s modern/futuristic rather than generic Past (rotg is set in the modern day but jack was a medieval kid so idk)
its so wild how far rapunzel's reach is her fan interpretation is wildly different in the rapunzel's tangled adventure fandom its kinda interesting to think how the two fandoms would mesh lol
...I was actually reminded of rotbtd recently because I found out Varian is mentioned in the wiki. Oh, and the worst thing I found out looking into that is why Cassandra X Rapunzel is listed as "Rapssandra" Why? Because "Cassunzel" is taken by Aunt Cass (bh6) X Rapunzel. helpppp
This was my first fandom and I actually kinda miss it. 😂 It was my first time being exposed to ship wars and what led to my immense hate of Frozen. I could never tell my family it was because Jelsa fans kept shitting on my ship, so I told them it was because I was tired of seeing it everywhere. Glad to know it's still going on somewhere out there.
Hiccup and Rapunzel's houses should defintely be swapped. Hiccup was an inventor and researcher in many ways and loved learning more about things (Especially dragons). And it's that knowledge that he gained that would often aid him. Fitting for Ravenclaw since they are known to be smart and intelligent. He could be really nice and loyal as well, but many other characters in his films had those traits. Rapunzel was known for being extremely nice and at the start of her movie, she questioned and even panicked about leaving her tower since she trusted and was loyal to Mother Gothel. Those are traits that perfectly describe a Hufflepuff. Now when it comes to Tangled, I've only seen the first movie, I never saw the series, so I could be wrong about this. But that's how it should be in my opinion.
I love the idea of both of them being in Ravenclaw though because they both seek new knowledge. However I could totally see Rapunzel being Hufflepuff because of her kindness and ability to make friendships with nearly everyone.
@@martin.allaman Did she…create anything? Like, she found creative uses for her hair, sure, but other than that her greatest strengths in her movie are her strength of character and her endearing outlook.
I always really appreciate how you approach these topics, I had my toes in like ALL of the fandoms you've covered, I'm STILL involved in some of them, and hearing someone talk about it in a way that isn't derogatory and mean-spirited is so nice, You're always very refreshing to watch especially because I love learning about all these weird internet phenomenon, but I hate the way most people talk about them
yes like even if it’s considered cringe now at least they were happy and clearly not hurting anybody there’s not much to gain from bashing it other than maybe a laugh and a few clicks which you can still get by not bashing it
yeah, i love how she actually compliments the hard work and love put into the fanarts and fanfictions and stuff. like sure its a little strange but you can see the care put into it and thats kinda sweet
memory unlocked: i genuinely thought you were going to talk about those like cosplay story videos someone made of the big four, id nearly forgotten about it but now that i remember, i used to LOVE them so much, id follow each update and video it was so god awful but lovely in its own nostalgic kind of way
15:10 people also called him Black Ice, that was Jack's like, 'darkiplier' mode. Though Black Ice existed within and out of the corrupted-by-Pitch AU, he was just kinda like the evil twin or persona. Sometimes the same person, sometimes a different one altogether.
I must say. This fandom is really strange, BUT some of the fanarts of The Big four look just soooo adorable. Someone should create an original work with a similar friend group
I felt personally offended every time you said Astrid wasn't conventionally attractive... but at least it hurt less than hearing “HTTYD is basically a horse movie“ and agreeing with it lol 10/10 video
yeah, i would argue for Eugene as well but they did not have their own stories or at least no one really focused on them since... well, they were not exactly the protagonists. They made kind of justice on Astrid and the others with the series giving information here and there which was great... i was obsessed with it for a quite a while and it honestly hurts hearing the truth no one really dared to mention until now about HTTYD being basically a horse movies
@@deerinheadlights7179 man I remember so much Eugene love back in that day, it's really baffling how he wasn't included in most RotBTD stuff I've seen. I guess it would conflict too much with Jack/Rapunzel?
@@deerinheadlights7179 I remember seeing *some* inclusion for them back then but yeah they were mostly ignored and it was strange. I guess that even though Eugene and Astrid are attractive, they just aren’t “angsty” or “quirky” enough to make the cut (even tho Eugene is a literal orphan but I guess it’s about attitude)
@@ivyej industry and some good writing can make almost anything "angsty" enough to be honest... in fact some AO3 writers are doing great with it. But i think it is better this way, if all the cast were the same depressed 12 years old's crying over their hard lives i do not know what i would do... What i mean is that i could have been worse. Astrid could not really make much of protagonist with the already established story of "teaming dragons" knowing how she saw things at first And Eugene... i have no idea, his story was good enough for protagonist and would do the trick but in this case Rapuznel's view would never be close enough with te view which would do for undestemating her character and story while Flin's is even more positive (understand family friendly) portrait without too many details for his past.
My Hiccstrid-loyal heart cannot bear seeing these edits of Hiccup or Astrid being paired with someone else... even now I still covered my eyes when they popped up in the video XD
"The ship name was Hicunzel" Holy Christ, that is the funniest thing I've heard in the last 24 hours, and I went to a comedy show last night. And the show was actually really good, so the fact that hearing this name alone made me almost pass out laughing really means people should have realized how bad that name was.
@@babynyancat2002 Speaking of which I've heard that in the books or prequel comics Pitch actually flirts with Tooth. Imagine if that happened in the movie.
I shipped Jelsa SO HARD, I made an Ever After High oc of their daughter. Also, it always bothered me how Hiccup, Anna, and Rapunzel, were just being shipped with eachother as if Astrid, Kristoff, and Eugene weren't a thing at all. Like, to me, It didn't make sense.
Oh my god you made an ever after high oc of there daughter? I would love to hear about her I've never though of putting there kids in ever after high that's so cool!
Damn I could NEVER imagine Rapunzel with anyone but Flynn Rider, like come on they're probably one of the best Disney ships ever with actual plot rather than prince charming and damsel in distress
shipping rapunzel with someone else doesn’t diminish the impact of her story tho? plus, due to the nature of her character and the other related three, fan content rarely took away her agency.
@@duckydae op's point is that Eugene blows every other ship out of the water and it's actually canon, and I gotta say I have to agree. Flynn Rider is top tier husbando material, can't get any better than him 😔👌
Before any of these movies came out I remember being a 13 year old on deviantart where my absolute OTP was a crossover. Willet, which was Wilbur Robinson from Meet The Robinsons, and Violet Parr from The Incredibles. The fandom never blew up so I basically gobbled up all the fanfiction and art I could get my hands on. Some similarly very impressive edits were also created. I remember my favourite fic from the time was about Violet being cryogenically frozen during a solo fight with a villain. Decades later she's discovered and revived and has to resume her highschool life (in class with Wilbur Robinson) whilst dealing with the angst of her parents being old retirees and her brothers being middle aged with families.
As someone who rediscovered How To Train Your Dragon during the pandemic (seriously, I'm obsessed with this franchise now) and then fell into this crossover fandom as well, it's so nice to see you talk about it!! Fun fact, I was literally reading a hijack (hiccup + jack) fanfic set in Hogwarts last night. Cringe culture is dead. I love fandom!
Coincidentally, I am wearing my Jelsa t-shirt while watching the video. I didn't even know anything about the fandom, I just saw it and was like "You know what, they ARE cute together, they both need someone who understands them."
As someone that was in the fandom, I can actually tell you why it was called The Big Four. It came from a line in Rise of the Guardians where Pitch says "The Big Four" in reference to Sandman, North, Bunnymund and Toothiana. So it just kind of went from there. But like legit, I never thought I was going to ever see a youtuber talk about this. I was and still am a huge Jerida/Jarida shipper. My wife and I used to make edits of them. 😂 so legit you've just made my day. Thank you. 😁
I'm also a huge Jarida shipper, and it's so sad that they only had a limited number of content (like fanart/fanfic) I even traded Jarida fanfics with my Jelsa shipper friend FireXIce Supremacy
As someone who was a part of this fandom... listen... I didn't think I'd ever hear about this again and it could have stayed that way Edit: the Jelsa bit reawakened a slumbering rage I didn't know was still there. My headcanon was that Elsa was Rapunzel and Jack's daugther/descendant and I never understood why she wasn't integrated into the fandom that way.
My guess is that they wanted all the characters to be roughly the same age so they could have more teen interactions? Having two of the big 4 as parents would change the dynamic dramatically. Although baby Elsa fan art would've been very adorable.
