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I personally didn't like him that much. But I think that also just goes right back to how he's treated and portrayed. I *could* have liked him more. If he wasn't a walking joke. Or complaining. Or just screaming, "Rey!" 80 times.
And the ultimate irony is, its been nine years and Disney still have not made a profit on what they spent to buy and make the crap they have been making for the past nine years....And now they are unlikely to ever do so as the damage they have done is so bad.
@@Simon-xc5oy They would have been better off just starting from scratch and creating their own universe. Obviously stealing along the way, but much easier than buying a universe and setting about destroying it.
Finn’s problem can be summed up by two scenes Talking to Maz Kanata: you don’t know the first order like I do. We all need to run Then a day later: I have to be on the base to shut down the shield and save Rey. His entire motivation for the first half of the movie is to run and hide from the first order. Then he completely flip flops and wants to fight them. It’s just not believable.
Thing is, his motivation is summed up in the Maz sequence: "You looked at me like no one ever did." That alone represents his puppy dog attachment of an arc. First it started with Poe, who gave his puppy butt a name, but since he died, he had to fill that pet lover void when he met Rey. That's what some don't understand about his motivation, such as it is, in Last Jedi. They thought Finn had joined the Resistance when he was on Starkiller, when all he really did was follow Rey around while she joined the Resistance. Even the first thing he says in Last Jedi is "Where's Rey?".
Machine learning data input session 1: How to write a Mary Sue movie: A wrinkle in time: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily. She-Ra new cartoon: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily. The force awakens: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily. Machine learning data input session 2: How to write a JJ Abrahms movie: Star trek: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything. Star Trek into darkness: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything. Star Trek beyond: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything. The force Awakens: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything.
.. And partly in the 'Blindness' of hype and fad-hoppers. On a level that ruined, This, Franchise by ever paying for it. But that would take a shred of personal accountability, From those who paid for tickets..
And with every new prduction, they keep on bringing new lessons, it is like a permanent academic course, maybe if we take it like that, it might not feel like a fraud.
It's like buying a rare classic car and paying outrageous money. Then doing whatever possible to turn it into a hoopty. And then adding insult to injury by trying to convince everyone that loved that particular car that only old jerks like that car and you should stop liking that car immediately and embrace the hoopty! Or you are a racist homophobic boomer. No thanks, I'll stick with the classic. PS- Just discovered this channel and have to say I like it. I don't know if I can forgive you for making me think of the old hoopty I spent 9 years trying to forget. PPS- F Jar Jar Abrams! That POS destroyed the 2 greatest SCIFI franchises! Star Trek AND Star Wars. Hard to believe yet he managed to do it.
I'm still so salty about the fact that Jar Jar Abrahms had the opportunity to have a proper character reunion, but he was so caught up in building his own nothing-burger of a mystery box story that we didn't get a single shot of Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, R2-D2, and C-3PO together in the same room. He had the full squad of some of the most iconic and recognizable characters in film history to date at his disposal and didn't take advantage of it, and the opportunity was gone forever once Carrie Fisher passed away. I think that shows a serious lack of respect for the pop culture legacy that the Star Wars IP had.
"Jar Jar Abrahms had the opportunity to have a proper character reunion..." It was Darth Kennedy that nixed that idea, not Abrams. Not that I'm defending Jar-Jar Abrams. Oh, no, far from it.
Actually that’s not entirely true. He wrote a script of what was supposed to be the original plot of The Last Jedi, but left because he was working on other projects and left Rían Johnson to direct it. But he made so many changes of the film and as such is the reason why the sequels are hated now
@@adnanjusufovic5177 That's not true at all. Rian Johnson was already set to write and direct the second film when the first one was still being worked on. To the point that JJ changed the ending of his movie to match up with what Rian was doing, which he loved. Originally Luke was supposed to be surrounded by floating rocks as a call back to ESB, which was changed.
@@godofthecripples1237 Even if that’s true people even now to this day call Johnson as the one who ruined the last Jedi and from that day on so has the franchise as a whole. Hell even Sam Witwer, Darth Maul himself even agreed the fans that Rian was to blame. Not only that I just went to Wikipedia and I found nothing that says about Abrams at all and only Rian
I sort of thought it was an insipid reheat of a new hope, but was hoping they didn’t that just to suck general audiences back in and maybe they would actually make something decent for movies 2 and 3…boy was I mistaken.
I left thinking it was ok. Then I rewatched it a couple weeks later and started to feel worse. The more I thought about it after, the more I started to hate it. The only things I will ever give the sequels kudos for was that they had nice visuals and made me appreciate the prequels more.
That concept really bugged my when i saw tfa, if the republic was restored, shouldnt it have an standing army or fleet already? They are not hiding anymore
The New Republic would have made the story feel original and not completely thrown away the victory achieved in ROTJ. Of course that would have required original ideas, actual worldbuilding, and planning for more than one movie.
They retroactively made the New Republic a disaster post-Original Trilogy: An entity which went through a *massive* disarmament and decentralization-campaign after their Victory and had so many Empire-sympatizers (and Senators paid off by the First Order) in the Senate that its gouvernment was basically rendered completely ineffective and helpless against the rise of the FO. A development which makes *some* sense, I guess... but absolutely not one I'm a fan of. I mean, *this* is what the Rebels fought for? *This* is what so many people suffered and died for? *_This_*_ is the dream Saw told Jyn to save?_
IDEOLOGY. Disney is WOKE, and the WOKE narrative is always about being resistance or rebellion. But in Return of the Jedi the rebels won. They are now the system. So how did Disney solve this? Are we the rebels against another rebel group (first order) that is more powerful than the system (the republic) that is there, but is nowhere?
For me that surprising passage of time is because I forgot these movies existed. I never wanted to re-watch them. I never want to revisit this franchise.
I thought the temper tantrums were freaking childish. Darth Vader in the the OT was menacing. Kylo Ren was just a joke - even before his mask was removed. And Hux was another joke in the movie. I thought he was to young and the way he spoke I couldn't remotely take him serious.
For years I've had a couple really good friends say repeatedly that "JJ Abrams is a genius!" only for me to cringe into oblivion. His mystery box style of "storytelling" is just his way of masking how much of a hack he is.
The “mystery box” is nothing more than a cover for the fact that J.J. Abrams doesn’t have a clue about where he wants a story to go - he just keeps teasing the audience with a mystery while he tries to figure out how he wants to conclude the narrative!
He's great at throwing interesting questions into the first act of a story. He just needs other people to take over from there. He'd do great as part of a team if he just knew his place and stuck to his role.
People were like "the prequel trilogy is the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars" and I always disputed this but since the 3rd trilogy came out,... I won.
It had potential after The Force Awakens. However, Rian Johnson ruined Luke and Killed Snoke early. This influenced them to bring back Palpatine to simply have an antagonist in that movie. What a shame. It could’ve been better.
@@wastelanderone I like what they did there, but the rest of the story was just disappointment and garbage. Rotten Tomato reviews say so. Even The Rise of Skywalker had a decent rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to this.
9:43 - Literally, Leia gives a warm, emotional hug to a stranger she's never heard of. Leia, who lost her husband (killed by her own son moments ago). Read that you have friends and companions in danger. She ignores all of this to go and greet Rey (yuck).
Another thing I hate about the FA, is that we are set up with this Empire vs rebels again. Why are we starting over again? When we should have to the New Republic vs a remnant of the Empire( almost a reverse of the rolls from the Ot) or the New Republic vs some outside threat. Point being there should be some progress of the state of the galaxy from the OT to after.
Yes!! It's one of the biggest things that totally threw me for a loop and I was so confused. I don't understand the dang timeline AT ALL with the BS 7-9 movies. 😂🤦♀️ The just didn't even try. It was like the trifle that Rachel makes in Friends where two of the cookbook pages are stuck together so she makes half a dessert and half a Shepherd's pie haha. Mashed potatoes, whipped cream, bananas, beef, everything and the kitchen sink that doesn't go together lol.
Exactly, the best thing about the PT & the OT are the world building, which happens to be the one of the worst things about the ST. It's like they didn't even care.
I walked out of the theatre halfway through the movie... I knew what it was then. I just didn't know they'd go as far as giving her his name in the end of the 3rd. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present, Lukisha Skywalker.
9:30 Let’s not forget that Rey grew up on a desert planet where the largest water source was a literal troth for animals and somehow she knows how to SWIM
Oh jee yeah ! Fuck that is honestly a bigger plot hole than her knowing how to use the force : The force is a supernatural element and we don't really know how it works , However we know how swimming works , you don't fast cut it
Remember when the salty media tried to justify the garbage that was this movie with the logic that “well the prequels were hated when they first came out, but now they love it! It’ll happen when people grow up and look back on it.” 9 years later… and it’s even worse in hindsight than when it first came out
Abrams is a tool. The only reason he gets hired is because he can talk fast and has a team of people around him who can kind of make things happen for him. This video was amazing, thank you. Now go make more. Entertain me! I demand your funny transitions! MOAR!!
It's funny what you said about Finn and Poe, because in reality they spend not that much time together, but the entirety of the internet was fixed on them being best bros back then. Everyone had subconsciously reached the same conclusion, we just didn't know.
.. You all just didnt know. And paid for a movie and others after it that wrecked, Everything for the future of this franchise. Its on you guys forever.
Nutsa's line at 22:49-22:58 "I would pay to see the discourse between a man who does not have nearly enough ideas and a man who has so many of them if he tries to stand up he might sleep on one of them." That has to be the perfect description for both directors and one of the many reasons why the sequel trilogy fell apart so fast. Keep up the great Nutsa. Can't wait for Chapter 2. Hopefully, you use a rotting piece of fruit as well as an ode to the rotting watermelon.
There is something about the way JJ makes a movie that makes it watchable and enjoyable...ON A PURELY SURFACE LEVEL. Imagine pairing up that talent with some great writing, and someone to pull nack on his worst excesses of: lens flare, bigger is better, mystery box, filming 'cool' scenes before figuring out how they fit in the story etc. Well, we will just have to continue to imagine such a thing, won't we?
.. Too-little awareness, Too late. You all paid for the worst movie of the worst movie-franchise ever made in human history. Worse than turkish-anything movies, Worse than despair. And now the franchise has no real future. Congratulations.
TFA is like LAST ACTION HERO, where Rey, Finn and Poe seem like characters who watched the original trilogy and are cosplaying through the story beats in a filmed improv, as JJ shouts 'member this..?' with a megaphone at every opportunity. It is a love letter to the surface level bait without any vision, imagination, verve, nuance, depth or dignity. It nailed exactly all that Disney Star Wars would ever be... *somehow*
It’s more like a Star Wars Themed acid trip Once you inject yourself and the buzz is about to kick in you get a moment of sheer terror: you’re forced at gun point to shoot down civilians and some other stormtrooper you recall having a bond with dies and bleeds all over you. Then you calm down and find yourself chilling in a setting full of familiar imagery like a house made out of a fallen ATAT Then you fly the falcon, meet Han Solo(who is inexplicably STILL a smuggler and still wearing the same clothes) then you go to a bar and find Anakin Skywalkers lightsaber and then you have another low point You remember that your family hates you and then everything becomes the a much more dark and watered down version of the Death Star rescue and the Death Star assault both at once. Then Han Solo himself gets graphically skewered and falls off a bridge and then you get you spine hacked Then I guess the drugs ware off and you wake up and your spine is fine and you’re still a loser and your parents never loved you The End
@@KRobinson-ko1ne LOL. That was awesome. I was just going to say that the biggest point of agreement by the fans at the time was that each movie in the sequel trilogy coming out after Force Awakens made the previous movie worse in retrospect.
@@BungieStudios agreed. The only flaw with the prequels was bad writing that even George acknowledged but aside all that, they had great plots, characters, arcs, world building and were even further improved by subsequent media like Clone Wars and the expanded universe. Disney star wars has none of this
@@orboakin8074yep george may not have been good at writing good dialogue but the movies have great action and plots while disney star wars just has bland dialogue with bland action and nland plots.
