You’re defining Protestantism in different terms than the reformers did. A Protestant is just any Christian in an active Protest with the Roman Papacy and dogma of the Roman Catholic Church…. Technically your own Church isn’t very Protestant anymore in that traditional sense, nor are the Anglicans. So I fully reject your understanding of Protestantism, as would the reformers themselves
@@answeringadventism I am now 51. Took about 5 years to untangle the mess I learned. Never thought of going back. I know God would not tell me to go back to false organization portraying itself as christian. An organization who believes abortion is a religious freedom of choice. That is satanic. It’s all about the money nowadays.
Fourth generation SDA (well former) and it was my whole life for 27 years! My heart finally learned the true gospel laid out black and white 2 years ago. Praise God. The thing that was always so confusing to me was Adventism has the same TERMS (made righteous by faith) but different DEFINITIONS see my whole life I did not understand because I was not taught the true nature of us, I didn’t understand that it was our actual spirit that was born dead, and that when we believe in what Jesus did that he raises our spirit from death to life, which then seals us with the Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1) and that’s how we are declared righteous and how the law has nothing to do with that miracle, where we now operate under the law of Christ in a different covenant and led by the spirit and not the letter of the law. Then reading Galatians knocked me over. I had never read it before in my life. It literally blew me away two years ago when I learned the truth.. it was like reading the New Testament with completely new eyes
This was my favourite interview so far. Myles' testimony in the beginning really resonated with me as mine is quite similar. I too have had an encounter with the Lord one night in my bedroom, and literally overnight all of my desires changed. I developed this intense hunger to read the Bible, from start to finish. The Word of God became so alive to me, and even though I had read the Bible before, it was like I was seeing some scriptures for the first time. Everything changed from that point on - my way of thinking, my perspective on worldly things, my desire for wordly entertainment disappeared etc. I started to hate the things that God hates, and had this intense burden for souls. All I can say is that once the Lord encounters you, and the scales are removed, it's impossible to go back to the old way of thinking.
@@answeringadventism Hey Myles, the great smiles of Myles. My 84 year old mom says your a handsome young man. I digress. Can you take a moment of your busy time to gander at a video on YT. (easy Clickism if I posted a link, so a quick searchism is a practice I do) ANTICHRIST WORSHIP! Ancient History to Modern Times | Dr. Gene Kim
To this fella called KIM the GENIE or GENIE bin Kim, all the likes of John MacArthur, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin, Jamse White, and other Reformed Theologians are FAKES...ie ANTICHRIST, always projecting himself as the "all knowing". I've stopped listening to his podcasts/sermons when he started calling my favorite Evangelical preacher, Dr J Mac as a false preacher! Whay a silly bloke this Genie the son of Kim!!
This was one of the most articulate and cordial debates I have ever watched. I pray these three SDA pastors will be convicted through the power of the Holy Spirit, receive the true gospel of Jesus Christ and renounce their faith and teachings of the Adventist doctrine, that they would be born again and joined to the Body of Christ in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen
@@jacquiemorgan1361 Galatians 2:21 “I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” The law was given to the Jews not the Gentiles…..In James own words in agreement with the Apostles at the Jerusalem council Acts 15:19-20 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood……….not a word about Sabbath keeping.
Amen. I second your prayer. These men seem genuine. I pray the words spoken in this video stay on their mind, that they would be willing to go wherever the Lord calls and that they hear and comprehend that still small voice.
@@greywisker3180 Now read Acts 15:21 where James clearly states that Gentiles were instructed in the Law _every Sabbath_ . So yes, there is a word about Sabbath keeping. It doesn't say the Gentiles were instructed on Sunday or any other day. The Sabbath is a permanent institution. So says God Himself in Exo. 31:16.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Acts 15:21 does not say that. You have misspoke. And Exodus 31:16 says……..”Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant”
Great conversation! Really like these guys. They're not far off from the kingdom. We all need to pray that God will open their eyes and hearts to accept the true gospel and reject Adventism. It seems that they might be there but just can't seem to let go of Adventist culture, community and structure. May God continue to work on their hearts and minds. If you reject and ignore everything Ellen ever said or wrote, you will NEVER have the suppositions or come to the conclusions the Adventist church has.
Amen. It’s a spiritual stronghold. Notice he said “ I genuinely tried to leave Adventism, but it’s like I couldn’t” That is a spiritual stronghold. Let’s keep praying
Amen! I’d really like to highlight what you said about people seeming like they understand the errors of Adventism but not wanting to or being able to leave because of the comfort they find in the Adventist culture, community, and structure. It’s sooo hard to leave such a well-connected circle that you’ve been in your whole life. I pray that my friends and myself can rely on God for the courage to leave and seek a church community that teaches the true gospel. 🙏
Im going to pray for these young men to have their eyes open. I left 10 years ago, I didn’t know the gospel, I didn’t know or understand the trinity, I had horrible health problems due to the Adventist health message, I didn’t know the Bible period. I was taught to believe fellow believers were evil and that they would kill me. I had terrifying experiences in my SDA elementary and middle school where we were put through abusive scare tactics to “prepare” us for the torture we would face by other Christians. They put a little girl who was claustrophobic in a plastic container and yelled at her to share the 3 angels message. She was screaming so loud that the teacher eventually let her out and she cried, filled with guilt, believing she failed God. Praise God He is so merciful , so loving, and I finally know Him. I now understand His word through the Holy Spirit that opened my eyes.
Hope they get out. "Comfort" imprisons them. They want to identify themselves as Adventists yet they don't couldn't conform to what Adventism says it is. Such dilemma. A cognitive dissonance.
Former for 10 years now and for the 61 years in Adventism, 4th generation, I did Not know Jesus Christ is God Almighty, fully God and fully Man - even in the incarnation. Raised directly with Ellen G White writings as the full understanding of what the Bible says and means. My 42 year old daughter has Never read a Ellen G White book and Yet speaking with her she is explaining to me her beliefs that come directly out of Ellen as if she’d read Ellen’s books and thus the understanding of the Scriptures she has is fully Ellen G White’s writings. I did not know the Gospel either. Oh I just knew “the three angels message” as the gospel message only. I certainly understood Sabbath keeping meant salvation.
Myles spoke truth. Are the SDA pastors willing to loose salvation because of their family. The true gospel doesn’t change. Good job Myles. Proud of you!
You can't be an Adventist without affirming the fundamental beliefs. All of them!. These people need to understand this fact! If their conferences even heard this conversation, these pastors wouldn't be allowed to preach anymore!
Its because you can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized and called an Adventist if you accept her and everything she said. You deny that belief, then you're not an Adventist.
I thought this was a great discussion. Everyone was polite and not beating around the bush. Very good. Thank you Myles for bringing truth in your videos. May God bless you as He has given you a learned mind to bring His message of truth forth. I am a born again believer with SDA friends.
Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. "I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!" Matthew 10:34-35
@@rayray4192 That is true, but how one understands and communicates biblical truth is subjective to a certain extent. This should not be ignored if a culture of understanding is to be created. Even the Bible can attest this idea. If we cannot accept the diversity of humanity we will continue to war among ourselves as if God made all of humanity as one organism rather than individual, thinking beings.
Finished up, I think the problem is their ecumenist spirit. They say over and over "we agree with that"... Well guys it's not what you would include in your beliefs, it's the fact that you won't exclude the wrong beliefs! For example, regarding the Trinity, they think it's okay to say 3 beings because later it says 3 persons. It doesn't matter if you later say the right thing, the fact that you also include believing the wrong thing totally nullifies the correct thing. Making such a blunder of "3 beings" but saying "well it's okay because it says 3 persons later" is the equivalent of standing before a judge saying "but your honor, look at all the people I didn't murder!" Wrong is wrong and these guys are acting like Jello with their beliefs not realizing how contradictory and flakey their theology is. I think Myles if you have another talk with them, it might be best to get them to state definitively what should NOT be believed. SDAs include anti trinitarians in their ranks often and that would be abhorrent to the church fathers, but I don't think these guys would care.
I have a couple of questions.. 2 of the 3 pastors said that they felt they could use their position to preach the true gospel … I was under the impression (former SDA w/family & friends still in it) that the Gen Conf dictates/provides the sermon subject matter, Sabbath School lessons, & Bible Reading plans (which are more EGW than Bible). So if I’m correct on that- how will these pastors follow through with preaching the true gospel to their churches? Also, why be in a denomination that does not even make clear their statement of faith & beliefs?These pastors indicated, “well we know what it truly means..” so what about members or potential believers who research the denomination? Is it okay that ppl may turn away from further study or worship, since nothing is actually made clear? The Bible says that those who are called to exhort the gospel are held to a higher standard of obedience. Because they are influencing so many ppl.. I got the distinct impression that none of the 3 pastors actually seemed concerned with that.. 🤔 again, did I miss something? If so, please enlighten.. My own dealings with unanswered questions & mixed messages is exactly why I left. After attending their schools through academy. Thankfully a true man of God preached the true gospel to me, which I accepted. And it is GOOD NEWS! I would like to ask all 3 pastors to reply to one question.. do you believe that you are saved by faith alone? And that your good works (aka fruits) are evidence of salvation NOT requirements? It’s a simple question.. easily answered by Gods Word.. nothing/no-one else needed.. God bless you Myles.. what courage you have to take on 3 to 1.. keep sharing the GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I remember when me and my wife first began debating sda'ism. I asked her what the gospel and salvation is and she had no answers for me. It was as if she didn't even know what the words meant. This is one area where I disagree with these gentlemen. They say that they(sda people) have and understand the gospel just as myles explained it about the Christian church yet their people can't even define it.
To answer your questions: 1. No the GC does not dictate what to preach 2. No the Sabbath School quarterly is not required 3. Yes you can preach the real gospel in an adventist church 4. There are certain sacred cows that cannot be confronted publicly yet. 5. God does keep calling us here to reach sda as they need Jesus too. 6. Adventism is changing, especially since the internet. 7. There are 3 Adventisms: left humanist, right pioneer worshippers, center evangelical; and that includes conferences too.
Fascinating conversation. I remember feeling very similar to these men when I was preparing for the SDA ministry as a theology major. You're convinced that the Pioneers and even EGW are in need of correction; you cannot transfer to another denomination because your beliefs are too far afield, and so you remain and "fight" for the gospel. But you know deep down you can never win. You eventually view the divisions within Adventism as a strength. "We're a big tent." You give up belief in the church's authority to delineate correct teaching. Conviction feels "back and white"; doctrinal precision seems combative and impractical. I've seen it too many times. Lord, have mercy.
This was me. For a little while, and then I started to learn too much about Ellen White, the occultism, the awful things she and James did, not even mentioning all of the heretical stuff she taught. It was just too much. I could no longer hinge myself to a group that supported and pushed that. It’s really sad that these three guys are stuck in that position and I really feel for them I just keep praying that they would ask God for the strength to take a stand
Really great discussion! I’ve been waiting to see this one and it did not disappoint. Myles you are a warrior, thank you for your boldness. I appreciate that these pastors were honest about where they’re at and and I pray this plants seeds. Would love to see more conversations with them.
