Seventh-day Adventism: Cult or Not? - Ask Pastor Tim
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2016
- If you really want to find out what any religious denomination is about, then find out what they think about the Word of God and the atoning work of Jesus Christ. Satan hates those two things and goes after them intensely. In this Ask Pastor Tim, he tests the writings of Ellen G. White with the Bible.
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Don’t listen to men but to the Spirit that leads into all truth…..
many church today are not listening to the holy sprit but man
Well... however ....Pr tim is using scripture to support the argument/topic at hand & don't forget scripture is Holy Spirit inspired & the bible is our truth/light/foundation.
Yes correct.
Where will you find the holy spirit talking to you?
It's in the scriptures and in the spirit of prophecy.
Okay, I'm beginning to understand how these side so-called churches are deceptive. At the same time though, I watch the men of my church and past churches I've attended, who have 'no' works at all in their lives. They attend services, maybe sing or not, but just sit there saying nothing and then doing nothing. They never share, praise, or thank God for anything. What has happened to the men in this culture. No wonder we see women rising up to teach and preach, which isn't biblical. Men have turned from following Jesus to a life of ease and letting women take care of them in every way. The most important thing I seldom see men doing is praying. A husband and father should be leading by praying for and with his wife and children. I would rather live in a tent or cave with a Godly husband than in a palace with great riches with a man who has turned his back on Jesus. 😔
Make your reservations now your afterlife depends on it ! Call Jesus he always answers !He died in his love for us and his gift is timeless !
I liked what you said
"Satan like to use the exact right terminology of the Bible only gives different meanings of the word"
sunday churches refiused the 3 angels message
Sunday churches are babylon
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel SDA refuse the New Everlasting Covenant.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel Ellen says your Jesus is the devil..( in the investigative judgment) by making him be the sin Bearer )!!!in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph ..(blaspheming the Holy Spirit attributing to the devil what Jesus Christ himself does)!!! 1st Peter 2:24 Hebrews 9:28 then she says the sins are placed on him (forever destroying Isaiah 43 verse 25 )!!she says that's your Jesus!
Like miles does
@MaryMartinez-lm5tv no she does not. And there in lies the problem with your deceit and fake anger. You are twisting words and presenting half truths. No one in a true SDA church ever states that satan is the sin bearer.
“But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:5-6 ESV
Jesus Christ Bore all sins, iniquities, transgressions and injustices on the Cross at Calvary. It’s pure deception to believe otherwise, namely that the enemy of our souls, Satan and the Devil is the bearer of our sins. Be on your guard !
Yes.... So true I agree with all the above...
John 19 vs 30 says.... IT IS FINISHED.
@@robbiebob6267 quote---es.... So true I agree with all the above...
John 19 vs 30 says.... IT IS FINISHED. unquote
So, since ALL the Ten Commandments are "finished". Then I can murder, steal , etc with NO consequences from God, Right????
What was finished were the sacrificial ceremonial laws!!! Given to the JEWS!!!
@mitchellosmer1293.... I am trying with all my strength to be level headed & polite to your response & your outrageous assumptions or whether to take it seriously...is it worthy of a mature intelligent comment by me or anybody else?.... & I have to say it isn't!
@@mitchellosmer1293 the New Everlasting Covenant rewrote most of the Ten. Some magnify others made less.
Example; to look at another in lust is adultry instead of caught in the act by two witnesses. Honor your parents will do you well insted of stone the child who dishonors his parents and hag them from a tree to make an example of them. Sin now is not a conviction but YHWH will chasten you in this life, even unto death if necessary.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:17 NKJV
Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical .
@@williamstarr2346 Completely wrong. Show me anywhere in their 27 Fundamental beliefs where it says this. Or listen to Pastor Mark Finley or Doug Batchelor you will never here what you said.
@@stevendavis6556 yeah but when you're baptized .(you're saying that the investigative judgment is part of your belief system)!!!!!!( Ellen says the devil is Jesus Christ in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph of the investigative judgment )!!!!!that destroys everything!
@@williamstarr2346 You are absolutely wrong. Check your facts before pointing fingers. SDA believe salvation is by grace and grace alone in Jesus. That does not mean we should not obey His commandments. Stop spreading lies
@@williamstarr2346 quote---Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical . unquote
Quote that from their doctrines and NOT your opinion!!!
Why do they think Ellen white is the voice of prophecy, when the Bible teaches Jesus is the voice of prophecy.
explain
@@peppernbo read revalations 19 and John 1. Ellen is not in the Bible.
@@jameskerrigan2997 she saying the church has the gift of prophecy
@@peppernbo the Adventist Church says Ellen white is the voice of prophecy. And alien's are from unfallen world's, and a lot of other dangerous lies. Glad I'm out of the country club cult.
Hungry for souls? ““ *Go* therefore and *make* disciples of all the nations, *baptizing* them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching* them to observe all things that *I have commanded you;* and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.”
Matthew 28:19-20
Yeah but you got to make sure they're not believing in 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins
Cults are arrogant and think that they are the only ones who can be saved. They all have unique beliefs about JESUS that no one else has.
● JESUS was created.
● JESUS is an archangel.
● JESUS was only human and was chosen to be the Messiah.
● JESUS is his own FATHER or THE FATHER is really JESUS.
● JESUS was a prophet and not the savior.
● We are equal to JESUS.
● The Trinity is pagan.
Cults may not recognize that all things were created through JESUS and without Him nothing exists (John 1 : 1 through 5 and Colossians 1 : 16). Some do accep it but it is their beliefs about who JESUS is that makes them a cult.
Cults will argue that they have the correct interpretation of the sceiptures even though no one has ever taught what they do.
Cults will add and subtract from the scriptures.
It is finished, is exactly what Jesus said at the cross.
He also said "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (John 17:4, KJV)"
- Precisely _what_ was finished? That is the question. And to say Jesus work is completed is not Biblical. He is still at work in the Heavenly Sanctuary as a High Priest this very moment.
@@treefellonya My bible says HE is seated on HIS throne to the Right of the FATHER. Your witch says HE is in the Holy place with a mop and a bucket of blood. The Hevenly scantuary was never cast down, trodden under foot. The earthly one was and the Maccabees cleansed the scantuary of the false high priest Dec. 9th 168 bc exactly 2300 days after tit was poluted. Scripture, fulfillment and history says your 1844 nonsense was a made up lie.
@@treefellonya what's Jesus doing in heaven, right now for you right now.??.Randy. mark S
@@jimbob1644 Read Hebrews, it tells you right there.
@@treefellonya it says he went to the father and sat down!!( after he presented himself.).. until he makes you his footstool Psalms 110! Hebrews 7 says there's a changing of the law.) He doesn't practice levite law Anymore. But (that's about the true Jesus).. your Jesus is not the true Jesus you have the 1844 levite Jesus )that puts the sins on the back of the( devil.) Making Jesus Christ be the Devil himself in Leviticus 16:10 blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12: 31+32! You see that's the issue. There is no forgiveness ..so now you need to keep the law. ..Which is a death sentence!
Not our prayers but Christ’s prayers-He is ever interceding for us in heaven. He is confessing His own merits in our behalf. And before He returns with our reward he will blot out our ins in His Book or blot is out of them in the day of atonement.
That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God!
@@jimbob1644 no as there is no forgiveness of suns withhout shedding of blood Satan bears his ows responsability for sin
If you make someone drink you are bearing your sin and his sins as when someone makes other sins they are responsible for their sins also
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel it's not in the Bible and Satan is not a human being!!(( give me the verse that says that old or new.))) All as you've said as you have made the devil part of the (atonement) Leviticus 16:10 (is blaspheming Matthew 12: 31 and 32)!!!!!! there is no forgiveness! That's not Jesus in the investigative judgment that is the devil!
@@jimbob1644 quote---That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God! unquote
I SUGGEST you RESEARCH that!!!
Leviticus 16:10
“But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.”
The scapegoat iS PRESENTED to the Lord!!!
He will let the scapegoat go OUTside the city!!!!
-Why is EGW responsible for what GOD SAID!!!!!!!
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@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Leviticus 16:10
“But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.”
-----This investigative judgment determines who of the myriads sleeping in the dust of the earth are worthy of a part in the first resurrection, and who of its living multitudes are worthy of translation (1 Peter 4:17, 18; Daniel 7:9, 10; Revelation 14:6, 7; Luke 20:35).
SO, according to you--it is Satan that decides who goes to heaven and who does not!!! THAT MAKES Satan MORE POWERFUL than GOD!!!!
I would like to know which denomination is he from
He or she who is without disease please let me know and I will gladly sign up and join that church..blessings and joy continue increasing unto you and yours in Christ Name Amen Shalome !
It might depending on the power that's preventing the diseases for what you use to get rid of them. My grandmother could do witchcraft and make it go away! She was a church member. Did you want to join her church! And the deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the Beast
No Adventist has ever claimed to be free from disease, so what you're saying is purely sarcasm. Adventists tend to be HEALTHIER than the average person. That's been proven by non-Adventist studies, as well as Adventists.
The Holy Spirit was given to us to lead us into all truths and to Christ the light.
The Word of God is lamp unto my feet and a light on my path Psalm 119:105
The audacity of this man calling me a cult? Yes I take it personal. It's alright to steal, and to kill, and commit adultery and all the other sins which cannot be counted...but for the only one the 4th Commandment seems to be his sore eye...Tell us which of the commandments are you breaking or not breaking?
Subtract 457 from 2300. That's what created what you don't want to deal with. The false Jesus of 1844. It never happened. But it's got you,!
@@jimbob1644 Don’t count the year zero (0) and you get 1844. There’s no year zero in history, but you clearly added it in your calculation.
@@lyonpaque3100 what is Looney Tunes like you always talk about a year zero it doesn't exist
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv There are calculators on-line that calculate time from BC to AD. and all calculators come up with the same date as Adventists. You can't talk your way out of science and how the whole science world calculates time from BC to AD. Go use the calculators and you'll see how wrong you are!
Tell me friend, does keeping all the commandments save you?
And I'm not talking about the "10", for not all the commandments are listed there, especially the two greatest commandments. And as Paul says, you break one commandment, you break all the commandments. No one is justified by keeping the law. One is justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Salvation belongs to our God, not in our works.
Besides that, are you really listening to what he is saying. He is saying that she is teaching things that go expressly in scripture concerning salvation and atonement. Please, listen again.
