Well... however ....Pr tim is using scripture to support the argument/topic at hand & don't forget scripture is Holy Spirit inspired & the bible is our truth/light/foundation.
Okay, I'm beginning to understand how these side so-called churches are deceptive. At the same time though, I watch the men of my church and past churches I've attended, who have 'no' works at all in their lives. They attend services, maybe sing or not, but just sit there saying nothing and then doing nothing. They never share, praise, or thank God for anything. What has happened to the men in this culture. No wonder we see women rising up to teach and preach, which isn't biblical. Men have turned from following Jesus to a life of ease and letting women take care of them in every way. The most important thing I seldom see men doing is praying. A husband and father should be leading by praying for and with his wife and children. I would rather live in a tent or cave with a Godly husband than in a palace with great riches with a man who has turned his back on Jesus. 😔
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel Ellen says your Jesus is the devil..( in the investigative judgment) by making him be the sin Bearer )!!!in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph ..(blaspheming the Holy Spirit attributing to the devil what Jesus Christ himself does)!!! 1st Peter 2:24 Hebrews 9:28 then she says the sins are placed on him (forever destroying Isaiah 43 verse 25 )!!she says that's your Jesus!
@MaryMartinez-lm5tv no she does not. And there in lies the problem with your deceit and fake anger. You are twisting words and presenting half truths. No one in a true SDA church ever states that satan is the sin bearer.
The 4th commandment, the commandment that says "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath dayand hallowed it." Wow! It's the longest of the 10 commandments. You see by whose authority the commandments are given, all in this commandment. The Lord thy God, who made heaven and earth and the sea and all that is in them. The Creator. Oh, that's right, according to you we don't need to keep the commandments. Let's see...Jesus kept them for us so we don't have to. We don't have to keep the Sabbath because He did it for us. Oh, and He had no other gods before the Father so we don't have to keep that one. That was a Jewish thing, eh? Only the Jews needed to keep the commandments. And what about not worshipping idols. Well Jesus didn’t worship idols so we don’t have to not worship them. I guess that means we can worship them, according to, guess who, you again. Jesus did not take the name of the Lord in vain so we don’t have to not do that, therefore, we can. According to you. So If we go according to you, which we do not, we don’t need to keep the commandments since Jesus did that for us. We can dishonor our elders, murder, commit adultery, lie, steal and covet because, hey, Jesus kept the commandments for us so we don’t have to. Do you see how wrong it is to think we are not obliged to keep the 10 commandments. That’s 10, not 9. The roman catholic church claims to have changed the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week, a day you honor, following catholic tradition, but if you read your Bible you will find no authority for such a change. Speaking of the change from the 7th day Sabbath to Sunday as the day of worship, the catholic church says “Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923). There you have it from the horse’s mouth. Not only the admission that Sunday observance is their “mark” but also additional blasphemous statement saying their “authority” is above the Bible. Blessings to all as you study God’s Word.
You could write all the pages you want.... Here's the Clincher is your Jesus the Ellen White Jesus,( of Daniel 8:14) ???if it is. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible.. until you get this solved you can preach all you want ,,and you're still not saved..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Daniel 8:14 doesn't mention Jesus. It talks about the cleansing of the sanctuary, the "day of atonement" spoken of in Leviticus 16. The high priest performed the ceremony on that day. Who is our high priest? According to Hebrews chapter 4, Jesus is. Is that the Jesus you refer to as "Ellen White's Jesus"? That's the Jesus of the Bible. That's my Jesus. Is there another? I go by what the Bible teaches and I will let the God of the Bible decide whether I'm saved or not, thank you. And how about you...who is your Jesus? Someone other that the one found in the Bible? Oh, that's dangerous. Stick to the Bible for your own sake. Blessings
@@williamstroud1455 you're not telling the truth... Ellen said that that Jesus. went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. he didn't ......do that.... and if you're believing that Jesus went from the outer Court to the inner Court. the levite law had died at the cross ....Jesus stop all levite law... at the cross... what you're saying is Jesus didn't stop the Levite. law.( which in that case she was declaring that that would be the annual cleansing)))) so why didn't it happen every year after the crucifixion rather than just an 1844???.??? that's stupid. Even stupider yet is they had the starting date in Nissan one of Ezra chapter 7 which is (Nissan one )which is in (March) they had the ending date in October ))) it doesn't match))) it doesn't matter it never existed in the first place anyway.!!!!. I can prove it ,never happened ...because they lied to you about the 2300 days... she's a false prophet ... that's the lie she told that made you all believe she's telling the truth ...because none of you know what Daniel 8. 8 through 14 is saying.!!! I'll bet everything you have,,, you can't interpret Daniel 8 through 14 and give me the meaning of it. . Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you to understand it...( and you never have.!!!!..) so you're saying (that Jesus) that you're speaking of in 1844 was not the Jesus At The Cross)))) (don't be this blind) first of all the sanctuary never got cleansed.. in 1844... why would a dirty Sanctuary be in heaven in the first place you really got to think about this and not be this naive ...because the days the 2300 days never happened...( the 2300 days or the prophecy of Daniel 8 8 through 14 and you don't know what it means))!!! and you never will because you believe that false prophet in the first place!!!! now if you want me to explain this in detail...I can... because I've studied it for 50 years I know what you're doing ...you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth and you don't know who your Jesus is... it took me (3 seconds )to realize (what cult u. Are in )when I first started seeing what you people are saying... Hebrews 4 is exactly right but Hebrews 7 says who he is you might want a particularly Read 11 + 12 but all the rest is just as important and Read Psalms 110 ...notice he's sitting at the right hand of the father he never went from the outer Court to the inner Court... Hebrew s 7 says he's from the tribe of Judah. I was reading again what you wrote is there another sDa claims there is... they have the (Archangel Michael as being there Jesus also ))which is blasphemy as they blaspheme the sanctuary in Daniel 8.. also. when they claimed it is now in heaven..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv So Mary, first…do you know a guy named Jimbob? Anyhow, you start off by saying I’m “not telling the truth”. There is a name for that. Are you calling me a liar? You are. How do you know I’m lying? If I say something that is incorrect, but I believe it to be true, then I am not lying. Lying is saying something you know to be false in an attempt to deceive someone. Do you have the power to read my mind and know for sure that I’m lying? Or could I be saying what I believe to be true, in which case it’s not lying. Whatever. Next, what are you talking about, Jesus moving from the outer court to the inner court? Who ever said anything like that? Not me, not Ellen White. Next, yes the Levitical/ ceremonial law ended at the cross and Jesus, from the tribe of Judah is our high priest in the heavenly sanctuary as stated in Hebrews chapter 4. The day of atonement hasn’t occurred every year because, the Lamb of God is not sacrificed every year. He was sacrificed once for all. I understand that after believing one thing for 50 years, that when someone says something different it’s hard to let go. It’s not what I say, it’s not what Ellen White says, it’s what the Bible says. If you have a problem with that I suggest you bring it up with God. Blessings. More later, I gotta go.
“But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:5-6 ESV
Jesus Christ Bore all sins, iniquities, transgressions and injustices on the Cross at Calvary. It’s pure deception to believe otherwise, namely that the enemy of our souls, Satan and the Devil is the bearer of our sins. Be on your guard !
@@robbiebob6267 quote---es.... So true I agree with all the above... John 19 vs 30 says.... IT IS FINISHED. unquote So, since ALL the Ten Commandments are "finished". Then I can murder, steal , etc with NO consequences from God, Right???? What was finished were the sacrificial ceremonial laws!!! Given to the JEWS!!!
@mitchellosmer1293.... I am trying with all my strength to be level headed & polite to your response & your outrageous assumptions or whether to take it seriously...is it worthy of a mature intelligent comment by me or anybody else?.... & I have to say it isn't!
@@mitchellosmer1293 the New Everlasting Covenant rewrote most of the Ten. Some magnify others made less. Example; to look at another in lust is adultry instead of caught in the act by two witnesses. Honor your parents will do you well insted of stone the child who dishonors his parents and hag them from a tree to make an example of them. Sin now is not a conviction but YHWH will chasten you in this life, even unto death if necessary.
Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical .
@@williamstarr2346 Completely wrong. Show me anywhere in their 27 Fundamental beliefs where it says this. Or listen to Pastor Mark Finley or Doug Batchelor you will never here what you said.
@@stevendavis6556 yeah but when you're baptized .(you're saying that the investigative judgment is part of your belief system)!!!!!!( Ellen says the devil is Jesus Christ in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph of the investigative judgment )!!!!!that destroys everything!
@@williamstarr2346 You are absolutely wrong. Check your facts before pointing fingers. SDA believe salvation is by grace and grace alone in Jesus. That does not mean we should not obey His commandments. Stop spreading lies
@@williamstarr2346 quote---Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical . unquote Quote that from their doctrines and NOT your opinion!!!
@@peppernbo the Adventist Church says Ellen white is the voice of prophecy. And alien's are from unfallen world's, and a lot of other dangerous lies. Glad I'm out of the country club cult.
““ 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.” Acts 2:17 NIV.
Hungry for souls? ““ *Go* therefore and *make* disciples of all the nations, *baptizing* them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching* them to observe all things that *I have commanded you;* and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.” Matthew 28:19-20
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv quote---Yeah but you got to make sure they're not believing in 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins...unquote What is that about?? I suggest you dust off your bible and read IT!!!
That book told me about the reformation and Christ's atonement The BOOK desire of ages Has had a major impact in teaching me about Christ But of all books I've read: The great controversy has had the most impact. Let's consider their fruits Do they take care of the poor? Do they feed the hungry? Do they clothe the naked? I had no place to live after my spirit medium family cast me out and falsely accused me of gossiping and stealing but who received me? My adventist member who NEVER even knew me!! My spiritual grandmother just had a heart attack because she was concerned about the lives of the 59 poor people she takes care of including me. One of my biological grandmother's last words who was an adventist were hymn 133 Oh let me walk with THEE MY LORD As Enoch walked...with Thee
I too was raised in Spiritualism. When I was 16 I asked for a Bible. When I got through 3/4 of the Bible I did not find what my father was teaching me so I figured it wasn't in the other 1/4 (it wasn't.) I went on a search for a church which taught out of the Bible without manmade traditions added to it. Soon I received Adventist literature and an invitation to a Revelation Seminar. God led me to the Adventist church, giving me the desires of my heart. It's been 40 years and I couldn't be happier.
@@williamstroud1455 Thank you, and His blessings to you as well. I'm finding it interesting how much yelling is going on from anti-Adventists while the Adventists are calmly explaining.
The audacity of this man calling me a cult? Yes I take it personal. It's alright to steal, and to kill, and commit adultery and all the other sins which cannot be counted...but for the only one the 4th Commandment seems to be his sore eye...Tell us which of the commandments are you breaking or not breaking?
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv There are calculators on-line that calculate time from BC to AD. and all calculators come up with the same date as Adventists. You can't talk your way out of science and how the whole science world calculates time from BC to AD. Go use the calculators and you'll see how wrong you are!
Tell me friend, does keeping all the commandments save you? And I'm not talking about the "10", for not all the commandments are listed there, especially the two greatest commandments. And as Paul says, you break one commandment, you break all the commandments. No one is justified by keeping the law. One is justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Salvation belongs to our God, not in our works. Besides that, are you really listening to what he is saying. He is saying that she is teaching things that go expressly in scripture concerning salvation and atonement. Please, listen again.
I was also raised a 3rd generation SDA, but when they “took a first stand” on the Trinity in 2012, I was very perplexed and earnestly prayed pleading with God to show me the truth of His Word AS HE WOULD HAVE US KNOW. After about three weeks the LORD, who is pleased with every good prayer, has blessed me to understand the truth even the most controversial texts as the missing years of Jesus.
Not our prayers but Christ’s prayers-He is ever interceding for us in heaven. He is confessing His own merits in our behalf. And before He returns with our reward he will blot out our ins in His Book or blot is out of them in the day of atonement.
That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God!
@@jimbob1644 no as there is no forgiveness of suns withhout shedding of blood Satan bears his ows responsability for sin If you make someone drink you are bearing your sin and his sins as when someone makes other sins they are responsible for their sins also
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel it's not in the Bible and Satan is not a human being!!(( give me the verse that says that old or new.))) All as you've said as you have made the devil part of the (atonement) Leviticus 16:10 (is blaspheming Matthew 12: 31 and 32)!!!!!! there is no forgiveness! That's not Jesus in the investigative judgment that is the devil!
@@jimbob1644 quote---That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God! unquote I SUGGEST you RESEARCH that!!! Leviticus 16:10 “But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.” The scapegoat iS PRESENTED to the Lord!!! He will let the scapegoat go OUTside the city!!!! -Why is EGW responsible for what GOD SAID!!!!!!! ----
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Leviticus 16:10 “But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.” -----This investigative judgment determines who of the myriads sleeping in the dust of the earth are worthy of a part in the first resurrection, and who of its living multitudes are worthy of translation (1 Peter 4:17, 18; Daniel 7:9, 10; Revelation 14:6, 7; Luke 20:35). SO, according to you--it is Satan that decides who goes to heaven and who does not!!! THAT MAKES Satan MORE POWERFUL than GOD!!!!
Everybody who listens to anybody who criticicizes another believer, or church, should always keep in mind that Jesus was also criticize by His people, and even today His own people, as a nation, still teach that Jesus was an imposter. Now why did that happen, and is still happening today? Also keep in mind that those who challenged Jesus the most were the leaders/teachers of Israel. Why? I have been around many people of different denominations, and only those who have humbly studied the Bible and allow the Bible to interpret itself arrive to conclusions the SDA church has on the Sabbath, and a few other teachings. My own Pentecostal grandmother, who read the Bible daily, told me before passing away, that she was keeping the Sabbath alone in her house the best she understood, because she came to realize that the Lord's Day was actually the 7th day of the week. I myself have had to carefully reconsider what I believe because of so many negative things others say about this denomination, including by former SDA's. And I usually find the same problems. The attacks are mostly on Ellen White. Why, because good contextual study of the word proves that the SDA church does indeed have a solid foundation, thus making it hard to refute. So attacks are redirected to the woman whom God raised during a time Satan also raised his false prophets like Joseph Smith. Satan did the same during the days of Martin Luther the reformer, and raised Ignatius of Loyol to counterattack the Protestant reformation. Just like many have wrested bible scriptures to mean something else than its true meaning, many have done this with Ellen Whites writings. And it worst when people try to debunk her with wrested Scriptures.
