Testing Ellen White's Writings (Seventh-day Adventism) | Part 5
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- The Seventh-Day Adventist prophet Ellen White claimed to have seen the past, present, and future. However, certain individuals near the prophetess doubted her supernatural claims. What did she say to those who were not persuaded of her divine revelation?
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro
01:36 - Testimony Claims
12:27 - Testimony Source #1 (Macduff)
15:56 - Testimony Source #2 (Krummacher)
42:40 - Additional Testimony Claims
47:23 - The "Light" from Heaven.
50:31 - Outro
References in order of appearance:
1. Select scenes from the introduction are from:
Our Day in the Light of Prophecy by W. A. Spicer, (1917)
2. Testimonies for the Church Volume 5, Ellen White (1889 ed.)
www.centrowhite.org.br/files/e...
3. Death of Korah, Dathan and Abiram by Gustave Dore, (1865)
4. Life Sketches, James & Ellen White (1880)
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5. Memories of Olivet, John Ross MacDuff (1868 ed.)
ia800203.us.archive.org/15/it...
6. Elijah the Tishbite, F. W. Krummacher (1836 ed.)
books.googleusercontent.com/b...
7. The Captivity and Restoration of Israel [Prophets and Kings], Ellen White (1917)
repo.adventistdigitallibrary....
8. Testimonies for the Church Volume 4, Ellen White (1881 ed.)
www.centrowhite.org.br/files/e...
9. The Great Controversy, Ellen White (1888)
adventistdigitallibrary.org/i...
All books shown on video were printed and copyrighted before 1917, and are thus in the public domain.
Photos of Ellen White courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, Inc.
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As a Former Seventh-Day Adventist of almost 35 years. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing these things to light. I know this was an IMMENSE amount of work; research, compiling and editing all of this. Thank you brother, you don't know how much this means to us!!! Praise God.
Amen
Praise God for leading you out of the deception!
@troywest - Amen and Amen!
@@remnantime3672you and Dwight Nelson...save Ellen by destroying the Bible....really good move don't you think? Sad state of affairs i think!
@@remnantime3672 amazing how you're willing to make false accusations against the apostles to defend a false prophet.
We really should not believe to anyone after the Bible was already completed. Anyone who proclaims that they have heard God after the Bible was already completed is already contradicting the Holy Bible. There will be many false prophets. I am a Christian but I just believe and follow the path of Jesus alone and no one else. Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. No one else.
Amen
Amen! I Completely Agree!
The only safety is in the pure and true word of God and following Jesus Christ and keeping his commandments💯❤❤❤
So show me wrong from the Bible only? you do not seem to even know what we teach.
So no Pastors?
Amen . The church need this enlightenment. Just hope eyes will be opened. Always knew it's not the Bible and the Bible only. Thanks for this.
It's funny how people try to defend her plagiarism by saying that "she didn't know how to write well what she saw in her visions", but the same people believe that Moses, who the bible say was not good as a speaker, was empowered by god to lead a whole nation and gave him the words to speak to the pharaoh. Couldn't god give EGW the right words to write avoiding this whole plagiarism problem?
It's as if God's revelations began with the ruckus of Charleston Heston leading the children of Israel out of Egypt with all of its divine supernatural display, and yet His revelations end with the whimper of a woman taking from the world around her, copyrighting her books, and yelling "Get Ready! I have seen the future".
Well said TTP
Has anyone ever considered that this content is being shadow banned-and oppressed ?
Seriously this channel should be getting thousands of subs…
Think about it…
No. I don't think so. It's just a very niche topic. Unless one is aware of the issue they are not going to go looking for it.
@@TruthSetFree-zm1ep by that logic you could mention earth being flat as the truth.
@@TesttheProphet I searched through alot of Ellen White stuff, and I am surprised I found this. It might be shadow banned.
As crazy as this seems, I don't think the catholic church wants the sda fully exposed. They do alot of damage by existing. How many people leave the sda, only to go to a more mainstream church that is more widely accepted, the people feel freer and less judged, only to be in a sunday church that isn't biblical either?
Excellent presentation bro. You work so hard to bring these undeniable facts to light. May God bless your work and continue to strengthen you.
Hey Hi Thunder where you been having seen any videos from you bro
@@tonyromero8284 I'm here bro. Been working hard on the books, other writings, local ministry, and home duties. I soon finish the last volume and hope to do some videos soon.
@@ReverendThunder 👍Great
Thanks for adding this new episode. Lord bless you and remember your identity is in Christ Jesus. Praise Him
Yes sir. I live for the King.
So excited to wake up today to a new video in your series. I’m watching now! Thank you for your continued efforts in releasing this material.
I hope you’re well Peter!
Thank God for the amount of people speaking out recently.
I am so sick of people telling others that they have the light, beeing rescued, have the answer, knowing the only way, throwing verses from the Bible at you, eating the right food, dressing right, judging others in the name of God, exclude you from the eternal life, making your life miserable because they „ know“. I am sick of all who are useing verses and not simple words what they think, believe and experiencing and feel. The fear, the uncertainty, the doubt, the hope, and the doubt. The anger beeing stuck and not getting further. And can not except that this all is the way we learn. Perfectionism is the goal. No, I do not want that. Was grown up in SDA and left with a lot of drama when I was 19years. EG White was for me as child and juvenile a daily horror. No other books than the Bible and here’s . I still want to scream out loud. I am sick of „ the only right way“. How outrageous for human kind to explain God. We are all are sinners. Who knows what is going on in the heart? Using manipulative techniques to expose you in the name of God is actually narcissistic. Like the the scriptures of Mrs. White. Because she was putting herself on the the self level as the the Bible. Actually over. What a fraud.
@@remnantime3672 yes, I had to. As a child, we had photo presentations in church, at home at the devotions, in sabbatschool, in the preachings, in the callings for prozeliytice, in my education, what I was allowed to do, keeping me back from contact with children outside the church, not even Ice scaring,skiing, not even sommercamps with school, because they maybe would have given me unclean food. How to dress was very important. Make up was from the devil. Juwellery even small and almost unseen, the people in church saw it. And you were brought to ask how you dare you put some decent mascara on. The parents of all us grown in SDA tryed to control everything. When I asked for a book I could not have it. Only the Bible and EG White. I never believed in her visions. She was a bogeyman ( woman ) ruining my life, keeping my parents away from me. Natural joy and fun was only accepted under her watching eye. And love was always combined with right doing. Eternal life? Never to reach for my sinful little soul. Waiting for the Judgement day to get it over with. This is EG White. Destroying people’s harts and minds. What a fraud. My dying sister told me, that the only thing to believe is that Jesus Christ dyed for our sins on the cross and this makes us free. No EG White with maipulative wordsalad . I can not feel or accept what this woman was making up in her rules and claim to have inspiration from god . I am not going so far to say that she is satanic. No, but I do not trust her and believe that she was attention seeking, trying to be special and admired for her spiritual experiences. We see that with many other spiritual leading humans. If her teachings would have made my life joyfully, friendly, and happy, I would respect her. But she did not. She influenced my life in the most horrible way.
@@remnantime3672 yes, from my seventh to eighteenth year. I only can say, Papa and Mama, what have you done to me? Leaving me depressed and not ready for life?
@@remnantime3672what makes you say her writings?? Her handwriting is virtually unreadable, she had a grade 3 education and it is well accepted...even by the church that she plagiarized...sometimes whole books. Oops her enablers Davis and Bolton did the writing...ellen got the benefits! So sad so many have been duped!
@@remnantime3672 I found White a great comfort. Not raised as a Christian.
But so far not a single one of SDA doctrines has been discussed.
@@ruthwelterlen9776 how?
Great Job TTP, you're the best!
The way she manipulates her words to try to scare them is an age old narcissistic tactic i know all to well. After hearing and reading hers words regarding those who question her reminds me so much of a narcissist I used to know and lived with for several years. Its a type of spell casting on their victims
Intimidation and manipulation, that is domination. That is not the voice of our Lord. It is witchcraft. It always operates this way. To dominate.
YYYYEEEEESSSSS finally been anxiously awaiting the next video. Perfect timing I hope there's something in it for my SDA roommate. Thank you brother gonna watch shortly!! Been praying for you. I trust no matter life's challenges God is with you and keeping you well 🙏
@@remnantime3672 - well based on your comment, you obviously didn't watch the video!
@@remnantime3672 Yes, actually I most certainly do understand Adventism, I was a baptized Adventist at some point back. In these past couple of months I have come to learn that Adventism is a cult, with a woman, EG White a false prophet who plagiarized others writings but said she was receiving visions from God, which she didn't. If you had the same understanding about Adventism as I now do, you wouldn't be there any longer either! I pray for those in Adventism that they will awake from spiritual darkness!!
@@remnantime3672 - It seems you didn't understand my previous comment. Do you know what the word plagiarize means?
Because you're asking me if I read the Desire of Ages, which yes I have, but again as I stated in my previous comment " I have come to learn that Adventism is a cult, with a woman, EG White a false prophet who plagiarized others writings but said she was receiving visions from God, which she didn't."...The Desire of Ages is also plagiarized.
Thank you for taking the time to continue to expose this false religion. Each video builds on the previous and they just keep getting better.
AcademyApologia
Yes TTP is phenomenal and you do some excellent work yourself!
Thank you !
@@TruthSetFree-zm1ep These videos are the best!
AcademyApologia
That is a humble and wonderful comment coming from you Brother.
Yes these presentations are so crystal clear-so well presented-and so irrefutable it’s hard to get any better that’s for sure.
Once again though you yourself do some excellent work and together with a few others the house of cards is coming down.
It’s not about a day-and it’s not about keeping the law.
We must tell people the Truth about Gods Word.