How do SDA interpret Joel 2 v 28 as regards your Sons and Daughters shall Prophesy, also what about Heb 1 v 1-2. God In time past spoke to the fathers by the prophets , In these last days has spoken to us by his Son , Jesus Christ.
Churches that observe the sabbath and are not seventh day adventist; would you consider them a cult as well?
No I get the feeling to observe or not observe is not the problem here Paster Tim has gone on record saying observing the sabbath is okay but do it unto the lord hope this helps to provide background here
That book told me about the reformation and Christ's atonement
The BOOK desire of ages
Has had a major impact in teaching me about Christ
But of all books I've read: The great controversy has had the most impact.
Let's consider their fruits
Do they take care of the poor?
Do they feed the hungry?
Do they clothe the naked?
I had no place to live after my spirit medium family cast me out and falsely accused me of gossiping and stealing but who received me?
My adventist member who NEVER even knew me!!
My spiritual grandmother just had a heart attack because she was concerned about the lives of the 59 poor people she takes care of including me.
One of my biological grandmother's last words who was an adventist were hymn 133
Oh let me walk with THEE MY LORD
As Enoch walked...with Thee
I too was raised in Spiritualism. When I was 16 I asked for a Bible. When I got through 3/4 of the Bible I did not find what my father was teaching me so I figured it wasn't in the other 1/4 (it wasn't.) I went on a search for a church which taught out of the Bible without manmade traditions added to it. Soon I received Adventist literature and an invitation to a Revelation Seminar. God led me to the Adventist church, giving me the desires of my heart. It's been 40 years and I couldn't be happier.
Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@melodykubiak5850 Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@williamstroud1455 Thank you, and His blessings to you as well. I'm finding it interesting how much yelling is going on from anti-Adventists while the Adventists are calmly explaining.
11:44
The devil used the scripture in the opposite side to day, as he had used against eve and Adam from the beginning in the garden of Eden, thanks you brother Jim for well define clearing the scripture. .
Don't worry about it...
He sounds right! But there's one problem. He rejects catholism. Pope Damasus 1 presided over the Council of Rome in 382 AD over seeing Jerome. So why should any of them trust scripture? Does he not see the contradiction in his talk? The Catholics gave him the bible. And Jesus said hell would not over take the Church...
Everybody who listens to anybody who criticicizes another believer, or church, should always keep in mind that Jesus was also criticize by His people, and even today His own people, as a nation, still teach that Jesus was an imposter. Now why did that happen, and is still happening today? Also keep in mind that those who challenged Jesus the most were the leaders/teachers of Israel. Why? I have been around many people of different denominations, and only those who have humbly studied the Bible and allow the Bible to interpret itself arrive to conclusions the SDA church has on the Sabbath, and a few other teachings. My own Pentecostal grandmother, who read the Bible daily, told me before passing away, that she was keeping the Sabbath alone in her house the best she understood, because she came to realize that the Lord's Day was actually the 7th day of the week.
I myself have had to carefully reconsider what I believe because of so many negative things others say about this denomination, including by former SDA's. And I usually find the same problems. The attacks are mostly on Ellen White. Why, because good contextual study of the word proves that the SDA church does indeed have a solid foundation, thus making it hard to refute. So attacks are redirected to the woman whom God raised during a time Satan also raised his false prophets like Joseph Smith. Satan did the same during the days of Martin Luther the reformer, and raised Ignatius of Loyol to counterattack the Protestant reformation.
Just like many have wrested bible scriptures to mean something else than its true meaning, many have done this with Ellen Whites writings. And it worst when people try to debunk her with wrested Scriptures.
On U Tube " Christian Scholars Forum" basically made up of 5 Ex graduates of Theology at SDA Universities NOW do not believe any of the unique and somewhat unusual doctrines of the SDA Church.
These 5 as well as their many Guests, mostly ex SDA can prove conclusively IMO from Scripture and Church History that EGW was a false Prophet and false teacher and a consistent small time fraudster.
The Scholarship of this Forum is Excellent 👌👍
@@alongcamejones309 sorry my friend, it was scholors that demanded for Jesus to be crucified. It was scholors who opposed the protestant movement. Education means nothing unless its consecrated to God. Without that consecration we just become educated fools.
@Mencari Kebenaran Well that is precisely what I have been saying. EGW has been weighed in the Balance and has been found wanting.
@Mencari Kebenaran So that is why it is easy to say that EGW was a false Prophet. Easy as falling off a log bec it's 100% true.
Yeah but nobody justifies the devil and Ellen White. Don't take scripture out of context!!
See: Galatians 1:6-10
First of all. What denomination is Pastor Tim?
Tim is non-denominational, but would be considered reformed Baptist. He deals with that question in this clip: ruclips.net/video/DRhP7TfU-CE/видео.html
Ellen G. White in the book Great Controversy Chapter 3 claimed that suddenly somewhere long before 325AD, the Catholic Church and THE POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ and no one in the entire known world protested. This was already occurring in 53AD when the Apostle Paul wrote 2ThessaIonians 2 while at the same time the Apostle Paul as calling the Pope "Cephas" meaning Rock. And, prior to that Christ named Him "Rock" from the moment Christ called him and so did every other Apostle who spoke the Aramaic language, as Christ and most of Judea at the time. Only those who *DISOBEYED the Church could be saved* in EGW's teaching.
6. Ellen G. White in writing claimed *by the time of Constantine, AND THE POPE, and the entire known world of Christianity had faIlen away to join forces with the Pope and that was *"The Great Falling Away" prophesied in 2Thess. 2:4 in 325AD* , While EGW says at the same time teaching the Papacy *didn't BEGIN until 538AD 217 years later.* She writes: "THE GREAT APOSTATE *HAD SUCCEEDED* in exalting himself “above all that is called God, or that is worshiped.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4. . GC 53.3 Ellen G. White can't even give you his name and neither can 99.99% of the Adventists, because they are lying!
*It is there, that Ellen G. White officially declares 2Thess 2:4 FULFILLED!* When she and the Adventist Church says there wasn't even a PAPACY until 538AD!!!
EGW Continues speaking of the time of Constantine in 321AD less than 200 years after Christ: *"THE GREAT APOSTATE HAD SUCCEEDED* (GC 53.3) (already) in exalting himself “above all that is called God, or that is worshiped.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4. He (the Pope) had dared to change the only precept of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living God.* (Great Controversy Chapter 3. (53.4) implicitly meaning that no man could come to true and living God, through Christ alone but only be by Sabbath keeping alone* In other words, No man comes to the Father except by the Sabbath. Ellen G. White officially declared 2Thess 2:4 FULFILLED IN 321 AD!
Adventists don't try to appear as mainstream. They call themselves a peculiar people
Peculiar isn't the best word for them. they're idiots.... that sounds harsh.. but those are the facts.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Mary!!!!!! Remember....''the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.'' Galatians 5:22-23
@@michaelreyes8182 you can grandstand behind that statement if you want.. because that makes you appear like you're more righteous than others ..Jesus called those Pharisees that denied the truth of who he was!!! their father was the devil !!!are you going to say that same thing to Jesus!! you see the word idiot actually has a definition! that fits people that choose not to believe truth,( or can't ,)but some people like to present themselves as nicer than God,, I only speak truth as it's written, (and word definitions),,,( you see (an idiot would set himself up to destroy himself )))!!!that is what the cult of SDA is about ...but they do it without realizing it !!and the leaders of the cult know this truth .! Saw a video (showing those people in that knowledge)!!! By Dale ratzlaff one of their pastors for 13 years .until he realized he did not have salvation !!!! Also videos by colleen Tinker.. it might be wise for you to look at them ...It's out there for you to see ..So they themselves admit it's about money!! but they like to keep all the rest of them in that (word )that I used.. but a wise person would see it!!! ... but you told me that you'd get back with me on the regular conversation we were having.. in the beginning .now I realize there is still room for that !to take place! but you did not !!! now what's the difference !you have to be honest ..I thought that was one of the Commandments,,, you guys hung onto! see that's what I'm showing you here ! I stand behind the word definitions that I use! that's called responsibility,, and honesty! if I tell somebody I'm going to do something, unless, some major catastrophe thing happens, I'm going to do it,. I'm not a woke person. People that truly know me know exactly where my heart is!!! as far as Love Goes !!they also know that I will tell them the truth no matter what kind of words I need to use!!( providing they're not Wicked!!! and that brings respect from anyone that I know,,, because they know I'm not going to lie to them, and I won't candy coat stuff! Merriam-Webster's Dictionary definition... For an idiot..... is a silly or foolish person... when someone believes a cult that is designed to destroy them... that is a silly foolish person.. very foolish!!!!.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
Okay I am here. Say what you need to say.
@@justamessenger4577 okay you need to give me an answer before we start because that was the last question I asked you on the other stream. what is B.C.1. represent. That year on the Jewish calendar is 3760. counting back from 457 B.C... what does the number match to in B.C..1. Which is 3760 and A.D.1 is 3761 the starting point is Ezra 7:9 which is the first day of the first month establish for the Jews .as New (Year's Day in Exodus 12 )which is March or April. Counting backwards from 457 what is a.d .1 represent? When we get done with this. I'll show you what the 2300 days represent.? If you tell me the truth.
My brother who's living with us is a SDA. He's constantly trying to force his beliefs down our throats. My husband and I are true ordinary religious Christians and find the situation so difficult that we now asked him to look for another place to live ❤
Are you sure that part of it might have been that you were under conviction?
Best wishes on your relationship going forward.
The Bible supports your decision.
You are not to allow a cult member to come into your home, much less live there.
A little yeast leavens the whole bread.
@@treefellonyaconviction that adventism is false ?
@@s_hrndz0119 That would be impossible, since it is the only Church on Earth that has the whole truth. If you are being told to stay away from Adventist truth, its either that you do not want to give up your rebellion, or Satan is steering you to another path.
@@treefellonyaAh really? Adventism was officially founded in 1863, not even 200 years ago. So please do tell sir if the SDA Church is the only church on earth that has the whole truth who had the “truth” for over 1,800 years before them ??
Matthew 13:52, 53 "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
Old and new things...like the law of God, the old and new testaments. Blessings as you study God's Word.
Not able to tell if you are opposed or for this video.
@@Musicmadedifferent To be honest, I have not viewed it. If it's more anti-Sabbath, anti-Adventism video, I don't feel like wasting my time. I only want to say the Bible teaches that the commandments stand, including the 4th. If I'm wrong please show me where from scripture.
@@williamstroud1455 I did
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Did what?