That's like saying the Presbyterian church wich (Miles current church) never identify straight away (though you might attend) that they do NOT believe that Jesus died for everyone but for a select peaple before they were even born (predestined) everyone else predestined for destruction and that destruction is everlasting (time wise) kept alive forever in hell to suffer endlessly.
Hey Myles, I too am a third generation former 7. I appreciate your work on these videos and what you and others are doing. My story, what it comes down to, was reading the Bible in context and letting the Bible interpret itself. I know this is how a lot of us have overcome false teachings and false gospels. Praise God, Holy Spirit, and The Word my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now for the comment I have from watching the video. It is always interesting to me that the 7s love to say " Reading egw is meant to point people back to reading the Bible " Yet when they ask you , " How come you don't go to a 7 church anymore and why don't you subscribe to the 7s beliefs? ' And you answer, I read the Bible. They look at you with bewilderment. You said in the beginning of this video, that you got a hunger for the Word of God. So that is awesome right? I think that it is. When I tell people that I grew up with or my family members, that it was reading the Bible as to why I don't agree with the 7s theology, some then start to tell me I don't know anything and don't understand the 7 beliefs. As if I didn't even grow up with them and was taught the very same thing. It is so sad. The 3 responses that I get when telling my story are 1. I never knew of the contradictions between the Bible and egw. I am going to look into that. Then after some time and reading their Bibles, they pop smoke and leave. 2. Don't tell me anymore, because I like where I am at and what I am doing so leave me alone. 3. You have gone off the deep end. Argh, you are gonna get the mark of the beast! Again thank you.
Yes, and the few times that i have been able to have more lengthy conversations about the fundamentals,( which by the way, are a lot as fundamentals go) they really don't know what they are themselves. And I understand that because I really didn't know them well either until I took the Gospel of Jesus to heart and examined them for myself. Defending beliefs that you don't really know what they are is crazy. I will continue to Pray and have conversations with my loved ones and friends. Thank you for your reply.@@Liz.StudentoftheKing
Hey!! 7DAs..., how am I gonna be getting the 666 Mark of the Beast when I shall long have been RAPTURED at Pre-Trib??? 7DAs don't believe in the RAPTURE of the FOLLOWERS of YESHUA HAMASHIACH, so, they should stop being naive by telling NON-7DAs that they shall be getting the 666 Mark!!
Brilliantly stated. No 7 really wants to challenge their views Biblically when they realize they have been duped. It was hard for me as well. I’m a product of 3rd gen 7 and my father and grandfather were both ministers. As a very young child, I had questions that were never answered clearly about 7’s doctrine. When I started studying the Bible, everything I had been taught, could no longer be valid.
One more interesting thing that happened when we canceled our 7 membership was, when the 7 pastor asked why we were leaving, they wanted to make sure that it wasn't an issue with somebody or the 7 staff. When we explained that it was absolutely not, but was completely a matter of who Jesus is and what He has done, (The Gospel) and not agreeing with 7 fundamental beliefs, they immediately said "we respect your decision and goodbye. They were no longer wanting to discuss anything else or any further conversation. My wife and I thought that it was quite telling. Especially since we were quite involved volunteering there, and members for almost 40 years. @@carolgriffiths8511
The gentleman in the middle"Our goal is to win you (Myles) back to the one true church"jokes aside, I asked an Adventist elder why are you lamenting for my soul because I rejected EGW and her movement? Adventism and their 28 fundamental beliefs cannot get us into Heaven only Jesus can
How do these pastor promote a gospel they don't fully get down with? There is a lack of integrity at play, and it is at the peril of the congregation member. Its so sad.
You did an amazing job Myles. It is more than obvious how thick the SDA veil is and they just can’t see it. One moment you think they are on the right path, and then they mention well that’s where I was born, my family, blah blah blah. I honestly hope for them (and any other SDA as well) that they will be willing to follow Jesus no matter what!!! You planted the seed. May God bless you and them as well!
Adventism are not only a different tree, but a tree in completely different paddock. Atleast the SDA tree isn't standing alone, they stand next to the tree of Mormonism and Jehovah Witness...ism.
I don’t miss anything from this cult, I’m so relived knowing the I don’t have to pretend anymore. I feel secure in Jesus I just need him in my life and I keep praying for my family that someday they will open their eyes and see the truth Thanks
Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. He also said that heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away. Some of you are just loving the new wave church, where you can support what God calls an abomination, willfully living in sin, supporting homosexuality, shacking up, elective abortions. A true church will teach all of the Bible from cover to cover. Some of you hate hearing about sin so you will gravitate towards the church that remains silent against sin and you love to embrace the very liberal church. But remember Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words will never pass away. If you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS...
Tthis was interesting.no one on the panel seemed to have waged any physical irspiritual battle with satans army. I think they are all wrong. Be blessed.
Galatians 4:21-31 2 Corinthians 3:4-18 Romans 7 If you are a new Adventist or thinking of joining please study these passages and ask questions. Watch them closely as they try and squirm out of the proper interpretation. Ask the “church” if you can be a member without subscribing to Ellen White.
My greatest prayer is that Adventists will actually hear and believe the gospel of our salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4). The three angels messages cannot save anyone. But unless the GC will allow pastors to preach the true Gospel and the completed Atonement (2000 yrs ago), and come to grips with the Jesus Christ and the One Triune God of Scripture, how will they ever be converted? Only Jesus saves us. Ellen White , the 3 angels msgs., law keeping and the sabbath cannot save anyone. None of those things are the power of God unto salvation. Fantastic job as always, Myles.
Absolutely correct and spot on brother in Christ. Once they allow the enemy to blind their minds with his lies and deceptions, it will be very difficult, if not, impossible for them to allow the Holy Spirit to lead them out to the true gospel of Jesus Christ which can set them free. Otherwise, they will remain blinded until Jesus returns for His church at rapture.
Thank you for planting the seeds to these 3 young pastors, hoping they will open their eyes soon before they lead more people astray. Thanking God for you and your bravery.
After listening to whole show, are mormons christians? He just avoids a yes or no answer, and says my main point is ... These guys are just as slick as the pioneers...perhaps not even knowing it...plus, we dont have time...lol...work out your salvation people...
These friends of ours, that are so close, seem to not realize or fail to realize that there are key cardinal hinging essential mandatory beliefs that make up salvation, and it state of the dead or the intermediate state is a secondary issue that doesn't prevent Christian unity. I have a suspicion that the reason they haven't left is because of the Sabbath, which I subjectively find the greatest obstacle if you disagree with EGW and IJ and some kind of complete yet incomplete contradiction of atonement, the Sabbath from the SDAs holds people back
@Answering Adventism @Myles i know this was some time back. You planted the seeds in these 3 and God does the rest, i pray they'll contact you to start the process of leaving Adventism. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
My mom was an SDA and all the things she taught me and also what i began to learn it is all unfolding right before our eyes. The end times. When i was in 7th grade my mom told me there would a day when the government will be able to watch us through our TVs. Im 63 now and she was right.
@ time mark 1:13:39 after Myles asks a great question, I think the response here is common to many SDA's...they would choose man (love of family that are in the culture of Adventism) over honoring God and God's word.
How are they not seeing that it's a different gospel? How are they okay with satan being part of salvation and atonment? How are they okay with "progressive truth" and everything else they're okay with regarding SDA?
Myles, this interview goes to show that you were correct in another video when you said the field of Adventism is untapped and ripe for picking. It was bizarre how often the pastors agreed with you. At one point, they seemed to conceed that Adventism teaches a false gospel, but later retracted. I believe you planted some great seeds here. May another come along and water. One pastor admitted he would not be an Adventist if it wasnt for family. Adventism is a culture in itself. The sense of community and family is profound. However, Culture and family are not good enough reasons to stay in a religion. The Adventist laity is truley a special people and my heart goes out to them as they were my family for nearly a decade. It's time for Adventist to face the music and realize, they're not going to be able to change the organization or the fundamentals. God has offered the church many opportunities to repent of false doctrines and of the false prophet, but the organization has refused. It's time to get out of this false religion. Myles; continue to speak candidly, continue to ask the tough questions, continue to press and hold their feet to the fire. God is calling His people into his family. God Bless
That was an informative and solid interaction. I commend the 3 SDA Pastors for being willing to confront their theological oddities by answering Adventism. Remember folks, Ellen White was a "rabid" anti-Trinitarian to her death. Read the August 29, 1878 (Volume 52 No. 10) Sabbath Herald Article written by D.M. Canright and tell me if ANY of it is compatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity. Next look up the August 22nd 1878 Sabbath Herald (Volume 52 No. 9) and read "THE COLORADO TENT" article wherein you may observe it gloated that Ellen White herself REVISED / EDITED Canright's August 29, 1878 Personality of God article that was militantly anti-Trinitarian. This alone should close the case on the subject of Ellen White leading the SDA Church to adopt the Trinity - it's outrageous to suggest such a thing.
I love these guys. I think the guy on the right was hit with some things to think about and seemed to be in a bit of denial at the endish but never the less love and appreciate their willingness to cordially talk and be honest. Thank you guys and thank you myles for hammering the gospel at the end because that's what it's about.
Awesome interview. I wish everyone could debate this corditrially. I hope God rescues these 3 young man. Miles, your making a difference. Continue the fight for Truth ❤
Well done Myles! I also find that one of the answers to the dilemma that at least two out of three of the young SDA paid pastors in this video are feeling with regards to differences of understandings aside from CHRIST and the Gospel is embracing the ekklesia/assembly understanding.
Here’s a quote from the Catholic Catechism of the Council of Trent, 1566 “But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ’s righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. *God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place;* and in order for man to *retain justification,* there must be *continual obedience,* through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.” Actually, I was just kidding; that was from _ELLEN WHITE, Selected Messages, Book One, page 366._ Are Adventists really the heirs of the Protestant Reformation when their position on justification is closer to Rome’s infused righteousness of faith + works than Martin Luther or John Calvin’s imputed righteousness by faith alone?
@@rayray4192 I think his post is misleading and sneaky... because, Martin Luther and Calvin never said that the law of God have been abolish... " For unless the gospel be plainly discerned from the law, the true Christian doctrine cannot be kept sound and uncorrupt. The Gospel bestows the spirit of freedom, to the Christian,so that we can obey from the heart. The LAW is not then THROWN out, but put in it's Place" Martin Luther
The question was asked to the three pastors: why would you remain in the Adventist Church ? I would first ask these questions back ? Where else would I go ? What other Church do you know that teaches believers that we need to keep all of God's commandments ? And with these questions , if we are truly Christians, then we have to consider what the Word of God says about keeping the commandments . Let's first go to the book of Revelation. We see that God specifically identifies His people as "those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 14:12). Then we go to another verse in Revelation and read one of God's promises to His people : "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). And then the Apostle John really drives home the IMPORTANCE of COMMANDMENT KEEPING . We read "He who says, " I know Him, " and does not keep His commandments , is a liar and the truth is not in him." Now, I know that many people who claim to be Christians , also, believe that, since they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God . But this is not what the scriptures teach ! The 5th commandment tells us to honor our parents ; so why wouldn't we obey and honor our Creator and Redeemer as well ? After all, He is the One who gives us the breath of life and sustains us . We also see that there is an important connection between having our prayers answered and obeying God: We read "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight"(1 John 3:22). Jesus, Himself, says "He who has My commandments and keeps them , it is he who loves Me..." (John 14:21) and "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15) . King Solomon says: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all" (Eccl. 12:13). Also mentioned in this interview ,and maybe at the very heart of it, is the gospel ! And I can think of so much Good News that we teach in the Seventh-Day-Adventist Church ; and Ellen White , in all of her writings, never fails to uplift Our wonderful Saviour ! I can understand how someone, in their youth , might have misunderstandings and doubts ; but I have trouble with understanding how a mature Christian can turn away from the TRUTH. I didn't grow up as an Adventist and never even heard of this Church until I was 45 years old. I'm now 76 years of age and just feel so happy and blessed that God led me into this Church. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church and , in my early 20's, I met a beautiful Catholic girl and got married. So, not making religion a priority in my life, I joined the Catholic Church and we raised our children in the Catholic Church. Then about 20 years later , our family discovered the Truth, that had been missing in our lives through a book called The Great Controversy. And I just can't begin to tell all of the ways we've been blessed . But I will say that we recognized Truth, when we saw it, because we were making a habit of reading our Bibles. As for me, I will follow the Truth wherever it leads and I will never again choose to follow the popular "traditions of men" over the Bible. And , YES, this also means keeping that commandment that says "REMEMBER."