Well, it actually sort of was? Sometimes stories would cast Elsa and Anna as Jack and Rapunzel's daughters, but usually they would just make Elsa and Anna Rapunzel's cousins.
i think its because rapunzel made a cameo appearance in the frozen movie and it looked like they were around the same age ( though Rapunzel had her short hair so maybe slightly a bit older )
@@vynti7080 that was part of it, but I'd agree with that if the whole fandom hadn't essentially thrown out all the canon besides the character designs and personalities
Same, i disliked (respectfully hated) Jelsa mostly because of the toxic shippers and that almost everything was about them… I shipped Jarida (lmao it was such a small unpopular ship that I had to contribute content for it)
I remember being yelled at for asking a question about Jelsa because I should have known it was a bad ship based on the age gap. I knew Elsa was 21 but Jack's age??? Depending on the source material, he was between 14-18. Jack was voiced by Chris Pine, he sounded like an adult. Fandoms are brutal and scary, my dude
Jack is actually immortal so he could be 1000+ years of age. In frozen 2, elsa could turn immortal since she is now an spirit so she could turn into 1000+ soon.
@@lisahoughton3262 in that case I'd argue that if it'd be creepy to ship him with anyone, probably Merida (the youngest), first movie Hiccup and maybe Rapunzel (just bc she's so innocent and sheltered) would be the ones that it would be creepy with. So basically Elsa would be the safest bet with the immortality rules!
oh man this was also HAPPENING on Pinterest too, where there were whole communities sharing their edits / taking requests/ roleplaying etc and I was INTO IT. simpler times tbh
They also fit perfetcly as an RPG group, Jack would be a mage, Rapunzel's the healer, Merida would like a rogue or a warrior and Hiccup would be the mechanical expert
I feel like if I had tumblr during this time period, and I wasn't afraid of being mocked for liking "childish" media, I'd have had an absolute blast with this fandom. Their different personalities for sure were the main attraction.
Nothing stops you for giving it a try now. The big four was my first fandom and tbh no matter how many new fandoms i find myself in i always go back. There are tons of new art , fmv, fanfics out there that are far from cringe. Ig many fans as grew older didn't want the fandom to die
I was too young to be on Tumblr back then, but if I was I would've definitely been part of it. I still found some of these ships on youtube and thought they were really cute. Anyone remember Golden Blonde and Jet Black, the MavisxRapunzel edit?
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"how to train your dragon was basically a horse girl movie"
i can't even begin to explain how much this sentence blew my mind
right??
Just like how Bumblebee was one
Like, just turn the dragons into horses, and there you go lol
@@TupocalypseShakur oh my god
@@TupocalypseShakur oh my GOD
"Yes, Hiccunzel was the actual ship name."
An absolute disgrace of a missed opportunity not to go with Rap-Up.
Ha 😊
I seriously thought this was a fever dream i had at the ripe old age of 13 years old. You are bringing out so many cursed, repressed memories.
I KNOW RIGHT
omg i’m so proud of izzy their channel is now big enough to have bots congrats bestie
@@sinclair_likes_purple as a kiwi I’m like “that’s our girl!!!!”
@@BettiePagan yesss!!
colective fever dream
the most insane thing to me about shipping rapunzel with every single attractive contemporary animated character is that she and eugene have easily the sweetest and healthiest romantic relationship in any animated franchise?? for being such a genuinely supportive and selfless love interest eugene gets cast aside and forgotten so much 😭
Noooo but speaking as someone who shipped Rapunzel with like basically anybody I could think of while simultaneously being a huge New Dream shipper I always didn't put Eugene in my aus or even killed him off dramatically because I was like "If Eugene is around there's no way Rapunzel would fall for someone else" 😭
And also Astrid with hiccup these mfs shipped him with anyone but his actual girlfriend 💀
Yes they don't pair them up with their actual partners it's delusional
HONESTLY (I say, shipping her w Cass from the TTS)
(Voiced by Zachary Levi, a super sweet dude (at least when I watched him in chuck fml I hope he hasn’t done anything problematic fmll))
A moment of silence for all of those fools who got a mustache tattooed on the side of their finger because of the trend.
oh god
@@dixiewhite2698 Can you imagine anything more embarrassing than having to go to your parents and ask for money to get a tattoo lasered off because literally no one will take you seriously with a handlebar mustache on your finger?
Why would you do that 💀
@Cekia Selmi ♋️ I don't think you're supposed to message all the random bot messages you can say in one comment.
Worst part is, when you tatoo your finger or hand, the tatoo will inevitably "wear off" with time. Won't disappear, but will look blurry and bad.
Jack Frost was EVERYWHERE back then. I was shocked when I found out it flopped. It felt like an online phenomenon like Frozen.
While I’m not a fan of Teletubbies, the show was HUGE at the end of the past millennium.
Rise of the Guardians was one of one of those movies that “flopped“ in theaters, but was a huge success with audiences and wins the hearts of everyone I’ve ever seen who has watched it for the first time.
There are still a lot of Jack frost cosplayers
I remember being 8 and seeing a bunch of videos of jelsa and fire Elsa. At the time I didn't know what tumblr was, or shipping, or fanfics, or anything really. But I really liked jelsa with all my heart.
@@milo_thatch_incarnate This.
"how to train your dragon is basically a horse girl movie" hit me like a ton of bricks
shit, I just realized how true that is
still an amazing movie series, though. i will stand by it until the day i die
i've never been so offended by something i 100% agree with
that means i was a dragon girl….
i went from horses to dragons and im realizing this movie had a lot to do with it lmao
Oh I hated how to Train your Dragon as a little kid 😂
This fandom has started to corrupt me because I genuinely started getting mad that hiccup was headcannoned as a hufflepuff and Rapunzel a ravenclaw
Rapunnzel being a ravenclaw is because she'd gets written as luna lovegood, plus her creativity rather than smarts. her drive to have knowledge of the lanterns and where they come from is the driving force of her movie. she also works well in hufflepuff as she is extremely loyal and kind, hiccup.. hiccup could be all four houses, he is the one guy you could debate for hours on each. yes, he is the smartest
but so is Hermione and she's Gryffindor.
@@editaudioaestheticI agree honestly when it comes to hiccup I’m sure it would be something akin to Harry Potter where he kinda adds his input on which one he prefers. However I do think that Ravenclaw fits him best. I mean just look at the things he’s made, 2 flying suits, multiple fire blades, a new leg, a huge map, a new tail wing for toothless, and learned how to fight/train dragons just by watching toothless. If he doesn’t belong to raven claw the most I don’t know what to tell ya.
@@editaudioaesthetic Rapunzel also seems to enjoy books, though that might be because she only had access to THREE her whole life, and seeing and looking at others was probably exciting. But still. Yeah hiccup being hufflepuff makes no sense, and honestly having multiple characters in one house makes sense for them being friends, right??
"HTTYD was basically a horse girl movie"
I hate that you're right
Such a brave and controversial statement.
I loved both dragons and horses growing up, maybe that explains why I love the HTTYD movies so much
“Dante’s Divine Comedy was a self-insert fanfic” haha yeah
Oh heck, didn't expect THE Wendigoon to be here :00
Yeah haha it's not like someone made an hour long video about it!!
WENDIGOON!? 👁👄👁
you're the first person I thought of when I heard it. I love your videos.
That's cool, I was wondering how I got recommended your videos. Good stuff!
FINALLY someone talks about them. This fandom was a mess but I love it
THIS. i was obsessed for some odd reason
Damn I feel like like I’m missing out, I’ve never heard of this fandom.
@@ratstanduser its still going its ridiculous. what was realy fun to see go down was the jack/rapunzel and jack/elsa shipping war.god tumblr wars are fun
@@jolenekeimpema6141 oh my god yeah I remember that, what a time
I hate it so much😂 cause I really love the movies individually but I despise those crossover. But tbh people shipping Elsa with Jack are the worst oMg THey hAve iCe pOweRs tHey NEED tO bE a cOupLe... Uh-huh and you don't see the lesbian energy Elsa vibrates or are you just blind?
It's funny, when this fandom was big, I was phasing out of fandom obsessions and my younger cousin was phasing into this one, so one day I found her writing a JackxElsa fic on her phone and told her "I used to do that in my old fandoms too!" So she asked me to read her fic and proofread it for her, it was really sweet ❤
Wait no bc this is wholesome in every way. You opting not to judge or call your cousin cringe or anything like that and allowing her to have that phase is absolutely amazing! Imo having that phase is just fun, and you get to enjoy yourself!
So sweet
This made my body scrunch up with happiness, I could never! ❤️
That’s so sweet😭
I think this and Superwholock are definitive proof that sometimes fandoms are more about the aesthetics of a work than the piece of media itself.
oh and don't forget the onceler
@@janetestherina7169 let's forget the onceler.
@@irregularstuff5290 NEVER FORGET THE ONCELER
@@janetestherina7169 I think it's for the best if we forget the Onceler.
@@durnsidh6483 I would love to forget about the Onceler...