@@williamstroud1455 I showed you from scripture ..that you can't exist.. can't happen.
without the 457 to 1844 equation it doesn't happen.
What do you think U will not have tendency to commit sin again think if you criticize the issue of atonement Jesus Christ paid the principal sin that we may condemnation to die forever What about daily sin are You perfect to say that?
You're making no sense.
Jeffrey you got understand who sda Jesus is.. he's not of Hebrews 7. he is the levite Jesus your false prophet Ellen White created from Daniel 8:14 .that does not forgive sins stole the cross from the true Jesus of Hebrews chapter 7.. they have no salvation. nor can they ever have.
All you said is you're going to be perfect.. at some point in time.. and you're not because you have no Jesus to save you!!!. That 1844 Jesus doesn't forgive sins!!!.. and he doesn't exist.!! Subtract 457 from 2300.. that's your true Prophet!! Right?
What denomination does this pastor belongs to ? Can i get an answer please
Paul says we should not be affiliated with denominations ..just be Christian!
Where doe he said that?
@@jesuscovarrubias1278 1st Corinthians 1:10 through 13+
@5:40....if you put catholics in the category of a cult, then why do you follow them in worshiping on a false day? an act that they claim as their "Mark" on power to change the bible, the commandments, and yet the protestant who claims sola scriptura, the bible only, follow the holy catholic church. look up what they and other denominations say about the sabbath. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments." in John 1 and several times in Paul's writings tells us that everything we have or was created came thru Him. in essence then, it was Jesus on sinai who gave the 10 commandments. and God Himself says what my lips utter i will not change.
Your issue is not a Sabbath keeping in the first place.... your issue is if you have an Ellen White Jesus... you don't have a Jesus any better than the Pope ...or Jehovah's Witnesses. or Mormons. because your Jesus is a Levite Jesus... created from Daniel 8:14. that goes from the outer Court to the inner Court 1844 inputs the sins of the people on the back of the (devil ) which makes the (devil the sin bear) and not Jesus Christ of Hebrews chapter 7 ... from the tribe of( Judah) and not from the tribe of( Levi) which is what that Jesus would have to be .(..that Jesus doesn't exist..)! you have no salvation.!!!.
You are so wrong and lost in this statement.
The 4th commandment, the commandment that says "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath dayand hallowed it." Wow! It's the longest of the 10 commandments. You see by whose authority the commandments are given, all in this commandment. The Lord thy God, who made heaven and earth and the sea and all that is in them. The Creator. Oh, that's right, according to you we don't need to keep the commandments. Let's see...Jesus kept them for us so we don't have to. We don't have to keep the Sabbath because He did it for us. Oh, and He had no other gods before the Father so we don't have to keep that one. That was a Jewish thing, eh? Only the Jews needed to keep the commandments. And what about not worshipping idols. Well Jesus didn’t worship idols so we don’t have to not worship them. I guess that means we can worship them, according to, guess who, you again. Jesus did not take the name of the Lord in vain so we don’t have to not do that, therefore, we can. According to you. So If we go according to you, which we do not, we don’t need to keep the commandments since Jesus did that for us. We can dishonor our elders, murder, commit adultery, lie, steal and covet because, hey, Jesus kept the commandments for us so we don’t have to. Do you see how wrong it is to think we are not obliged to keep the 10 commandments. That’s 10, not 9. The roman catholic church claims to have changed the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week, a day you honor, following catholic tradition, but if you read your Bible you will find no authority for such a change. Speaking of the change from the 7th day Sabbath to Sunday as the day of worship, the catholic church says “Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923). There you have it from the horse’s mouth. Not only the admission that Sunday observance is their “mark” but also additional blasphemous statement saying their “authority” is above the Bible. Blessings to all as you study God’s Word.
You could write all the pages you want.... Here's the Clincher is your Jesus the Ellen White Jesus,( of Daniel 8:14) ???if it is. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible.. until you get this solved you can preach all you want ,,and you're still not saved..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Daniel 8:14 doesn't mention Jesus. It talks about the cleansing of the sanctuary, the "day of atonement" spoken of in Leviticus 16. The high priest performed the ceremony on that day. Who is our high priest? According to Hebrews chapter 4, Jesus is. Is that the Jesus you refer to as "Ellen White's Jesus"? That's the Jesus of the Bible. That's my Jesus. Is there another? I go by what the Bible teaches and I will let the God of the Bible decide whether I'm saved or not, thank you. And how about you...who is your Jesus? Someone other that the one found in the Bible? Oh, that's dangerous. Stick to the Bible for your own sake. Blessings
@@williamstroud1455 you're not telling the truth... Ellen said that that Jesus. went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. he didn't ......do that.... and if you're believing that Jesus went from the outer Court to the inner Court. the levite law had died at the cross ....Jesus stop all levite law...
at the cross... what you're saying is Jesus didn't stop the Levite. law.( which in that case she was declaring that that would be the annual cleansing)))) so why didn't it happen every year after the crucifixion rather than just an 1844???.??? that's stupid. Even stupider yet is they had the starting date in Nissan one of Ezra chapter 7 which is (Nissan one )which is in (March) they had the ending date in October ))) it doesn't match))) it doesn't matter it never existed in the first place anyway.!!!!. I can prove it ,never happened ...because they lied to you about the 2300 days... she's a false prophet ... that's the lie she told that made you all believe she's telling the truth ...because none of you know what Daniel 8. 8 through 14 is saying.!!! I'll bet everything you have,,, you can't interpret Daniel 8 through 14 and give me the meaning of it.
. Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you to understand it...( and you never have.!!!!..)
so you're saying (that Jesus) that you're speaking of in 1844 was not the Jesus At The Cross)))) (don't be this blind) first of all the sanctuary never got cleansed.. in 1844... why would a dirty Sanctuary be in heaven in the first place you really got to think about this and not be this naive ...because the days the 2300 days never happened...( the 2300 days or the prophecy of Daniel 8 8 through 14 and you don't know what it means))!!! and you never will because you believe that false prophet in the first place!!!! now if you want me to explain this in detail...I can... because I've studied it for 50 years I know what you're doing ...you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth and you don't know who your Jesus is... it took me (3 seconds )to realize (what cult u. Are in )when I first started seeing what you people are saying... Hebrews 4 is exactly right but Hebrews 7 says who he is you might want a particularly Read 11 + 12 but all the rest is just as important and Read Psalms 110 ...notice he's sitting at the right hand of the father he never went from the outer Court to the inner Court... Hebrew s 7 says he's from the tribe of Judah. I was reading again what you wrote is there another sDa claims there is... they have the (Archangel Michael as being there Jesus also ))which is blasphemy as they blaspheme the sanctuary in Daniel 8.. also. when they claimed it is now in heaven..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv So Mary, first…do you know a guy named Jimbob? Anyhow, you start off by saying I’m “not telling the truth”. There is a name for that. Are you calling me a liar? You are. How do you know I’m lying? If I say something that is incorrect, but I believe it to be true, then I am not lying. Lying is saying something you know to be false in an attempt to deceive someone. Do you have the power to read my mind and know for sure that I’m lying? Or could I be saying what I believe to be true, in which case it’s not lying. Whatever. Next, what are you talking about, Jesus moving from the outer court to the inner court? Who ever said anything like that? Not me, not Ellen White. Next, yes the Levitical/ ceremonial law ended at the cross and Jesus, from the tribe of Judah is our high priest in the heavenly sanctuary as stated in Hebrews chapter 4. The day of atonement hasn’t occurred every year because, the Lamb of God is not sacrificed every year. He was sacrificed once for all. I understand that after believing one thing for 50 years, that when someone says something different it’s hard to let go. It’s not what I say, it’s not what Ellen White says, it’s what the Bible says. If you have a problem with that I suggest you bring it up with God. Blessings. More later, I gotta go.
SO YOU ARE WILLIAM STROUD. SOME FELLOW KEEPS SAYING I AM YOU. LOL. KEEP THE FAITH WILLIAM, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY GNASH UPON YOU WITH THEIR TEETH.
Do seminaries only use the Bible for instruction, or do they use the works of many Christian authors? I looked up his sources about SDA beliefs and Pastor Tim left out 9 of the 10 Denials, which paints a much less nefarious picture than he does.
Ellen White in the investigative judgment, maranatha page 251. Says the devil is the sin Bearer )making Jesus be the the devil)!!!! and the sins are never blotted i out!!!! there placed on the back of the devil!. Destroying Isaiah verse 43 verse 25. And 1st Peter 2:24. Breaking the first first commandment because that's not God! They have nothing!
I was raised as a catholic but now God has revealed to me his truth word from
Billy Graham , John McArthur, Dr Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah , David Wilkerson. Tiff Shuttlesworth. What's. The differences between your teachings And them.
SdA does not have the Jesus Hebrews 7. they have a demonic Jesus created in 1844. That puts them under the law! Most of them don't even know it!
All free masons
This a great teaching to debunk any false doctrine.
There wasn't a single Bible teaching or scriptural reasoning done here, it's all this man's feelings. Listen again, it's all an appeal to prejudice.
Adventist for Jesus✝️
We don’t worship any human.
We worship Jesus Christ and follow the Life and Teaching of Jesus Christ✝️❤
You know nothing about Seventh- day Adventist or Revelation of Jesus Christ
Jesus went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath… not Sun 🌞 day.
Go and read the Bible and follow Jesus Christ🕺🏻
Happy Sabbath Shalom🙏✝️🇮🇳
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Actually you do not !!you're serving Michael the archangel! which is not Jesus Christ. )Also the 1844 Jesus) that (does not forgive sins.)!! Just subtract 457 from 2300! There's your true prophet Ellen!! Right! Bible says a true prophet will never lie!
Ex adventists Say exactly the same things as this man. They were raised inside and taught the whole doctrine...and they Say the same things.
And how are we to know if what you say Pastor Tim, is not from the devil trying to demonize Adventism. Jeremiah 17:9. Does that include your heart sir or just the lost ones?
Why do the statements to you always get erased tell me that.
@@JamieElison How do I know? Am I in charge of the internet? Im here now. Lay it on me.
@@williamstroud1455 457 B.C. Is 3303 on the Jewish the year 1843 is the year 5603. When you subtract. 3303 from 5603.. what's your answer ? Got to remember we're dealing with the ninth commandment here.
What's taking you so long to answer the question?