You should have asked them if you have to believe in the words of EGW to be saved. They seem to have held the position that it’s a different interpretation. If that’s the case then why be an Adventist. If their interpretation is just as good as any other church, then you can be associated with any denomination. They contradicted their prophet so many times in this video. As a very confused pretty much ex Adventist they have confused me even more.
This is the result of not understanding the system of SDA theology (that it’s a package deal) and trying to take your own spin on it for the sake of remaining in the organization. There’s always a group that wants to try and reform the movement from within but they don’t understand to do that would require the whole thing be torn down.
@@rayray4192being confused definitely sucks man. I haven’t set foot in a church in so long because I’ve been left torn up. It’s as if I don’t belong anywhere. Thank you for your kind response it really meant a lot.
If you think you are a Roman Catholic, yet don't believe in the infallibility of pope in the seat, you are not a roman Catholic...if you don't believe in investigative judgement, Sunday laws, or synchronist believe in imparted power to maintain your character for justification, you are not an SDA ...
Brilliant discussion myles - it is very sad how these young pastors ( like many before them) think they can change the adventist organisation from ‘within’ Unfortunately they don’t realise that their ‘light’ adventism isn’t really adventism at all & is in fact incompatible with full blown adventism!🤷🏼♀️ Their determination to stay in it just shows again how hard it is to leave because they believe themselves ( maybe even subconsciously) to be in the remnant church through which they’ll be saved I pray that they will come to understand that they need to totally rely on Jesus & not on the ‘day’ 🙏🏻
This is really sad to see them agree but still can’t see why the Adventist church is problematic. They list SEVERAL fundamentals that they do believe in that align with the Adventist church theology of the “gospel”but maybe list 2-3 in Christianity (that are third level issues) as an excuse for staying. I rather them just say “I’m not leaving because I don’t want to” Vs. trying to say it’s A theological or logical perspective because there’s none. To be this close to the truth and still miss it is heartbreaking. I hope Miles continues conversations with them and the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to them.
You can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized if you accept her (the "spirit of prophecy"). I dare any Adventist to say "no" when you are affirming the individual fundamental beliefs during your baptismal vows and see what happens. You will be going home dry that day... that's for sure.
I was at a SDA baptism a few weeks ago, this was the first time a pastor did not ask the candidate if they believed in the Spirit of Prophecy! I was surprised..
Wow, this is awesome! I am so glad that I found you Myles. Your ministry is amazing and I will pray that God will keep using you in a mighty way. I was so sad to hear these three pastors and how they kept trying to combine Ellen White with the gospel, so very sad. I pray for these three guys that God would completely open their eyes and show them truth. They need to walk away from Ellen’s writings completely, and embrace the true gospel.!!! you were so respectful, but yet honest. Amazing.
When Ellen came back from Australia there was another popular prophet Anna Rice Philips and Ellen was loosing her popularity she therefore promoted the Bible and the Bible only
I'm impressed. Especially pointing out how they spoke of how you spoke well and not "how you were raised." To me, this brings up how many adventist children have been brainwashed, poisoned, and abused in the name of the denomination. It's a huge problem that needs to be addressed more. I'm speechless that the pastors in this video can continue with the lies of the SDA beginning and the beliefs.
At 51 minutes the pastor on the far left says, Myles we feel your pain.... It's not pain Myles is conveying, it's the difference between the bible and Ellen White's righteousness by faith.
I am a 6 month year old Christian, I started going to the SDA church for socialising and started doing 1 on 1 lessons and man... I was so confused because I read the bible for straight 4 months before going to any church and now I was being taught to stop being lead by the spirit, and instead continue with the flesh. "The 10 commandments you still have to obey", and I gave into a bit and tried to believe but I would get physically sick, leading me to seek the truth even deeper. And glory to God it lead me to understand the gospel even better (intellectually), I was following it spiritually just fine until EGW. It was bound to happen, how else do we learn to spiritual discern false teachings.
Next time, if there is a next time. Allow some SDA Pastors who believe in Leviticus 16 in context of The Investigative Judgment to discuss the Gospel🙏🏾
4 - 3 - 24 The ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the SDA MASONIC Probation Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment
4 - 3 - 24 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Why is the SDA's "progression" into truth always finding out the Protestants and Catholics were always right? That is amazing that they are finally reaching truth. So perhaps in a couple generation, they'll move past all their heterodoxy.
I have watched this twice. It baffles me how 3 adventist "pastors" have Biblical truth put right in front of thier faces, and still cling to demonic adventist doctrine. None of the 3 even know what they believe. And they stick with adventism because its what they know. Satan has his hold. Myles, you brilliantly and straightforwardly presented these men with what they need to see the truth in God. I pray that at some point that truth does what the truth is meant to do.
That’s because you don’t realized this is planned…. Those guys aren’t Adventist. They basically agree with everything, also if u click on their RUclips page you just realize it’s a troll Adventist page with if you look on the shorts as well as…. Videos of What is adventism
It’s only about asking Myles his questions to prove his point on Adventism…. None of them actually gave definitions to any of the answers asked. They agree with what Myles says lol
Shame the adventist trio wasn't Doug Batchelor, Walter Veith and Dwayne Lemon. 3 of the most patronising adventist ministers on you-tube. Those 3 know who to pick their fights with.
They guy in the bottom middle I don’t understand at all. He isn’t even an Adventist in beliefs😂 He literally admitted he probably wouldn’t stay an Adventist if it wasn’t for being grown up into it.
Seems we nd 2 abide by d guidance of D Holy Spirit, as God is willing 2 give 2 those who r willing 2, above all else, "obey Him." So if our heart is willing 2 choose wisely w all understanding/discretion as D Lord would give w knowledge of d prayerful study of His Word, then we don't confuse ourselves or others. Let's seek 2 abide by 1Corinthisns 13:4-8 ❤
The true church was and always will be born again believers in JESUS Christ worldwide, its a body, not a denomination or a building or a denominations doctrine . we are the remnant church and we are all over the world, and again its a body and Christ is the head. I am a Christian , a follower of JESUS Christ . i dont let any denomination define me, just the word alone
Yeah, Myles, I first listened to your commentary a few days ago and I was grieved about some things that you were saying, such as near the end when you said "the SDA Church is preaching a false gospel around the world and sending millions of people to hell. Then you said that the SDA Church is not Christian. So, I'm just trying to understand a little more about your Christian beliefs. You mentioned that , since you left the SDA Church, you've joined the Presbyterian Church. So let me ask you a few questions. (1) What authority do you use for your beliefs ? From what I heard a few days ago, when you attacked SDA beliefs on Sabbath keeping , you can't be using the Bible as your authority for your faith. Seventh day Sabbath observance is clearly a doctrine that is followed throughout the Scriptures by God's people. In the book of Acts , we see that, many years after the ascension of Christ, the Jewish Christians, the Gentile Christians , and the Apostles were still observing the Lord's Sabbath day. We can see this in Acts 13:14, 42,44 , Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, and Acts 18:4. You referred to the SDA Church as a reform movement instead of an extension of the first century Christian Church. I would tell you just the opposite, however, because it's you who are following the traditions of men by observing Sunday rather than God's holy Sabbath. My first question is this ? Why do you not follow God's commandment? ? I have a comment to share with you which was made by the PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: "Until, therefore , it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath " ---T. C . Blake, D. D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474, 475. Is this a double- speak by your Church or has your church just evolved into something all together different ? How can you justify just tossing out one of God's commandments but following the others ? Another question I have is this (2) Is your Church fulfilling the Great Commission to go into all the world and make disciples of all nations ? The SDA Church is in every nation where it is legal to be there; and we are also going into the others through the air waves and via satellite. We are following all of the counsel of Scriptures, as a Church. And , yes, Myles we are the remnant Church as defined in Rev 12:17( the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.) Rev 19:10 says" the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." So, let me ask you "What other Church is keeping all of God's commandments and has the prophetic gift in their Church ? Please understand that I in no way want to elevate myself or my church above those , in other churches , who are following all of the light that they have. It's the leaders of these churches that I'm calling out. They all profess to be Christian but do not obey God. And , by the way, obedience to God is an important part in our salvation, in receiving the Holy Spirit, and in having our prayers answered. Heb 5:9 says " And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him. " Acts 5:32 says " And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who OBEY Him" Then, in 1John 3:22, we read "And whatever we ask , we receive from Him because WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and do those things that are pleasing in His sight." And I know that there are many who believe that, because they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God and keep all of His commandments; but this is not what the holy scriptures teach . So, I need to go now but I have much more to say later. In closing , I just want to say that I'm trying to follow all of the light that I have; and after spending about 20 years each in the Baptist and the Catholic Church, I'm so thankful that God led me to the SDA Church. There are just so many things I love about our church; but I never even heard of it before I was already in my early 40's.
First of all obedience is not legalism. Legalism is legalism. And let’s be honest, the only reason you all are against the 10 commandments is because you can’t bring yourself to accept God’s 7th day Sabbath. Tradition got such a strong hold on you that you’d rather throw out God’s moral law than to accept the 7th day Sabbath. The only Sabbath the Bible knows. From Genesis 2:1-3 to the last book of the Bible
@@narrowistheway77 only an ignoramus would say this. Reformed refers to an entire system of theology. Not all Calvinists are Reformed. Which means the way you are using the terms to try and make your point proves you don’t even understand the terms you are utilizing.