On U Tube " Christian Scholars Forum" basically made up of 5 Ex graduates of Theology at SDA Universities NOW do not believe any of the unique and somewhat unusual doctrines of the SDA Church. These 5 as well as their many Guests, mostly ex SDA can prove conclusively IMO from Scripture and Church History that EGW was a false Prophet and false teacher and a consistent small time fraudster. The Scholarship of this Forum is Excellent 👌👍
@@alongcamejones309 sorry my friend, it was scholors that demanded for Jesus to be crucified. It was scholors who opposed the protestant movement. Education means nothing unless its consecrated to God. Without that consecration we just become educated fools.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Mary!!!!!! Remember....''the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.'' Galatians 5:22-23
@@michaelreyes8182 you can grandstand behind that statement if you want.. because that makes you appear like you're more righteous than others ..Jesus called those Pharisees that denied the truth of who he was!!! their father was the devil !!!are you going to say that same thing to Jesus!! you see the word idiot actually has a definition! that fits people that choose not to believe truth,( or can't ,)but some people like to present themselves as nicer than God,, I only speak truth as it's written, (and word definitions),,,( you see (an idiot would set himself up to destroy himself )))!!!that is what the cult of SDA is about ...but they do it without realizing it !!and the leaders of the cult know this truth .! Saw a video (showing those people in that knowledge)!!! By Dale ratzlaff one of their pastors for 13 years .until he realized he did not have salvation !!!! Also videos by colleen Tinker.. it might be wise for you to look at them ...It's out there for you to see ..So they themselves admit it's about money!! but they like to keep all the rest of them in that (word )that I used.. but a wise person would see it!!! ... but you told me that you'd get back with me on the regular conversation we were having.. in the beginning .now I realize there is still room for that !to take place! but you did not !!! now what's the difference !you have to be honest ..I thought that was one of the Commandments,,, you guys hung onto! see that's what I'm showing you here ! I stand behind the word definitions that I use! that's called responsibility,, and honesty! if I tell somebody I'm going to do something, unless, some major catastrophe thing happens, I'm going to do it,. I'm not a woke person. People that truly know me know exactly where my heart is!!! as far as Love Goes !!they also know that I will tell them the truth no matter what kind of words I need to use!!( providing they're not Wicked!!! and that brings respect from anyone that I know,,, because they know I'm not going to lie to them, and I won't candy coat stuff! Merriam-Webster's Dictionary definition... For an idiot..... is a silly or foolish person... when someone believes a cult that is designed to destroy them... that is a silly foolish person.. very foolish!!!!.
@@JustAMessenger-o7g okay you need to give me an answer before we start because that was the last question I asked you on the other stream. what is B.C.1. represent. That year on the Jewish calendar is 3760. counting back from 457 B.C... what does the number match to in B.C..1. Which is 3760 and A.D.1 is 3761 the starting point is Ezra 7:9 which is the first day of the first month establish for the Jews .as New (Year's Day in Exodus 12 )which is March or April. Counting backwards from 457 what is a.d .1 represent? When we get done with this. I'll show you what the 2300 days represent.? If you tell me the truth.
Dear people, follow God not people. Read and meditate on the word of God day and night. That's where you will get all the answers. I'm really tired of all Christian denominations putting each other down. May the Holy Spirit guide you, regardless what church you go to. Only God can convict.
@5:40....if you put catholics in the category of a cult, then why do you follow them in worshiping on a false day? an act that they claim as their "Mark" on power to change the bible, the commandments, and yet the protestant who claims sola scriptura, the bible only, follow the holy catholic church. look up what they and other denominations say about the sabbath. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments." in John 1 and several times in Paul's writings tells us that everything we have or was created came thru Him. in essence then, it was Jesus on sinai who gave the 10 commandments. and God Himself says what my lips utter i will not change.
Your issue is not a Sabbath keeping in the first place.... your issue is if you have an Ellen White Jesus... you don't have a Jesus any better than the Pope ...or Jehovah's Witnesses. or Mormons. because your Jesus is a Levite Jesus... created from Daniel 8:14. that goes from the outer Court to the inner Court 1844 inputs the sins of the people on the back of the (devil ) which makes the (devil the sin bear) and not Jesus Christ of Hebrews chapter 7 ... from the tribe of( Judah) and not from the tribe of( Levi) which is what that Jesus would have to be .(..that Jesus doesn't exist..)! you have no salvation.!!!.
quote--The errors of the 7th day Adventist church are designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.---unquote -First of all---- "The errors of the 7th day Adventist church"--IS A worthless comment. PROVE your comment is true!! Quote FACTS!!! Next---- "designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.", proves you KNOW NOTHING about the Bible!!! There is NO "Eternal hell!!! Revelation 20:14-15 King James Version (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
You should check the historical facts. Though some Adventists called Ellen White a prophetess, she denounced that and said she was only a messenger. There are many great Adventist churches who pay little attention to Ellen White, since they emphasized the Bible first, foremost and last. If one reads Desire of the Ages, they will see nothing contradictory in light of the Bible.
The Bible first does not make a demonic Jesus in 1844 that does not forgive sin! It's written in investigative judgment ..if you don't understand that you might want to read it. No Christian has an SDA Jesus!! And she didn't denounce.anyting! She said if you doubt her you are doubting the word of God ..what else do you think she's saying!?
@@gwensampson1336 but she also said if you do not believe her you're defying God himself. So she's really (saying God said )!!!!no matter what you say.. I know more about her than you do!. The woman was sent to you (by the Devil Himself) and you don't know it!
@@jimbob1644 We follow the Bible first...anything else is secondary especia lly if it doesnt correspond with Gods word!I dont want to know anybody else but Jesus sir
Very true, reading everything in the spirit of prophecy has to say will give you a very deep understanding of the great controversy between good and evil. Not every adventist member was told about the spirit of prophecy?
He also said "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (John 17:4, KJV)" - Precisely _what_ was finished? That is the question. And to say Jesus work is completed is not Biblical. He is still at work in the Heavenly Sanctuary as a High Priest this very moment.
@@treefellonya My bible says HE is seated on HIS throne to the Right of the FATHER. Your witch says HE is in the Holy place with a mop and a bucket of blood. The Hevenly scantuary was never cast down, trodden under foot. The earthly one was and the Maccabees cleansed the scantuary of the false high priest Dec. 9th 168 bc exactly 2300 days after tit was poluted. Scripture, fulfillment and history says your 1844 nonsense was a made up lie.
@@treefellonya it says he went to the father and sat down!!( after he presented himself.).. until he makes you his footstool Psalms 110! Hebrews 7 says there's a changing of the law.) He doesn't practice levite law Anymore. But (that's about the true Jesus).. your Jesus is not the true Jesus you have the 1844 levite Jesus )that puts the sins on the back of the( devil.) Making Jesus Christ be the Devil himself in Leviticus 16:10 blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12: 31+32! You see that's the issue. There is no forgiveness ..so now you need to keep the law. ..Which is a death sentence!
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law. Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you! Believers are no longer led or under the schoolmaster of the law! Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Adventists are led and are under the schoolmaster of the law! Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What Adventist fail to understand is sin is overcomed by GRACE...not by the sevies pityful efforts in law keeping. Pray for this cult and its false gospel.
Simple question MATE, is it okay, to murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, etc? The point you glaringly miss, is that, when the Holy Spirit indwells humanity, THE LAW IS KEPT. It's a law of Love. If you understood the verse you're quoting (Romans 3:19) you would know that the condemnation of the law condemns those who are under the law and not those in the spirit of the Law. Hebrews 8:8"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord..." Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts...":
@@lyonpaque3100 its so difficult to talk to someone who doesnt know how to use their bible. FYI, law doesnt prevent sin! You see mate law increase the knowledge of sin! Grace conquers sin! Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. But as SDA belief is the law is still binding placing themselves under the power of the curse of the law I will need to explain what that law is and to who it applies. Lets start shall we? 1) The law is the covenant ten commandments. T/F ?
@@bop-ya-good just because we are under grace it doesn’t mean we can murder,steal,cheat etc.If you love God and your fellow man you are not going to do bad things.Out of love toward God it comes automatically to do good.Salvation it’s not about works but faith without works is dead.Again just because I am saved I am not running around shooting people.This guy talks a lot of vegetables.
I am not a member of any church. I did a little study with Mormons. A little study with JW's, they both come a knocking. My husband was a RC & l have stacks of that theology that l have saved & filed along with the other. Now, l can tell you l have studied deeply with SDA's and EGW never claimed to be a prophet. The church claims that & l agree with them. She herself never claimed to be a prophet. As you read her writings, she never says anything contrary to scripture that l have found. I think God uses her to explain the meaning to make it easier to understand. My RC husband once said, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Adventists are in first place." I tend to think, this post is splitting a lot of hairs. Yes, Satan is Suttle. Although l am not a member of the SDA church, it would be my 1st choice. AMEN!
There is no religion/Church today that has not deviated from the truths of the Bible. As for SDA they have even deviated from the words of Ellen White “Christ is not equal to God Almighty”
My brother who's living with us is a SDA. He's constantly trying to force his beliefs down our throats. My husband and I are true ordinary religious Christians and find the situation so difficult that we now asked him to look for another place to live ❤
Best wishes on your relationship going forward. The Bible supports your decision. You are not to allow a cult member to come into your home, much less live there. A little yeast leavens the whole bread.
@@s_hrndz0119 That would be impossible, since it is the only Church on Earth that has the whole truth. If you are being told to stay away from Adventist truth, its either that you do not want to give up your rebellion, or Satan is steering you to another path.
@@treefellonyaAh really? Adventism was officially founded in 1863, not even 200 years ago. So please do tell sir if the SDA Church is the only church on earth that has the whole truth who had the “truth” for over 1,800 years before them ??
He or she who is without disease please let me know and I will gladly sign up and join that church..blessings and joy continue increasing unto you and yours in Christ Name Amen Shalome !
It might depending on the power that's preventing the diseases for what you use to get rid of them. My grandmother could do witchcraft and make it go away! She was a church member. Did you want to join her church! And the deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the Beast
No Adventist has ever claimed to be free from disease, so what you're saying is purely sarcasm. Adventists tend to be HEALTHIER than the average person. That's been proven by non-Adventist studies, as well as Adventists.
Seventh day adventist is not a cult, some people are very zealous about this religion, some people can be too strict and can be just plain rude. We believe in the Bible as the only truth. That is why we go to church on the Sabbath. As a whole, we don't believe in condemning people for their believes. I'm sorry to those who had deal with rude and judgmental people in this faith, In the end, there are rude people wherever you go. It should be about having a relationship with God first, then a church.
Well let's see what you actually are saying. This is not rude or judgmental this is what (Ellen White says) your Jesus is!. Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing !when you understand this. In the investigative judgment August 31st. Maranatha page 251. She says the The second goat of Leviticus. Of the old sanctuary process. (Becomes the the devil)!!!!!!! the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which is what (Jesus said he does in 1st Peter chapter 2:24!. ) So now you're Jesus is the devil! (She says the sins are not ever blotted out!) Denying! What God Says in Isaiah 43 verse 25. By claiming the devil is the sin bear !) she also destroys 1st Peter 2:24! She completely destroyed the cross !with a false Jesus! The Jesus she's speaking of in 1844) is a levite Jesus)!!!! and Hebrew 7 says he is from the tribe of Judah )!!!!and not about the law! You can be perfectly happy with the devil in that congregation you're speaking of!!! but that's all you're doing! If you're believing Ellen! (You see she broke the first commandment) and, is asking you to do the same thing! That is your belief system! And your comfortably numb with that!
The devil used the scripture in the opposite side to day, as he had used against eve and Adam from the beginning in the garden of Eden, thanks you brother Jim for well define clearing the scripture. .
Poem of the SDA`s Salvation. Those who accept the Saviour, with hearts pure and true Their conversion sincere, their faith shining bright and new But never should they be taught, to say or to feel That they are saved, for this is not entirely real For our journey's not complete, until we reach the end And though we strive for righteousness, temptations will still bend So we must always be mindful, and seek His guiding light To lead us to salvation, and make our wrongs take flight For we are but human, with weaknesses that we hold And of ourselves, we cannot save, and never should be bold To say we're saved, for that's a matter for the Lord And only He can judge us, and bestow His holy word So let us always be humble, and trust in His great grace And walk the path of righteousness, with humility and faith For only then, when our time comes, shall we hear Him say "Well done, good and faithful servant, enter into heaven's way.
@@bobreese4807 my salvation is in the finished work of he cross. His works not mine. Adventists have a different righteousness mate. Paul explains this .... Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. This is the false gospel of adventism and Ellen.
@@bop-ya-good You are a parrot victim of modern antinomian Pharisees , mentioned in 2 PET 3:16. You don't know what the gospel and salvation mean. PAUL?? Read Rom 2:13, 3:31, 5:9 &10, 8:4, 1 Cor 7:19 and Phil 2:12...Tit 3:5 Run for your life from Calvin or evangelical heretics!!!
@@JamieElison Its the righteousness as described by Paul...Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. They are on probationary salvation.
I've been getting the impression that those who are trying to prove the 7th-Day Adventist understanding of God's plan of salvation for the fallen human race is unbiblical have not studied the topic with the honesty of purpose of a true disciple of Jesus, the Messiah. And it's a very true and helpful statement to say that we need to be led into the Truth by the Spirit of Truth and should not listen to men, especially if they regard themselves as educated and "qualified".
@@charnelallan7159..You yourself should keep your eyes fixed on Jesus Christ the author and the finisher of our faith, to make sure your house is in order, let God and God alone judge the SDA people , if we are against him and his will, he will judge us accordingly..not this preacher or any other so called Christian condemning sda and called them cult..may God have mercy on your soul.. before you picked the speck out of your brother's eye, make sure you take the log out of your eye first.. good day..
They say that our sins were placed on the scape goat,that is a dangerous lie,our sins were placed on Jesus,they say the mark of the beast is keeping Sunday worship,that is a lie,the mark of the beast is a chip that will be placed on the forehead or in the hand or you cannot buy or sell,they say that the non Christian will be burnt up,that is a lie,hell is eternal,man is made up of body,soul,and spirit,after death he still lives forever,Luke chapter 16, either heaven or hell,they say they have replaced Israel,a big lie,they have not replaced Israel,Israel exists today and will have 7 years to recognize Jesus as their as their messiah,they say they are the 144000 in revelation,the Jehovah witnesses say the same nonsense ,the 144000 are Jews,the names of their tribes are mentioned
Thank you Pastor Tim! Now I understand that God has a people, just like Israel, who have a truth to reach out to a world that is perishing for lack of truth. SDA administers a liberating truth about God that I hope one day you too will understand and receive!
Matthew 13:52, 53 "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old." Old and new things...like the law of God, the old and new testaments. Blessings as you study God's Word.
@@Musicmadedifferent To be honest, I have not viewed it. If it's more anti-Sabbath, anti-Adventism video, I don't feel like wasting my time. I only want to say the Bible teaches that the commandments stand, including the 4th. If I'm wrong please show me where from scripture.
