What Disney Got Wrong about Star Wars Fans
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Disney's approach to Star Wars isn't working. Here's why.
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you checked out at the right time. it's worth remembering that a jedi does not have attachments, including to pop culture
A Jedi does not have Attachments.. Yet another keyboard Plank.ignored and Destroyedbby Disney withbThe Acolyte... where every Jedinis over'emotional, Petty, Dishonest, and Desply Jealous of others.
What a disaster.
@@devobronc please get help
@@TheRelaxingRide He (?) is agreeing with you.
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I think the biggest mistake was, that they didn't made a sequel but tried a reboot with less interesting characters. We wanted to know what happened after the fall of the empire. What did we got? A new empire with a different name and also a third death star. And then they portrayed the old beloved heroes as losers and killed them as an offence to the original fans. What did they thought? That anyone would cheer about it? Yes, it was an action packed scifi movie, set in the Star Wars universe. But nothing more.
Before TLJ came out, I'd really only seen the movies. I didn't like the prequels that much. But honestly even just compared to the original films TLJ really irritated me the more I thought about it, it basically made everyone an idiot and a joke. And killed Luke for no reason at all. I think a lot of the way they tried to portray everyone who was upset about it as racist/sexist is what really killed the brand (there were certainly some people who tried to blame it all on 'wokeness' but the vast majority didn't like the bad writing and lore breaking). Basically attacking fans and lumping people who were just passionate about legends stuff in with racists/sexists who were just cynically clickbaiting.
The thing is though, after watching videos about the lore, etc I ended up reading the thrawn trilogy, as several other books, watching clone wars, etc.
@@takanara7 The Thrawn Trilogy is one of the best if not the best Legends stories. It should of been made into live action, but we will never get a good adaption similat to Peter Jackson LotR while Disney is in control or they clean house at Lucasfilm and bring back Real Star Wars Lore Masters. Filioni ain't it, he has been proven to be KK's whipping boy.
@@abrahambobst4602 KK is a real massive unchecked power. Among many other things she turned the Obi-Wan show in a story about Reva and the young Leia. What would one of us do in Filoni's place? Leave and try to start a new career or lie and wait, hoping for better days?
Disney's biggest failure was outright ignoring/ discounting original fans (OT and Prequels).
The fans (in their 30s and 50s) with kids and grandkids decided not to take their kids, or at least influence them, to much beyond the 2nd sequel. This they broke the generational chain Lucas started with the prequels.
They have to almost start from scratch to create lightning in a bottle for the current generation.
Not easy. Almost impossible.
Disney assumed we’d gulp up anything without thinking about it. Turns out Star Wars fan actually care about quality and continuity, something Disney clearly despises.
And they were largely right... to a point.
Even RotS still made a billion... and that disgusting piece of filth, TLJ, made 1.5B
@@Nyet-Zdyes yep. I boycotted every movie since that rip-off of SW77, which they called TFA. It was not good and it took people time to understand.
@@mishynaofficial Yes. I didn't personally have much problem with TFA... but The Last Jedi was "a bridge too far"... by light-years... entire parsecs.
I got into Star Wars because my aunt cajoled my mother for a year to let her take me to see this amazing new movie that was getting re-released in 1978. My kids got into Star Wars because I watched it all the time on VHS and then on DVD. I was able to sit and watch Young Jedi Adventures with them until their free D+ subscription vanished.
Star Wars had GENERATIONAL appeal. I don’t know anyone who,liked the Disney sequels who would ever want their kids to watch with them.
Disney likes [blind] consumers, not so much [loyal] fans
No. When Lucas made his crappy prequels, he had profits in mind, but he also had his artistic ideas and disdain for the Expanded Universe and what fans love about Star Wars. Stubbornness and ignorance detached him from reality and he changed a lot of Star Wars lore by 180 degrees in the prequels.
When Disney made their crappy sequels, they had profits in mind, but they also wanted to do better than the prequels because the prequels had a bad reputation. TFA famously starts by breaking the 4th wall with "This will begin to make things right", meaning "We won't make crappy prequels, we'll make good movies". But even though these films put a lot of quality work into them, Disney still considers the fans of the Original Trilogy to be fools, because they simply copied the plot and aesthetics of the OT, did not add any meaning (they did not plan a trilogy, because they had nothing to say with their movies), and also destroyed the OT lore, just like the prequels did it 15 years prior. Disney wanted to please the fans, but they have a skills issue.
Both insulted fans of the Original Trilogy, with different motivations in mind.
The only post Episode 6 movie I enjoyed was Rogue One. Aside from that, it was really nothing but disapontments after another. I've decided to let Star Wars go. Disney has ruined it for me.
what about the prequels?
@@Justinian43 I consider them pre-episode 6 I liked how they portrayed Anakin's rise and fall.
Disney bought a franchise, thinking they were buying the fandom along with it. If you change what is loved about a franchise, expect that you're going to lose most of the viewers, and don't trash them for not liking it anymore. The crap stories are disappointing, but it's the entitled attitude of the studio that infuriates the fans.