@@answeringadventismignoramous is a synonym for a fool. Is that how a Christian is instructed to behave? My Jesus told us to call no man a fool. You should apologize if you’re truly my brother in Christ. There’s nothing ignorant or foolish about pointing out that Calvinism is a misrepresentation of GOD’s own character and that it is guilty of the exact same out of context misrepresentations of passages throughout the Bible without using greater context that the SDA’s use to justify their doctrines. Does it even occur to you that if you had read my statement more carefully you’d have realized I actually did affirm that there are reformed people who are not Calvinist? The statement “They aren’t actually reformed” implies pretty clearly that there are reformed Churches that aren’t Calvinist. Meanwhile Calvinist Churches are the exact Churches that use the word “Reformed” as their special banner word to define themselves. So I’m in no way, shape, or form ignorant to what I’m claiming. Did it also occur to you that you immediately resorted to using Ad-Hominem and Ad-Libbing in order to defend your own case which is a lack of defense altogether? By pointing your fingers of intellectual inferiority at me you’ve incidentally revealed your own intellectual inferiority at the exact same time. You are indeed a Calvinist member of the PCA, and my original comment was directed at your own ignorance of what being “reformed” would truly mean because you are indeed guilty of misusing what that term ought to imply. Truly reforming would be back to the Bible alone, not back to the Bible plus a select few early Church Bishops who themselves held heretical beliefs that your Church movement has adopted. Primary among those early Church Bishops is indeed Augustine and with him came your Augustinian predestination and soteriological heresies. Those things are indeed absolutely heresy according to scripture in full context, and whether or not they’re damnable heresy depends entirely upon how far each individual takes them, because taking those beliefs too far creates a totally different god who is not GOD! There’s nothing “reformed” about Calvinism, it just goes back to Augustinian philosophy rather than a truly Biblical theology/soteriology. You clearly got upset about having your own movement’s faults pointed out for you, but that’s exactly what you’re doing with the SDA’s. You should have thicker skin and a more humble heart if you want to be having these sorts of debates with others about their faults. For the record I agree with condemning Seventh Day Adventism too, but I find some of your own statements occasionally reveal that you went from one heresy to another. Do I think you’re not saved though? Actually no, I believe you drank the milk before you started eating spoiled meat and so you’re my brother either way. GOD Bless! ❤️
He Descended into Sheol at His death and rescued the captives. Those in Abraham's Bosom were taken into Heaven because they had believed in the coming Messiah. 🕊️
This is so frustrating. Miles you held it down. “I fear lest somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ” Many of these supposed “branches of Christianity” (rightly identified as different trees with different roots) are so complex for the purpose of covering tracks and cloaking the actual spirit behind the system that the true gospel, that Christ is perfectly sufficient for salvation, in and of Himself, is lost. Good work, bro. Amen.
The little horn in the book of révélation might be the sda chuch...I don't think it's the usa...funny how they can point the finger at other religion, but they are intact and without blemish..food for thought..
The little horn in Daniel is not the SDA church, as the beast that the horn comes from concerns the Roman empire. This is the kind of thing that happens when ppl try to guess or insert their own interpretations into scripture instead of allowing it to speak for itself.
Listening to these fellows speak keeps bringing a verse to mind. Acts 26:28-29 KJV Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. [29] And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds. 🙏🕊️🙏
The essential question not addressed: does the bible, God's revealed word state...teach that what you believe can save you or damn you? If it does, then how is man a sinner reconciled or saved according to God's word? Then, all sects religion should be compared and contrasted according to God's word. And here are the differences in jw, sda, rcc, mormans, pca, evangelicals, islam, hindu, Buddhism, wicca, etc ...salvific beliefs are universal, catholic, not on who are the two witnesses...etc.
I enjoyed this discussion very much. However, I do believe it would be much more productive if Miles had more of an in depth discussion with one minister at a time. The 3 ministers seem to talk over each other and Miles is not able to go deeper with the discussion.
There's enough excuse 2 find fault if you want to, since God will not use force in any way. He wants us 2 love, honor, n glorify Him. Salvation is very "personal," so we nd 2 focus on humility, repentance, with prayerful study, while we ask 4 D Holy Spirit's inspiration. Pray
I don't know who these 3 so-called SDA pastors are, but they are the poorest selection of representatives especially this guy on the left of the screen, graduate of Andrews University, which is an institution infiltrated by Jesuits, replete with Spiritual Formation; exercises TOTALLY anathema to Seventh-day Adventisim. Were these guys picked by Myles? These guys / so-CALLED pastors have no back-bone / knowledge to defend TRUE Seventh-day Adventisim. What are the two guys on the side: bookends? Myles, why don't you debate Elder Dennis Priebe , Dr.Conrad Vine, Dr. Olatunji, Professor /Pastor Walter J.Veith , Stephen Bohr, Pastor Ron Kelly,etc.?(i'm not crazy about Doug Batchelor) I also do not think it fair that you, Myles quote from "Questions On Doctrine", because it is rejected because it was an attempt of the GConference to be considered similar to other so-called Protestant churches, and not be called a Cult by Walter Martin. Again, COMPROMISE. If these 3 guys are Seventh-day Adventists, then we're in the sad state of affairs, but the Bible describes the last CHURCH as Laodecia-lukewarm, and Sister Ellen White affirms this also. I DON'T think the Bible ,nor the Spirit of Prophecy lies. Myles , you put up a wall re: anything Ellen White. Let the writings of Sister White speak for themselves. Even her detractors admitted, " she was a truly Godly woman." No Great Controversy between Christ and Satan?! Read Revelation 12:7-17. Does the book, The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, not TOTALLY unmask Satan and is backed by History? As for the Investigative Judgment: may i humbly suggest that you read Psalm 77. Read verse 13: "Thy way, O God,is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?" To the 3 so-called SDA pastors. Return to your Bibles and Spirit of Prophecy and do NOT try so hard to AGREE with Myles/ANYONE else or appease him . This is what led to the likes of Walter Martin, Dr. Rhea(the White Lie author), Des Ford calling us a cult... WHAT DO WE CARE?! Jesus said, " if they hated me, they will hate you also." What an honor to be persecuted for Jesus's sake! We truly thank you Myles. Myles is bent on wasting his time on trying to tear down Seventh-day Adventisim. But we are NOT Babylon, and Myles KNOWS that. Adventisim is the ONLY MESSAGE, the Everlasting Gospel that Roman Catholicism fears because we expose the TRUTH about her and her daughters , Apostate Protestantism aka "the False Prophet " of which Myles has become a devotee.All we can do for Myles is pray for him, to be Presbyterian is no different than Roman Catholicism. The only one i could agree with was Sean & as a church, i too would not change Seventh-day Adventisim . The Sanctuary Doctrine: for is is none other than the TRUE plan of SALVATION. Myles REALLY: do you think you can committ murder, steal, commit adultery, without ther being any consequences since you are saved once and for all? "To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this it is because there is no light in them. - Isaiah 8:20 Oh, that " once saved always saved " because IF, that is true, question: THEN WHY DID JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS? Paul says in Romans 6:1-3:" What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2)God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3)Know ye not , that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?" ADVENTISIM WILL NOT COMPROMISE. NO COMPROMISE AT ALL. If Myles understood Daniel and Revelation, in essence: BIBLICAL PROPHESY then he would understand the Investigative Judgment. Myles is bent on playing devil's advocate and has lost his way he would understand Daniel 8:14, because that is the kind of God we serve, Someone who wants to collect evidence ergo"investigation " to clear even His name because Satan falsely accused Him before an entire universe. Secondly, sin and the one in whom it was found must be done away with. Myles will soon learn that Satan KNOWS more Bible than and him.
Without a doubt I know they are Jesuits Miles Ministry is solely focused on debunking adventism as I scrolled through all his content he barely even speaks Bible or have Bible study classes or anything of the sort and his comments are mysteriously one sided in commentary throughout
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Meet Myles: Former Adventist
1:06 - Conversion Story: Finding Faith
8:15 - Understanding the Gospel
11:23 - Adventist Upbringing Insights
16:30 - Exploring Ellen White's Influence
19:56 - Adventism's Cult-Like Aspects
23:54 - Debating: Is Adventism a Cult?
27:53 - Walter Martin's View of SDA
32:18 - Leaving the Adventist Faith
32:50 - Examining the Adventist Gospel
40:43 - Analyzing Adventist Fundamental Beliefs
42:14 - Interpretation of Adventist Doctrines
46:20 - Confidence in Ellen White's Teachings
51:06 - Personal Exit Stories
54:47 - Concept of Bible-Only Adventism
57:13 - Evaluating Miles's Arguments
57:55 - The Authority of Ellen White
1:02:16 - Formation of Adventist Beliefs
1:04:54 - Ellen White's Theological Impact
1:09:06 - Adventist Theology vs Scripture
1:11:56 - Staying Adventist Despite Disagreements
1:12:57 - Reasons for Remaining in Adventism
1:14:17 - Defending Adventist Principles
1:18:07 - Seeking Adventist Founders' Vision
1:21:50 - Adventist View on the Trinity
1:25:12 - Adventist Interpretation of the Gospel
1:29:10 - Defining Adventism
1:31:15 - Debating Adventist Definitions
1:36:02 - Concluding Thoughts
1:39:10 - Understanding Adventist Identity
1:40:25 - Addressing Black and White Issues
1:46:35 - Discussing Jesus's Humanity
1:47:44 - Jesus: Fully God and Fully Man
1:50:26 - Jesus's Omnipresence Debate
1:52:10 - Jesus's Earthly Experience
1:57:55 - Final Reflections
2:00:17 - Agreement with Ted Wilson's Views
2:01:23 - Addressing Adventist Concerns
2:06:24 - Dissonance within Adventism
2:07:35 - Dissent and Diversity in Adventism
2:09:35 - Adventist Church Perfection Debate
2:15:37 - Investigative Judgment Discussion
2:21:32 - Satan's Role as Scapegoat
2:25:10 - Mormonism vs Christianity
2:27:24 - Investigative Judgment Revisited
2:29:15 - Adventism's Identity Dilemma
2:33:17 - Gospel According to Adventism
2:36:18 - Closing Remarks
You’re defining Protestantism in different terms than the reformers did. A Protestant is just any Christian in an active Protest with the Roman Papacy and dogma of the Roman Catholic Church…. Technically your own Church isn’t very Protestant anymore in that traditional sense, nor are the Anglicans. So I fully reject your understanding of Protestantism, as would the reformers themselves
Born and raised in the SDA organization and never heard the gospel. Until I left at the age of 40.
Yes. Heard it at 19 for the first time myself.
@@answeringadventism I am now 51. Took about 5 years to untangle the mess I learned. Never thought of going back. I know God would not tell me to go back to false organization portraying itself as christian. An organization who believes abortion is a religious freedom of choice. That is satanic. It’s all about the money nowadays.
Fourth generation SDA (well former) and it was my whole life for 27 years! My heart finally learned the true gospel laid out black and white 2 years ago. Praise God.
The thing that was always so confusing to me was Adventism has the same TERMS (made righteous by faith) but different DEFINITIONS
see my whole life I did not understand because I was not taught the true nature of us, I didn’t understand that it was our actual spirit that was born dead, and that when we believe in what Jesus did that he raises our spirit from death to life, which then seals us with the Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1) and that’s how we are declared righteous and how the law has nothing to do with that miracle, where we now operate under the law of Christ in a different covenant and led by the spirit and not the letter of the law.
Then reading Galatians knocked me over. I had never read it before in my life. It literally blew me away two years ago when I learned the truth.. it was like reading the New Testament with completely new eyes
It wasn’t until I was about 35 for me but thank God I can at least raise my children in Spirit & Truth or the Gospel.
Same, heard the gospel at 30.
This was my favourite interview so far.
Myles' testimony in the beginning really resonated with me as mine is quite similar.