I suspected this as well when they swapped the Solo kids for Kylo-Doofus. There was an amazing story where one of the kids trained with Boba Fett to take down her corrupted sith sibling. It was actually believable
I never understood of Finn ever managed to become a Stormtrooper. The supposed to be elite infantry of the Galactic Empire, and yet Finn managed to be even less competent than ur average Stormtrooper when our heroes are on screen.
The worst part about this trilogy is the fact that they could of let the old cast bow out gracefully and let them have their happy ending at the end of ROTJ. Instead of having a wholly unique cast and story, they recycled something a real screenwriter produced. No creativity No passion No soul No Star Wars
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks the Finn-Poe escape sequence is the brightest spot in the dung heap that is the Sequels. And as usual I'm reminded that Finn and Poe deserved much, much better than what they got.
I can't enjoy that part at all, because that's not how TIE Fighters work. They don't have atmosphere and life support, they don't have two seats back-to-back, they don't have gun turrets, they don't have hyperdrives, they aren't stored like that... every way you could possibly get something wrong about TIEs, JJ managed to put into his movies. Now, he could have created a TIE variant (like Star Wars always had done since the second movie), but then it wouldn't look identical to the TIE Fighter from A New Hope.
@@DZ-X3to be fair, this is a few decades after the OT, and this is a space fantasy, technology could have advanced quite a bit. With the absolute mountain of fundamental issues these films have, that seems like a bit of a nitpick.
Imagine if the series revolved around them trying to escape Jakku and they just randomly run into Rey and bargains with her to get off world but she realises that these two can help her get off the planet to find her parents.
@@Lok-TM The rear gun turrets and having an actual life support system can be handwaved as something new. The storage and launching system is less forgivable
I am a long time Star Wars and I fully agree with many takes I have seen over the years, or decades. Yes, the first trilogy is silly with a weird dismissal of "accidental incest", and the prequels has Padme become weak as shit (jesus christ, Portman had no right to have a character be so crappy), but Star Wars was never... grim and dark. The humor usually had good timing and context (Prequels slipped a few times with Jar Jar), but Disney's Star Wars did not get it right. Marvel levels of humor, with jokes in the worst contexts, hyper-shallow characters, inconsistent plot lines, and WAY TOO DRAMATIC. FUCK! WHAT HAPPENED TO LUKE? We can't even make memes out of the Sequels!
it becomes apparent with the utter disaster of Rey's illconceived character that she was written in after the fact. Fin was written to be the main character. A defecting stormtrooper, force-sensitive, teams up with Poe to be a sort of Reverse Han-Luke dynamic. But Kathleen (or equivalent) insisted upon making the lead a woman. I imagine it went something like this: "But Fin's black..doesn't that satisfy DEI?" "yeah but the force is female now, just make Fin a woman." "Fin's a Stormtrooper; they're all men" "make them women then...better yet, make the stormtrooper Commander guy Captain Phasma...make him a woman." "so make Finn and all the Stormtroopers women, as well as Captain Phasma?" "no...hmm..that might be too much...look, just leave all the characters the same, except Captain Phasma, make him a chick..all the characters stay the same...except, just make the scavenger guy on Jaku...Ray was it?...the guy who helps fin get off the Planet...change him to a chick...then just cut/paste all of the Jedi stuff from Fin...make that all Rey the Orphan Scavenger Girl Jedi stuff...she's the main character now, Fin can be her sidekick" "....and Poe?..." "yeah keep him in, just delete everything after the crash landing, this is Rey and Finn's story now" "you mean kill him off?" "sure, yeah, whatever, we can bring him back if we want later" "Ok, but how is Finn and Rey going to get off the planet, they will have to get a Pilot, Poe is the Pilot...and we can't just explain away a Janitor and an Orphan girl scavenger flying, much less performing all the crazy dogfights..." 'sure we can, she's a jedi, have you ever watched starwars?" "respectfully, ma'am, she's not a jedi" "luke wasn't a jedi when he destroyed the Death Star" "...yeah....but luke was a already a pilot...look, it's not a big deal, i can just rewrite Rey to being a shuttle driver or something you know, she doesn't have to be an orphan scavenger." "yes she does, she don't need no help from jedi, she don't need no licenses, she don't need no training or no man...she's the most powerful jedi in the universe, so she can do anything" "ok, well, i gotta get to rewrites and figure out a more cohesive back story for rey...." "whatever, just focus on making it lame and gay right now, we'll worry about backstory later"
0:51 Holy hell there’s just something so….i don’t know…the way the first minute was made made me long for an era of square tvs and buttons with not quite clear images
One of the worst parts of TFA is how much it relies in coincidence. It's just so ineptly written. It's actually a rarity that plot point A organically leads to B, which is storytelling 101, if not 001. Even in the sequence you praised, they crash land the ship - just by pure coincidence in walking distance from Rey's outpost. Which happens to be in rolling distance (for BB-8) from Lor San Tekka's outpost, who has the map to Luke Skywalker. Rey, who is a one in a billion force sensitive (and who it later turns out is the freaking granddaughter of Palpatine), lives by sheer coincidence that close to him. Anyway they crash land that close? Okay, let's say he could still maneuver the tie fighter enough to fly there - how? From memory? Did Poe perfectly recall the small speck of dirt among the giant desert planet to go there? There is no indication that he has a map on the TIE, nor that he is following a signal from BB-8, which would be easy fixes I thought of for that. You could even gain a character moment out of that last one, where he says something like "he didn't get everything from me" and explains that he has the frequency for BB-8's signal, showing that he has strength of will to resist, but that he also feels a bit guilty for giving anything away, etc. See how you can even profit like that when you just write a better script, JJ? Okay, let's assume he has a map and he could get there when he crashed - how did Finn know where to go? He certainly didn't have access to something like that, so what gives? Finn picked a random direction to walk in and happened to end up in the same outpost Rey is, which is the same outpost BB-8 ended up in. Also, the jacket flew off of Poe and Finn found it, leading to BB-8 recognizing it. The entire movie is like this. One 1 in a million chance after the next, just "then B happens, then C happens, then D happens" and each more unlikely than the next. Just terribly written all around.
Exactly like star trek 2009 and into darkness by jj abrams. The whole plot featured so much koinkidink and all of it took place within like 5 days. There is zero appreciation of the world building and characters because the story couldn’t wait to finish itself.
This is only scratching the surface of coincidences. My favourite bit is what follows: Rey and Finn's ship gets blown up and the ship they happen to choose just happens to be the Falcon. They escape from Jakku, eliminating the only two TIE-Fighers present, even though the First Order is supposed to have the Planet on Lockdown considering they *know* the Map they seek is still on the Planet (and I think a Star Destroyer is still in Orbit). The Falcon's Hyperdrive Engines are offline, so they are easy prey. But it isn't the FO who finds them, its Han and Chewie who have been looking for the Falcon for years and are coincidentally in the same area. And just minutes later, Han's ship is boarded by not one but *two* Rival Gangs who have been looking for _him_ because he screwed them over. This entire movie is barely held together by pure chance, luck and coincidence and it falls apart the instant you give it more than a little bit of thought.
@@derworfnetI really disliked the idea that the Falcon would have been “lost” after playing a pivotal role in the defeat of the Empire. You would think that it, along with Luke’s X-Wing would have been put on permanent display on Coruscant.
For me, the most telling quote about the movie was from Michael Arndt who did some writing on the film: “Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy’s ass. It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012.” “It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f-k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’” It's telling that Arndt, Kasdan, and Abrams didn't then go "Oh, maybe we should make a better main character" but rather "we should just not include Luke."
It's a good quote but I take something different from it. I think one of the bigger missteps was trying to include the OT characters in there at all because they would swallow the audiences investment, attention, and critique. Contrast with another Abrams film, Star Trek 2009 which did a SIGNIFICANTLY better job balancing the new and old characters. Wtf happened JJ?
@@jiggycalzone8585 A fair point. It's Indicative of one of the many issues with Disney Star Wars which is their desire to forge their own path, yet also harvest all the memberberries at the same time. Many of the sequels problems are solved by simply setting it a couple hundred years after ROTJ, but they wanted the sweet sweet monies that including Han, Luke, & Leia brought.
This quote has bugged me from the moment I first read it because it implies that they knew no other way to include Luke except an attention- and spotlight grabbing one. I mean, they could've handled Luke like Lucas handled Yoda in Ep.I: He gets mentioned a few times earlier in the movie and when we finally do get to see him, his reintroduction is almost casual: He's just _there,_ sitting on the council, doing his Job. No dramatic closeup, no swelling music. Its just the Movie telling us: "Of couse Yoda is around at this time. Here he is. Lets move on." I'm convinced they could have handled Luke in a similar, more discreet fashion.
I am reminded about of all things, Apollo Justice. it was meant to be a soft reboot with new characters, but the moment Phoenix Wright, the protagonist of the original series showed up, I lost interest in Apollo. The series had to do a ton of heavy lifting to get me to be interested in him, but the first game barely gave him a character.
I remember walking out of the theatre seeing TFA with a disappointed feeling. I didn't care for the film, but EVERYONE around me was happy and elated. I went home and got on RUclips to watch reviews and it was nothing but praise/adoration. Was I the one in the wrong? I had convinced myself that they would explain more in later movies but i was so incredibly wrong.
When it was first released in theaters, I joined a watch party with some of my coworkers and their plus ones. Most of us, myself included, were happy and elated, save for one of my co-workers. The next day at work, he discussed the problems he had with the movie. I appreciated his point of view, but still enjoyed the movie nonetheless, to the point that I purchased the Blu Ray upon release. All that changed when I watched TLJ. Suddenly, I realized: he was right. TLJ permanently ruined TFA for me. The only reason why I enjoyed the film before was because it was the first major Star Wars film since 2005, and I had low expectations.
The reason Finn doesn't make sense as a character is because he's a variation on Han Solo, going through a similar arc. The problem is that he's not motivated by money, but by cowardice, and so his action of returning to Starkiller Base [to rescue Rey, who he barely knows] makes no real sense, and Rey unlike Luke has no father to avenge or friends to join in the rebellion, so her decision to help BB8 feels contrived. And Poe, the combination of Leia's rebel leader and Han's piloting skills has nothing to overcome, and never even meets Rey, because Old Han is filling in that part.
Han is motivated about surviving: he has a hit on him by an influential hutt and he meets a couple of losers willing to go with his price gouging He has the decency to instinctively go out of his way to save a total stranger from a diagona and says things that sound selfish out of spite but are still hyperbolic The point is, like Tracy Morgan said, he acts like he doesn’t care but he does That’s sort of like Finn but Finn is mostly abandoned and either way why introduce Han Solo when Han Solos own story is still going on It’s not supposed to be a remake It’s supposed to be a sequel
@@Dzumeister TLJ was contrived and boring nonsense. But that's irrelevant to what was wrong with TFA. Finn in TLJ goes on a boring and worthless side quest because Rian wanted to smash Rey & Kylo together. None of it is interesting, imaginative or rewarding.
A person who has been taken from his parents at the age of two and brainwashed to serve an evil empire would not turn out to have a personality like Finn or be the bumbling incompetent soldier that he was portrayed as. The writers liked the idea of a brainwashed Imperial trooper. So they put it in the story, but didn’t want to do the work to develop it. He wouldn’t be like Han. His personality would be closer to that of a German SS officer in Hitler’s youth group. And even if he was questioning the rightness of what he was doing, it would not be an easy or a quick process for him to change. You don’t get over two decades of that kind of mind conditioning in the space of a day. He’d probably still be cold and frightening to people and his actions would at times still border on uncomfortable to those around him, if not outright extreme. The problem is called lazy writing, which is why it’s no wonder that by TLJ Finn had morphed into the Death Star’s janitor. And in ROS he had been reduced to reminding the audience what the main character’s name was by shouting it every ten seconds, probably because the writers knew that more than half the audience thought it was Mary Sue. You want to call that a character arc, be my guest. It’s not my idea of one. A more believable backstory for Ben would have been that he had a happy, stable home life up until he was in his teens. But after he refused military service, the First Order killed his family and threatened to kill him if he didn’t answer the call. He was cowardly. So he did what they wanted. After losing his friend, however, his conscience would no longer let him support a government who had done such things to the people he loved, but he was still a coward. So the only thing he tried to do was run away. His character arc could have been a quest to find the courage to stand up to the people who had murdered his family, perhaps partially motivated by the sympathy he felt when he saw what the same evil empire had done to other families, like witnessing Han being killed by his own son.