But the investigative judgment says the devil becomes (Jesus Christ). Did you ever read it?. The prophecies you're being taught here are all lies ,because I know them all. It took me three seconds to realize what they did( with the 2300 days) that belong in Daniel 8... All's you have said is (you never learned anything in the Bible where you were)!! and now you think you are.!( That's how they hook you,!) They don't have the real Jesus!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv quote---Well they don't have the Jesus Christ of Hebrews 7 that makes them a cult--unquote THAT IS AN OPINION with NO facts!!! CULT: #1----a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. "the cult of St. Olaf" #2----a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. "a network of Satan-worshiping cults" Similar: sect religious group denomination religious order church faith faith community belief persuasion affiliation movement group body faction clique #3----a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders" Looks to me that EVERY religion/idealogy FITS every definition!!! >>>>
It's not a cult but currently they are not preaching what they are supposed to teach and preach... Daniel and Revelation and we are God's movement of Revelation 14
Adventists are on Probation! The poor sevy isnt saved! He is in an Investigative Judgement! Only his past sins are dealt with on the cross and the binding law is still judging them! Horrors.... Paul describe this righteousness ....let me Quote.... Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Us, that are actually saved have the righteousness of Christ fully! Given as a free Gift.......Adopted as a son, we can do something adventists cant do and call out Abba Father for we are righteous not trying to be righteous by obeying laws! Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Now I understand MATE!!!. You want to be saved by the righteousness of Christ, but continue to lie, steal, commit adultery and murder. What you fail to understand; God's law is Love. If the Holy Spirit indwells you, the Law of Love is automatically kept in you. My Goodness, haven't you heard that God is His Law? This is not complicated!!
@@lyonpaque3100 First, you dont not understand. Second you are agreeing with paul description of righteousness. LOOK im quoting your belief from pauls writings....for you....! Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. T/F At least a small thankyou would be appreciated. So you are trying to keep the law mate, hows that going for you?
Bless you dear Pastor Tim for opening my full understanding of what all this is about. I thank God for the very great gift He has given you to explain it so very clearly. Thank you too that you know all about the very evil cult of Roman Catholicism out of which I, my late husband and my daughter with which I now live were by the very great grace of God delivered out of away back in 1982 praise God. Hope to hear you again very many times and may God very greatly bless you in every aspect of your life and loving Christian Greetings all the way from Ireland from this 84 year old at nearly 1 am and full of praise for God my Loving Heavenly Father who by the Holy Spirit led me to this time of very great blessing tonight.
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law. Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you!
And God said "Remember" perhaps also in the sense of, not that it has been forgotten but as an admonition to ensure that we take that time to rest and more importantly, to spend with Him. Remember the day. Don't get so busy, so caught up in your earthly life that you neglect the great honor of spending time with Him on His holy day, the 7th day Sabbath. I had something else but it's gone from me. Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
The investigative judgment August 31l Ellen G white estates , sharing the vision, three-and-a-half paragraphs down in Jesus Christ as priests, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them on the scapegoat ,bearing the sins for his role was sent away into the land not inhabited. you got to remember both of these goats had to be (perfect).. and there was lots cast, who would be the one to be sacrificed ,the other one would be the goat that bears the sin's....( Jesus said he does both)!!!!! Ellen makes( one of those the devil .). She says christ...(will place the sins upon Satan.)!.... (making making him be the sin Bearer ) (making Jesus and the devil partners for your salvation)!!! so the devil becomes Jesus Christ!!!..( he loves it)! this is not 1st Peter 2:24 !this is who (she said you are serving ) ..it's exactly what the devil is going to do ,when he (incarnates the Antichrist at the end of time! )...and you're worried about him!
@@jimbob1644 OK, this is not your fault and it can be kind of hard to wrap your head around. I suggest praying for discernment before proceeding. Jesus bore our sins to the cross and paid, in full, for the sins of every human being. Will Jesus bear our sins forever? God forbid, and if you understand the sanctuary service you know that He transferred our sins to the sanctuary. As part of his punishment, the devil will be made to feel the pain and misery he caused by his rebellion. Is it not fitting that he should be made to suffer for all the trouble he caused? In the end he will be made to feel, or bear if you will, all the misery his rebellion caused. In that sense he will bear sin. Not that he will atone for it. Jesus has done that. Only He could do that. In the sanctuary service, on the day of atonement, one goat is sacrificed and His blood is carried and sprinkled within the most holy place. That goat is a "type" of Jesus whoseblood was shed for our sins. The other goat, or type of the devil, has the peoples sins symbolically transferred to it and is bannished to the wilderness, a symbol of hell. A fitting end for him wouldn't you say? Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@williamstroud1455 how long does it going to take you to understand that 1844 never happened... And what happened there according to you destroys the cross! because everything you're saying is what Jesus did at the cross!. He said it's finished!! The levitical law was done!!!! Hebrews chapter 7 read it.! Verse 11 12 13 and 14. It's not about the law! He changed it!. he's from the tribe of Judah) he's not practicing levite law! what's going on there is a levite thing! And you're saying it wasn't finished! You're blaspheming what he did at the cross!. And you're saying it wasn't finished at the cross..((( Isaiah 45: 25) (If they're blotted out and they're remembered no more)!!!...( what's sin is going to be placed on your demonic devil)!!! (It's not written in the old or new!.) That Ellen creates it...( apparently that's not important to you. )!You're destroying every scripture texts describing what Jesus did to fit your narrative!
@@williamstroud1455 you're just blaspheming what Jesus did at the cross! (when he said it's finished !)apparently you don't know he blots out your sins! and he remembers them no more!( Isaiah 45: 25.) He did that he immediately after he paid the penalty !! ( You're saying your sins are still remembered )!!!and they're going to be with the devil)!!! So it's not finished that's why you're saying that!. That's demonic!!! that's not Jesus Christ ..that's is not the 1st Peter 2:24 .you don't have salvation. and you don't have Jesus !I do understand! About the Old testament sanctuary. That's just not happening in heaven! but he said it's finished he's from the tribe of Judah! not from the law Hebrews 7..( your Jesus is a levite Jesus )!there is no such thing! Going from the outer Court to the inner Court. And saying it's still not finished at the cross. you see I know the prophecy of Daniel 8 if you knew it and believed the truth of the Bible .(you know you're in a cult!). Daniel 8 is about the Antichrist at the end of time! The functioning time is 2300 days!
@@williamstroud1455 they're blocking my response to you I'll try again. Isaiah 43:25. When that happened right after the cross. What sins are you talkin about!???? All's you're saying is you're not forgiven! That's the difference between Christians and people from SDA. Jesus said if you believe Him. Like Abraham. you're saved! present past and future! he knows what you're going to do. You're saying no that's not true right. You've got a levite Jesus) read Hebrews chapter 7 that's not what it's about! You're blaspheming Jesus! I do know the levitical law! The changing of the law ,Jesus tells you in Hebrews 7! He's from the tribe of Judah! not about the law! he said it's finished at the cross! You're saying the cross has nothing to do with you! Based on 1st Peter 2:24 and Isaiah!
This man may be sincere with his faith and understanding of scripture as many of us are. But Eve was also sincere when she approached Adam with the forbidden fruit. Sincerity has its place in our relationship with God, but its not what saves us. It is the Word of God. He mentioned about a book in the mail that did not have SDA on it, implying that they are being deceptive, but why would they put the name of their church on it, when you have people like this men making people prejudiced against them? I just finished reading about the leper Jesus healed in Mark 1:43-45. Jesus, "having sternly warned him," said, "See that you speak nothing to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a testimony to them." Why did Jesus say this to him? Mark tells us. "But having gone out, he began to proclaim much and to spread abroad the matter, so that He was no longer able to enter openly into the city, but He was out in solitary places." The Jewish leaders always hindered the work of Christ and His disciples, and Jesus had to warn the cleansed leper to not tell anyone that Jesus healed him so that these prejudiced leaders don't hinder his work. This man in this video is also hindering the work of the SDA church. I understand the concern he has, but he is mistaken about this church, just like the Jews are still mistaken about Christianity. Nothing new under the sun.
But if SDA doesn't have the right Jesus!!! you want me to prove it???? Another words the 1844 Jesus the Helen White Jesus saves no one!!!!!.. if that's your Jesus ..you're not saved.. you can grandstand all you want. you and the Pope.
@@shibahtash4700 absolutely right I've studied this study this cult from core. root. Because one of my friends got caught up in this cult.. at this point he has no salvation nor does he know a thing about prophecy ..anymore .because this is what I've done all my life. is study prophecy. which is been 50 years. the Cornerstone of their theology comes from the core of what I've studied .which is the Book of Daniel .and if you don't understand Daniel 8 you can't understand any Prophecy in the Bible! and their false prophet destroyed it! so they have no prophecy they have no truth and they have no Jesus! because Daniel 8 (she made a levite Jesus) going from the outer Court to the inner Court..( parently that Jesus didn't say it's finished at the cross )..they're taught to teach that from their ministers .and I have listened to some of the great ones. .the devil has got the whole group in ones place.. and he's not releasing hardly any of them!
You can't decide if they're the true church when you are in error. You keep Sunday holy which is a doctrine started by Catholicism, along with Easter and Christmas etc
Sharing the vision. Ellen G white estates. The investigative judgment maranatha. page 251. Google it.. it'll come up in 3 seconds. In the middle of the third paragraph. (Ellen says the devil becomes the sin bearer) of Leviticus 16: 10. When Jesus said he does that 1st Peter 2:24. Hebrews 9:28. Ellen says the sins are placed on the devil for all of time !and they never go away .they're never blotted out and they're always remembered. Destroying what Jesus said In Isaiah 43 verse 25. Claiming that the devil is part of the atonement. Saying that what the devil does the work of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12,:31+32 blaspheming the Holy Spirit! She says that is your Jesus! Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing! Look who your Jesus is!
@jimbob1644 you're twisting what is mentioned in the book. It doesn't say that Satan is part of the atonement. I'm not sure if English is your first language or not, it's not not my first language and I understand what the paragraph says.
You're right she doesn't tell you that. The second goat is Jesus Christ ) of Leviticus 16:10. ( she put the devil in the position of Jesus Christ. )!!!The second goat of Leviticus 1610 is Jesus Christ)!!! Atoning for the sins of people.)) (She says the devil is in that position!!)!! and Jesus Christ is not there! Which is ( attributing to the Devil himself with Jesus Christ did it the cross.!!! You have no atonement !!!and you have no Jesus. !!You use the word Jesus but you have nothing !!!you're not saved!! To attribute to the Devil with what Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit does himself... is blaspheming the holy spirit Matthew 12! If you get baptized in the SDA Church. you agree that that is the truth.( the investigative judgment .)otherwise you can't be a member!
No I get the feeling to observe or not observe is not the problem here Paster Tim has gone on record saying observing the sabbath is okay but do it unto the lord hope this helps to provide background here
I joined the charismatic church last year and it seemed as if I was bound by a spirit of pride and fanaticism when God FREED ME she came to my school with tears of concern for me life... She wept over my then - current condition and prayed with me with tears and gave me food to eat and a belt for my torn trousers My mother and uncle fell from the sda church but today they smile as they remember the teachings of their Adventist mother. My uncle sang about john one day when he wAs drunk and sang adventist songs, it seems leaving the church brought him many griefs but now he misses home .
There still seems to be residual 1888 problems in the Church. Most people don't have a clue as to what that means, but it is important since so many people still live on one side of 1888 or the other.
Cults are arrogant and think that they are the only ones who can be saved. They all have unique beliefs about JESUS that no one else has. ● JESUS was created. ● JESUS is an archangel. ● JESUS was only human and was chosen to be the Messiah. ● JESUS is his own FATHER or THE FATHER is really JESUS. ● JESUS was a prophet and not the savior. ● We are equal to JESUS. ● The Trinity is pagan. Cults may not recognize that all things were created through JESUS and without Him nothing exists (John 1 : 1 through 5 and Colossians 1 : 16). Some do accep it but it is their beliefs about who JESUS is that makes them a cult. Cults will argue that they have the correct interpretation of the sceiptures even though no one has ever taught what they do. Cults will add and subtract from the scriptures.
As an Adventist of many years standing I have to agree with this presentation sadly. I say sadly because I have many good friends in the church who have been gullible just like me and believed in the authority which the church leadership has attributed to Ellen White and the teaching of the investigative judgment of 1844. But no more. Be careful not to be too hard on the church members it’s the leaders at the top that are going to face God one day. There are many “loving and lovable Christian’s” to quote EGW. in the Adventist Church. Thanks
U are totaly rong,BECOS THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THE SABBATH DAY.THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)IS NOT WRITTEN DAT THE LORD JESUS BLESS THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)BUT THE 7DAY SABBATH (Exodus ch20:vs 8-11
Your Sabbath day has nothing to do with it ...when you have their Ellen White Jesus... her Jesus is the 1844 Jesus you have no salvation... that went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. putting the sins of the people on the back of the( devil )which( makes the devil the sin Bearer).. when the Jesus of the Bible says (he is our sin Bearer )!!the one that is Hebrews chapter 7... not the levite Jesus your false prophet Ellen (created )going from the outer Court to the inner Court.( that Jesus stole the cross.) and you have no salvation..!!! you can preach all he want you have nothing.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv if you dont keep the sabbath you break the whole law and will receive the madk of the beast we obey not to be saved but willfull disobedience like cain is not well received by God all sunday churches are babylon
I attend a Adventist Church and they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. They might quote some of her Writings. However our Bible Study consist of Studying Scripture and speaking about it. The whole SDA is a Cult is completely off the mark and very sad really. These are good Christian Folks and they shouldn't be slandered. If you believe that Jesus is Lord you are my Brother or Sister. Please just approach us will Love and Respect. We honor the word of God. I mean not to knock Catholics people themselves but if anyone's a Cult it's Catholics. They believe some very bizarre things that aren't in scripture. Like purgatory, praying for absolution, Mary having perpetual virginity, that the Eucharist is the Literal Blood and Body of Christ??? Which is scientifically untrue if you tested the wine that they give or the little wafer I'm sorry it doesn't have a Humans DNA. It is SYMBOLIC. WHEN CHRIST FIRST GAVE OUT THE EUCHARIST HE GAVE IT OUT IT WASN'T LIKE HE CUT OPEN HIS HAND AND PUT BLOOD IN A CUP AND CUT OFF HIS FINGER AND FED IT TO PEOPLE! It was symbol of his Divine Nature. Also that you can pray to Saints as a Mediator between you and God. Jesus said "I am the way I am the truth No one comes to the Father unless through me!". Catholicism was basically Roman paganism rebranded. Saints Replaced Roman Gods. Peter was NOT a Pope and there is NO evidence he was in Rome. The first Leader of the Church after Christ was JAMES THE JUST!, We know this because it's actually in the Bible. Read Paul's Letters. The Center of Power for Early Christianity was Jerusalem not Rome. Paul was the one who brought Christ's message to Rome. Peter and James wanted Gentiles to follow Jewish Customs of circumcision and Kosher. Paul called them out "Right to his Face" about it. That faith in Christ is enough. That faith in Christ is a New covenant. The Catholic Church was created by Constantine the Great when he converted in 336AD, His Wife traveled to Jerusalem to find holy relics and to find specific places like where Christ was crucified. They intentionally made Rome the seat of Power for the New Church for Political Reasons. They needed to justify it so they took "On this Rock" verse out of Context and claimed Peter was the First Pope given Divine Authority. Which is not in scripture! Paul called Peter out! If Peter had Devine Authority, Paul would have never done such a Thing. Also we have a Non Biblical Source that James the Just was the leader of the Church from Josephus antiquity of the Jews. He tells how James was stoned to Death. Peter was a Jewish Christian and followed Torah and the Old covenant. I have spoke to so many Catholics and they're just so ignorant about their own doctrine. I literally spoke to a woman who is a chaplain for the Catholics and she had no idea of the Mary perpetual virginity Doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches. She was completely clueless. And the fact of the matter is that Catholics treat prayer exactly how Christ instructed us not to. They treat it as some sort of mantra some sort of ritualistic activity. When Christ told us "When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words" Repeating the same words over and over "Hail Mary" is completely against Christ's instructions. Prayer is an private and intimate relationship with God. It's you speaking to God. Not from a que card, not from a pre written prayer. It's like this "Father, please forgive me my sin of Lust, I want to better, I want be better, please protect my children during my operation coming up, sometimes I do not feel worthy of your Grace, I will keep my faith strong Father, in Jesus Name I pray" and when you Pray, do it in Private so no one can see you. You aren't Praying to be seen by others. People who do that are doing it for Public Praise, not for their true Relationship with God. All of this is in Scripture. If only a Catholic would simply READ THE GOSPELS!. As far as Seven Day Adventist Church goes. Each Church is granted a lot of autonomy. You'll never find two Adventist churches that are the same. This Church I started attending about a year ago. Everything they have preached has been based in Scripture. People wear regular clothes, they drink coffee, they eat meat and we have just regular conversations. Just standard Protestant Faith. I can't speak of the Historical aspect of the Church of Ellen G White and being a Prophet having visions. I can speak of how my Church practices the Faith. It's all based on the Bible
I am sorry for anyone who belong to an Adventist Church that was extremely legalistic and preached false doctrine of Ellen G White being a Prophet. I think she was simply divinely inspired much like how I believe Martin Luther was divinely inspired. The Holy Spirit works through us to deliver God's Message. There is nothing controversial about that.