FINALLY someone can explain those weird edited gifsets that were always on my dash in 2014
I still see em sometimes
that and all those:
"merida can be seen entering the castle with elsa and anna at *insert time stamp from that one scene in frozen*", on top of really blurry gif of a little blob of red moving around in a crowd of.... mostly just hair lmao
not sure i had tumblr yet but i remember those posts leaking over into facebook. i never understood what the obsession was, especially since i was relatively new to the internet to start with. for like a year i just assumed there was actually a movie coming out that combined the 2 series and everyone was looking for easter eggs
I had never even heard of this fandom EVEN ONCE and I was on tumblr constantly during this time. I saw your comment and it all came back to me like a smack in the face
@@ぐんでrぃて shut up
I swear Izzy is the person who literally speaks out what I saw in the internet and wondered why it exists. She's doing our confuzzled thoughts a favor.
It's like a weird form of group therapy but for very niche and specific internet phenomena
25:22 "Technically both had a large group of friends and sidekicks but because they weren't conventionally attractive they were seen as mostly irrelevant."
If Astrid isn't conventionally attractive then my interests as a teen must have been unconventional lol.
personally i think she was excluded because they already had a blonde girl main character And a female character who was physically skilled. also maybe astrid was a bit too boyish for tumblr hipster edits...?
@@SkiddlyBink Yeah that sounds like a reasonable explanation. Personally, I have historically not been able to tell that someone is considered a tomboy until someone else points it out lol. When I was younger I think all that word meant to me was "hot" lmao
also how is the tooth fairy not conventionally attractive oh my goodness gracious
@@games_on_phone89 gonna be honest it's probably because she didn't have long flowing hair
@@games_on_phone89 Bro ikr? I wasn't into Astrid personally, ever since I was a teen I was never into rude girls, but the Toothfairy had me completely
i was so obsessed with this. fans were so convinced that they were really gonna make a movie with the big four and when elsa came into once upon a time, everyone thought they’d bring in jack to be with her. a very strange fandom but the edits are genuinely really great
What did not help with that was the director/writer of Rise of the Guardians then endorsed Jelsa and said he wanted it to happen (then again, he’s like obsessed with shipping Jack Frost with almost female character he can find)
@@bluessbelles
Oooooh.. that’s fun..?
I wanted to make a movie. So many trailers. So many attempts at making a movie. Like actual voice auditions and everything. Such good memories.
@@exammole4545 I have so much unfortunate info about the director’s shipping exploits. He once tried to say that a REAL LIFE woman was so in love with Jack Frost, she threatened to K word herself if he didn’t return her feelings.
are you high? the edits were cringey garbage
21:21 how could you not mention the popular 2010s animated TV show trifecta Gravity Falls, Steven Universe and Over the Garden Wall, which come together to form the most glorious multifandom name I've ever heard:
Steven Falls Over
@@hiroshotreplica do you mean the sans theory 😭
@@sweetbubblegum55 me when steven after not surviving
this surprisingly beats bee shrek test in the house
This joke has the best punchline I've ever seen.
Thank you for this knowledge. 💀👍
I vividly remember absolutely loathing Jelsa for no more than one specific reason
It's just 2 ice power people so people went "ohoho ice cubes, let's ship" and I did not stand for that lol
i used to like it because of the ice powers really (and bc i was 13 and had no clue and just shipped characters all over) but now that i think about it its so dumb.........like they literally have nothing in common except the ice powers and having sisters
Me too! I thought jelsa were more like siblings lol. Jackunzel felt more fitting cuz opposites attract
I was the same too! And I specifically hated the “Enemies to lovers” trope, but only if it was with two characters from other’s works, if it was between someone’s custom characters them it is okay
Me too lol
To me it just felt too forced
personally the reason I didn't like it was because Elsa was like 25 and even though Jack was 300+ years old, he still looks and acts like a 14 year old and that was enough for me to be against it, but it could have been worse.... don't worry, I didn't go and scream at Jelsa shippers, (that would be just cringe and rude.)
i can't believe you didn't address marvis x rapunzel.... truly an iconic niche of that fandom and frankly an oversight to have missed.
Jet black x golden blonde was literally my gay awakening ifyky
Yes, I am a “lesbo”.....
@@vijonesPLSSSS I thought something was wrong with me rewatching that edit like 8 times
I think I saw this one video of that. In that video Rapunzel was Sandman's daughter and Mavis was Pitches daughter.
her name is MAVIS
Marvel: "Avengers: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover of all time."
early 2010s internet: "Hold my unicorn Frappuccino."
Wasn't the Unicorn Frappuccino a late 2010s thing?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 before starbucks started promoting official limited time instabait drinks, "secret menu" starbucks orders were very popular in the early/mid 2010s. I definitely remember secret menu unicorn and mermaid frappes that just sounded like a batistas nightmare, as you had to rattle off a long and specific order since you couldnt order them by name as these secret menu items didn't actually exist (yet).
@@abathtub1411 oh 👌
LMAO
The “creepy” side of this AU directly predicting the dark version of rapunzel in TTS like 6 years early is so funny to me 😭
It’s like the equivalent of “you can copy my homework, but don’t make it obvious.” 💀
I’m seeing so many foreign languages in this comment section 🤣! AU, TTS - whaaaaat?!
@@theskyischill tangled the series
ik they were in that writers room like "they won't notice right"
@@theskyischill AU stands for alternate universe
Honestly, as someone who grew up on YT from 2008-2012, this fandom basically just felt like an evolution of ‘animash’ crossover AMVs to me. I never rly understood the appeal of crossover edits, which largely focused on editing Disney/popular animated movies’ characters together for a new narrative, but the existence of this fandom did not surprise me with that background lmao. Only surprising thing was how popular they were all collectively together on tumblr but tbh that just tended to be how 2012s tumblr rolled.
Fuck, I miss those days. So many old AMV/Animashes have been removed over the years. Literally a bucket load of nostalgia that I would love to have back 😭
This is an absolute accurate essay on that period on RUclips 👌👀
The way I was able to relate and completely understand every word of your post terrifies me lmfao, I love this and completely agree dude
Ah yes, the godforsaken animash fandom
lmao i didn't even know this was a big fandom but animashes were awesome and blew my mind as a kid haha
The fact that dark Rapunzel now canonically exists in that universe and pretty much looks exactly how the fandom headcanoned her with the pitch black eyes and black hair will never not be funny to me.
LOL THE SHOW HAS THAT RAPUNZEL-- THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
This fandom is really a weird but super calm blessing. What’s even better is that it still kind of exists. Glad there’s videos like this to remind us.
Yeah, it sounds really wholesome
This fandom is _incredibly_ tame compared to some other shit I’ve found on the internet lmao
Not Calling Jack Frost something like "Black Ice" for the Dark AU is a sin of its own
i hate to be the one who has this knowledge, but “black ice” in relation to jack frost was already in use as the ship name for jack & pitch
@@whimsical_bitches_club oh
@@whimsical_bitches_club one question....why?
the president julius i wish i had an answer for you lmao
@@thepresidentjulius3820 I wanna say I know why , but I got nothing. I was a black ice
Shipper . I guess I was a super huge angsty teen .
For some reason I hated this fandom as a young teen because I viewed them as the 'cool hipster fandom' that were encroaching on the 'real' nerdy fangirls who liked wtnv, homestuck and like marvel lol. As if we weren't all spending all day being cringe on the Internet instead of like going outside lol.
> Marvel
LOL
I WAS TRYING TO PUT THIS FEELING INTO WORDS, yes I felt the same way back then LOL
That's hillarious to know retrospectively! I always knew there was a divide, but never knew why. Yall were salty lol
@@nope6021 definitely lol, part of that individuality complex teens tend to go through I think lol
@@sunstrike2738 so glad someone else had the same experience lol
It’s kinda funny knowing that “Rise of the Brave Tangled Frozen Dragons” essentially became the go-to fandom place to create/view animated crossovers. As someone who was completely absorbed into this fandom during my middle school/high school days, it’s kinda neat to see this fandom being discusses without completely disregarding it just a “sign of the times”. I’m pretty sure this fandom is what helped me get into writing and other creative endeavors, so I have to give it thanks for that.
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Man, this fandom really embodies everything about early 2010's fandom culture.
I was never a part of it but it always seemed so... interesting? I guess?? This one and the "Disney" crossover one.
Now i really want to look up those crossovers again
Same. Wasn’t a part of it but it was sooo interesting to observe from the sidelines.
I miss the early 2010s
I've seen Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons every now and then on Pinterest, DeviantArt, and tumblr. Each time I saw it, my Big Sister™ instincts would activate and I'd actively encourage the creativity. It's just so cute and heartwarming to see kids doing what they love, no matter how crappy the editing is. There's just something about it that makes me see the artist in them, and I love it.
I know right? Honestly, compared to other fandoms, this super crossover just looks fun and run entirely on headcannon.
I have known the Elsa and Jack Frost pairing for a while. But I didn't know people has been shipping this movie character I don't even remember with all kinds of teen girl protagonists.