@@Ruylopez778But without that sidequest how would we know Rian Johnson thinks war profiteering, animal cruelty and child slavery are bad? It takes a brave man to have such controversial stances on hot button issues.
I hated The Force Awakens while everyone else was still giving it excuses. Then The Last Jedi came out and everyone blamed that movie for all the problems that already existed in TFA. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. It's SO BAD.
I suddenly remembered that they never explained how Poe survived or made it back to the Resistance. The first movie already pulled the "Somehow Poe returned" move
And the worst part is that the Sequel Trilogy had all the right ingredients for a great new Star Wars story, but no one was competent enough to cook all of it properly. Finn and Kylo Ren could have been legendary characters.
Heck Rey could have been a great protagonist if she’d been competently written. IMO what should have been done with her is introduce her as Luke’s padawan, so she’d already be skilled in the force because of spending years training with a master. Then have the two of them run into Fin, have Luke discover Fin’s force sensitive and start to train him while the two begin to investigate why a stormtrooper would even exist post Empire. They’d need to give her a personality of course with some flaws that could be overcome over the course of the trilogy.
It's sad because the sequels had potential. The Force Awakens had potential. Rey had potential. I still think that Reys intro was a great scene with good atmosphere, and music. I was looking forward to learn more about her or Finn or the First Order. Too bad there never was anything to learn.
Actually.... Han Solo does not agree to help Obi-Wan and Luke rescue the Princess. They have no idea that she has been captured. He agrees to transport them to Alderaan with "no Imperial entanglements". Which makes it even more realistic.
@@arafat2924 "They're gonna kill her!" "Better her than me!" "She's rich." "Rich?" "Rich, powerful. Listen, if you were to rescue her the reward would be..." "What?" "Well more wealth than you can imagine." "I dunno, I can imagine quite a a bit."
@@albertthepeacock8020 In my subjective opinion, they are hollow, cynical, contrived, nostalgia bait nonsense, devoid of imagination, nuance, vision and depth. They are - worst of all - boring and undermine the work of Lucas. They personify what is wrong with modern media, and the way Lucasfilm attacked and smeared fans was tone deaf, pathetic and hypocritical. But the gaslighting from access media shows that the sequels did perfect the notion of making shit content and blaming the audience, as we've seen imitated by LOTR, Dr Who, He-Man, Terminator, Star Trek, Ghostbusters and every other franchise they don't understand. So don't lecture me on what "entertainment" is, thanks.
The only good thing that can be said about the new trilogy, is that it provoked the birth of brilliant and funny videos like yours. Please keep making them, i loved your lines, your analysis and your montage.
12:29 Finn risked T R I L L I O N S for a girl he met yesterday. One of the greatest flops of TLJ and retroactively TFA was the timeline between films. Both of these films happen over the course of a week. Edit: Kyle XD
List of things Kathleen Kennedy has ruined: . Star Wars . Indiana Jones . JJ Abrams' career . Game of Thrones (offered Weiss and Benioff a fortune to rush the last season of GoT to write on SW)
@19:25 This guy here, with the glasses. That's Rick Carter, an Oscar winning Production designer (Avatar, BTTF, Jurassic Park). If you read the Art of Force Awakens book he lobbied to work on TFA, and then he spent the days working on it acting like Steve Jobs walking around Skywalker Ranch "inspiring" people by asking questions like "Who is Luke Skywalker" and "What is the Force" and prattling on about "walking dream states", "deep creative mindsets" and "collective unconscious", "guided imagery" and "breaking the walls of imagination" like some fucking new age guru. He wasted time playing word association type games with Kiri Hart and Pablo Hidalgo or would print out stills from Kurosawa movies then had the art department people try to tell stories by rearranging their order, like kids in a kindergarten. He got paid for this, then when the production was about to start he had another guy take over from him and do the heavy lifting part of the production designer job like building sets. Coupled with Abrams being brainwashed by Simon Pegg into thinking that Lawrence Kasdan is some genius that saved poor Star Wars from crazy ol' man Lucas by shilling Plinkett reviews. Up to that point Kasdan was collecting dust under a mountain of Silverado DVDs in some Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse since the 90s. And Kasdan himself strutting around Hollywood like he came up with Han Solo, when honestly all the Han Solo character development was done in New Hope, and all he did in ESB was pester Leia for a kiss in a hermetically sealed ship. Fun fact, he hated the I love you/I know line from ESB, cause that's not how he wrote it in the script. These f**ckers barely even finished the script in time to shoot, they had no idea for a story, had to visit the art departement to look at drawings of Luke being buried in the sand to be inspired. JJ wasn't itching for a chance to tell his SW idea. He didn't pester Lucas for years to give him a chance. He was minding his own business, sitting on his living room floor building a fort out of his Cloverfield money and then he got a call from Kennedy. He had nothing scheduled, might as well do a Star Wars while you are at it. More money for the north-west citadel of his dollar fort.
The opening line in TFA is the most arrogant line in the history of cinema. 'This is being to make things right' JJ admitted was a dig at the prequels.
That's what so many throathurt fanbabies wanted, for Disneyfilm to justify their fandumb and save them from their "rAyPd cHyLdHuUdS". They deserve the sequels most of all.
If I had to rewrite the entirety of the Sequel Trilogy, I'd make it an inversion of the dramatic and thematic beats of the Prequel Trilogy- the story of a Republic overthrown by might, but whose moral and spiritual authority remained intact, leading to the First Order's ultimate destruction despite their rapid victories in the field.
Algorithm was kind enough to throw this up, had a lot of laughs. After all the serious political and social discourse and back and forth about modern Disney Star Wars, it's so refreshing just to see a video which leaves it all aside and doesn't hold back.
My nephews and niece saw it before I did. On the opening day. I requested that they didn't give me any plot details. They didn't struggle at all. They saw it and didn't have the irrepressible desire to act out scenes. I had the suspicion that it sucked. When I did see it in the cinema, I was underwhelmed, but noticed that the children who had attended the screening filed out with a complete lack of emotion. I'm too young for the original series. But I remember going to the cinema and watching Mission Impossible and Independence Day. With Mission Impossilbe I was probably humming the song for days. Children upon seeing a film tend to want to reenact scenes. They don't contain their excitement. The sombre faces filing out of The force Awakens seemed damning. Letting Po live was cheap. The ground splitting after Rey walked to her inevitable victory was cheap. And was this the one with 'a story for another time'. A mystery has to tease you and drop enough details to keep you invested. As a standard example of a macguffin, you have a locked suitcase. you don't know what's in it. But maybe you get to see how people react to the contents. If the KGB is chasing the box, you can extrapolate what in it. JJ didn't provide enough clues to indicate that he had a plan. When Ryan took over, there weren't enough narrative threads and clues to prevent him from saying "the box doesn't matter. I'm a genius and now you're going to get crystal foxes that save the day". Disney has to admit there wasn't a plan OR they let the next guy rip it to shreds because they don't know what they're doing.
I remember not even carring looking at Star Wars 8 because 7 was that dissapointing The only goo'd Star Wars under Disney that everyone agree with is Rogue One
It amazes me in all these years how folks did not take real notice of the "force is female" crap Kennedy and Abrams were selling on this movie. I noticed and have never watched the Disney trilogy, because it's pretty obvious what they were aiming for. The drone consumers sure wasted so much money away for this trilogy. 😏🤭
This was REALLY the best critique of this "movie" I have ever heard. You are very good! You sound so young, but then I'm in my 70's and everyone under 40 sounds young to me. :) It's unfortune that Abrams will never see this video. You could teach him something.
"the force awakens is inoffensive" first time i watched it in theaters, i was freaking offended. They regressed Han's character, separated him and Leia, and then killed him off unceremoniously and irreverently. Then they gave Rey knowledge she shouldn't have had, and had her beat on her FIRST TRY the big baddie who was trained by the most powerful light user and dark user AND also the bloodline of Anakin Skywalker who was biologically a child of the force. We fans came up with plenty of theories for her but la de da we got burned for that now didn't we. The Last Jedi trailer was enough to make me quit Disney. The Mandalorian made me come back and then Book of Boba made me leave again. Not going back again. Even if they actually make something good, it will be too tainted by association.
@@kalashnikovdevilif you find yourself with a free afternoon, I would recommend sailing the high seas at least to watch andor. Can't promise you will like it but it does absolutely no damage to anything in the OT or prequels. Unlike pretty much everything else from Disney.
I think people just appreciate the prequels more for what they are. Episode 1 and 2 are still as bad as I remember, maybe even worse watching them now as an adult. I also still see people regarding them as the worse out of all films. Episode 3 is still my favorite Star Wars movie tho
@Cho0segoose agreed, at this stage it's very easy to see the narrative through-line lucas was going for and appreciate the era it expanded on and gave way to expanded media But that doesn't save the movies by a long shot, they're horrid
@@Cho0segoosecuriously but in my country prequels were never hated. I also never thought of them as bad movies. But we had a good dubbing that fixed dialogue to an extent
It's more sad how drone consumers wasted so much money for this crap trilogy. Was it too hard to take notice of the "force is female" crap they were aiming for? 😏🤭
My gut reaction to that title was "shut the fuck up, the force awakens was not NINE years ago. Oh my god. Oh my god the force awakens was nine years ago."
Gets worse: it came out the same year I graduated high school. ...having _this_ be new standard by which the Internet marks the passage of time...? Just _super._
By all accounts, 2024 to 2034 is going to feel like 5 minutes compared to 2015 to 2024. Here's a movie quote I'll never forget: "They say if you slow your breathing, time slows down."
I’m pissed that they teased Finn becoming a Jedi in the trailer and it ends up being about Rey. A Stormtrooper defecting, coming to learn of the Force, joining the Rebellion, and facing off again his former commander is a great story.
"...so inoffensive, it's insulting" and "like a poop on top of a lamppost, it's intriguing shit" are brilliant lines. I intend to quote them frequently. Thank you.
When I first saw Force Awakens, that 5 minute sequence with Finn and Poe escaping the Star Destroyer really sold me on the film. Their chemistry was so good, and it reminded me of the chemistry between the main 3 characters in the OT. Especially after the Prequels, which - love them or hate them - featured mostly very stoic Jedi characters, the chemistry between Finn and Poe was really refreshing to see at the time. But after watching the whole movie, and especially after watching it a second time, it came off to me as massively over-rated. I still gave it the benefit of the doubt... until the Last Jedi came out. After that I basically just checked out of Star Wars, like many other people.
I will never ever understand that. Finn's scenes were absolutely idiotic. Dude gets ptsd for his fellow soldier dying, then right after he turns on them and mass murders them while cracking jokes. Absolute brainrot
I dont give a single shit about star wars anymore but the kid in the back of my head that loved the early to late 2000s games and prequel films would say that they really fucked it up and it’s absolutely disgraceful Star wars was the first to fall too, then came halo, then the witcher, etc
Marvel Comics fell first. That was the easiest industry for these hacks to weasel in on. Hilariously Marvel Studios flatlined when trying to introduce the same characters a few years later. Caprain Marvel? Shuri? Riri Williams? America Chavez? Blacktain America? _They already knew the characters didn't work._ Doing something that had already failed in one medium and trying it again in a much bigger, more expensive medium is seriously one of the mast baffling decisions ever.
Love your channel, your opinion and your bullseye hitting reviews. Please keep it up. We need more grounded, intelligent reviewers like you. Until then, you are a limited edition that I will be sure to collect. Thank you
In the ''singe nest ding'' of this movie, you forgot that Phinn or whatever it's name is, it's literally killing troopers like him and enjoying it. Xd 16:21
Im pretty sure Finn was inspired by Kyle Katarn - former stormtrooper who joined the rebelion and under Luke Skywalker became a Jedi. In EU there was also Alpha, a clone who was given this name by Anakin, quoting Wookiepedia: " It was then that Anakin, uncomfortable with calling him simply "clone," after the ARC tell him his designation, named the trooper "Alpha"."