BTW, fantastic production for such a small channel!
thank you so much!! i’ll keep trying to raise the bar.
I've been a "super fan" since A New Hope changed the possibilities in my imagination in the 70's. I've seen everything on opening day since... Until Disney killed it. "Super fans " have been around (as well as the extended universe) since before you were born.
Now I won't watch anything Iger, Headlund, or KK put out. Disney will have to sell it off before I give my money to Star Wars again.
I keep a headcanon on my favorite Star Wars material but I don't share. When people ask me, I tell them that Star Wars as a franchise peaked in 1980, followed by a lot of mediocre content with occasional exceptions to the rule. I'm too embarrassed by the state of the franchise to recommend it to anyone.
Same with star trek, dr who and marvel.
Honestly, they could have gotten away with doing almost anything in terms of the plot, if they'd actually had a plan for the whole trilogy and really nailed the writing and character development. I think most of the fandom was willing to be convinced, at least in the beginning, but Disney did nothing to convince anyone to go along with its vision for the future of the Star Wars universe, because it didn't actually have one (other than "make boatloads of money"). Instead they let J.J. Abrams wing it on TFA with no actual plan for the whole-trilogy story arc, and it devolved into the cinematic equivalent of two kids arguing about how to play with their toys the "right" way.
i agree! the reason the original trilogy worked without a set in stone plan was that lucas had a few ideas on where to take it, audiences were open to it, and the central vision was strong enough to carry it through. when your story feels like it was designed in a boardroom you've lost the plot.
@@hamzakhasanWhat’s also true is in the 1970s, making movies with plans for sequels was incredibly rare such that Lucas could get away without a franchise plan because no one would have expected him to have one. In 2015, that wasn’t the case anymore.
To put it bluntly, the problem with the sequel trilogy, and everything since, is the amount of estrogen and soy making the creative decisions.
No. It is a heresy on the original characters, which causes rege. The same as the heresy of the prequels on the Force and on the older characters of the OT caused rage.
The thing is that to gain the existing fans back... they'll have to change so much, that it probably isn't possible. They took the extended universe and turned it into a loud fart. The sequels are a dead end with no real place to go except this "Twilight" version Star Wars that nobody cares about.
i'm considering making a video on where they could go next that isn't just "delete all canon" and ignore the massive investment they made over the past 10 years. it's a tough topic for sure
The way I see it, Disney is condemned to forever paddle around pre-existing eras and alternate universes ala Visions. The absence of a well-conceived sequel era is a huge blow. And the presence of a poorly-conceived sequel era is a major liability; Star Wars content will be stuck iterating on stories that have already been told.
I may have almost reached the point where I’d be okay with a Rey movie just so Star Wars gets a sequel era, and I loath the antics the directors pulled with Rey’s Force-wielding and Luke’s character. Perhaps we could write this hypothetical Rey movie as though it were the sequel to a better trilogy of movies. And at best, this sequel era would still be a watered-down version of what we could have had with properly-written sequels.
Avoiding anything Disney related is the best course of action at the moment. Even if they course correct, it will take ages.
The Heir to Empire trilogy sold 15 million copies before the prequals. That was Star Wars at its peak value.
True. I’ve been riding this mule since the OT was in cinemas, have pretty much every EU novel, and it’s always been a rollercoaster. If I track all the objective highs and lows, pros and cons, etc. along a timeline, I reckon Star Wars peaked in 1996 and bottomed out in about 2007.
@@moneyandbonesi've always thought SW peak was 1977-83.
@@mishynaofficial Yeah, well there's that 😅. Within the context of the broader story I'm considering quality of supply / feverishness of demand, cringe moments to magic moments ratio, etc. Of note, I don't think George really had anything to do with it at this point🤔!
Thanx. As a SW fan since A New Hope, I have been in mourning since Disney took over.
It is just hard to let go while the undead corpse of SW is still being made to do cheap tricks for laughs.
What did they get wrong about the fans? You mean…everything?!🤨😂
Everything... even including what it is to be a man... to understand men.
Disney missed by rejecting the OG dedicated FANs, who are sharing the OG love and Passion with their CHILDREN, passing it on.
Disney marketing is in search of a fan base that does not exist or is apathetic too SW and do not care to understand WHY people love the OG.
DISNEY WANTS SW to BEND to the latest Culture trends instead of just making a good story. When OG fans point out that Disney is NOT doing a good job, Disney marketing BLAMES the fans. ESB is bar.
DISNEY is treating SW like any other product, like Soap, Beverages, bad Kids TV, Stuffed Animals, iPhones, any movie, and have NO IDEA why fans love it..... TLJ was proof they could give a crap, write and directed by the Marketing committee to sell some stuffed toys.
OG fans refused to eat the crap Disney has turned the thing they love into.
Dismal missed by rejecting *males* and masculinity.
I'm in the same boat. Couldn't agree more with you. Checked out after The Last Jedi.
Fans spend money...Fans care...
This is absolutely true and it would behoove every studio to remember that...
They got alot wrong but primarily Disney went to war with star wars fans labeled anyone that had criticism toxic or misogynists.