I felt so much pain watching this. This transported me straight back to my rise of the brave tangled dragons phase. I remember being so heartbroken and upset when people shoved aside Jackunzel for Jelsa. I was so atrociously anti-Jelsa. I was such a salty child. Was anyone else on the Instagram role play side of this fandom?
Yoooo, i disliked Jelsa as well (mainly because of how popular it was that almost everything was centered around them and how there were toxic shippers) but I never really trashed the ship or the shippers (respectfully hate maybe?)
I shipped Jarida (there is so little content for this ship, its so sad) and Mericcup (with Jackunzel)
I shipped hiccup and Jack and hicerda instead
LMAO SAME BUT MY MINE SHIP WAS HICCELSA BECAUSE I HAD A CRUSH ON HICCUP AND I WAS OBSESSED WITH ELSA LMAO-
I also hated Jelsa so much, just because I didn't like Elsa as a character, didn't find her appealing or fun, I still think to this day that she is a quite flat character, Anna has much more personality on Frozen 1 and I didn't get the popularity of Elsa. Also, shipping just because they shared the same powers... Boring. Jack was such a fun character, in my head he needed something more fun, or crazy than Elsa. I loved Jarida, and Hijack, and also Jackunzel, they made more sense to me idk.
I never knew about all this big fandom until today. I just remembered seeing fanarts of Jelsa and ignoring it, cuz I wasn't really a big shipper in those days, until I saw Hiccup and Jack Frost content. I wasn't a fan of it, but I kinda liked it.
In fact, gay shipps in general were the first thing for me to be a little close to what now we know as "representation". And thanks to my happiness of seeing queer characters existing I became a shipper.
Since every season has an associated element, it was typically:
Jack - Winter - Water (cuz, yknow)
Merida - Summer - Fire (obvious)
Hiccup - Autumn - Wind (flying)
Rapunzel - Spring - Earth (magic flower)
this slingshotted my brain back to 2014 lmfao
The big 4 is one of the least offensive fandoms I've ever seen, personally. Fans were always creative and nice, and honestly they picked the characters that I was drawn to as a neurodivergent person, so I might have joined the fandom had I discovered it at its start :)
I think that’s probably because it mostly consists (and has always consisted) of kids, younger teens, and neurodivergent people like us. It’s pretty damn cool how positive ROTBTD is and more or less always has been.
Same oh my God
I agree, although diversity wasn't there I still would've felt included in a way
I didn't mean to put the thumbs down at first. I was trying to click the thumbs up. 😭
I would really like to join this fandom.
I would always see fanart of Jack Frost, Merida, Hiccup, and Rapunzel or Elsa as Hogwarts students. It was so weird😂
I remember reading fanfics on that au
There's one a game too 😭
What fandom isn’t weird?
Back in the day, I had a classmate and she was so into this fandom that she had a lot of notebooks with thousands of fanfiction about this, and she used to make me read them and give her my feedback about her stories, I obviously never made fun of her I was very respectful with her unusual writing 😂. Hope she's doing better now.
Maybe she's gotten some stuff published? You should check.
Doing better? Sounds like she was living it up then 🤣
I cackled at "Hope she is doing better now". 😂😂
As an avid fanfic reader for well over a decade I definitely understand how especially younger readers and writers can be a bit unhinged, not in a bad way but still very much weird.
Omg this just reminded me that I used to inflict the same torture on my friends, just with my own original stories. Idk if that makes it better or worse lol.
@PestoMayo I was the other and sorta still am? But in a sorta ironic way where I'm aware it's pretty cringey but it's all for fun.
Everything changed when the Frozen attacked... Man, the whole thing sounds like a novel for teenagers and I kinda love it!
Oh my lords, the drawing of Hiccup at 13:52 IS MINE. Of ALL places to see a blast of the past is seeing your own art YEARS later online (I am SO curious, where did that one drawing end up without my old account name? I still have the psd of it....). A NOTE on that, I wasn't too keen on Hiccup being Earth at the time as I wanted him to be the wind but for shenanigans and headcanons and such between people I had to go with earth. I NEVER leave comments anywhere, this was enough to pull that curtain. Very fun video, first I watch on your channel and beautiful fashion style!
AYOO YOUR ART IS SICK I LOVE IT!!!
Nice art!
Your art is so cool! If that was years ago I bet your art is even more incredible now!
OMG CONGRAS ON MAKING IT TO A VID
It must be so weird to see your artwork in a video ha ha
11:26 I think there's another group and it's the 4 dads (Santa, Stoic, King Fergus and King Frederick) hanging together. Honestly seeing chad dads hang out together doesn't sound bad at all
I can see Stoic, Fergus and Santa hanging out, but Frederick looks so out of place there, probably because they look like badass dads he is more an adult Disney Prince
I remember writing fanfics about stoic x santa and king frederick for santa love but ended heartbroken 💀 the dark days
Who's King Frederick?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Rapunzel's dad
@@MariaRodriguez-dx6sm oh 👌
I have a lot of respect for weird crossovers because the way people are able to fit together different plots and characters is just so creative and fun? Like, it can be cringe, but I like them on principle. I’m actually pretty involved with the current White Collar/DC fandom, which isn’t huge, but still oddly popular for how random of a crossover it is. It’s mostly based on a few works from a couple years ago that took off, and the discord that was started (I was one of the first ten members of the discord, and while I’m not a big figure in the fandom, I’ve been a passive observer for the last year or so) that helped people interested in the crossover get connected with other fans, which I think is a big part of the rise in recent works. For me, as a depressed 19 year old shut inside the house during a pandemic and unable to see my IRL friends, it was more about the fact that I stumbled into a community than it was about the crossover material itself, if that makes sense. It was really awesome to have a group of people who cared about the same niche fandom as I did, and that sparked my creativity and made me want to write, not because it was my single favorite fandom or whatever (I’d be hard-pressed to pick just one primary fandom, because that’s just not how I make and consume content), but because I knew there was this group of people who would read what I wrote and say nice things about it. This is all to say that I think a lot of it’s about other fans, not just the characters
Are those Dc/White Collar crossover about Tim or Bruce being Neal as an undercover identity? cause if so i may have read it too, through the timkon tag, my otp
Name a fandom that isn’t cringe tbf
I seen some of these niche fandoms evolve into something separate from the source material, such as changing the copyrighted characters into completely different/original characters and story. It's weird, but oddly interesting to see and even nice.
I remember being in the HetaOni fandom (Hetalia x Ao Oni) and the level of production and talent that was put in some of the artwork still amazes me to this day. Those were fun times.
Dear fellow fans, One Piece has had a crazy anime crossover with both Dragon Ball and Toriko.
Alrighty, I have a lot to say:
1.Wasn't expecting you to call Pitch a tumblr sexyman with no hesitation.
2.The one part about the whole dark au, I gotta point out that black haired Merida looks like Bellatrix Lestrange
3.I almost got sucked into this fandom in the past
4. I agree that Rapunzel would be earth and Hiccup air.
5. Hiccup would most likely be in in Griffindor not Hufflepuff. That man is brave.
6.Why is there a fifty shades of grey au!?
7.Can't believe no one thought of the big four being poly.
8.This is just people looking a kids movies and going what if we mess with the multiverse and mix them together, quite literally.
9.I need a fanfiction that has every single one of these characters, I'd read it
10. most of them have some major parent issues, all have varying degrees of trauma
11. Non attractive? Ha, I had a crush on Ruffnut
I apologise for the rant (I can't spell)
OMG, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THEY COULD BE WRITTEN AS POLY
"Loyalty" is typically seen as the "main" Hufflepuff trait, and I'd argue that's a significantly more dominant personality trait for Hiccup.
Personally I see Hiccup as more of a Ravenclaw. They’re inquisitive right? Hiccup loves learning. He finds the dragon and literally studies it because the dragon manual had no info on night furies. He was also shown to be very invested in his map making in the second movie and finding new lands and stuff. So as much as it was a thing back then to categorize characters I’d say both Rapunzel and Hiccup would be in Ravenclaw house. XD sorry for the essay. Also I totally y’all’s points too.
@@themoreyouknow6414 You know if this fandom's peak was right now, the LGBT-ness would've ramped up.
Ruffnut...?
_You, sir, have great taste_
I didn't ever want to go into this fandom, it looked so intense. I saw a book about it on wattpad (a Jelsa book with TONS of engagement, both good and bad) and the pictures on pinterest years back and just watched from the sidelines, in awe. Thank you for this video, you just brought me back some memories!
I was too busy on Percy Jackson Pinterest to dive into this fandom but I was constantly bombarded with the edits scrolling through the geek or humor categories back in 2013-2015
Each fandom has its intense sides tbf
ur pfp is cute
@@atlasintokyo1752 Thank you!