@@JamieElison Having trouble following you line of thinking here Jamie. OK, 6503 - 3303 = 2300. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" if I remember correctly, is the 9th commandment. And what about that? I don't follow you. Yes, God's Word is truth. Seems you are touting the 10 commandments. I believe in them too. What about the 4th, Jamie? Do you believe it as well. This time prophesy stuff can be confusing, I know. It takes some time studying God's Word to understand. Can I help?
Are you saying, once saved , always saved, what about sin, saviour, and judgement, john 16?
Hellen white was inspired by, what spirit? Not the Holy Spirit according to the bible they confess to follow!
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ellen not hellen--lol
I've been getting the impression that those who are trying to prove the 7th-Day Adventist understanding of God's plan of salvation for the fallen human race is unbiblical have not studied the topic with the honesty of purpose of a true disciple of Jesus, the Messiah. And it's a very true and helpful statement to say that we need to be led into the Truth by the Spirit of Truth and should not listen to men, especially if they regard themselves as educated and "qualified".
I like what you say...Im SDA ofcourse...not following any human dead or alive...but JESUS.AMEN
@@gwensampson1336Stop being a hypocrite. All Ur doctrines R based on good old ellen visions
@@charnelallan7159..You yourself should keep your eyes fixed on Jesus Christ the author and the finisher of our faith, to make sure your house is in order, let God and God alone judge the SDA people , if we are against him and his will, he will judge us accordingly..not this preacher or any other so called Christian condemning sda and called them cult..may God have mercy on your soul.. before you picked the speck out of your brother's eye, make sure you take the log out of your eye first.. good day..
@@keletikeleti2095 Ephesians 5:11, “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE them.”
@@brass1951 What happened if you're wrong what then ???
Who are we to judge
What’s the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant. NOTHING IS DIFFERENT EXCEPT WHERE GOD WROT THEM. PERIOD.
There's a big difference.... Ellen in the investigative judgment ..Maranatha. page 251. third paragraph lines seven and eight..( makes the devil be Jesus Christ being a part of the atonement)!!! of Leviticus 16:10 ).. destroying Jesus Christ himself ..( attributing to the devil what the Holy Spirit ,Jesus Christ does)!!!![[ which is blaspheming the holy spirit ]]]Matthew 12: 31 + 32[[ she says that's your Jesus!!!]]
Watching this was like watching paint dry
Greetings! I do normally respond to these presentations. However, I think you have a challenge with interpretation. While you might be sincere in your quest, I would suggest that you have a one-to-one conversation with someone knowledgeable on the teachings of the SDA Church. I can see where you have some subtle misunderstandings.
Watching paint dry on the walls in my opinion far better than what I had to get used to. When our son was born, and for many years I literally had to fight with both of my families who I should visit first, my relatives or my wife's relatives. I should have moved hundreds of miles away when I was first married. That way I'd have an excuse as to why I wouldn't visit anyone.
@@georgewilliams3471 you should answer comments it shows your presentation is a bunch of nonsense maybe you should read E White books before taking her writings out of context all your arguments are easily answered
come out of babylon you reject the 3 angels message this causes the fall of babylon
watching paint dry is ten fold better than reading an antichrist witch like EGW.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel God forbids anyone to read someone presenting a different gospel Galatians 1.
I concur with you 100 %.
This is what exactly happen here in Malawi.
One thing you got wrong. William Miller did the 1844 prediction, not EG White.
Miller never knew what the 2300 days represented in Daniel 8 ...no SDA.person to this day knows what Daniel 8.. is saying ..Miller predicted it would be in 1843 as far as the math equation goes he was right ...if you're just using the math equation... Miller was right.. you can't get in the from 457 BC in the spring of the Year Ezra 7:9 to the fall of 1844 October 22nd which is the LIE of the atonement concept ...(that never happened)!!! but just say it did ...the day of atonement in 1844 was not on the 22nd of October... but let's just say it was... (that's 2301 years).... ellen (said that's the truth)!!!...[ their true prophet] Miller never verified that they believed her...but, because they believe she's a true prophet...( really she's a witch...I know exactly what Daniel 8 is saying!!!! study it for fifty years ...the whole thing is a cult!!!! they created a Jesus that is not the Jesus of Hebrews 7.. in the investigative judgment ..(and said the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which technically makes the devil be Jesus Christ!!!
The 1844 movement was a great awakening too towards the reformation
Seventh day adventist is not a cult, some people are very zealous about this religion, some people can be too strict and can be just plain rude. We believe in the Bible as the only truth. That is why we go to church on the Sabbath. As a whole, we don't believe in condemning people for their believes. I'm sorry to those who had deal with rude and judgmental people in this faith, In the end, there are rude people wherever you go. It should be about having a relationship with God first, then a church.
Well let's see what you actually are saying. This is not rude or judgmental this is what (Ellen White says) your Jesus is!. Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing !when you understand this. In the investigative judgment August 31st. Maranatha page 251. She says the The second goat of Leviticus. Of the old sanctuary process. (Becomes the the devil)!!!!!!! the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which is what (Jesus said he does in 1st Peter chapter 2:24!. ) So now you're Jesus is the devil! (She says the sins are not ever blotted out!) Denying! What God Says in Isaiah 43 verse 25. By claiming the devil is the sin bear !) she also destroys 1st Peter 2:24! She completely destroyed the cross !with a false Jesus! The Jesus she's speaking of in 1844) is a levite Jesus)!!!! and Hebrew 7 says he is from the tribe of Judah )!!!!and not about the law! You can be perfectly happy with the devil in that congregation you're speaking of!!! but that's all you're doing! If you're believing Ellen! (You see she broke the first commandment) and, is asking you to do the same thing! That is your belief system! And your comfortably numb with that!
Thank you for this comparison i wish every adventist would take the time to watch this
I was impressed from you before when you teaching about Sabbath how should we respect Sabbath but now you're use by enemies to demolished the followers of Jesus Christ the belief of Seventh Day Adventist. Ok what you're suggestion? If you are the right Pathway?
The issue really is the SDA Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible don't you understand.??? They have no salvation in the beginning you can preach on here anything you want if you don't have the real Jesus it matters not!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv how so? Keep it simple one paragraph with Bible texts proving Adventists don’t understand Jesus of the Bible.
1) what do Adventists say that misrepresent Jesus of the Bible?
2) What Bible texts do you have to support this?
3) one paragraph and stay on topic
@@lyonpaque3100 it is written in your own documents!!!( the investigative judgment by Ellen White August 31st maranatha page 251).. she makes the devil be Jesus Christ. Saying he is to sin Bearer!! and the sins are never blotted out.!! And it's( not finished at the cross ) you're still being investigated. Destroying 1st Peter 2:24 and Isaiah 43 verse 25! She says the devil is your Jesus !!!by what she wrote! Read it!!!! You have no salvation! You've broke the first commandment! Those are your own writings!!!
A prophesy was made by the prophet Daniel in Dan 9 about the work of the ‘Anointed One’ and its result, spelt out clearly in 9 vs 24, it agrees precisely with what Ps Tim is saying.
The errors of the 7th day Adventist church are designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.
There is no religion/Church today that has not deviated from the truths of the Bible. As for SDA they have even deviated from the words of Ellen White “Christ is not equal to God Almighty”
Amen, brother, #3
Jesus said "I did'nt come to do away with the commandments but to fulfill them .
Correct. But there is a real sabbath. Not Saturday Adventist. The sabbath is not Saturday or Sunday Friday.the sabbath is seventh day after six days of work. Ezakiel 46-1. Isaiah 66-22-23. Psalm 81-1-2.3. So we have new moon day, the first day of the month then 6 days of work then sabbath day.
These new age pastors don’t ever mention that and it makes me wonder why the hell are they reading the Bible in the first place
All's you said is you don't understand Hebrews chapter 4. Jesus said he did fulfill it! At the cross!
I joined the charismatic church last year and it seemed as if I was bound by a spirit of pride and fanaticism when God FREED ME she came to my school with tears of concern for me life... She wept over my then - current condition and prayed with me with tears and gave me food to eat and a belt for my torn trousers
My mother and uncle fell from the sda church but today they smile as they remember the teachings of their Adventist mother. My uncle sang about john one day when he wAs drunk and sang adventist songs, it seems leaving the church brought him many griefs but now he misses home .
There still seems to be residual 1888 problems in the Church. Most people don't have a clue as to what that means, but it is important since so many people still live on one side of 1888 or the other.
charismatic is babylon leave and enter the adventist the only truth
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel How is Adventist the only truth?
@@jonsmith8116 quote----How is Adventist the only truth?--unquote
Who else teaches that the seventh day IS the Sabbath???
@@mitchellosmer1293 why would SDA have the only truth? The Hebrew Roots moments keeps the sabbath.
Pastor Tim can u please talk about the Holy Spirit, how it works and how does one receive it?!
Jesus told Nicodemus what it is. And you would receive it upon recognizing. Your forgiveness at the cross. At the point you have been forgiven and (believe Jesus by faith ) he imparts to you. And you are sealed with the Holy Spirit!
Do read John's gospel. See also Eph. 1:13&14
@@kirkimportante3523 yeah but in the verse 13 it says (those who believed at the moment they believed )!!!if you are SDA ,that verse does not apply to you!
Repent,be baptized in the name of Jesus
I appreciate your review as we make comparisons. to learn the truth. I have a single question: I am often wrong, which leads me to explore the possibility of your misunderstanding of her writings? Not defending her, simply wondering if your interpretation of her writings, could possibly and only possibly be erroneous? Could YOU possibly be wrong? Is there any potential minute, remote, possibility you could be wrong in your interpretation of the bible and or her writings or any other so called prophet?
and if so, that you are absolutely right, why not only stick to the bible and bible only, why even bother exploring and studying anything you don't believe in? Leave her writing alone, and focus on your salvation and lead others to Christ through the correct interpretation of the bible and the bible alone.
why even bother?
I have the same issue w none believers that argue about "biblical errors" - why study the bible to find its errors? its dumb, I read what interests me, I study what leads me to growth, why bother and focus so much on what you don't believe in? Unless you need to defend yourself or defend your product. Hence Business Intelligence, study your competition to over come.
This is what I perceive in your review, and those who criticize others believes, focus on your salvation and lead others to salvation. Disregard those false prophets, if you believe they are false prophets.
Could you possibly be wrong?
Poem of the SDA`s Salvation.