I had my issues with Katarn I feel like his story should have just ended at dark forces Im the biggest Jedi sympathizer(#thejediwereright #myallegianceistotherepublic #fordemocracy) and even I didn’t think that basically EVERYONE in the EU had to be a Jedi
@@KRobinson-ko1neNot sure where being a Jedi sympathizer came into all of this considering that Katarn was after the original order. Luke’s order was far better than the original and could actually bring more Jedi to the front to make them the strongest they’ve ever been. Katarn’s relationship with Luke was also well established in later installments, and he was well deserving of his battlemaster rank.
Your absolutely right about the spoonfeeding info aspect. If Snoke told Kylo "The ball is on your father's ship" we could've pieced it together. But he has to spell it tf out. "The Droid is aboard the Mulenium Falcon, your father's ship. With your father, Han Solo." Or something (sorry for my bad spelling
Posting before the channel blows up to say I repped Nutsa before everyone else got here. You may genuinely have the most refreshing take on Disney Star Wars I’ve seen since the release of this movie.
Holy crap, what you said around 6:50, that is the exact issue I had with Abrams' Mission Impossible. It just seemed like a huge joke. But if I looked at it in a way where I "bought in" it didn't seem that way. It must be a feature of Abrams movies. That is total artistic failure if I've ever seen it.
True. All of it. TFA was a mid movie that gave many of us hope. I forgived its flaws when it came out because I was hopeful for what was comming. I have been a Star Wars fan since I was 8, when my uncle rented episodes IV - VI for VHS and I watched these old movies with funny special effects. My uncle told me "These special effects were amazing when this movies came out. There was NOTHING like this back then" and I believed him. But, I fell in love with SW not because of the special effects, but because of the story and characters. Then, many years later I watch TFA, full of hope for what this new story can bring. That's it. A mid movie with no originality or creativity that works more as a promise for something that MAY be, but with very little to no credit in itself. I realized all of this after watching episode VIII, and seeing how something I believed to be impossible became a reality: It was possible for me to dislike a Star Wars movie. More on that when you release your video for the bext movie but I will say this, episode VII became nothing to me after the promise or hope for the future was destroyed with ep VIII. Today, I can't even bring myself to watch TFA. It just feels like a trailer for something that doesn't exist.
You're right. Force Awakens is basically a 2 hour trailer for "what's gonna happen when Rey meets Luke?" It might have worked better if that was just the first half of third of a movie.
Truly is a broken promise of what was to come. Unrelated, where was the “misogynist backlash” when TFA and rogue one happened? It’s a bullcrap excuse that has never worked, made to defend the real villain of the story. Our so-called “hatred” is just showing that we CARE about the future of Star Wars. While the creators themselves are the ones who actually don’t. Otherwise, this would never be a problem.
The first 30 minutes of TFA are watchable for me, the introduction for Rey especially I mean the first 5 minutes of establishing her character and surroundings it’s fine. Probably cause there’s no dialogue and it’s just showing not telling where she lives, her struggle to get food and take care of herself it’s all well done…..Then after that it’s crap. Finns intro was good, and his escape with Po had some good energy. But after 30 minutes it’s down hill from there, empire 2.0 v rebels 2.0 Death Star 3.0, useless republic gets destroyed making the ot meaningless, no Jedi and Luke is away being a bitch. We know the rest, but the first 30 minutes of TFA are pretty good.
As a Nigerian fan of Star Wars since childhood, I am done with disney star wars. All the bad writing, toxic identity politics and antagonism towards fans has just worn me down😒 but i have rediscovered Lucas era shows and movies (currently rewatching Clone Wars by Filoni and Tartakovsky😊👍) and i am now buying the EU novels and loving them❤ The only post-disney stuff i like are Fallen Order and Rogue One. The only ways i twnd to enjoy disney star wars is from watching channels like yours and Mauler make video essays about it😂
It's nice to hear that it's not just "toxic white guys" who are dismayed about what's been done to Star Wars (and so many other franchises). I experienced the same joy of rediscovery you did but with Star Trek. After trying to watch some of the new crap I went back and watched the shows I grew up with (The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine) and they were _so good._ After watching Discovery it was just nice to have a main character that did something other than cry and talk in a whisper about her feelings.
@@BiggieTrismegistus thanks friend 👍 Funny enough, your experience with Star Trek is similar to mine except I had no prior exposure. I tried the Kelvin timeline stuff and hated it. Then, a friend of mine from Canada (he's white) actually introduced me to the old shows and I became an instant fan!
First time I have encountered this channel. This video was excellent. I had forgotten how bad episode 7 was. Episodes 8 and 9 were so poor it tricked me into thinking episode 7 was good.
You hit the nail on just about everything you spoke about. If I had to pinpoint my issues with the sequel trilogy, it's this lack of genuinity that permeates these 3 films. In every scene, everyone is excessively excited, confrontational, up-in-your-face and there's very little time spent on people reflecting or seeing the moral lesson/virtue in what they've experienced. This is because they decided to go with a more energetic sense of comedy, despite the fact that the characters and the background history of the main cast would not allow them to be so "cheery" with each other. One is a cocky fighter pilot, one is a brainwashed child soldier, and one is an orphaned, friendless scavenger. None of their personalities reflect their interaction with each other. They're the main cast, and has to get along, but they didn't think to create tension to build upon it. So many of the scenes are made to get the characters from A to B, trying to set up so many plot points without having the resolve to make these scenes carry themselves. Look back to the original trilogy. Most scenes are doing something beyond just explaining why they're where they're at, or what they have to do. The highs and lows are human, and Star Wars is at its best when the characters are their lowest, because it's from that you get to see their personality shine through so they can overcome them, or lose and go on to reflect on their failures. The sequel movies has got none of this, because the none of the characters are put into the hard place of doing the hard, right thing over the easy but selfish thing. Even the MCU had this nailed down pre-Endgame. Character growth was informed by the lessons learned through failure. The First Order is a complete joke. Every hero is only as great as their villain, and you can feel the director's hands pushing revitalization juice into their decrepit veins every time they demonstrate (once again) that their incompetence should have made it impossible for them to reach this far. This is why not even the current Star Wars TV shows can redeem them. All they're being set up to with the whole Shadow Council and Project Necromancer is that they're a babbling, bumbling band of baboons messing up the sacrifices and work of their predecessors. The contrast to this is Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which expanded and reframed Lucas' vision to, well not fix, but redeem the prequel movies. It's why the prequel trilogy on their own is still a mess, but is enriched with the context of the later TV shows.
EDIT: Part 2 -The Last Jedi out: ruclips.net/video/zvYsFZDWXPY/видео.htmlsi=2YtNI-m5Wy0rhBLB
My days have been just a haste of jumping back and forth between a render button and my final exam papers hehe
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Cool video. Shows you put in a lot of work. Consider making one of those about Acolyte. VERY low hanging fruit 😉
thanks for the analysis, JJ bro ruined my life
Is it me or is Blue Monday playing in the background?
All the best for your final exams!
For the algorithm 💪
I had such high hopes for Fin. They took such a great idea for a character and turned him into a walking joke
Same here. He could have been so good!! He had potential...
I personally didn't like him that much. But I think that also just goes right back to how he's treated and portrayed.
I *could* have liked him more. If he wasn't a walking joke. Or complaining. Or just screaming, "Rey!" 80 times.
Still probably the biggest waste of potential Disney ever had. Boyega is a very talented actor, but Disney made his the "REEEEEY" guy
And wasted his potential in first 5 minutes. He just becomes a complete rebel and happily kills his former comrades after one talk to Poe...
Ahem… “REEEEEEEEYYYYY!!!!!”
No way it’s been 9 years. Time really flies when you’ve accepted that a franchise is dead.
And the ultimate irony is, its been nine years and Disney still have not made a profit on what they spent to buy and make the crap they have been making for the past nine years....And now they are unlikely to ever do so as the damage they have done is so bad.
@@Simon-xc5oy They would have been better off just starting from scratch and creating their own universe. Obviously stealing along the way, but much easier than buying a universe and setting about destroying it.
Time has been moving much faster ever since the CERN large hadron collider came online in 2008.
@@BoleDaPolePlease be joking, please, please...
Finn’s problem can be summed up by two scenes
Talking to Maz Kanata: you don’t know the first order like I do. We all need to run
Then a day later: I have to be on the base to shut down the shield and save Rey.
His entire motivation for the first half of the movie is to run and hide from the first order. Then he completely flip flops and wants to fight them.
It’s just not believable.
Thing is, his motivation is summed up in the Maz sequence: "You looked at me like no one ever did." That alone represents his puppy dog attachment of an arc. First it started with Poe, who gave his puppy butt a name, but since he died, he had to fill that pet lover void when he met Rey. That's what some don't understand about his motivation, such as it is, in Last Jedi. They thought Finn had joined the Resistance when he was on Starkiller, when all he really did was follow Rey around while she joined the Resistance. Even the first thing he says in Last Jedi is "Where's Rey?".
Cringe levels of simping for sure.
It's the type of arc that would usually require half a movie (minimum) to make believable - but nah!!
Machine learning data input session 1: How to write a Mary Sue movie:
A wrinkle in time: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily.
She-Ra new cartoon: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily.
The force awakens: An abandoned girl starts a quest for no reason, learns that she has powers she masters without training and defeats the villain easily.
Machine learning data input session 2: How to write a JJ Abrahms movie:
Star trek: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything.
Star Trek into darkness: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything.
Star Trek beyond: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything.
The force Awakens: A bad man has a powerful ship and wants to destroy everything.
@@josepablolunasanchez1283 uh wow 🤣
Disney’s StarWars has become an academic case study on how NOT to manage a Brand after an acquisition.
.. And partly in the 'Blindness' of hype and fad-hoppers. On a level that ruined, This, Franchise by ever paying for it. But that would take a shred of personal accountability, From those who paid for tickets..
And with every new prduction, they keep on bringing new lessons, it is like a permanent academic course, maybe if we take it like that, it might not feel like a fraud.
It's like buying a rare classic car and paying outrageous money. Then doing whatever possible to turn it into a hoopty. And then adding insult to injury by trying to convince everyone that loved that particular car that only old jerks like that car and you should stop liking that car immediately and embrace the hoopty! Or you are a racist homophobic boomer.
No thanks, I'll stick with the classic.
PS- Just discovered this channel and have to say I like it. I don't know if I can forgive you for making me think of the old hoopty I spent 9 years trying to forget.
PPS- F Jar Jar Abrams! That POS destroyed the 2 greatest SCIFI franchises! Star Trek AND Star Wars. Hard to believe yet he managed to do it.
Everything they touch is nearly ruined. Not ALL, but most franchises they tackle end up in the dumpster.
It was NINE YEARS AGO?
Oh my god I am old
8 ½ FFS. It was released in December 2015.
That's the first thing I thought!
I'm afraid it's been... nine years
I graduated high school in 2015. Just send me to the cemetery already. 🫠
Man...
I'm still so salty about the fact that Jar Jar Abrahms had the opportunity to have a proper character reunion, but he was so caught up in building his own nothing-burger of a mystery box story that we didn't get a single shot of Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie, R2-D2, and C-3PO together in the same room. He had the full squad of some of the most iconic and recognizable characters in film history to date at his disposal and didn't take advantage of it, and the opportunity was gone forever once Carrie Fisher passed away. I think that shows a serious lack of respect for the pop culture legacy that the Star Wars IP had.
He destroyed movie Star Trek too. I should have known, but I was all "No way he does this twice, Disney wouldn't let him right? Right....?"
"Jar Jar Abrahms had the opportunity to have a proper character reunion..." It was Darth Kennedy that nixed that idea, not Abrams. Not that I'm defending Jar-Jar Abrams. Oh, no, far from it.
Actually that’s not entirely true. He wrote a script of what was supposed to be the original plot of The Last Jedi, but left because he was working on other projects and left Rían Johnson to direct it. But he made so many changes of the film and as such is the reason why the sequels are hated now
@@adnanjusufovic5177 That's not true at all. Rian Johnson was already set to write and direct the second film when the first one was still being worked on. To the point that JJ changed the ending of his movie to match up with what Rian was doing, which he loved. Originally Luke was supposed to be surrounded by floating rocks as a call back to ESB, which was changed.