I too have had an encounter with the Lord one night in my bedroom, and literally overnight all of my desires changed. I developed this intense hunger to read the Bible, from start to finish. The Word of God became so alive to me, and even though I had read the Bible before, it was like I was seeing some scriptures for the first time.
Everything changed from that point on - my way of thinking, my perspective on worldly things, my desire for wordly entertainment disappeared etc.
I started to hate the things that God hates, and had this intense burden for souls.
All I can say is that once the Lord encounters you, and the scales are removed, it's impossible to go back to the old way of thinking.
That’s it. 🙏
This is the true experience of salvation by grace my brother
@@answeringadventism Hey Myles, the great smiles of Myles. My 84 year old mom says your a handsome young man. I digress.
Can you take a moment of your busy time to gander at a video on YT. (easy Clickism if I posted a link, so a quick searchism is a practice I do)
ANTICHRIST WORSHIP! Ancient History to Modern Times | Dr. Gene Kim
To this fella called KIM the GENIE or GENIE bin Kim, all the likes of John MacArthur, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin, Jamse White, and other Reformed Theologians are FAKES...ie ANTICHRIST, always projecting himself as the "all knowing". I've stopped listening to his podcasts/sermons when he started calling my favorite Evangelical preacher, Dr J Mac as a false preacher! Whay a silly bloke this Genie the son of Kim!!
Agreed! This was my favorite video yet. The respectful dialogue was so refreshing when so much content on youtube is "owning" each other.
Myles I wanna thank you for changing my life bro.
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Adventists do not have the gospel that saves.
Myles, the Lord is using you in a powerful way! You helped me fire the church this week! Now involved with a grace-based church 100%.
This was one of the most articulate and cordial debates I have ever watched. I pray these three SDA pastors will be convicted through the power of the Holy Spirit, receive the true gospel of Jesus Christ and renounce their faith and teachings of the Adventist doctrine, that they would be born again and joined to the Body of Christ in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen
@@jacquiemorgan1361 If you are truly concerned for my soul and in fulfilling the great commission set me on the right track.
@@jacquiemorgan1361 Galatians 2:21 “I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” The law was given to the Jews not the Gentiles…..In James own words in agreement with the Apostles at the Jerusalem council Acts 15:19-20 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood……….not a word about Sabbath keeping.
Amen. I second your prayer. These men seem genuine. I pray the words spoken in this video stay on their mind, that they would be willing to go wherever the Lord calls and that they hear and comprehend that still small voice.
@@greywisker3180 Now read Acts 15:21 where James clearly states that Gentiles were instructed in the Law _every Sabbath_ . So yes, there is a word about Sabbath keeping. It doesn't say the Gentiles were instructed on Sunday or any other day. The Sabbath is a permanent institution. So says God Himself in Exo. 31:16.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Acts 15:21 does not say that. You have misspoke. And Exodus 31:16 says……..”Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant”
Great show. It is funny that these guys are good at misdirection and ignoring EGW whenever it is convenient.
Great conversation! Really like these guys. They're not far off from the kingdom. We all need to pray that God will open their eyes and hearts to accept the true gospel and reject Adventism. It seems that they might be there but just can't seem to let go of Adventist culture, community and structure. May God continue to work on their hearts and minds.
If you reject and ignore everything Ellen ever said or wrote, you will NEVER have the suppositions or come to the conclusions the Adventist church has.
Amen. It’s a spiritual stronghold. Notice he said “ I genuinely tried to leave Adventism, but it’s like I couldn’t”
That is a spiritual stronghold. Let’s keep praying
Amen! I’d really like to highlight what you said about people seeming like they understand the errors of Adventism but not wanting to or being able to leave because of the comfort they find in the Adventist culture, community, and structure. It’s sooo hard to leave such a well-connected circle that you’ve been in your whole life. I pray that my friends and myself can rely on God for the courage to leave and seek a church community that teaches the true gospel. 🙏
Im going to pray for these young men to have their eyes open. I left 10 years ago, I didn’t know the gospel, I didn’t know or understand the trinity, I had horrible health problems due to the Adventist health message, I didn’t know the Bible period. I was taught to believe fellow believers were evil and that they would kill me. I had terrifying experiences in my SDA elementary and middle school where we were put through abusive scare tactics to “prepare” us for the torture we would face by other Christians. They put a little girl who was claustrophobic in a plastic container and yelled at her to share the 3 angels message. She was screaming so loud that the teacher eventually let her out and she cried, filled with guilt, believing she failed God.
Praise God He is so merciful , so loving, and I finally know Him. I now understand His word through the Holy Spirit that opened my eyes.
Thanks be to God!
Hope they get out. "Comfort" imprisons them. They want to identify themselves as Adventists yet they don't couldn't conform to what Adventism says it is. Such dilemma. A cognitive dissonance.
Former for 10 years now and for the 61 years in Adventism, 4th generation, I did Not know Jesus Christ is God Almighty, fully God and fully Man - even in the incarnation. Raised directly with Ellen G White writings as the full understanding of what the Bible says and means. My 42 year old daughter has Never read a Ellen G White book and Yet speaking with her she is explaining to me her beliefs that come directly out of Ellen as if she’d read Ellen’s books and thus the understanding of the Scriptures she has is fully Ellen G White’s writings.
I did not know the Gospel either. Oh I just knew “the three angels message” as the gospel message only. I certainly understood Sabbath keeping meant salvation.
Myles spoke truth. Are the SDA pastors willing to loose salvation because of their family. The true gospel doesn’t change. Good job Myles. Proud of you!
You can't be an Adventist without affirming the fundamental beliefs. All of them!. These people need to understand this fact! If their conferences even heard this conversation, these pastors wouldn't be allowed to preach anymore!
I was thinking the same, won't these men get into trouble for disagreeing with their core doctrines.. I was screamed at for questioning EGW visions
Its because you can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized and called an Adventist if you accept her and everything she said. You deny that belief, then you're not an Adventist.
SDA are similar to Islam if you delve deeper into it
Good stuff Myles!! Please keep these discussions coming.
I thought this was a great discussion. Everyone was polite and not beating around the bush. Very good. Thank you Myles for bringing truth in your videos. May God bless you as He has given you a learned mind to bring His message of truth forth. I am a born again believer with SDA friends.
Why are those 3 SDA if they want to define it “their” own way……..they’re openly defending the very things that they AGREE IS FALSE!? 😅😂
They don’t want to potentially lose friends or the paycheck
Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. "I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!" Matthew 10:34-35
Beliefs are more nuanced than we would like to consider. Genetics, habits and age cause us to communicate and understand ideas differently.
@@rayray4192 That is true, but how one understands and communicates biblical truth is subjective to a certain extent. This should not be ignored if a culture of understanding is to be created. Even the Bible can attest this idea. If we cannot accept the diversity of humanity we will continue to war among ourselves as if God made all of humanity as one organism rather than individual, thinking beings.
Finished up, I think the problem is their ecumenist spirit. They say over and over "we agree with that"... Well guys it's not what you would include in your beliefs, it's the fact that you won't exclude the wrong beliefs!
For example, regarding the Trinity, they think it's okay to say 3 beings because later it says 3 persons. It doesn't matter if you later say the right thing, the fact that you also include believing the wrong thing totally nullifies the correct thing. Making such a blunder of "3 beings" but saying "well it's okay because it says 3 persons later" is the equivalent of standing before a judge saying "but your honor, look at all the people I didn't murder!" Wrong is wrong and these guys are acting like Jello with their beliefs not realizing how contradictory and flakey their theology is.
I think Myles if you have another talk with them, it might be best to get them to state definitively what should NOT be believed. SDAs include anti trinitarians in their ranks often and that would be abhorrent to the church fathers, but I don't think these guys would care.
I have a couple of questions.. 2 of the 3 pastors said that they felt they could use their position to preach the true gospel … I was under the impression (former SDA w/family & friends still in it) that the Gen Conf dictates/provides the sermon subject matter, Sabbath School lessons, & Bible Reading plans (which are more EGW than Bible). So if I’m correct on that- how will these pastors follow through with preaching the true gospel to their churches?
Also, why be in a denomination that does not even make clear their statement of faith & beliefs?These pastors indicated, “well we know what it truly means..” so what about members or potential believers who research the denomination? Is it okay that ppl may turn away from further study or worship, since nothing is actually made clear?
The Bible says that those who are called to exhort the gospel are held to a higher standard of obedience. Because they are influencing so many ppl.. I got the distinct impression that none of the 3 pastors actually seemed concerned with that.. 🤔 again, did I miss something? If so, please enlighten..
My own dealings with unanswered questions & mixed messages is exactly why I left. After attending their schools through academy.
Thankfully a true man of God preached the true gospel to me, which I accepted. And it is GOOD NEWS!
I would like to ask all 3 pastors to reply to one question.. do you believe that you are saved by faith alone? And that your good works (aka fruits) are evidence of salvation NOT requirements? It’s a simple question.. easily answered by Gods Word.. nothing/no-one else needed..
God bless you Myles.. what courage you have to take on 3 to 1.. keep sharing the GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
You can’t preach the true gospel, the system and traditional conservative SDA won’t let you. There will always be a pushback.
I remember when me and my wife first began debating sda'ism. I asked her what the gospel and salvation is and she had no answers for me. It was as if she didn't even know what the words meant.
This is one area where I disagree with these gentlemen. They say that they(sda people) have and understand the gospel just as myles explained it about the Christian church yet their people can't even define it.
To answer your questions:
1. No the GC does not dictate what to preach
2. No the Sabbath School quarterly is not required
3. Yes you can preach the real gospel in an adventist church
4. There are certain sacred cows that cannot be confronted publicly yet.
5. God does keep calling us here to reach sda as they need Jesus too.
6. Adventism is changing, especially since the internet.
7. There are 3 Adventisms: left humanist, right pioneer worshippers, center evangelical; and that includes conferences too.
Fascinating conversation. I remember feeling very similar to these men when I was preparing for the SDA ministry as a theology major. You're convinced that the Pioneers and even EGW are in need of correction; you cannot transfer to another denomination because your beliefs are too far afield, and so you remain and "fight" for the gospel. But you know deep down you can never win. You eventually view the divisions within Adventism as a strength. "We're a big tent." You give up belief in the church's authority to delineate correct teaching. Conviction feels "back and white"; doctrinal precision seems combative and impractical. I've seen it too many times. Lord, have mercy.
This was me. For a little while, and then I started to learn too much about Ellen White, the occultism, the awful things she and James did, not even mentioning all of the heretical stuff she taught. It was just too much. I could no longer hinge myself to a group that supported and pushed that. It’s really sad that these three guys are stuck in that position and I really feel for them I just keep praying that they would ask God for the strength to take a stand
@@bbsvchic Amen 🙏
Omg wow...that's exactly it.
You were changing because you received the Holy Spirit.
SDA is in the national geographic as the 3rd healthiest people in the world. Bible diet.
Really great discussion! I’ve been waiting to see this one and it did not disappoint. Myles you are a warrior, thank you for your boldness. I appreciate that these pastors were honest about where they’re at and and I pray this plants seeds. Would love to see more conversations with them.