Who would have thought showing hatred for the core fan base would fail?😂
I’ve never actually seen any real person from Lucasfilm directly labelling anyone that had criticism toxic or misogynistic. Never.
All I’ve seen is people say they did to get clicks on their rage-bait videos.
Where is it? Seriously.
I went to see Star Wars on opening night in 1977 as a six year old kid. Disney screwed up by the willful mistreatment of the original characters in the sequels. The way they handled Rey was pretty bad too, she somehow learned to be the most powerful force user ever without any training, which was pretty weak. That entire sequence of films, along with most of the Disney produced stuff, seems like they were trying to kill off the original fanbase on purpose. Almost like their entire thought pattern was "This will piss everybody off". Kathleen Kennedy always acts like there were no "strong women" in Star Wars before she took over, which is completely ridiculous Leia was the leader of the rebellion, Mon Mothma was another powerful member of the leadership. Padme was a heroine of the prequels as well. So either she was being intentionally and willfully ignorant of the property she was handed, or she is an outright liar with an agenda. Where Star Wars lost me is when they stopped telling good stories, and Started cranking out nothing but second rate, generic content. I think the Acolyte is it for me, that show just sucked from start to finish, and in every single way that a production could suck. Up until the sequels I never had a problem with ay Star Wars, except the racist trope that they forced on Jar Jar. I like the Mandalorian, but the rest was just bad. I have heard Andor was pretty good, but I am done with having my intelligence insulted by the stories they are trying to tell. They are tone deaf at Disney and seem dead set on alienating the demographic that cares about the franchise for a "modern audience" that they will find out doesn't even exist.
i'm shocked you watched the Acolyte before Andor, I think you missed out! if you're ever curious just check it out. it's genuinely very good as a tv show, not just as star wars.
Andor was amazing. Best Star Wars since ESB.
You think that Disney Star Wars is "second rate?" You're much more generous than I am.
You give disney too much credit. Based on what they did to the sequels, they show us that they don't know what they are doing.
The MCU gave tons of nods to the comic fans. Plots, locations, etc. taken from iconic comics, but tweaked to fit a single universe instead of the fractured mess that comics can be. They essentially distilled the best of the Marvel Comics down into their movies. So they could please any superfan who was willing to give it a chance.
The Star Wars sequels threw out the baby with the bathwater by completely discarding the SWEU. Sure, they're a mess. Sure, some of it is shit... but plenty of it isn't crap, and by pretending it doesn't matter, they spit in the face of the people who cared about it. Obviously they couldn't follow 1:1 because they needed to timeskip further than the EU did to account for the actors ages... but the new generation could have been known characters like Corran Horn, with background edits to make them fit this new timeline.
...and then they proved they didn't have a plan. If the sequels had been *tight* stories that obviously had a great story to tell that wouldn't work with the EU, they could have convinced people. But it was directionless mess, making the "well the EU was a mess" argument ring hollow.
The truth is Star Wars is only really popular because of the OT. Most people wanted to like the PT more than they actually did. The EU was popular because it was the continued adventures of the OT characters. We liked some of the new characters they created but not in the same way we cared about the OT characters.
If Disney had centered it on the OT cast and slowly built up side characters they could have been successful. But instead they erased them and replaced them with characters we don’t care about. Then they continued to poison the franchise to the point where is is dead.
As so many love saying the audience score is the only thing that matters... there's only one prequel with a non-rotten score and only one Disney movie with a rotten score. Disney has done a better job connecting with fans than the prequels.
But I think the problem is we've never had a time where we were getting regular live-action content. It didn't take long for it to stop being an event. Most people like Disney's stuff, they just don't love it or look forward to it anymore.
@@stevenclubb7718 Neither score on rotten tomatoes matters at this point. There is already abundant proof Disney is using bots to raise the score and there are lots of people who aren't watching the new content but leaving negative reviews. We also know how professional critics are encouraged to prop up Disney or lose premium access so their reviews don't really mean anything. The only metrics that matter are viewership and merchandising. If not enough people are watching the content or buying the merchandise the brand is failing.
I don't doubt there are some people who like Disney's content but based on the metrics it isn't most people.
The key difference between the backlash during the Prequels and the backlash now is that during the Prequels most fans wanted it to get better. They still had high expectations. Now many fans want Star Wars to end and never back. They don't believe it can improve and would prefer a mercy killing to stop the suffering.
Honestly, I've never really gotten the prequels hate, Sure they're not as good as the original trilogy, They definitely have their flaws (CGI Yoda looks weird, Jar Jar Binks is a bit annoying, some of the dialogue is a bit clunky or awkward, et cetera.), but in general I feel like they were good movies, I'd definitely say they suffered less from bad writing than the Sequels did, where they started off decently enough but got kinda more incoherent as it went on (Likely partially due to The Last Jedi having a completely different writer from the other two, But I suspect also a degree of poorer planning in general, Among other things). To be fair part of it is probably that the prequels came out around or shortly before I was born, So while I think I _had_ seen the Original Trilogy before them, it was only by a few years, so I didn't have much time to become attached to the plot and characters, to become a fan so to speak, Nor had I indulged in any Star Wars media outside of the main films at the time.