@@godofthecripples1237 Even if that’s true people even now to this day call Johnson as the one who ruined the last Jedi and from that day on so has the franchise as a whole. Hell even Sam Witwer, Darth Maul himself even agreed the fans that Rian was to blame. Not only that I just went to Wikipedia and I found nothing that says about Abrams at all and only Rian
Watched E7 in a theater with my brother in 2015. While I left the cinema feeling uneasy, he was FURIOUS.
I left the theater in the middle of the movie.
I remembered thinking “oh it’s just A new hope again” and not being optimistic.
I sort of thought it was an insipid reheat of a new hope, but was hoping they didn’t that just to suck general audiences back in and maybe they would actually make something decent for movies 2 and 3…boy was I mistaken.
I left thinking it was ok. Then I rewatched it a couple weeks later and started to feel worse. The more I thought about it after, the more I started to hate it. The only things I will ever give the sequels kudos for was that they had nice visuals and made me appreciate the prequels more.
That was me too, i remember feeling scammed a a third of the way into the "movie". It just felt hollow and like nothing
I genuinely cannot see the words "Somehow" related to Star Wars in the same way ever again.
They somehow now??
Weirdest thing about the film is that there is a rebellion. Why? What happened to the republic?
That concept really bugged my when i saw tfa, if the republic was restored, shouldnt it have an standing army or fleet already? They are not hiding anymore
From what we've seen in Ahsoka the New Republic was an absolute shitshow.
The New Republic would have made the story feel original and not completely thrown away the victory achieved in ROTJ. Of course that would have required original ideas, actual worldbuilding, and planning for more than one movie.
They retroactively made the New Republic a disaster post-Original Trilogy: An entity which went through a *massive* disarmament and decentralization-campaign after their Victory and had so many Empire-sympatizers (and Senators paid off by the First Order) in the Senate that its gouvernment was basically rendered completely ineffective and helpless against the rise of the FO.
A development which makes *some* sense, I guess... but absolutely not one I'm a fan of. I mean, *this* is what the Rebels fought for? *This* is what so many people suffered and died for? *_This_*_ is the dream Saw told Jyn to save?_
IDEOLOGY.
Disney is WOKE, and the WOKE narrative is always about being resistance or rebellion. But in Return of the Jedi the rebels won. They are now the system. So how did Disney solve this?
Are we the rebels against another rebel group (first order) that is more powerful than the system (the republic) that is there, but is nowhere?
I remember when everyone was hyped for new Star Wars content. Now it's just a thing that exists.
Doesn't help that there's a new 1 hour episode of something, twice a week now. Boba Fett, Mando, Acolyte, Kenobi, Tales, Visions, Andor, Ahsoka, etc
Its over man
It doesn't help with how many shill there are trying to hype up actual garbage that keeps pumping out.
And man, you can tell how fake they are
@@Espartanicathe tv series are done by guys like favreau
Had force awakens had been done by him in the first place itd probably been better imo
@@dogpd3can't forgive him for the lion king, but even then I agree
What's even worse is the realization that that was almost a decade ago
.. All the warnings were THERE (YOU were all warned) And ignored ALL of it, Just to feel good from a wretched, Unwatchable HARMFUL movie like this.
For me that surprising passage of time is because I forgot these movies existed. I never wanted to re-watch them. I never want to revisit this franchise.
@@MattExzy Whoever paid for the forced-anus-awakens helped destroy it.. So thats not surprising that you feel that way.
I'll say it; I really loved Kylo's early temper tantrums. Pre-face reveal Kylo was awesome.
I bet you did - For him and a movie so awful that it destroyed the franchise. But who would expect any different response from you fad hoppers..
there were so many things that could have turned out awesome, but disney squandered it all
@@kackdackel9170 .. Its called 'Evil,' Son. +
I thought the temper tantrums were freaking childish. Darth Vader in the the OT was menacing. Kylo Ren was just a joke - even before his mask was removed. And Hux was another joke in the movie. I thought he was to young and the way he spoke I couldn't remotely take him serious.
@@nodlimax They were childish! He was out of control. That aspect went away as soon as Josh Groban was revealed and never came back.
For years I've had a couple really good friends say repeatedly that "JJ Abrams is a genius!" only for me to cringe into oblivion. His mystery box style of "storytelling" is just his way of masking how much of a hack he is.
He’s more machine now than man
The “mystery box” is nothing more than a cover for the fact that J.J. Abrams doesn’t have a clue about where he wants a story to go - he just keeps teasing the audience with a mystery while he tries to figure out how he wants to conclude the narrative!
@@wilberwhateley7569 I've always said that JJ is a fanfiction writer with _just_ the _most amazing_ connections to Hollywood.
Yeah they're trying that method on the new Doctor who season and they did it somehow worse
He's great at throwing interesting questions into the first act of a story. He just needs other people to take over from there. He'd do great as part of a team if he just knew his place and stuck to his role.
Ah, the sequel trilogy. My heart weeps for what could have been.
People were like "the prequel trilogy is the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars" and I always disputed this but since the 3rd trilogy came out,... I won.
Well, ya know, they did what they could.
It’s not as if there were literal millions of pages of EU lore to pull from or anything
It had potential after The Force Awakens. However, Rian Johnson ruined Luke and Killed Snoke early. This influenced them to bring back Palpatine to simply have an antagonist in that movie. What a shame. It could’ve been better.
@@applianceman6009 mate Luke had the single most Jedi death ever. He saved everyone with a non-violent action. How is that not Jedi as shit!!!
@@wastelanderone I like what they did there, but the rest of the story was just disappointment and garbage. Rotten Tomato reviews say so. Even The Rise of Skywalker had a decent rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to this.
9:43 - Literally, Leia gives a warm, emotional hug to a stranger she's never heard of. Leia, who lost her husband (killed by her own son moments ago). Read that you have friends and companions in danger. She ignores all of this to go and greet Rey (yuck).
My favourite part is when Fin just starts shouting SHE IS OUR QUEEN over and over again and won't stop
Hahaha 😂 I understand that reference She's ma qween
Another thing I hate about the FA, is that we are set up with this Empire vs rebels again. Why are we starting over again? When we should have to the New Republic vs a remnant of the Empire( almost a reverse of the rolls from the Ot) or the New Republic vs some outside threat. Point being there should be some progress of the state of the galaxy from the OT to after.
This doesn't get mentioned enough. It pretty much means that the events of the OT were meaningless.
Yes!! It's one of the biggest things that totally threw me for a loop and I was so confused. I don't understand the dang timeline AT ALL with the BS 7-9 movies. 😂🤦♀️ The just didn't even try. It was like the trifle that Rachel makes in Friends where two of the cookbook pages are stuck together so she makes half a dessert and half a Shepherd's pie haha. Mashed potatoes, whipped cream, bananas, beef, everything and the kitchen sink that doesn't go together lol.
Exactly, the best thing about the PT & the OT are the world building, which happens to be the one of the worst things about the ST. It's like they didn't even care.
It was like the lazy hollywood sequel, getting the love interest either replaced or to be "earn" again, just to do the same story again.
Did you miss where it's a remake of A New Hope? of course it's rebellion vs empire again.
The only ways it differs is in that it's worse.
These films age like milk left outside in the sun
Extracted from the human like breasts of a manatee without proper pasteurization
Blue milk or green milk?
its about family
In Arizona
Milk from a 'thala-siren' left dribbling down Skywalker's beard, in the sun.
I walked out of the theatre halfway through the movie... I knew what it was then.
I just didn't know they'd go as far as giving her his name in the end of the 3rd. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present, Lukisha Skywalker.
"With your father... Chew.... Bakka"
RUclipsrs with 1M subs be posting literal garbage but Nutsa's over here in a random corner making gold. A comment and a like for the algorithm.
Agreed, I'll do the same.
Agreed, I'll do the same.
I know right!? I’m always excited to watch her videos. 😊
If you don't post content consistently the algorithm nukes you. Great video 👍
She got us covered !
9:30 Let’s not forget that Rey grew up on a desert planet where the largest water source was a literal troth for animals and somehow she knows how to SWIM
Oh jee yeah ! Fuck that is honestly a bigger plot hole than her knowing how to use the force :
The force is a supernatural element and we don't really know how it works ,
However we know how swimming works , you don't fast cut it
Remember when the salty media tried to justify the garbage that was this movie with the logic that “well the prequels were hated when they first came out, but now they love it! It’ll happen when people grow up and look back on it.” 9 years later… and it’s even worse in hindsight than when it first came out
Abrams is a tool. The only reason he gets hired is because he can talk fast and has a team of people around him who can kind of make things happen for him.
This video was amazing, thank you. Now go make more. Entertain me! I demand your funny transitions! MOAR!!
And for the contacts of his father.
No, he gets work because of race and more importantly the child "loving" group he belongs to.........
It's funny what you said about Finn and Poe, because in reality they spend not that much time together, but the entirety of the internet was fixed on them being best bros back then. Everyone had subconsciously reached the same conclusion, we just didn't know.
It was just that one good scene at the beginning
They are the only characters who look like they like each other.
@@shawerful5209 they are the only ones with real chemistry.
.. You all just didnt know. And paid for a movie and others after it that wrecked, Everything for the future of this franchise. Its on you guys forever.
Nutsa's line at 22:49-22:58
"I would pay to see the discourse between a man who does not have nearly enough ideas and a man who has so many of them if he tries to stand up he might sleep on one of them."
That has to be the perfect description for both directors and one of the many reasons why the sequel trilogy fell apart so fast.
Keep up the great Nutsa. Can't wait for Chapter 2. Hopefully, you use a rotting piece of fruit as well as an ode to the rotting watermelon.
There is something about the way JJ makes a movie that makes it watchable and enjoyable...ON A PURELY SURFACE LEVEL.
Imagine pairing up that talent with some great writing, and someone to pull nack on his worst excesses of: lens flare, bigger is better, mystery box, filming 'cool' scenes before figuring out how they fit in the story etc.
Well, we will just have to continue to imagine such a thing, won't we?
For sure, a consistent writing team (without JJ) for the trilogy would have been the way to do it, even if they kept three different directors.
The more I catch TFA running on cable, the more I realize just how bad it is. JJ Abrams is a hack.
.. Too-little awareness, Too late. You all paid for the worst movie of the worst movie-franchise ever made in human history. Worse than turkish-anything movies, Worse than despair. And now the franchise has no real future. Congratulations.
TFA is like LAST ACTION HERO, where Rey, Finn and Poe seem like characters who watched the original trilogy and are cosplaying through the story beats in a filmed improv, as JJ shouts 'member this..?' with a megaphone at every opportunity. It is a love letter to the surface level bait without any vision, imagination, verve, nuance, depth or dignity. It nailed exactly all that Disney Star Wars would ever be... *somehow*
It’s more like a Star Wars Themed acid trip
Once you inject yourself and the buzz is about to kick in you get a moment of sheer terror: you’re forced at gun point to shoot down civilians and some other stormtrooper you recall having a bond with dies and bleeds all over you.
Then you calm down and find yourself chilling in a setting full of familiar imagery like a house made out of a fallen ATAT
Then you fly the falcon, meet Han Solo(who is inexplicably STILL a smuggler and still wearing the same clothes) then you go to a bar and find Anakin Skywalkers lightsaber and then you have another low point
You remember that your family hates you and then everything becomes the a much more dark and watered down version of the Death Star rescue and the Death Star assault both at once. Then Han Solo himself gets graphically skewered and falls off a bridge and then you get you spine hacked
Then I guess the drugs ware off and you wake up and your spine is fine and you’re still a loser and your parents never loved you
The End
@@KRobinson-ko1ne LOL. That was awesome.
I was just going to say that the biggest point of agreement by the fans at the time was that each movie in the sequel trilogy coming out after Force Awakens made the previous movie worse in retrospect.
People loved this movie when it first came out.
Except last action hero is a good movie lol
@@DisabledDollThis 💯🔥🔥
I remember Razorfist saying that disney would ruin Star Wars. He said we would be begging for George to return and he was right😢
Yes, indeed. While I still dislike the Prequel Trilogy movies, even despite growing up with them, the Sequels made me appreciate them so much more.
