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When I walked out of the theater from TLJ, I heard a 40-something year-old guy say to his wife "I feel like that was made by someone who hates Star Wars, and hates me for liking Star Wars."
I was still in University when the movie came out and a bunch of us students went to watch it. After it was over we left the theater and... There was silence. Noone had anything to say until one guy just said "I do not want to see that movie ever again"
@@Schnee-tr1jg I was 46yo when the movie came out. And for the first time in my life I didn't feel uplifted by a Star Wars film, okay the death of Han in TFA had hit me hard, but this one was so much worse. It made me feel bad about loving Star Wars. And yes, I do not want to see that movie ever again. I refuse to watch it again. I will not ever watch it again.
Or how she can fly ships she shouldn’t. The Falcon is a two-man job for example. Or her one hit polykill in this movie which ignores how blasters normally work.
@@emberfist8347 Somehow, the Falcon gained the triple fighter penetration characteristic on its cannons. Guess Han farmed for a Legendary weapon mod between trilogies.
To this day it’s incredible that they literally took the most famous franchise in movie history, and decided to make a new trilogy without any sort of plan or direction for the movies
Took the biggest IP in human history. And destroyed it. Toys, books, games, shows, movies, theme park. Could have made billions and billions every year. Damn Disney is stupid. Like the most stupid.
Right? No one was like "hmmm...maybe we should make at least a loose outline of where and how we want this franchise to go. NO. They were just like "let's wing this b!tvh! Lol
@@bethanywallace8575 not sure why that’s being said because there was a rough sketch/loose outline for the trilogy from the start. JJ and others have openly acknowledged that since the sequel trilogy ended. What happened was that Kathleen Kennedy loved how JJ and Rian blew so much smoke up her ass, that by the time Rian got to direct, he threw out a lot of the rough plans/ideas they had in place to carry thru the 3 movies (a big one being the killing off of snoke in TLJ instead of keeping him as the big bad, bigger than sidious, and not keeping him alive to the 3rd movie) because he repeatedly kissed KK’s ass & convinced her he had better ideas than JJ, which led to Colin treverrow’s version of the 3rd movie being basically rewritten and reworked to the point that he stepped away from the project altogether, forcing JJ to rewrite and course correct & make the horrible Rise of Skywalker. But again… there was a rough sketch of ideas that the 3 directors agreed to keep for the trilogy with the ability to put a bit of their own spins on some of their own respective movies, but Rian was the one who shit the bed with his ego & he thought he could do what he wanted and he ruined Star Wars for everyone by making such massive, destructive choices that no one could recover from.
it's even worse when you consider that fukin George Lucas made an outline for 7-9 which they fuckin rejected let that sink in for a moment Lucas made an outline for 7-9 which they fuckin rejected
That's the biggest crime of all. They couldn't even be arsed to let these three characters talk to each other onscreen before they all die in real life. Now that Carrie's gone, it's impossible.
@@LordVader1094 yeah, I have to admit that despite the fact that it seems that many of the recent Disney Star Wars projects try to use nostalgia to lure people in, aside from the OG cast there's not much nostalgia towards the prequels compared to the OG trilogy. Compared it to how Marvel managed to do it better with No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine
The cast were great. I guess I'd have been glad to see them play cool versions of their aged characters, but it wasn't essential. I just want the rigorous intent, the authentic fun, and the mythical spirit back. It's not about satisfying the expectations of the fans. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney have no respect for the material.
It was strange that The First Order was just a terrorist group in TFA that was attempting to overthrow the Republic and had most of their forces wiped out when Starkiller base was destroyed. Now they're apparently just in control of the galaxy and it happened overnight. You would think that after the the base was destroyed that the rest of the galaxy would rise up to defeat them (considering they did in TROS), but for some reason they've "lost all their hope". Where the hell are the armies and leadership of Coruscant? World-building is dead. Look at the pretty colors and clap.
I remember when everyone pissed in the prequels for having political storylines in the movies, but at least those storylines served as massive world building pieces and gave us an idea of what was happening. It’s utterly baffling how quick the ST world spins around.
A terrorist group that owns the most powerful weapon to ever exist in the universe, is not "just a terrorist group". Or to put it another way, the First Order is an inane attempt at copying the Empire. They have galactic level ressources, the kind of ressources you can only accumulate through decades of hegemony. Even the separatist in the prelogy could not overpower the Republic.
This is all JJ's fault, honestly. He didn't give a shit about including world building or "politics" in his movie... but it was all there. In the official novelizations and other tie-in materials that no one bothered reading. I only know that the First Order is actually the same size as the NR because I was so damned confused after watching TFA, not once but twice, that I went on a Wookiepedia bender desperate to find some god-damned answers. So basically... several years before TFA, leading up to Emo Ren's stumble into the Emo side of the Farce/Luke's disappearance, TFO attempted a coup on the NR. Basically Palpatine 2.0 where they engineered a problem as an excuse to centralize power under a puppet secretly loyal to TFO with the backing of Imperial Apologists in the Senate. This included partisans being funded by gangsters who were getting money laundered from corrupt senators and blah blah blah... Leia uncovers this plot and a candidate from her party gets elected as Chancellor instead. However, Leia couldn't run herself because a TFO puppet revealed that Leia was secretly Vader's daughter and that forced her out of politics. So TFO has the "Good" chancellor assassinated while orchestrating a mass seccession of worlds that were ruled by those in the Imperial-Apologist party that wanted the NR to be more like the old Empire... these worlds then immediately pledged loyalty to TFO. Up to this point, TFO was just a rogue group operating out of the Unknown Regions and kept themselves strictly hidden. So they announced themselves to the greater galaxy by effectively stealing half of the NR's worlds in a diplomatic coup (after a failed coup to take ALL the NR and an assassination of the NR's new leader). And the NR's reaction to the remnants of their old enemy funding partisans as an excuse to stage a secret coup, assassinating the new leader of the NR when their coup failed, taking half of the NR's territory by orchestrating a mass betrayal of a major political party, before launching into a massive militarization campaign complete with kidnapping and brainwashing children into slave soldiers was to... Immediately sign an NAP with TFO and continue demilitarizing and decentralizing to the point of castration. I cannot make this shit up. It's like if during JFK's time a Fourth Reich is formed out of Buenos Aires, most Latin American countries then face a similar coup and pledge fealty to their new Fuhrer, rapidly militarize and begin pushing straight up through Mexico.... all while JFK whines about how "WAR IS BAD :S" while rapidly destroying the US's military inorder to prevent any "provocation" of their "new neighbors." So once all the Centrists (Imperial Apologists) that were pushing for things like "a functioning government" and "a military that can protect our sovereignty" got fed up with the NR and noped out to join TFO, only the spineless fucking pussies were left in charge. This is why the NR is such an embarrassing non-entity in the movies that gets wiped out in a single attack. RJ didn't do that. It was already established in the TFA tie-in novels that were released before/alongside TFA. I can't say how much of that 'world building' JJ actually signed off on and how much of it was other writers desperately trying to make sense of the bullshit script JJ shat out... but yeah. That's why TFO was able to conquer the NR in a matter of minutes. That single dot hovering over the world Starkiller Base blew up (Hosnian Prime iirc)? That was it: the sum total of the NR's GALACTIC fleet. They believed in decentralization so strongly that member states were required to fund their own defense in separate fleets while the NR only kept a small token fleet. A single, goddamn, 1/4 strength "fleet." The more we learn about TFA the worse it becomes.
My mother introduced me to Star Wars when I was 12 and told me _“Jasper, this is as good as film gets.”_ She was a writer and I really took her words to heart. All I was able to give her in return, however, was dragging her to witness the horror of Episodes VII & VIII with me so I didn’t have to suffer alone. _“Mom, this is as bad as films get.”_ I’ll never forget staying up til 4 in the morning on those Christmas breaks from college critiquing them together, or the look on her face when I told her we had 45 minutes left in The Last Jedi. Thankfully she didn’t live to see Rise of Skywalker, and I had enough sense by that point to spare myself the needless pain of watching it either (until last year drunk with my best friend WOOT Sith dagger to the throat WOOT). But I shall cherish forever the memories of my mom, my very own Jedi Master, losing her cool and absolutely ripping this film apart. Your sequels revisited videos take me back, Nutsa. Thanks.
@@Ruylopez778 “For the last half hour this movie felt like a vampire. Somebody needed to find a stake and put it out if its misery.” Exactly what my mom’s face said in the -3rd- _4th_ act.
When I brought my father to see the movie, and we got to Snoke's death, he said that the Looney Tunes' end theme would have fit perfectly with Snoke's shocked expression, and all the scene missed was "That's all Folks" written on screen. And now I can't unsee or unhear it.
Fact : Someone should remix that movie with a different SFX and music tracks. Just highlight it for the comedy it is. Could even add a few laugh boxes.
@@theguybehindyou4762 I personally imagine just the shocked expression with the regular ending theme, while "That's all Folks!" appears and the screen irises out. Then Snoke falls and cut to black.
Finn and Rose were so unimportant that Nutsa didn't even talk about em, I'm sure I'm forgetting another part like R2 existing and not really doing anything and whatnot
R2’s lack of importance shows how little Disney knows about the franchise. George has said in the past R2-D2 is the narrator of the saga hence why he keeps saving the day. But they keep ignoring him. The character who got the first Star Wars spin-off show and they ignore him.
@@jacobwillard2467 Maybe from a few diehard fans who saw them as kids... but that'll really be pure nostalgia rather than there being any actual qualities about the films worth noting like the prequels having a grand sense of scale and tragedy with in depth world-building, alongside an actual proper story about the rise of dictatorship vs the faux-deep anti-fascist meme of the DT.
I fucking despise that Luke doesn’t use his own lightsaber. It’s like they forgot that Jedi have their own sabers and tried to make Anakin’s lightsaber like it was Excalibur. That’s not how lightsabers fucking work.
I traveled across the USA from west coast to east coast to visit my best friend, so we could watch this movie together on opening night. I was so angry about this movie after seeing it, that walking out of the theater I couldn't say much to my friend. But I remember saying that I will not be watching the next movie. This movie was so bad and so offensive in every way imaginable, that it makes me believe that they were trying to make it bad on purpose. Why would they do that? By now we should be thinking this is what Disney is doing because everything they touch is offensively bad.
People point to the failure of Disney Star Wars to make money as Disney’s failure, but if you listen to the people making Disney Star Wars talk, they don’t mention making films and shows that appeal to people as quality entertainment. They talk about representation and subversion. They reached their goals. They are more interested in flexing the power they have over our culture by controlling perhaps the most powerful modern mythology and, by extension, our minds.
Rian Johnson loves subverting expectations, he’s addicted to it. Knives Out is a good example of how his directing style is supposed to work, but putting him in charge of a Star Wars movie was a really bad idea. Putting him in charge of the second movie in a trilogy was about as bad of a choice as could be made. Almost everything bad in the movie was included specifically to shock and surprise people. I personally dislike this kind of storytelling but it can work. It’s poisonous to long form storytelling though, and it tends to alienate existing fans of an IP. JJ Abrams doesn’t have a single original bone in his body, so there was no real hope of a third movie that could stick the landing. Honestly, neither were a good choice for Star Wars.
Yes but keep in mind, back in 2017 it was an absolute shock to see them sabotage themselves this hard. Its been nothing but par for the course ever since.
@@necroplastful The self-sabotage started with Lucas at least as far back as the "special" editions. What a mess those are! But it kicked into high hear with Force Awakens, which was no less offensively bad than Last Jedi.
10:25 What was done to Mark Hamil, and how he was distressed, perfectly represents how the characters were treated in this movie. A voice of reason would speak up, but be drowned out with applause for being "brave, progressive, and defying expectations." Breaks my heart to see this clip, even after all these years.
As the years have gone by, I've lost sympathy for Hamill. He could have absolutely stood his ground and he told Johnson no to all his bad ideas; what was Disney going to do? Fire Mark Hamill and recast someone else as Luke? He had all the leverage but didn't use it. Plus Hamill wanted his own granddaughter aborted, which is such an antithesis to Luke Skywalker's character.
@@johnleonard9102 I don't really care about abortion. He did speak up, he made his issues known. Was he silenced, yeah. Could he probably go against Disney and fight harder, sure; thats also easier said than done. I have my own issues with things Hamil has said over the years, but he is still an icon, and still painful to watch him be broken over a character he loved as much as the fans did.
Yeah Hamill’s Luke turning into a bitter hermit really messed with what could have been a more serious respect for Luke’s abilities and generally happy demeanor for the originals.
@@fettbub92 It really is pretty easy. I doubt Hamill needs the money - at least he shouldn't. He could just refuse to play the part, and they would probably have written Luke out of the story. I don't know if people would have been happier that way, but there you go.
As an Irishman I must apologise for my country giving Disney permission to use the Irish island of Sceilg Mhíchíl as the filming location of Luke's island. They desecrated that place.
No place blessed by the Tuatha Dé Danann could ever be desecrated by these dimwits. At least many people the world over got to see the beauty of Skellig Michael for the first time even though in a shite movie like this; I for one intend to visit this place one day soon to support Irish tourism.
If Rian really wanted to subvert expectations, he should have had Rey join Kylo. Then in the next movie Finn could have filled the Luke role, Rey for Vader and Kylo for Palpatine
Honestly, YES. This. While I appreciate Rey sticking true to her conscience, her going from passionately fighting for the Resistance to ruling the very Order they were fighting so hard against with Leia's prodigal son is just such a cool twist and would've left so much anticipation for the following film similar to Vader's revelation at the end of ESB.
I’ll never forget the 5 stages of grief I went through in the literal seconds it took for Luke Skywalker to throw his lightsaber over his shoulder and drink a space cows milk afterwards like it was a bad comedy….