You just got into the intense side of it in its time of great turmoil. If you were introduced to its part where there were just 4 teenage crossover friends mingling and displaying their unique traits then who knows, maybe you'd be dragged in like the rest
I’m surprised she didn’t touch upon “Golden Blonde and Jet Black”...for those of you who don’t know, it was an impressively edited and really cute love story between Rapunzel and Mavis. I stumbled across it when I was younger and it was the first time I’d ever watched a lesbian pairing lmao.
OMG I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT
Is that where the edit of Maevis saying "it's okay, I am a... lesbo" came from?
@@kumatorahaltmanndreemurr Yeah yeah I think so
I SWEAR THAT VIDEO IS THE REASON IM BISEXUAL
@@Pink_pr1ncess SAME. that ship was the foundation of my bi awakening 😭
While I really liked this fandom, my best friend LOVED it. She had a Tumblr ask blog, she actively talked to others in the fandom, and wrote a lot of fics. I actually drew fanart for her via her suggestions. She even wrote out a whole AU mainly focused on Hijack that I drew comic pages for. I still have appreciation for it (it's basically one big polycule, so course I do) and I do know many awesome people who were in the fandom at one point.
We love polycules here. And also this fandom just seems so interesting and also has characters that I love, and they do all seem to go together very well!
your friend has an enormous brain
I really miss the early 2010's. I spent such a large portion of that era online so I witnessed it all, and as cringe-worthy as it was... it was already pretty enjoyable
Honestly same, they were fun
Gonna be honest I kind agree like as cringey as it was I also miss it.
Usually what is cringe is super fun anyway,literally 'Im cringe but I am free!"
As someone who was in this fandom a few years back I have to admit that RotBTD was always something that I truly adored as a kid - magic powers, funny stories, angsty drama, I mean, come on
I'm glad this fandom didn't die cause it's something that's really worth remembering imo
Same
True,, seeing this video was nostalgic for me looking back at my childhood just all out consuming disney crossover stuff. Those were the good ol days :))
Same😭 I loved this fandom
Oh god, this makes me instantly remember how I made an “anti-Jesla hate” FaceBook page at 12 years old because the ship got so popular it was popular to hate it lmaoo. What a time the internet was.
Bruh… 😂
DUDE I REMEMBER THIS WTF
@@sonofaspyder3000 the Jelsa hate was strong in 2013 lmao 😭😩
I think the reason fandoms become a big thing is that fanfiction gives young writers an easy way to write a story with characters that are already fleshed out. It's hard to come up with your own original characters that aren't just direct copies of you with different moods or just walking tropes you see everywhere. Having characters that already have an interesting design, backstory, and personality allows the person to focus more on world building and plot development. I don't fault anyone for making fan fiction, in fact I encourage it. Any excuse to delve into the world of writing is a wonderful thing, and I hope that in the future, when fans grow up and out of their fandom, they can see that they have the power and the tools to make their own story. Sure, it'll take way longer to flesh out everything, but it's so much fun to have a full story that's yours.
There's a Cinderella 3 review that talks about fanfiction! You should watch it!
besides the worldbuilding and narrative side of things, i’d say that writing fanfiction can also be a great exercise in learning how to write different types of characters consistently! writing characters that already have an established personality & background can be a bit harder than people think, as you can’t just change them on a whim or make things up on the fly because you’re not starting from scratch. it’s kind of like the difference between having an assignment prompt vs none; on one hand it can be hard to come up with something on your own, but you’ll have the freedom to do literally anything. on the other hand, a prompt gives you a more immediate springboard for a story, but then you’re also given a certain limit to keep things in line with the specific prompt/concept.
yuh
Writer here! I also started with fanfiction and I agree. If I wouldn't have started with that, I would not be where I am now.
I know you had good intentions with this comment but the way you imply fanfiction is a "phase" for young writers really dismiss that fanfiction is a valid form of writing itself, not a learning phase, not something you are supposed to use as training wheels until you "grow out of fandom".
I don't write fanfiction to learn how to write, I do it because it brings me joy and I want to share it with other fans. I doubt writing originals will ever bring the same feeling.
One of my favorite things about the fandom was when they purposefully made more and more horrible names for it by adding literally whatever movie had just come out. The scroll down on the wiki just cracked me up!!
Wait, so was it an inside joke to just make the names as long winded as possible?
@@darienb1127 Yup! When a new animated movie came out, people would just add it to the acronym and add the characters to the fanworks. It got ridiculous real fast, but it was all in good fun.
Unironically comedy gold
I joined the fandom cause I was just like "oh there's a crossover movie?" and then I found out it was just a thing on the internet and I got way too involved, I read fanfiction, I made art (the art consisted of bases and stick figures with hair but art nonetheless) and it was something I entirely forgot about
Omg Yess same, I wonder if this exist anymore
"oh there's a crossover movie?"
I'd probably click if I saw that too. 😁
As a kid I thought SuperWhoLock was an actual show and I was so confused when I couldn't find anywhere to stream it
Oh my god nothing like realizing you’re part of fandom history! lmao
I founded the original the-big-four group on dA with a friend of mine before passing it on to other people after leaving the fandom. It was a wacky crossover but we all had a lot of fun. Thanks for the walk down memory lane!
That's so cool!! Impacted the internet forever bahaha
thank you for your contribution to my childhood LOL
you were apart of this cringey shit?... may god have mercy on you
@@AbrasiousProductions They were young, let kids enjoy things
@@twilighthairball ill let kids enjoy good things instead of this mindless trash
okay my two cents on this fandom. i was a HUGE part of it on wattpad, and my acc is still up. i had an ask the RotBTD, i had opinions on whether elsa should be included, and ofc, i partook in shipping drama. i was a HUGE jerida and hiccunzel fan, but i was also a fan of crazy niche stuff like elsa/flynn rider. i was big enough to have thousands of readers at my height, until i dipped forever and made a new, much more modest acc. this was such a big part of my childhood!
thank u for sharing your truth
u had the best taste but i'm also just saying that bc those were my exact ships in the fandom (even elsa/flynn lmao)
@@brookefreeman8280 maybe in another life .. we could have been lovers
something i will say about crossovers, as a neurodivergent person, is that crossovers appeal heavily to neurodivergent people because sometimes? the mere thought of two or more of your hyperfixations/special interests being in just the same general area just gives you an unfathomable amount of serotonin, hence why a bit more weirder things like pooh's adventures are such a thing. plus, i remember being in middle school and being a little too obsessed with (cough) hetastuck...
IKR
When I was younger, I'd imagine a certain crossover between kids novels (diary of a wimpy kid, big Nate, captain underpants jermino Stilton get the point already) and one particular thing I can say is for the "who is the best protagonist of all these books" it was pretty obvious Greg heffley was the lowest tier
Oh my god I think my adhd made so many crossovers bc half the time I was in super big and tiny fandoms
why did you make me learn about that
HETASTUCK?? as in, hetalia and homestuck??? the things you must have seen....
When I was younger I loved the “Secret Trio”, which was a crossover between Danny Phantom, Jake Long, and Randy Cunningham. All of them had secret alter egos and dark spiky hair, so I guess that was why they were put together 😂
Didn't Disney drop Randy Cunningham after three years and 2 seasons? I never got the impression that they really liked the show.
@@davidhong1934 the show wasn’t popular. I’d say it’s underrated, but that’s just my personal opinion. The jokes were bad and the characters were meh, but for some reason it was my favorite out of the three anyways 😂. Unfortunately it was cancelled on a cliffhanger and the rest was history.
@@zodiacuniverse4663 same
@@davidhong1934 To be fair all three were fairly short running shows Jake Long only lasting 2 seasons and Danny Phantom lasting 3 Jake Long in particular did seemingly badly since they changed the art style to be drastically simplified in the second season and from what I heard Danny Phantom was supposed to have 4 seasons but was wrapped up in 3 cause the writing was on the wall for cancelation.
That and also EctoHam
God, can’t wait to see a video on the fandom that always perplexed me while I was on the cartoon/video game side of Tumblr in the 2010s. Truly was a time to be alive
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EXACTLY same
Exactly
right ??? when it started to gain traction i was already a bit too old to get into it, but i wasnt old enough to not know about it or avoid it lol. a bunch of people i followed on tumblr were really into it and i remember very distinctly the very weird experience of like. seeing my neighbors' backyard being taken over by the big 4 while at my own it was just business as usual lmao
God can you imagine a video on the Phineas and Ferb Tumblr/Deviantart fandom that existed at the time. Things were wild in there.
I appreciate all the heart and soul that went into this entire fandom. It's the same blissful sincerity as those terrible AO3/Wattpad stories written by teens you can find
The first time I was introduced to this fandom was from a video where someone shipped Mavis and Rapunzel together, and they adopted Vanellope from Wreck-It Ralph. 😂
For some reason, they made Pitch Black Mavis' father and the Sandman as Rapunzel's. It was an odd one for sure. I think you can still find the video. I think it was called "Golden Blond and Jet Black"
WAIT OMG I REMEMBER THIS
i remember staying up late watching youtube on my iphone 3 when i wasn’t supposed to and i found that one 😭😭
That video was how I learned what gay people were
Omg I remember that video damn you just unlocked a memory for me.