Paul said even if an Angel from Heaven preaches another Gospel…you know the rest.
God Be with you.
@@TruthSetFree-zm1ep Thank you and we are all on the same team. You, me, Test the Prophet and many others. I so appreciate the work others do and each brings a unique perspective and skill set to the table. The free flow of information is the enemy of false religion who was used to hiding, but they are getting exposed every day.
@@AcademyApologia
I agree with @TruthSetFree 2021 , you both are doing great work.
In 2020 I had so many questions, but not enough answers, that’s when I found you. Thank you again!
Was anxious for this. Finally!!
Excellent in depth information on how EG White’s writings actually put their believers in fear of doubting her. This is how Satan blinds the hearts & minds of SDA members.
My research makes it clear to me that EGW was an avid reader from her youth.
She read and made her own the ideas and doctrines of leading Millerites after the Great Disappointment, using those ideas to create her supposed "visions".
Later she acquired a large library of Christian books which she devoured and plagiarized from to create her books.
In her later writings and letters she takes on an intellectual and rational tone as if she is of a higher level of reasoning and understanding than all of the Adventist membership.
She was quite a talented con-woman.
I've come to this same conclusion. I think she was taken off with the apocalyptic message of Miller, and after being convinced, she then used "visions" to propagate her convictions. At least that is one theory.
@@remnantime3672 Did you know that the Torah (Old Testament) was and is considered open source for Jews?
It was for the use of the community and could be repeated for the benefit of the community.
It was also assumed that the readers would know that the statements came from the Torah.
The writers of Matthew and Luke borrowed from Mark which was written first. John's Gospel is of another order entirely and does not borrow from Mark.
Again these were open source writings for and of the Christian community and were not published books being marketed for money and having protected authorial rights.
That is very different from EGW borrowing vast swaths of ideas and quotes from published private books available on the book market.
In some cases over 70 per cent of the material was plagiarized.
Just keep that in mind when trying to make her situation equivalent to a New Testament writer.
@@remnantime3672 Your point is nonsense.
It is not the same principle at all.
EGW was taking ideas and words from published works that were available for payment and she then used them in books that she charged money for and put her name as the author.
Are you saying that everyone she copied from were Apostles whose words are open source for all Christians?
Please show me the evidence for that.
What do you mean that her writings should be all over the place and that she had to be led by the Spirit of God?
Anyone can read several books and copy portions that make points they want to make.
No supernatural power needed for that.
@@remnantime3672 Did you view the video and all the other ones on this channel?
It is clearly shown what the dates of publication were and the authors of the works.
That she copied from works that were written before her works is clear and factual.
@@remnantime3672 Do you really want to know or are you just defending Mrs White regardless?
It is very easy to find them.
For example I typed Elijah the Tishbite by F.W. Krummacher into Google and it is available.
If you are serious they are available.
Hey Thank you for coming back long time didn't hear from you as always great video
Keep up the great work. This has been eye opening.
I am impressed with the completeness of your videos! Thank you for sharing and doing TONS of leg work!
Thank you. Others have contributed to the research as well.
@@TesttheProphet I am sure they have, Tell them thank you on my behalf. You have even further strengthened my belief in leaving Adventism and finding Christ.
Will do. Christ is all you need!
This is some outstanding work you did!
"I was shown ", "God showed me".... yes in another writer's book(unispired)
Sideline question: Why did Ellen write 100,000 pages of anything? (according to her estate) The word of God is about 1,200 pages. Who knew... that it was insufficient?
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Amplified Bible
16 All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately-behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage]; 17 so that the [a]man of God may be complete and proficient, outfitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.
I think the official position would be that she wrote to point us back to the Bible. But as you suggest, it is head scratching when you realize just how much she "wrote".
Thank you for the enlightening information you’ve painstakingly put together. I have come to your channel through watching SDA Q&A. Only came into the church about 7 years ago but always had a big Q around the authenticity of EGW. No longer a member but have some very dear friends. Need to fellowship somewhere, even though my beliefs are greatly different from before.
It seems the sda position that during the socalled "end times" or the "last generation" would need a special prophet with a unique and new message for them is assumed onto the text and doesnt come from the text. Another epic video, thank you.
Yes. Ponder how significant the world has transformed since the 1800s. If she saw the future (our time), or further--why did she not notice it looked completely different than the Victorian era? You would think airplanes, submarines, automobiles, computers, modern housing, space rockets, satellites, telephones, and technology in general would all have clued her in that she was not going to be translated because it was so different from her era. Look at what she wrote in 1888 (134 years ago!):
"The hour will come; it is not far distant, *and some of us who now believe will be alive* upon the earth, and shall see the prediction verified, and hear the voice of the archangel and the trump of God echo from mountain and plain and sea to the uttermost parts of the earth." - Ellen White, Advent Review and Herald 7/31/1888
Source: adventistdigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/adl:350407/datastream/PDF/view (page 482 middle left)
All of those people are dead and none of them saw Jesus return--including the one who "saw" the past, present, and future.
@@TesttheProphet Your bias is showing. That is a picture of the resurrection day. Would not a fraud be more careful to make such statements? Or I guess not. Good work. Now, let us fi d Carmen San Diego.
@@TesttheProphet I think you should study the different views of inspiration. Whether she is legit or not, by your comments regarding what kind of predictions she ought to have made, you seem to have a very problematic notion of inspiration and prophecy.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but I do not see the issue here. She claimed that some of those alive when she wrote that column would be alive at the Second Coming. Should I not take her word for this prediction? Elaborate...
I can't believe people are still falling for a so-called prophet from the 19th century.
Finally! 🔥
What a great job you have done Here sir. Fourth gen that came out to the true gospel. Thank you!
Forgot to mention my observation of the SDA general conference 2022 session messages
it gave meeting a clear indication though SAD that EG White and proudly proclaimed spirit of prophecy is the foundational pillar the church can't let go off. She is loved and idolised. That's why I pray these type of videos will speak to many that in future the votes on this point could mean a positive change for the church .
I’ve been meaning to watch the conference. Any timestamps for when they discuss egw?
If you check RUclips. Ted Wilson Hold fast what you have.
List unchangeable list of the church believe including the central pillar of course. He mentioned it was voted in to maintain SOP and thank believers.
All the questionable doctrines holds - Sabbath,EG White as SOP, Investigative judgement , Mark of beast and seal of God in 3 angels messages etc etc. Very proudly stated as the only correct Remnant of God. And of course all other churches Mark of the beast are losing out.
Thanks. I'll check it out.
Great work and amazing production value! Thanks for doing this with facts and sources.
Where on RUclips is this? Way to go TTP. Your messages are just what I needed.
Growing up in sda we were taught that egw was virtually illiterate, yet she has a library of 1,000+ books and allegedly wrote 50,000+ pages of material.
It’s absolutely miraculous that God gave her 2,000+ visions, so much information from The Thrown Of Heaven that God then had to direct her to human author’s to source the words for her writings - how convenient that human author’s had written these things that could later became inspired and carried apostolic authority……🤢🤮
Right! and this same "prophet" lifted big bibles! EGW is more related to carnival tricks, not the bible.
@@AcademyApologia they would also have us believe she was a gentle kind hearted woman - go do some research about what she did to those who questioned her.
@@davidblowe9096 OH! yes,. der kind sweet Ellen. Right! the same Ellen White who said:
"I saw that you were rearing children to be cut down by the destroying angel unless you speedily turn square about and be faithful to your children. Think you that God can cover or hide iniquity in children and preserve them whom He hates? No, never. *God hates unruly children who manifest passion and evil tempers, etc.* He cannot save them in the time of trouble. *They will be eternally lost through parents’ neglect. Their blood will be upon their parents.* How can parents be saved with the blood of their children upon them, when they might have saved their children? God says, “I know Abraham, that he will command his household after him.” [Genesis 18:19.]"
This Ellen or as I say "Wicked Ellen" Ellen White was evil on many levels
Ellen also had 2 women doing writing for her. That helped her cover more ground. Sadly in battle creek what one confessed was hidden quite well.
@@stephencoe2231 Indeed she did and the stories they could tell...
Be blessed
I'm pleased to view your most recent video exposing the myth of Ellen White to the light of judicious inquiry. I had begun to worry that somehow the church had silenced you.
Nope. I needed to focus on other things for a few months.
This confirms it for me. She was a scammer, a con-artist. Seeking to possibly gain monetarily through her plagarized works. She crafted this so well that many are deceived and it's difficult to see the lies.
The moment someone tells you to buy her book is already a red flag.
In part 4 I show a letter from her that suggests Adventists will not be saved if they do not sell her books. It was quite a shock to me.
@@TesttheProphet Thank you for making this video. I have been searching for the truth myself in the past year. I stopped making reaction videos (as my channel suggest) because I realized that it takes so much time and I am not being able to be closer to God and Jesus, and so I started searching and reading the Holy Bible and came across your channel. Going back to Ellen, it is right that her writings will shock anyone because the writings are written to scare the readers to believe her and I can see how many will fall under that scary tactics.
It is amazing to read the Bible without her influence. You will not regret the time you spend studying the Word. God bless.
@@TesttheProphet May God bless you too. I am trying my best each day to find the truth and do things according to His will. Previously when I pray, it was all about praying for what I want but I was wrong, I couldn’t find the happiness by praying for many material things in life. Therefore I start to find true happiness according to God’s will.
@REACTIONSUNLIMITED - Yes, Exactly!