Those who accept the Saviour, with hearts pure and true
Their conversion sincere, their faith shining bright and new
But never should they be taught, to say or to feel
That they are saved, for this is not entirely real
For our journey's not complete, until we reach the end
And though we strive for righteousness, temptations will still bend
So we must always be mindful, and seek His guiding light
To lead us to salvation, and make our wrongs take flight
For we are but human, with weaknesses that we hold
And of ourselves, we cannot save, and never should be bold
To say we're saved, for that's a matter for the Lord
And only He can judge us, and bestow His holy word
So let us always be humble, and trust in His great grace
And walk the path of righteousness, with humility and faith
For only then, when our time comes, shall we hear Him say
"Well done, good and faithful servant, enter into heaven's way.
Find a person who says they are saved and ask them if they are ALSO a good & faithful servant.
@@bobreese4807 my salvation is in the finished work of he cross. His works not mine.
Adventists have a different righteousness mate.
Paul explains this ....
Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
This is the false gospel of adventism and Ellen.
@@bop-ya-good You are a parrot victim of modern antinomian Pharisees , mentioned in 2 PET 3:16. You don't know what the gospel and salvation mean. PAUL?? Read Rom 2:13, 3:31, 5:9 &10, 8:4, 1 Cor 7:19 and Phil 2:12...Tit 3:5 Run for your life from Calvin or evangelical heretics!!!
@@bop-ya-good is that the 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins.... that was created by by the false prophet Ellen White??
@@JamieElison Its the righteousness as described by Paul...Rom 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
They are on probationary salvation.
Coming from an Anglican church background, and I discovered that SDA is a well organized church, I learnt more about the bible. They are not cults.
But the investigative judgment says the devil becomes (Jesus Christ). Did you ever read it?. The prophecies you're being taught here are all lies ,because I know them all. It took me three seconds to realize what they did( with the 2300 days) that belong in Daniel 8... All's you have said is (you never learned anything in the Bible where you were)!! and now you think you are.!( That's how they hook you,!) They don't have the real Jesus!
Well they don't have the Jesus Christ of Hebrews 7 that makes them a cult
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv quote---Well they don't have the Jesus Christ of Hebrews 7 that makes them a cult--unquote
THAT IS AN OPINION with NO facts!!!
CULT:
#1----a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"
#2----a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
Similar:
sect
religious group
denomination
religious order
church
faith
faith community
belief
persuasion
affiliation
movement
group
body
faction
clique
#3----a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
Looks to me that EVERY religion/idealogy FITS every definition!!!
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It's not a cult but currently they are not preaching what they are supposed to teach and preach... Daniel and Revelation and we are God's movement of Revelation 14
Lies
How do I know those churches that are what are called main stream are not cults? They all have a founder. And all teach some of the New Testament, but not all.
Add sda has an investigative judgment Jesus!...becomes the ( Devil himself) you need to read that!
So what is the problem with that? Because they support the writing of elen g white? The sda churche has expounded the bible without the writings of elen g white.many of you say that the holy spirit, the holy spirit but it does not match the testimony on the bible. How can the holyspirit speak differently from the bible? With some of the things you say contrary to the bible.
They don't have the Holy Spirit! nor can they! Don't one thing they teach is the truth! the holy spirit will not lie like that!
THANK YOU!!!!!! You have got the right view of Ellen G White. Thank you sir. She was more subtle than Joseph Smith & Charles T Russell combined!!!!! I hope you debate Doug Bachelor one day.
you ar ein babylon if you reject the 3 angels message then that the mark of the beast will fall on those who reject the truth
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel it's not written to you! it's written to the remnant the elect )..and that's not you!
Thanks Pastor Tim for making it clear even though I already knew.
What makes me sad when they refer to Ellen like she's Jesus himself. Why not rewrite the Bible & replace Jesus name with Ellen.
I don't know where you get that from, but ok. 🤷🏾♂️
Why we don't have to depends on the the first commandments like Jesus said, if we keep the first we keep all the rest of the commandments ...
Matt 5 : 17-20
This is a major scriptural reference that I refer to …
Now one even needs to read any writings of Ellen White to see clearly they most of who call themselves Christian disregard this key text
When are you going to accomplish that
Your observation makes sense to me. Unlike us mere humans, God is truly the source of all truth and knowledge. If we open the Word with awe and humility in prayer, allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us, God will gladly impart to us wisdom and truth.
You should check the historical facts. Though some Adventists called Ellen White a prophetess, she denounced that and said she was only a messenger. There are many great Adventist churches who pay little attention to Ellen White, since they emphasized the Bible first, foremost and last. If one reads Desire of the Ages, they will see nothing contradictory in light of the Bible.
The Bible first does not make a demonic Jesus in 1844 that does not forgive sin! It's written in investigative judgment ..if you don't understand that you might want to read it. No Christian has an SDA Jesus!! And she didn't denounce.anyting! She said if you doubt her you are doubting the word of God ..what else do you think she's saying!?
@@jimbob1644whats unclear to you?She denounced the fact that they called her "prophetess" just to be crystal clear.
@@gwensampson1336 but she also said if you do not believe her you're defying God himself. So she's really (saying God said )!!!!no matter what you say.. I know more about her than you do!. The woman was sent to you (by the Devil Himself) and you don't know it!
@@jimbob1644 We follow the Bible first...anything else is secondary especia
lly if it doesnt correspond with Gods word!I dont want to know anybody else but Jesus sir
Very true, reading everything in the spirit of prophecy has to say will give you a very deep understanding of the great controversy between good and evil. Not every adventist member was told about the spirit of prophecy?
Bless you dear Pastor Tim for opening my full understanding of what all this is about. I thank God for the very great gift He has given you to explain it so very clearly. Thank you too that you know all about the very evil cult of Roman Catholicism out of which I, my late husband and my daughter with which I now live were by the very great grace of God delivered out of away back in 1982 praise God. Hope to hear you again very many times and may God very greatly bless you in every aspect of your life and loving Christian Greetings all the way from Ireland from this 84 year old at nearly 1 am and full of praise for God my Loving Heavenly Father who by the Holy Spirit led me to this time of very great blessing tonight.
So who are you ? A comfort & guidance ?
Are you SDA?
In 15:02; isn't that what we a Christians do with
pastors, if pastors say or don't say what the Bible teaches most people believe what the pastor says; "curse is the man that trust in man" even I (being a nobody according to the world) because I'm a child of God! But me I question my pastor and check the scriptures to see if what he says is true, but a big perstntage do not check on the pastors words!
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This is EXACTLY what Scofield did.....somehow convince us that we needed HIS insight to understand Scripture. Such blasphemy!
Blasphemy? I dont know who this Scofield person is, so I have no comment on him. But please consider this. Did not Jesus have to send His disciples to re-teach Jews how the messianic prophecies were fulfilled by Christ? Jesus commanded them to preach the gospel and all the things He taught them. And what do we see throughout His earthly ministry? We see Jesus often having to correct the people's theological understandings. His disciples had to do the same thing. Why? Why was there a need for that? What the devil did with the Jewish people in leading them to misunderstand much of the scriptures, and corrupting the scriptures, he has done with Christians. Not everything Christians believe is wrong, but there are several issues that need to be re-evaluated. God still has to be raising up people among Christians to bring people back to true meanings of Scripture. And right along all that the devil does not stay behind. He is right at work and uses people he has deceived to counteract what God is striving to do for all of us.
God still chooses to use people to help people. Its how He has always operated. Its up to us, with the help of God, to know who is from God and who is not. The bible gives us a few major things to help us with this.
1) The help of the Holy Spirit.
2) Isaiah 8:20. To the law and testimony.
3) Matthew 7:15-20 we shall recognize them by their fruit.
Eric. Are you SDA?
@@jimbob1644 No, I'm Presbyterian
@@ericnichols3252 so what are those what's the meaning of the word blasphemy in the statement you first made
My experience with the SDA is nothing like any of these comments are saying?
I have no idea where this slander is coming from. Why there is so much hate and animosity.
If you walked into the church I go to and nobody told you it was an SDA church you would never know. You would just assume it's a run of the mill Protestant Church.
The people are warm and welcoming. My Church actually was one of the few that stood up against the COVID Lockdowns and refused to close the doors.
We believe in being saved by Grace Alone. Everything we base our beliefs on is in Scripture..
Ellen G White is rarely ever mention at my Church. Typically just a quote or two.
We focus on what's actually important. The Bible. We will read a verse and then it's an open format to discuss. Anyone is welcome to attend.
One of my Favorite Christian Speaker is Dr. Michael Brown. Just to give you some perspective. I really enjoy Lee Strobels content as well.
I will pray for those of you with unwarranted Hate against my Church. If you believe Christ is Lord. You are my Brothers and sisters.
Please don't hate us.
New Creation Seventh-day adventist church in Lancaster County, Nebraska
U are totaly rong,BECOS THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THE SABBATH DAY.THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)IS NOT WRITTEN DAT THE LORD JESUS BLESS THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)BUT THE 7DAY SABBATH (Exodus ch20:vs 8-11
Your Sabbath day has nothing to do with it ...when you have their Ellen White Jesus... her Jesus is the 1844 Jesus you have no salvation... that went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. putting the sins of the people on the back of the( devil )which( makes the devil the sin Bearer).. when the Jesus of the Bible says (he is our sin Bearer )!!the one that is Hebrews chapter 7... not the levite Jesus your false prophet Ellen (created )going from the outer Court to the inner Court.( that Jesus stole the cross.) and you have no salvation..!!! you can preach all he want you have nothing.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv if you dont keep the sabbath you break the whole law and will receive the madk of the beast
we obey not to be saved but willfull disobedience like cain is not well received by God
all sunday churches are babylon
Everything you've mentioned is not convincing to me since those claims are usually used to attack the church has been answered by the church through the scripture.
This is your church document .the investigative judgment. Written by Ellen White. Maranatha page 251. Ellen makes the devil be Jesus Christ )..claiming he's the sin Bearer.)!!! The second goat of the levitical law.. when Jesus in 1st Peter 2:24 says (He does that)!. Ellen says the sins are placed on the back of the devil !there never blotted out! You're not forgiven at the cross! You're still being investigated. Destroying who Jesus said he is 1st Peter 2:24. Isaiah 43 verse 25. (She makes Jesus be the the devil!) She says that is your Jesus! )So you would be breaking the first commandant! because that's not God!