Oh my god, I watched it!
I WATCHED THAT TOO
I think when discussing why these specific characters got popular it's important to remember that most of the people participating in this fandom were kids and teens, they wanted stories about teenagers who they could relate to and who had more complex narratives and interactions and stories, and disney and dreamworks movies are great at providing a spark for that, but incapable of carrying it very far due to the time constraints of a feature film, they can only really focus on one character's story, everyone else is supporting cast. I think attributing the shared attractiveness of the big 4 to the vanity of the fans is unrealistic, it was the studios making a conscious choice to make their main and therefore most developed and interesting characters conventionally attractive, in the hopes of selling more tickets and merchandise. The main thing the big four plus the frozen girls have in common is that they're protagonists, Elsa and Anna aren't quite as developed because they shared the protagonist position in their movie, but they had an established and developed and complicated relationship with each other and that was fuel enough for the teenage imagination to run with. Flynn Rider is also conventionally attractive but he's too grown up, his problems are more relatable to young adults than young teens so he got forgotten even though he was equally a protagonist of Tangled, and Merida is actually not particularly conventionally attractive because her entire story was focused around being a child, so her design was intended to look awkward and childish and immature rather than beautiful, a key example of this being her eyelashes and how subdued they are compared to the dark, feminine lashes of the other girls. There are other features I could point out but this is already an essay, the point is what made her compelling was not her looks but rather her character and story and how relatable it was to the teenagers making up the fandom.
Plus, the attractiveness theory requires thinking that the Onceler guy is better looking than the girl from How To Train Your Dragon, so it clearly misses something.
Facts tho
@@kaliravel9832 yee if it was just atractivness i don't get how Astrid weren't a bigger part of the fandom
As someone who was in the editing scene around that time, one of the big reason why those crossovers were so popular was thanks to the green screen packs you could find on youtube. Editors shared green screen of those characters and since editing was becoming more and more popular, greenscreens were an easy way for kids to make edits they were proud of.
I was totally astounded the first time I saw one of the edits. I think it was this really edgy one with ‘Control’ by Halsey and the creator actually made doubles of the characters because this AU contained some sort of “alter ego” for each character- where they basically had the opposite colour palette and a bunch of tattoos. It was so well made in the eyes of preteen me that I genuinely thought it was an actual dreamworks production, I bet the video is still up too.
I agree that Hiccup should be wind and Rapunzel earth. That goes well with their seasons as well.
I disagree with the Merida is Fall and Hiccup is Summer. Personality wise they are the other way around. Making Merida fall because she has red hair is the only reason I can see for it and that is a poor reason.
Also why is Rapunzel, who while smart was more about showing care and loyalty to others, in Ravenclaw while Hiccup, who did show care but who had a substantial amount of his character arc focused on showing that brains beat brawn, in Hufflepuff?
I am all for these tropes but…. Do they even trope?
Ikr
I KNOW RIGHT
You are right and trust me there were many debates on this back in 2014
I think Rapunzel fits wind more seeing how free-spirited and high energy she is. Also the fact that her breaking free from her chains is a theme that I personally see working more with wind than earth.
Reminds me of whenever I see Narnia edits putting the Pevensies into HP houses.
omg I remember being so engrossed in this fandom. I made “the big four” bracelets and gave them to my friends and I shipped Jack and Repunzel so hard that when Elsa came into the picture I literally left the fandom. It’s so wild looking back at my younger preteen self and reflecting on the emotions I felt during that time. It was a great community when I was in it, and I honestly don’t regret being so involved
i really love that when you talk about old fandoms and internet culture, you’re nonjudgmental and don’t enforce the whole “cringe culture” idea :)
Weird how Flynn wasn't included. He seemed very much like Tumblr girl bait.
@@abbakarenina ig, teen girls are more into the effeminate male chars
@@abbakarenina Pretty sure he was around 23 in the tangled movie. Rapunzel's tangled adventure takes place over 3 years or so and he has a birthday episode where he was 26(I think). So i'd say between the movie and series hes around the ages 23-26.
My guess is that Flynn just didn't have that much going for him in terms of being memorable. Him being in his 20s instead of a teenager isn't why he wasn't popular, cause tumblr girls thirsted over superwholock who had all of its protagonists being adults. I think not only did his facial hair make him seem older, he just... kinda lacked charisma and charm. He had some in the movie but... he didn't end up being much more than a generic handsome thief with a heart of gold. Unlike Hiccup who had a memorable voice and quotable lines, he overflowed with charisma, or Jack Frost who had a developed and compelling backstory that appealed to edgy teens. Flynn Rider just... didn't have that. Rapunzel had a compelling backstory. His character was just... overally pretty generic. Generic orphan who generically resorted to stealing to survive. Generic snappy and sarcastic personality, and generic "he was always a good guy deep down".
plus there was the fact that he was constantly trying too hard as part of his swashbuckling persona and would deliberately go out of his way to show off and flirt. Kinda hard to thirst for a character like this, unlike Jack Frost or Hiccup who were sort of "hot without trying"
he was included in all the rapunzel aesthetic girl edits as the guy character (all the hipster/fangirl/emo/whatever girl but with a boy)
17:20 That was honestly one of the biggest problems when trying to find anything Hiccup/Jack related online. If you looked up Hijack, you'd get some action movie and a bunch of crime stuff. Frostcup has always been the superior name, but only like 1/4 of the Fandom used it! 😔
Wouldn't it be way easier to go: Hiccup/Jack Frost or Hiccup x Jack Frost? Is this just being cute about it.
@@greekifreekifan870 ship names are just things people use so they don't say a whole mouthful
@@draculaura_keyblade Also Hijack is pretty clever. I love it when ship names are little word plays
i kind of like hijack just because it's funny lmao
I was friends with the Big Four kids, but I wasn't satisfied with any of the characters, so while my friends were roleplaying Elsa and Jack Frost and Merida, I was roleplaying ... Ruber from Quest for Camelot, right alongside them. Good times. Ruber became something of a weird uncle to the gang.
Yo Quest for Camelot was and still is a banger movie and Im surprised the twins weren't somehow shoved into this mess due to being, yk, a two headed dragon. I appreciate the Ruber love he was an amazing villain
Read your comment and was like "hold on who the fuck is Ruber", then had the childhood nostalgia equivalent of a Jimmy Neutron brain blast. Quest for Camelot was dope, thanks for reminding me of its existence, LOL
Also not gonna lie I'd /love/ to hear more about Weird Uncle Ruber's dynamics with the big four, if you have any extra stories you'd be willing to share on here?
@@mistahchad220 Too many to mention tbh, he was just so wildly iconic. I do remember Merida attempting to teach his illiterate ass to read.
@@genevrablack819please give more stories
Oh my gosh! I’m dying 💀
Honestly "Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons" is a cool and creative title the meshes each movie's titles together
There are cool crack buddy, spouse and partner pairings for many recent adaptations of Edgar Rice Burroughs’ works.
A really fun example is a crack buddy pairing between the Dynamite Comics versions of both Tarzan and John Carter.
@@SlapstickGenius23 yeah but idk why the "tangled dragons" part makes me really uncomfortable
personally my favorite has yo be given to “Rise of the big brave tangled frozen moana dragons”
I love how the majority of comments here are long, detailed accounts of people’s experience with this fandom and how it shaped them as a person in some sort of way. It’s incredibly nice to see a video that was able to touch something really special in a lot of people, and also see that reflected in the comments section with little to no scorn from “outsiders”
Agreed! Also I don't see how this fandom would ever deserve scorn, except of course from pretentious "grown ups". It was extremely fun and creative. Also, a gang of characters with potentially interesting dynamics is always great. I have extreme respect for anyone who put their heart and soul into the art and stories, it's great to see people thrive creatively or get a first few tastes of being creative.
I remember seeing this short movie-like edit where Mavis and Rapunzel fall in love in a Romeo and Juliet based storyline. It was…bizarre
I THINK I’VE SEEN THAT ONE
It was beautiful and now it is precious🥹
Golden Blonde and Jet Black
This is such a weirdly specific question but was it like implied that Rapunzel was the daughter of Sandman and Mavis was the daughter of pitch Black or was that something else
@@smileforever176 YES OMG! i was too scared to mentioned it because i thought it would sound too weird
The whole "ew cringy" honestly reminds me of 7th grade when you couldn't vocally like anything that wasn't considered cool. I would have thought we'd gotten over policing people's intrest at this point.