About Poe and Holdo's sexual tension... there was a romance subplot between them in the first draft of the script. It's why she's commanding a fleet on the front lines of a goddamn war in a fucking COCKTAIL dress. The costume designer spoke about it in an interview. When originally sketching out plans for the VICE ADMIRAL's wardrobe, he came up with designs similar to what Leia was wearing in TFA: still feminine but with a distinctly military look. Because, you know, VICE ADMIRAL IN A GODDAMN WAR. RJ rejected all those drafts out of hand, saying something like "we need to see her silhouette, we need to see the shape of her body and how her body moves." This was due to the romance subplot he had originally scribbled in for the script. And while that subplot got axed, we clearly see the legacy of it. I'm not sure if the film was partially shot before the rewrite and they just kept the original takes where the actors were instructed to hate-flirt with one another... or RJ just half-assed the rewrite and left all the subtext of simmering sexual tension in the script. Either way... yeah. I felt I was going crazy after TLJ came out because NO ONE was talking about the really weird, over the top, sexual tension sparking between Poe and Holdo. That "I know flyboys" speech was delivered with all the energy of Holdo taking out the ghost of boyfriends past on Poe. She has a type and lowkey hates herself for it because she knows the toxic boys she's attracted to all burn her in the end... so she's taking that cocktail of self-resentment and attraction out on the new boy she's drawn to like a moth to a flame. All while Poe is bewildered at the intensity of all these mixed singles he's getting from one of his heroes (remember he was crushing on her from the very mention of her name.) WHY IS THIS IN THE SCRIPT IT'S SO DAMNED DISTRACTING!? And not in a good way, it's just... bizarre like I'm starring deep into the fucked up psyche of RJ that he'd even think to work this into the script in the first place. And he also bemoaned how much of the script had to be trimmed down due to time constraints... so did the Poe/Holdo romance get nixed just to slim down the movie's bloated runtime or did he have a minor moment of clarity and realize how horrible an idea it was? Whatever, imma stop rambling now.
There was lots of weird stuff with Holdo. Like, why does she look so pleased with herself and smug anytime she tells Poe to shut up and follow orders (you know, like a rebel)? How was her plan really smart or supposed to save the resistance? Is it just me, or is her neck freakishly long? Is she a human who dyed her hair purple for some reason, or is she a humanoid alien with naturally purple hair? If she's such a great leader, why is she such a bad leader? These were questions I kept asking myself.
@@psycholuigiman Ooooooh yeah. It is baffling just how much is WRONG with that movie, that so much tends to fly under the radar and we'd need days to hash out every little thing. Her "plan" was foiled simply by someone in the First Order... looking out a goddamn window. That was it. As if TFO wouldn't be checking to see if any rats would flee the sinking ship sailing past a lovely little island. There was no need for DJ "Don't Join" McShady to rat out the Resistance when their plan was that fucking braindead.... And the absolute worst part about all of this? You know one easy change that fixes that entire fucking trainwreck of a subplot? Nix this hyperspace tracking McGuffin nonsense and instead have a spy on board. That alone solves so many problems, like completely removes the fucking casino planet and the dumb suicide mission onto the flagship to disable the tracking bullshit. This gives Holdo a reason to keep mum about her plan as a legitimate concern about Operation Security. She can even detain Finn under suspicion of being the spy to give Poe a reason to start shit... which could even be part of her plan as she knew Finn was innocent, but wanted the spy to lower their guard and slip up while most of the ship's attention was on the Finn/Poe/Holdo kerfuckle. Then throw in a wrinkle about how Poe's demand to release Finn gets co-opted by the real spy into a full blown mutiny. So Poe still has his mutiny, Holdo catches her spy in the chaos, and there can be a real argument to be made over who was more wrong/less right here as Holdo still threw an innocent man under the bus while Poe nearly ruined everything to save that innocent. But no, bullshit about capitalism bad on casino planet and purple hair lady screeching MEN BAD! Totally makes for a better movie.
@@duncanlutz3698 Holy crap. It's kinda crazy how just imposing a simple restriction like The First Order can't easily track hyperspace travel" could have led to a more interesting story. The cherry on top being that it's a restriction that has always been there, but it just got removed for convenience I guess. Kinda enlightening when I think about it. Like, it's easy to fall into the trap of believing that, as a writer, you can jut make up whatever rules you want in your work of fiction. In truth though, imposing restrictions and rules on the fictional world forces you to come up with something a bit more clever that can lead to something pretty interesting in the long run. Guess that's another example of that old saying "art from adversity", even when the adversity is self-imposed.
Ironic that there was a romance subplot between these two characters, yet in the final cut several female perspectives used the Poe/Holdo relationship as a thesis that RJ *primarily* wrote TLJ as a feminist manifesto about standing up to the patriarchy.
@@cusideabelincoln How... how is Holdo standing up to the Patriarchy when the two most powerful people on that ship were herself and Leia? Poe was even demoted by a woman at the start of the movie. He's not the Patriarchy when he's being controlled by women, and he definitely wasn't the established power when Holdo was the one unquestionably calling all the shots and dressing him down. FFS, there would be no need for a mutiny if Poe was in enough control to be considered a patriarchy.... My brain hurts. That level of stupid broke my brain this morning. If anything, TLJ shows us a Matriarchy run by Aunt Flo. Huzzah for Feminism!
the straw that broke my camel's back is when we see Rose literally u-turn when asked so Finn can sacrifice himself, and this sack of potato is able to catch up with him and ram his ship off the other direction. truely mind blowing rian johnson shlop.
If Finn had been allowed to sacrifice himself there would have at least been one thread of heroism. He'd be one of the great characters of Star Wars lore, but they won't let him be a hero in any way shape or form.
@@robertdouth8979even better, have him survive but get captured. They could also make him force sensitive so they have to fight and redeem sith finn next movie.
@@MrJohnlennon007 it's literally badly programmed video game logic. where if you combine going forward with strafing you can glitch a badly programmed (or amateurishly programmed) game into adding both movement speeds together.
My god I hate that scene....the whole movie too, but esp that scene. First, WTF was the point of those speeders? Did you notice that throughout that entire sequence not a single shot was fired from any of the speeders? Do they even have weapons on them? Then finn is about to crash into the big gun to disable it and rose rams him...that could have, and SHOULD have killed them both then the gun blows up the door and kills the resistance.
It reminded me of the movie ‘Wild Things’ from the late 90’s. The whole movie was one subverting of expectations every 20 minutes. They even had show in the closing credits ‘additional scenes’ of the characters motives that subverted every expectation from the previous 2 hours. It was so ridiculous, and that’s exactly what ‘The Last Jedi’ did.
The “twists” are all just cop-outs really. Ultimately the movie recycles the best bits from both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. It’s completely unoriginal and has zero cool revelations or powerful emotional moments like those films did. The “subverted expectations” is just a way for Johnson to pretend to be a genius while having no actual ideas.
@@AbsentMinded619to play devil's advocate for Rj... Since there was no master plan, all he was left to work with were the purposely unanswered Jj Abrams mystery boxes ("what's in the box!?") It's possible that RJ decided, not entirely incorrectly, that mystery boxes were a stupid bad way to tell a story, and because they never planned anything out in advance, he was left with the burden of trying to fill them in, knowing that no matter what answer he gave, it was never going to be satisfactory enough compared to the sheer volume of fan fiction speculation that was already out there in the time after ep7. So in an act of subversion, he purposely gave the most unsatisfactory answers for every mystery box question, out of spite and an interest only in shoving the movie out asap so he could be given his own movie trilogy to work with, instead of playing janitor/repairman for Jjs mystery boxes and memberberries. He was tasked with a job that was going to be unpleasant and disappointing, no matter what happened, because Mickey and Kk didn't bother with planning in advance, and didnt want to use Lucas's treatment, because they wanted all the money and credits to themselves. So he maliciously complied and purposely subverted everyone's expectations for answers by giving the worst possible answers, which mostly boiled down to "it doesn't matter", "mystery boxes are stupid", and "how you like them apples?". Everything afterwards is just cope, malding, marketing wonk and hokum, dressed up as pretentious "brilliance". He didn't care about the source material, he hated being the middle guy, he wanted to get it done and get paid so he could go on to do something entirely on his own, and he wanted to get out of being called out for it, so justified it all as big brain high iq "subversion of expectations" to hide from criticism.
The Finn and Rose side-plot was especially brain-dead. Did absolutely nothing to advance the plot and made no sense as they were able to leave the ship as it was being pursued, go questing, and then return to the ship which is still at max speed being pursued. It was just special. Sad that the actress who played Rose got flak because Laurence Olivier couldn't have done justice to that nonsense.
What do you mean? It was the noblest of quests that resulted in the biggest virtue signal the galaxy would ever know: freeing those poor space horse cats so that punishment could be administered to the SLAVE CHILDREN left behind.
I felt so bad for her when she had that line that was something like “I wanna put my fist through this beautiful town” and I was like oh boy, even Clint Eastwood couldn’t make that line sound cool.
For the life of me I can't remember this movie, but I'll never forget the looks Mark Hamil made in interviews every time he tried to explain himself. You can tell he loved, LOVED Luke Skywalker the way your or I might love a family member. Luke is part of Mark, and instead of playing Luke, he is forced to play Jake. And seeing his pain, that is damn distressing.
A part of me thinks it broke him, I mean ever since then he's become a jaded shell of his former self, much like Jake, when before he used to seemingly project the same bastion of hope that Luke embodied. It's sad to see how he's spiraled.
It’s possible that he’s always been shallow and a bit dim. Check out his work on the White Guys for Kamala train wreck. He’s an actor. He’s right about Luke tho.
Forget the plot, the character assassination, the inconsistencies, the trashing of legacy... the single biggest crime, and demonstration for how blisteringly incompetent and utter disregard the sequel makers had is this: They reunited Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill and NOT ONCE... NOT A SINGLE POINT IN THE FILM.. was there a hero shot with all three of them. They were NEVER on screen at the same time. It is mind boggling how this was allowed to happen. And now it will never happen again.
Yeah this hurts more than anything not having the three of them together it makes completely utterly no sense whatsoever. You can argue in a way that the trio of Luke, Leia and Han are like the "face" of Star Wars to some people. They are iconic. They aren't just the three characters of a defining era of Star Wars they were Star Wars. Can you imagine if MCU had like a 20, 30 year break agreed to bring back all the OG avengers somehow but they all died without the audience ever getting to see them together as team again? Thats kind of the only thing I can equate this too culturally if that makes sense?!
@@Gravitynaut That's... not what they said? I know Legends material is somewhat overrated, but look at pretty much any Legends stories related to the New Republic. Those stories are proof that these characters could've come back in an older state without just rehashing the movies
I stormed out of "TFA"! I was angry that I had avoided every piece of promotional material and had just watched a soft reboot that trashed everything from the end of "RotJ". I told the friend I went with that I wasn't going to anymore of these movies. Then he showed up at my house with tickets for "TLJ". He had to beg me to go before I finally caved in. I was disappointed from the jump when I found out that the whole movie was the OJ chase with spaceships, and they kept talking about fuel! Since when has 'Star Wars" ever been concerned about fuel?! I was completely bored... until Finn started his "self deletion" run! At that moment I was on the edge of my seat! I was all for Finn until he started killing his fellow Stormtroopers. (I mean, I thought he cared about them, but he apparently only cared about 1 of them.) I thought that he was about to redeem his cowardice and go out saving the "Resistance". Then Rose comes out of nowhere and smashes into him, and then kisses him as the base is blown wide open! I just sat there. Stunned at just how stupid this moment was. Don't even get me started on that Hyperspace ram bullplop!
I remember watching the force Awakens and everyone its so good, I was like its ok "I had a feeling", I didn't hate it. But the last jedi I just laughed, I went twice cause it was so funny how bad it was.
@@129das For me, it was a slow build. When we ended up on a desert planet (that somehow isn't Tattooine) with a droid holding something important for the Resistance, I was a little annoyed; when Rey understood BB-8's beeps I rolled my eyes; when I saw Starkiller Base was another Death Star, I began to get peeved; when they killed Han in the dumbest way possible, I got angry; and when that lightsaber went past Kylo Ren, and flew into Rey's hand *and* she beat him, I was confused as to why they would neuter their villain like ths; and I finally flew off the handle when Luke showed up, and it immediately cut to credits without a word from him. Oh, I hate that movie! I was the first out of the theater, pacing back and forth in my Sith robe, going off about what a mess it was! Imagine my shock when I went to RUclips, thinking how the prequel haters would be hating on this so hard, but the majority of them liked it! This has never made sense to me. For years they crapped on an Independent filmmaker who created one of the most successful franchises ever, and yet, they gave a big corporation a pass for their poorly planned, crap of a trilogy that absolutely destroyed characters from the OT.
Yep after seeing force awakens I was done with Disney star wars. But someone bought me tickets for last jedi and wanted me to come so I went, and was disappointed.
Fuel is brought up a lot in the cartoon series. But the plot was usually captured or destroyed the fueling stations that are important supply routes for separatists fleets or empire fleets (depending in series)
Man seeing Mark Hamill just talk and then pass his hand on his face and look down dejected and defeated hit me hard. He did not deserve for this to be his swan song in the star wars franchise
I somewhat disagree; it is arguable cosmic justice that Hamill is getting his character screwed over because he is too old, white, and male for Disney now. This is the world Hamill chose. Now off to the nursing-home with him, the diverseyest home preferably.
@@zimriel That’s so dumb. Any legacy characters who signed on to this trilogy were under the impression they would get a proper send off (aside from Harrison ford who got what he wanted), but Mark expressed his disappointment.
The audience applauding when they hear that the movie's director basically said "Fuck the fans" is a peak fandom moment. Just that "We will take whatever shit we're given and put it on a pedestal, despite it being a massive turd" mentality that shows up because people are taught critical thinking or media literacy.
It seems that Hollywood mastered their art of pissing off its own loyal fans. Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings - the years go by, but millions of people still can't comprehend how Hollywood could ruin everyone's favorite franchises like that
It's an abusive relationship - you get ended up hurt time and time again, but if you leave where will you go? You don't know what's out there, could be even worse than what you have now; might as well stay where it's familiar.
@@Rinesmyththis is exactly it. I'd say their intention is to ruin the movies, which is not untrue, but the real goal is to "break" the audience into letting go of what Star Wars is so they will accept what Disney wanted to make it. Guess they didn't see the pushback coming because they are as out of touch with the fan base as they are the series
@RogerTheil That's the key difference between artists and activists, artists see the world as it is and humble themselves to it's wonders, where "activists" only see the world how they want it to be and pride themselves in their vision.
It's because they are owned by a group of people that want to destroy what they think and *know* (asterisk) what those incredible universes represent to their fan bases. A threat to their proverbial monopoly on western fantasy settings. A pin in the tapestry that they want to replace with their own banner. Centralized power always demands total control.
That’s a very good point that the worst part about TLJ was the intentional audience trolling. It’s the basic message that they knew what their legacy audience really wanted, but they chose to intentionally offend them, because they actually wanted a different audience. I think TLJ is so special in retrospect, because it set up the audience on this malignant path, where every new StarWars thing was received extremely critically. It’s like a relationship where your partner cheated on you once and even if you continue the relationship you never trust ever again. There is now an aspect of hate in the relationship that can never be fixed.
@@luna-hw9li it was similar for me, I was super hyped for TFA and even overlooked numerous faults of the movie thinking the sequel would address them, but after TLJ it became clear what was really happening.
6.5 years since TLJ opened and 8.5 years since TFA, we're still waiting on that "the fandom will come around to them" to start to kick in. Assuming that "they weren't for you.... young people loved the sequels", they must be old enough to start talking about it on social media now, right?