I really appreciate your quiet and thoughtful approach to this sticky subject. I have watched many videos on this false prophet and even joined groups on fb thinking i would find like mindedness. Unfortunately what i have found is hatefulness and bitterness towards not only egg white but to the whole denomination. There are many many people in the sda church that are blindly following and to approach them in such an aggressive and angry hateful way doesn’t do anyone any good. And it’s just sooo unnecessary. I left all the aggressive hateful groups against sda’s. I left the sda church 30 plus years ago but i harbor no angst. In fact, I’m grateful for what i gained being in the cult. There were some very positive outcomes. Btw, please keep doing these. It’s sad to see your newest one is a year old. Come back please and do more.
Thank you.
I believe the hatred that you mention observing in some groups against SDAs, is the realization of how much damage one person can inflict on millions of people. Subtle distortions of scripture, legalism, lack of assurance--these are not trivial matters and when one sees their loved ones caught up in this it can set them off.
@@TesttheProphet initially when I discovered that the Sda church was a false church with a false prophet i too was devastated and then angry. I went through a slew of negative emotions as i grieved my entire identity, realizing it was a sham. So i understand the pain and anger but it’s unhealthy to feed on it, especially with others. It becomes a mob mentality
I too researched my way out of the SDA in 2016/17. And I was VERY angry at the deception and the lies at our spiritual expense. But I'm also clear that there were benefits I've received. I also had to quickly come to terms with the truth that all the members of my church were also deceived. They are not the problem, they too love God and want to serve Him in truth. It's the "LEADERSHIP" of the organization that should feel the brunt of my anger.
But soon not even that was justifiable God says FORGIVE. All the bitterness and anger is of the devil and serves his purpose so folks need to let go the hurt and animosity and GIVE IT TO GOD
The SDA beliefs were very well planned and constructed hence many will never leave as they are convinced they are the remnant, my sister being one of them who has refused to watch anything I’ve passed on to her, instead she deletes anything that threatens her faith in SDA church so I no longer bother. She believes it is the work of the devil. All I can lean on is that she does love the Lord and accepts that he died for her sins. I am the one who may not be saved because I don’t worship on Sabbath. She has told me of several friends testimonies stating that the Lord led them to the true church, the SDA church.
@@lione1morris620very well stated. It is definitely well planned and constructed. They methodically program them with their nefarious teachings. The worst programming that they have is that they are THEEEE ONE TRUE CHURCH. With that false thinking, everything else pales for them in comparison. They sit on top of the denominational food chain so to speak.
It’s like anything people belong to. It’s an identity crisis. People of the sda denomination PROUDLY identify as SDA’s. They identify with the name and it’s belief system. Many who are in the cult, see everything they do and are as associated with their denomination. First and foremost they are Seventh day Adventists. Everything else comes after this ideology and identity. Therefore is very very difficult to redefine and let go of that long held identity..
Thank you for your time and effort my brother , it’s a sobering reality not to trust man and to just stick with the word of God, I have been In this church for 5 years now , I have learned a lot , but there was things like Ellen white that were always questionable in my eyes, it’s confirmed now , May God bless you
31:38 - "There is a spirit of idolatrous exaltation of mere human reason above the revealed wisdom of God."
I doubt you will ever find a better explanation of SDA and their absolute fixation on egw.
46:30 here it is - she is claiming to be God's "delegated servant" !
The way you share each step to follow the tangible evidence alongside your thought process is already more than sufficient to make a fair, diligent and convincing case. The way you sum it up, repeating only a selection the most solid and irrefutible facts that became abundantly clear during the examination to end in so much understatement not only leaves the slain elephant levitating (for the listener to pick up resp. pull down in his own time and manner). To me, it also stood in stark contrast to the grueling crescendo of ever more vague, yet all the louder claims to authority and veracity and ever broadly sweeping and deeply overreaching condemnation, unsubstantiated threats and accusation on part of the subject of investigation.
The rest of my personal impression is very tangible on an experiential level of pattern recognition, morally and also down to visceral reactions, but I won't repeat here what I shouted both in my head and in my kitchen while following the trial. Not because I regret any of it, but because it is up to each one to reach their own convictions and to judge rightly.
There's a terrifyingiceberg, and you clearly located, demonstrated, proved just the very tip of it. Imho, the admittance to at least that is vital, inevitable and overdue. To fathom what lies underneath and how that has been impacting us individually and a church (or even broader society as touched by both the narrative and the strivings) is up to each individual in the audience. I pray that they allow the Holy Spirit to lead and convict them in His own precise and gentle way so they can repent, flee to Christ and heal.
God hates idolatry and SDA members needs to see this.
Yes, and Ellen violated the first commandment repeatedly by claiming to speak in behalf of God when she wasn’t really.
@@remnantime3672 Testimonies 5 page 66 and 67. She says if you dont obey her writing you are rebelling against God.
@@remnantime3672 🙂 is it now? So when she says somehing silly like... telling you that meat eating is a sin, contrary to the CLEAR teaching of scripture...then Disobeying her is Disobeying God?
Its sad you CLEARLY dont know half of what she taught. Otherwise you would not have made such a stupid statement. In much of the GARBAGE she wrote She even manages to contradict HERSELF dozens of times.
So I guess she disobeyed God by not remembering what Jesus supposedly told her to pass on as prophecy? What a joke 😂
@@remnantime3672 If you are too lazy or too uniformed to know the writings I am referring to then you are not ready to have this discussion. A shame you Ellenites are willing to defend her so tenaciously at the expense of the gospel.
@@remnantime3672 No, they are not. Keep living in your delusion if you wish.
I was really blown away by this series. Is this the last or are you preparing material for more episodes?
Oh plenty more will come. I’ve been on a break.
@@TesttheProphet awesome!👍🏼
Thankyou so much for putting this RUclips channel together. 🙏 I left the church approximately 30 years ago. This is the best evidence put together that Ellen White was indeed a false prophet.
Looking at her picture is so scary.
My favorite Adventist claim is that the "dark day" of 1780 and how it was a fulfillment of prophecy even though the dark day only took place in parts of New England and Eastern Canada and no where else in the world and was attributed to thick smoke from fires on the prairies....LOL
Here is a video that discusses this topic: ruclips.net/video/uWO6a_t9ikc/видео.html
True. Also how is it that Adventists today will tell you that Christ cannot come back quite yet because the Message has not reached every nation and tongue but the Millerites who were led by God and studied the Bible thoroughly according to EGW, thought Christ would return in 1844 even though the Gospel obviously had not reached every nation?
Easy. They would argue “present truth”.
@@TesttheProphet Yes and they would also say God hid the real understanding of scripture from the Milerites on purpose.
I believe you are referring to this quote:
“I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.”-Early Writings, Ellen White.
I've just skimmed through your 5 videos. I really appreciate you taking time to compile such useful information. Would you mind if I've use and reference parts of your videos as I am looking to launch RUclips channels in the attempt to correctly indoctrinate against these cults?
Sure. Once your channel is up email me testtheprophet@outlook.com I'd love to take a look.
@Test the Prophet thank you and I will certainly notify you, but this won't get launched probably for several months. I am still in the preparation stage.
Thank you
What camera do you use to record?
This video was filmed with a Sony A7III.
Ellen White's writings have astonished great medical scholars ,like Clive McCay, Ph.D. a professor of nutrition at Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, conveyed the same conviction when , in a speech before gathering in Memphis, Tennessee, he made the following statement :”The writing of E.G.White provide the guide to nutrition that comprehends the whole body on Ministry of Healing or Counsels on Diet and Foods,„ he is impressed by the correctness of her teachings in the light of modern nutritional science .
Does eating meat make one sexually excited?
Does the wearing of wigs cause the head to cave in?
So where has your journey led you now? Non denominational, Church of God, or Seventh Day Baptist?
I can’t remember where EGW said some are for worms, some will be live when Jesus returns. Can someone give me that book, page? Way to go TTP very needed for SDAs to wake up.
"But we were yet to pass through another severe trial. At the Conference a very solemn vision was given me. I saw that some of those present would be food for worms, some subjects for the seven last plagues, and some would be translated to Heaven at the second coming of Christ, without seeing death.” Life Sketches (1880) James & Ellen White
I been an Adventist for 7 years now and I became one because I asked a lot of questions in my former church to which I did not get very satisfactory answers, but I believe in all honesty and sincerity, the SDA church gave me logical answers to those questions thus I joined the church. I ask a lot of questions generally which is why I ended up here in the first place. At this point I have seen the evidence being brought up against Ellen White and this may not be the point of what this channel is trying to achieve, however if her writings aren't the truth and the SDA church is a false religion/church/denomination or however you wanna call it, then which one is the true one? As a christian we are supposed to follow or believe in Jesus and God and congregate with fellow christians aren't we? So where should we do this and why should we follow that particular church/denomination/religion?
@hillz_anesu. No one needs to attend a church denomination with an Ellen G White, Joseph Smith type figure attached to it.
@hillz_anesu I am Adventist as well. For me the evidence is clear that she was not sent from God. I believe the doctrines and prophecies taught by the SDA church as I have studied them for myself. But this has nothing to do with EW. Our beliefs are not based on her writings, and can be proven from the Bible. All she did was take what other had already written and claim that God "revealed" them to her, like the US being the second beast of Revelation 13, Sunday being the mark of the beast, the 2300 years ending in 1844 etc.
Hi thanks for the question. It is one many SDAs have. My dad has been asking the same when he is confronted with information like what's on this video. I will share what i tell him. I say Dad I don't think the way to go is to START by asking which is the true church. Start where you are by asking is the evidence about Mrs. White and the cover up of the SDA church factual or not. Do not make the question if its not this one then which one your next move. This is about you and GOD. God requires faith. ACT on what you have discovered as the truth of the SDA and THEN ask God the next question - where do you want me to worship.
When you sit in the SDA expecting God to reveal MORE TRUTH when you are not prepared to act on what truth is has ALREADY provided then you can rest assured it is not likely He is going to reveal more until you TRUST AND OBEY what He has already shared with you.