Adventists double speak...they use biblical evangelical words and attach different meanings, very deceptive.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 true
That's like saying the Presbyterian church wich (Miles current church) never identify straight away (though you might attend) that they do NOT believe that Jesus died for everyone but for a select peaple before they were even born (predestined) everyone else predestined for destruction and that destruction is everlasting (time wise) kept alive forever in hell to suffer endlessly.
Hey Myles, I too am a third generation former 7. I appreciate your work on these videos and what you and others are doing. My story, what it comes down to, was reading the Bible in context and letting the Bible interpret itself. I know this is how a lot of us have overcome false teachings and false gospels. Praise God, Holy Spirit, and The Word my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now for the comment I have from watching the video. It is always interesting to me that the 7s love to say " Reading egw is meant to point people back to reading the Bible " Yet when they ask you , " How come you don't go to a 7 church anymore and why don't you subscribe to the 7s beliefs? ' And you answer, I read the Bible. They look at you with bewilderment. You said in the beginning of this video, that you got a hunger for the Word of God. So that is awesome right? I think that it is. When I tell people that I grew up with or my family members, that it was reading the Bible as to why I don't agree with the 7s theology, some then start to tell me I don't know anything and don't understand the 7 beliefs. As if I didn't even grow up with them and was taught the very same thing. It is so sad. The 3 responses that I get when telling my story are 1. I never knew of the contradictions between the Bible and egw. I am going to look into that. Then after some time and reading their Bibles, they pop smoke and leave. 2. Don't tell me anymore, because I like where I am at and what I am doing so leave me alone. 3. You have gone off the deep end. Argh, you are gonna get the mark of the beast! Again thank you.
Yes, classic. If you disagree with the fundamentals then , "you didn't properly understand them". I see this a lot.
Yes, and the few times that i have been able to have more lengthy conversations about the fundamentals,( which by the way, are a lot as fundamentals go) they really don't know what they are themselves. And I understand that because I really didn't know them well either until I took the Gospel of Jesus to heart and examined them for myself. Defending beliefs that you don't really know what they are is crazy. I will continue to Pray and have conversations with my loved ones and friends. Thank you for your reply.@@Liz.StudentoftheKing
Hey!! 7DAs..., how am I gonna be getting the 666 Mark of the Beast when I shall long have been RAPTURED at Pre-Trib??? 7DAs don't believe in the RAPTURE of the FOLLOWERS of YESHUA HAMASHIACH, so, they should stop being naive by telling NON-7DAs that they shall be getting the 666 Mark!!
Brilliantly stated. No 7 really wants to challenge their views Biblically when they realize they have been duped. It was hard for me as well. I’m a product of 3rd gen 7 and my father and grandfather were both ministers. As a very young child, I had questions that were never answered clearly about 7’s doctrine. When I started studying the Bible, everything I had been taught, could no longer be valid.
One more interesting thing that happened when we canceled our 7 membership was, when the 7 pastor asked why we were leaving, they wanted to make sure that it wasn't an issue with somebody or the 7 staff. When we explained that it was absolutely not, but was completely a matter of who Jesus is and what He has done, (The Gospel) and not agreeing with 7 fundamental beliefs, they immediately said "we respect your decision and goodbye. They were no longer wanting to discuss anything else or any further conversation. My wife and I thought that it was quite telling. Especially since we were quite involved volunteering there, and members for almost 40 years.
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The gentleman in the middle"Our goal is to win you (Myles) back to the one true church"jokes aside, I asked an Adventist elder why are you lamenting for my soul because I rejected EGW and her movement? Adventism and their 28 fundamental beliefs cannot get us into Heaven only Jesus can
How do these pastor promote a gospel they don't fully get down with? There is a lack of integrity at play, and it is at the peril of the congregation member. Its so sad.
You did an amazing job Myles. It is more than obvious how thick the SDA veil is and they just can’t see it. One moment you think they are on the right path, and then they mention well that’s where I was born, my family, blah blah blah. I honestly hope for them (and any other SDA as well) that they will be willing to follow Jesus no matter what!!! You planted the seed. May God bless you and them as well!
Adventism are not only a different tree, but a tree in completely different paddock. Atleast the SDA tree isn't standing alone, they stand next to the tree of Mormonism and Jehovah Witness...ism.
I don’t miss anything from this cult, I’m so relived knowing the I don’t have to pretend anymore. I feel secure in Jesus I just need him in my life and I keep praying for my family that someday they will open their eyes and see the truth
Thanks
Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. He also said that heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away. Some of you are just loving the new wave church, where you can support what God calls an abomination, willfully living in sin, supporting homosexuality, shacking up, elective abortions. A true church will teach all of the Bible from cover to cover. Some of you hate hearing about sin so you will gravitate towards the church that remains silent against sin and you love to embrace the very liberal church. But remember Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words will never pass away. If you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS...
Tthis was interesting.no one on the panel seemed to have waged any physical irspiritual battle with satans army. I think they are all wrong. Be blessed.
Galatians 4:21-31
2 Corinthians 3:4-18
Romans 7
If you are a new Adventist or thinking of joining please study these passages and ask questions.
Watch them closely as they try and squirm out of the proper interpretation.
Ask the “church” if you can be a member without subscribing to Ellen White.
I can answer that question. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. You can’t be married to someone that doesn’t believe Ellen.
Don’t forget Galatians 3, Colossians 2:16-18 and Romans 3!! And Hebrews 8:10-13
@@IjeomaMenkiti The first thing they do with newly baptised members is gift them her books.
@@calvindonaldson9879 They didn’t gift me with any. I guess because the man I married already had them 🤷🏽♀️
My greatest prayer is that Adventists will actually hear and believe the gospel of our salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4). The three angels messages cannot save anyone. But unless the GC will allow pastors to preach the true Gospel and the completed Atonement (2000 yrs ago), and come to grips with the Jesus Christ and the One Triune God of Scripture, how will they ever be converted? Only Jesus saves us. Ellen White , the 3 angels msgs., law keeping and the sabbath cannot save anyone. None of those things are the power of God unto salvation. Fantastic job as always, Myles.
Absolutely correct and spot on brother in Christ.
Once they allow the enemy to blind their minds with his lies and deceptions, it will be very difficult, if not, impossible for them to allow the Holy Spirit to lead them out to the true gospel of Jesus Christ which can set them free.
Otherwise, they will remain blinded until Jesus returns for His church at rapture.
I totally agree with you.
Follow the money
I have a question to ask you
What's now the gospel?
This 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for planting the seeds to these 3 young pastors, hoping they will open their eyes soon before they lead more people astray. Thanking God for you and your bravery.
After listening to whole show, are mormons christians? He just avoids a yes or no answer, and says my main point is ... These guys are just as slick as the pioneers...perhaps not even knowing it...plus, we dont have time...lol...work out your salvation people...
These friends of ours, that are so close, seem to not realize or fail to realize that there are key cardinal hinging essential mandatory beliefs that make up salvation, and it state of the dead or the intermediate state is a secondary issue that doesn't prevent Christian unity. I have a suspicion that the reason they haven't left is because of the Sabbath, which I subjectively find the greatest obstacle if you disagree with EGW and IJ and some kind of complete yet incomplete contradiction of atonement, the Sabbath from the SDAs holds people back
@Answering Adventism @Myles i know this was some time back. You planted the seeds in these 3 and God does the rest, i pray they'll contact you to start the process of leaving Adventism. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
My mom was an SDA and all the things she taught me and also what i began to learn it is all unfolding right before our eyes. The end times. When i was in 7th grade my mom told me there would a day when the government will be able to watch us through our TVs. Im 63 now and she was right.
George Orwell wrote that in 1984. Is he your prophet ?
I just finished watching; your ending statement is the Gospel Truth.
Myles clearly came prepared and the otber 3 guys felt a bit unprepared on their core beliefs and doctrines
@ time mark 1:13:39 after Myles asks a great question, I think the response here is common to many SDA's...they would choose man (love of family that are in the culture of Adventism) over honoring God and God's word.
How are they not seeing that it's a different gospel? How are they okay with satan being part of salvation and atonment? How are they okay with "progressive truth" and everything else they're okay with regarding SDA?
Myles, this interview goes to show that you were correct in another video when you said the field of Adventism is untapped and ripe for picking.
It was bizarre how often the pastors agreed with you. At one point, they seemed to conceed that Adventism teaches a false gospel, but later retracted. I believe you planted some great seeds here. May another come along and water.
One pastor admitted he would not be an Adventist if it wasnt for family. Adventism is a culture in itself. The sense of community and family is profound. However, Culture and family are not good enough reasons to stay in a religion.
The Adventist laity is truley a special people and my heart goes out to them as they were my family for nearly a decade. It's time for Adventist to face the music and realize, they're not going to be able to change the organization or the fundamentals. God has offered the church many opportunities to repent of false doctrines and of the false prophet, but the organization has refused. It's time to get out of this false religion.
Myles; continue to speak candidly, continue to ask the tough questions, continue to press and hold their feet to the fire. God is calling His people into his family.
God Bless
That was an informative and solid interaction. I commend the 3 SDA Pastors for being willing to confront their theological oddities by answering Adventism. Remember folks, Ellen White was a "rabid" anti-Trinitarian to her death. Read the August 29, 1878 (Volume 52 No. 10) Sabbath Herald Article written by D.M. Canright and tell me if ANY of it is compatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity. Next look up the August 22nd 1878 Sabbath Herald (Volume 52 No. 9) and read "THE COLORADO TENT" article wherein you may observe it gloated that Ellen White herself REVISED / EDITED Canright's August 29, 1878 Personality of God article that was militantly anti-Trinitarian. This alone should close the case on the subject of Ellen White leading the SDA Church to adopt the Trinity - it's outrageous to suggest such a thing.
I love these guys. I think the guy on the right was hit with some things to think about and seemed to be in a bit of denial at the endish but never the less love and appreciate their willingness to cordially talk and be honest.
Thank you guys and thank you myles for hammering the gospel at the end because that's what it's about.
Yes. Big respect to them for inviting me on and having a good chat. Another discussion with them upcoming possibly 👀
So I looked in the description to get the correct spelling of your name - Myles/Miles - &, lo, it showed BOTH spellings 😅
I'm an Adventist because of Ellen's view of scripture, but I reject her other ideas... Cognitive dissonance?
They seem to be okay with a little bit of error in their doctrine.
These pastors where all over the place.
What my question to these men is what do they say is a false gospel?
Awesome interview. I wish everyone could debate this corditrially. I hope God rescues these 3 young man. Miles, your making a difference. Continue the fight for Truth ❤
Well done Myles!
I also find that one of the answers to the dilemma that at least two out of three of the young SDA paid pastors in this video are feeling with regards to differences of understandings aside from CHRIST and the Gospel is embracing the ekklesia/assembly understanding.
Here’s a quote from the Catholic Catechism of the Council of Trent, 1566
“But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ’s righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. *God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place;* and in order for man to *retain justification,* there must be *continual obedience,* through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.”
Actually, I was just kidding; that was from _ELLEN WHITE, Selected Messages, Book One, page 366._
Are Adventists really the heirs of the Protestant Reformation when their position on justification is closer to Rome’s infused righteousness of faith + works than Martin Luther or John Calvin’s imputed righteousness by faith alone?