@@starcityrc3298 if being legalistic means you don't steal, commit adultery, covet, lie, worship or bow down to other gods, etc, then Paul, Peter, James, Jude and the other disciples were legalist because they wrote in their letters, "if he says he knows Him but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar and the truth is not in him. the word prophet or prophetess is translated from the words nabiy and nebiyah, (pronounced naw-bee and nee-bee-yaw, meaning inspired or in some cases one with a message) she, mrs. white did not write the doctrines. she was there in case the leaders, which she held no such title, while they studied scripture to form the teachings. doctrines. the adventist church teaches that true faith in Christ Jesus brings an obedience out of love for what He has done not just for us, but also in us thru the work of the Holy Spirit. if that is legalism, then all Christians should be a legalist.
@@jeffsimpson7282 no Christian does what you're suggesting anyway !!..well how does that make you righteous!!! you got the 1844 Jesus )!!! That doesn't forgive sins!! (That's your real big issue)!!! you have no salvation! You can keep the law all you want ..you were going nowhere!!!
@@starcityrc3298 no she was completely demonic !she had security issues from the time she was a child! That is most likely why the other girl hit her with a rock!! and when she had her first Vision that( embolden her) but it wasn't a vision!! From God !!people granted her credibility! It was a way they could save their congregation they built everything on A lie...from their forward!!! And that caused her to love it.. she was now the center of attention.!!!from then on, she had as many she needed to keep her security ..all you need to do is subtract 457 from 2300.. a true Prophet can't lie !!! that's the first lie !!!that destroyed Daniel 8! and Daniel 9:27! because the 2300 days are a piece of that prophecy !!!and every Prophecy from their forward!!! ... Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you to( understand this) you never have.!!!.. the lie about the 1844 misinterpreted scripture text in Daniel 8.that created an (1844 Jesus) that would have had to be (a levite )!! that does not save anybody ....because Jesus of Hebrews 7 was from the tribe of Judah) and (not about the law)... he said it's finished!!!!!!! it's[ finished at the cross ]!!!!and he was the( sin Bearer )...[[[[.The Ellen White Jesus does neither)))) it's a cult!!! I can explain it in detail right down to every word meaning and Daniel 8 (and everyday of the 2300 days)!!!!!!!!.. and everyday and every date and Daniel 9:27 (to the day)!!! which attaches itself to seven other chapters of the (same subject pretty much throughout the scripture )!!! She is totally demonic!!! I have studied this for 50 years the uploader has only givin you a very small piece of this picture!!
@@starcityrc3298 no she was completely demonic.. she had security issues since she was a child. that's most likely why the other girl hit her in the head with The Rock. And when she discovered having visions that would embolden her... But it wasn't a vision from God. !!!And beings sda was collapsing they used her!. To save the congregation !and built everything on the 1844 lie !!that never happened.. which changed every prophecy of Daniel 8 and Daniel 9:27 but just to SDA ..and ( not Christian's) because Christians understand this!!!!!! because all the prophecy hangs on those two texts for the future. That's why nothing they preach today is true !! They have the Jesus of 1844 because that Jesus does not save anyone!! For if that were true.. that would have to be at( Levite Jesus and Jesus !!! (The Jesus of the Bible is from the tribe of Judah) and not about the law Hebrews chapter 7!!!!!. And he said it's finished at the cross !!! but that is not what Ellen White's Jesus does! The 2300 days are in the middle of Daniel 9:27 with the (agreement for Daniel 8 )Jesus told you to understand this!! In Matthew 24:15 I don't think you do! otherwise you would never have been in SDA in the first place!
The New Testament teaches that there is only ONE Creator (the Almighty Father; Holy Spirit), and only ONE Begotten Son (Jesus the Christ; the Living Word), and only ONE Written Word (the Bible; Scripture), and only ONE Church... which Jesus claimed and referred to specifically as, "... His church" (Matthew 16:18). Jesus clearly mentioned how he would build His Church, and only His Church. He did not make any reference whatsoever to any other church. One Church, and ONLY one Church, exists in the universe... to which Jesus Christ is the Head of, and His followers make up the Body of Christ. The Bible instructs the followers of and believers in Jesus to stop here. Period. And not to go any further, for to do so would be to "add to Scripture." Adding anything else to this concerning denominations, the "trinity", "KJV only", etc... is all the wisdom of man who received it [as a thought/idea/suggestion] from the leader of the opposing army to Jesus, and often referred to as "satan". So if the conception of anything beyond Scripture starts with the enemy (satan), then it is all demonic. To be "demonic" (by defintion) is to be "resembling, or characteristic of demons or evil spirits." One Creator. One Son. One Written Word. One Church. That's it. Anything added to that [or subtracted from] has a foundation built by demons. Being a follower of (believer) Jesus, the Only Begotten Son of the Father, is sufficient. All denominations accomplish is to create division among professed disciples of Jesus through the allegiance to their [whichever] organization, leaders, doctrines, etc. Denominations among His followers are not anywhere in Scripture nor mentioned by Jesus (who clearly opposed them); they came from man who was initially given the thought [by Satan] whenever it was the concept began. If a person recognizes and partakes in them, they subsequently and incorrectly validate the denominations as scriptural and become guilty of "adding to Scripture". Identifying as anything other than a "born-again believer" or "follower of Jesus" or anything similar, is to follow "mans wisdom" and not the words and teachings of Jesus. Stop adding to Scripture. Stop subtracting from Scripture. The written Word of the Almighty Creator is just fine without your assistance, and it doesn't need anyone's suggestions, thoughts, or whatever else to make it better or easier to understand. The Almighty Father did not decide to have man begin a new "remnant church" defined as a "... visible, historical, organized body characterized by obedience to the commandments of God and the possession of a unique end-time gospel." It would be somewhere in the New Testament if legitimate, yet it is nowhere. It is just another example of the thousands of false "doctrines of demons" as the Bible refers to and warns of. If you were to do minimal research on Ellen White, you would see that she is a fraud, and so is the entire movement. Have you ever spoken to or read anything written by someone claiming to be a member of the 7th Day Adventist?? They quote the writings of Ellen White 95% of the time, and the other 5% shared by the words of Jesus and the various authors who were led and inspired by the Holy Spirit. Ellen White's inspiration was herself and other members of the religion she helped create. Stay away from anything taught in the 7th Day Adventist teachings that are not supported by Scripture. www.wayoflife.org/.../a_warning_about_seventh_day... A born-again believer should minimize their following of man as Scripture instructs and focus on Jesus, the Living Word and Only Begotten Son of the Father. No "trinity" is mentioned in Scripture; just a a few incorrectly understood verses. Therefore, by definition, it is a "doctrine of demons". Jesus said he did nothing without the Father (Holy Spirit), but he never said he did anything with "god the Holy Spirit", nor made a single reference. The Father exalted Jesus, and He now sits at His right hand and is equal to the Father, and all that the Father has He has given to the Son for He loves His Son; "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things in His hand. The one believing in the Son has eternal life. But the one disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him”. (John 3:35-36) If the Almighty Creator (referred to as "god the father") were equal to Jesus (referred to as "god the son") before His resurrection, than how did He exalt Him in the first place?? One of equal status to another is not capable of raising that other, for by what authority, superiority, or higher rank is there to do so if the two entities are equal to begin with?? Definition of exalt: "raise to a higher rank or a position of greater power." How can one who is no "greater" or "less than" capable of advancing or raising that other to a higher rank?? And why would there be a need for any of them (the trinity 3) to exalt the other if they are all equal?? And how would it be even possible for the Father to give Jesus anything if equal to one another, and already accounting for 2/3rds of the trinity?? etc, etc, etc. Stay away from anything and everything to do with a trinity, triune, 3-in-1 god, or whatever other name you want to refer to this destructive and demonic doctrine as. There is better or more perfect leader (King) in this world, and there is only One King that you can trust 100% without a shadow of a doubt; and His name is Jesus, the Christ and Only Begotten Son of the Father. Jesus is either the Only Begotten Son of the Almighty Father, which He is and which is easily proven many times over in the Word... OR, He is "god the son", which is 100% false, makes no sense whatsoever, and is never mentioned in Scripture and therefore cannot be supported or proven. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO [SIMULTANEOUSLY] BE "THE SON OF THE ONE TRUE CREATOR" AND "GOD THE SON"... SO WHICH ONE IS IT?? Is He the Son of His Father, which is taught, supported by, and can be proven within the Holy Scripture... or is He, "god the son", which is NOT in the Written Word, and which WAS conceived by demons, and is also influenced and supported by demons and with the help of [deceived] man. Are you still incapable of figuring out who "god the holy spirit" is?? Can you not think of one entity created by The Father and through The Son (as were we) whose desire to be "worshipped" was so great that he lost everything?? If you can figure out who desires worship more than any other creation ever made in existence, than you have just discovered who "god the holy spirit" truly is and who you have been praying to and worshipping whenever you teach, preach, or believe anything other than ONE FATHER and ONE SON. If anyone attempts to preach/teach anything to you that cannot proven within the Holy Scriptures, and continue to do so even after being corrected or rebuked... follow them no more.
Blasphemy? I dont know who this Scofield person is, so I have no comment on him. But please consider this. Did not Jesus have to send His disciples to re-teach Jews how the messianic prophecies were fulfilled by Christ? Jesus commanded them to preach the gospel and all the things He taught them. And what do we see throughout His earthly ministry? We see Jesus often having to correct the people's theological understandings. His disciples had to do the same thing. Why? Why was there a need for that? What the devil did with the Jewish people in leading them to misunderstand much of the scriptures, and corrupting the scriptures, he has done with Christians. Not everything Christians believe is wrong, but there are several issues that need to be re-evaluated. God still has to be raising up people among Christians to bring people back to true meanings of Scripture. And right along all that the devil does not stay behind. He is right at work and uses people he has deceived to counteract what God is striving to do for all of us. God still chooses to use people to help people. Its how He has always operated. Its up to us, with the help of God, to know who is from God and who is not. The bible gives us a few major things to help us with this. 1) The help of the Holy Spirit. 2) Isaiah 8:20. To the law and testimony. 3) Matthew 7:15-20 we shall recognize them by their fruit.
My experience with the SDA is nothing like any of these comments are saying? I have no idea where this slander is coming from. Why there is so much hate and animosity. If you walked into the church I go to and nobody told you it was an SDA church you would never know. You would just assume it's a run of the mill Protestant Church. The people are warm and welcoming. My Church actually was one of the few that stood up against the COVID Lockdowns and refused to close the doors. We believe in being saved by Grace Alone. Everything we base our beliefs on is in Scripture.. Ellen G White is rarely ever mention at my Church. Typically just a quote or two. We focus on what's actually important. The Bible. We will read a verse and then it's an open format to discuss. Anyone is welcome to attend. One of my Favorite Christian Speaker is Dr. Michael Brown. Just to give you some perspective. I really enjoy Lee Strobels content as well. I will pray for those of you with unwarranted Hate against my Church. If you believe Christ is Lord. You are my Brothers and sisters. Please don't hate us. New Creation Seventh-day adventist church in Lancaster County, Nebraska
This guy really is ''picking and choosing'' to make a case, but still gets his tongue in knots with truth. see 55:52. 56:22 LOL cat got your tongue brother Tim? LOL. SDA doctrine is Bible based, period. Anyone could do the same thing to ''Pastor Tims'' teachings so whats his point? No SDA is afraid of what they believe. They would be happy to come by to one of these meetings and answer for themselves. Does that seem reasonable?
Sda's are afraid of what they believe because the Devils got their mind!! because when the( curse of Galatians 1 one kicks in they don't know the truth)!!! see your false prophet Ellen destroyed Daniel 8. so you don't know one Prophecy in the Bible!!!( you can't interpret Daniel 8 through 14 it would be impossible if your SDA!!! I have studied the scriptures for 50 years. On these prophecies.( it took me 3 seconds to understand the LIE of SDA) and it took me one second to see yours... see your Jesus is the( Ellen White Jesus) of 1844 that puts the sins of the people on the back of the( devil which makes the devil to sin Bearer) and makes that Jesus a levite Jesus !!!!there is no such thing) because the Jesus of the Bible is in Hebrews chapter 7 !!from the tribe of (Judah) also you said yes you can grandstand all you want but you don't have salvation !!!!nor do you have the real Jesus !!!until you get the real Jesus you're not going to understand a thing here..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv It's clear you have a very unhealthy hatred for SDA ...thats not a good thing my sister. Somebody has fed you a lot of nonsense about the SDA faith and thats sad. Now you insist I'm frightened and beings you have 50 years in your Bible and i don't can we pick a topic from Scripture and compare our differences? I'm waiting but not holding my breath. Sincerity, your brother in the faith, Mike
@@michaelreyes8182 yeah give me the interpretation of Daniel 8 verse 8 through 14..( in its context )..!!! tell me what each verse means...( don't take anything away from it don't add anything to it!!!! don't leave Daniel 8!!! you can use anything that is in Daniel 8. but nothing else!!! and then give me the meaning of Daniel 9:27... do not leave the Bible ...don't add anything to it ..Daniel 9:27 I don't care where else you go to. in the Bible but don't add anything that's (not written in Scripture) just because your mind might take you there does not make it true...!!! unless you can (prove it belongs( in that text)!! .. I need the option to show you what Jesus himself said about the topic... which is not in Daniel 8 ..but he tells you to look there..and understand...so I need to be able to show that to you!!!....I'm waiting on you!! I noticed you've already made the decision that there's( hate )involved there's no hate involved here !!!except for the devil that created this cult!!!!!!!anyway so you're starting out with a judgment call that you know nothing off.