My advice is take the next step of faith. Act on what He has given you and He will reveal the next step to you but not before.
By the way not everything that egw and the sdac believe and teach is false. Of the 28 fundamental beliefs don't forget that about TWENTY THREE OR FOUR of them is basic Christian teaching. So no one is saying there's is not truth in it. But they have lied, covered up and deceived for well over a century and there is just too much to PROVE that for any genuine seeker to be still be wandering around trying to "figure it out"
To the person who originally asked I would say that there is no reason to avoid testing the prophet. Jesus warned against the rising of false prophets, clearly because there would be true prophets. The thing to remember is: Who provides the tests or criteria to determine who is a true prophet?
The Bible does:
Here they are:
Make predictions that “come to pass” (Jeremiah 28:9)
Glorify God rather than themselves (John 16:13)
Do not give their own private interpretations (2 Peter 1:20, 21)
Point out sin (Micah 3:5-8)
Warn of coming judgment (Isaiah 24:20, 21)
Edify the church (1 Corinthians 14:3, 4)
Give messages that harmonize with the Bible (Isaiah 8:20)
Teach that Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3)
Have a Christ-like character (Matthew 7:16-20).
Are obedient to the will of God (Deuteronomy 18:18).
Let these be your guide.
An amazing video idea would be examining the plagiarism of Ellen white when she is supposedly directly (in parenthesis) quoting God or an angel and even that is direct plagiarize.
Please do this video because a person close to me ignores all other plagiarism but won't ignore that! Thank you for the heart!
He gives many examples in these videos....she will say "I was shown," or "I was told," and then proceed to copy from another author. I suggest watching again and taking notes because you will find several good examples.
@@kelsiepchallenge I will rewatch, thank you. To clarify, I meant Ellen white quoting sometime in parenthesis that is supposedly directly from God " .... " , then what is in is parenthesis is directly plagiarized. Not just her saying, I was shown.
Where in scripture does the Lord give permission for women to preach or teach men? That question alone should prove that Ellen White was not receiving anything from the Sprit of God, but from a demon, to preach a false gospel.
What is further interesting is that by claiming to receive information from the supernatural, a Victorian woman was able to bypass cultural expectations and speak in front of men.
@@TesttheProphet maybe because she had Masonic handlers who told her what to say?
@@TesttheProphet I saw a photo of Ellen White in one of your videos between two men holding one of their hands in their coats.
@@healingrays3762 Some have speculated what that means. I haven't studied it so I cannot give an opinion.
ruclips.net/video/oVP8Ty8bPkY/видео.html
You got a nice and soothing voice you should make asmr videos. Btw same with you I sense an odd vibes in Ellen White.
Thank you.
like This humble vessel uneducated in human schools is the most prolific author of all time. Almost 110 years after her death, her writings are printed in the order of millions of copies in more than 150 languages. Ellen White received messages not only for the time in which she lived, but was entrusted with the task of warning future generations of the events that will confront mankind until the final victory of good. The books written by her describe in detail all the events of the great conflict between good and evil. Everything she wrote clearly describes what we do not understand enough from the Bible:
You are missing the elephant in the room.
She was able to write all she did as uneducated as she was BECAUSE she stole those writings from others.
Supernatural!!!
There is no Holy Spirit power or sense of victory in EGW's writings and theology.
90% of her writings are reproofs and harangues against sins , worldliness and unbelief among "God's Remnant Church".
@@remnantime3672 Why would you ask that?
Have you read much of Ellen White?
@@remnantime3672 Well I have read all her major writings and as I said before too high a percentage of them deal with her complaining and upbraiding members and expressing how hard and terrible the Jacob's Trouble will be.
She did not have the Holy Spirit of Victory.
Pray for discernment and you will see.
@@remnantime3672 Jacob's Trouble is one way of describing the climax of the Last Days, also called the Great Tribulation or Time of Trouble.
It is indeed great but our Lord tells us in John 16:33 the following so we will know how to face it:
" “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
Grace and Peace.
@@remnantime3672 No, I never said that.
No piece of cake, but greater is He that is within the Christ follower than he that is in the world, so we have confidence and peace going through the tribulation, not fear and anxiety.
@@remnantime3672 Please read the final chapters of The Great Controversy and you will get your answer.
OMG. This was truly amazing. As an ex-SDA, and Atheist, this really bothers me. It bothers me because I was in a system where the claimed source (The Bible) was not in fact the source of information. The Bible has major issues...however, White's work is just bullshit. You cannot now convince me that she is anything but a demented charlatan. I would like to say it was all due to that head injury and possibly epilepsy, but the plagiarism? That seems malevolent. Maybe she got a taste of some sweet cash from book sales and then decided to wrote about 50 TIMES more pages than the Bible? Sorry, but this video just floored me and was illuminating (unlike her writings). Remember, I am an Atheist now, but her claims of being the only one to share God's light sounds like some prideful boasting and bullshit!
People love to point to Steps To Christ as such a groundbreaking work. But, having read that....how the hell could she possibly know what Christ was thinking? Oh yeah, she was a prophet and of course you just can't question a prophet of disprove them. Most of what she writes contradicts established scripture, but hey, she was a prophet/s. NO I am not bashing on women. I also think that pompous man that is Saint Agustin is just as bad. I am sure that introducing the ideas of City of God vs City of Man was totally helpful to the movement and didn't hurt the ideas of us actually having agency in this world. Great video BTW. I feel like a massive idiot for ever believing SDA bullshit and lies. Not everything was a lie, but the more I learn, the closer to cult status I am going to put that church. The so-called prophet was very much "touched in the head" as they used to say in the 19th Century. The end of the world is still waiting because Jesus clearly operates on an Intel 8088 processor that is moving so slowly that in a few 1000 years, he might finally come back, maybe, if we say please? This is mostly sarcasm, because that prophecy is NOT in established scripture. Not the way she wrote it. Food for thought.
Look up "THE CRUCIFIX FISH - WHAT THE CRUCIFIX FISH REVEALS"
Ok being an athiest is utter nothing!
Athiesm = nonsense. (Nonsensation after death)
You would be a fool not to accept Jesus as your lord and savior.
Ok, I got through your series and I have some criticisms, despite it being well-made.
1. Did you address the actual test of a prophet from Deut. 18:20-22? I didn't catch that part. It seemed to me that you spent the vast majority of the time highlighting plagiarism, which is tenuously linked to "thou shalt not steal", despite quoting others not being stealing (or we'd all be guilty).
2. Just a question, but did you get the impression that a certain percentage of her work could be said to be plagiarised, and what percentage that might be? If we imagined it was 50%, let's say, although I would start off guessing it was a much smaller figure, what do we do with the remaining 50%? If she has the ability to write that much, and so well, why would she have a need to copy? If she didn't have a need, then what other reasons could there be for the copying? You did address the possibility here, but I don't think you addressed the above implication.
3. If most or all of the authors she copied from have been forgotten, and yet their work has survived to the present largely because of Ellen, would you say that's a net benefit for the reader or no?
I'm not certain we have the correct approach in judging prophets. Look at our experience. We have none. Apparently there hasn't been a prophet for 2000 years. Are we correct to use only our preconcieved interpretations of how to judge whether a prophet is true or no? Maybe, maybe not. I think you've done some solid work here, and I don't want to take anything away, but some questions remain.
I'm currently looking into the calendar of the bible, and trying to figure out if the Sabbath is tied to the calendar or not. So far, I find the sola scriptura approach to be fairly straightforward: There is no way to tell which day is Saturday from reading the bible alone that I can see. There is however a fairly straightforward way to figure out the Sabbath based on the sky calendar that God made and Gen 1:14 references. Ellen didn't write about this, and if she was wrong, I wouldn't necessarily blame her. No one human has been given all the truth, that I know of.
Just a quick comment.
There ARE prophets. MANY. Both legitimate and false still very much in operation. What you're looking through when you made the comment are STILL 7th Day Adventist LENS. THEY have made claims to one alone AND it's kinda appalling to see that they think the promise of 1Cor 12 about this one spiritual gift could possibly be LIMITED to one single solitary woman from the 1800s. Did God limit the gift of healing, faith, wisdom, teaching, administration, helps, discernment to the 1800s? And why has this one gift been practically singled out and worshipped by this "church"?
Regarding the matter of a thief keeping the original authors books alive I'm curious as to what point are you trying to make? HER "books" taken together have done far more damage to the human soul than being a blessing. And have their work "survived to present"?? A few seventh day adventists on the planet make reference to them in their online discussions and you think that translates into "survived"? Come on.
And it is more than 50%. Do some research on the two SDA scholars who were hired by the church to investigate the accusations - Dr Fred Veltmam and I think the other is Ronald McAdams.
Do you have maby, declarations from Adventist church or Ellen G. White about neccesity of sabbath keeping and condemnation if one don't do it?
Here is a passage she wrote to the youth: "Those who wish to be blest and approved of the Lord in this world, and who expect to finally be saved, and have right to the tree of life, must keep the Sabbath holy...On six days you may talk of business matters, and lay plans that are necessary; but the Sabbath is holy time, and all worldly thoughts must, on that day, be dismissed from the mind. The blessing of God will then rest upon you, and you will have the sweet consolations of his Spirit, and you will also have confidence when you approach the throne of grace." Ellen White -- The Youth Instructor 1853.
@@TesttheProphet
Thank you, do you have even more of such? Becasue in Poland, Adventist takes tactic "we never teach that you must keep sabath in saturday to be saved"
I will get back to you, I am quite busy at this time.
Sorry, didn't get name of the presenter ? of these 5 videos that I appreciate very much
I did not provide my name. I'm happy to hear they were helpful to you.
@@TesttheProphet
Why don't you state your name so we can find out who went to the trouble of compromising or presenting the truth in this way?