@@BungieStudios agreed. The only flaw with the prequels was bad writing that even George acknowledged but aside all that, they had great plots, characters, arcs, world building and were even further improved by subsequent media like Clone Wars and the expanded universe. Disney star wars has none of this
@@orboakin8074yep george may not have been good at writing good dialogue but the movies have great action and plots while disney star wars just has bland dialogue with bland action and nland plots.
I suspected this as well when they swapped the Solo kids for Kylo-Doofus. There was an amazing story where one of the kids trained with Boba Fett to take down her corrupted sith sibling. It was actually believable
Hell yeah love razorfist.
I never understood of Finn ever managed to become a Stormtrooper. The supposed to be elite infantry of the Galactic Empire, and yet Finn managed to be even less competent than ur average Stormtrooper when our heroes are on screen.
The worst part about this trilogy is the fact that they could of let the old cast bow out gracefully and let them have their happy ending at the end of ROTJ.
Instead of having a wholly unique cast and story, they recycled something a real screenwriter produced.
No creativity
No passion
No soul
No Star Wars
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks the Finn-Poe escape sequence is the brightest spot in the dung heap that is the Sequels. And as usual I'm reminded that Finn and Poe deserved much, much better than what they got.
I can't enjoy that part at all, because that's not how TIE Fighters work. They don't have atmosphere and life support, they don't have two seats back-to-back, they don't have gun turrets, they don't have hyperdrives, they aren't stored like that... every way you could possibly get something wrong about TIEs, JJ managed to put into his movies. Now, he could have created a TIE variant (like Star Wars always had done since the second movie), but then it wouldn't look identical to the TIE Fighter from A New Hope.
@@DZ-X3to be fair, this is a few decades after the OT, and this is a space fantasy, technology could have advanced quite a bit. With the absolute mountain of fundamental issues these films have, that seems like a bit of a nitpick.
Imagine if the series revolved around them trying to escape Jakku and they just randomly run into Rey and bargains with her to get off world but she realises that these two can help her get off the planet to find her parents.
@@Lok-TM The rear gun turrets and having an actual life support system can be handwaved as something new. The storage and launching system is less forgivable
@@DZ-X3And they forgot to put in actual Thai pilots! What an amateur JJ is!
I dont even like Starwars... but oh boy do I love watching people talk about Starwars.
Crying over here because Star Wars Meta Fandom is not something that has occurred to me to consider before 🤣
Same here. I think fans of many franchises can relate to what's been done to Star Wars because the same things has been done to things they loved.
No one is talking about “Star Wars” here - they are talking about “Disney Wars” and nothing else!
I am a long time Star Wars and I fully agree with many takes I have seen over the years, or decades. Yes, the first trilogy is silly with a weird dismissal of "accidental incest", and the prequels has Padme become weak as shit (jesus christ, Portman had no right to have a character be so crappy), but Star Wars was never... grim and dark. The humor usually had good timing and context (Prequels slipped a few times with Jar Jar), but Disney's Star Wars did not get it right. Marvel levels of humor, with jokes in the worst contexts, hyper-shallow characters, inconsistent plot lines, and WAY TOO DRAMATIC. FUCK! WHAT HAPPENED TO LUKE? We can't even make memes out of the Sequels!
You should watch Clone Wars 2003, if you don't like Star Wars after that then I'd be surprised
it becomes apparent with the utter disaster of Rey's illconceived character that she was written in after the fact. Fin was written to be the main character. A defecting stormtrooper, force-sensitive, teams up with Poe to be a sort of Reverse Han-Luke dynamic. But Kathleen (or equivalent) insisted upon making the lead a woman.
I imagine it went something like this:
"But Fin's black..doesn't that satisfy DEI?"
"yeah but the force is female now, just make Fin a woman."
"Fin's a Stormtrooper; they're all men"
"make them women then...better yet, make the stormtrooper Commander guy Captain Phasma...make him a woman."
"so make Finn and all the Stormtroopers women, as well as Captain Phasma?"
"no...hmm..that might be too much...look, just leave all the characters the same, except Captain Phasma, make him a chick..all the characters stay the same...except, just make the scavenger guy on Jaku...Ray was it?...the guy who helps fin get off the Planet...change him to a chick...then just cut/paste all of the Jedi stuff from Fin...make that all Rey the Orphan Scavenger Girl Jedi stuff...she's the main character now, Fin can be her sidekick"
"....and Poe?..."
"yeah keep him in, just delete everything after the crash landing, this is Rey and Finn's story now"
"you mean kill him off?"
"sure, yeah, whatever, we can bring him back if we want later"
"Ok, but how is Finn and Rey going to get off the planet, they will have to get a Pilot, Poe is the Pilot...and we can't just explain away a Janitor and an Orphan girl scavenger flying, much less performing all the crazy dogfights..."
'sure we can, she's a jedi, have you ever watched starwars?"
"respectfully, ma'am, she's not a jedi"
"luke wasn't a jedi when he destroyed the Death Star"
"...yeah....but luke was a already a pilot...look, it's not a big deal, i can just rewrite Rey to being a shuttle driver or something you know, she doesn't have to be an orphan scavenger."
"yes she does, she don't need no help from jedi, she don't need no licenses, she don't need no training or no man...she's the most powerful jedi in the universe, so she can do anything"
"ok, well, i gotta get to rewrites and figure out a more cohesive back story for rey...."
"whatever, just focus on making it lame and gay right now, we'll worry about backstory later"
PUT A CHICK IN IT, AND MAKE HER GAY!
-Eric Cartman
0:51 Holy hell there’s just something so….i don’t know…the way the first minute was made made me long for an era of square tvs and buttons with not quite clear images
One of the worst parts of TFA is how much it relies in coincidence. It's just so ineptly written. It's actually a rarity that plot point A organically leads to B, which is storytelling 101, if not 001. Even in the sequence you praised, they crash land the ship - just by pure coincidence in walking distance from Rey's outpost. Which happens to be in rolling distance (for BB-8) from Lor San Tekka's outpost, who has the map to Luke Skywalker. Rey, who is a one in a billion force sensitive (and who it later turns out is the freaking granddaughter of Palpatine), lives by sheer coincidence that close to him.
Anyway they crash land that close? Okay, let's say he could still maneuver the tie fighter enough to fly there - how? From memory? Did Poe perfectly recall the small speck of dirt among the giant desert planet to go there? There is no indication that he has a map on the TIE, nor that he is following a signal from BB-8, which would be easy fixes I thought of for that. You could even gain a character moment out of that last one, where he says something like "he didn't get everything from me" and explains that he has the frequency for BB-8's signal, showing that he has strength of will to resist, but that he also feels a bit guilty for giving anything away, etc. See how you can even profit like that when you just write a better script, JJ?
Okay, let's assume he has a map and he could get there when he crashed - how did Finn know where to go? He certainly didn't have access to something like that, so what gives? Finn picked a random direction to walk in and happened to end up in the same outpost Rey is, which is the same outpost BB-8 ended up in. Also, the jacket flew off of Poe and Finn found it, leading to BB-8 recognizing it.
The entire movie is like this. One 1 in a million chance after the next, just "then B happens, then C happens, then D happens" and each more unlikely than the next. Just terribly written all around.
Exactly like star trek 2009 and into darkness by jj abrams. The whole plot featured so much koinkidink and all of it took place within like 5 days. There is zero appreciation of the world building and characters because the story couldn’t wait to finish itself.
@@InnerFire6213 Yeah, he keeps doing it. That man just does not know how to write or value a competent writer. He just doesn't understand it.
This is only scratching the surface of coincidences. My favourite bit is what follows: Rey and Finn's ship gets blown up and the ship they happen to choose just happens to be the Falcon. They escape from Jakku, eliminating the only two TIE-Fighers present, even though the First Order is supposed to have the Planet on Lockdown considering they *know* the Map they seek is still on the Planet (and I think a Star Destroyer is still in Orbit). The Falcon's Hyperdrive Engines are offline, so they are easy prey.
But it isn't the FO who finds them, its Han and Chewie who have been looking for the Falcon for years and are coincidentally in the same area. And just minutes later, Han's ship is boarded by not one but *two* Rival Gangs who have been looking for _him_ because he screwed them over.
This entire movie is barely held together by pure chance, luck and coincidence and it falls apart the instant you give it more than a little bit of thought.
This was my criticism of the film as well. It's just one coincidence after another after another.
@@derworfnetI really disliked the idea that the Falcon would have been “lost” after playing a pivotal role in the defeat of the Empire. You would think that it, along with Luke’s X-Wing would have been put on permanent display on Coruscant.
For me, the most telling quote about the movie was from Michael Arndt who did some writing on the film:
“Early on I tried to write versions of the story where [Rey] is at home, her home is destroyed, and then she goes on the road and meets Luke. And then she goes and kicks the bad guy’s ass. It just never worked and I struggled with this. This was back in 2012.”
“It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly you didn’t care about your main character anymore because, ‘Oh f-k, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.’”
It's telling that Arndt, Kasdan, and Abrams didn't then go "Oh, maybe we should make a better main character" but rather "we should just not include Luke."
It's a good quote but I take something different from it. I think one of the bigger missteps was trying to include the OT characters in there at all because they would swallow the audiences investment, attention, and critique.
Contrast with another Abrams film, Star Trek 2009 which did a SIGNIFICANTLY better job balancing the new and old characters. Wtf happened JJ?
@@jiggycalzone8585 A fair point. It's Indicative of one of the many issues with Disney Star Wars which is their desire to forge their own path, yet also harvest all the memberberries at the same time. Many of the sequels problems are solved by simply setting it a couple hundred years after ROTJ, but they wanted the sweet sweet monies that including Han, Luke, & Leia brought.
This quote has bugged me from the moment I first read it because it implies that they knew no other way to include Luke except an attention- and spotlight grabbing one.
I mean, they could've handled Luke like Lucas handled Yoda in Ep.I: He gets mentioned a few times earlier in the movie and when we finally do get to see him, his reintroduction is almost casual: He's just _there,_ sitting on the council, doing his Job. No dramatic closeup, no swelling music. Its just the Movie telling us: "Of couse Yoda is around at this time. Here he is. Lets move on."
I'm convinced they could have handled Luke in a similar, more discreet fashion.
I am reminded about of all things, Apollo Justice. it was meant to be a soft reboot with new characters, but the moment Phoenix Wright, the protagonist of the original series showed up, I lost interest in Apollo. The series had to do a ton of heavy lifting to get me to be interested in him, but the first game barely gave him a character.
Kasdan? As in Kasdan Paratus!? The insane Jedi who recreated Coruscant on a trash planet!
For once the algorithm brought me to something worthwhile, nice channel :)
The circus music is an excellent choice to accompany the choices that Disney has made with it's "Star Wars" movies and shows.
I remember walking out of the theatre seeing TFA with a disappointed feeling. I didn't care for the film, but EVERYONE around me was happy and elated. I went home and got on RUclips to watch reviews and it was nothing but praise/adoration. Was I the one in the wrong? I had convinced myself that they would explain more in later movies but i was so incredibly wrong.
It’s almost like this movie got more backlash because because of the next two, sort of like how ROTS got backlash from the 1st and 2nd movie.
> Was I the one in the wrong?
No. It was the children who were wrong.
When it was first released in theaters, I joined a watch party with some of my coworkers and their plus ones. Most of us, myself included, were happy and elated, save for one of my co-workers. The next day at work, he discussed the problems he had with the movie. I appreciated his point of view, but still enjoyed the movie nonetheless, to the point that I purchased the Blu Ray upon release.
All that changed when I watched TLJ. Suddenly, I realized: he was right. TLJ permanently ruined TFA for me. The only reason why I enjoyed the film before was because it was the first major Star Wars film since 2005, and I had low expectations.
I was depressed for two weeks after seeing it.
I also thought it was garbage right away. I thought it was nothing but a soulless, artificial corporate product.
The reason Finn doesn't make sense as a character is because he's a variation on Han Solo, going through a similar arc. The problem is that he's not motivated by money, but by cowardice, and so his action of returning to Starkiller Base [to rescue Rey, who he barely knows] makes no real sense, and Rey unlike Luke has no father to avenge or friends to join in the rebellion, so her decision to help BB8 feels contrived. And Poe, the combination of Leia's rebel leader and Han's piloting skills has nothing to overcome, and never even meets Rey, because Old Han is filling in that part.