To booster you point, the subreddit SequelMemes has flatlined since 2022 reaching around 470k. If the kids did have the same love as the prequel kids then we should see an increase.
You know why the fandom came around with the prequels? Lucas wasn't an idiot and let a ton of people make video games (some with really small teams and a really small company, but you cant have that anymore thanks EA and Disney), let people write side stories in the series without them feeling heavy handed or over the top, and let the community foster creativity around what was shown. Plus, even if the prequels were boring or badly written, at least it felt consistently star wars in a lot of key areas.
My kids were little. They just thought they were fun space battle movies and didn’t expect much. They don’t remember anything else about the movies and wouldn’t be talking about them any more than any other popcorn flick.
I do 501st charity work, and I will say I interact with plenty of kids who like the sequels. They'll talk about their favorite character, or movie, or battle, etc. I will say though the Mandoverse tends to be more popular, more kids bring then up than those that are sequel tots.
Especially since there are literally lightsaber proof metals that could make a cross guard instead of putting a dumb saber on the hilt that would be way more dangerous to the user than anything else
That is a VERY good point: Collaborating with the story tellers before and after you, it is NOT _your_ story to "subvert". It is now very much OUR story to uphold.
The circus theme song is the perfect musical score to backdrop the sequels. What a clown show. They had a golden goose in the palm of their hands, and instead of laying a thousand priceless eggs for the next twenty years, they hanged, drew, and quartered it while pointing fingers at the fans like WE were the ones that were wrong. Make it make sense.
Speaking of music....am I the only one who found the soundtrack to these three films completely insipid? I didn't find a theme that stuck in my head, a track that I wanted to recover: I tried to listen to Kylo and Rey's themes outside of the films (a bit like you can do for Duel of fates, Across the stars, Battle of heroes, the star wars main theme, The empire fleet, The Dark Side Beckons, to name 6 themes for each film), but they told me absolutely nothing.
@@Toshiro93 no you defo aren't alone theres "some" themes that I like from the sequels, theres some okay stuff in Episode 7 and 8. But it does kinda feel like John Williams gave up too. I don't blame him everyone else did. I love John but man I don't remember a single single, theme from Episode 9. Sad considering how utterly iconic Music from 1 to 6 is.
This will be controversial to some though from my perspective it’s just reality but this is because capitalism is largely concerned with the short term in instances like this where you have a huge conglomerate with corporate suit types with no understanding of the property seeing a golden goose. They got their hands on Star Wars and they saw money now. It’s Star Wars! The name alone prints money! We can churn out flicks with such visionaries as JJ Abrams and its gold Jerry! Say what you want about Lucas but he cared about the property and wanted to put out quality content. And the prequels have great world building. The sequels are soulless cash grabs by people with no understanding of what made SW great. So is most Disney SW dreck. Art suffers when commerce becomes the only consideration. Marvej worked so well for so long because you had a head of the studio who understood that if you take the time to have a plan and passionate people who want to tell good stories and have an understanding of what makes the property great you set yourself up for far more riches than the quick cash grab. But I’m sure in the politics that goes on behind the scenes with shareholders you have those that say I don’t cere about 10-15 years from now. I might be dead! I want as much cash now as I can get. So JJ and no plan it is.
They murdered Luke's character to give Rey the spotlight that was meant for him. Luke was supposed to be the redeemer and everyone has begged to see Luke in his prime but directors and writers forcefully pushed for a female protagonist with all of his characteristics and them some but without the development to earn them as such. It was supposed to be Luke all along. Dont even get me started with Finn. Rey is just your [insert your op OC here] and wasnt allowed to have vulnerabilities or any weaknesses that would've made her stand out. A perfect cookie cutter protagonist isnt engaging but instead boring with the excuses of inhereting power rather than learning.
They wanted to essentially recycle Star Wars long term for a younger, “new” audience, and they calculated that the best way to do that was to just retell same story with younger stars. But to do that they completely butchered the legacy of the original characters, and failed to see that the original trilogy is the only reason anyone cares about Star Wars in the first place. So their plan was a flop. To this day, when advertisers pay to put Star Wars on a product, they want Yoda, Darth Vader or Han Solo because that’s what people like.
It's amazing that Disney spent 4 billion dollars on a franchise and then made films with no plan and abandoned the existing characters and universe to use their own fanfiction. No wonder their stock price got cut in half like darth maul.
10:08 I'll never stopped being amazed by this clip of Hamill trying to make a point, only to be interrupted by all the simpIetons starting to clap. The pain on his face, man.
Last Jedi is the Spaceballs parody movie, of the movie Spaceballs. (If you did not watch Spaceballs, go see it now, you will thank me for life) My favorite part, is when they "come" the desert. 🤣🤣
I think it was very wise to point out, the TLJ trailer already gave away that we were getting a jaded Luke. Yet there was still a lot of optimism before the premiere because, surprise surprise, the fanbase actually did have an open mind, heard that final line from the trailer and thought "okay, show me how we got there". What so many fans didn't like was the execution, not the premise itself. To insist "fans just couldn't stand Luke not being a flawless hero" is mega disingenuous.
Everyone seemed to think that Rey being Luke’s daughter was too obvious, but what they did instead was WAYYY dumber. Luke needed a really devastating reason to have a change of personality like that. Suppose he married, he and his wife started training a group of students, and his love for Han’s son kept him from seeing that Kylo was full of evil. Kylo kills Luke’s wife and a bunch of other people, Kylo takes over Luke’s students (creating a team of evil Jedi as the antagonists, something actually new,) and Luke realizes that his own idealism killed his wife. He hides Rey where she’ll never be found because he sees that she’s powerful and he doesn’t want any of this life for her, and then he hides himself away because he believes that he will only bring death to his family and friends. Then he and Rey can have an emotional moment where he confesses all of this to her.
3:30 The fact that the man who wrote this sentence didn't have a smallest clue of its sheer absurdity should've been enough on it's own to ban Rian Johnson from writing _Star Wars_ for the rest of his life.
This entire trilogy reminded me how I absolutely despise authors or filmmakers who try so hard to look smart by subverting expectations in a way that's just infuriating. It's not pleasant, it's not smart, it's just cock blocking anyone who's excited for something in the movie by pulling the rug from under them and then laughing at them because they fell for it. It feels like I'm in the wrong for being excited about something cool and that the camera then suddenly points at me to show how dumb I am for falling for it. The universe they work on or adapt is nothing more for them than a way to show off how smart they think they are by subverting it. It's so damn narcissistic and infuriating. I just can't fathom the idea that you get to work on one of the most beloved franchise ever and your first thought is that you're better and you'll do something great by shitting on the previous material done before. This entire trilogy is an ego contest of filmmakers who wanted to look smart but forgot to make a good movie in the first place.
As for Luke's character arc, its one thing to try something new or risky. Its another thing to try something, fail, and then blame the people who pointed out you failed.
The worst part about this is that no one who antagonized the fanbase suffered any consequences for their actions, so now the general public has this perception that it's perfectly okay to bully _Star Wars_ fans.
I love your point of RJ knowing the movie we wanted and making its opposite. Never thought of it that way. The reluctant teacher is an archetype and seems to be a quality of the Jedi. But RJ just ruined it with his subversion - something that wasn't necessary.
The only reason Luke should exile himself is if he believes, with at least some good reason, that sticking around would hurt Leia and others. They really did not convey that. They wanted Luke to be selfish and pathetic because they actually thought this would make people like Rey more.
They said we'd look back at this fondly. They said it'd be the same thing that happened to the prequels where we learn to love them with age. They said we would want this to be star wars future. And look where we are now....
To be fair, the current Prequel appreciation didn't really start until early to mid 2017, which was 18 years after The Phantom Menace. With that in mind, the Sequels probably wouldn't recieve this type of appreciation until some time in the early 2030's. 2024 is only 9 years after The Force Awakens. 9 years after The Phantom Menace was 2008 which was when the Prequel hate really started to peak
Prequel appreciation happened because 1. Clone wars and 2. The sequels were so shit that everyone went nostalgic. Something more atrocious would need to come out so ppl start liking the sequels.
@@HMMadsen See,that is the problem. Currnet Prequall appreciation started,because of TLJ. Not because nostalgia kicks in. Before TLJ,prequalls were already liked because of Clonewars. TLJ just got all the hate instead.
@@Vilgax00 The current Prequel appreciation definitely did not start because of TLJ (it may have pushed it further, but it didn't start it). TLJ released at the very, very end of 2017, whereas I stated that the current Prequel appreciation seems to have really begun in early or mid 2017. And the more I think about it, the more likely it was in early 2017, because I remember how it was a topic among Star Wars fans during Star Wars Celebration 2017 (which happened in April) due to the positive response to Hayden Christensen attending for the first time since 2002 and the positive reception to Battlefront II 2017 incorporating Prequel elements
Letting Rian Johnson have his way with Star Wars is like letting Marie Antoinette rewrite the US Constitution, with no experience in the struggle to establish a republic.
"No We dont have to think about the fans, We have to think about the story" 10:28 jesus, Mark Hamill's face is of absolute defeat and sadness. I wish the original 3 stars had refused to do these movies 😢
20 years ago i created this adage: "Every fool is right, completely on accident ( stopped clock, etc ), once in a while. To be wrong *EVERY TIME*, you have to be really damn good."
The good guys and the bad guys are the same thing! There is no good or evil!! So anyways, [returns to space battles and never brings any of that up again]
Your analogies are some of the most concise yet effortless I’ve ever heard. “Guys running for two hours” and “formal gown to McDonald’s” were so perfect
I legit thought it was an ad before the movie, like Luke tosses the lightsaber and now he's holding a Pepsi. Or something. Y'know how they do those big budget ads on TV to promote something, I thought it was one of those. Then the movie kept playing, and the reality set in that Star Wars was forever changed. In the worst possible way.
The idea that Johnson knew how to make a good film/story and consciously did the opposite is such a great take, and makes me revile this film even more. Also I love that your critique omits a certain subplot and is none the worse for it. You couldn't have said anything more damning than that.
What bothers me the most about this movie is how it actually killed my interest in Star Wars. I wasn't mad when the credits rolled, part of me was desperately trying to convince myself that I still had a good time, my brain was essentially just playing the trailers' movie for me while obscuring the context, so I could think it was actually decent. Nothing could fully hide just how empty I felt afterward, though. The more time went, the more I thought about it, and the more I realized how bad it was. The sequels were announced as a trilogy, and now after the second movie, pretty much everything had concluded with the satisfaction of stale bread. Every interesting concept, every idea with potential, even the smallest crumb of a storyline was snuffed out unceremoniously. Rian doesn't get to shoulder all the blame, that is true, but he does get to shoulder a lot of it. Yes, he was left with all the mystery boxes, but he was a part of things before the first sequel movie was finished. JJ had his part to play as well, he just had the luck of being the one to get the ball rolling, meanwhile Rian managed to just make every mistake JJ made into something worse. Ultimately, this is all down to Kathleen Kennedy and whoever was above her at Disney to let everything go this far. Shit is supposed to roll uphill, and all that.
Damn I feel you! My depression for this movie started the moment the "yo mama" joke dropped ahah! But the big big moment was when Snoke died and then Phasma (lol remember her?) died and then Kylo chokes out Hux I was like is he gonna die too? Are you just going to kill every villian? Why should I care anymore? I remember like in the final scenes of the film thinking "I have no idea what will happen in the next one" but like not in a good way yunno?
This analysis is spot on. Nutsa is like the movie whisperer or Thrawn where she can analyze the art work or film to create a psychological profile of the creator. TLJ’s subverted expectations hindered its long-term appeal. In contrast, ESB also subverted expectations, but its twists coupled with strong storytelling and emotional depth, enriched the narrative and character arcs, ensuring its enduring legacy.
@@swordoftruth1175 Headland's motives are clear, but it's Nutsa's ability to articulate and analyze Johnson’s motives in the context of their impact on the audience and the film's legacy that really sets her apart. I haven’t heard anyone else do such a deep and thorough analysis as her. If there’s another person out there that’s done a better job please let me know because my guilty pleasure is listening to people bash those responsible for this train wreck with sound logic and deep analysis 🧠
"Her regressing as a character is almost as inachievable as dividing zero and getting anything but zero, but here we are." You completely subverted my expectations since I was told there would be no math.
I think you're right about the tonal and thematic incoherence! I've long thought that the fundamental problem with TLJ is that it tries to be three movies at once: (a) a movie for grown-ups about people struggling with overwhelming experiences of loss, failure, or abandonment, (b) a fun action-adventure movie for children, and (c) a metacommentary about Star Wars. Rian Johnson probably aspired to make (a), was required by Disney to make (b), but really just wanted to make (c).
Rian Johnson is sincerely convinced that if instead of an ordered food he served a pile of shit on the plate, the one who made the order would find it both hilarious and thought-provoking.
23:07 This is where I point to Rian's body of work and make note of the recurring theme of things that other people have created getting destroyed, on purpose. From legacies to the Mona Lisa. The Last Jedi is Rian Johnson willfully destroying the setting and mythos of Star Wars. He is, technically, a good writer. But he's morally and ethical a malicious, spiteful narcissistic nihilist who likes destroying mastepieces others have created and laughing. J.J. probably intended to just wholesale mimic the arc of the original teilogy, just like how much of his other works are derivatives in their own right. This is why the duo wound up a hyper destructive 1-2 Punch. Wian alone probably would have taken a bat to Star Wars but it could have been salvaged. J.J. wanted all the pieces back together to tell his little "and then they did it all again." The Stars aligning for J.J. to put everyone in the same place and Rian to detonate a bomb with everyone in there. This is why the Last Jedi is so hated, on an unspoken subconscious level. We hoped deep down that we could have had somethkng poor and sloppy but nice as a gesture. And instead what should have been a reunion and torch pass pass became a Columbine for the most treasured film series of all time.
The worst thing about this movie is just that it was so boring. A long space chase scene with the most annoying, uninteresting characters, along with a subplot of a boring casino planet with a lazy capitalist message, and Luke being a nothing character but a mouthpiece for the directors thoughts, and we didn’t learn anything about the conflict and why all this is happening. It’s just a mess. And those defenders need to accept the fact that this movie isn’t original, and just an arrogant rip off of Jedi and empire without the character development and engaging narrative.
When I came out the cinema after watching TFA, I felt deflated and confused, but managed to just stay on the verge of disappointed. When my friends asked me what I thought of it, I answered, with the knowledge that of all the loose threads it left, "It will depend on the next one!" Only for the next one to be the antithesis of a Star Wars movie!