Oh wow I had buried that jack frost onceler gif DEEP in the back of my mind
Also, this reminded me of the Bad End Friends, it was another super popular tumblr crossover fandom with the eViL 🤪😈 versions of characters like dipper finn and wirt. I think it'd be really cool to see an Izzzyzzz video on that :]
I haven't thought about the bad end friends in forever! I used to watch amvs for that and the big four constantly
God I used to be OBSESSED with bef
Also remember mystery kids
I liked coming across "mystery kids" stuff, which was just a collaboration or Coraline, Over the Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, and I think in more recent years Hilda?
you had to hit me with Bad End Friends :(
@@emmy_platinum Mystery kids was always one I LOVED as I as into the spookier type of shows, but it was always hard for me to find proper content for it, but I am now remembering an entire comic someone was making about it and I am now about to hunt that down at 5:30 in the morning
Back in 2013, my friends and I literally cosplayed as The Big Four. We went to a convention as these characters, taking tons of photos as the different ships. People knew who we were too! Lots of con goers knew about the Big Four at the time. It still holds a special place in my heart, not going to lie!
The only crossover AU I ever payed attention to was the bad end friends. I just really liked the idea of ‘but what if these characters didn’t have a happy ending?’
I LOVED the bad end friends, there's so much good art of them out there
Oh!! That crossover was really good
It help that most of them were stuff that was shown in canon
Oh my gooood good memories
Omg we need a bad end friends video
Rise of the Guardians never getting a sequel has always pissed me off. It was a huge movie, besides how it preformed at the box office. My younger brother just watched it for the first time recently and asked me about any sequels or spin offs. When I told him there aren’t any, he literally said “well that sucks.” I wish universal would have made something with the characters from the movie again
Man this brings back memories! Never was in the fandom itself but it was a constant presence - I saw it everywhere. Hell, one of my longtime friends is still in the fandom today. I always like that you touch on both sides of fandoms in your vidoes. Yes, it can be intense at times with unnecessary drama, but at the end of the day, the core of a fandom is, or at least should be, just people having fun and that's really what ROTBTG is. It's really impressive that this fandom is still alive and strong today, great vid as usual! :)
Omg yes I could not have said it better! All cringe and drama aside, people were and still are happy creating stories and art for this fandom which is the most important thing - having fun
@@clarimm6675 Well said!
@@clarimm6675 yessss!!! Honestly good for them
as someone who very much was there, i’ve never heard them referred to as “the super six”, it was always the big six. i remember a lot of mavis or tadashi content (usually jackxmavis or tadaelsa) but the big six was the main stuff i saw. god i think this video caused a significant amount of psychic damage, especially when you showed frozen ii crossover holyyyy
i do wonder how different the instagram and tumblr experiences were, it’s possible that the “which was bigger” argument was cos the big four was bigger on tumblr and the big six on instagram, but i don’t know haha
I was on Instagram too haha
I grew up with it being called the Super Six, but that was Jack, Hic, Merida, Punz, Elsa and Anna. Not Mavis and Tadashi, though I did see them occasionally in the Super Six crossover stuff.
@@zoguy6988 oh yeah no it was the big four + anna and elsa but i saw mavis and tadashi involved sometimes, often enough that it was worth pointing out :)
@@handsoaphandsoap nope, just the big six! the big hero six lot were occasionally involved (tadashi more than anyone else) but not often - i assume cos it’s modern/futuristic rather than generic Past (rotg is set in the modern day but jack was a medieval kid so idk)
its so wild how far rapunzel's reach is her fan interpretation is wildly different in the rapunzel's tangled adventure fandom its kinda interesting to think how the two fandoms would mesh lol
...I was actually reminded of rotbtd recently because I found out Varian is mentioned in the wiki. Oh, and the worst thing I found out looking into that is why Cassandra X Rapunzel is listed as "Rapssandra"
Why? Because "Cassunzel" is taken by Aunt Cass (bh6) X Rapunzel. helpppp
@@alexinitalics188 that is horrific
@@alexinitalics188 I googled Aunt Cass and she looks like short haired Rapunzel but dressed modern, lol
@@aquabluerose7734 she does...
What kind of interpretation did the fans make of Rapunzel?
It's still a thing and I've seen Encanto being added. Mirabel hanging out with them. Also Isabela and Rapunzel are being shipped, which I love!
WHAT
yay :D
Uhm, can you explain why you get satisfaction out of Isabella and Rapunzel being in love with each other?
@@monkey6207 pretty girls escaping control from toxic family dynamics that both wear purple-ish dresses
@@notsuspicioususer4080consider: merida x isabela :3
everything about that fandom was so interesting, I'm so glad it's documented now
This was my first fandom and I actually kinda miss it. 😂 It was my first time being exposed to ship wars and what led to my immense hate of Frozen. I could never tell my family it was because Jelsa fans kept shitting on my ship, so I told them it was because I was tired of seeing it everywhere. Glad to know it's still going on somewhere out there.
MY GOD, I had the exact same experience lmaaaooo
So we all had the same life???
Yo omg I hated Jelsa because they were the most toxic ship ever. I voted for Helsa tho and Jackunzel
@@mariacillan9668 I was a huge helsa shipper and shipped Jackunzel out of spite for the Jelsas 💀
@@jannday2004 I shipped just about everything but Jelsa tbh
Hiccup and Rapunzel's houses should defintely be swapped. Hiccup was an inventor and researcher in many ways and loved learning more about things (Especially dragons). And it's that knowledge that he gained that would often aid him. Fitting for Ravenclaw since they are known to be smart and intelligent. He could be really nice and loyal as well, but many other characters in his films had those traits. Rapunzel was known for being extremely nice and at the start of her movie, she questioned and even panicked about leaving her tower since she trusted and was loyal to Mother Gothel. Those are traits that perfectly describe a Hufflepuff. Now when it comes to Tangled, I've only seen the first movie, I never saw the series, so I could be wrong about this. But that's how it should be in my opinion.
Did you make the meme at 15:41
I actually do prefer Rapunzel in Ravenclaw as she also has the creative side of the house, not just the typical bookworm side
I love the idea of both of them being in Ravenclaw though because they both seek new knowledge. However I could totally see Rapunzel being Hufflepuff because of her kindness and ability to make friendships with nearly everyone.
@@martin.allaman Did she…create anything?
Like, she found creative uses for her hair, sure, but other than that her greatest strengths in her movie are her strength of character and her endearing outlook.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick she is literally an artist.
Ah yes. The time in my life my friendgroup and I cosplayed Hogwarts AU Big Four at a convention and everyone knew exactly what we where dressed as.
Which one where you? And are you still friends with any if these people? 😮😮😮
I always really appreciate how you approach these topics, I had my toes in like ALL of the fandoms you've covered, I'm STILL involved in some of them, and hearing someone talk about it in a way that isn't derogatory and mean-spirited is so nice, You're always very refreshing to watch especially because I love learning about all these weird internet phenomenon, but I hate the way most people talk about them
yes like even if it’s considered cringe now at least they were happy and clearly not hurting anybody there’s not much to gain from bashing it other than maybe a laugh and a few clicks which you can still get by not bashing it
yeah, i love how she actually compliments the hard work and love put into the fanarts and fanfictions and stuff. like sure its a little strange but you can see the care put into it and thats kinda sweet
memory unlocked: i genuinely thought you were going to talk about those like cosplay story videos someone made of the big four, id nearly forgotten about it but now that i remember, i used to LOVE them so much, id follow each update and video it was so god awful but lovely in its own nostalgic kind of way
@전부 Lily hart 수는🐰 plz stop-
@@flighz9082 Just report them
15:10 people also called him Black Ice, that was Jack's like, 'darkiplier' mode. Though Black Ice existed within and out of the corrupted-by-Pitch AU, he was just kinda like the evil twin or persona. Sometimes the same person, sometimes a different one altogether.
I must say. This fandom is really strange, BUT some of the fanarts of The Big four look just soooo adorable. Someone should create an original work with a similar friend group
I felt personally offended every time you said Astrid wasn't conventionally attractive... but at least it hurt less than hearing “HTTYD is basically a horse movie“ and agreeing with it lol
10/10 video
yeah, i would argue for Eugene as well but they did not have their own stories or at least no one really focused on them since... well, they were not exactly the protagonists. They made kind of justice on Astrid and the others with the series giving information here and there which was great... i was obsessed with it for a quite a while and it honestly hurts hearing the truth no one really dared to mention until now about HTTYD being basically a horse movies
@@deerinheadlights7179 man I remember so much Eugene love back in that day, it's really baffling how he wasn't included in most RotBTD stuff I've seen.
I guess it would conflict too much with Jack/Rapunzel?
@@deerinheadlights7179 I remember seeing *some* inclusion for them back then but yeah they were mostly ignored and it was strange. I guess that even though Eugene and Astrid are attractive, they just aren’t “angsty” or “quirky” enough to make the cut (even tho Eugene is a literal orphan but I guess it’s about attitude)
@@ivyej industry and some good writing can make almost anything "angsty" enough to be honest... in fact some AO3 writers are doing great with it. But i think it is better this way, if all the cast were the same depressed 12 years old's crying over their hard lives i do not know what i would do... What i mean is that i could have been worse.