Han is motivated about surviving: he has a hit on him by an influential hutt and he meets a couple of losers willing to go with his price gouging
He has the decency to instinctively go out of his way to save a total stranger from a diagona and says things that sound selfish out of spite but are still hyperbolic
The point is, like Tracy Morgan said, he acts like he doesn’t care but he does
That’s sort of like Finn but Finn is mostly abandoned and either way why introduce Han Solo when Han Solos own story is still going on
It’s not supposed to be a remake
It’s supposed to be a sequel
That's why his arc in TLJ was necessary 🌝
@@Dzumeister TLJ was contrived and boring nonsense. But that's irrelevant to what was wrong with TFA.
Finn in TLJ goes on a boring and worthless side quest because Rian wanted to smash Rey & Kylo together. None of it is interesting, imaginative or rewarding.
A person who has been taken from his parents at the age of two and brainwashed to serve an evil empire would not turn out to have a personality like Finn or be the bumbling incompetent soldier that he was portrayed as. The writers liked the idea of a brainwashed Imperial trooper. So they put it in the story, but didn’t want to do the work to develop it. He wouldn’t be like Han. His personality would be closer to that of a German SS officer in Hitler’s youth group. And even if he was questioning the rightness of what he was doing, it would not be an easy or a quick process for him to change. You don’t get over two decades of that kind of mind conditioning in the space of a day. He’d probably still be cold and frightening to people and his actions would at times still border on uncomfortable to those around him, if not outright extreme. The problem is called lazy writing, which is why it’s no wonder that by TLJ Finn had morphed into the Death Star’s janitor. And in ROS he had been reduced to reminding the audience what the main character’s name was by shouting it every ten seconds, probably because the writers knew that more than half the audience thought it was Mary Sue. You want to call that a character arc, be my guest. It’s not my idea of one.
A more believable backstory for Ben would have been that he had a happy, stable home life up until he was in his teens. But after he refused military service, the First Order killed his family and threatened to kill him if he didn’t answer the call. He was cowardly. So he did what they wanted. After losing his friend, however, his conscience would no longer let him support a government who had done such things to the people he loved, but he was still a coward. So the only thing he tried to do was run away. His character arc could have been a quest to find the courage to stand up to the people who had murdered his family, perhaps partially motivated by the sympathy he felt when he saw what the same evil empire had done to other families, like witnessing Han being killed by his own son.
@@Ruylopez778But without that sidequest how would we know Rian Johnson thinks war profiteering, animal cruelty and child slavery are bad? It takes a brave man to have such controversial stances on hot button issues.
I hated The Force Awakens while everyone else was still giving it excuses. Then The Last Jedi came out and everyone blamed that movie for all the problems that already existed in TFA. I felt like I was taking crazy pills. It's SO BAD.
Right??? I lost so much respect for other Star Wars fans after the pearl clutching around TLJ.
I suddenly remembered that they never explained how Poe survived or made it back to the Resistance. The first movie already pulled the "Somehow Poe returned" move
And the worst part is that the Sequel Trilogy had all the right ingredients for a great new Star Wars story, but no one was competent enough to cook all of it properly.
Finn and Kylo Ren could have been legendary characters.
Heck Rey could have been a great protagonist if she’d been competently written. IMO what should have been done with her is introduce her as Luke’s padawan, so she’d already be skilled in the force because of spending years training with a master. Then have the two of them run into Fin, have Luke discover Fin’s force sensitive and start to train him while the two begin to investigate why a stormtrooper would even exist post Empire. They’d need to give her a personality of course with some flaws that could be overcome over the course of the trilogy.
It's sad because the sequels had potential. The Force Awakens had potential. Rey had potential. I still think that Reys intro was a great scene with good atmosphere, and music. I was looking forward to learn more about her or Finn or the First Order.
Too bad there never was anything to learn.
Rey never had potential, she was a character meant to be what she was from the start to the end.
Thank you. You nailed it with this video. I hope your channel grows big. You deserve it.
Finn should have been the main character.
Actually.... Han Solo does not agree to help Obi-Wan and Luke rescue the Princess. They have no idea that she has been captured. He agrees to transport them to Alderaan with "no Imperial entanglements". Which makes it even more realistic.
I think she's talking about the scene on the Death Star where Luke convinces them to help out by dangling the potential reward money in front of them
@@arafat2924 "They're gonna kill her!" "Better her than me!" "She's rich." "Rich?" "Rich, powerful. Listen, if you were to rescue her the reward would be..." "What?" "Well more wealth than you can imagine." "I dunno, I can imagine quite a a bit."
@@paulwence648 i read all that with their voices lmao
@@paulwence648that dialogue sounds so corny until I imagine Harrison saying it.
@@xxGravyBabyxx same bro
The Star Wars sequels: one of the trilogies ever made
It truly did existed
The Sequels aren't bad but they aren't good they are ok,it'll keep you entertained for a couple of hours
@@Dragirek It sadly did exist.
@@albertthepeacock8020 In my subjective opinion, they are hollow, cynical, contrived, nostalgia bait nonsense, devoid of imagination, nuance, vision and depth. They are - worst of all - boring and undermine the work of Lucas. They personify what is wrong with modern media, and the way Lucasfilm attacked and smeared fans was tone deaf, pathetic and hypocritical. But the gaslighting from access media shows that the sequels did perfect the notion of making shit content and blaming the audience, as we've seen imitated by LOTR, Dr Who, He-Man, Terminator, Star Trek, Ghostbusters and every other franchise they don't understand. So don't lecture me on what "entertainment" is, thanks.
The sequel trilogy is the worst film related project ever
2:09 The Rise of Deezznuts has me rollin.
The only good thing that can be said about the new trilogy, is that it provoked the birth of brilliant and funny videos like yours. Please keep making them, i loved your lines, your analysis and your montage.
What a girl boss! (I don't mean Rey.)
Nutsa best heroine 21st century
12:29 Finn risked T R I L L I O N S for a girl he met yesterday. One of the greatest flops of TLJ and retroactively TFA was the timeline between films. Both of these films happen over the course of a week.
Edit: Kyle XD
List of things Kathleen Kennedy has ruined:
. Star Wars
. Indiana Jones
. JJ Abrams' career
. Game of Thrones (offered Weiss and Benioff a fortune to rush the last season of GoT to write on SW)
The "poop on a lamppost" is one of the funniest and most accurate things I've seen
😆😶🤔🤯🤣
@19:25 This guy here, with the glasses. That's Rick Carter, an Oscar winning Production designer (Avatar, BTTF, Jurassic Park). If you read the Art of Force Awakens book he lobbied to work on TFA, and then he spent the days working on it acting like Steve Jobs walking around Skywalker Ranch "inspiring" people by asking questions like "Who is Luke Skywalker" and "What is the Force" and prattling on about "walking dream states", "deep creative mindsets" and "collective unconscious", "guided imagery" and "breaking the walls of imagination" like some fucking new age guru. He wasted time playing word association type games with Kiri Hart and Pablo Hidalgo or would print out stills from Kurosawa movies then had the art department people try to tell stories by rearranging their order, like kids in a kindergarten. He got paid for this, then when the production was about to start he had another guy take over from him and do the heavy lifting part of the production designer job like building sets.
Coupled with Abrams being brainwashed by Simon Pegg into thinking that Lawrence Kasdan is some genius that saved poor Star Wars from crazy ol' man Lucas by shilling Plinkett reviews. Up to that point Kasdan was collecting dust under a mountain of Silverado DVDs in some Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse since the 90s.
And Kasdan himself strutting around Hollywood like he came up with Han Solo, when honestly all the Han Solo character development was done in New Hope, and all he did in ESB was pester Leia for a kiss in a hermetically sealed ship. Fun fact, he hated the I love you/I know line from ESB, cause that's not how he wrote it in the script.
These f**ckers barely even finished the script in time to shoot, they had no idea for a story, had to visit the art departement to look at drawings of Luke being buried in the sand to be inspired.
JJ wasn't itching for a chance to tell his SW idea. He didn't pester Lucas for years to give him a chance. He was minding his own business, sitting on his living room floor building a fort out of his Cloverfield money and then he got a call from Kennedy. He had nothing scheduled, might as well do a Star Wars while you are at it. More money for the north-west citadel of his dollar fort.
Have you seen Star Wars Apocrypha by Nerdnonymous?
It gives you the rundown of the production history
The opening line in TFA is the most arrogant line in the history of cinema. 'This is being to make things right' JJ admitted was a dig at the prequels.
That's what so many throathurt fanbabies wanted, for Disneyfilm to justify their fandumb and save them from their "rAyPd cHyLdHuUdS". They deserve the sequels most of all.
Well he definitely channeled your average Antifa of this generation. Except irl they are much less capable of a real fight.
He’s so damn petty, also ruined Ep9 by just spending most of it trying to take jabs at Ep8 or retconning stuff that didn’t matter
The Force Awakens is the most accurate film title of all time.
After watching it I was Awakened only with a great deal of force.
If I had to rewrite the entirety of the Sequel Trilogy, I'd make it an inversion of the dramatic and thematic beats of the Prequel Trilogy- the story of a Republic overthrown by might, but whose moral and spiritual authority remained intact, leading to the First Order's ultimate destruction despite their rapid victories in the field.
Algorithm was kind enough to throw this up, had a lot of laughs. After all the serious political and social discourse and back and forth about modern Disney Star Wars, it's so refreshing just to see a video which leaves it all aside and doesn't hold back.
My nephews and niece saw it before I did. On the opening day. I requested that they didn't give me any plot details. They didn't struggle at all. They saw it and didn't have the irrepressible desire to act out scenes. I had the suspicion that it sucked. When I did see it in the cinema, I was underwhelmed, but noticed that the children who had attended the screening filed out with a complete lack of emotion. I'm too young for the original series. But I remember going to the cinema and watching Mission Impossible and Independence Day. With Mission Impossilbe I was probably humming the song for days. Children upon seeing a film tend to want to reenact scenes. They don't contain their excitement. The sombre faces filing out of The force Awakens seemed damning.
Letting Po live was cheap. The ground splitting after Rey walked to her inevitable victory was cheap. And was this the one with 'a story for another time'. A mystery has to tease you and drop enough details to keep you invested. As a standard example of a macguffin, you have a locked suitcase. you don't know what's in it. But maybe you get to see how people react to the contents. If the KGB is chasing the box, you can extrapolate what in it. JJ didn't provide enough clues to indicate that he had a plan. When Ryan took over, there weren't enough narrative threads and clues to prevent him from saying "the box doesn't matter. I'm a genius and now you're going to get crystal foxes that save the day".
Disney has to admit there wasn't a plan OR they let the next guy rip it to shreds because they don't know what they're doing.
I remember not even carring looking at Star Wars 8 because 7 was that dissapointing
The only goo'd Star Wars under Disney that everyone agree with is Rogue One
@@Dragirek It's not that good. The central conceit of the film is solving a plothole that was never a plothole.
@@doltBmB it had his issue but of all the star wars movie its the best and id like the seriousness of the movie
It amazes me in all these years how folks did not take real notice of the "force is female" crap Kennedy and Abrams were selling on this movie. I noticed and have never watched the Disney trilogy, because it's pretty obvious what they were aiming for. The drone consumers sure wasted so much money away for this trilogy. 😏🤭
This was REALLY the best critique of this "movie" I have ever heard. You are very good! You sound so young, but then I'm in my 70's and everyone under 40 sounds young to me. :) It's unfortune that Abrams will never see this video. You could teach him something.
Man I just wanted Luke and Han to hang out just one more time. But nope.
Great discussion. We hope to see more from this channel.
Why, you could almost say that we're going to watch his career. With great interest.
"the force awakens is inoffensive" first time i watched it in theaters, i was freaking offended. They regressed Han's character, separated him and Leia, and then killed him off unceremoniously and irreverently. Then they gave Rey knowledge she shouldn't have had, and had her beat on her FIRST TRY the big baddie who was trained by the most powerful light user and dark user AND also the bloodline of Anakin Skywalker who was biologically a child of the force. We fans came up with plenty of theories for her but la de da we got burned for that now didn't we. The Last Jedi trailer was enough to make me quit Disney. The Mandalorian made me come back and then Book of Boba made me leave again. Not going back again. Even if they actually make something good, it will be too tainted by association.