Also, I'm not sure I agree fully with this; The original trilogy was able to get you to care about its main characters, so why shouldn't a sequel be able to get you to care about its own ones without leveraging how much people already care about the original characters? If anything, relying solely on already established characters, while it might make it appeal more to fans of the original series, likely wouldn't do much to appeal to people who don't already love it, to make new fans. Although to be fair I'm not sure how many people there were watching the sequels who hadn't already seen the originals, Aside from young children, considering they are some of the most popular films of all time... Still though, I think ideally the films should yes in a way continue the story of the OT, but also stand on their own, the original characters already had their story told, and in my opinion Return of the Jedi is a satisfying end to their story, why do we need more of their story when its already ended? Why must more be told about them?
I don't think it's a good idea to bring back OT characters. As the unspoken rule says, never talk about the second most important day in your character's life. The OT characters had their moral peak in the OT, there is nothing left to say by them that can surpass the OT. So why even bother to stain them?
I've always told if Disney wanted the sequels they should start 100 or 1000 years from the OT.
The Force Awakens told all the Star Wars fans the original trilogy did not matter. All the lost lives were pointless. I hated Disney and the franchise lost all it was worth
The quality of the tv shows is categorically not improving
Sorry to spoil your anti-Disney party
ANDOR - a true masterpiece at every level
@@jazzx251One good peice of media in 10 years doesn't mean it is improving.
@espo221b
Right now I'll happily take one good piece. Tony Gilroy has been masterful with Andor...it's the best Star Wars since ESB.
@@jazzx251 Andor's the exception to the rule
@@espo221b "Andor" is far from the only good piece of Star Wars media in the past 10 years, though. "Rogue One" was excellent, And while there were certainly some flaws with them, I'd say "Solo", "The Mandalorian", and "The Book of Boba Fett" all were more good than bad, _at least_ a 6/10, And certainly had some great moments. (Although of course that take is controversial, And I know many people would disagree with me, About Solo and Boba Fett at least, haha, so do note that these are just my personal opinions.)
In hindsight, Disney was the worst possible fit for Disney among all the big studio suitors. And it goes beyond the woke poison that infects all the studios.
I'll tell you a secret. The studios are pushing the so-called "woke" stuff because the executives know it'll piss you off enough to vote for the guy who's going to give them a huge tax break.
Yep, I'm that guy. I actually enjoyed Force Awakens for the nostalgia hit, the relaunching of a new age, brand new exciting characters, so many questions to be answered. But I had this niggling problem I couldn't let go of. Why did everything feel so small? 30 years after the rebels defeat the Empire and take over the government, they are all able to be wiped out on a few planets right next to each other. Where is the space fleet from Mon Cala? Was that Coruscant getting destroyed? If yes, then the Corellia space yards might still be fine. If not then 3 trillion people are still in control on a concrete / metal world. Will Black Sun or the Hutts take this as an opportunity to seize control of some Republic settlements? How have the First Order been allowed to exist and build a planet sized super weapon without government oversight? It just felt very thin and empty. I didn't need a nod to the original film with the the Dejarik table turning on. I needed to hear that Ilum had been harvested and turned into Star Killer base as an affront to the Jedi.
im 50/50 torn on force awakens its like, yes i did enjoy it, but i still wanted something more.
The main problem I have, is much of the film feels pretty derivative of A New Hope. Also, I thought Rey was somewhat of a Mary Sue until The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker.
i agree. the force awakens really feels thin! there’s a lack of substance, and even with the dramatic swells of cameos it doesn’t hit the same levels. it’s fun to watch on a base level but it doesn’t set up anything, and set up is what the modern star wars fan appreciates.
Apparently the "Disney Cannon" reason for "Starkiller base" is that the empire was building it already (which is extremely dumb) and the first order just, like, found it and finished it. But yeah it's completely idiotic - like you see hux give that speech to like maybe a few hundred or thousand people and somehow they have a machine the size of a PLANET? And the resistance only has a few x-wings to send out? The Disney stuff makes it seem like the whole conflict is between two small gangs, not something that affects the entire galaxy.
Feels like Disney dont want us to be fans anymore. Avengers, Starwars...Disney gives us abominations until we leave for good.
while every disney movie is designed to make as much money as possible, it feels like lately the movies are even more obviously pointed towards that goal with nothing else.
it seems to me that disney is seeking a mythical "modern audience" that they don't actually have. when you try to manufacture a fan base out of thin air, thin air is all you keep getting.
It's basic math, if you can pump out three garbage TV shows for the price of one really good show, but you make more then 1/3rd as much money with the garbage ones, from the short-term view then it makes money to pump out the garbage. Over the long term, it burns people out but what do they care? They'll just buy some other IP and ruin it. (BTW, did you know JRR Tolkien actually put in his will that his shit could NEVER be sold to Disney? Thank god, lmao)
@@takanara7 Unfortunately,, Tolkien's IP still got sold to an Asshat that is very similar if not the same as Disney Iger.