If you stand by that truth, why are you anonymous?
She was not anonymous!
What if you are simply a Jesuit, or educated by their ideas?
If you want to subject her work to scrutiny, let us subject your life and your thoughts to scrutiny.
Otherwise this work of yours will not stand.
@@SolaScriptura7 My life has nothing to do with the content on this channel. You will have to come up with better arguments than childish Jesuit accusations.
@@SolaScriptura7 😂😂 and this complaint is being posted by none other than "solascriptura7" How do we know you're not Ted Wilson trolling to counter TRUTH.
Sir/Madam TRUTH in your church is determined by who is speaking (that's how cults work) TRUTH does not need a name or can stand on its own and be judged accordingly.
I fully support the decision to regain anonymous cuz all you "Defenders of the Faith" do is REPLICATE your leader's (egw) dastardly approach to criticism by attacking the messenger and ignore the message. His decision not to get into that distraction is called - WISDOM
My dear sir, you are completely wrong. These videos have contributed to my knowledge of the truth. I have made Slovak subtitles for them and posted them on my channel with the permission of the author. Greetings to you from Slovakia.
God bless you.@@jayceejm
Answer ...why did Yah allow that Battle Creek Sanitarium to be burned down.??? Because they were doing wrong.
My question is, if she were truly a prophetess being directed by the Holy Spirit to know past present and future. Why prior to her death did she choose a evil Freemasonry obelisk for her grave site? She also uses New age rhetoric in her writings, God’s all seeing eye, vital force, ect. many things she says in her writings don’t align with the Bible.. The SDA church has headquarters at the UN, the hub of one world religion.. SDA church takes part in UN 17 sustainable goals to reach by 2030..
I don't claim any knowledge on Freemasonry so I cannot weigh in any connection with EGW. The SDA position I've heard was that obelisk's were common in her day.
There are other, dare I say, supernatural/occult(ish) practices that she flirted with that I hope to cover later. However, I will leave that up to the viewer to make the decision.
@@TesttheProphet She buried her husband under one. And then she made that request. Serenity 95 I have taken a look at it and it is too much influence in her writings and decisions for it to be a coincidence. PLUS I would imagine her own "gift" should have guided her even if it was a matter of popularity. There's a lot of popular new age and occultic imagery all around today.....no way I would be wearing them and flashing them "because they are popular"
A had a hunch there was a lot of gnostic crap in the Adventist church
I wonder if she copied things from Charlotte Mason about education. Some ideas in their writings are very similar.
I’m not sure but I would argue Horace Mann was definitely an influence.
... You seem to have done your research! ... Can you please share what, if anything, she has stated on the origins of "Christmas" on "December 25th", and whether we should be observing it or not, and/or partaking of all of it's paraphernalia that goes along with it; the xmas tree, misteltoe, etc...? Thx.
I remember she was not happy about it, unless you bought her books, and gave them away. What is more important is that Jesus celebrated Hanukkah even if it was not mentioned as a day to celebrate in the Bible. Hanukkah is a celebration to remember the cleansing of the temple as prophesized by Daniel, the same day hijacked by SDA to be about a imaginary heavenly temple.
If we in modern time have a day to openly celebrate Jesus, (even if it was not his birthday) why should we reject to spread the gospel and celebrate with a nativity scene on display ? In a few days we celebrate reformation day with shearing gospel tracks and candy to small kids coming around. Never reject a day to shear the gospel and good news to young and old.
Chris, perhaps this will be helpful to you:
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/757/toc
@@annagudmundsen4419 ... Shabbat Shalom and good morning! ... And, well, ... whether or not to share the gospel every day of the year, isn't the question... But yea, should true christians be decking out a "christ-mass" tree, and/ or even displaying "graven-images" of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus ... on the day that was rooted in pagan sun-god worship, and later celebrated as the birth of The One True God's Son,... is - the - question?
( Jeremiah 10 : 1 - 5 ... Isaiah 57 : 5 ... Exodus 20 : 4 ... Deut. 12 : 29 - 32 ... 1 Corinthians 10 : 21 )
Nevermind really, what Ellen White says... or the Pope says... or what the preacher down the street says!..
But WHAT does The "Word Of God" Say??? ...
( And true... Hanukkah was/is commemorated for the cleansing of the earthly temple made with hands...
And is also as an object lesson of the future "anti-christ" / "man of sin" for the last days; ...
( Foreshadowed as a type, by Antiochus Epiphanes ), who "outlawed" the Torah, including YHWH's holy sabbath day, etc;... replacing it with the "image" of the 'sun-god" Zeus, within the "temple" of God to be "worshipped", and "sacrificing/ and eating", "swines flesh" to it! ... ( Does THAT ring any bells??? )
( - 1st and 2nd Book of Maccabees ) ... Shalom.
@@TesttheProphet ... Yes, thank you...
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq Modern Christmas trees originated during the Renaissance in early modern Germany. Its 16th-century origins are sometimes associated with Protestant Christian reformer Martin Luther, who is said to have first added lighted candles to an evergreen tree.
He also took the gifts from a Roman tradition about St Nicolas and moved them to 24/25 (In Nordic countries it is 24) to shift the Joy of gifts to children from a dead man to Christ. I have no problem with the two things. The more focus on Christ, and less focus on everything/body else is a good thing.
It is your choice to take the day of the year that is most celebrated in the western world and celebrate it or not.
I was not in Egypt, so no need for me to observe it.
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
This is a link to an interview with Dale Ratzlaff, who was studying to be an SDA pastor, and discovered that the theology he was studying was not biblical. ruclips.net/video/J50HlZFYHtY/видео.html Matthew 10:14, Christ says to avoid those who refuse to hear the truth. As you said in your introduction, there is a type of "reverence" about "Sister White". Many will try to say she never called herself a prophet.... this usually comes from a twisted interpretation of Selected Messages, where she called herself a messenger, and in the Review and Herald article July 26,1906 she called her work "much more than a prophet" and also called herself a medical missionary. This is double speak to avoid being called a false prophetess, by saying she never said prophet... no she called her work "more than a prophet". Christ warned us about false teachers and false prophets on more than one occasion, so I would say it's an important topic. Thank you for your research, this would make a good documentary.
This is on the investigative judgment that Ellen White invented. ruclips.net/video/NwUdQA8R9Rw/видео.html
could you substantiate writings where she allegedly copied words..without acknowledging them pls..
This series shows this…?
What percentage did she use other sources? I heard that it was less than 2%, which is really nothing when you think about how much she wrote.
@user-uy6mk3xh2f - The issue about her lies bigger and deeper than whatever percentage you care to tack to her use of outside sources, because it's about the fact that she was constantly stating "she saw", "God showed me", "I had a vision", "I dreamed", etc., etc. which were completely False bogus Lies! She is NOT a true prophet, so Don't make excuses for HER! Cherish the Truth from the Bible alone and just be Thankful you're still alive and allow God to lead you to HIS truth...but Ellen ISN'T it!!
My own research takes it up to 80%
Look up the two studies done by SDA scholars that were commissioned by the church in the 80s and 70s. Look up the name Dr. FRed Veltman and Dr. Ronald McAdams. It is faaaaar more. And the church has been covering up this for over a century.
Quelle vaste tromperie😢. Comment peut-on témoigner du caractère de Jésus Christ ?Et enseigner aux autres ces valeurs(justice,équité,amour.....😮)?Que Dieu ait pitié 🙏🏾
Here is a list of books (1,587), compiled by the White Estate, that Ellen White had in her private and office collection:
library.llu.edu/heritage-research-center/egw-estate-branch-office/egw-private-and-office-libraries
It is amazing that as "illiterate" as she was that she could read that much. After all my research on the things we were told "I was shown" that were from other writers and health professionals, it would blow you away. At first, I was angry, then relieved because being in a cultish paradigm puts you into a bind if you are a real student of the Word. Although Ellen said or got from somewhere that there would be much light to come, we really are not allowed to learn more than she "knew". Every time I was learning more from the Word it was a conflict with "her" writings. The only problem with coming out of a cult is regrouping and trying to figure out what to throw out and what to keep and where to fellowship. So many that have come out have swung to the opposite camp and gave up Biblical truth, become angry and bitter and that doesn't help. May the Father help us all.
"...we really are not allowed to learn more than she "knew"."
Yes, SDA thought is largely restricted to what she acknowledged as truth.
I hope you will find a place to fellowship. I wish you the best.
@@TesttheProphet
That's absolutely true. They are so fixated in her false writings that it is impossible to 'come out of her' stranglehold!
@@christopherpitta3803 Many believe in Ellen White because she agrees with their interpretation of scripture while unknowingly they agree with their own interpretation of scripture because of Ellen White's influence.
@@TesttheProphet
It might be true with the believers of her time, while in our times, it is because the church is taught (and enforced by a creed) to believe her as God's chosen prophet, and her interpretation is inspired and infallible.
I was an agnostic. As a teenager. I came to know Jesus as my lord and savior in my early 20's and joined the SDA church.,
Many attack me and spread lies that I know from the bible alone that SDA teach the truth.
I did and have tested her. I find she is a great Pastor and teacher. But not perfect. But then only God is perfect. When I say the hate against her. I remember that many who spoke for God hat the same hate against them.
White taught in the truth from the Bible. The Bible was the final authority. White upheld the bible above her words over and over.
White wrote the thoughts of other Christians. She did not always use only her words. she stated that at other time.
So as she said many other Christians had said the truths before she came.
When there was money. The White estate gave the sources from which Whtie had used.
So she used both. Not just her words. What you have done is extrapolated some points to all. which is not correct.
So tell me what non Christian teaching did she teach? Give them to me.