Can I sit in on this one. Because this is going to get good..!!. Because I have never seen an SDA person know what he believes. And and can support the belief system using Bible only!!! Without leaving the Bible.... Because the Bible interprets itself completely!!!
This guys a piece of work. I’m a seventh day Adventist and you are saved by grace. The sabbath that is in the Ten Commandments . And hungry for souls 😂😂😂. I’m trying to save myself and working on my own soul by working on my relationship with Jesus Christ. “The ones that say things that it sounds right, almost right and it’s hard to discern…. Typically the cults are gonna tell you they believe the Bible.” Man this guy is much. It’s crazy most of the people in the world believe in the same God but then look and listen to Humanity . Or The Devil at the works to divide.
Are you saved now? You may have missed the part about word’s being used by Christian’s that mean something else. What does saved mean? Honest question to an SDA.
@@andje_izidor_music you didn't come to Christ if you came to the SDA association because they don't have the Jesus of the Bible. They use the ( name Jesus) but it's (not the Jesus of the Bible.) Your critical thinking is not working!. There is no 18 44 Levite Jesus going from the outer Court to the inner Court. Ultimately placing the( sins on the Devil himself!)( Which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit)! That Jesus does not exist!
absolutely one of the best lectures I have heard on the heretical teachings of SDA. I grew up in the church and I have been in deep spiritual oppression until I was recently born again. All glory to God and Christ's finished work on the cross.
Hi Allison..... Like you I was in the faith years ago & I felt the same & now I'm living the best happiness days. Pr Tim did a fantastic job in his presentation ... Well researched, articulated, clearly spoken & giving scriptures for godly foundation. Yes glory to him our Jesus who went to the cross & said in the book of John..... It is finished!..... Hallelujah.
He sounds right! But there's one problem. He rejects catholism. Pope Damasus 1 presided over the Council of Rome in 382 AD over seeing Jerome. So why should any of them trust scripture? Does he not see the contradiction in his talk? The Catholics gave him the bible. And Jesus said hell would not over take the Church...
THANK YOU!!!!!! You have got the right view of Ellen G White. Thank you sir. She was more subtle than Joseph Smith & Charles T Russell combined!!!!! I hope you debate Doug Bachelor one day.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel And the Book of Hebrews says he is presently our High Priest, yet these people think its "finished" SMH. I thought he was finished _before calvary_ ? "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have _finished_ the work which thou gavest me to do." (John 17:4, KJV)
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel the Maccabees cleansed the temple on Dec. 9th 164 bc, after 2300 evenings and mornings starting on Aug. 21, 174 ad. Antiochus fulfilled the prophecy 2100 years ago. There is no such thing as a Investigative Judgement, to say there is is a false Gospel and a lie. What does that make you? Gal. 1:8.
I am so glad to be a member of that SDA cult.Jesus said, "If you love me...keep my commandment." and guess what...they are keeping God's commandment..not nine ,but all ten! I am so happy to be a member of the SDA cult..because when Jesus found some folks " messing" with one just one commandment, he told them that their worship was in vain. .See Mathew 15:9...&...Mark 7:7 At least I would not hear such damning words on judgement morning! I would remain a member of the SDA cult ...because I want my prayer answered . See Proverbs 28:9. I am staying there until death because of Reverlation 22:14. There is simply no better place to be on judgement morning... i wish you can direct me of a better place.. I think there is room for one more intelligent person.
What Jesus meant when he said “ If you love me, keep MY commandments” JOHN 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP MY commandments.” it’s VERY clear, He said in the book of John “KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS” The answer to what Jesus said, is IN THE BOOK OF JOHN as well, NOT in the other book. What Jesus meant by “ if you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS” In the book of John, you will find the answer JOHN 13:34 “A NEW commandment I GIVE UNTO YOU. That YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” What Jesus said that “if you love, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS” It was NOT the 10 commandments He was referring to, It was HIS COMMANDMENTS He was referring to. Chapter 14 of the book of John is the continuation of Chapter 13 of the same book. JOHN 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. JOHN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” That is how you will understand or comprehend the context of the WORD of God in the holy scriptures, NOT by picking verses from different books of the bible and connecting it to other verses to misled and deceived believers for centuries, just like what the SDA church is doing.
The old testament was external, Jesus said your righteousness must surpass that, and it must be internal. See the sermon in the mount for example. Far higher standards. Speech, thoughts, actions, character, attitudes all changed by the Spirits power
@@bokelvin165 IT IS OBVIOUS you have NO Common sense nor understanding of scripture!!! >>>>quote---JOHN 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments...unquote Exactly---BUT read more!! Is Jesus God?? Did God give the Ten Commandments??? If so, then THEY ARE HIS Comandments!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 Let us find out who has a common sense, adventists or Apostle John. I JOHN 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” According to the beloved apostle John, Jesus Christ is God, and not just God, but “ A TRUE GOD” According to apostle John as well, Jesus is God. JOHN 1: 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” And this TRUE GOD was made flesh, and manifested in the flesh to save mandkind I JOHN 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.” God has sent His BEGOTTEN SON, so that we might live. Tell me then, who has the COMMON SENSE, you, the adventists or the apostles of Jesus Christ!? Jesus said: THIS IS MY NEW COMMANDMENTS - John 13:34 That ye LOVE one another, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, The COMMANDMENTS of Jesus is LOVE, LOVE YE ONE ANOTHER, NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!! John 13:35 BY THIS!!!!! Shall all men know that ye are MY DISCIPLES, if ye have love one to another” That is why Jesus said to HIS DISCIPLES and followers. JOHN 14:15 (KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments.!!! Again, what is Jesus Christ’s commandments??? That if we really love Him, we MUST obey his COMMANDMENTS??? The answer of Jesus : LOVE YE ONE ANOTHER, BY THIS!!! Shall all men know that ye are my disciples, IF YE HAVE LOVE ONE ANOTHER - John 13:34-35 JOHN 13:34-35 34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. For once and for all, tell me again, who has “the COMMON SENSE” you or the apostle of Jesus??!!!’ Furthermore, Jesus Christ is different from His Father, the God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who handed down the “TEN Commandments “ to Moses in Horeb. Yes, Jesus is God - 1John 5:20. But Jesus is different from the Father who sent Him on earth- John 3:16. And Jesus Christ, being sent by His Father. Has a message to mankind, when He came down on earth and was manifested in the flesh. And Jesus Christ has a NEW commandments- John 13:34-35 But the Jews and the adventists doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ who was sent by God that they claim they believe. And by not believing in the messenger that God the Father has sent, they are not believing to the SENDER of the messenger which is God the Father Himself. Adventists are anti-Christ, same as the Jews.
@@bokelvin165 WHAT ARE THE TWO Commandments that Jesus spoke????? ALL the ten Comanmdmenmts are those two???? Matt 22:[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. The FIRSt 4 Commandments ARE ABOUT OUR LOVE FOR GOD!!!! No idols No other gods Not say His name in vaim Keep the Sabbath!!! If you want to argue with what Jesus said, argue with Him!!!! The otherr 6 ARE ABOUT our love for our neighbor!!!!!
There is no denominations in Heaven….. Only Jesus!! So don’t follow denominations….. denominations are like clubs and associations… look to the doctrines and teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible! Check and learn what Jesus Christ said about Sabbath. Don’t follow men…. Follow the teachings and discern the Truth of God’s Word!
Yes! Apostle Paul was so clear about this 1 Corinthians 1:10-13. We need ONLY to stick to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our Advocate, Helper, Teacher for guidance.
@@melodykubiak5850 Expect statements like this because it is a fulfillment of Rev 12:17. Many times there are outright lies. That is how much Adventists are hated, and it will get worse as you live holier and live closer to Jesus.
@@treefellonya ~ Apart from the occasional person on the Internet, I've never encountered hatred or disdain for being an Adventist. Most people accept that we are a Bible-believing Christian denomination. I wish these people would take the time to actually understand what we believe from Adventist sources without the influence of negative preconceived ideas about us. There are plenty of Adventist sources available. For instance, Amazing Facts and It Is Written have excellent Bible study courses.
I'm not an Adventist I'm still looking for one near me. What maybe me to choose this domination and to trust it is how in every argument they bring up they fully back it up with scripture without taking it out of context, that is something that other denominations don't do
Tim is non-denominational, but would be considered reformed Baptist. He deals with that question in this clip: ruclips.net/video/DRhP7TfU-CE/видео.html
The New Testament gospel and the theory of an investigative judgment are not compatible.Christ is now reigning, He is now judging.Rev.14:7”The hour of His judgment has come.The judgment of the world took place at Calvary. John 12:31;Rom. 3:25 .Christ is the judge ho meets us in the gospel to give us the verdict of the judgment “today”.
Really?!!! Then why is Jesus our high priest in Heaven? 1) Hebrews 4:14-15 “Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” 2) And explain the books in Heaven where people are being judged. The Bible clearly says it in Revelation 20:12: “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” 3) Where on earth did you get that the Judgement hour took place on Calvary? PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT FROM THE BIBLE, as I just explained to you how you are wrong from a Biblical perspective .Where do you people get these ideas from?!!!!!!!!!!!
Before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed it was "investigated". Go back and read the story. If Jesus is bringing our reward "with him" when he returns. Then we have to have been investigated already. Revelation 22:11-12 KJV 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
@@marysmith861 yeah but your Jesus becomes the Devil himself. In the investigative judgment. That's not the Jesus of Hebrews 7. Ellen says that's your Jesus. The one that makes (The devil be the sin Bearer,). And then come up with the investigative judgment. You have no salvation.. that's the issue. She says that your Jesus!
Correct. But there is a real sabbath. Not Saturday Adventist. The sabbath is not Saturday or Sunday Friday.the sabbath is seventh day after six days of work. Ezakiel 46-1. Isaiah 66-22-23. Psalm 81-1-2.3. So we have new moon day, the first day of the month then 6 days of work then sabbath day.
Just watch his videos, he is comparing the so called “strict teachings” with scripture bible alone…. Would you follow the bible or a false gospel. Adventist gospel should offend you because they make it sound like Jesus sacrifice was not enough. Theres no man in the world that would go through what He did and yet its not enough? You have to wake up man. He just covered the surface… they teach so much more false gospels.
@@marksanagustin8732 you’re so wrong my dear..you did not study the Gospel.you don’t have the right to say those words. Seventh-Day Adventist has good teaching, they are the real religion try to study the Gospel and you will realize you are very wrong.May the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind..
@@shanerogers3663 theres a reason why you clicked on his video. I hope you watched it and listened. He did nothing but read the teachings and read the bible and didnt mix anything up with his own words……
If SDA was a cult, members would be required to believe particular church dogma, such as Ellen White’s writings. We’re not. Ellen White herself wrote that readers should read their Bible and not rely on her writings. She said if her or anyone else’s writings help a Christian understand the Bible, then fine… read. But, the Bible is to be the Christian’s guide. Besides Ellen White, Adventists read writings from other authors such as Philip Yancey and CS Lewis. Cults prohibit adherents from reading anything other than that church’s dogma. Now, there are individuals and even pastors who rely inappropriately on Ellen White’s writings. But, that’s them, not the SDA church. I teach Bible to young teenagers, and I don’t use Ellen White’s writings. I use the Bible only. I’ve never had comment from the Church; never will. Why do we worship on Saturday rather than Sunday? Because the Bible says to. Please see Genesis 2:2-3, and the fourth commandment. We keep the Sabbath on the Seventh day of the week rather than the first day of the week because that’s what God did and that’s what He entreats believers to do. Works? We’re adamant that salvation is by faith, not works… straight from the Bible. At the same time, scripture says that faith without works is dead. Works are not for getting salvation; rather, works on Jesus’s behalf is a celebration of our coming to faith. It’s in the Bible. The church does have a collection of beliefs. The church operates the second largest network of schools and universities and hospitals and clinics, so a statement of beliefs is especially essential for an organization. Adventism takes Jesus’s second coming seriously, and advocates for its adherents to heed the three angels’ messages in Revelations 14:6-12. Further, Adventism encourages members to adjust beliefs and lifestyle to conform to the Bible so as to be members of the remnant church described in the Bible. Is that works? Does obedience to the Bible constitute works? Christian pastors and influencers would serve God and humankind better by helping people understand the Bible than trying to classify Adventism as a cult. If it was a cult I would not participate, but it isn’t and so I do.
I am a member of the SDA Bible-loving Church "Cult." Our doctrines are wonderful. All solid Bible-based doctrines. You can easily find it online. A lot of good people in the church. Also a lot of hypocrites. Sad but true. But hey, people are free to choose
I used to say the same things you are saying. Look into the trinity, and you will find the first false doctrine of many. No organized religion has the truth. "Come out of her my people," is a plea for people to leave the lies of organized religion and follow Jesus, the son of God. Not God the Son. I sincerely pray you consider what I am saying. May God bless you.
@@dustyrose853 Bible study works best when discussed with others. Doing it alone can open a person to self interpretation and very had things have come of this.
@2sarahloves I convene with others and Jesus. There are many other people who join together outside of the organized religions. I didn't say anything about people having to secluded themselves. In my experience, when people don't want to hear God's truth, they push those people sharing it away from them. Essentially, shunning them even if they have worshipped together for years.
Mistake No. 1 is asking a religious person if you should join a religion. People, you have brains. Think for yourselves, and no, that's not a sin - it's called being mentally healthy.
And how are we to know if what you say Pastor Tim, is not from the devil trying to demonize Adventism. Jeremiah 17:9. Does that include your heart sir or just the lost ones?
@@williamstroud1455 457 B.C. Is 3303 on the Jewish the year 1843 is the year 5603. When you subtract. 3303 from 5603.. what's your answer ? Got to remember we're dealing with the ninth commandment here.
@@JamieElison Having trouble following you line of thinking here Jamie. OK, 6503 - 3303 = 2300. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" if I remember correctly, is the 9th commandment. And what about that? I don't follow you. Yes, God's Word is truth. Seems you are touting the 10 commandments. I believe in them too. What about the 4th, Jamie? Do you believe it as well. This time prophesy stuff can be confusing, I know. It takes some time studying God's Word to understand. Can I help?
There are often challenges with legalism, it is true. However, for those truly seeking God it happens- in every denomination. Every Christian struggles with it at some point - if they are truly converted. Hopefully we grow and realize that we cannot do it without Christ - but that does not mean holiness is not attainable. Oh, and BTW - It isn't pride, its called confidence. We know we have the whole truth. This is what it means to have a school master. The Law shuts us in, makes us a slave, realizing our sin. We struggle to overcome and realize, as Paul; "Who can deliver me from this Body of Death?" - I thank God through Jesus Christ... The initial struggle is legalism. However - the Bible says the Law is Holy and Just and Good. And again "Shall we sin that grace shall abound? God Forbid! - Jesus liberates us from enslavement of breaking His Law, to obeying it. That is not legalism, but Grace.