@@rayray4192 I think his post is misleading and sneaky... because, Martin Luther and Calvin never said that the law of God have been abolish...
" For unless the gospel be plainly discerned from the law, the true Christian doctrine cannot be kept sound and uncorrupt. The Gospel bestows the spirit of freedom, to the Christian,so that we can obey from the heart. The LAW is not then THROWN out, but put in it's Place"
Martin Luther
The question was asked to the three pastors: why would you remain in the Adventist Church ? I would first ask these questions back ? Where else would I go ? What other Church do you know that teaches believers that we need to keep all of God's commandments ? And with these questions , if we are truly Christians, then we have to consider what the Word of God says about keeping the commandments . Let's first go to the book of Revelation. We see that God specifically identifies His people as "those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 14:12). Then we go to another verse in Revelation and read one of God's promises to His people : "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). And then the Apostle John really drives home the IMPORTANCE of COMMANDMENT KEEPING . We read "He who says, " I know Him, " and does not keep His commandments , is a liar and the truth is not in him." Now, I know that many people who claim to be Christians , also, believe that, since they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God . But this is not what the scriptures teach ! The 5th commandment tells us to honor our parents ; so why wouldn't we obey and honor our Creator and Redeemer as well ? After all, He is the One who gives us the breath of life and sustains us . We also see that there is an important connection between having our prayers answered and obeying God: We read "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight"(1 John 3:22). Jesus, Himself, says "He who has My commandments and keeps them , it is he who loves Me..." (John 14:21) and "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15) . King Solomon says: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all" (Eccl. 12:13). Also mentioned in this interview ,and maybe at the very heart of it, is the gospel ! And I can think of so much Good News that we teach in the Seventh-Day-Adventist Church ; and Ellen White , in all of her writings, never fails to uplift Our wonderful Saviour ! I can understand how someone, in their youth , might have misunderstandings and doubts ; but I have trouble with understanding how a mature Christian can turn away from the TRUTH. I didn't grow up as an Adventist and never even heard of this Church until I was 45 years old. I'm now 76 years of age and just feel so happy and blessed that God led me into this Church. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church and , in my early 20's, I met a beautiful Catholic girl and got married. So, not making religion a priority in my life, I joined the Catholic Church and we raised our children in the Catholic Church. Then about 20 years later , our family discovered the Truth, that had been missing in our lives through a book called The Great Controversy. And I just can't begin to tell all of the ways we've been blessed . But I will say that we recognized Truth, when we saw it, because we were making a habit of reading our Bibles. As for me, I will follow the Truth wherever it leads and I will never again choose to follow the popular "traditions of men" over the Bible. And , YES, this also means keeping that commandment that says "REMEMBER."
You should have asked them if you have to believe in the words of EGW to be saved. They seem to have held the position that it’s a different interpretation. If that’s the case then why be an Adventist. If their interpretation is just as good as any other church, then you can be associated with any denomination. They contradicted their prophet so many times in this video. As a very confused pretty much ex Adventist they have confused me even more.
This is the result of not understanding the system of SDA theology (that it’s a package deal) and trying to take your own spin on it for the sake of remaining in the organization.
There’s always a group that wants to try and reform the movement from within but they don’t understand to do that would require the whole thing be torn down.
@@rayray4192being confused definitely sucks man. I haven’t set foot in a church in so long because I’ve been left torn up. It’s as if I don’t belong anywhere. Thank you for your kind response it really meant a lot.
If you think you are a Roman Catholic, yet don't believe in the infallibility of pope in the seat, you are not a roman Catholic...if you don't believe in investigative judgement, Sunday laws, or synchronist believe in imparted power to maintain your character for justification, you are not an SDA ...
Brilliant discussion myles - it is very sad how these young pastors ( like many before them) think they can change the adventist organisation from ‘within’ Unfortunately they don’t realise that their ‘light’ adventism isn’t really adventism at all & is in fact incompatible with full blown adventism!🤷🏼♀️
Their determination to stay in it just shows again how hard it is to leave because they believe themselves ( maybe even subconsciously) to be in the remnant church through which they’ll be saved
I pray that they will come to understand that they need to totally rely on Jesus & not on the ‘day’ 🙏🏻
This is really sad to see them agree but still can’t see why the Adventist church is problematic. They list SEVERAL fundamentals that they do believe in that align with the Adventist church theology of the “gospel”but maybe list 2-3 in Christianity (that are third level issues) as an excuse for staying. I rather them just say “I’m not leaving because I don’t want to” Vs. trying to say it’s A theological or logical perspective because there’s none. To be this close to the truth and still miss it is heartbreaking. I hope Miles continues conversations with them and the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to them.
The church sends out a billion copies of their book of Mormon, er.. the great controversy, but its ok, we dont all believe that.
😂👍
You can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized if you accept her (the "spirit of prophecy"). I dare any Adventist to say "no" when you are affirming the individual fundamental beliefs during your baptismal vows and see what happens. You will be going home dry that day... that's for sure.
I was at a SDA baptism a few weeks ago, this was the first time a pastor did not ask the candidate if they believed in the Spirit of Prophecy! I was surprised..
Wow, this is awesome! I am so glad that I found you Myles. Your ministry is amazing and I will pray that God will keep using you in a mighty way. I was so sad to hear these three pastors and how they kept trying to combine Ellen White with the gospel, so very sad. I pray for these three guys that God would completely open their eyes and show them truth. They need to walk away from Ellen’s writings completely, and embrace the true gospel.!!! you were so respectful, but yet honest. Amazing.
When Ellen came back from Australia there was another popular prophet Anna Rice Philips and Ellen was loosing her popularity she therefore promoted the Bible and the Bible only
Definitely a great interview. Thanks for the video all of you.
Thanks Myles and the 3 pastors for a great discussion. Hope you all do it again.
Well done to all. Great discussion. Learning new things everyday.
Thank God for you life 🙏
I'm impressed. Especially pointing out how they spoke of how you spoke well and not "how you were raised." To me, this brings up how many adventist children have been brainwashed, poisoned, and abused in the name of the denomination. It's a huge problem that needs to be addressed more. I'm speechless that the pastors in this video can continue with the lies of the SDA beginning and the beliefs.
At 51 minutes the pastor on the far left says, Myles we feel your pain.... It's not pain Myles is conveying, it's the difference between the bible and Ellen White's righteousness by faith.
🔥Ellen white is not a prophet 🔥she was only pioneer, was crazy history Ellen didn't know how to write. Is 😧
I am a 6 month year old Christian, I started going to the SDA church for socialising and started doing 1 on 1 lessons and man... I was so confused because I read the bible for straight 4 months before going to any church and now I was being taught to stop being lead by the spirit, and instead continue with the flesh. "The 10 commandments you still have to obey", and I gave into a bit and tried to believe but I would get physically sick, leading me to seek the truth even deeper. And glory to God it lead me to understand the gospel even better (intellectually), I was following it spiritually just fine until EGW. It was bound to happen, how else do we learn to spiritual discern false teachings.
Next time, if there is a next time. Allow some SDA Pastors who believe in Leviticus 16 in context of The Investigative Judgment to discuss the Gospel🙏🏾
4 - 3 - 24
The ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the SDA MASONIC Probation Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment
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1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Why is the SDA's "progression" into truth always finding out the Protestants and Catholics were always right? That is amazing that they are finally reaching truth. So perhaps in a couple generation, they'll move past all their heterodoxy.
As true Christian’s. We have to pray for one another ☝️❤️☝️✝️☝️🕊️
I have watched this twice. It baffles me how 3 adventist "pastors" have Biblical truth put right in front of thier faces, and still cling to demonic adventist doctrine. None of the 3 even know what they believe. And they stick with adventism because its what they know. Satan has his hold. Myles, you brilliantly and straightforwardly presented these men with what they need to see the truth in God. I pray that at some point that truth does what the truth is meant to do.
These pastors placed their cognitive dissonance on full display.
Great Job Miles!
My the LORD call these men out of darkness
Miles pls do a short on that Gospel presentation you gave at the end! AWESOME
so basically Adventists do not believe what Adventists teached earlier. Nice
Jesus never taught the sanctuary doctrine. Ellen was smarter than Jesus.
Wow, theze guys "hear" what Myles is saying about the gospel and atonement but they ain't listening
That’s because you don’t realized this is planned…. Those guys aren’t Adventist. They basically agree with everything, also if u click on their RUclips page you just realize it’s a troll Adventist page with if you look on the shorts as well as…. Videos of What is adventism
It’s only about asking Myles his questions to prove his point on Adventism…. None of them actually gave definitions to any of the answers asked. They agree with what Myles says lol
Adventist can't, at the same time, have both a true and a false gospel.
Shame the adventist trio wasn't Doug Batchelor, Walter Veith and Dwayne Lemon. 3 of the most patronising adventist ministers on you-tube. Those 3 know who to pick their fights with.
Thank goodness it wasn't them, we have listen to more than enough SDA hogwash from these 3 parrots for one day.
Maybe the Adventist church has more acceptance now. In my day disagreeing on things White promulgated got one removed from teaching any class.
They guy in the bottom middle I don’t understand at all. He isn’t even an Adventist in beliefs😂 He literally admitted he probably wouldn’t stay an Adventist if it wasn’t for being grown up into it.
Can’t u realize that it’s planned it’s balatantly obvious…… look how they relay to let Miles take up the rest… it’s advance psychology
Seems we nd 2 abide by d guidance of D Holy Spirit, as God is willing 2 give 2 those who r willing 2, above all else, "obey Him." So if our heart is willing 2 choose wisely w all understanding/discretion as D Lord would give w knowledge of d prayerful study of His Word, then we don't confuse ourselves or others. Let's seek 2 abide by 1Corinthisns 13:4-8 ❤
If they claim SDA are so close to other Protestants then why do SDAs consider themselves the ‘remnant’?
And SDA's consider us "protestant brothers" as apostate.
The true church was and always will be born again believers in JESUS Christ worldwide, its a body, not a denomination or a building or a denominations doctrine . we are the remnant church and we are all over the world, and again its a body and Christ is the head. I am a Christian , a follower of JESUS Christ . i dont let any denomination define me, just the word alone
Miles cites the SDA Church's leadership and doctrine, and they still affirm SDAs are Christians.
2 Corinthians 3 - whenever Moses is read a veil covers the heart.
That veil prevents sdas from seeing the true gospel.