I felt the same mostly about Ray's character. As an Anime watcher I know the overpowered character arctype, But even they train usually. If being a jedi or sith requires training what is this character, the only thing I can think of at the time was they are somekind of sleeper agent, Or how wrong I was.
I was on same boat has you, really came out liking the movie up until Rey and Finn get on the Falcon then the movie dived bomb from there. I said to myself I hope the 2nd one will try to answer some of the set up in TFA only to get hit by TLJ.
I really like your take. I also find it amazing that even after all this time we still somehow get new insight in how bad these films f**ked up. Have a sub. And a wonderful day!
I'm honestly surprised I've never heard anyone articulate the whole 'this isn't a you movie, this is an established franchise with expectations' so succinctly. In the retrospect of Johnson's clear style and success as a standalone film maker, it couldn't be more obvious that he was the wrong choice for exactly that reason. Like asking David Fincher to write a Fast and the Furious entry. Bravo for cutting through the issue so poignantly.
so many creative people who actually cared were involved they just weren't anywhere near the script. it's not a star wars problem entirely. it's the modern movie process that tanks things
Nutsa long a go I thought I' wouldn't find a new RUclipsr that I'd be waiting to post new video so much. The Star Wars criticism content is constantly flooding YT, but I'm happy I stumbled upon yours.
I've been so looking forward to this review. The main thing I remember about The Last Jedi is coming home with a massive headache, and realising that the film had completely deaded any hook or investment left in the story. The Rebels were near finished to the point I no longer saw the point, Snoke had turned out to have gone nowhere, and with him dead there was now barely an explanation for how the Empire regrew beyond it all apparently being down to rich, shady arms dealers. But more importantly it was transparently clear the makers didn't care about the craft of storytelling and saw it all as something to be flippant and throwaway about. The saddest thing was realising that I'll probably never be able to get excited for a Star Wars movie again. At first I could go with the idea of a disillusioned Luke who saw the Jedi religion as just too much of a dangerous gateway drug to the Sith, and thought the religion was better off buried. I could even admire the final last stand and death scene he got. But I really couldn't take to the loathsome tone of the dynamic between him and Rey. And also it just felt like he'd accrued no real wisdom at all. I feel like maybe the film started strong and could've worked if they'd just scrapped everything after Leia gets blown out into space, let that be her death scene and do a completely different story from there. I really feel like Poe vs Holdo was only there to be an unsubtle commentary on Trump vs Hillary, with Poe representing the voting public which the film then chastises for making the wrong choice. Which just makes the film feel more than a bit cultish. I'd put the stronger vociferous reaction down to the thin line between love & hate. Most bad films are standalones that don't ruin something an audience once loved, but The Last Jedi does. I think you have nailed it though that it was Rian ending up deliberately producing the 'gotcha' antithesis of the film we wanted. That I could've lived with a few subverted expectations and different approaches just to make the film not so predictable, but it's like no-one told Rian where to stop and so he just goes out of control with it to the point of utter nihilism. I think maybe that's why I would've perhaps kept the scene where Kylo Ren fights ghost Luke, because that is at least a cool gotcha on the bad guy that feels satisfying, but all the rest of the gotchas are all on us, the viewer, or the heroes. There's no distinction to how and when the gotchas are applied, so it just becomes obnoxious. Does Rian deserve all the blame? Certainly his baiting tweets at the fanbase make it difficult to feel charitable to him. I held out some vague hope The Force Awakens' loose ends could be forgiven or go somewhere interesting if the films after at least pretended to care about them. TLJ so blatantly and proudly doesn't that it breaks the spell. Maybe it was always a bad approach that wouldn't hold up, but TLJ just feels obvoxious and gleeful about the pointlessness of it. I think in the end, I only succumbed to go see The Rise of Skywalker out of curiosity to see what possible salvage job they could do after, and just to see the trilogy to some kind of end. But once I did, I was done. It was the final goodbye letter.
I saw people saying "with time the sequels will become better like the prequels" were almost 10 years since the release of force awakens and its just as bad as i remember. Same goes for the other 2.
The Last Jedi Drinking Game! The rules are simple, take a shot of alcohol every time: 1) Someone comes in or out of a coma 2) A plot point is stolen from Spaceballs 3) A weapon appears/disappears from nowhere 4) the bad guys stop shooting at the good guys because the good guys are in danger of being hit 5) a joke falls flat 6) Someone sacrifices their life to save the group 7 ) every time a character says the word "hope" WARNING: strictly following these rule may result in alcohol poisoning. Please drink responsibly.
With the casino sequence Rian Johnson taught us where he stands on some very controversial issues. It takes a brave filmmaker to come out against war profiteering, animal cruelty and child slavery.
Ignoring that the issues make no sense even in universe. None of the biggest corporations in the lore were involved strictly in making war machines outside of KDY and Sinear Fleet Systems which predictably had massive financial troubles when the Empire fell as they were the biggest customers for those companies. Even the corporations that formed the CIS got as big as they did from their essential services such as shipping (The Trade Federation) mining (the Commerce Guild) and banking (The InterGalactic Banking Clan) and the smart ones played both sides because they knew a prolonged was bad for business compared to a negotiated peace where they could get more favorable trade deals from the Republic. The animal cruelty fundamentally ignores that race animals don’t get abused because that is a sure fire way to lose the race. And why would they use children as slaves there instead of droids. Tattooine has the excuse of being a backwater world.
@@AliceUngoliant😆😆 Ohmigod you're right. I guess I'd always assumed that the kids were set free too because it just makes so much sense. That's what I get for expecting "sense" out of this movie.
I have no idea how this ended up on my timeline but ended up clicking on it then ended up captivated through the entire half-hour. Just brilliant. The last few years I've mostly just been trying to quell my disdain for what's happened to Star Wars as now it's inherent by nature but then a video like this comes around and reminds me I'm not wrong to be frustrated by things like turning Luke Skywalker into Morrissey. 💯
Holy shit, this is the first video Ive ever seen from you and I am blown away. You are spot the fuck on, and your editing is incredible. 11/10 would seethe over Ruin Johnson's failings and what Star Wars couldve been again
Your Honor, if I may. I will give Ryan Johnson one small line of defense: The Attitude of the Public. What do I mean? The general audience saw what VII was: a soft reboot of IV. But, they were generally fine with that. They knew Disney was starting the franchise back up, and that was to be expected from the first film. Which lead to this dark cloud floating around The Last Jedi with just one question: Will they just redo Empire? Same storyline beat for beat. Luke for Yoda. Rae for Luke. Become the Last Jedi. Face Kylo before you're ready. Something happens to Po/Finn. Ambiguous ending. This was the general weight of expectations on Ryan's shoulders. Was he going to take the easy path, or take a chance? And he wanted to make sure the audience knew he wasn't going to be playing it safe and that he was doing his own thing... What was George's quote? “I may have gone too far in a few places”. Yeah, that comes to mind in hind sight
Its like you put into words what I've felt for years now. It's like they knew exactly the kinds of things fans wanted out of this movie and did the opposite out of spite. Subverting EVERY fan expectation doesn't make for a good product, I think.
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@19:11 - I think a particularly egregious mechanical choice is to introduce the Rashomon style flashbacks into Star Wars in part 8 of 9. Yes, we've had Obi wan's 'from a certain point of view' ... yes, we've had Anakin famously misread cloudy visions of the future. But Luke and Kylo having competing subjective experiences of the same objective events is a jarring first for Star Wars on screen. It's almost like a bad POV break in a novel. Star Wars, up until that point, had NEVER had that kind of purposeful questioning of the objective nature of the telling of events ... it's not that kind of IP; it wasn't built for that kind of story telling; Star Wars is not that kind of story.
Subverting expectations also undermines itself, if you are subverting expectations every 5 minutes, it informs the viewer to expect it to happen at every turn, and nothing is more painful than being dragged through a scene knowing it's gonna have yet another one of those silly little twists at the end.
I don't like Green Milk. It's sour, watery, difficult to obtain and makes really bad CHEESE. I lost my father who tried to get some. Anyways, another amazing video. I just finished a marathon of your channel's videos and was glad to be this early. Giving a like to promote this in RUclips's algorithm. One day, Nutsa must make a Star Wars film with her knowledge and understanding of the fanbase.
I have ADHD, and this movie was so boring and nonsensical, I had to watch it in 3x speed (and I still feel robbed of my time). The only good thing about the "Sequels", is that they caused some entertaining videos, like this one; great work, I enjoyed every minute of this review.
Hands down, the best (and only positive) thing about this train wreck of a Disney "Star Wars" fanfic series are all the reviews and analysis videos that countless fans have made over the years, with each reviewer both more amusing and brutal than the last.
Your great point around 25:00, I'd say it's even worse than Rian not delivering for the franchise. The movie is still his movie, and the things he set up himself he didn't even deliver on. It wasn't a failure because of the fandom, it was a failure of his own. Art is really about two things, setting expectations and delivering on those expectations for an audience (which can even be just the artist himself). I think fan reactions where they claim to "deserve" certain outcomes are really mass reactions to this artistic failure. The audience doesn't deserve things because they bought action figures for twenty years, they deserve to have the expectations that the artist himself set up executed fully and effectively. "Subverting expectations" only really works in a few genres, and you know what those genres feature? The expectation that expectations will be subverted!
Melons, lots of melons.... but I've always been more of a watermelon girlie.
(also who noticed the announcement for this video got posted twice....I love youtube)
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Yikes I have a wife and three daughters, I don’t need another period in my life 😂
I like watermelons, but the asian pears are my favorite. Nice video btw. TROS is going to be a big one.
Amazing video. I subbed
After your face reveal I think a lot of your viewership became Eastern Europe passport bros lol
didnt watch the video yet but grapes are better sorry
When I walked out of the theater from TLJ, I heard a 40-something year-old guy say to his wife "I feel like that was made by someone who hates Star Wars, and hates me for liking Star Wars."
I was still in University when the movie came out and a bunch of us students went to watch it. After it was over we left the theater and... There was silence. Noone had anything to say until one guy just said "I do not want to see that movie ever again"
@@Schnee-tr1jg I was 46yo when the movie came out. And for the first time in my life I didn't feel uplifted by a Star Wars film, okay the death of Han in TFA had hit me hard, but this one was so much worse. It made me feel bad about loving Star Wars. And yes, I do not want to see that movie ever again. I refuse to watch it again. I will not ever watch it again.
Agreed. When it was over people left in stunned silence, it was like a funeral. Very nearly walked out of it barely halfway thru.
I cried during the end credits, and when I walked out of the theater with my parents and sister, my dad said “This was the Alien 3 of Star Wars”.
Wow! You nailed it. That’s exactly how I felt.
>Rey
>Grew up on a desert planet
>Knows how to swim
>TROS shows her piloting a boat
Ma-Rey Suuuuee?! -- e;r
you a real one @@zimriel
Or how she can fly ships she shouldn’t. The Falcon is a two-man job for example. Or her one hit polykill in this movie which ignores how blasters normally work.
@@emberfist8347 Somehow, the Falcon gained the triple fighter penetration characteristic on its cannons. Guess Han farmed for a Legendary weapon mod between trilogies.
@@LordVader1094 Funny since he lost it between trilogies.
To this day it’s incredible that they literally took the most famous franchise in movie history, and decided to make a new trilogy without any sort of plan or direction for the movies
When you think you're too big to fail but not really
Took the biggest IP in human history. And destroyed it. Toys, books, games, shows, movies, theme park.
Could have made billions and billions every year. Damn Disney is stupid.
Like the most stupid.
Right? No one was like "hmmm...maybe we should make at least a loose outline of where and how we want this franchise to go. NO. They were just like "let's wing this b!tvh! Lol
@@bethanywallace8575 not sure why that’s being said because there was a rough sketch/loose outline for the trilogy from the start. JJ and others have openly acknowledged that since the sequel trilogy ended.
What happened was that Kathleen Kennedy loved how JJ and Rian blew so much smoke up her ass, that by the time Rian got to direct, he threw out a lot of the rough plans/ideas they had in place to carry thru the 3 movies (a big one being the killing off of snoke in TLJ instead of keeping him as the big bad, bigger than sidious, and not keeping him alive to the 3rd movie) because he repeatedly kissed KK’s ass & convinced her he had better ideas than JJ, which led to Colin treverrow’s version of the 3rd movie being basically rewritten and reworked to the point that he stepped away from the project altogether, forcing JJ to rewrite and course correct & make the horrible Rise of Skywalker.
But again… there was a rough sketch of ideas that the 3 directors agreed to keep for the trilogy with the ability to put a bit of their own spins on some of their own respective movies, but Rian was the one who shit the bed with his ego & he thought he could do what he wanted and he ruined Star Wars for everyone by making such massive, destructive choices that no one could recover from.
it's even worse when you consider that fukin George Lucas made an outline for 7-9 which they fuckin rejected let that sink in for a moment Lucas made an outline for 7-9 which they fuckin rejected
All the cast is dying off. Or doesn’t want to be in Star Wars.
Disney ruined the last chance to get them on screen together.
WHAT A WASTE!
That's the biggest crime of all. They couldn't even be arsed to let these three characters talk to each other onscreen before they all die in real life. Now that Carrie's gone, it's impossible.
Biggest missed opportunity in the history of cinema
@@LordVader1094 yeah, I have to admit that despite the fact that it seems that many of the recent Disney Star Wars projects try to use nostalgia to lure people in, aside from the OG cast there's not much nostalgia towards the prequels compared to the OG trilogy. Compared it to how Marvel managed to do it better with No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine
I miss Carrie.
The cast were great. I guess I'd have been glad to see them play cool versions of their aged characters, but it wasn't essential. I just want the rigorous intent, the authentic fun, and the mythical spirit back. It's not about satisfying the expectations of the fans. Kathleen Kennedy and Disney have no respect for the material.
It was strange that The First Order was just a terrorist group in TFA that was attempting to overthrow the Republic and had most of their forces wiped out when Starkiller base was destroyed. Now they're apparently just in control of the galaxy and it happened overnight. You would think that after the the base was destroyed that the rest of the galaxy would rise up to defeat them (considering they did in TROS), but for some reason they've "lost all their hope". Where the hell are the armies and leadership of Coruscant? World-building is dead. Look at the pretty colors and clap.
I remember when everyone pissed in the prequels for having political storylines in the movies, but at least those storylines served as massive world building pieces and gave us an idea of what was happening.
It’s utterly baffling how quick the ST world spins around.
I only notice that now!
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0War is an extension of politics...movie called star wars...only a child brain would expect no politics
A terrorist group that owns the most powerful weapon to ever exist in the universe, is not "just a terrorist group". Or to put it another way, the First Order is an inane attempt at copying the Empire. They have galactic level ressources, the kind of ressources you can only accumulate through decades of hegemony. Even the separatist in the prelogy could not overpower the Republic.