This is not an attack!!!! these are Ellen's own words ! in your own documents! the investigative judgment written by Ellen White. August 31st... Maranatha page 251. Ellen )makes the devil be Jesus Christ by claiming he is the sin Bearer. )!!!!And places The Sins on the back of the devil)!! and they're never blotted out!) Destroying who Jesus is and what he did at the cross! By God's own words .Isaiah 43 verse 25 1st Peter 2:24! She says that is your god!! breaking the first commandment! No one is saved by that God!
I say amen to your prayer that someone’s eyes will be opened from your talk. Maybe yours. I’m curious as to whether or not you are an observer of the fourth commandment or not?
You have your Sabbath.. but you don't have Jesus Christ!!! Ellen says the second goat to Leviticus 16.....(((. which is who Jesus Christ)).....[ really is for the atonement of Leviticus 16]]... Jesus is the sin Bearer ..(1st Peter 2:24 Hebrews 9:28 )............Ellen says that's the (devil)!!!!!!!( you have no atonement !you have no salvation!!!...( but you do have your Sabbath)... she made sure she had a vision on that ..(so you're convinced!
Wow!!! Thank you. This is the truth so well explained that have been searching for and the holy spirit today guided me to it.
Let me tell everyone here that this message can only be understood in spirit. Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth. That is the truth!!! May God guide all of you to the truth through His spirit.
Thank you once more for the time dedicated, the resources put, he prayers made so that one more soul can be saved through thus message
Much love from Kenya 🇰🇪
"Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth." What a lofty, arrogant statement to make. Tell me, what is the real "beef" you have with Adventist Truths? Do you not like it because we are commandment keepers and you feel convicted? After all - the LAW is a school master - and a convincer of sin.
I wonder what spirit you are led by. SDA is the only denomination that can publicly defend their doctrines with scriptures. ONLY. Sunday is publicly listed as the first day of the week while mentally brainwashed to believe it’s the last day of the week.
The Sunday law driven by the mark of the beast is so obvious that the enemy is after worship to publicly force everyone to worship on Sunday. Ever wondered why?
@@abigailsmith6864 it wouldn't matter what Commandments you kept.. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible!! Ellen in the investigative judgment( says the devil is Jesus Christ)!! and you believe Ellen!
@@treefellonya Adventists are hated everywhere because they hold the truth.Other denominations are not attacked ever wonderd why.
@@atreastaasreas1965 I have written about this on many YT channels. No other Christian group is so vociferously attacked. Not JW, or LDS. Adventists are by far the most vehemently run down. When I first was looking at the Adventist truths, I remember initially being worried after reading Dale Ratzlaff, Martin, and Rhea. Then it occurred to me that the Devil would attack the true Church of God this angrily. No one else would care as much. It wasn't long after that I was baptized. I always remind those who speak about Adventists so angrily of Revelation 12:17.
This man may be sincere with his faith and understanding of scripture as many of us are. But Eve was also sincere when she approached Adam with the forbidden fruit. Sincerity has its place in our relationship with God, but its not what saves us. It is the Word of God. He mentioned about a book in the mail that did not have SDA on it, implying that they are being deceptive, but why would they put the name of their church on it, when you have people like this men making people prejudiced against them?
I just finished reading about the leper Jesus healed in Mark 1:43-45. Jesus, "having sternly warned him," said, "See that you speak nothing to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a testimony to them."
Why did Jesus say this to him? Mark tells us. "But having gone out, he began to proclaim much and to spread abroad the matter, so that He was no longer able to enter openly into the city, but He was out in solitary places."
The Jewish leaders always hindered the work of Christ and His disciples, and Jesus had to warn the cleansed leper to not tell anyone that Jesus healed him so that these prejudiced leaders don't hinder his work. This man in this video is also hindering the work of the SDA church. I understand the concern he has, but he is mistaken about this church, just like the Jews are still mistaken about Christianity. Nothing new under the sun.
But if SDA doesn't have the right Jesus!!! you want me to prove it???? Another words the 1844 Jesus the Helen White Jesus saves no one!!!!!.. if that's your Jesus ..you're not saved.. you can grandstand all you want. you and the Pope.
SDA failed their trail when the prophecy of jesus coming in 1944 failed don't forget what deu 18 :22 says about such failed prophecies
@@shibahtash4700 amen sister !but if you don't change that 1944 to 1844 they will attack you! 😃but even then they will attack you!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv it was a typing error but it won't change the fact why people refer SDA prophets as false
@@shibahtash4700 absolutely right I've studied this study this cult from core. root. Because one of my friends got caught up in this cult.. at this point he has no salvation nor does he know a thing about prophecy ..anymore .because this is what I've done all my life. is study prophecy. which is been 50 years. the Cornerstone of their theology comes from the core of what I've studied .which is the Book of Daniel .and if you don't understand Daniel 8 you can't understand any Prophecy in the Bible! and their false prophet destroyed it! so they have no prophecy they have no truth and they have no Jesus! because Daniel 8 (she made a levite Jesus) going from the outer Court to the inner Court..( parently that Jesus didn't say it's finished at the cross )..they're taught to teach that from their ministers .and I have listened to some of the great ones. .the devil has got the whole group in ones place.. and he's not releasing hardly any of them!
Very powerful appeal to prejudice.
I'd have expected as Christians we'd at least use one scripture verse to debunk things.
Sounds like the former comment was from a SDA member. I understand as I was raised, and still attend on Sabbath. I do go on Sundays too as there are many Godly people in every church. My husband is a Sunday attending Christian. I do appreciate the respectful way in which this man presents false from true doctrine. I see Jesus in his response to EG Whites comments that differ from him. I have to say that I am NOT an EG White reader. She may have been a kind lady but I do not agree with many of her statements but I do still hold to some of the doctrines, not hers, that I feel the bible teaches. We are all told to study for ourselves with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. Many in the church do not hold to her teachings as welll and are bible only. The Sabbath does not save us, nor do our cherished doctrines. Yeshua saves us and , if we let the Holy Spirit guide us, we have have purer doctrines to reflect Him and show we are Christ like. I don't see Jesus coming after SDA only. He is coming back for His temple, the embodiment of Christ all churches and those that don't go but hold Him in their heart. My opinion for what it is worth. Thank you for being respectful , as Jesus was, in your teaching. This made me stop and listen.
And God said "Remember" perhaps also in the sense of, not that it has been forgotten but as an admonition to ensure that we take that time to rest and more importantly, to spend with Him. Remember the day. Don't get so busy, so caught up in your earthly life that you neglect the great honor of spending time with Him on His holy day, the 7th day Sabbath. I had something else but it's gone from me. Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
The investigative judgment August 31l Ellen G white estates , sharing the vision, three-and-a-half paragraphs down in Jesus Christ as priests, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them on the scapegoat ,bearing the sins for his role was sent away into the land not inhabited. you got to remember both of these goats had to be (perfect).. and there was lots cast, who would be the one to be sacrificed ,the other one would be the goat that bears the sin's....( Jesus said he does both)!!!!! Ellen makes( one of those the devil .). She says christ...(will place the sins upon Satan.)!.... (making making him be the sin Bearer ) (making Jesus and the devil partners for your salvation)!!! so the devil becomes Jesus Christ!!!..( he loves it)! this is not 1st Peter 2:24 !this is who (she said you are serving ) ..it's exactly what the devil is going to do ,when he (incarnates the Antichrist at the end of time! )...and you're worried about him!
@@jimbob1644 OK, this is not your fault and it can be kind of hard to wrap your head around. I suggest praying for discernment before proceeding. Jesus bore our sins to the cross and paid, in full, for the sins of every human being. Will Jesus bear our sins forever? God forbid, and if you understand the sanctuary service you know that He transferred our sins to the sanctuary. As part of his punishment, the devil will be made to feel the pain and misery he caused by his rebellion. Is it not fitting that he should be made to suffer for all the trouble he caused? In the end he will be made to feel, or bear if you will, all the misery his rebellion caused. In that sense he will bear sin. Not that he will atone for it. Jesus has done that. Only He could do that. In the sanctuary service, on the day of atonement, one goat is sacrificed and His blood is carried and sprinkled within the most holy place. That goat is a "type" of Jesus whoseblood was shed for our sins. The other goat, or type of the devil, has the peoples sins symbolically transferred to it and is bannished to the wilderness, a symbol of hell. A fitting end for him wouldn't you say? Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@williamstroud1455 how long does it going to take you to understand that 1844 never happened... And what happened there according to you destroys the cross! because everything you're saying is what Jesus did at the cross!. He said it's finished!! The levitical law was done!!!! Hebrews chapter 7 read it.! Verse 11 12 13 and 14. It's not about the law! He changed it!. he's from the tribe of Judah) he's not practicing levite law! what's going on there is a levite thing! And you're saying it wasn't finished! You're blaspheming what he did at the cross!. And you're saying it wasn't finished at the cross..((( Isaiah 45: 25) (If they're blotted out and they're remembered no more)!!!...( what's sin is going to be placed on your demonic devil)!!! (It's not written in the old or new!.) That Ellen creates it...( apparently that's not important to you. )!You're destroying every scripture texts describing what Jesus did to fit your narrative!
@@williamstroud1455 you're just blaspheming what Jesus did at the cross! (when he said it's finished !)apparently you don't know he blots out your sins! and he remembers them no more!( Isaiah 45: 25.) He did that he immediately after he paid the penalty !! ( You're saying your sins are still remembered )!!!and they're going to be with the devil)!!! So it's not finished that's why you're saying that!. That's demonic!!! that's not Jesus Christ ..that's is not the 1st Peter 2:24 .you don't have salvation. and you don't have Jesus !I do understand! About the Old testament sanctuary. That's just not happening in heaven! but he said it's finished he's from the tribe of Judah! not from the law Hebrews 7..( your Jesus is a levite Jesus )!there is no such thing! Going from the outer Court to the inner Court. And saying it's still not finished at the cross. you see I know the prophecy of Daniel 8 if you knew it and believed the truth of the Bible .(you know you're in a cult!). Daniel 8 is about the Antichrist at the end of time! The functioning time is 2300 days!
@@williamstroud1455 they're blocking my response to you I'll try again. Isaiah 43:25. When that happened right after the cross. What sins are you talkin about!???? All's you're saying is you're not forgiven! That's the difference between Christians and people from SDA. Jesus said if you believe Him. Like Abraham. you're saved! present past and future! he knows what you're going to do. You're saying no that's not true right. You've got a levite Jesus) read Hebrews chapter 7 that's not what it's about! You're blaspheming Jesus! I do know the levitical law! The changing of the law ,Jesus tells you in Hebrews 7! He's from the tribe of Judah! not about the law! he said it's finished at the cross! You're saying the cross has nothing to do with you! Based on 1st Peter 2:24 and Isaiah!