@@johnwheeler9186 But the Word does tell us to take care of our bodies, and in present day earth, there is enough evidence in the Scientific community showing that pig flesh and other forms of meat shorten life span - something Ellen G. White said was a problem even back in the late 1800s. And Leviticus. Wasn't even ceremonial laws back then. Those were health laws. "Oh but the health laws were for the Jews" they'll say, as if good health was pronounced just for the Jews.. SMH.
@@johnwheeler9186 yeah but is your Jesus the Jesus that it described in the investigative judgment in the third paragraph line 7 and 8 The Ellen says is the devil!
God created the New Testament for a reason ! It's the new covenant that we live by . God's greatest commandments , Matthew 22 ; 36-40 . All 9 commandments are in the NT except for keeping the Sabbath . Colossians 2 :16 .
really? does teaching come by just words? or by example as well. the gospels mention several times that "as His custom (habit, teaching) was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day." in the book of Acts Paul is recorded doing the same, not just the jews but gentiles as well and once the gentiles asked him to come back the next Sabbath to tell them more. in antioch he and barnabas stayed for a whole year(Acts 11:26) then later in chapter 14 "stayed a long time," Acts 18 he reasoned with jew and gentile for a year and a half, then on to Ephesus teaching, preaching for 3 years. Jn 1:1 it's said "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God." if Jesus is the word, can He go against his own word? if He is the word and the word was God, and he says of HImself, "I speak not of my own but what the Father tells me" how can the Father go against Himself or His word or the Son speak contrary to what the Father has said? i'm sure if you study there were different sabbaths in the ceremonial feast days and weeks. these were not part of the 10 commandments but the "laws of ordinance" which Moses wrote in a book that was placed in a compartment on the outside of the ark. these were the laws for the ceremonies, feast. they were yearly sabbaths. they all pointed to certain aspects of Jesus work for salvation. the 10 commandments were placed inside the ark, under the mercy seat along with aaron's rod that budded and a pot of mana. adventist believe Pauls instruction to Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16,17 that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." there was the nation of Israel, whom God had called them not to be just different or peculiar but to share their witness to others. but as the prophecy foretold they would fail and their rejection as a nation of Jesus sealed their fate, as a nation. individually yes but not as a nation. from the time that Stephen was stoned, the gospel went to the gentiles, by Peter going to Cornelius and after Paul's conversion. that is why Paul many times referred to believing gentiles as Abraham's seed by faith and being grated in, and heirs according to the promise. the spiritual Israel not the fleshly Israel. all the promises given to Israel were now for spiritual Israel. but as many forget, not just the promises, but also the warnings. there is a promise in Isaiah 66:22,23, speaking of the promise of a new heaven and new earth, "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another. all flesh shall come to worship before me" says the Lord." if God says this is the way it will be in heaven, why should anyone say, no, i will do it my way? is that not why there was rebellion in heaven with satan?
really? the verse in Colossians is referring to the feast day sabbaths, which were annual sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath. and teaching is done not only by word but by example. " as was His custom He (Jesus) went into the synagogue to teach and to preach." read Luke 4:16-30, 6:6-11, 13:10-16, 14:1-5. and in Acts you will find many instances of Paul doing the same, in different places on his missionary trips, once for 3 weeks he taught gentiles on the Sabbath, then for months in places such as Antioch, Phillipi, Thessalonica, even a year in one and a year and a half, and in Ephesus for 3 years, "as his custom was." in James he says if you break one you break all. Paul says "I would have not known sin if the law did not say thou shalt not covet." God has said " what I utter from my mouth I shall not change." "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever." and Paul says "thinking it not robbery to be equal with God." and Jesus said " for I have not spoken of Myself, but of the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what i should speak." how then could there be any difference between them? the bible says, " can two walk together if they not be in accord?" perhaps you should go back into the Law books and find the difference between the 7th day Sabbath and the annual sabbaths of the feasts. the 7th day Sabbath was on the tables of stone, under the mercy seat of the ark. the annual ones were written by Moses in a book that contained the directions for sacrifices and when and how to keep the feast days, weeks. that book was the law contained in ordinances that was put in a compartment on the side of the ark. those pointed to the work of Christ in salvation. those were what was "nailed to the cross," not the 10 commandments. look up Sabbathtruth.com and watch the series with Hal Holbrook. you will learn a lot.
I love how you support with the bible quote about the new covenant ; it's also backed up in book of Hebrews, and yet....... people don't want to believe.... you get a whole bunch of argument back. to which I will add Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
@@jeffsimpson7282 none of that matters you don't have Jesus Christ as your savior! You got the 1844 investigative judgment Jesus ..that becomes the Devil himself read it!!
Do seminaries only use the Bible for instruction, or do they use the works of many Christian authors? I looked up his sources about SDA beliefs and Pastor Tim left out 9 of the 10 Denials, which paints a much less nefarious picture than he does.
Ellen White in the investigative judgment, maranatha page 251. Says the devil is the sin Bearer )making Jesus be the the devil)!!!! and the sins are never blotted i out!!!! there placed on the back of the devil!. Destroying Isaiah verse 43 verse 25. And 1st Peter 2:24. Breaking the first first commandment because that's not God! They have nothing!
"You have been estranged from Christ, you who seek to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace!" Galatians 5:3 and later "those who are led by the Spirit are NOT UNDER THE LAW," Galatians 5:18. Paul wrote so much against the turning back to the old ways. If you seek to be justified by the old covenant you are bound to keep the whole law! Jesus told us about what was coming- the new cannot patch the old, He has made an entirely NEW garment! The new wine would BURST the old wineskins! The law is good, but we were the gaping hole within it, unable, without Jesus, to live up to a holy standard. Hebrews says that restrictions like food, clothing, and festival days were upheld until the time of reformation! We have come into a Kingdom that isn't seen or shaken. I pray that our SDA brothers and sisters come to hold fast to the LIBERTY by which Christ has made us free! Amen!
Seventh-day Adventist all believe that they are saved by grace through faith. None believe that they are saved by works. What most of us also believe is that because we are saved, we should be grateful and choose to obey God's law out of love: John 14:15; 1John 5:1-3; 2John 2:6; James 1:25, 2:10-12; Matt 22:37-40; Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14
@@returntoeden by Grace from from who? the investigative judgment. maranatha page 251. Ellen ( makes the devil be Jesus Christ.)!!! That is who she says you're Jesus is !read it!( making the devil be the sin Bearer )!!and (the sins are never blotted out )! Destroying who Jesus is.!!!! Isaiah 43 verse 25. 1st Peter 2:24! There's your grace!
@@jimbob1644 Grace comes from the God of Creation YeHoVaH & Yeshua both. How do you honor the God of Creation if not abiding by His word Rev 14:7; Exo 20:11; Gen 2:1-4?
@@returntoeden all you're saying is you're calling Jesus Christ the devil. That's why you're saying what you're. you don't even know what the Bible says!. The equation that created that lie in the first place .you can't get from 457 BC in the spring of the year to the fall of 1844 with 2300 it's impossible. See I know what the 2300 days actually mean. You believe the lie! You're saying there's a sharing arrangement between the devil and Jesus Christ for atonement! That's blasphemy!
@@returntoeden you know( by attributing to the Devil with Jesus did)) in in 1st Peter 2:24 and Hebrews 9:28. And claiming there are no more sins Isaiah 43:25.( Attributing what the Holy Spirit did at the cross..( that to the devil). ( like you just did)!!! which is the Holy Spirit. Look what Matthew 12: 31 and 32. Is saying about you!
IF you said that the EG books should have the name of SDA on it, then you should say for other Christian denomination authors. It is because EGW is in believed to be an inspired religious writer. Other than that SDA has 20+ doctrines that does not mention EGW in it. If any Christian denomination has the audacity to criticize and called SDA a cult, then they should look at themselves, basically not all Christian denominations preached the complete gospel and yet condemning others
But sda is a cult I've studied it for years and I've studied the prophecies for 50 show me one true that they have that's scriptural pertaining to prophecy ..and who your Jesus is.. if your Jesus is .. The Ellen White Jesus ..you do not have Jesus of the Bible ..(nor do you have salvation) this is real easy to prove !do you want me to do it! See it's not audacity.it is just the facts!!
@@noninago they are blocking the comments when they quit he'll respond if if I have enough energy I'll show you what he would have told you. it may not happen right now. but come back and look at it later. The big issue is they have a levite Jesus it does not forgive sins they never discuss it. They just choose the word Jesus .and speak as if it's the same person..
I attend a Adventist Church and they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. They might quote some of her Writings. However our Bible Study consist of Studying Scripture and speaking about it. The whole SDA is a Cult is completely off the mark and very sad really. These are good Christian Folks and they shouldn't be slandered. If you believe that Jesus is Lord you are my Brother or Sister. Please just approach us will Love and Respect. We honor the word of God. I mean not to knock Catholics people themselves but if anyone's a Cult it's Catholics. They believe some very bizarre things that aren't in scripture. Like purgatory, praying for absolution, Mary having perpetual virginity, that the Eucharist is the Literal Blood and Body of Christ??? Which is scientifically untrue if you tested the wine that they give or the little wafer I'm sorry it doesn't have a Humans DNA. It is SYMBOLIC. WHEN CHRIST FIRST GAVE OUT THE EUCHARIST HE GAVE IT OUT IT WASN'T LIKE HE CUT OPEN HIS HAND AND PUT BLOOD IN A CUP AND CUT OFF HIS FINGER AND FED IT TO PEOPLE! It was symbol of his Divine Nature. Also that you can pray to Saints as a Mediator between you and God. Jesus said "I am the way I am the truth No one comes to the Father unless through me!". Catholicism was basically Roman paganism rebranded. Saints Replaced Roman Gods. Peter was NOT a Pope and there is NO evidence he was in Rome. The first Leader of the Church after Christ was JAMES THE JUST!, We know this because it's actually in the Bible. Read Paul's Letters. The Center of Power for Early Christianity was Jerusalem not Rome. Paul was the one who brought Christ's message to Rome. Peter and James wanted Gentiles to follow Jewish Customs of circumcision and Kosher. Paul called them out "Right to his Face" about it. That faith in Christ is enough. That faith in Christ is a New covenant. The Catholic Church was created by Constantine the Great when he converted in 336AD, His Wife traveled to Jerusalem to find holy relics and to find specific places like where Christ was crucified. They intentionally made Rome the seat of Power for the New Church for Political Reasons. They needed to justify it so they took "On this Rock" verse out of Context and claimed Peter was the First Pope given Divine Authority. Which is not in scripture! Paul called Peter out! If Peter had Devine Authority, Paul would have never done such a Thing. Also we have a Non Biblical Source that James the Just was the leader of the Church from Josephus antiquity of the Jews. He tells how James was stoned to Death. Peter was a Jewish Christian and followed Torah and the Old covenant. I have spoke to so many Catholics and they're just so ignorant about their own doctrine. I literally spoke to a woman who is a chaplain for the Catholics and she had no idea of the Mary perpetual virginity Doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches. She was completely clueless. And the fact of the matter is that Catholics treat prayer exactly how Christ instructed us not to. They treat it as some sort of mantra some sort of ritualistic activity. When Christ told us "When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words" Repeating the same words over and over "Hail Mary" is completely against Christ's instructions. Prayer is an private and intimate relationship with God. It's you speaking to God. Not from a que card, not from a pre written prayer. It's like this "Father, please forgive me my sin of Lust, I want to better, I want be better, please protect my children during my operation coming up, sometimes I do not feel worthy of your Grace, I will keep my faith strong Father, in Jesus Name I pray" and when you Pray, do it in Private so no one can see you. You aren't Praying to be seen by others. People who do that are doing it for Public Praise, not for their true Relationship with God. All of this is in Scripture. If only a Catholic would simply READ THE GOSPELS!
Hang on a minute..... Forget about EGW for the moment, I know a few churches and minister's who reserved these mysterious books in the mail that are typically no from sender details & the book has no obvious publishing hallmarks in the book.... With closer inspection they were from a SDA organisation!!! How sneaky!
Greetings! I do normally respond to these presentations. However, I think you have a challenge with interpretation. While you might be sincere in your quest, I would suggest that you have a one-to-one conversation with someone knowledgeable on the teachings of the SDA Church. I can see where you have some subtle misunderstandings.
Watching paint dry on the walls in my opinion far better than what I had to get used to. When our son was born, and for many years I literally had to fight with both of my families who I should visit first, my relatives or my wife's relatives. I should have moved hundreds of miles away when I was first married. That way I'd have an excuse as to why I wouldn't visit anyone.
@@georgewilliams3471 you should answer comments it shows your presentation is a bunch of nonsense maybe you should read E White books before taking her writings out of context all your arguments are easily answered come out of babylon you reject the 3 angels message this causes the fall of babylon
Sounds like the former comment was from a SDA member. I understand as I was raised, and still attend on Sabbath. I do go on Sundays too as there are many Godly people in every church. My husband is a Sunday attending Christian. I do appreciate the respectful way in which this man presents false from true doctrine. I see Jesus in his response to EG Whites comments that differ from him. I have to say that I am NOT an EG White reader. She may have been a kind lady but I do not agree with many of her statements but I do still hold to some of the doctrines, not hers, that I feel the bible teaches. We are all told to study for ourselves with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. Many in the church do not hold to her teachings as welll and are bible only. The Sabbath does not save us, nor do our cherished doctrines. Yeshua saves us and , if we let the Holy Spirit guide us, we have have purer doctrines to reflect Him and show we are Christ like. I don't see Jesus coming after SDA only. He is coming back for His temple, the embodiment of Christ all churches and those that don't go but hold Him in their heart. My opinion for what it is worth. Thank you for being respectful , as Jesus was, in your teaching. This made me stop and listen.
Wow!!! Thank you. This is the truth so well explained that have been searching for and the holy spirit today guided me to it. Let me tell everyone here that this message can only be understood in spirit. Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth. That is the truth!!! May God guide all of you to the truth through His spirit. Thank you once more for the time dedicated, the resources put, he prayers made so that one more soul can be saved through thus message Much love from Kenya 🇰🇪
"Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth." What a lofty, arrogant statement to make. Tell me, what is the real "beef" you have with Adventist Truths? Do you not like it because we are commandment keepers and you feel convicted? After all - the LAW is a school master - and a convincer of sin.
I wonder what spirit you are led by. SDA is the only denomination that can publicly defend their doctrines with scriptures. ONLY. Sunday is publicly listed as the first day of the week while mentally brainwashed to believe it’s the last day of the week. The Sunday law driven by the mark of the beast is so obvious that the enemy is after worship to publicly force everyone to worship on Sunday. Ever wondered why?
@@abigailsmith6864 it wouldn't matter what Commandments you kept.. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible!! Ellen in the investigative judgment( says the devil is Jesus Christ)!! and you believe Ellen!
@@atreastaasreas1965 I have written about this on many YT channels. No other Christian group is so vociferously attacked. Not JW, or LDS. Adventists are by far the most vehemently run down. When I first was looking at the Adventist truths, I remember initially being worried after reading Dale Ratzlaff, Martin, and Rhea. Then it occurred to me that the Devil would attack the true Church of God this angrily. No one else would care as much. It wasn't long after that I was baptized. I always remind those who speak about Adventists so angrily of Revelation 12:17.