Yeah, Myles, I first listened to your commentary a few days ago and I was grieved about some things that you were saying, such as near the end when you said "the SDA Church is preaching a false gospel around the world and sending millions of people to hell. Then you said that the SDA Church is not Christian. So, I'm just trying to understand a little more about your Christian beliefs. You mentioned that , since you left the SDA Church, you've joined the Presbyterian Church. So let me ask you a few questions. (1) What authority do you use for your beliefs ? From what I heard a few days ago, when you attacked SDA beliefs on Sabbath keeping , you can't be using the Bible as your authority for your faith. Seventh day Sabbath observance is clearly a doctrine that is followed throughout the Scriptures by God's people. In the book of Acts , we see that, many years after the ascension of Christ, the Jewish Christians, the Gentile Christians , and the Apostles were still observing the Lord's Sabbath day. We can see this in Acts 13:14, 42,44 , Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, and Acts 18:4. You referred to the SDA Church as a reform movement instead of an extension of the first century Christian Church. I would tell you just the opposite, however, because it's you who are following the traditions of men by observing Sunday rather than God's holy Sabbath. My first question is this ? Why do you not follow God's commandment? ? I have a comment to share with you which was made by the PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: "Until, therefore , it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath " ---T. C . Blake, D. D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474, 475. Is this a double- speak by your Church or has your church just evolved into something all together different ? How can you justify just tossing out one of God's commandments but following the others ? Another question I have is this (2) Is your Church fulfilling the Great Commission to go into all the world and make disciples of all nations ? The SDA Church is in every nation where it is legal to be there; and we are also going into the others through the air waves and via satellite. We are following all of the counsel of Scriptures, as a Church. And , yes, Myles we are the remnant Church as defined in Rev 12:17( the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.) Rev 19:10 says" the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." So, let me ask you "What other Church is keeping all of God's commandments and has the prophetic gift in their Church ? Please understand that I in no way want to elevate myself or my church above those , in other churches , who are following all of the light that they have. It's the leaders of these churches that I'm calling out. They all profess to be Christian but do not obey God. And , by the way, obedience to God is an important part in our salvation, in receiving the Holy Spirit, and in having our prayers answered. Heb 5:9 says " And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him. " Acts 5:32 says " And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who OBEY Him"
Then, in 1John 3:22, we read "And whatever we ask , we receive from Him because WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and do those things that are pleasing in His sight." And I know that there are many who believe that, because they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God and keep all of His commandments; but this is not what the holy scriptures teach . So, I need to go now but I have much more to say later. In closing , I just want to say that I'm trying to follow all of the light that I have; and after spending about 20 years each in the Baptist and the Catholic Church, I'm so thankful that God led me to the SDA Church. There are just so many things I love about our church; but I never even heard of it before I was already in my early 40's.
Awesome video I like it❤
First of all obedience is not legalism. Legalism is legalism. And let’s be honest, the only reason you all are against the 10 commandments is because you can’t bring yourself to accept God’s 7th day Sabbath. Tradition got such a strong hold on you that you’d rather throw out God’s moral law than to accept the 7th day Sabbath. The only Sabbath the Bible knows. From Genesis 2:1-3 to the last book of the Bible
No where in scripture to my knowledge that we bind to a sect, religion & obey anyone but our saviour.
Unfettered Christian - free from the restraints of a religious doctrine but bound to Faith. 🕊️
“Reformed” is just a Calvinist code word. They aren’t actually reformed, they’re just Augustinian
@@narrowistheway77 only an ignoramus would say this. Reformed refers to an entire system of theology. Not all Calvinists are Reformed. Which means the way you are using the terms to try and make your point proves you don’t even understand the terms you are utilizing.
@@answeringadventismignoramous is a synonym for a fool. Is that how a Christian is instructed to behave? My Jesus told us to call no man a fool. You should apologize if you’re truly my brother in Christ.
There’s nothing ignorant or foolish about pointing out that Calvinism is a misrepresentation of GOD’s own character and that it is guilty of the exact same out of context misrepresentations of passages throughout the Bible without using greater context that the SDA’s use to justify their doctrines.
Does it even occur to you that if you had read my statement more carefully you’d have realized I actually did affirm that there are reformed people who are not Calvinist? The statement “They aren’t actually reformed” implies pretty clearly that there are reformed Churches that aren’t Calvinist. Meanwhile Calvinist Churches are the exact Churches that use the word “Reformed” as their special banner word to define themselves. So I’m in no way, shape, or form ignorant to what I’m claiming.
Did it also occur to you that you immediately resorted to using Ad-Hominem and Ad-Libbing in order to defend your own case which is a lack of defense altogether? By pointing your fingers of intellectual inferiority at me you’ve incidentally revealed your own intellectual inferiority at the exact same time. You are indeed a Calvinist member of the PCA, and my original comment was directed at your own ignorance of what being “reformed” would truly mean because you are indeed guilty of misusing what that term ought to imply. Truly reforming would be back to the Bible alone, not back to the Bible plus a select few early Church Bishops who themselves held heretical beliefs that your Church movement has adopted. Primary among those early Church Bishops is indeed Augustine and with him came your Augustinian predestination and soteriological heresies. Those things are indeed absolutely heresy according to scripture in full context, and whether or not they’re damnable heresy depends entirely upon how far each individual takes them, because taking those beliefs too far creates a totally different god who is not GOD!
There’s nothing “reformed” about Calvinism, it just goes back to Augustinian philosophy rather than a truly Biblical theology/soteriology. You clearly got upset about having your own movement’s faults pointed out for you, but that’s exactly what you’re doing with the SDA’s. You should have thicker skin and a more humble heart if you want to be having these sorts of debates with others about their faults. For the record I agree with condemning Seventh Day Adventism too, but I find some of your own statements occasionally reveal that you went from one heresy to another. Do I think you’re not saved though? Actually no, I believe you drank the milk before you started eating spoiled meat and so you’re my brother either way.
GOD Bless! ❤️
I love this very calm dialogue between the 3.
I'm Catholic and have learned alot from the conversation. Myles is doing great. Thanks
Jesus did a send into hell after he rose from his tomb. He went down to preach to the people who had not heard the gospel
He Descended into Sheol at His death and rescued the captives. Those in Abraham's Bosom were taken into Heaven because they had believed in the coming Messiah. 🕊️
It’s time for the new covenant to be accepted in the Adventist church. We can focus on the second coming and the gospel and that’s it.
This is so frustrating. Miles you held it down. “I fear lest somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ”
Many of these supposed “branches of Christianity” (rightly identified as different trees with different roots) are so complex for the purpose of covering tracks and cloaking the actual spirit behind the system that the true gospel, that Christ is perfectly sufficient for salvation, in and of Himself, is lost. Good work, bro. Amen.
The little horn in the book of révélation might be the sda chuch...I don't think it's the usa...funny how they can point the finger at other religion, but they are intact and without blemish..food for thought..
The little horn in Daniel is not the SDA church, as the beast that the horn comes from concerns the Roman empire. This is the kind of thing that happens when ppl try to guess or insert their own interpretations into scripture instead of allowing it to speak for itself.
Listening to these fellows speak keeps bringing a verse to mind.
Acts 26:28-29 KJV
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. [29] And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
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I pray for those 3 and also for those that what this that a seed has been planted.
The essential question not addressed: does the bible, God's revealed word state...teach that what you believe can save you or damn you? If it does, then how is man a sinner reconciled or saved according to God's word? Then, all sects religion should be compared and contrasted according to God's word. And here are the differences in jw, sda, rcc, mormans, pca, evangelicals, islam, hindu, Buddhism, wicca, etc ...salvific beliefs are universal, catholic, not on who are the two witnesses...etc.
You have to dump the investigative judgment or you do not understand the true gospel
I enjoyed this discussion very much. However, I do believe it would be much more productive if Miles had more of an in depth discussion with one minister at a time. The 3 ministers seem to talk over each other and Miles is not able to go deeper with the discussion.
There's enough excuse 2 find fault if you want to, since God will not use force in any way. He wants us 2 love, honor, n glorify Him. Salvation is very "personal," so we nd 2 focus on humility, repentance, with prayerful study, while we ask 4 D Holy Spirit's inspiration. Pray
I don't know who these 3 so-called SDA pastors are, but they are the poorest selection of representatives especially this guy on the left of the screen, graduate of Andrews University, which is an institution infiltrated by Jesuits, replete with Spiritual Formation; exercises TOTALLY anathema to Seventh-day Adventisim. Were these guys picked by Myles?
These guys / so-CALLED pastors have no back-bone / knowledge to defend TRUE Seventh-day Adventisim. What are the two guys on the side: bookends?
Myles, why don't you debate Elder Dennis Priebe , Dr.Conrad Vine, Dr. Olatunji, Professor /Pastor Walter J.Veith , Stephen Bohr, Pastor Ron Kelly,etc.?(i'm not crazy about Doug Batchelor)
I also do not think it fair that you, Myles quote from "Questions On Doctrine", because it is rejected because it was an attempt of the GConference to be considered similar to other so-called Protestant churches, and not be called a Cult by Walter Martin. Again, COMPROMISE.
If these 3 guys are Seventh-day Adventists, then we're in the sad state of affairs, but the Bible describes the last CHURCH as Laodecia-lukewarm, and Sister Ellen White affirms this also.
I DON'T think the Bible ,nor the Spirit of Prophecy lies.
Myles , you put up a wall re: anything Ellen White. Let the writings of Sister White speak for themselves. Even her detractors admitted, " she was a truly Godly woman."
No Great Controversy between Christ and Satan?! Read Revelation 12:7-17.
Does the book, The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, not TOTALLY unmask Satan and is backed by History?
As for the Investigative Judgment: may i humbly suggest that you read Psalm 77. Read verse 13:
"Thy way, O God,is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?"
To the 3 so-called SDA pastors. Return to your Bibles and Spirit of Prophecy and do NOT try so hard to AGREE with Myles/ANYONE else or appease him . This is what led to the likes of Walter Martin, Dr. Rhea(the White Lie author), Des Ford calling us a cult... WHAT DO WE CARE?! Jesus said, " if they hated me, they will hate you also."
What an honor to be persecuted for Jesus's sake! We truly thank you Myles.
Myles is bent on wasting his time on trying to tear down Seventh-day Adventisim. But we are NOT Babylon, and Myles KNOWS that.
Adventisim is the ONLY MESSAGE, the Everlasting Gospel that Roman Catholicism fears because we expose the TRUTH about her and her daughters , Apostate Protestantism aka "the False Prophet " of which Myles has become a devotee.All we can do for Myles is pray for him, to be Presbyterian is no different than Roman Catholicism.
The only one i could agree with was Sean & as a church, i too would not change Seventh-day Adventisim . The Sanctuary Doctrine: for is is none other than the TRUE plan of SALVATION.
Myles REALLY: do you think you can committ murder,
steal,
commit adultery,
without ther being any consequences since you are saved once and for all?
"To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this it is because there is no light in them.
- Isaiah 8:20
Oh, that " once saved always saved " because IF, that is true, question: THEN WHY DID JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS?
Paul says in Romans 6:1-3:" What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2)God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3)Know ye not , that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?"
ADVENTISIM WILL NOT COMPROMISE. NO COMPROMISE AT ALL.
If Myles understood Daniel and Revelation, in essence: BIBLICAL PROPHESY then he would understand the Investigative Judgment.
Myles is bent on playing devil's advocate and has lost his way he would understand Daniel 8:14, because that is the kind of God we serve, Someone who wants to collect evidence ergo"investigation " to clear even His name because Satan falsely accused Him before an entire universe. Secondly, sin and the one in whom it was found must be done away with.
Myles will soon learn that Satan KNOWS more Bible than and him.
Without a doubt I know they are Jesuits Miles Ministry is solely focused on debunking adventism as I scrolled through all his content he barely even speaks Bible or have Bible study classes or anything of the sort and his comments are mysteriously one sided in commentary throughout
This definitely is planned
The amount of times the guy on the right tried to end the conversation and FAILED was hilarious to watch lol
I actually enjoyed this talk