You can't decide if they're the true church when you are in error. You keep Sunday holy which is a doctrine started by Catholicism, along with Easter and Christmas etc
Sharing the vision. Ellen G white estates. The investigative judgment maranatha. page 251. Google it.. it'll come up in 3 seconds. In the middle of the third paragraph. (Ellen says the devil becomes the sin bearer) of Leviticus 16: 10. When Jesus said he does that 1st Peter 2:24. Hebrews 9:28. Ellen says the sins are placed on the devil for all of time !and they never go away .they're never blotted out and they're always remembered. Destroying what Jesus said In Isaiah 43 verse 25. Claiming that the devil is part of the atonement. Saying that what the devil does the work of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12,:31+32 blaspheming the Holy Spirit! She says that is your Jesus! Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing! Look who your Jesus is!
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@jimbob1644 you're twisting what is mentioned in the book. It doesn't say that Satan is part of the atonement.
I'm not sure if English is your first language or not, it's not not my first language and I understand what the paragraph says.
You're right she doesn't tell you that. The second goat is Jesus Christ ) of Leviticus 16:10. ( she put the devil in the position of Jesus Christ. )!!!The second goat of Leviticus 1610 is Jesus Christ)!!! Atoning for the sins of people.)) (She says the devil is in that position!!)!! and Jesus Christ is not there! Which is ( attributing to the Devil himself with Jesus Christ did it the cross.!!! You have no atonement !!!and you have no Jesus. !!You use the word Jesus but you have nothing !!!you're not saved!! To attribute to the Devil with what Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit does himself... is blaspheming the holy spirit Matthew 12! If you get baptized in the SDA Church. you agree that that is the truth.( the investigative judgment .)otherwise you can't be a member!
@@warlyfresh the uploaders blocking the comments to you but I think you can read what I wrote to you!
As an Adventist of many years standing I have to agree with this presentation sadly. I say sadly because I have many good friends in the church who have been gullible just like me and believed in the authority which the church leadership has attributed to Ellen White and the teaching of the investigative judgment of 1844. But no more. Be careful not to be too hard on the church members it’s the leaders at the top that are going to face God one day. There are many “loving and lovable Christian’s” to quote EGW. in the Adventist Church.
Thanks
If you're not firmly grounded by the Bible, or only learn to read verses instead of whole passage... It is much easier for you to be manipulated by such doctrines as the sda. The Bible stands on it's own and can be proven by itself. We can interpret how we understand what we read but never change the context of what a chapter or book is about.
Just a thought if it make sense.
Christ and only Christ is our Savior... The Gospels of Matthew, Make, Luke and John said so and Paul just made it all clear for us christians who are NOT JEWS about Christ Gospel (the everlasting Gospel).
Not the 3 angels messages
Not a prophet who made false prophecies
Not a preacher or an angel or anyone who can not be proven by the Living Word of our Savior Christ (the BIBLE).
Blessings to you all
And may we all find salvation in CHRIST the anointed son of God.
Amen.
"It is finished" -Jesus the Messiah, circa 30 A.D.
Hallelujah!
the first part is finishes
now bible says Jesus keeos working for cleansing of the sanctuary
Gabriel says so in DA 8 14
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel And the Book of Hebrews says he is presently our High Priest, yet these people think its "finished" SMH. I thought he was finished _before calvary_ ? "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have _finished_ the work which thou gavest me to do." (John 17:4, KJV)
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel the Maccabees cleansed the temple on Dec. 9th 164 bc, after 2300 evenings and mornings starting on Aug. 21, 174 ad. Antiochus fulfilled the prophecy 2100 years ago. There is no such thing as a Investigative Judgement, to say there is is a false Gospel and a lie. What does that make you? Gal. 1:8.
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you!
Believers are no longer led or under the schoolmaster of the law!
Gal 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Adventists are led and are under the schoolmaster of the law!
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What Adventist fail to understand is sin is overcomed by GRACE...not by the sevies pityful efforts in law keeping.
Pray for this cult and its false gospel.
Simple question MATE, is it okay, to murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, etc?
The point you glaringly miss, is that, when the Holy Spirit indwells humanity, THE LAW IS KEPT. It's a law of Love.
If you understood the verse you're quoting (Romans 3:19) you would know that the condemnation of the law condemns those who are under the law and not those in the spirit of the Law.
Hebrews 8:8"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord..."
Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts...":
@@lyonpaque3100 its so difficult to talk to someone who doesnt know how to use their bible.
FYI, law doesnt prevent sin!
You see mate law increase the knowledge of sin! Grace conquers sin!
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
But as SDA belief is the law is still binding placing themselves under the power of the curse of the law I will need to explain what that law is and to who it applies.
Lets start shall we?
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The law is the covenant ten commandments. T/F ?
@@bop-ya-good just because we are under grace it doesn’t mean we can murder,steal,cheat etc.If you love God and your fellow man you are not going to do bad things.Out of love toward God it comes automatically to do good.Salvation it’s not about works but faith without works is dead.Again just because I am saved I am not running around shooting people.This guy talks a lot of vegetables.
@atreastaasreas1965 no what it means we are not under law but under grace. You add law you lose!!
Man made it clear we fail on our own so Jesus came along so thankfully.
Saturday is for resting that Sat day Sunday is Sun day
You can keep all your Sabbath you want the investigative judgment ,maranatha page 251. Ellen White makes Jesus Christ be the devil she makes him be the sin Bearer)!!! And your sins are never blotted out. destroying who Jesus is. Isaiah 43 verse 25 in 1st Peter 2:24! and she says that is your God!
Yes if you worship on a sun day you're worshipping their pagan god.
@@julienolan5022 you're breaking the ninth commandment!
Seventh day Adventist is not a cult we believe holy bible
Mistake No. 1 is asking a religious person if you should join a religion. People, you have brains. Think for yourselves, and no, that's not a sin - it's called being mentally healthy.
I am so glad to be a member of that SDA cult.Jesus said, "If you love me...keep my commandment." and guess what...they are keeping God's commandment..not nine ,but all ten!
I am so happy to be a member of the SDA cult..because when Jesus found some folks " messing" with one just one commandment, he told them that their worship was in vain.
.See Mathew 15:9...&...Mark 7:7
At least I would not hear such damning words on judgement morning!
I would remain a member of the SDA cult ...because I want my prayer answered .
See Proverbs 28:9.
I am staying there until death because of Reverlation 22:14.
There is simply no better place to be on judgement morning...
i wish you can direct me of a better place..
I think there is room for one more intelligent person.
What Jesus meant when he said “ If you love me, keep MY commandments”
JOHN 14:15
If ye love me, KEEP MY commandments.”
it’s VERY clear, He says in the book of John “KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
The answer to what Jesus said, is IN THE BOOK OF JOHN as well, NOT in the other book.
What Jesus meant by “ if love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
In the book of John, you will find the answer
JOHN 13:34
“A NEW commandment I GIVE UNTO YOU. That YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
What Jesus said that “if you love, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
It was NOT the 10 commandments He was referring to,
It was HIS COMMANDMENTS He was referring to.
Chapter 14 of the book of John is the continuation of Chapter 13 of the same book.
JOHN 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
JOHN 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
That is how you will understand or comprehend the context of the WORD of God in the holy scriptures, NOT by picking verses from different books of the bible and connecting it to other verses to misled and deceived believers for centuries, just like what the SDA church is doing.
The old testament was external, Jesus said your righteousness must surpass that, and it must be internal. See the sermon in the mount for example. Far higher standards. Speech, thoughts, actions, character, attitudes all changed by the Spirits power
What is your big malfunction?
You do mean what is your malfunction?
Dear people, follow God not people. Read and meditate on the word of God day and night. That's where you will get all the answers. I'm really tired of all Christian denominations putting each other down. May the Holy Spirit guide you, regardless what church you go to. Only God can convict.
Im proud to be an SDA...
So you're glad to not have the true Jesus of the Bible.( The one that puts the sins on the devil !!!! (and makes the devil be the sin bear)... rather than the Jesus of Hebrews 7. You have no salvation !what blasphemy)!
Pride goes before the fall.
Baa-baa said the sheep in “Animal Farm”
@@MrLibertyHugger that's not what they sound like on my farm!
Amén.
All of those founders of splinter churches from the 1840s Millerite Movement who predicted the return of Christ in their lifetime, minimized the importance of Jesus' blood in the atonement of sins. They led their followers to believe that they needed their founder to interpret the scriptures for them. Her writings about works based salvation are what they use for the foundation of their faith. 😢
Where in her writings does she say that?
From my research, she believed (as did Luther) in righteousness by faith in the saving blood of Christ. He wants us to seek a daily walk with Him in prayer and study of His Word. Then good works (fruit) are the result, not the cause of our salvation.
How are we to go to work, when we are invited to enter into His rest by ceasing our works? Legalism indeed.
This guys a piece of work. I’m a seventh day Adventist and you are saved by grace. The sabbath that is in the Ten Commandments . And hungry for souls 😂😂😂. I’m trying to save myself and working on my own soul by working on my relationship with Jesus Christ.
“The ones that say things that it sounds right, almost right and it’s hard to discern…. Typically the cults are gonna tell you they believe the Bible.” Man this guy is much. It’s crazy most of the people in the world believe in the same God but then look and listen to Humanity . Or The Devil at the works to divide.
Are you saved now? You may have missed the part about word’s being used by Christian’s that mean something else. What does saved mean? Honest question to an SDA.
Can't be saved by grace with the 1844 Jesus!
@@andje_izidor_music you didn't come to Christ if you came to the SDA association because they don't have the Jesus of the Bible. They use the ( name Jesus) but it's (not the Jesus of the Bible.) Your critical thinking is not working!. There is no 18 44 Levite Jesus going from the outer Court to the inner Court. Ultimately placing the( sins on the Devil himself!)( Which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit)! That Jesus does not exist!
@@andje_izidor_music who do you think you're speaking to?
@@andje_izidor_music now you're making since. I don't even know why you're on here what do you gain?