Miller never knew what the 2300 days represented in Daniel 8 ...no SDA.person to this day knows what Daniel 8.. is saying ..Miller predicted it would be in 1843 as far as the math equation goes he was right ...if you're just using the math equation... Miller was right.. you can't get in the from 457 BC in the spring of the Year Ezra 7:9 to the fall of 1844 October 22nd which is the LIE of the atonement concept ...(that never happened)!!! but just say it did ...the day of atonement in 1844 was not on the 22nd of October... but let's just say it was... (that's 2301 years).... ellen (said that's the truth)!!!...[ their true prophet] Miller never verified that they believed her...but, because they believe she's a true prophet...( really she's a witch...I know exactly what Daniel 8 is saying!!!! study it for fifty years ...the whole thing is a cult!!!! they created a Jesus that is not the Jesus of Hebrews 7.. in the investigative judgment ..(and said the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which technically makes the devil be Jesus Christ!!!
Yeah but the SDA.. Ellen white says.. the devil becomes the sin Bearer )!!in the investigative judgment.. in the third paragraph lines 7 and 8 ..which is for the (atonement that Jesus Christ himself does in Leviticus 16:10 ..which is saying the devil becomes Jesus Christ!( she says that's your Jesus)..! Your Sabbath has no significance at all..
It is so rare to find a pastor who knows anything about the SEA church. Your video is spot on. I'm a former SDA, educated in the Adventist school system and I was a local elder. What you've presented here is just the tip of the iceberg. Some notes: Ellen's testimonies are titled 'Testimonies to the Church'. And she has had dozens of other books published. You are so right about the SEA view of the Atonement leading to works. Incredibly, EGW wrote that Christ could not return until His character was perfectly reproduced in the members of his Remnant church. Think about that for a bit! If anyone is interested in knowing more about the SDA church,
@@timarnett672 is your Jesus the 1844 (levite Jesus) that puts the Sins on the back of the devil. which makes the devil )the sin Bearer) it is that your Jesus! Now you see who's apostate that's not the Jesus of the Bible
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv BEFORE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE SHARE WITH ME WHERE IN ADVENTIST PUBLICATIONS THAT THEY CALL JESUS A LEVITE PRIEST. THANK YOU.
So you're glad to not have the true Jesus of the Bible.( The one that puts the sins on the devil !!!! (and makes the devil be the sin bear)... rather than the Jesus of Hebrews 7. You have no salvation !what blasphemy)!
@@jimcovell1067 So let me get this straight...you followed the church for 35 years and you claim you never fell into a trap. Sounds like God has you in a search for truth. "What is truth" asked Pilate, but he never waited for an answer. The Bible says Jesus is Truth (John 14:6). Gods Word is Truth (John 17:17) and the 10 commandments, including the 4th, are Truth (Psalm 119:151)
I've been both Adventist and Baptist, and I agree with you on the SDA Sanctuary doctrine 100 percent that it's false doctrine. So, if EG White taught this, then that would make her a false prophet. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I was never sure about her. I believe SDA's have many true doctrines, including the Sabbath, and some others. Most if not all churches have false doctrines or incorrect interpretations mixed in with truth. Many Adventists actually don't believe in the sanctuary doctrine. But what it ultimately does is confuse them about their salvation. They "say" their salvation is received by grace through faith alone, but when they accept the sanctuary doctrine, they can no longer believe that because the sanctuary doctrine makes salvation works based.
I to was in the SDA faith (in my first marriage) yrs ago & now in a spirit filled Baptist.... I believe EGW is a false profit & I know it sounds harsh I believe they are a cult. Looking back I have to say There was an air of elitism & a kinda them & us attitude towards sunday worshipping folk....I don't know if it was the same for you but all the best you & your family.
@@warlyfresh the sanctuary & how it works according to EGW..... Right! William Miller did the prediction of Christ return & look where that went & with Christ not returned EGW did the sanctuary & atonement for plan B .... It's nothing more than a made up notion by that deluded woman. In John 19 vs 30 says otherwise... Jesus said...it is finished!.
quote---I agree with you on the SDA Sanctuary doctrine 100 percent that it's false doctrine.--unquote So, obviously you bothered to do any research!!! SDA--Doctrine #24. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Lev. 16; Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:6; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Heb. 1:3; 2:16, 17; 4:14-16; 8:1-5; 9:11- 28; 10:19-22; Rev. 8:3-5; 11:19; 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:11, 12.) Look thoes verses up!!!! If you dare.
Ellen White has been of immense blessing to my life. Even now, as a participant in Baha’i Community, her words energize my work. Mrs. White wrote: “We are all woven together in the great web of humanity, and whatever we can do to benefit and uplift others will reflect in blessing upon ourselves.” Thanks, Ellen & Adventists.
Hang on...... Who the hell are you following here?!? Idealistic notions of a woman EGW mixing it with some mystical eastern relation so that the power comes within to energize you & your work ..... Very obvious new age mentality to me. 1 Timothy 2:4
Read Hebrews. It says strive to enter into Christ's rest not into a certain day. Jesus paid it all. Even sabbath keeping will still send you to hell. Without Christ in your heart that's where people are going. First john, says he that has the Son has life & he that has not the Son has no life in him. Only Jesus, not Ellen white. Turn your back on her & her teachings & Christ is who to turn to. You'll receive eternal life, You'll be sealed by His Spirit. Born again.
(Hebrews 4:9-10) [9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of Elohim. [10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as יהוה did from His.
@@returntoeden Hebrews 4 speaking of Jesus himself notice the people that didn't enter in It Is by faith in Jesus Christ the people that it was first preached to did not enter in the people that was first preached to we're Sabbath keepers
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv If it was speaking of Yeshua/Jesus, aren't Christians suppose to follow Him anyway? (Matt 4:19; John 10:25-27; 1John 2:6; 2John 1:6)
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Where does He say "I am the Sabbath" or "I will be your Sabbath" or "Sabbath will be on the day of resurrection or will be done away with" or "Worship on any day of the week as long as its not the 7th day"? Do you realize that Satan has counterfeits of every thing that is of YeHoVaH's, including His Holy Day?
WHEN WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OUR LORD’S OWN WORDS, AND WHAT SISTER WHITE WROTE IN RESPONSE, WE CANNOT HELP UNDERSTANDING HER FAITH AND LOVE FOR HIM, AND HIS FOR ALL OF US, INCLUDING HERSELF. NOW SOME CAN SAY, “WELL SHE CAN WRITE FLOWERY WORDS, AND STILL BE A DECEIVER.” OKAY, SO LET’S PONDER MORE INTO HER MINISTRY, AND THUS FURTHER TEST HER LEGITIMACY. AS TO THE MATTER SOME SUGGEST, THAT SHE BELIEVED, AND ALSO TAUGHT OTHERS, THAT HER WRITINGS WERE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, THAT THEY WERE TO BE USED TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE FOR THE CHURCH. SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE SEEN OTHER PROPHETS, WHOSE WRITINGS WERE NOT ADDED TO THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE MOST OF US POSSESS OURSELVES TODAY, AND THAT THE MESSAGE THE LORD GAVE TO THEM WHO HEARD THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS, WERE TO BE HEEDED AS UNTO THE LORD, WE NEED NOT GO THERE TO PROVE A BIBLICAL STANDARD OF THE LORD SENDING MESSAGES TO US THROUGH THEM. WE DO HOWEVER NEED TO RECOGNIZE SISTER WHITE’S ROLE AS THE LORD'S MESSENGER IN IMPORTANT MATTERS OF THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, SUCH AS DOCTRINE, AND INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE. THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WAS MADE BY HER IN RESPONSE TO THE BRETHREN THEN IN 1888 WHO DESIRED HER TO SETTLE A QUESTION AS TO THE LAW IN GALATIANS, WHICH SHE REFUSED TO DO. "As a people," she warned, "we are certainly in great danger, if we are not constantly guarded, of considering our ideas, because long cherished, to be Bible doctrines and on every point infallible, and measuring everyone by the rule of our interpretation of Bible truth. This is our danger, and this would be the greatest evil that could ever come to us as a people." Not only did Ellen White refuse to settle the biblical issue by appealing to the Testimonies, but she went so far as to infer to the delegates at the Minneapolis meetings on October 24, 1888, that it was providential that she had lost the testimony to J. H. Waggoner in which she had purportedly settled the issue once and for all in the 1850s. "God has a purpose in this. He wants us to go to the Bible and get the Scripture evidence." 29 In other words, she was more interested in what the Bible had to say on the subject than in what she had written. The Testimonies were not to take the place of the Bible. She would emphasize that point again in early 1889 in the publication of Testimony 33, which has an entire section on that topic. She made it explicit that her writings were to bring people "back to the Word" and to aid them in understanding the biblical principles, 30 but she never held them up as a divine commentary on Scripture.” WHAT OTHER CHURCHES THINK OF SISTER WHITE AND HER CALLING, IN GIVING HER HIS TESTIMONIES IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE OF HER THOUGHTS AS WELL AS HER EXPERIENCE. WHAT WE WILL CONSIDER NEXT IS HOW THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, AND ITS PROGRESS INTO SOUND DOCTRINE WAS ACHIEVED, CONTRASTED WITH HOW OTHERS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR DOCTRINAL POSITIONS WERE ARRIVED AT. INTERESTINGLY, THE THINGS SISTER WHITE SPEAKS ABOUT THOSE FAILURES, MORE REFLECT MOST CHURCHES OF OUR DAY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO LEAN TO SO CALLED ORTHODOXY, AND SADLY ARE INFLUENCED BY A PRETERIST AND DISPENSATIONAL MINDSET. “How shall we search the Scriptures? Shall we drive our stakes of doctrine one after another, and then try to make all Scripture meet our established opinions, or shall we take our ideas and views to the Scriptures, and measure our theories on every side by the Scriptures of truth? Many who read and even teach the Bible, do not comprehend the precious truth they are teaching or studying. Men entertain errors, when the truth is clearly marked out, and if they would but bring their doctrines to the word of God, and not read the word of God in the light of their doctrines, to prove their ideas right, they would not walk in darkness and blindness, or cherish error. Many give the words of Scripture a meaning that suits their own opinions, and they mislead themselves and deceive others by their misinterpretations of God's word. As we take up the study of God's word, we should do so with humble hearts. All selfishness, all love of originality, should be laid aside. Long-cherished opinions must not be regarded as infallible. It was the unwillingness of the Jews to give up their long established traditions that proved their ruin. They were determined not to see any flaw in their own opinions or in their expositions of the Scriptures; but however long men may have entertained certain views, if they are not clearly sustained by the written word, they should be discarded. Those who sincerely desire truth will not be reluctant to lay open their positions for investigation and criticism, and will not be annoyed if their opinions and ideas are crossed. This was the spirit cherished among us forty years ago. We would come together burdened in soul, praying that we might be one in faith and doctrine; for we knew that Christ is not divided. One point at a time was made the subject of investigation. Solemnity characterized these councils of investigation. The Scriptures were opened with a sense of awe. Often we fasted, that we might be better fitted to understand the truth. After earnest prayer, if any point was not understood, it was discussed, and each one expressed his opinion freely; then we would again bow in prayer, and earnest supplications went up to heaven that God would help us to see eye to eye, that we might be one, as Christ and the Father are ONE. Many tears were shed. If one brother rebuked another for his dullness of comprehension in not understanding a passage as he understood it, the one rebuked would afterward take his brother by the hand, and say, “Let us not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus is with us; let us keep a humble and teachable spirit;” and the brother addressed would say, “Forgive me, brother, I have done you an injustice.” Then we would bow down in another season of prayer. We spent many hours in this way. We did not generally study together more than four hours at a time, yet sometimes the entire night was spent in solemn investigation of the Scriptures, that we might understand the truth for our time. On some occasions the Spirit of God would come upon me, and difficult portions were made clear through God's appointed way, and then there was perfect harmony. We were all of one mind and one Spirit. THIS WAS A REBUKE, NOT TO OTHER CHURCH DENOMINATIONS, BUT TO OUR SDA LEADERS WHO DECADES AFTER OUR CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED, WERE NOT HUMBLE, NOT PRAYERFULLY STUDYING GOD’S WORD (AS DID THEIR BRETHREN 40 YEARS PRIOR), AND THUS HAD A SPIRIT OF BEING ORIGINAL, DISCOVERING NEW LIGHT, NEVER SEEN OR SPOKEN OF. BOTH QUOTES SHARES HOW THOSE WHO HELD OFFICIAL OFFICES IN THE THEN GENERAL CONFERENCE, AND ALSO THOSE IN MINISTRY WERE REPROVED FOR EITHER NOT ALLOWING FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF OLD DOCTRINAL POSITIONS, OR ASKING THE LORD’S TESTIMONY (AT SISTER WHITE) TO SETTLE QUESTIONS THEY COULD SETTLE BY THE SAME FAITH AND METHOD OF THEIR FORMER BRETHREN, BY FASTING, EARNEST SEEKING IN PRAYER FOR TRUTH, AND HARMONY, NOT DISCORD AMONG THEMSELVES. 1 Corinthians 14:40 Context 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order. Titus 1:5 “For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:” Acts 18:23 “And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.” 1 Corinthians 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” THE VERY PURPOSE OF THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS, IN REGARDS TO ALL SPIRITUAL GIFTS, INCLUDING THAT OF THE PROPHETS, IS BORNE OUT BY THE FOREGOING SCRIPTURES. WE CAN SEE CLEARLY THAT IS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH THE TESTIMONIES WERE BOTH GIVEN TO THE CHURCH AND THUS, HOW THEY WERE TO BE USED. REMEMBER THAT THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS, AS SHARED WITH THE BRETHREN BY THE LORD’S APPOINTED MESSENGERS, JUDAS AND SILAS, CONFIRMED THE BRETHREN, AFTER THE APOSTLES, ELDERS, AND BRETHREN HAD CONSIDERED THE MATTER IN BOTH THE LIGHT OF GOD’S WORD (“AND TO THIS AGREE THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS” ACTS 15:15) AND BY THE EXPERIENCE OF THE CHURCH IN THE CALL OF THE GENTILES TO THE FAITH OF MESSIAH JESUS.