My last hope is the upcoming Rey movie (Ep. X The New Jedi Order). This new production is promising much more of the same, with an even more empowered Rey among other things. Fans won't be caught off guard this time, like we were with the sequels but Disney won't be able to justify the film's poor box office performance with the usual excuses. Maybe then things began to change for the better.
You're absolutely right about picking and choosing what you want. I'm old enough to have watched and loved the original 'Star Wars', later 'Episode IV - A New Hope'.
I'm really just a sci-fi fan. I didn't care for V or VI, didn't watch I, II or III, gave VII a chance, but not VIII or IX, and loved 'Rogue One', perhaps my favourite movie in the franchise. I wasn't the target audience for the books, cartoons and comics.
So for me, Star Wars is 'Rogue One' and 'A New Hope'. I simply ignore the rest, and don't care about the terrible prequels, sequels, and TV series, with their poor scripts, lore busting plots, and lamentable acting.
'Rogue One' and 'A New Hope' tell a complete and compelling story, and for me, Star Wars ends when the medals get handed out...
You and I are in the same territory. I quite liked The Empire strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, but A New Hope and Rogue One are the two best films by a good mile. I watched the first film of the two other trilogies, but was sorely disappointed. I couldn't be arsed to watch II and III or VIII or IX.
Rogue One for me... it's forgettable and not worth getting into, but A New Hope is something special.
Not liking Empire Strikes back is kind of wild.
@@takanara7'A New Hope' is a standalone story. 'Empire Strikes Back' is part 1 of a 2 part story, which is ruined by the Ewoks. The trilogy ended up appealing more to kids. 'Return of the Jedi' came out in 1983, a year after 'Blade Runner' in 1982. As a sci-fi fan, there was no comparison between the two...
Have to disagree, though TLJ had very good shots, it ends very poorly as there is no real cliffhanger and no real villain going into the rise of palpatine. This made them force palpatine to come back in the last movie which was just really dumb.
honestly I expected a rey vs. ben storyline with the two of them being inexperienced young leaders each making tough decisions. I think it would've been fun to have characters with truly no other guidance other than the people under them believing in them, and it would've been new to the franchise! that leadership role would've been fun.
@@hamzakhasanit would have just been rebels vs empire and jedi vs Sith again. There is nothing new set up in tlj or any sequel movie. It was going to end with the bad guy turning good again like a poor man's Vader, or the bad guy getting beat again like we already saw him get beat in tfa. There is nothing interesting about either scenario.
@@espo221b Not necessarily. Kylo Ren being offered redemption but doubling down and ultimately being too far gone would be a nice change of pace. If we have Finn and other stormtroopers be the redemption story of this trilogy, it works! We did almost get this with the original script, Duel of the Fates! It was a first draft, and was written before Carrie Fisher passed away, but with some tweaks, it would have made for a fantastic ending!
@inventorking9124 There is nothing interesting about seeing Kylo being defeated by Rey (again). Kylo Ren is a horrible character. He was never competent enough to be the main villain and never sympathetic enough to be redeemed. TLJ took the story nowhere. It didn't make Kylo the villain he needed to be and tfa made it so redemption was never going to work. Whatever choice they made would have been awful because the setup and story was just not there. All potential was wasted by the end of tlj.
My last hope was vaporized with Ahsoka. Loved the animated CW/Rebels stories. But live action was tepid, and dull.
Disney's overall approach is very hard to read. It's clearly not for money - those D+ shows are not profitable, and they haven't brought a film to screen in 6 years. I like sci fi. But the recent stuff is nonsense. People will be very cautious about the next film because - understandably - they don't know "what kind of Star Wars" they're going to get. In the meantime, DIS keeps debasing the currency by releasing lousy tv shows.
I just watched Ahsoka recently and it was soo boring. I agree they totally ruined a fun character and made her boring a.f. Obi-Wan and Yoda in the OT were both fun characters with senses of humor, Why is Ahsoka so dull? Also, Thrawn was awesome in the books, they turned him into a total idiot here. Read the original Thrawn Trilogy books, they're great.
@@takanara7 Totally agree. It was like they'd decided that "older Ahsoka" means dull, lifeless, passive, and being pushed around by the plot as Young Hot New Sabine!! takes over "the fun role". She's also weak, compared with CW Ahsoka - who bested Vader, and defeated Maul in that epic sequence on Mandalore. In the D+ show she can barely lift a saber, and her poise is less Zen Master than Benzodiazepam.
Glad to see someone actually more familiar with the backstory give a take on it, I didn't find Ahsoka that interesting, But I assumed that was mostly because I didn't already know the characters (I barely knew Ahsoka from watching _some of_ "The Clone Wars" many years ago, and I knew nothing at all about any other major characters, most of which I'd never heard of before), Which the show seemed to really expect you to know.
If you still have fond childhood memories of Star Wars, I don't recommend watching the Disney interpretation masquerading as Star Wars shows. These shows are not made for Star Wars fans, movie fans or casual audiences. These shows are instead made for the writers/producers of these shows, which shows in the lack of anyone else watching them.