This is all JJ's fault, honestly. He didn't give a shit about including world building or "politics" in his movie... but it was all there.
In the official novelizations and other tie-in materials that no one bothered reading.
I only know that the First Order is actually the same size as the NR because I was so damned confused after watching TFA, not once but twice, that I went on a Wookiepedia bender desperate to find some god-damned answers.
So basically... several years before TFA, leading up to Emo Ren's stumble into the Emo side of the Farce/Luke's disappearance, TFO attempted a coup on the NR. Basically Palpatine 2.0 where they engineered a problem as an excuse to centralize power under a puppet secretly loyal to TFO with the backing of Imperial Apologists in the Senate. This included partisans being funded by gangsters who were getting money laundered from corrupt senators and blah blah blah... Leia uncovers this plot and a candidate from her party gets elected as Chancellor instead. However, Leia couldn't run herself because a TFO puppet revealed that Leia was secretly Vader's daughter and that forced her out of politics.
So TFO has the "Good" chancellor assassinated while orchestrating a mass seccession of worlds that were ruled by those in the Imperial-Apologist party that wanted the NR to be more like the old Empire... these worlds then immediately pledged loyalty to TFO. Up to this point, TFO was just a rogue group operating out of the Unknown Regions and kept themselves strictly hidden. So they announced themselves to the greater galaxy by effectively stealing half of the NR's worlds in a diplomatic coup (after a failed coup to take ALL the NR and an assassination of the NR's new leader).
And the NR's reaction to the remnants of their old enemy funding partisans as an excuse to stage a secret coup, assassinating the new leader of the NR when their coup failed, taking half of the NR's territory by orchestrating a mass betrayal of a major political party, before launching into a massive militarization campaign complete with kidnapping and brainwashing children into slave soldiers was to...
Immediately sign an NAP with TFO and continue demilitarizing and decentralizing to the point of castration.
I cannot make this shit up. It's like if during JFK's time a Fourth Reich is formed out of Buenos Aires, most Latin American countries then face a similar coup and pledge fealty to their new Fuhrer, rapidly militarize and begin pushing straight up through Mexico.... all while JFK whines about how "WAR IS BAD :S" while rapidly destroying the US's military inorder to prevent any "provocation" of their "new neighbors."
So once all the Centrists (Imperial Apologists) that were pushing for things like "a functioning government" and "a military that can protect our sovereignty" got fed up with the NR and noped out to join TFO, only the spineless fucking pussies were left in charge. This is why the NR is such an embarrassing non-entity in the movies that gets wiped out in a single attack.
RJ didn't do that. It was already established in the TFA tie-in novels that were released before/alongside TFA. I can't say how much of that 'world building' JJ actually signed off on and how much of it was other writers desperately trying to make sense of the bullshit script JJ shat out... but yeah. That's why TFO was able to conquer the NR in a matter of minutes. That single dot hovering over the world Starkiller Base blew up (Hosnian Prime iirc)? That was it: the sum total of the NR's GALACTIC fleet. They believed in decentralization so strongly that member states were required to fund their own defense in separate fleets while the NR only kept a small token fleet. A single, goddamn, 1/4 strength "fleet."
The more we learn about TFA the worse it becomes.
My mother introduced me to Star Wars when I was 12 and told me _“Jasper, this is as good as film gets.”_ She was a writer and I really took her words to heart. All I was able to give her in return, however, was dragging her to witness the horror of Episodes VII & VIII with me so I didn’t have to suffer alone. _“Mom, this is as bad as films get.”_ I’ll never forget staying up til 4 in the morning on those Christmas breaks from college critiquing them together, or the look on her face when I told her we had 45 minutes left in The Last Jedi.
Thankfully she didn’t live to see Rise of Skywalker, and I had enough sense by that point to spare myself the needless pain of watching it either (until last year drunk with my best friend WOOT Sith dagger to the throat WOOT). But I shall cherish forever the memories of my mom, my very own Jedi Master, losing her cool and absolutely ripping this film apart. Your sequels revisited videos take me back, Nutsa. Thanks.
John Truby's Facebook post is an enjoyable rant about how much the sequels suck.
@@Ruylopez778 “For the last half hour this movie felt like a vampire. Somebody needed to find a stake and put it out if its misery.” Exactly what my mom’s face said in the -3rd- _4th_ act.
Discovering comments like this is one of the best things about RUclips. Thanks, man.
LMAO omg when a Star Wars movie is so bad people are grateful their mothers died before seeing it 😂 RIP ma
@@CoercedJab As Martin Luther King once said, “If a man[/mom] has not found something worth dying for, then s/he isn’t fit to live.”
When I brought my father to see the movie, and we got to Snoke's death, he said that the Looney Tunes' end theme would have fit perfectly with Snoke's shocked expression, and all the scene missed was "That's all Folks" written on screen. And now I can't unsee or unhear it.
your dad was right 100%
Fact : Someone should remix that movie with a different SFX and music tracks. Just highlight it for the comedy it is.
Could even add a few laugh boxes.
The shocked expression, followed by parts of the fight scene would sync well with the extended version of the LT end theme.
I've always been partial to Yakkity Sax, personally. A timeless classic.
@@theguybehindyou4762
I personally imagine just the shocked expression with the regular ending theme, while "That's all Folks!" appears and the screen irises out. Then Snoke falls and cut to black.
Finn and Rose were so unimportant that Nutsa didn't even talk about em, I'm sure I'm forgetting another part like R2 existing and not really doing anything and whatnot
Don't forget dollar store Lando!
R2’s lack of importance shows how little Disney knows about the franchise. George has said in the past R2-D2 is the narrator of the saga hence why he keeps saving the day. But they keep ignoring him. The character who got the first Star Wars spin-off show and they ignore him.
You guys ain't wrong, the sequels will never get the love the prequels got in a decade or whatever either
@@jacobwillard2467 Maybe from a few diehard fans who saw them as kids... but that'll really be pure nostalgia rather than there being any actual qualities about the films worth noting like the prequels having a grand sense of scale and tragedy with in depth world-building, alongside an actual proper story about the rise of dictatorship vs the faux-deep anti-fascist meme of the DT.
@@LordVader1094 Everything feels ironically so small in the sequels
Somehow, Nutsa returned
RUclips is a pathway to many abilities some consider unnatural.
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!"
What's nutsa?
@@hilosky She who made the video.
One too soon mate
I fucking despise that Luke doesn’t use his own lightsaber. It’s like they forgot that Jedi have their own sabers and tried to make Anakin’s lightsaber like it was Excalibur. That’s not how lightsabers fucking work.
Not to mention the D batteries should long be dead by now.
I traveled across the USA from west coast to east coast to visit my best friend, so we could watch this movie together on opening night. I was so angry about this movie after seeing it, that walking out of the theater I couldn't say much to my friend. But I remember saying that I will not be watching the next movie. This movie was so bad and so offensive in every way imaginable, that it makes me believe that they were trying to make it bad on purpose. Why would they do that? By now we should be thinking this is what Disney is doing because everything they touch is offensively bad.
People point to the failure of Disney Star Wars to make money as Disney’s failure, but if you listen to the people making Disney Star Wars talk, they don’t mention making films and shows that appeal to people as quality entertainment. They talk about representation and subversion. They reached their goals. They are more interested in flexing the power they have over our culture by controlling perhaps the most powerful modern mythology and, by extension, our minds.
Rian Johnson loves subverting expectations, he’s addicted to it. Knives Out is a good example of how his directing style is supposed to work, but putting him in charge of a Star Wars movie was a really bad idea. Putting him in charge of the second movie in a trilogy was about as bad of a choice as could be made. Almost everything bad in the movie was included specifically to shock and surprise people.
I personally dislike this kind of storytelling but it can work. It’s poisonous to long form storytelling though, and it tends to alienate existing fans of an IP.
JJ Abrams doesn’t have a single original bone in his body, so there was no real hope of a third movie that could stick the landing. Honestly, neither were a good choice for Star Wars.
Yes but keep in mind, back in 2017 it was an absolute shock to see them sabotage themselves this hard. Its been nothing but par for the course ever since.
@@necroplastful The self-sabotage started with Lucas at least as far back as the "special" editions. What a mess those are! But it kicked into high hear with Force Awakens, which was no less offensively bad than Last Jedi.
"Yeah man, but-... yo momma!"
-Rian Johnson, probably
10:25
What was done to Mark Hamil, and how he was distressed, perfectly represents how the characters were treated in this movie. A voice of reason would speak up, but be drowned out with applause for being "brave, progressive, and defying expectations."
Breaks my heart to see this clip, even after all these years.
As the years have gone by, I've lost sympathy for Hamill. He could have absolutely stood his ground and he told Johnson no to all his bad ideas; what was Disney going to do? Fire Mark Hamill and recast someone else as Luke? He had all the leverage but didn't use it.
Plus Hamill wanted his own granddaughter aborted, which is such an antithesis to Luke Skywalker's character.
@@johnleonard9102 I don't really care about abortion. He did speak up, he made his issues known. Was he silenced, yeah. Could he probably go against Disney and fight harder, sure; thats also easier said than done.
I have my own issues with things Hamil has said over the years, but he is still an icon, and still painful to watch him be broken over a character he loved as much as the fans did.
Yeah Hamill’s Luke turning into a bitter hermit really messed with what could have been a more serious respect for Luke’s abilities and generally happy demeanor for the originals.
@@fettbub92 It really is pretty easy. I doubt Hamill needs the money - at least he shouldn't. He could just refuse to play the part, and they would probably have written Luke out of the story. I don't know if people would have been happier that way, but there you go.
@@theWebWizrdI don't know if you've ever been involved in a collaborative creation before, but sometimes you just don't get your way
As an Irishman I must apologise for my country giving Disney permission to use the Irish island of Sceilg Mhíchíl as the filming location of Luke's island. They desecrated that place.
It's a breathtaking island, I can't really blame Disney.
What are you talking about, man, that setting is absolutely fantastic and beautiful. Take that apology back!
@kevinrwhooley9439 Don't apologise for other people mistakes. Also I'd like to visit this island, this place is beautiful
No place blessed by the Tuatha Dé Danann could ever be desecrated by these dimwits. At least many people the world over got to see the beauty of Skellig Michael for the first time even though in a shite movie like this; I for one intend to visit this place one day soon to support Irish tourism.
That’s ridiculous. That island will remain beautiful no matter how many terrible movies are filmed there. Unless of course it’s covered in trash now
If Rian really wanted to subvert expectations, he should have had Rey join Kylo. Then in the next movie Finn could have filled the Luke role, Rey for Vader and Kylo for Palpatine
It would have saved Rey character if she did that.
oh my god that would've been BRILLIANT
He’d mess that up too.
Honestly, YES. This. While I appreciate Rey sticking true to her conscience, her going from passionately fighting for the Resistance to ruling the very Order they were fighting so hard against with Leia's prodigal son is just such a cool twist and would've left so much anticipation for the following film similar to Vader's revelation at the end of ESB.
Dude, that would have been really good.
I’ll never forget the 5 stages of grief I went through in the literal seconds it took for Luke Skywalker to throw his lightsaber over his shoulder and drink a space cows milk afterwards like it was a bad comedy….
The yo momma joke was the nail in the coffin after that
@@SuperHiFiGaming Whats funny is the your momma joke came first... It was an appetizer for what we were getting next...:(
That was almost as bad as dieing from a Force fart and giving his sister a random pair of dice.
@@nathank2289 Lmao the way you put that really brings home the absurdity of it
Watching the sequels is like getting slapped in the face repeatedly.
About Poe and Holdo's sexual tension... there was a romance subplot between them in the first draft of the script. It's why she's commanding a fleet on the front lines of a goddamn war in a fucking COCKTAIL dress. The costume designer spoke about it in an interview. When originally sketching out plans for the VICE ADMIRAL's wardrobe, he came up with designs similar to what Leia was wearing in TFA: still feminine but with a distinctly military look. Because, you know, VICE ADMIRAL IN A GODDAMN WAR. RJ rejected all those drafts out of hand, saying something like "we need to see her silhouette, we need to see the shape of her body and how her body moves." This was due to the romance subplot he had originally scribbled in for the script.
And while that subplot got axed, we clearly see the legacy of it. I'm not sure if the film was partially shot before the rewrite and they just kept the original takes where the actors were instructed to hate-flirt with one another... or RJ just half-assed the rewrite and left all the subtext of simmering sexual tension in the script.
Either way... yeah. I felt I was going crazy after TLJ came out because NO ONE was talking about the really weird, over the top, sexual tension sparking between Poe and Holdo. That "I know flyboys" speech was delivered with all the energy of Holdo taking out the ghost of boyfriends past on Poe. She has a type and lowkey hates herself for it because she knows the toxic boys she's attracted to all burn her in the end... so she's taking that cocktail of self-resentment and attraction out on the new boy she's drawn to like a moth to a flame. All while Poe is bewildered at the intensity of all these mixed singles he's getting from one of his heroes (remember he was crushing on her from the very mention of her name.)
WHY IS THIS IN THE SCRIPT IT'S SO DAMNED DISTRACTING!? And not in a good way, it's just... bizarre like I'm starring deep into the fucked up psyche of RJ that he'd even think to work this into the script in the first place. And he also bemoaned how much of the script had to be trimmed down due to time constraints... so did the Poe/Holdo romance get nixed just to slim down the movie's bloated runtime or did he have a minor moment of clarity and realize how horrible an idea it was?
Whatever, imma stop rambling now.
There was lots of weird stuff with Holdo. Like, why does she look so pleased with herself and smug anytime she tells Poe to shut up and follow orders (you know, like a rebel)? How was her plan really smart or supposed to save the resistance? Is it just me, or is her neck freakishly long? Is she a human who dyed her hair purple for some reason, or is she a humanoid alien with naturally purple hair? If she's such a great leader, why is she such a bad leader? These were questions I kept asking myself.
@@psycholuigiman Ooooooh yeah. It is baffling just how much is WRONG with that movie, that so much tends to fly under the radar and we'd need days to hash out every little thing.
Her "plan" was foiled simply by someone in the First Order... looking out a goddamn window. That was it. As if TFO wouldn't be checking to see if any rats would flee the sinking ship sailing past a lovely little island. There was no need for DJ "Don't Join" McShady to rat out the Resistance when their plan was that fucking braindead....
And the absolute worst part about all of this? You know one easy change that fixes that entire fucking trainwreck of a subplot?
Nix this hyperspace tracking McGuffin nonsense and instead have a spy on board. That alone solves so many problems, like completely removes the fucking casino planet and the dumb suicide mission onto the flagship to disable the tracking bullshit.