Have you watched this video series? I feel like pointing out this issues is what is happening in the videos, so watching them will answer you question ;)
Watch the video series in it's entirety. She did not borrow the writings of others, she plagiarized them. Pawning them off as her own, or stating that they were shown to her by God. That's deceit, open your eyes.
@@XC20248 So who sued her for plagiarism?
No one. I do not open my eyes to Gossip.
She wrote to tell other Christian how some other non SDA had great insights on the bible. She said they should be read. She was not afraid of agreeing with other non SDA Christians.
Now tell me are the words she added false? If so you would have a point.
White was much more a Pastor.
So you make a charge only give once in her lifetime. So if she was copying everything. Why no actual charges of plagiarism in her day.
The one event was close White kept it from being wrong. is when she had to put in words of others and add show where the quote came from. some citations. That she added the source of the citation.
So your hate is showing. So very sad.
@@XC20248 So who said she plagiarized in her lifetime?
@@samuelwilliams1559 Continue to be blinded by a self proclaimed prophet. Ample evidence has been provided that many of the words contained within her books were not her own yet she claimed they were or even worse from God directly. That is deceit, no two ways around it.
Just examining ADL's "refutation" of your videos. Some very basic observations:
1.) God the father (a valid biblical concept, hard to deny)
2.) The son (a valid biblical concept, hard to deny)
3.) The holy spirit (a valid biblical concept, hard to deny)
4.) The testimony of Jesus IS the spirit of Prophecy (a valid biblical concept, hard to deny)
5.) 3 & 4 ARE synonymous (suspending judgement)
#5 - Yes, the holy spirit moved the prophets along... but this is not the only endeavor of the holy spirit (open to discussion)
6.) Ellen was led by the holy spirit, just like biblical prophets... so, she possessed: The Spirit of Prophecy
#6 - It's a great semantic argument. Also, a problematic one. Because of what it implies.
This claim imbues her with a certain kind of authority. What kind of authority? The same kind of authority that Abraham had. Or Moses... or Paul... or John on Patmos.
If she has the same "kind" of authority as the prophets in scripture, she has A LOT of authority, to shape doctrine... and give new revelations. (really stretching the promise of Sola Scriptura)
In order to determine if ANY aspect of #6 is valid, we have to consult scripture.
Is scripture sufficient to tell us?
IS SCRIPTURE SUFFICIENT AT ALL?
When something is sufficient, we can only add components (parts, pieces, words, pages, predictions, pontifcations or policies) that are non-essential.
When something is non-essential, it is frivolous.
Is Ellen's work simply frivolous, or something far worse?
Your questions are valid. If she was the lesser light pointing us to the greater light (scripture) why the fight to keep her in the game? Just be happy everyone is returning to their Bibles and the Bible alone! Of course, we know it is more complicated than that in Adventism. We were never by the Bible alone. EGW has been publishing her testimonies in one form or another the entire time, and as I pointed out in Part 5 if you believe them to be her opinion then you insult God. How does one just brush over that? The Bible has authority....but so does what she wrote? How can I go by the Bible alone but then also have to keep Ellen's admonitions in the back of mind to make sure I do not overstep a new boundary she wrote about? ADL would likely argue that she was a non-canonical prophet and thus pointed to the canon instead of replacing it or stepping above in authority. But why would a non-canonical prophet write such an exhaustive retelling of the Bible? Why do people take her word as to how to interpret a passage/concept in the Bible? It's not as though she wrote a short pamphlet and handed that out at the early camp-meetings reminding people to read their Bibles. She wasn't the gentle old grandma rocking on her front porch reminding kids walking by to read their Bibles either. No, she rewrote the entire Bible, inserted new details, claimed to have visions, called peoples sins out in public to avoid a frowning Jesus, and then wrote that God wants them to buy her books.
As I mentioned towards the end of this video, she wrote:
"Many are going directly contrary to the light which God has given to His people, because they do not read the books which contain the light and knowledge in cautions, reproofs, and warnings. The cares of the world, the love of fashion, and the lack of religion have turned the attention from the light God has so graciously given, while books and periodicals containing error are traveling all over the country. Skepticism and infidelity are increasing everywhere. Light [contained in her books, is] so precious, coming from the throne of God, [and] is hid under a bushel. God will make His people responsible for this neglect. An account must be rendered to Him for every ray of light He has let shine upon our pathway [such as her books], whether it has been improved to our advancement in divine things or rejected because it was more agreeable to follow inclination." Testimonies to the Church Volume 5, Ellen White.
If she is simply pointing to the Bible, why are Adventists responsible for neglecting the light in her books? Who wouldn't buy all of them and study them like mad to make sure God would not hold them accountable?
As you said, "Is Ellen's work simply frivolous, or something far worse?"
@@TesttheProphet It's a brilliant & diabolical way to seize authority over someone... or a group.
The Lord has sent me an urgent message for you.
But, has also warned me that you will be tempted to reject his humble messenger.
He requires that you send me $17.99 via Paypal.
If you submit to the Lord, you do well.
But if you neglect this solemn duty, you have simply confirmed the Lord's warning... about the feeble nature of your faith.
@@TesttheProphet I Completely agree ! Very nicely stated!!
Could it be that the other writers were inspired by the same God, for some sections?
Most likely, and W.C White admitted John Milton to have been inspired of his Paradise Lost on the great controversy theme just as his mother was
I really don't think so. It can happen but here's why I don't think so. If she owned these books what is more likely. She had the books in her library. PLus Mrs white was asked many times if she was copying and never admitted that she was reading these books. We were told she wsa not literate and so the beauty of her writing had to be God Given. It is a well known fact that the very White Estate will now confirm that she employed THIRTEEN literary writers to help her write her books. For over a century this was known but if we were told we would not be as easily led nor would we have spent as much MONEY buying the books AND the church woudl not have made the significant funds it did.
I will start off by making clear that I am a Seventh-day Adventist. One who was not "born" in the faith, but one who came to the faith later in life. I don’t intend to enter into debate with anyone, but simply to address this series of videos from a perspective differing from that which seems to prevail in this comment section.
Like others in the comment section have noted, the speaker in this series maintains a calm, relatable tone and manner of speech, which I appreciate. However, I have to say that this series, while apparently extensively researched, fails to address the primary topic for which the producer claims to have made series in the first place. The title of the channel is "Test the Prophet", a clear reference to 1 John 4:1 where God's people are told to test the spirits to determine if a prophet is true or false. The speaker starts the series by asserting that this is what he intends to address, but his entire series discusses plagiarism and the intent of Ellen White and the SDA church. To me, the logical question when attempting to cover such a topic would be, "How do I know if a prophet is true or not? How does one test the validity of a prophet?" Does the Bible provide any information as to how one can make such a determination, or does Jesus warn us against false prophets without giving us any way to know? The answer is, ‘yes’, the Bible does give us criteria by which to discern the nature of a prophet. Does the Bible, as does this presenter, assert that one of ways to tell if a person is a true prophet would be based on whether or not they quote from other sources, or earlier authors? The plain answer is no. The Bible provides several tests of a true prophet, but this is not one of them. In fact, we would have to dismiss some of the canonical literary prophets (prophets whose writings are included in the Bible) if we were to use this presenter's criteria for veracity of a prophet's claim to Divine inspiration.
Another interesting thing that I did not hear this presenter address surrounds his assertions of plagiarism directly. In a previous video, the speaker discussed the attorney who was hired to investigate the claims made over the years that Ellen White was a plagiarist/literary pirate, etc. The speaker goes into great detail in the video, reading several definitions of plagiarism, literary piracy and so on. Personally, I believe this detail, which ultimately proves irrelevant to the stated assertion, is little more than a smoke screen designed to conceal the weakness of the position taken in this series. I believe a few reasonable questions to ask in light of the information provided are:
1) where are all of the successful lawsuits brought against Ellen White and the Adventist church? Indeed, the speaker asserts that most of the works from which she 'purloined' her material were beyond copyright timelines, but not all of them were. And, if she 'stole' work from so many, where is the line of plaintiffs to unmask this charlatan or, in the very least, collect their checks?
2) How many pages, of the 100,000+ pages written by Ellen White over the course of her ministry, were ‘purloined’ from other authors? Surely, one who was so destitute of inspiration as to need to steal the frame, photos and substance of the work of others, as this speaker claims Ellen White to have been, would be found to have much of these pages to be the work of others. 50%? 25%? Even 10%? Surely, if 10,000 pages of her work were stolen from the works of others, the White Estate would be accountable to quite a few people.
3) What does God expect people to do with the warnings, writings and counsels of His prophets? This question is perhaps the most important of the three. If God expects His people to believe and obey the words of His prophets (a point I will assume everyone who reads their Bibles will concede), then our only task is to determine whether a prophet is true or false, as determined by BIBLICAL criteria. The speaker muses as to how to best deal with the ‘doublespeak’ of the Adventist church in claiming to believe in sola Scriptura, yet also advocating the importance of the writings of a proclaimed prophet, Ellen White. Well, I would encourage this speaker, or anyone, to put her and her works to the Biblical tests and determine whether she was a true prophet, or not. Then you will know what to do.
Excellent response! The “fruit” of Ellen White is a church that gravitates toward Christ Jesus. And one that is willing to follow the Bible to some places that make living in this world difficult.
I will say that the Bible wars against the “Sanctuary Doctrine” and that EGW’s positions on the state of the dead are not fully supported by the Bible. Also her interpretation of Genisis 6:1-4 is flat wrong.
And the Bible authors continually quote other Bible authors and some outside books. Peter and Jude quote 1 Enoch.
I am honored to be able to say I know Jesus Christ, so while I can see the problems with EGW and the church she was a part of, I’m not going to hate on the sausage factory that led me to Him.