The Mandalorian is pretty good
Can't agree on Andor. It's incredible.
enjoyed the video, looking forward to checking out all your other ones, not sure I completely agree with some of your points butyou placed them in a very clear concise manner, which I appreciate.
appreciate it! i do a variety of videos. this one seems be doing fairly well so i'll keep the format. any suggestions on topics?
Even if you take away the disrespect or idea of what Luke Skywalker should be in the Last Jedi, even though I like the newer characters, there were major mistakes. By the end of Rise Of Skywalker, they had ruined a great villain Kylo Ren. The Last Jedi had so many flaws but, yeah, the effects were good but, you still can’t drop bombs in outer space. Gravity is absent.
I grew up a Star Trek fan, and I liked, but I didn’t love the original trilogy. I absolutely love the prequel because it scratched the same itch that Star Trek does in presenting a vast galaxy that I wanted to explore. I wish Disney understood that
One issue they have is hiring people that have no knowledge of Star Wars. Actors whose ego is greater than their acting ability. And a showrunner that worked for a sexual predator.
Disney forgot that one death was a tragedy, but 100 trillion deaths was an impersonal statistic. Nobody was invested in five planets being destroyed. Rogue One is an example of how to get the audience invested.
I already forgot that movie
I didn't like the prequels and never read the EU or played any star wars video games and I despise the sequel trilogy. I don't know who Disney made the sequels for, but it wasn't for fans of the movies. Butchering the story and characters from the previous trilogies was never going to please anyone.
I hope you don't watch any more disney star wars content. There is no fixing it now.
Being a Star Wars fans has always been hard in my lifetime (born 1991). When I was little little I was obsessed and Star Wars was all I cared about and when I’d bring stuff to school or talk about it I’d get made fun of and then Episode 1 came out and “everyone” was excited and it was cool to like Star Wars and then shortly after no one cared again and it became a “nerd” or “weird” thing to like. And for years I still collected merch that I liked and got the books and comics I wanted and kept it in the dark. Then Disney happened and I had so much hope that Disney would make everyone unite and retroactively make all of Star Wars cool but instead Disney themselves pushed back against fans like me AGAIN I still have them a shot and honestly I like to watch Solo and of course Rogue One is excellent but the rest just doesn’t have that pull of making me wish I was there and with those characters or one of the characters. Since Disney has been more diverse and “inclusive” with the characters the less I feel like I morally align with them because they are so shallow. I miss Star Wars and want it to be the galaxy far far away that you would give anything to be in again just to escape this worlds politics and problems but now Disney even shoves those in our face with there stories
My 6y/o son just bought that Star Wars encyclopedia! 😂
it’s what inspired this video! hope he enjoys it
Ben Kenobi was the last Star Wars show I gave attention to, just due to the fact that there were SO MANY Star Wars shows being released. It just felt like cash grabs at that point while not catering to the actual story experience. This includes Marvel too, I just dont feel invested in them anymore. Great video & please jarjar my binks.
thanks. jarjaring as we speak
You should check out Andor, though. It's actually pretty good.
I'm somewhere between Casual Viewer and Movie Watchers these days and moving towards Casual Viewer. SW was pretty amazing when it came out in the 70's. I remember sitting there in the theater with my jaw hanging open watching "A New Hope" the first time. But since then it's been two steps forward and one step back at best. It just seems like too much of a money grab now.
Great job 💯👍
4th group. Hate watchers who only watch YT videos that hate on woke Disney Star Wars.
I’ve morphed into a hybrid. Watch the shows, then watch a million youtube videos on them.
At this point RUclips has gotten more money from me from the ad revenue than Disney has for Star Wars content.
When you try to please everyone, you produce something that pleases no one.
I posted a comment . Ask anyone in the actual real world the name of those people. Now, ask them, the full name of any of those 3 people! Now, in what movie? When
I haven't even watched some of the new SW shows, the oversaturation and lack of meaningful additions really made me apathetic towards them... which is crazy considering how hyped I used to be for every single new piece of SW media. It's not even that the stories they're telling are inherently bad, I just... don't care anymore ngl
apathy kills the mega franchise
Finally someone who says it! You have the right to not like the new stuff, but don't act like the old universe with all the books, comics and games is not here anymore if you preferred that. There's so much stuff to choose from that there'll always be something to pick up.
exactly! there’s just so much pre-disney star wars that isn’t going anywhere. maybe i’ll make a video on the games as some of them are under threat of no longer being available, but for the most part it’s all still there.
People wanted to have new Star Wars content that is not garbage, too. The complaints are absolutely justified.
Sorry to tell you this, but Star Wars was screwed when they ditched the Extended universe to replace it with Lucas’s limited and frankly deranged vision. The prequels and all the nonsense they introduced are what’s wrong with Star Wars.
Rogue Squadron. Wraith Squadron. Mara Jade.
“I, Jedi” is an INCREDIBLE novel.
Marvel just did the same thing with their Ultimate universe. Shit all over what had come before.