God created the New Testament for a reason ! It's the new covenant that we live by . God's greatest commandments , Matthew 22 ; 36-40 . All 9 commandments are in the NT except for keeping the Sabbath . Colossians 2 :16 .
really? does teaching come by just words? or by example as well. the gospels mention several times that "as His custom (habit, teaching) was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day." in the book of Acts Paul is recorded doing the same, not just the jews but gentiles as well and once the gentiles asked him to come back the next Sabbath to tell them more. in antioch he and barnabas stayed for a whole year(Acts 11:26) then later in chapter 14 "stayed a long time," Acts 18 he reasoned with jew and gentile for a year and a half, then on to Ephesus teaching, preaching for 3 years. Jn 1:1 it's said "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God." if Jesus is the word, can He go against his own word? if He is the word and the word was God, and he says of HImself, "I speak not of my own but what the Father tells me" how can the Father go against Himself or His word or the Son speak contrary to what the Father has said? i'm sure if you study there were different sabbaths in the ceremonial feast days and weeks. these were not part of the 10 commandments but the "laws of ordinance" which Moses wrote in a book that was placed in a compartment on the outside of the ark. these were the laws for the ceremonies, feast. they were yearly sabbaths. they all pointed to certain aspects of Jesus work for salvation. the 10 commandments were placed inside the ark, under the mercy seat along with aaron's rod that budded and a pot of mana. adventist believe Pauls instruction to Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16,17 that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." there was the nation of Israel, whom God had called them not to be just different or peculiar but to share their witness to others. but as the prophecy foretold they would fail and their rejection as a nation of Jesus sealed their fate, as a nation. individually yes but not as a nation. from the time that Stephen was stoned, the gospel went to the gentiles, by Peter going to Cornelius and after Paul's conversion. that is why Paul many times referred to believing gentiles as Abraham's seed by faith and being grated in, and heirs according to the promise. the spiritual Israel not the fleshly Israel. all the promises given to Israel were now for spiritual Israel. but as many forget, not just the promises, but also the warnings. there is a promise in Isaiah 66:22,23, speaking of the promise of a new heaven and new earth, "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another. all flesh shall come to worship before me" says the Lord." if God says this is the way it will be in heaven, why should anyone say, no, i will do it my way? is that not why there was rebellion in heaven with satan?
really? the verse in Colossians is referring to the feast day sabbaths, which were annual sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath. and teaching is done not only by word but by example. " as was His custom He (Jesus) went into the synagogue to teach and to preach." read Luke 4:16-30, 6:6-11, 13:10-16, 14:1-5. and in Acts you will find many instances of Paul doing the same, in different places on his missionary trips, once for 3 weeks he taught gentiles on the Sabbath, then for months in places such as Antioch, Phillipi, Thessalonica, even a year in one and a year and a half, and in Ephesus for 3 years, "as his custom was." in James he says if you break one you break all. Paul says "I would have not known sin if the law did not say thou shalt not covet." God has said " what I utter from my mouth I shall not change." "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever." and Paul says "thinking it not robbery to be equal with God." and Jesus said " for I have not spoken of Myself, but of the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what i should speak." how then could there be any difference between them? the bible says, " can two walk together if they not be in accord?" perhaps you should go back into the Law books and find the difference between the 7th day Sabbath and the annual sabbaths of the feasts. the 7th day Sabbath was on the tables of stone, under the mercy seat of the ark. the annual ones were written by Moses in a book that contained the directions for sacrifices and when and how to keep the feast days, weeks. that book was the law contained in ordinances that was put in a compartment on the side of the ark. those pointed to the work of Christ in salvation. those were what was "nailed to the cross," not the 10 commandments. look up Sabbathtruth.com and watch the series with Hal Holbrook. you will learn a lot.
@@jeffsimpson7282 are you SDA? if you are ,I want to show you who your Jesus is !!your Sabbath won't matter!
I love how you support with the bible quote about the new covenant ; it's also backed up in book of Hebrews, and yet....... people don't want to believe.... you get a whole bunch of argument back. to which I will add Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
@@jeffsimpson7282 none of that matters you don't have Jesus Christ as your savior! You got the 1844 investigative judgment Jesus ..that becomes the Devil himself read it!!
Thank you for fulfilling prophecy of Jesus. To be hated and labelled just shows that you are on the right path. Everyone needs to go to God in prayer and humility to understand truth. We will all give account one day individually and we can’t point to someone else that led us astray. As Jesus said on the cross, forgive them father for they know not what they do. Don’t follow a multitude to destruction. Many are called but few chosen. I praise God for being called a cult.
I found both Mormon and 7 day cuts teach members self righoutsness and self! Exaltation! What was Satan about? Pride! Thought he was self rightouseand wanted to exalt him Self!!! Above Gods throne
No need for Jesus atonement in those cults
"You have been estranged from Christ, you who seek to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace!" Galatians 5:3 and later "those who are led by the Spirit are NOT UNDER THE LAW," Galatians 5:18. Paul wrote so much against the turning back to the old ways. If you seek to be justified by the old covenant you are bound to keep the whole law! Jesus told us about what was coming- the new cannot patch the old, He has made an entirely NEW garment! The new wine would BURST the old wineskins! The law is good, but we were the gaping hole within it, unable, without Jesus, to live up to a holy standard. Hebrews says that restrictions like food, clothing, and festival days were upheld until the time of reformation! We have come into a Kingdom that isn't seen or shaken. I pray that our SDA brothers and sisters come to hold fast to the LIBERTY by which Christ has made us free! Amen!
Seventh-day Adventist all believe that they are saved by grace through faith. None believe that they are saved by works. What most of us also believe is that because we are saved, we should be grateful and choose to obey God's law out of love: John 14:15; 1John 5:1-3; 2John 2:6; James 1:25, 2:10-12; Matt 22:37-40; Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14
@@returntoeden by Grace from from who? the investigative judgment. maranatha page 251. Ellen ( makes the devil be Jesus Christ.)!!! That is who she says you're Jesus is !read it!( making the devil be the sin Bearer )!!and (the sins are never blotted out )! Destroying who Jesus is.!!!! Isaiah 43 verse 25. 1st Peter 2:24! There's your grace!
@@jimbob1644 Grace comes from the God of Creation YeHoVaH & Yeshua both. How do you honor the God of Creation if not abiding by His word Rev 14:7; Exo 20:11; Gen 2:1-4?
@@returntoeden all you're saying is you're calling Jesus Christ the devil. That's why you're saying what you're. you don't even know what the Bible says!. The equation that created that lie in the first place .you can't get from 457 BC in the spring of the year to the fall of 1844 with 2300 it's impossible. See I know what the 2300 days actually mean. You believe the lie! You're saying there's a sharing arrangement between the devil and Jesus Christ for atonement! That's blasphemy!
@@returntoeden you know( by attributing to the Devil with Jesus did)) in in 1st Peter 2:24 and Hebrews 9:28. And claiming there are no more sins Isaiah 43:25.( Attributing what the Holy Spirit did at the cross..( that to the devil). ( like you just did)!!! which is the Holy Spirit. Look what Matthew 12: 31 and 32. Is saying about you!
I am a member of the SDA Bible-loving Church "Cult." Our doctrines are wonderful. All solid Bible-based doctrines. You can easily find it online. A lot of good people in the church. Also a lot of hypocrites. Sad but true. But hey, people are free to choose
Amen!! It is hard to not try to show these people how they are wrong, but we are not to argue with demons.
I used to say the same things you are saying. Look into the trinity, and you will find the first false doctrine of many. No organized religion has the truth. "Come out of her my people," is a plea for people to leave the lies of organized religion and follow Jesus, the son of God. Not God the Son. I sincerely pray you consider what I am saying. May God bless you.
@@dustyrose853 Bible study works best when discussed with others. Doing it alone can open a person to self interpretation and very had things have come of this.
@2sarahloves I convene with others and Jesus. There are many other people who join together outside of the organized religions. I didn't say anything about people having to secluded themselves. In my experience, when people don't want to hear God's truth, they push those people sharing it away from them. Essentially, shunning them even if they have worshipped together for years.
@@dustyrose853 so what truth do you have that nobody else has!?
Pastor good morning.
I'm surprised you didn't quote a scripture to prove your claims?
Read the investigative judgment. Ellen G white August 31st. Maranatha. Page 251. (She makes the devil be Jesus Christ)!!!!. The devil becomes the sin Bearer) and the sins are never blotted out !!!.destroying the cross! As opposed to 1st Peter 2:24. And Isaiah 43 verse 25. Is that good enough for you? Because I can keep going!
The answer to that is made clear if you study the old sanctuary services..I ask you to study again.
@@BarryTaliva-xg2tk I already did! explain it to me.(! How doesn't the devil come into the picture? )be specific!
@@jimbob1644 I know what you meant but are you really sure about it.
Don't you think the devil is the scapegoat?
@@BarryTaliva-xg2tk are you really that blind you're saying the devil is Jesus Christ
Pretentious people think they know.
The KJV Holy Bible says, they are fools. Do not do surgical reading but study it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and give you wisdom. Surrender and cleanse your heart. Do fasting, let the Lord Jesus Christ give you understanding to learn his words for you. Do not just listen to other experts, open the KJV Holy Bible by yourself.,.,.,.
There is no denominations in Heaven….. Only Jesus!! So don’t follow denominations….. denominations are like clubs and associations… look to the doctrines and teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible! Check and learn what Jesus Christ said about Sabbath. Don’t follow men…. Follow the teachings and discern the Truth of God’s Word!
Yes! Apostle Paul was so clear about this 1 Corinthians 1:10-13.
We need ONLY to stick to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our Advocate, Helper, Teacher for guidance.
Thanks well said
What does Hebrews chapter 4 say
We were actually told not to admit to being SDA. In other words lie in order to recruit others.
The 40th anniversary of my baptism is in August and I've never been told that.
@@melodykubiak5850 Expect statements like this because it is a fulfillment of Rev 12:17. Many times there are outright lies. That is how much Adventists are hated, and it will get worse as you live holier and live closer to Jesus.
@@treefellonya ~ Apart from the occasional person on the Internet, I've never encountered hatred or disdain for being an Adventist. Most people accept that we are a Bible-believing Christian denomination. I wish these people would take the time to actually understand what we believe from Adventist sources without the influence of negative preconceived ideas about us. There are plenty of Adventist sources available. For instance, Amazing Facts and It Is Written have excellent Bible study courses.
I'm not an Adventist I'm still looking for one near me. What maybe me to choose this domination and to trust it is how in every argument they bring up they fully back it up with scripture without taking it out of context, that is something that other denominations don't do
@@melodykubiak5850 "I've never encountered hatred or disdain for being an Adventist." You must be sheltered then. Its rampant.
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you!
Exactly, but sda are so blind to see all these.