This gives Holdo a reason to keep mum about her plan as a legitimate concern about Operation Security. She can even detain Finn under suspicion of being the spy to give Poe a reason to start shit... which could even be part of her plan as she knew Finn was innocent, but wanted the spy to lower their guard and slip up while most of the ship's attention was on the Finn/Poe/Holdo kerfuckle. Then throw in a wrinkle about how Poe's demand to release Finn gets co-opted by the real spy into a full blown mutiny.
So Poe still has his mutiny, Holdo catches her spy in the chaos, and there can be a real argument to be made over who was more wrong/less right here as Holdo still threw an innocent man under the bus while Poe nearly ruined everything to save that innocent.
But no, bullshit about capitalism bad on casino planet and purple hair lady screeching MEN BAD! Totally makes for a better movie.
@@duncanlutz3698 Holy crap. It's kinda crazy how just imposing a simple restriction like The First Order can't easily track hyperspace travel" could have led to a more interesting story. The cherry on top being that it's a restriction that has always been there, but it just got removed for convenience I guess.
Kinda enlightening when I think about it. Like, it's easy to fall into the trap of believing that, as a writer, you can jut make up whatever rules you want in your work of fiction. In truth though, imposing restrictions and rules on the fictional world forces you to come up with something a bit more clever that can lead to something pretty interesting in the long run. Guess that's another example of that old saying "art from adversity", even when the adversity is self-imposed.
Ironic that there was a romance subplot between these two characters, yet in the final cut several female perspectives used the Poe/Holdo relationship as a thesis that RJ *primarily* wrote TLJ as a feminist manifesto about standing up to the patriarchy.
@@cusideabelincoln How... how is Holdo standing up to the Patriarchy when the two most powerful people on that ship were herself and Leia? Poe was even demoted by a woman at the start of the movie. He's not the Patriarchy when he's being controlled by women, and he definitely wasn't the established power when Holdo was the one unquestionably calling all the shots and dressing him down. FFS, there would be no need for a mutiny if Poe was in enough control to be considered a patriarchy....
My brain hurts. That level of stupid broke my brain this morning.
If anything, TLJ shows us a Matriarchy run by Aunt Flo. Huzzah for Feminism!
the straw that broke my camel's back is when we see Rose literally u-turn when asked so Finn can sacrifice himself, and this sack of potato is able to catch up with him and ram his ship off the other direction.
truely mind blowing rian johnson shlop.
If Finn had been allowed to sacrifice himself there would have at least been one thread of heroism. He'd be one of the great characters of Star Wars lore, but they won't let him be a hero in any way shape or form.
@@robertdouth8979even better, have him survive but get captured. They could also make him force sensitive so they have to fight and redeem sith finn next movie.
She somehow catches up to Finn (who is going at top speed) by somehow going faster sideways to hit him?
Is that even possible?
@@MrJohnlennon007 it's literally badly programmed video game logic. where if you combine going forward with strafing you can glitch a badly programmed (or amateurishly programmed) game into adding both movement speeds together.
My god I hate that scene....the whole movie too, but esp that scene. First, WTF was the point of those speeders? Did you notice that throughout that entire sequence not a single shot was fired from any of the speeders? Do they even have weapons on them? Then finn is about to crash into the big gun to disable it and rose rams him...that could have, and SHOULD have killed them both then the gun blows up the door and kills the resistance.
The Last Jedi did subvert my expectations. I expected to be entertained.
Fr tho :(
I mean, we were certainly entertained. Just not in a good way.
If The Last Jedi were marketed as a Star Wars parody in the vein of Spaceballs 2: The Quest for More Money, it might have worked fine.
i have never seen a movie trying so hard to be unpredictable like this one, every 10 minutes there has to be something to subvert my expectation
Every 10 minutes? More like 5 at best
"Your Snoke Theory Sucks" was a red flag 🙄
It reminded me of the movie ‘Wild Things’ from the late 90’s. The whole movie was one subverting of expectations every 20 minutes. They even had show in the closing credits ‘additional scenes’ of the characters motives that subverted every expectation from the previous 2 hours. It was so ridiculous, and that’s exactly what ‘The Last Jedi’ did.
May I introduce you to another shit movie called "Prometheus"?
@@chrisolivo6591i love Wild Things. It's a fun movie to watch. But the Last Jedi is trash of the highest order. That movie destroyed Star Wars.
The salt planet is a perfect microcosm of Rian's inability to come up with anything different from fakeout twists.
And how unoriginal he is. Empire was bold for putting the biggest action scene in Act One and not Act Three.
It's a mirror image of Hoth. Let's be honest here...
The “twists” are all just cop-outs really. Ultimately the movie recycles the best bits from both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. It’s completely unoriginal and has zero cool revelations or powerful emotional moments like those films did. The “subverted expectations” is just a way for Johnson to pretend to be a genius while having no actual ideas.
@@AbsentMinded619to play devil's advocate for Rj...
Since there was no master plan, all he was left to work with were the purposely unanswered Jj Abrams mystery boxes ("what's in the box!?")
It's possible that RJ decided, not entirely incorrectly, that mystery boxes were a stupid bad way to tell a story, and because they never planned anything out in advance, he was left with the burden of trying to fill them in, knowing that no matter what answer he gave, it was never going to be satisfactory enough compared to the sheer volume of fan fiction speculation that was already out there in the time after ep7.
So in an act of subversion, he purposely gave the most unsatisfactory answers for every mystery box question, out of spite and an interest only in shoving the movie out asap so he could be given his own movie trilogy to work with, instead of playing janitor/repairman for Jjs mystery boxes and memberberries.
He was tasked with a job that was going to be unpleasant and disappointing, no matter what happened, because Mickey and Kk didn't bother with planning in advance, and didnt want to use Lucas's treatment, because they wanted all the money and credits to themselves. So he maliciously complied and purposely subverted everyone's expectations for answers by giving the worst possible answers, which mostly boiled down to "it doesn't matter", "mystery boxes are stupid", and "how you like them apples?". Everything afterwards is just cope, malding, marketing wonk and hokum, dressed up as pretentious "brilliance".
He didn't care about the source material, he hated being the middle guy, he wanted to get it done and get paid so he could go on to do something entirely on his own, and he wanted to get out of being called out for it, so justified it all as big brain high iq "subversion of expectations" to hide from criticism.
damn, that clip where mark got shut up with applause and he just rubs his face in frustration. i feel so bad for the man sometimes
“So this is how the Star Wars franchise dies… with thunderous applause.”
-Padmè Amidala
@@Mr.observer47*Padmé
The Finn and Rose side-plot was especially brain-dead. Did absolutely nothing to advance the plot and made no sense as they were able to leave the ship as it was being pursued, go questing, and then return to the ship which is still at max speed being pursued. It was just special. Sad that the actress who played Rose got flak because Laurence Olivier couldn't have done justice to that nonsense.
What do you mean? It was the noblest of quests that resulted in the biggest virtue signal the galaxy would ever know: freeing those poor space horse cats so that punishment could be administered to the SLAVE CHILDREN left behind.
I felt so bad for her when she had that line that was something like “I wanna put my fist through this beautiful town” and I was like oh boy, even Clint Eastwood couldn’t make that line sound cool.
For the life of me I can't remember this movie, but I'll never forget the looks Mark Hamil made in interviews every time he tried to explain himself. You can tell he loved, LOVED Luke Skywalker the way your or I might love a family member. Luke is part of Mark, and instead of playing Luke, he is forced to play Jake. And seeing his pain, that is damn distressing.
In a few interviews it almost looked like he was having a panic attack
A part of me thinks it broke him, I mean ever since then he's become a jaded shell of his former self, much like Jake, when before he used to seemingly project the same bastion of hope that Luke embodied. It's sad to see how he's spiraled.
It’s possible that he’s always been shallow and a bit dim. Check out his work on the White Guys for Kamala train wreck. He’s an actor. He’s right about Luke tho.
@@swordoftruth1175Oh no, are you one of those "Empire did nothing wrong" dipshits?
@@swordoftruth1175 that’s the party using him after the ideology they pushed for years wrecked his career. Now he’s just a mouthpiece for the DNC.
Forget the plot, the character assassination, the inconsistencies, the trashing of legacy... the single biggest crime, and demonstration for how blisteringly incompetent and utter disregard the sequel makers had is this: They reunited Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill and NOT ONCE... NOT A SINGLE POINT IN THE FILM.. was there a hero shot with all three of them. They were NEVER on screen at the same time. It is mind boggling how this was allowed to happen. And now it will never happen again.
Yeah this hurts more than anything not having the three of them together it makes completely utterly no sense whatsoever. You can argue in a way that the trio of Luke, Leia and Han are like the "face" of Star Wars to some people. They are iconic. They aren't just the three characters of a defining era of Star Wars they were Star Wars.
Can you imagine if MCU had like a 20, 30 year break agreed to bring back all the OG avengers somehow but they all died without the audience ever getting to see them together as team again? Thats kind of the only thing I can equate this too culturally if that makes sense?!
this is the funniest comment i've ever seen. you really did just want remakes of the original with 70 year old actors. lmao
@@Gravitynaut That's... not what they said? I know Legends material is somewhat overrated, but look at pretty much any Legends stories related to the New Republic. Those stories are proof that these characters could've come back in an older state without just rehashing the movies
@@theuberedredspy8791 y'all have a fetish for luke skywalker and han solo.
@@Gravitynaut I'm more of a Meetra Surik, Kreia, and Atton Rand fetishist personally, but even I can recognize a wasted opportunity when I see one.
I stormed out of "TFA"! I was angry that I had avoided every piece of promotional material and had just watched a soft reboot that trashed everything from the end of "RotJ". I told the friend I went with that I wasn't going to anymore of these movies. Then he showed up at my house with tickets for "TLJ".
He had to beg me to go before I finally caved in. I was disappointed from the jump when I found out that the whole movie was the OJ chase with spaceships, and they kept talking about fuel! Since when has 'Star Wars" ever been concerned about fuel?! I was completely bored... until Finn started his "self deletion" run!
At that moment I was on the edge of my seat! I was all for Finn until he started killing his fellow Stormtroopers. (I mean, I thought he cared about them, but he apparently only cared about 1 of them.) I thought that he was about to redeem his cowardice and go out saving the "Resistance". Then Rose comes out of nowhere and smashes into him, and then kisses him as the base is blown wide open! I just sat there. Stunned at just how stupid this moment was.
Don't even get me started on that Hyperspace ram bullplop!
I remember watching the force Awakens and everyone its so good, I was like its ok "I had a feeling", I didn't hate it. But the last jedi I just laughed, I went twice cause it was so funny how bad it was.
@@129das For me, it was a slow build. When we ended up on a desert planet (that somehow isn't Tattooine) with a droid holding something important for the Resistance, I was a little annoyed; when Rey understood BB-8's beeps I rolled my eyes; when I saw Starkiller Base was another Death Star, I began to get peeved; when they killed Han in the dumbest way possible, I got angry; and when that lightsaber went past Kylo Ren, and flew into Rey's hand *and* she beat him, I was confused as to why they would neuter their villain like ths; and I finally flew off the handle when Luke showed up, and it immediately cut to credits without a word from him.
Oh, I hate that movie! I was the first out of the theater, pacing back and forth in my Sith robe, going off about what a mess it was! Imagine my shock when I went to RUclips, thinking how the prequel haters would be hating on this so hard, but the majority of them liked it! This has never made sense to me. For years they crapped on an Independent filmmaker who created one of the most successful franchises ever, and yet, they gave a big corporation a pass for their poorly planned, crap of a trilogy that absolutely destroyed characters from the OT.
Yep after seeing force awakens I was done with Disney star wars. But someone bought me tickets for last jedi and wanted me to come so I went, and was disappointed.
Fuel is brought up a lot in the cartoon series. But the plot was usually captured or destroyed the fueling stations that are important supply routes for separatists fleets or empire fleets (depending in series)
Revenge of the Sith mentions fuel too when Obi-Wan is searching for Grievous.
Man seeing Mark Hamill just talk and then pass his hand on his face and look down dejected and defeated hit me hard. He did not deserve for this to be his swan song in the star wars franchise
I somewhat disagree; it is arguable cosmic justice that Hamill is getting his character screwed over because he is too old, white, and male for Disney now. This is the world Hamill chose. Now off to the nursing-home with him, the diverseyest home preferably.
@@zimriel That’s so dumb. Any legacy characters who signed on to this trilogy were under the impression they would get a proper send off (aside from Harrison ford who got what he wanted), but Mark expressed his disappointment.
The audience applauding when they hear that the movie's director basically said "Fuck the fans" is a peak fandom moment. Just that "We will take whatever shit we're given and put it on a pedestal, despite it being a massive turd" mentality that shows up because people are taught critical thinking or media literacy.
@@zimrielI agree with you, he had a hand in voting in California into what it has become.
@@davemac9563 You ever watch the "Tales from the Crypt" movie, Demon Knight?
If you make a deal with liars, 'tis likely you'll get the shaft.
It seems that Hollywood mastered their art of pissing off its own loyal fans. Star Wars, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings - the years go by, but millions of people still can't comprehend how Hollywood could ruin everyone's favorite franchises like that
It's an abusive relationship - you get ended up hurt time and time again, but if you leave where will you go? You don't know what's out there, could be even worse than what you have now; might as well stay where it's familiar.
@@Rinesmyththis is exactly it. I'd say their intention is to ruin the movies, which is not untrue, but the real goal is to "break" the audience into letting go of what Star Wars is so they will accept what Disney wanted to make it. Guess they didn't see the pushback coming because they are as out of touch with the fan base as they are the series
@RogerTheil That's the key difference between artists and activists, artists see the world as it is and humble themselves to it's wonders, where "activists" only see the world how they want it to be and pride themselves in their vision.
It's because they are owned by a group of people that want to destroy what they think and *know* (asterisk) what those incredible universes represent to their fan bases. A threat to their proverbial monopoly on western fantasy settings. A pin in the tapestry that they want to replace with their own banner.
Centralized power always demands total control.
@@justjoking5841 stop noticing, bro.
That’s a very good point that the worst part about TLJ was the intentional audience trolling. It’s the basic message that they knew what their legacy audience really wanted, but they chose to intentionally offend them, because they actually wanted a different audience. I think TLJ is so special in retrospect, because it set up the audience on this malignant path, where every new StarWars thing was received extremely critically. It’s like a relationship where your partner cheated on you once and even if you continue the relationship you never trust ever again. There is now an aspect of hate in the relationship that can never be fixed.
It's more that they had been cheating for a while and this was the moment of realization.
@@progste fair enough. I was actually super-excited about TFA, but looking back all the signs were there already and I just didn't want to see them.