While I'm not a fan of the current Star Wars stuff I think there's a big point everyone seems to miss these days. Star Wars was made for kids, It has always been an excuse to sell toys. If you're in anything above your teens years and complaining that you don't like Star Wars anymore a big slice of that is very probably because you arn't a child.
It's in this vid although not quite pointed out, This guy likes Star Wars from when he was a child. All the expectations about the new Star Wars stuff was (and is) from adults, children arn't complaining about it. This vid talks about the new stuff not pleasing the fans of the prequels, the prequels didn't please the fans of the original trilogy. Proves the point, you like what you saw as a child because it's aimed at children.
I agree. I am so disappointed with Rise that I simply can't watch it. It's as if nobody involved in making it had ever watched the first three or the second three either. I just don't get it.
What I would like to see is something that probably won't happen. I like Star Trek too and some fans, including Vic Mignona from anime game and Grant from Mythbusters fame, got together and made Star Trek Continues. Which effectively is a great attempt at a fifth, final season of the Original Series. So, I'd like to see fans make some of the books into movies or even series they can crowd find and put on RUclips. Fandom requires passion and it would make a good passion project. And it's not like SW fans aren't passionate. Splinter of the mind's eye was my first SW book and it was fairly short. I think that would make a decent test.
But like I said it probably won't happen because Disney will find out and get lawyers into it and bring it to a stop. No doubt it would be good, though!
Well, unfortunately, and Generally Speaking, this was inevitably going to realistically happen while Star Wars is under Disney, and this's ultimately in no part due to things and matters such as that Disney's, for all tense(s), a Kid-Friendly Corporation who dependably rely other thing and matters such as every single sort and type of Nostalgium and Hopium in order to generally all-around 'financially' 'sell' their own products to whoever they can whenever they can, and because people are 'more often than not' naively blind and pathologically fickle to said action(s) in both their majorities and in their entireties as well. - (Amongst many other things and matters.).
But, ultimately, all in all, and at the end of the day, Film Universes and Canons such as Disney-LucasFilm's Star Wars Cinematic Universe-MultiVerse and Disney-LucasFilm's Star Wars Canon itself has been a clumsily jumbled-up mess of a Franchise and Series from its original inception of said Film Universe all the way up until now, and that's because at the end of the day neither its Creators, nor its Fandoms, nor its General Audiences have no clue what they all needed for these very projects to genuinely do and/or what they all wanted these very projects to honestly be. - And, so, Film Universes and Canons such as Star Wars' Cinematic Universe-MultiVerse and Disney-LucasFilm's Star Wars Canon itself is reactively going through a Identity Crisis that they won't answerably solve and repairably fix, and that's because they just don't want to do any of that whatsoever and they act as if it's virtually impossible for them to do so, and would rather actively watch said Film Universe and said Canon burninly torn down around them for 'The World' to see than to mutably change their own Franchises and their own Series for the positively good betterment of everyone else and for themselves overall, and also, altogether as well too. (And that's no different than what other Franchises and Series such as Disney's Animated Universe-MultiVerse, The Muppets, TRON and Spider-Man are concurrently going through as presently as well.).
"How do you go back from that?" I guess you mean from the mess Disney created. The answer is simple. Simple in concept, at least, but difficult to make happen. Disney is forced to sell Lucas Films and the buyer; let us say Apple, declares that everything that is Disney Star Wars, is no longer cannon. Problem solved, at least in the short run. Whether Apple or anyone else can bring back the magic of Star Wars is anyone's guess.
Decanonize the movies that made billions?
@@Wintermute01001 - I'm not going to give you a smart ass reply, because your question is; at least on a surface level, a valid one.
I would only point out that billions of dollars in revenue does not equate to billions of dollars in profits. In fact, total profits made from all five Disney Stars Wars movies have failed to come close to paying for the $4 billion Disney paid to purchase Lucasfilm; and don't get me started on the failure of most of Disney's Star Wars streaming shows.
Bottom line, even ignoring inflation and ignoring the losses incurred by the failure of Indiana Jones 5 and the complete write off they took on Willow, Disney hasn't even recovered their initial investment in Lucasfilm and it has been almost twelve years since they purchased it
I recommend you read an article written in Forbes on this subject that came out just a few months ago to get a more complete picture. It is more optimistic about Disney's Star Wars future than I am. Here's a link to it. www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
No company can. All they see is dollar signs and statistics
Honestly, I didn't much like the sequel trilogy, Some parts were fine but it certainly doesn't hold up to the OG or the prequels, Imo, But pretty much everything else Disney Star Wars has done, I've liked. Rogue One was fantastic, I enjoyed Solo, And once the shows started coming out, Honestly they haven't all been great, And even the good ones had some flaws in my opinion, But they delivered something of exactly what I wanted from Star Wars; Things like The Mandalorian or The Book of Boba Fett were expanding more on the worldbuilding, What different worlds and cultures and whatnot are like, which I loved, as oftentimes the worldbuilding is the part of a story I actually care most about. It's true I probably could've got much of the same stuff from watching the earlier shows, and reading the comics and books, But I simply... Hadn't done that. I'd watched some of "The Clones Wars" when I was way younger, but stopped long before it finished (There were apparently 7 total seasons of it, But I highly doubt I ever watched more than 3, if even that many), and didn't remember much anyway (And likewise for the Lego Star Wars games, which I'd played, when they went outside the cannon of the 6 main movies.), so this was all new stuff to me, expanding on one of my favourite parts of a franchise that I already enjoyed.