Apparently Andor mostly doesn't suck, but I just don't care anymore.
@@kalashnikovdevilif you find yourself with a free afternoon, I would recommend sailing the high seas at least to watch andor. Can't promise you will like it but it does absolutely no damage to anything in the OT or prequels. Unlike pretty much everything else from Disney.
@@kalashnikovdevil Andor is actually fantastic. But, I fully understand not even wanting to give it a try after all the other garbage.
Right👍
I still can't believe Kung fu panda and Duke Leto Atreides are played by the same person.
Prequels aged like fine wine
Sequels aged like milk
I think people just appreciate the prequels more for what they are. Episode 1 and 2 are still as bad as I remember, maybe even worse watching them now as an adult. I also still see people regarding them as the worse out of all films. Episode 3 is still my favorite Star Wars movie tho
@Cho0segoose agreed, at this stage it's very easy to see the narrative through-line lucas was going for and appreciate the era it expanded on and gave way to expanded media
But that doesn't save the movies by a long shot, they're horrid
@@Cho0segoosecuriously but in my country prequels were never hated. I also never thought of them as bad movies. But we had a good dubbing that fixed dialogue to an extent
Prequels are aged grapes for certain, but we got vinegar instead of fine wine.
It's more sad how drone consumers wasted so much money for this crap trilogy. Was it too hard to take notice of the "force is female" crap they were aiming for? 😏🤭
My gut reaction to that title was "shut the fuck up, the force awakens was not NINE years ago. Oh my god. Oh my god the force awakens was nine years ago."
Gets worse: it came out the same year I graduated high school.
...having _this_ be new standard by which the Internet marks the passage of time...? Just _super._
I mean it came out in Dec 2015 so just 8 1/2 year right now
Zoomers feeling like boomers is the best thing about this video.
@@commandercaptain4664 TBF, it's more like GenXers
By all accounts, 2024 to 2034 is going to feel like 5 minutes compared to 2015 to 2024. Here's a movie quote I'll never forget: "They say if you slow your breathing, time slows down."
The editing is top tier, this was so damn funny
great review. loved the vapor vignettes.
I’m pissed that they teased Finn becoming a Jedi in the trailer and it ends up being about Rey.
A Stormtrooper defecting, coming to learn of the Force, joining the Rebellion, and facing off again his former commander is a great story.
One thing I appreciate when it comes to with this video is that it’s not 8 fecking hours. Thank you for keeping it somewhat short
FANTASTIC and PERFECT review. ♥
"...so inoffensive, it's insulting" and "like a poop on top of a lamppost, it's intriguing shit" are brilliant lines.
I intend to quote them frequently. Thank you.
When I first saw Force Awakens, that 5 minute sequence with Finn and Poe escaping the Star Destroyer really sold me on the film. Their chemistry was so good, and it reminded me of the chemistry between the main 3 characters in the OT. Especially after the Prequels, which - love them or hate them - featured mostly very stoic Jedi characters, the chemistry between Finn and Poe was really refreshing to see at the time. But after watching the whole movie, and especially after watching it a second time, it came off to me as massively over-rated. I still gave it the benefit of the doubt... until the Last Jedi came out. After that I basically just checked out of Star Wars, like many other people.
bantz...like friends and not very witty or funny, aimed at 14 year olds.
I will never ever understand that. Finn's scenes were absolutely idiotic. Dude gets ptsd for his fellow soldier dying, then right after he turns on them and mass murders them while cracking jokes. Absolute brainrot
I dont give a single shit about star wars anymore but the kid in the back of my head that loved the early to late 2000s games and prequel films would say that they really fucked it up and it’s absolutely disgraceful
Star wars was the first to fall too, then came halo, then the witcher, etc
Marvel Comics fell first. That was the easiest industry for these hacks to weasel in on. Hilariously Marvel Studios flatlined when trying to introduce the same characters a few years later. Caprain Marvel? Shuri? Riri Williams? America Chavez? Blacktain America? _They already knew the characters didn't work._ Doing something that had already failed in one medium and trying it again in a much bigger, more expensive medium is seriously one of the mast baffling decisions ever.
The "And hell yeah, it's intriguing. Just like a poop on top of a lamp post." line, had me laughing. I loved it.
I was confused to see a photo of Po the Kung Fu Panda until i remembered that Oscar Isaac plays Poe.
I can confirm that LUKE did in fact NOT get any lines in episode VIII. Jake on the other hand....
And this is the “best” of the sequel trilogy
Love your channel, your opinion and your bullseye hitting reviews. Please keep it up. We need more grounded, intelligent reviewers like you. Until then, you are a limited edition that I will be sure to collect. Thank you
In the ''singe nest ding'' of this movie, you forgot that Phinn or whatever it's name is, it's literally killing troopers like him and enjoying it. Xd 16:21
Im pretty sure Finn was inspired by Kyle Katarn - former stormtrooper who joined the rebelion and under Luke Skywalker became a Jedi. In EU there was also Alpha, a clone who was given this name by Anakin, quoting Wookiepedia: " It was then that Anakin, uncomfortable with calling him simply "clone," after the ARC tell him his designation, named the trooper "Alpha"."
I had my issues with Katarn
I feel like his story should have just ended at dark forces
Im the biggest Jedi sympathizer(#thejediwereright #myallegianceistotherepublic #fordemocracy) and even I didn’t think that basically EVERYONE in the EU had to be a Jedi
@@KRobinson-ko1neNot sure where being a Jedi sympathizer came into all of this considering that Katarn was after the original order. Luke’s order was far better than the original and could actually bring more Jedi to the front to make them the strongest they’ve ever been.
Katarn’s relationship with Luke was also well established in later installments, and he was well deserving of his battlemaster rank.
Finn is based off Kyle katarn and finn galfridian.
Your absolutely right about the spoonfeeding info aspect. If Snoke told Kylo "The ball is on your father's ship" we could've pieced it together. But he has to spell it tf out. "The Droid is aboard the Mulenium Falcon, your father's ship. With your father, Han Solo." Or something (sorry for my bad spelling
"Remember, _Kylo Ren??_ Remember your _daddy_ issues??"
Posting before the channel blows up to say I repped Nutsa before everyone else got here. You may genuinely have the most refreshing take on Disney Star Wars I’ve seen since the release of this movie.
Holy crap, what you said around 6:50, that is the exact issue I had with Abrams' Mission Impossible. It just seemed like a huge joke. But if I looked at it in a way where I "bought in" it didn't seem that way. It must be a feature of Abrams movies. That is total artistic failure if I've ever seen it.
True. All of it.
TFA was a mid movie that gave many of us hope. I forgived its flaws when it came out because I was hopeful for what was comming.
I have been a Star Wars fan since I was 8, when my uncle rented episodes IV - VI for VHS and I watched these old movies with funny special effects. My uncle told me "These special effects were amazing when this movies came out. There was NOTHING like this back then" and I believed him.
But, I fell in love with SW not because of the special effects, but because of the story and characters.
Then, many years later I watch TFA, full of hope for what this new story can bring. That's it. A mid movie with no originality or creativity that works more as a promise for something that MAY be, but with very little to no credit in itself.
I realized all of this after watching episode VIII, and seeing how something I believed to be impossible became a reality: It was possible for me to dislike a Star Wars movie.
More on that when you release your video for the bext movie but I will say this, episode VII became nothing to me after the promise or hope for the future was destroyed with ep VIII.
Today, I can't even bring myself to watch TFA. It just feels like a trailer for something that doesn't exist.
You're right. Force Awakens is basically a 2 hour trailer for "what's gonna happen when Rey meets Luke?"
It might have worked better if that was just the first half of third of a movie.
Truly is a broken promise of what was to come.
Unrelated, where was the “misogynist backlash” when TFA and rogue one happened?
It’s a bullcrap excuse that has never worked, made to defend the real villain of the story.
Our so-called “hatred” is just showing that we CARE about the future of Star Wars. While the creators themselves are the ones who actually don’t. Otherwise, this would never be a problem.
Rogue One handled the problem by being good.
"Like a sh-- on top of a lamp post."
''A good question... for another time.'' And that time never came. Jar Jar Abrams in a nutshell.
The first 30 minutes of TFA are watchable for me, the introduction for Rey especially I mean the first 5 minutes of establishing her character and surroundings it’s fine. Probably cause there’s no dialogue and it’s just showing not telling where she lives, her struggle to get food and take care of herself it’s all well done…..Then after that it’s crap. Finns intro was good, and his escape with Po had some good energy. But after 30 minutes it’s down hill from there, empire 2.0 v rebels 2.0 Death Star 3.0, useless republic gets destroyed making the ot meaningless, no Jedi and Luke is away being a bitch. We know the rest, but the first 30 minutes of TFA are pretty good.
ive watched so much discourse about movie slop and i can genuinely say this video slaps
Your editing is so funny 😁🤝
I love how long you let the "Reeeeeyyyy" echo last. Great editing.
As a Nigerian fan of Star Wars since childhood, I am done with disney star wars. All the bad writing, toxic identity politics and antagonism towards fans has just worn me down😒 but i have rediscovered Lucas era shows and movies (currently rewatching Clone Wars by Filoni and Tartakovsky😊👍) and i am now buying the EU novels and loving them❤ The only post-disney stuff i like are Fallen Order and Rogue One. The only ways i twnd to enjoy disney star wars is from watching channels like yours and Mauler make video essays about it😂
It's nice to hear that it's not just "toxic white guys" who are dismayed about what's been done to Star Wars (and so many other franchises). I experienced the same joy of rediscovery you did but with Star Trek. After trying to watch some of the new crap I went back and watched the shows I grew up with (The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine) and they were _so good._ After watching Discovery it was just nice to have a main character that did something other than cry and talk in a whisper about her feelings.
@@BiggieTrismegistus thanks friend 👍 Funny enough, your experience with Star Trek is similar to mine except I had no prior exposure. I tried the Kelvin timeline stuff and hated it. Then, a friend of mine from Canada (he's white) actually introduced me to the old shows and I became an instant fan!
What about people who praised The Force Awakens and criticized Rogue One?
That piece of crap started almost 10 years ago?
First time I have encountered this channel. This video was excellent. I had forgotten how bad episode 7 was. Episodes 8 and 9 were so poor it tricked me into thinking episode 7 was good.
You hit the nail on just about everything you spoke about.
If I had to pinpoint my issues with the sequel trilogy, it's this lack of genuinity that permeates these 3 films. In every scene, everyone is excessively excited, confrontational, up-in-your-face and there's very little time spent on people reflecting or seeing the moral lesson/virtue in what they've experienced. This is because they decided to go with a more energetic sense of comedy, despite the fact that the characters and the background history of the main cast would not allow them to be so "cheery" with each other. One is a cocky fighter pilot, one is a brainwashed child soldier, and one is an orphaned, friendless scavenger. None of their personalities reflect their interaction with each other. They're the main cast, and has to get along, but they didn't think to create tension to build upon it.
So many of the scenes are made to get the characters from A to B, trying to set up so many plot points without having the resolve to make these scenes carry themselves. Look back to the original trilogy. Most scenes are doing something beyond just explaining why they're where they're at, or what they have to do. The highs and lows are human, and Star Wars is at its best when the characters are their lowest, because it's from that you get to see their personality shine through so they can overcome them, or lose and go on to reflect on their failures. The sequel movies has got none of this, because the none of the characters are put into the hard place of doing the hard, right thing over the easy but selfish thing. Even the MCU had this nailed down pre-Endgame. Character growth was informed by the lessons learned through failure.
The First Order is a complete joke. Every hero is only as great as their villain, and you can feel the director's hands pushing revitalization juice into their decrepit veins every time they demonstrate (once again) that their incompetence should have made it impossible for them to reach this far. This is why not even the current Star Wars TV shows can redeem them. All they're being set up to with the whole Shadow Council and Project Necromancer is that they're a babbling, bumbling band of baboons messing up the sacrifices and work of their predecessors. The contrast to this is Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which expanded and reframed Lucas' vision to, well not fix, but redeem the prequel movies. It's why the prequel trilogy on their own is still a mess, but is enriched with the context of the later TV shows.