@@luna-hw9li it was similar for me, I was super hyped for TFA and even overlooked numerous faults of the movie thinking the sequel would address them, but after TLJ it became clear what was really happening.
Rey makes Jar Jar Binks look he was played by Daniel Day-Lewis.
6.5 years since TLJ opened and 8.5 years since TFA, we're still waiting on that "the fandom will come around to them" to start to kick in. Assuming that "they weren't for you.... young people loved the sequels", they must be old enough to start talking about it on social media now, right?
To booster you point, the subreddit SequelMemes has flatlined since 2022 reaching around 470k. If the kids did have the same love as the prequel kids then we should see an increase.
tbf tho, 8.5 years after TPM wasn't enough to soften people on the prequels, 2007 was still pretty prickly.
You know why the fandom came around with the prequels? Lucas wasn't an idiot and let a ton of people make video games (some with really small teams and a really small company, but you cant have that anymore thanks EA and Disney), let people write side stories in the series without them feeling heavy handed or over the top, and let the community foster creativity around what was shown. Plus, even if the prequels were boring or badly written, at least it felt consistently star wars in a lot of key areas.
My kids were little. They just thought they were fun space battle movies and didn’t expect much. They don’t remember anything else about the movies and wouldn’t be talking about them any more than any other popcorn flick.
I do 501st charity work, and I will say I interact with plenty of kids who like the sequels. They'll talk about their favorite character, or movie, or battle, etc. I will say though the Mandoverse tends to be more popular, more kids bring then up than those that are sequel tots.
The lightsabers in this triology are trash
The visual looks nice tho
Yep!
This trilogy is trash
@editornoob4606 Pretty colors will always be pretty colors indeed.
Especially since there are literally lightsaber proof metals that could make a cross guard instead of putting a dumb saber on the hilt that would be way more dangerous to the user than anything else
That is a VERY good point: Collaborating with the story tellers before and after you, it is NOT _your_ story to "subvert". It is now very much OUR story to uphold.
The circus theme song is the perfect musical score to backdrop the sequels. What a clown show. They had a golden goose in the palm of their hands, and instead of laying a thousand priceless eggs for the next twenty years, they hanged, drew, and quartered it while pointing fingers at the fans like WE were the ones that were wrong. Make it make sense.
Speaking of music....am I the only one who found the soundtrack to these three films completely insipid?
I didn't find a theme that stuck in my head, a track that I wanted to recover: I tried to listen to Kylo and Rey's themes outside of the films (a bit like you can do for Duel of fates, Across the stars, Battle of heroes, the star wars main theme, The empire fleet, The Dark Side Beckons, to name 6 themes for each film), but they told me absolutely nothing.
@@Toshiro93 no you defo aren't alone theres "some" themes that I like from the sequels, theres some okay stuff in Episode 7 and 8. But it does kinda feel like John Williams gave up too. I don't blame him everyone else did. I love John but man I don't remember a single single, theme from Episode 9. Sad considering how utterly iconic Music from 1 to 6 is.
@@Toshiro93 That is because there are no iconic scenes for the music to go along with. There is just nothing there!
@@Grubnar This is a fair observation.🤣🍻
This will be controversial to some though from my perspective it’s just reality but this is because capitalism is largely concerned with the short term in instances like this where you have a huge conglomerate with corporate suit types with no understanding of the property seeing a golden goose. They got their hands on Star Wars and they saw money now. It’s Star Wars! The name alone prints money! We can churn out flicks with such visionaries as JJ Abrams and its gold Jerry! Say what you want about Lucas but he cared about the property and wanted to put out quality content. And the prequels have great world building. The sequels are soulless cash grabs by people with no understanding of what made SW great. So is most Disney SW dreck. Art suffers when commerce becomes the only consideration. Marvej worked so well for so long because you had a head of the studio who understood that if you take the time to have a plan and passionate people who want to tell good stories and have an understanding of what makes the property great you set yourself up for far more riches than the quick cash grab. But I’m sure in the politics that goes on behind the scenes with shareholders you have those that say I don’t cere about 10-15 years from now. I might be dead! I want as much cash now as I can get. So JJ and no plan it is.
They murdered Luke's character to give Rey the spotlight that was meant for him. Luke was supposed to be the redeemer and everyone has begged to see Luke in his prime but directors and writers forcefully pushed for a female protagonist with all of his characteristics and them some but without the development to earn them as such. It was supposed to be Luke all along. Dont even get me started with Finn. Rey is just your [insert your op OC here] and wasnt allowed to have vulnerabilities or any weaknesses that would've made her stand out. A perfect cookie cutter protagonist isnt engaging but instead boring with the excuses of inhereting power rather than learning.
They wanted to essentially recycle Star Wars long term for a younger, “new” audience, and they calculated that the best way to do that was to just retell same story with younger stars. But to do that they completely butchered the legacy of the original characters, and failed to see that the original trilogy is the only reason anyone cares about Star Wars in the first place. So their plan was a flop. To this day, when advertisers pay to put Star Wars on a product, they want Yoda, Darth Vader or Han Solo because that’s what people like.
It's amazing that Disney spent 4 billion dollars on a franchise and then made films with no plan and abandoned the existing characters and universe to use their own fanfiction. No wonder their stock price got cut in half like darth maul.
10:08 I'll never stopped being amazed by this clip of Hamill trying to make a point, only to be interrupted by all the simpIetons starting to clap. The pain on his face, man.
Last Jedi is the Spaceballs parody movie, of the movie Spaceballs. (If you did not watch Spaceballs, go see it now, you will thank me for life)
My favorite part, is when they "come" the desert. 🤣🤣
We ain't found shit
@@jaemotoo "How many ass wholes we got on this ship anyhow?" 🤣🤣🤣
*in his most manly voice:*
"Ludicrous speed!"
(Btw, did you notice my pfp? :D)
"You idiots you caught thier stunt-doubles!"
"Don't worry,we will meet again, in Space-Balls 2:The Search For More Money!"
A mariachi band at a funeral is tough business.
As long as they play 'Ring of Fire' at least once, I'll be a happy (dead) camper.
@@GozokukolatI was thinking Another One Bites the Dust or Highway to Hell. Or Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.
@@emberfist8347 or 50 Ways to Say Goodbye
I think it was very wise to point out, the TLJ trailer already gave away that we were getting a jaded Luke. Yet there was still a lot of optimism before the premiere because, surprise surprise, the fanbase actually did have an open mind, heard that final line from the trailer and thought "okay, show me how we got there". What so many fans didn't like was the execution, not the premise itself. To insist "fans just couldn't stand Luke not being a flawless hero" is mega disingenuous.
Everyone seemed to think that Rey being Luke’s daughter was too obvious, but what they did instead was WAYYY dumber. Luke needed a really devastating reason to have a change of personality like that. Suppose he married, he and his wife started training a group of students, and his love for Han’s son kept him from seeing that Kylo was full of evil. Kylo kills Luke’s wife and a bunch of other people, Kylo takes over Luke’s students (creating a team of evil Jedi as the antagonists, something actually new,) and Luke realizes that his own idealism killed his wife. He hides Rey where she’ll never be found because he sees that she’s powerful and he doesn’t want any of this life for her, and then he hides himself away because he believes that he will only bring death to his family and friends. Then he and Rey can have an emotional moment where he confesses all of this to her.
3:30 The fact that the man who wrote this sentence didn't have a smallest clue of its sheer absurdity should've been enough on it's own to ban Rian Johnson from writing _Star Wars_ for the rest of his life.
TLJ is when I officially gave up on the IP.
This entire trilogy reminded me how I absolutely despise authors or filmmakers who try so hard to look smart by subverting expectations in a way that's just infuriating. It's not pleasant, it's not smart, it's just cock blocking anyone who's excited for something in the movie by pulling the rug from under them and then laughing at them because they fell for it. It feels like I'm in the wrong for being excited about something cool and that the camera then suddenly points at me to show how dumb I am for falling for it.
The universe they work on or adapt is nothing more for them than a way to show off how smart they think they are by subverting it. It's so damn narcissistic and infuriating. I just can't fathom the idea that you get to work on one of the most beloved franchise ever and your first thought is that you're better and you'll do something great by shitting on the previous material done before.
This entire trilogy is an ego contest of filmmakers who wanted to look smart but forgot to make a good movie in the first place.
As for Luke's character arc, its one thing to try something new or risky. Its another thing to try something, fail, and then blame the people who pointed out you failed.
The worst part about this is that no one who antagonized the fanbase suffered any consequences for their actions, so now the general public has this perception that it's perfectly okay to bully _Star Wars_ fans.
@@Daniel_Huffman Its okay to bully OG fans. If you clap for baby Yoda, you're just fun and quirky! Not sure how much worse that is!
I love your point of RJ knowing the movie we wanted and making its opposite. Never thought of it that way. The reluctant teacher is an archetype and seems to be a quality of the Jedi. But RJ just ruined it with his subversion - something that wasn't necessary.
The only reason Luke should exile himself is if he believes, with at least some good reason, that sticking around would hurt Leia and others. They really did not convey that. They wanted Luke to be selfish and pathetic because they actually thought this would make people like Rey more.
They said we'd look back at this fondly. They said it'd be the same thing that happened to the prequels where we learn to love them with age. They said we would want this to be star wars future.
And look where we are now....
To be fair, the current Prequel appreciation didn't really start until early to mid 2017, which was 18 years after The Phantom Menace. With that in mind, the Sequels probably wouldn't recieve this type of appreciation until some time in the early 2030's.
2024 is only 9 years after The Force Awakens. 9 years after The Phantom Menace was 2008 which was when the Prequel hate really started to peak
Prequel appreciation happened because 1. Clone wars and 2. The sequels were so shit that everyone went nostalgic. Something more atrocious would need to come out so ppl start liking the sequels.
@oplars6487 I love the Prequels but they are dumpster fire. I think what helped the Prequels was that it had awesome video games along side it.
@@HMMadsen
See,that is the problem. Currnet Prequall appreciation started,because of TLJ. Not because nostalgia kicks in. Before TLJ,prequalls were already liked because of Clonewars. TLJ just got all the hate instead.
@@Vilgax00
The current Prequel appreciation definitely did not start because of TLJ (it may have pushed it further, but it didn't start it). TLJ released at the very, very end of 2017, whereas I stated that the current Prequel appreciation seems to have really begun in early or mid 2017. And the more I think about it, the more likely it was in early 2017, because I remember how it was a topic among Star Wars fans during Star Wars Celebration 2017 (which happened in April) due to the positive response to Hayden Christensen attending for the first time since 2002 and the positive reception to Battlefront II 2017 incorporating Prequel elements
Letting Rian Johnson have his way with Star Wars is like letting Marie Antoinette rewrite the US Constitution, with no experience in the struggle to establish a republic.
"Let them drink green titty milk!"
"No We dont have to think about the fans, We have to think about the story" 10:28 jesus, Mark Hamill's face is of absolute defeat and sadness. I wish the original 3 stars had refused to do these movies 😢
20 years ago i created this adage:
"Every fool is right, completely on accident ( stopped clock, etc ), once in a while. To be wrong *EVERY TIME*, you have to be really damn good."
What does this mean
Means that for mistaking everything, even the hundreds of the binaries "yes or no" questions, you must be really trying to be wrong
@Padtedesco Oh you mean what Nutsa said in the video? She worded it a lot better than OP
@@kodyshaw6991 yes.
Ryan Johnson’s “The Last Jedi” - A BUNCH OF PLOT TWISTS WITHOUT ANY PLOT
The good guys and the bad guys are the same thing! There is no good or evil!! So anyways, [returns to space battles and never brings any of that up again]
Your analogies are some of the most concise yet effortless I’ve ever heard.
“Guys running for two hours” and “formal gown to McDonald’s” were so perfect
I legit thought it was an ad before the movie, like Luke tosses the lightsaber and now he's holding a Pepsi. Or something. Y'know how they do those big budget ads on TV to promote something, I thought it was one of those.
Then the movie kept playing, and the reality set in that Star Wars was forever changed. In the worst possible way.
You mean a CERVESTA CRYSTAL
The idea that Johnson knew how to make a good film/story and consciously did the opposite is such a great take, and makes me revile this film even more. Also I love that your critique omits a certain subplot and is none the worse for it. You couldn't have said anything more damning than that.
I mean its a stretch to call that sequence a "subplot" right?😂
What bothers me the most about this movie is how it actually killed my interest in Star Wars. I wasn't mad when the credits rolled, part of me was desperately trying to convince myself that I still had a good time, my brain was essentially just playing the trailers' movie for me while obscuring the context, so I could think it was actually decent. Nothing could fully hide just how empty I felt afterward, though.
The more time went, the more I thought about it, and the more I realized how bad it was. The sequels were announced as a trilogy, and now after the second movie, pretty much everything had concluded with the satisfaction of stale bread. Every interesting concept, every idea with potential, even the smallest crumb of a storyline was snuffed out unceremoniously.
Rian doesn't get to shoulder all the blame, that is true, but he does get to shoulder a lot of it. Yes, he was left with all the mystery boxes, but he was a part of things before the first sequel movie was finished. JJ had his part to play as well, he just had the luck of being the one to get the ball rolling, meanwhile Rian managed to just make every mistake JJ made into something worse.
Ultimately, this is all down to Kathleen Kennedy and whoever was above her at Disney to let everything go this far. Shit is supposed to roll uphill, and all that.
Damn I feel you! My depression for this movie started the moment the "yo mama" joke dropped ahah!
But the big big moment was when Snoke died and then Phasma (lol remember her?) died and then Kylo chokes out Hux I was like is he gonna die too? Are you just going to kill every villian? Why should I care anymore? I remember like in the final scenes of the film thinking "I have no idea what will happen in the next one" but like not in a good way yunno?
This thumbnail should have been the official movie poster.
Even the prequels have improved with age. The sequels are just total unmitigated garbage.
TFA made me question if Disney buying Star Wars was a good idea...TLJ confirmed to me it wasn't.
This analysis is spot on. Nutsa is like the movie whisperer or Thrawn where she can analyze the art work or film to create a psychological profile of the creator.
TLJ’s subverted expectations hindered its long-term appeal. In contrast, ESB also subverted expectations, but its twists coupled with strong storytelling and emotional depth, enriched the narrative and character arcs, ensuring its enduring legacy.
She is good, but Johnson and Headland make their motives pretty darn obvious.