(While I don't remember them all terribly well (Especially Obi-Wan, and to a lesser extent some parts of the Mandalorian), I did enjoy to some extent all of the Disney Star Wars shows, except maybe Ahsoka, which wasn't _bad_, but it felt heavily geared towards people who were already familiar with the characters from previous shows, when I very much was not, really the only character in it I was actually familiar with was Ahsoka, and my familiarity with her was from the aforementioned early seasons of The Clone Wars which I watched long ago.)
Please re-upload without that bg music. Loud acid jazz over a thoughtful film analysis is less than harmonious 😵💫🔫
Try Andor. :)
good idea
enjoyed the video for the first 10 mins, then didnt enjoy the end, i dont know why, just letting you know
appreciate the feedback
You’re spot on about how Disney fumbled the ball with Star Wars. They failed to grasp the appeal of the Expanded Universe which was the heart of the fandom’s devotion. Flushing it down the toilet and making a poorly conceived badly executed sequel trilogy adds insult to injury.
Even George Lucas doesn’t understand the fandom. From the beginning his vision for Star Wars was a franchise aimed at children in order to sell toys and merchandise. Recall that ownership of the merchandise was a core element of his deal with the studio.
What George missed is his first two movies became a cultural phenomenon because they appealed to all ages - a grown up movie with just enough grittiness and violence to make it compelling but one that children could enjoy.
Starting with Return of the Jedi George began making Star Wars more children’s fare. I was 13 in 1983 and I groaned when the too-cute teddy bear Ewoks appeared. It took me right out of the movie. I felt like Ralphie in A Christmas Story, when his long awaited decoder ring arrived and the secret coded message was an Ovaltine commercial. Serious letdown.
The prequels were even more infantile, especially The Phantom Menace with a literal child protagonist and a bumbling comic relief sidekick everyone hated. The backlash is what prompted Lucas to admit he always wanted Star Wars to be for children.
Hi JJ, good to see you.
nääh 2 trilogies and rogue one... everything else is BS.
@4:08 .... No... No... No...
1 good actor out of 3. Not a passing grade.
the identity politics and kathleen kennedy killed it for me. Star Wars was this beautiful world that could be enjoyed by people of all backgrounds, religions and political stances. Now, Star Wars feels like an attempt to push certain views down the viewer’s throats.
I grew up with Star Wars as a kid and I enjoy it as an adult. Here's the weird thing though I don't treat the original trilogy as if it was gospel, for me it's just Sci fi fantasy fun for families that has laser swords and magical wizards but also has samurai western elements. Not wanting to quote from the "Gospel of George" but he even said "It's for 12 year olds". There's this strange division within the fandom where you have the old farts that watched The original trilogy back in the day and hate Lucas for making the prequels crying how its not their Star war and writing parody songs about how lucas raped their childhood. Then you have the newer generation of fans who grew up watching the prequels and loved Lucas until he sold the franchise to Disney and now they're bitching about the sequel trilogy not their Star Wars either. I'm not saying what Disney is doing with the I.P. is 100 percent gold but I don't put Star Wars on a pedestal, this might not be a popular opinion but the star wars fans kinda killed their own fandom, they are never happy with anything Disney puts out unless its Andor even though i personally think it's overrated. We should be grateful that Star wars is even still alive, we the fans that wanted more star wars and George Lucas gave us more star wars and we spat on him for it 😢. The actor who played Jar Jar considered taking his own life because of the backlash. I'm sorry but Star Wars fans killed the fandom.
@pancrase9048 Disney undermined everything about Lucas' story and made his trilogies inconsequential. Disney ruined Star Wars. Just because you are willing to ignore that disney ruined star wars doesn't mean it didn't happen.
No matter how bad the new trilogy may be (I didn‘t follow it after Force Awakens), as soon as someone praises the prequels, I‘m outta here.
I don‘t care if you grew us with those. They got just as much backlash back then as the new films got, and that‘s because they suck and they do everything worse compared to what made the original films so beloved pop culture phenomenons in the first place.
There‘s three Star Wars movies. Period.
They have a very basic fantasy/fairytale hero‘s journey story set in space with ridiculously likable characters, despicable villains and vivid imagination to fill up the details.
That’s all. That’s the whole magic.
No franchise entry afterwards managed to grasp the simplicity of this.
fair point. nostalgia is really the driving factor for a lot of people regarding the prequels, and i notice a lot of the time it’s appreciating the bad as just schlock. the OT is still my favorite, but i think the prequels hold some appeal regardless of it doing a lot of things worse
@@hamzakhasan, imagine having that nostalgia, but for the OT. The new Disney SW is just painful. Rogue One is the sole exception.
Disney mistook Star Wars fans for intelligent, mature adults.