@@navion1946 Let me begin by saying that I truly appreciate the tone of your response. I found it refreshing and encouraging.
I must say that the state of the dead was one of the more plainly Biblical doctrines I found even before I became an Adventist. And I am interested to hear, if you are willing to share, how the Bible wars against the Sanctuary doctrine. This doctrine, while I do understand how it is problematic for many (especially today in the midst of such an ecumenical climate), I have found to be Biblically and logically sound.
As you stated in your reply, I am glad to know Jesus and hopeful of His soon coming! God bless.
@@concerneddisciple8273 thank you and God bless you. I remain completely convinced of the Sabbath and of the second Advent. Also of the Bible being the word of God so I remain in my SDA church. Every denomination has problems. With regard to the sanctuary doctrine I’m looking at Hebrews 6, 9, and 11 where it describes Christ going into the most holy place before the writing of Hebrews, long before 1844.
@@navion1946 Thank you. I will prayerfully look at the Scriptures you have mentioned. God bless.
@@navion1946 First, let me say again that I appreciate your response and respect your God-given right to believe as you choose. That being said, rather than disproving the sanctuary doctrine, the chapters in Hebrews which you mentioned (6,9,11) reinforce rather than disprove the sanctuary doctrine. It is a broad topic, but I will try to respond with brevity.
1) Jesus is referred to as our High Priest throughout the book of Hebrews and you, yourself, said that Jesus entered into the Most Holy Place (MHP) before 1844, indicating a belief in a Heavenly sanctuary. So I assume that your objection is not to the idea of there being a Heavenly Sanctuary, but rather to either the nature of Jesus' ministry in this sanctuary or the timing of His entry into the MHP.
2) We know that the earthly sanctuary was modeled after the Heavenly (Heb. 8). Not only the structure, but the services were God-given and were to represent Christ and His work on our behalf in the plan of salvation. So, when the author of Hebrews makes reference to the sanctuary, we would benefit from studying the services in Exodus and Leviticus in order to learn the duty and function of the high priest and all the associated services (Isaiah 28:10).
3) Once we have an understanding of the order and services of the sanctuary, then we have the appropriate context by which to understand the sanctuary in Hebrews. For example, Hebrews 6:19 uses the phrase 'within the veil', which, out of context, could be taken to mean, within the MHP. However, the word, veil, refers to both the curtain that separated the MHP from the HP, as well as the HP from the courtyard, or outer sanctuary. Since this word is generic, then we need context in order to determine the author's meaning here.
Verses 9&10 in Hebrews 9 tell us that the earthly services continued to function until Jesus died and, by His death, put an end to the earthly services (and, I would assert, at that time began the heavenly services).
If we consider the context, in conjunction with the author's assertion in chapter 9 that Jesus did not enter the 'holy places' without blood, but with His own precious blood, then we understand that 'within the veil' in 6:19 refers to Christ's entrance into the HP at His ascension, and not the MHP. After all, He could not have entered the HP prior to His death and resurrection because He could only minister His blood after His sacrifice on Calvary.
4) Hebrews 9:8 confirms the above statement. Admittedly, there is confusion concerning the term 'ta hagia', which is translated as both 'holy places' and 'holiest of all' in Hebrews 9. However, reference to the MHP is clarified in verse 3, where the phrase 'hagia hagion' is appropriately used, which literally means 'holy of holies'. The correct and literal translation of Hebrews 9:8 would be, "that the way into the holy places (ta hagia) was not yet made manifest while as the first tabernacle was yet standing." In other words, the way into the Heavenly sanctuary was made open after the earthly services came to an end of their purpose (i.e. - Jesus' death put an end to the efficacy of the earthly temple services).
5) Regarding Hebrews 11, aside from the last few verses talking about the cleansing, or perfecting, of the saints, I am unsure how this disproves the sanctuary doctrine. If you are willing to share your thoughts, I am willing to listen. God bless.
I am a year late to seeing this, but I will give my 2 cents.
Some things you will not understand when first hearing or first reading. As the bible says it the just shall live by faith. Faith is believing something that you don't know for a fact.
I will say my story. I grew up going to the seventhday Adventist Church, got baptist at 9 years old. I had a unique disposition, I was not the brightest but I was the type that was willing to try stuff that I read even though I did not understand the material initially. I look back and I would like to thank God for allowing me to be like that.
So I could remember reading the Bible everyday for many years and I also used to study Ellen White writings. I understood to a degree what I was reading but I did not have a deep level understanding to see the bible and Ellen White writings as material to be taken seriously.
Fortunately for me, because I read the stuff so much it was deeply rooted in my mind. So being aware of what the Bible said and what Ellen White wrote, I was able to observe life and draw the connection to see the reality of the bible and the reality of Ellen White writings.
With my experience I can just smile to myself, when people doubt what Ellen White wrote and whether God is real.
A lot of people have been blessed because they used Ellen White writings as a reference for guidance.
I will say this, a lot of people have rejected Ellen White writings and the Bible and think they are ok. But what they don't know is the day will come when they will find themselves in a spot and had they read and accepted Ellen White material they would have had the knowledge to work their way through problems that they find themselves in or totally avoided certain mistakes.
I considered myself highly bless, thanks to heeding the Bible and Ellen White for the most.
I am not saying I am perfect and everything is perfect for me but I am in a real good position.
I can also say when someone accepts the lord and apply the light that they receive the Lord will give that person more light and by applying the new light you will grow in knowledge and some have seen how the lord works miracles for them.
I have experience the supernatural on many, many occasions so I know what I am talking about. I am talking stuff that if you hear them you will think that cannot be, I must be imagining things. Example I remember it was raining and I as the lord to stop the rain, and within a minute the rain stop. Then another time I was praying for the lord to make the weather be a certain way for an event and the Lord made the weather be exactly how I requested for the event and when the event was over the weather changed.
What's all over her face? Does she have chicken pocks? She was a vegetarian. Shouldn't she have zucchini pocks?
It’s the printing technique used. Not reflective of her complexion.
@@TesttheProphet Thank goodness. She is definitely a 10 otherwise.
The Bible takes passages from other sources too, like the book of Enoch which most Christians do not hold that book to be inspired so is the Bible false now?
Ellen G white false prophets, Ezekiel 13:17-23
The souls that are set fee from this heracey are in danger of leaving their faith all together. So often this happens. I urge people to seek God with all their hart's. And follow Jesus as they find him in the bible. There are doctrines in Adventist church that can be proved in the scriptures they are keeping the commandment and the state of the dead. Please don't throw the baby out with the bath water. 🙏
Ellen White maintained extensive diaries or journals. Not only did she (generally) keep daily records but often she amplified her thoughts, seemingly without any particular reason except to let her mind flow out on paper. these entries included both personal impressions and thoughts from her reading. At such times, without any attempt to organize under specific headings, Mrs. white copied or paraphrased those items from her extensive reading that she wanted to remember. From these journals her editorial assistants would gather material from periodical articles. As time passed, many of these early jottings became part of her published books.
God bless her .. she is from the Lord.
*Ellen White* : Our sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT until AFTER the investigative judgment
"But, according to the unerring word of God, every man will be judged and rewarded according as his works have been, and we are admonished to so speak and to so do as 'they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.' When sin has been repented of, confessed, and forsaken, then pardon is written against the sinner's name; *but his sins are not blotted out until after the investigative judgment* ."3
*What the BIBLE says* : Our sins are blotted out when we repent
*I have blotted out* , as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. Isaiah 44:22
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Acts 3:19
…and *the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin* . 1 John 1:7
@@NoSundayLawComing Amen! The investigative judgment undermines the work of the cross. Hebrews and Romans help to clear the invented false teaching of the investigative judgment.
We are all from The Lord.
@@iguanapoolservice1461 except Ellen cuz she’s burning in hell rightnow
@@NoSundayLawComing Amen! Praise the Lord for "HIS" word!
You keep belief what you belief AND YOU STAND IN THE DOOR OF HELL WITH THE BIBLE and book of EGW Writing in you hand, BYE!!!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE IS WORKING WITH JEHOVAH WITNESS ARE SPEAKING THE SAME LIES
It is almost unbelievable to me that Ellen G.White critics would cast doubt upon and chastise her myriad writings that are altogether clear , balanced , uplifting , Christ centered, and converting to the soul ; whilst giving heed to myriads of false prophets who Babel and essentially say nothing uplifting nor converting ; and all the false prophets not being in harmony with the Law of God as is Ellen G.White ⁉️
Ultimately we [the Church] are not really testing the prophets ; but the Word of God is testing us _through the Authentic Prophetic Gift to see if we will heed the counsels to be found in the Authority of the Word of God [Bible] ❗️✝️🙏🙏
"The Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy"...
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 NKJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 19:10 NKJV
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12 NKJV
"War takes a man places no one can follow"
_Capt. Poldark S3 E6
They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.”
Revelation 14:3-5, 12-13 NKJV
I find it unbelievable that SDAs are so insecure in regards to the study of Ellen White's credibility.
✅ Authentic Prophet will not refer to themselves as a prophet in their own time ; it is a gift of the Spirit for the edification of the church and hence for the church to decipher the authenticity of the Gift of Prophecy over time ; I have no doubt EGW had the authentic gift of prophecy ; and I know of no other "modern-times" so called prophet that has the authentic gift [that's right , not one else upon the planet because the authentic gift is so rare , it is also impossible to replicate ; hence the counterfeit is obvious and easy to discern ; in large part because the genuine gift will not even arise outside of the boundary where God has already placed the Authentic Gift of Prophecy] ⁉️‼️🤔
AUTHENTIC PROPHETS
Isaiah 8:20 KJV
[20] To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Revelation 12:17 KJV
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10 KJV
[10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:6, 8-9 KJV
[6] And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
[8] And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. [9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
"THE FALSE PROPHET"
Revelation 13:11-12 KJV
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. [12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Revelation 13:13-14 KJV
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, [14] and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Revelation 16:13 KJV
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 19:20 KJV
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:10 KJV
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
@@TesttheProphetyour statement makes no sense ; SDA can be fully confident in the credibility of the writings of EGW ; we are NoT confident in is your incredulous attitude toward the writings of EGW ❗‼️ make sense ❓⁉️
Understanding Ellen White, chapter 5 (more information is listed there as it relates to these main points).