Astrid could not really make much of protagonist with the already established story of "teaming dragons" knowing how she saw things at first
And Eugene... i have no idea, his story was good enough for protagonist and would do the trick but in this case Rapuznel's view would never be close enough with te view which would do for undestemating her character and story while Flin's is even more positive (understand family friendly) portrait without too many details for his past.
My Hiccstrid-loyal heart cannot bear seeing these edits of Hiccup or Astrid being paired with someone else... even now I still covered my eyes when they popped up in the video XD
"The ship name was Hicunzel"
Holy Christ, that is the funniest thing I've heard in the last 24 hours, and I went to a comedy show last night. And the show was actually really good, so the fact that hearing this name alone made me almost pass out laughing really means people should have realized how bad that name was.
Would you have preferred RapCup
@@astuteanansi4935
Hiczel?
Rapuncup?
Rapucup?
Hiccupzel?
There is no way that ship name could've worked-
Hair Trainer?
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs not hair trainer 💀
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs HAIR TRAINER 💀
I remember seeing people getting into fights over whether Jack Frost should be shipped with Elsa or Rapunzel and just being SO confused
It’s obviously Elsa 😩✋
(this is a joke both are cute don’t come for me)
Does everybody forget that the tooth fairy exist
@@kittykittybangbang9367 omg yeah
@@babynyancat2002 Speaking of which I've heard that in the books or prequel comics Pitch actually flirts with Tooth. Imagine if that happened in the movie.
My bestie shipped JackxMerida. I didn't get at the, I still don't get it. I never like crossovers anyway
I shipped Jelsa SO HARD, I made an Ever After High oc of their daughter.
Also, it always bothered me how Hiccup, Anna, and Rapunzel, were just being shipped with eachother as if Astrid, Kristoff, and Eugene weren't a thing at all.
Like, to me, It didn't make sense.
Oh my god you made an ever after high oc of there daughter? I would love to hear about her I've never though of putting there kids in ever after high that's so cool!
Damn I could NEVER imagine Rapunzel with anyone but Flynn Rider, like come on they're probably one of the best Disney ships ever with actual plot rather than prince charming and damsel in distress
shipping rapunzel with someone else doesn’t diminish the impact of her story tho? plus, due to the nature of her character and the other related three, fan content rarely took away her agency.
@@duckydae op's point is that Eugene blows every other ship out of the water and it's actually canon, and I gotta say I have to agree. Flynn Rider is top tier husbando material, can't get any better than him 😔👌
Same like she and eugene are too cute together that i don't see the appeal of her and jack 😭
If Tangled the Series fandom taught me anything is how Rapunzel is shippable, particurlarly with Cassandra.
Before any of these movies came out I remember being a 13 year old on deviantart where my absolute OTP was a crossover. Willet, which was Wilbur Robinson from Meet The Robinsons, and Violet Parr from The Incredibles.
The fandom never blew up so I basically gobbled up all the fanfiction and art I could get my hands on. Some similarly very impressive edits were also created.
I remember my favourite fic from the time was about Violet being cryogenically frozen during a solo fight with a villain. Decades later she's discovered and revived and has to resume her highschool life (in class with Wilbur Robinson) whilst dealing with the angst of her parents being old retirees and her brothers being middle aged with families.
The devil works hard but crossover fanfic writers work harder.
There is. So much to unpack here
none of these words are in the bible
@@mitsurokiss I'm jewish anyways L'CHAIM SINNERS
ooooh link? i’m having fanfiction withdrawals lmao
As someone who rediscovered How To Train Your Dragon during the pandemic (seriously, I'm obsessed with this franchise now) and then fell into this crossover fandom as well, it's so nice to see you talk about it!! Fun fact, I was literally reading a hijack (hiccup + jack) fanfic set in Hogwarts last night. Cringe culture is dead. I love fandom!
Everyone somehow ends up at Hogwarts
Coincidentally, I am wearing my Jelsa t-shirt while watching the video. I didn't even know anything about the fandom, I just saw it and was like "You know what, they ARE cute together, they both need someone who understands them."
This was actually my first fandom, and what introduced me to shipping and fandom culture in general.
for me,it inspired to be a movie spoofer myself
As someone that was in the fandom, I can actually tell you why it was called The Big Four. It came from a line in Rise of the Guardians where Pitch says "The Big Four" in reference to Sandman, North, Bunnymund and Toothiana. So it just kind of went from there.
But like legit, I never thought I was going to ever see a youtuber talk about this. I was and still am a huge Jerida/Jarida shipper. My wife and I used to make edits of them. 😂 so legit you've just made my day. Thank you. 😁
Yess, I love them too! They're both so mischievous and playful, I can't imagine anything else!
Jarida was absolutely my favorite ship back then and I was so sad that it was so unpopular compared to others Jack's ships 😅
I'm also a huge Jarida shipper, and it's so sad that they only had a limited number of content (like fanart/fanfic)
I even traded Jarida fanfics with my Jelsa shipper friend
FireXIce Supremacy
I still love Jarida so much!! Was the best ship of the crossover so far, my first enemys to lovers fire and ice, I just LOVE them
As someone who was a part of this fandom... listen... I didn't think I'd ever hear about this again and it could have stayed that way
Edit: the Jelsa bit reawakened a slumbering rage I didn't know was still there. My headcanon was that Elsa was Rapunzel and Jack's daugther/descendant and I never understood why she wasn't integrated into the fandom that way.
My guess is that they wanted all the characters to be roughly the same age so they could have more teen interactions? Having two of the big 4 as parents would change the dynamic dramatically.
Although baby Elsa fan art would've been very adorable.
Well, it actually sort of was? Sometimes stories would cast Elsa and Anna as Jack and Rapunzel's daughters, but usually they would just make Elsa and Anna Rapunzel's cousins.
i think its because rapunzel made a cameo appearance in the frozen movie and it looked like they were around the same age ( though Rapunzel had her short hair so maybe slightly a bit older )
@@vynti7080 that was part of it, but I'd agree with that if the whole fandom hadn't essentially thrown out all the canon besides the character designs and personalities
Same, i disliked (respectfully hated) Jelsa mostly because of the toxic shippers and that almost everything was about them…
I shipped Jarida (lmao it was such a small unpopular ship that I had to contribute content for it)
I remember being yelled at for asking a question about Jelsa because I should have known it was a bad ship based on the age gap. I knew Elsa was 21 but Jack's age??? Depending on the source material, he was between 14-18. Jack was voiced by Chris Pine, he sounded like an adult. Fandoms are brutal and scary, my dude
Ah, the anti Jelsa crowd and their creative ways to jump thru hoops to somehow end up with both sides of the couple being pedos
Don’t miss that
Jack is actually immortal so he could be 1000+ years of age. In frozen 2, elsa could turn immortal since she is now an spirit so she could turn into 1000+ soon.
ManduZXD exactly! Also, William Joyce has stated before that Jack can change his physical age
@@Salamandy2.0 I saw it from that angle he’s old as hell and she is 21 🤣🤣
@@lisahoughton3262 in that case I'd argue that if it'd be creepy to ship him with anyone, probably Merida (the youngest), first movie Hiccup and maybe Rapunzel (just bc she's so innocent and sheltered) would be the ones that it would be creepy with. So basically Elsa would be the safest bet with the immortality rules!
oh man this was also HAPPENING on Pinterest too, where there were whole communities sharing their edits / taking requests/ roleplaying etc and I was INTO IT. simpler times tbh
I still check out Disney crossover art and especially cosplay on Pinterest. It’s really fun to me, probably my favorite social media site tbh.
They also fit perfetcly as an RPG group, Jack would be a mage, Rapunzel's the healer, Merida would like a rogue or a warrior and Hiccup would be the mechanical expert
or, using D&D classes, Jack would be a Sorcerer, Rapunzel would be a Cleric, Merida would be a Ranger, and Hiccup would be an Artificer
I feel like if I had tumblr during this time period, and I wasn't afraid of being mocked for liking "childish" media, I'd have had an absolute blast with this fandom. Their different personalities for sure were the main attraction.
Nothing stops you for giving it a try now. The big four was my first fandom and tbh no matter how many new fandoms i find myself in i always go back. There are tons of new art , fmv, fanfics out there that are far from cringe. Ig many fans as grew older didn't want the fandom to die
@@lostmo0nchild997 i feel like it’s a comfort fandom for many
I was too young to be on Tumblr back then, but if I was I would've definitely been part of it. I still found some of these ships on youtube and thought they were really cute. Anyone remember Golden Blonde and Jet Black, the MavisxRapunzel edit?
love that you cover the topics I couldn’t possibly explain to someone without sounding like I’m disconnected from reality