@@swordoftruth1175 Headland's motives are clear, but it's Nutsa's ability to articulate and analyze Johnson’s motives in the context of their impact on the audience and the film's legacy that really sets her apart. I haven’t heard anyone else do such a deep and thorough analysis as her. If there’s another person out there that’s done a better job please let me know because my guilty pleasure is listening to people bash those responsible for this train wreck with sound logic and deep analysis 🧠
Ahaha I love Nutsa being compared to Thrawn. It means that she would be able to defeat Rian in a Naval Battle heheheh Grand Admiral Nutsa!!!
"Her regressing as a character is almost as inachievable as dividing zero and getting anything but zero, but here we are."
You completely subverted my expectations since I was told there would be no math.
$20 . Nice.
Thank you for donating to her.
I'm..so sorry for not seeing this and commenting sooner, thank you
I think you're right about the tonal and thematic incoherence! I've long thought that the fundamental problem with TLJ is that it tries to be three movies at once: (a) a movie for grown-ups about people struggling with overwhelming experiences of loss, failure, or abandonment, (b) a fun action-adventure movie for children, and (c) a metacommentary about Star Wars.
Rian Johnson probably aspired to make (a), was required by Disney to make (b), but really just wanted to make (c).
Burning a $4B franchise to the ground certainly subverted my expectations
Rian Johnson truly is a mastermind, he pranked Disney so hard and got away with a slap on the wrist.
You got to admit, that certainly is talent
Rian Johnson is sincerely convinced that if instead of an ordered food he served a pile of shit on the plate, the one who made the order would find it both hilarious and thought-provoking.
Did anyone else get an ad for the star wars outlaws game?
I can already tell you that game is going to bomb harder than the Tsar Bomb.
Of course it will. Anything DEI is DOA.
@@ZenMonkeyGodThat isn't why that game is going to be trash but pop off king 😂
@@FateBringsMe2U I didn't say it was the only reason
The game in it's entirety is trash.
Overpriced Disney crap - - not my Star Wars!
23:07 This is where I point to Rian's body of work and make note of the recurring theme of things that other people have created getting destroyed, on purpose. From legacies to the Mona Lisa. The Last Jedi is Rian Johnson willfully destroying the setting and mythos of Star Wars. He is, technically, a good writer. But he's morally and ethical a malicious, spiteful narcissistic nihilist who likes destroying mastepieces others have created and laughing. J.J. probably intended to just wholesale mimic the arc of the original teilogy, just like how much of his other works are derivatives in their own right. This is why the duo wound up a hyper destructive 1-2 Punch. Wian alone probably would have taken a bat to Star Wars but it could have been salvaged. J.J. wanted all the pieces back together to tell his little "and then they did it all again."
The Stars aligning for J.J. to put everyone in the same place and Rian to detonate a bomb with everyone in there. This is why the Last Jedi is so hated, on an unspoken subconscious level. We hoped deep down that we could have had somethkng poor and sloppy but nice as a gesture. And instead what should have been a reunion and torch pass pass became a Columbine for the most treasured film series of all time.
One of the best TLJ analyses/critiques that I've seen on YT. Excellent job!
The worst thing about this movie is just that it was so boring. A long space chase scene with the most annoying, uninteresting characters, along with a subplot of a boring casino planet with a lazy capitalist message, and Luke being a nothing character but a mouthpiece for the directors thoughts, and we didn’t learn anything about the conflict and why all this is happening. It’s just a mess. And those defenders need to accept the fact that this movie isn’t original, and just an arrogant rip off of Jedi and empire without the character development and engaging narrative.
Even my mother, who has no love for Star Wars watched the movie and said it felt like they were mocking the fans.
I don’t recognize anything Disney did as “Star Wars.”
When I came out the cinema after watching TFA, I felt deflated and confused, but managed to just stay on the verge of disappointed. When my friends asked me what I thought of it, I answered, with the knowledge that of all the loose threads it left, "It will depend on the next one!"
Only for the next one to be the antithesis of a Star Wars movie!
I felt the same mostly about Ray's character. As an Anime watcher I know the overpowered character arctype, But even they train usually. If being a jedi or sith requires training what is this character, the only thing I can think of at the time was they are somekind of sleeper agent, Or how wrong I was.
@@129dasin anime, I think Rey would have been set up for a fall in the end.
I was on same boat has you, really came out liking the movie up until Rey and Finn get on the Falcon then the movie dived bomb from there. I said to myself I hope the 2nd one will try to answer some of the set up in TFA only to get hit by TLJ.
JJ created a bunch of mystery boxes, then Rian came along and sh!t in all of them.
I really like your take. I also find it amazing that even after all this time we still somehow get new insight in how bad these films f**ked up.
Have a sub. And a wonderful day!
TFA was a juvenile effort, TLJ was absolutely infantile
I'm honestly surprised I've never heard anyone articulate the whole 'this isn't a you movie, this is an established franchise with expectations' so succinctly. In the retrospect of Johnson's clear style and success as a standalone film maker, it couldn't be more obvious that he was the wrong choice for exactly that reason. Like asking David Fincher to write a Fast and the Furious entry.
Bravo for cutting through the issue so poignantly.
so many creative people who actually cared were involved they just weren't anywhere near the script. it's not a star wars problem entirely. it's the modern movie process that tanks things
I feel like you're going through the therapy I needed after these films for me, and providing me with the cliff notes.
Nutsa long a go I thought I' wouldn't find a new RUclipsr that I'd be waiting to post new video so much. The Star Wars criticism content is constantly flooding YT, but I'm happy I stumbled upon yours.
I've been so looking forward to this review.
The main thing I remember about The Last Jedi is coming home with a massive headache, and realising that the film had completely deaded any hook or investment left in the story. The Rebels were near finished to the point I no longer saw the point, Snoke had turned out to have gone nowhere, and with him dead there was now barely an explanation for how the Empire regrew beyond it all apparently being down to rich, shady arms dealers. But more importantly it was transparently clear the makers didn't care about the craft of storytelling and saw it all as something to be flippant and throwaway about.
The saddest thing was realising that I'll probably never be able to get excited for a Star Wars movie again.
At first I could go with the idea of a disillusioned Luke who saw the Jedi religion as just too much of a dangerous gateway drug to the Sith, and thought the religion was better off buried. I could even admire the final last stand and death scene he got. But I really couldn't take to the loathsome tone of the dynamic between him and Rey. And also it just felt like he'd accrued no real wisdom at all.
I feel like maybe the film started strong and could've worked if they'd just scrapped everything after Leia gets blown out into space, let that be her death scene and do a completely different story from there. I really feel like Poe vs Holdo was only there to be an unsubtle commentary on Trump vs Hillary, with Poe representing the voting public which the film then chastises for making the wrong choice. Which just makes the film feel more than a bit cultish.
I'd put the stronger vociferous reaction down to the thin line between love & hate. Most bad films are standalones that don't ruin something an audience once loved, but The Last Jedi does. I think you have nailed it though that it was Rian ending up deliberately producing the 'gotcha' antithesis of the film we wanted. That I could've lived with a few subverted expectations and different approaches just to make the film not so predictable, but it's like no-one told Rian where to stop and so he just goes out of control with it to the point of utter nihilism.
I think maybe that's why I would've perhaps kept the scene where Kylo Ren fights ghost Luke, because that is at least a cool gotcha on the bad guy that feels satisfying, but all the rest of the gotchas are all on us, the viewer, or the heroes. There's no distinction to how and when the gotchas are applied, so it just becomes obnoxious.
Does Rian deserve all the blame? Certainly his baiting tweets at the fanbase make it difficult to feel charitable to him. I held out some vague hope The Force Awakens' loose ends could be forgiven or go somewhere interesting if the films after at least pretended to care about them. TLJ so blatantly and proudly doesn't that it breaks the spell. Maybe it was always a bad approach that wouldn't hold up, but TLJ just feels obvoxious and gleeful about the pointlessness of it.
I think in the end, I only succumbed to go see The Rise of Skywalker out of curiosity to see what possible salvage job they could do after, and just to see the trilogy to some kind of end. But once I did, I was done. It was the final goodbye letter.
@10:05 Sheesh I can truly feel Mark Hamill's pain.
27:12 that laugh...
I saw people saying "with time the sequels will become better like the prequels" were almost 10 years since the release of force awakens and its just as bad as i remember. Same goes for the other 2.
Stinging your brain like a mariachi band at a funeral is such a hilariously perfect way to describe it. I'm lmao
The Last Jedi Drinking Game!
The rules are simple, take a shot of alcohol every time:
1) Someone comes in or out of a coma
2) A plot point is stolen from Spaceballs
3) A weapon appears/disappears from nowhere
4) the bad guys stop shooting at the good guys because the good guys are in danger of being hit
5) a joke falls flat
6) Someone sacrifices their life to save the group
7 ) every time a character says the word "hope"
WARNING: strictly following these rule may result in alcohol poisoning. Please drink responsibly.
With the casino sequence Rian Johnson taught us where he stands on some very controversial issues. It takes a brave filmmaker to come out against war profiteering, animal cruelty and child slavery.
A true hero who made us all rethink the fundamentals of what is wrong. We had no idea but he opened our eyes. What a visionary.
Ignoring that the issues make no sense even in universe. None of the biggest corporations in the lore were involved strictly in making war machines outside of KDY and Sinear Fleet Systems which predictably had massive financial troubles when the Empire fell as they were the biggest customers for those companies. Even the corporations that formed the CIS got as big as they did from their essential services such as shipping (The Trade Federation) mining (the Commerce Guild) and banking (The InterGalactic Banking Clan) and the smart ones played both sides because they knew a prolonged was bad for business compared to a negotiated peace where they could get more favorable trade deals from the Republic. The animal cruelty fundamentally ignores that race animals don’t get abused because that is a sure fire way to lose the race. And why would they use children as slaves there instead of droids. Tattooine has the excuse of being a backwater world.
No no, Rian is pro child-slavery. That's why he had them free the horses and not the children.
Very bold.
@@AliceUngoliant lol!
@@AliceUngoliant😆😆 Ohmigod you're right. I guess I'd always assumed that the kids were set free too because it just makes so much sense. That's what I get for expecting "sense" out of this movie.
I have no idea how this ended up on my timeline but ended up clicking on it then ended up captivated through the entire half-hour. Just brilliant.
The last few years I've mostly just been trying to quell my disdain for what's happened to Star Wars as now it's inherent by nature but then a video like this comes around and reminds me I'm not wrong to be frustrated by things like turning Luke Skywalker into Morrissey. 💯
Holy shit, this is the first video Ive ever seen from you and I am blown away. You are spot the fuck on, and your editing is incredible.
11/10 would seethe over Ruin Johnson's failings and what Star Wars couldve been again
Your Honor, if I may. I will give Ryan Johnson one small line of defense: The Attitude of the Public.
What do I mean? The general audience saw what VII was: a soft reboot of IV. But, they were generally fine with that. They knew Disney was starting the franchise back up, and that was to be expected from the first film. Which lead to this dark cloud floating around The Last Jedi with just one question: Will they just redo Empire? Same storyline beat for beat. Luke for Yoda. Rae for Luke. Become the Last Jedi. Face Kylo before you're ready. Something happens to Po/Finn. Ambiguous ending.
This was the general weight of expectations on Ryan's shoulders. Was he going to take the easy path, or take a chance? And he wanted to make sure the audience knew he wasn't going to be playing it safe and that he was doing his own thing...
What was George's quote? “I may have gone too far in a few places”. Yeah, that comes to mind in hind sight
Its like you put into words what I've felt for years now.
It's like they knew exactly the kinds of things fans wanted out of this movie and did the opposite out of spite.
Subverting EVERY fan expectation doesn't make for a good product, I think.
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@19:11 - I think a particularly egregious mechanical choice is to introduce the Rashomon style flashbacks into Star Wars in part 8 of 9. Yes, we've had Obi wan's 'from a certain point of view' ... yes, we've had Anakin famously misread cloudy visions of the future. But Luke and Kylo having competing subjective experiences of the same objective events is a jarring first for Star Wars on screen. It's almost like a bad POV break in a novel. Star Wars, up until that point, had NEVER had that kind of purposeful questioning of the objective nature of the telling of events ... it's not that kind of IP; it wasn't built for that kind of story telling; Star Wars is not that kind of story.
"The power of One"
"The power of Two"...
"The power of...woke"....
AHHHHHHHHHH......
a galaxy Far Far and GAYYYY
Ep 7 = plagiarized New Hope, Ep 8 = darkside is funhouse mirrors, Ep 9 = "somehow Palpatine returned"
Subverting expectations also undermines itself, if you are subverting expectations every 5 minutes, it informs the viewer to expect it to happen at every turn, and nothing is more painful than being dragged through a scene knowing it's gonna have yet another one of those silly little twists at the end.
Not mentioning the Finn/Rose subplot even once is my favorite part of this critique. It was such a waste of screen time.
Indeed not worth spending time on a waste of time.
@@HeckDescender2184 indeed, that's the definition of a waste of time.
I don't like Green Milk. It's sour, watery, difficult to obtain and makes really bad CHEESE. I lost my father who tried to get some.
Anyways, another amazing video. I just finished a marathon of your channel's videos and was glad to be this early. Giving a like to promote this in RUclips's algorithm. One day, Nutsa must make a Star Wars film with her knowledge and understanding of the fanbase.
I liked and commented my own comment. Did I intrigue you with a MYSTERY and SUBVERTED your expectations ? HA, HA, HA !!!
Your videos are getting better and better, keep it up!!! ☺☺☺
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I have ADHD, and this movie was so boring and nonsensical, I had to watch it in 3x speed (and I still feel robbed of my time). The only good thing about the "Sequels", is that they caused some entertaining videos, like this one; great work, I enjoyed every minute of this review.
this movie is like a 3 hour long seizure.
For me personally it felt like I was being disected : D
I was surprised the casino planet and Benicio Del Toro didn't make it into the discussion.
Hmmm but are they worth the attention tho?
That should tell you how inconsequential they proved to be for the overall film.
Hands down, the best (and only positive) thing about this train wreck of a Disney "Star Wars" fanfic series are all the reviews and analysis videos that countless fans have made over the years, with each reviewer both more amusing and brutal than the last.
Who else cant help but LOVE watching people STILL shit all over this movie?
Its very therapeutic I feel!
Your great point around 25:00, I'd say it's even worse than Rian not delivering for the franchise. The movie is still his movie, and the things he set up himself he didn't even deliver on. It wasn't a failure because of the fandom, it was a failure of his own.
Art is really about two things, setting expectations and delivering on those expectations for an audience (which can even be just the artist himself). I think fan reactions where they claim to "deserve" certain outcomes are really mass reactions to this artistic failure. The audience doesn't deserve things because they bought action figures for twenty years, they deserve to have the expectations that the artist himself set up executed fully and effectively. "Subverting expectations" only really works in a few genres, and you know what those genres feature? The expectation that expectations will be subverted!