God will not remove doubt. Don't confuse doubt with error.
How many of you are honestly following these guidelines?
Just a thought...be well...
First, begin your study with a prayer for guidance and understanding. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the work of prophets across the ages, is the only one who is in a position to unlock the meaning in their writings.
Second, we need to approach our study with an open mind. Most of us realize that no person is free of bias, no one is completely open-minded. We also recognize that bias enters into every area of our lives. But that reality doesn't mean that we need to let our biases control us.
A third healthy mind-set in the reading of Ellen White is that of faith rather than doubt. As Mrs. White put it, "Many think it a virtue, a mark of intelligence in them, to be unbelieving and to question and quibble. Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence" (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 255).
"God gives sufficient evidence for the candid mind to believe; but he who turns from the weight of evidence because there are a few things which he cannot make plain to his finite understanding will be left in the cold, chilling atmosphere of unbelief and questioning doubts, and will make shipwreck of faith" (ibid., vol. 4, pp. 232, 233).
**If individuals wait for all possibility of doubt to be removed, they will never believe. That is as true of the Bible as it is of Ellen White's writings. Our acceptance rests on faith rather than on absolute demonstration of flawlessness. Ellen White appears to be correct when she writes that "those who have most to say against the testimonies are generally those who have not read them, just as those who boast of their disbelief of the Bible are those who have little knowledge of its teachings" (Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 45, 46).**
...the list continues....
4. Focus on the Central Issues
5. Account for Problems in Communication
6. Study All Available Information on a Topic
7. Avoid Extreme Interpretations
8. Take Time and Place Into Consideration
9. Study Each Statement in Its Literary Context
10. Recognize Ellen White's Understanding of the Ideal and the Real
11. Use Common Sense
12. Discover the Underlying Principles
13. Realize That Prophets Are Not Verbally Inspired, Nor Are They Infallible or Inerrant
14. Avoid Making the Counsels "Prove" Things They Were Never Intended to Prove
15. Make Sure Ellen White Said It
Have you done your research if Ellen had read that books already before she wrote her books?
If the message of God is the same for the Germans and also to the Church where Ellen belongs.
Will God is at fault?
God sees your motive.
This book was known to be in her library.
God sees your motive.
@@TesttheProphet
Now,
Are you questioning the message???just because she can relate the message from the German people to the Church where Ellen belongs???
When it is a rebuke???
Will you stop it, just so you don't commit plagiarism???
Is that how you view this???
Think of this things. You have not seen the works of the supreme being.
@@reldintv Tell me. Was she a prophet? Dont tap dance. Answer the question.
Yes she was a prophet
Refer to Gods Word:
Luke 6:26
Isaiah 29:10
Mathew 24:24
Jeremiah 23:16
Jeremiah 14:14
Ezekiel 13:9
2 Peter 2
1 Timothy 4:1-4
@@jimijames7703 1843 vision.
Failed.
1844 vision.
Failed.
1845 vision.
Failed.
1851 vision.
Failed.
1856 prediction she and some of her flock would live to see the day of the Lord.
Failed.
Consider then Dueteronomy 18:22 and repent.
Well. Jeremiah also said that all should hold fast to his words and since it is their own fault if they do not. It was the same with Samuel and many other prophets. Above all, even Paul copied from others. I don't know if you are aware of that. Jesus quoted so many passages from the Old Testament without saying whether it was to whom. It was natural at that time that all good things were copied. According to this view, Paul must be called a liar and godless, but anyone who does this has already received his reward, namely the lake of fire and the second death.
But she is claiming the things she plagiarized were shown to her in vision! That is deception and lying therefore she is a false prophet
@@kevinbooth6293 Exactly. Jesus never claimed he got those passages in a vision, he just quoted from the Hebrew texts. This is apples to oranges.
@@kevinbooth6293 Exactly!
I know it helps to compare what Paul did but it is important to note the huge difference. Paul used A LINE. Ellen copied copious amounts from many books. Please see the studies done by two adventist scholars. Their work was commissioned BY the church and PAID for by the church. Dr. Fred Veltman and Dr. Ronald McAdams. Here's a quote from one of the reports from Dr. McAdams ""If every paragraph in The Great Controversy were footnoted in accordance with accepted practice, giving credit where credit was due, ALMOST EVERY paragraph would be footnoted."
Paul also never LIED about using a quote of another person. He never PRETENDED it was his. He simply quoted someone. Mrs. white her son Arthur and the Conference executives DENIED for decades that she was using the work of others.
Paul never instructed anyone to never depend on the work of others for your writings. Mrs. White did.
Did Paul and the others benefit financially from their books after taking the work of others to make that money?
it is not reasonable at all to not compare Paul's and Jesus' time to Ellen White. When Mrs. White was first accused she and her publishers ensured the second version of Great Controversy used quotes in SOME places. It was certainly not all. Why would folks accuse you of something that did not exist? Why would her publishers response if copywriting did ot exist? Why did she continue to take other writer's content AFTER that experience. Why did was her first book on the apostle's pulled from the shelf after being released in 1883? Because she stole so much from another book, their publishers threatened to sue. She then redid it and published it with a new name over ten years later in 1911 as Acts of the Apostles.
Here's a helpful quote from Jeremiah 23:21,30 "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words everyone from his neighbour.”
Do not be afraid to see the truth and admit that we were deceived and lied to.
Non sense testing.
If God wants to send a message,
Will it be that the message is different for each person He use?
Can't you use the same idea just to avoid plagiarism? When it is also about it?
Narrow minds.
@reldintv6382 - reld, she plagiarized then calls them visions! it seems you need to re-watch the video and take down some notes so you can gain a better understanding of Ellen for Profit, is No prophet!
Nonsense? Ask Jeremiah. There is nothing new under the sun.
"I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words everyone from his neighbour.”
(Jeremiah 23:21,30).
Nothing wrong with the same message coming to many different persons and expressed over the year. f
Do not miss that when she was asked if she was using others work, she denied it - that's called LYING
Do not miss that she also benefitted financially and significantly so from the use of their work
Do not miss that the church told us for almost 2 centuries that SHE HAD A GIFT. She was illiterate and could ONLY write like this because of God's annointing. SHE HAD THIRTEEN LITERARY ASSISTANTS.
Do not run from the truth. This is not NONSENSE. This is valuable information IF you are looking for the facts.
@@jayceejm have you been into her mind?? so that you can say that she denied and was lying??
you are acting like a god here bro.
@@jayceejm have you seen her 13 literary assistant??
@@reldintv Have you ever seen her?? The answer is no but you have no qualms believing IN her. So why do I have to have seen her 13 employees to believe they existed.
Do yourself a favour write to the Ellen G White Estate. They will confirm it for you.
James 1:17 Says every good and perfect gift comes from God. No individual or church hold monopoly of God’s truth.
God is no respecter of persons. He speaks to whoever is sincere and willing to obey.
Now, think about this:
We know from God’s Word that God’s law is immutable, we know He wants to write it on our hearts (Jer 31, Eze 36, Hebrews 8)
James says draw near to God and he will draw near to you. It stands to reason that God would draw nearer to those who seek to keep covenant and obey his law (Psalm 103) and would send messages of encouragement and guidance to them through His messenger.
Is it so unreasonable
to believe that God would take information that he shared with other writers (minds) and show it to EGW in order to tell his faithful people what he wanted them to know? without her having to necessarily read them?
Would it be possible that God allowed things to unfold the way they did (passages from
other authors, not giving credit) to test the faith of those who would test the prophet?
Would EGW meet the tests of a true prophet given by God himself in His Word if these were applied to her?
Make predictions that “come to pass” (Jeremiah 28:9)
Glorify God rather than themselves (John 16:13)
Do not give their own private interpretations (2 Peter 1:20, 21)
Point out sin (Micah 3:5-8)
Warn of coming judgment (Isaiah 24:20, 21)
Edify the church (1 Corinthians 14:3, 4)
Give messages that harmonize with the Bible (Isaiah 8:20)
Teach that Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3)
Have a Christ-like character (Matthew 7:16-20).
Are obedient to the will of God (Deuteronomy 18:18).
All throughout history God has chosen the foolishness of this world 1 Cor 1:27 to silence/shame the wisdom of this world. The early christians were mocked for believing in a God that was crucified, for believing in the resurrection of the dead.
God has always tested the hearts by doing unconventional things.
The challenge is to look beyond the apparent absurdity, renouncing our own ideas and letting the Holy Spirit explain the things of God to us.
God did not remove the possibility of doubt in the OT. God did not remove the possibility of doubt in the NT. God has not removed the possibility of doubt since then. Doubt will always exist.
Individuals (whether they believe or not) are not the source for wisdom/discernment for any subject. God is the ultimate source. I believe you know that.
However, Biblically speaking, it should be "easy" to discredit EGW standing. Right? Do you believe that SDA are just "stuck" and won't listen to reason? Or, do you believe that there's "something" that has been researched/studied that causes them to continue in their belief based on what the Bible teaches? Regardless of your answer the belief that EGW was a true prophet is based on faith. And faith is always accompanied with the possibility of doubt.
If you blame plagiarism then all the prophets in the Bible were thus. The greatest problem you People have you do not know how inspiration works for sure. You better go back to the drawing board