Personally I have gone through the publishnents of E.G.W but truthfully they are contradictory as time passes by for example at the start she preaches Jesus the Christ is the Arch angel Micheal, not part of the trinity as time evolves she then acknowledges that he is a son of God. She initially believed Christ didn't know what He was face when he died and didn't know what was ti happen all of this is stated in her book the great controversy. This holistically contradicts the scriptures. Her writings according to the adventist statement of doctrine they are authoritative and guiding to the folk. This really depicts the fact it's not a scripture point of view that the scriptures should be consulted first. Secondly investigative judgement is a dogmatism that contradicts the Bible, Romans 8:1-2. The death of christ was the signing of a new conventant, His blood atoned our sins not on October 27 1884, but after He had met Mary, He went and poured His blood in the holy of holies so that it could atone our sins. This is the message of the cross that He died for us and bore our sins and therefore we not saved by our works but by His blood. Lastly read Colossians 2
@@tehillahInc AS TO SISTER WHITE AND DOCTRINE, IN PARTICULAR THAT OF THE IDENTITY OF MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE, OR MICHAEL THE ARCH (CHIEF) ANGEL (MESSENGER), SHE DID NOT ORIGINATE THAT AT ALL, NOR DID SHE ORIGINATE THE DATE OF 1844 (NOT 1884) AS THE END OF THE 2300 DAYS PROPHECY OF DANIEL 814, AND SURELY NOT THE TERM OR DOCTRINE OF THE "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT". I AM PRETTY SURE I GAVE MY OWN PERSONAL BIBLE AND HISTORICAL LESSON UPON THE DOCTRINE OF MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, BUT IF NOT I WILL INCLUDE IT IN ANOTHER POST TO YOU. BE ASSURED THAT THERE'S NO SIMILIARTY WHATSOEVER BETWEEN JW'S DOCTRINE THAT JESUS IS A "CREATED ANGEL" WITH THAT OF THE ADVENTIST FAITH, OR WRITINGS OF SISTER WHITE. SISTER WHITE AND THE LATER SDA CHURCH NEVER ONCE SAID OR TAUGHT (AS A CHURCH ORGANIZATION) AFTER 1844 WAS THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS OUR LORD. WILLIAM MILLER (WHO WAS A BAPTIST MINISTER) CONCLUDED THE APPLICATION OF SAID EVENT TO THE DATE OF 1844. MANY ADVENTISTS AFTER 1844 CONTINUED TO STUDY SCRIPTURE DESIRING THE LIGHT OF TRUTH AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE 2300 DAYS IN 1844, BUT IT WAS NOT SISTER WHITE WHO TOLD ANY OF THEM WHAT TO BELIEVE OR SAY. I HOPE YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THIS CORRECTION, AND IF YOU DESIRE TO KNOW THE TRUE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE, I WILL GLADLY SHARE IT WITH YOU. “WHEN AN HONEST MAN DISCOVERS HE IS MISTAKEN, HE WILL EITHER CEASE BEING MISTAKEN, OR CEASE BEING HONEST.” ANONYMOUS
[PART 2] DO WE NOT (WITH DISCERNMENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT) SEE THE FAMILIARITY OF THE PHRASE, “PRINCE OF PRINCES” WITH THAT OF “KING OF KINGS”? IN EITHER APPLICATION THE POWERS OF THIS EARTH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE POWERS OF HEAVEN, THERE IS ONLY ONE WHO COMES INTO OUR VIEW AS THE DIVINE PROTECTOR OF BOTH ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH. Daniel 9:25 “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.” [END OF PART 1] CLEARLY THE PROPHET IS POINTED TO THE TIME FOR OUR LORD JESUS TO BE REVEALED PERSONALLY UPON THIS EARTH TO HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL/JUDAH, TO BEGIN HIS ADMINISTRATION AS THE LORD’S PROPHET, AND IN FULFILLMENT AS THE “LAMB OF GOD” WHO TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD..” JOHN 1:29 Daniel 10:21 “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince.” ONLY ONE, SAYS GABRIEL. HE WHO IS CALLED MICHAEL, YOUR PRINCE COMES TO ASSIST AND OVERSEE THE WORK OF ISRAEL/JUDAH’S WELFARE AND DELIVERANCE. Daniel 11:22 “And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the PRINCE OF THE COVENANT.” AGAIN, WITH CLEAR SOUND INSPIRED AUTHORITY, THE PRINCE IS REVEALED. THE PRINCE IS HEREIN DECLARED AS HE WHO HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE COVENANT. ANOTHER PROPHET SPEAKS OF HIM. Malachi 3:1 “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to HIS temple, even the MESSENGER of the COVENANT, whom ye delight in: behold, HE shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” THE FIRST MESSENGER/ANGEL IS JOHN THE BAPTIST the Messenger וּמַלְאַ֨ךְ (ū·mal·’aḵ) Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine singular construct Strong's Hebrew 4397: 1) messenger, representative 1a) messenger 1b) angel 1c) the theophanic angel Isaiah 40:3 “The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.” Matthew 3:3 “For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” THE SECOND MESSENGER/ANGEL IS OUR LORD, MESSIAH JESUS. Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a CHILD IS BORN, unto us a SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon HIS SHOULDER: and HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The PRINCE OF PEACE.” THIS MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, WHO COMES TO DECLARE THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH REPLACED THE FORMER ONE. Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:” OUR LORD SPAKE BY DAVID IN THE PSALMS THESE THINGS. PSALMS 40 6 Sacrifice and offering THOU didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of ME, 8 I delight to do THY WILL, O MY GOD,: yea, THY LAW is within MY HEART. 9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained MY LIPS, O LORD, thou knowest. 10 I have not hid THY RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHIN MY HEART; I have declared THY FAITHFULNESS and THY SALVATION: I have not concealed THY LOVINGKINDNESS and THY TRUTH from the great congregation. CLEARLY OUR BLESSED SAVIOR, WITHIN HIS OWN HEART HAS THE HOLY LAW WRITTEN, AND HE DECLARES THE LOVE OF GOD, AND HIS GREAT SALVATION. THE NEW TESTAMENT GIVES FURTHER LIGHT THEN AS TO THE PERSON OF MICHAEL BASED UPON HIS WORK IN THE LAST DAYS. The expression in Daniel 12:1, "the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people," is sufficient alone to identify the one here spoken of as the Saviour of men. He is the "Prince of life Acts 3:14, 15 “But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;” “And killed the PRINCE OF LIFE, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.” IN CALLING JESUS, “PRINCE OF LIFE” WE CAN ALSO RECALL HIM DECLARING HIMSELF, THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE. HE ALONE HAS THAT IMMORTALITY, UNBORROWED, UNDERIVED, AS SUCH HE ALONE HAS AUTHORITY TO RAISE THE DEAD BY THE LIFE IN HIMSELF Acts 5:30-31 “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.” “HIM hath GOD exalted with HIS right hand to be a PRINCE and a SAVIOR, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the HOLY GHOST, whom GOD hath GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.” NOW WE THEN MUST NEEDS EXAMINE THE MATTER OF RESURRECTION AS DECLARED IN THE PROPHECY OF DANIEL 12:1, 2 CONCERNING MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE. Daniel 12:1, 2 “And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” WHEN WE SEE THE WORDS “STAND UP”, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? LET US GO TO THE SAME LANGUAGE USED IN THE PREVIOUS CHAPTER TO LEARN OF THE STANDING UP OF THE VARIOUS PERSIAN KINGS. Daniel 11:2, 3 “And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.” “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.” IN THIS LANGUAGE THEN, WE LEARN OF EARTHLY KINGS, WHO WILL STAND UP IN KINGLY POWER AND AUTHORITY TO RULE. THUS WHEN MICHAEL STANDS UP, HE STANDS UP TO RULE. THIS SPEAKS OF OUR LORD JESUS, WHO SHALL RULE HIS EVERLASTING KINGDOM. BUT ONE WILL SAY, “ISN’T OUR LORD RULING NOW?” YES HE IS, BUT NOT IN THE COMPLETE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT DANIEL 2 DECLARES. IN THE FOREGOING PROPHECY, WE LEARN OF THE FOUR MAJOR EMPIRES, THE FOURTH THAT WOULD BE DIVIDED, AND THEN A STONE CUT OUT OF THE MOUNTAIN IS REPRESENTED AS OUR LORD’S EVERLASTING KINGDOM. Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR. WHEN GOD’S KINGDOM IS SET UP, WHEN MICHAEL (CHRIST) STANDS UP, HIS KINGDOM SHALL NEVER BE DESTROYED (CONQUERED), AND IT WILL NEVER BE LEFT TO OTHER PEOPLE, MEANING AS THE WORLD IS TODAY. ALL OTHER KINGDOMS, ALONG WITH THEIR INHABITANTS SHALL BE CONSUMED, AND THUS HIS KINGDOM WILL RULE ALONE, FOREVERMORE. DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT VERIFY THIS? YES IT DOES. 1 CORINTHIANS 15 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward THEY THAT ARE CHRIST’S AT HIS COMING. 24 Then cometh THE END, when HE shall have delivered up THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even THE FATHER when HE SHALLl have put down ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and POWER. CLEARLY THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES AGREE THAT OUR LORD, WHEN HE COMES FOR HIS SAINTS, BOTH THE QUICK AND THE DEAD, HE TAKES HIS KINGDOM OF SAINTS OUT OF THIS WORLD FIRST, AND WHEN HE COMES, NOTHING THAT WAS UNREDEEMABLE REMAINS. THIS FULFILLS THE PROPHECY, YET STILL ONE WILL SAY, AREN’T GOD’S PEOPLE HIS KINGDOM OVER WHOM HE RULES NOW? YES~! IN DEED AND TRUTH, HE IS OUR LORD, AND WE ARE HIS PEOPLE. CAN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND BY OUR LORD’S OWN WORDS THAT THE FULLNESS OF HIS REIGN ISN’T YET ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE HIS COMING AND THE RESURRECTION OF HIS SAINTS? [END OF PART 2]
[PART 3] John 18:33 TO 37 “Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?” “Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?” “Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?” “Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM is not of this world: if MY KINGDOM were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE.” “Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.” THE TRUTH, THAT OUR LORD CAME INTO THE WORLD TO ULTIMATELY BE KING, IS QUALIFIED BY HIS OWN WORDS, “NOT OF THIS WORLD” “NOT FROM HENCE”. NOW IT ISN;T SO TO THE FULL AND FINAL COMPLETION OF HIS AND HIS FATHER’S PURPOSE. AS SUCH, WE NEED TO STUDY FURTHER AS TO OUR IDENTITY (AS HIS KINGDOM) AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND, IF NOT NOW, WHEN? WELL HE ALREADY EXPLAINS THE NOT NOW, IN SAYING HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. LET’S SEE HOW THE LORD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLE EXPLAINS THIS. FIRST OUR LORD PRAYERS FOR HIS DISCIPLES SAYING, John 17:14 “I have given them THY WORD; and THE WORLD HATETH THEM, because THEY ARE NOT OF THE WORLD, even as I AM NOT OF THE WORLD.” 1 John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.” James 4:4 “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.” ONE CANNOT HELP UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRESENT WORLD WE LIVE IN AS CHRISTIANS, BUT ARE ADMONISHED TO NOT BE OF, IS OPPOSED TO THE LORD OUR GOD, AND HE TO IT. HOW THEN ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND OUR IDENTITY TO OUR LORD AT THIS TIME? Luke 22:28 “Ye are they which have continued with ME in MY temptations.” “And I APPOINT UNTO YOU A KINGDOM AS MY FATHER HATH APPOINTED UNTO ME;” “That ye may eat and drink at my table IN MY KINGDOM, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into THE KINGDOM; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 25:34 “Then shall the KING say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of MY FATHER, INHERIT THE KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” James 2:5 “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which HE hath promised to them that love him?” THUS WE SEE, THAT THE INHERITANCE OF HIS KINGDOM IS YET FUTURE, THUS WE ARE LOOKING FOR A YET FUTURE COMING OF THAT KINGDOM OVER WHICH OUR LORD JESUS IS KING, BUT HOW ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND OUR CURRENT STATUS IN PREPARATION FOR ITS COMING? 2 Corinthians 1 3 “Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;” 4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. 5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ. 6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation. THESE MATTERS OF BOTH AFFLICTION AND COMFORT OUR LORD CLEARLY SPOKE OF TO HIS DISCIPLES. John 16:33 “These things I have spoken unto you, that in ME ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” 1 PETER 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to HIS abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR YOU. 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. IN THIS WORLD, WE SHALL SUFFER FIERY TRIALS, AND BE COMFORTED BY THE LORD OUR GOD. THIS WORLD IS NOT OUR HOME. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT EVERLASTING KINGDOM, WITHOUT END, WHEREIN DWELLS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PEACE. HAVING ESTABLISHED THE SOUND DOCTRINE, THAT HIS KINGDOM IS NOT YET ESTABLISHED, WE STILL NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE KINGDOM PEOPLE, NONETHELESS. Luke 17:20, 21 “And when HE was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, HE answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” WE CARRY IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS THE KINGDOM, OUR LORD JESUS, AND THE PRINCIPLES OF HIS RULERSHIP, EVERYWHERE WE GO. EXODUS 19 5 Now therefore, if ye will OBEY MY VOICE indeed, and KEEP MY COVENANTt, then ye shall be A PECULIAR TREASURE unto ME above all people: for all the earth is MINE:: 6 And ye shall be unto ME a KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, and an HOLY NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. THIS TOO IS APPLIED TO THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST. Revelation 1 5 “And from Jesus Christ, WHO is the FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the PRINCE of the kings of the earth. Unto HIM THAT LOVED US, and washed us from our sins in HIS OWN BLOOD,” 6 “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to HIM be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” 1 Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of HIM who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” [END OF PART 3]
[PART 4] THAT IS OUR IDENTITY NOW, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE YET TO WALK ON THE STREETS OF GOLD IN NEW JERUSALEM, OR TREAD THE GREEN GRASS OF THE NEW EARTH. GETTING TO THE IMPORTANT IDENTITY OF MICHAEL, THE ARCHANGEL, WE NEED TO DIG INTO THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT YET FURTHER AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS CONCERNING HIM (MICHAEL), AND HIS TRUE IDENTITY IN THE CONFLICT OF NATIONS WHO CAME AGAINST HIS CHOSEN AND PECULIAR PEOPLE, AND THE PRESERVATION OF BOTH (ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH). CERTAINLY THE TITLE CHIEF ANGEL, OR CHIEF MESSENGER APPLIES TO THIS BEING WHO IS CHIEFEST AMONG THE HOST OF HEAVEN. HIS AUTHORITY IS NOT THAT OF A CHERUBIM IN RANK WITH OTHERS, BUT IN TRUTH, THE CAPTAIN OF THE HOST OF HEAVENLY CHERUBIM. HE IS NOT HIMSELF AND ANGEL OF CREATION, RATHER HE IS THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM, AND HAS DIVINE AUTHORITY TO COMMAND. AS WE’VE ALREADY INTRODUCED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS BOOK, JOSHUA MET THIS PERSON CALLED, “CAPTAIN OF THE LORD'S HOST” AND FROM THE START OF THE CONQUEST OF THE LAND OF CANAAN, THE PRINCE CALLED MICHAEL, WAS THERE TO FIGHT FOR AND WITH HIS PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, FOR THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. WITH THIS IN MIND, WE WILL THEN SEE OTHER TIMES WHERE THIS DIVINE BEING MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO HIS PROPHETS IN BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS. Zechariah 3:1 “And HE shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the ANGEL OF THE LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.” Zechariah 3:2 “And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?” Zechariah 3:3 “Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the ANGELl.” Zechariah 3:4 “And he answered and spake unto those that stood before HIM, saying, TAKE AWAY THE FILTHY GARMENTS FROM HIM. And unto him HE SAID, BEHOLD, I HAVE CAUSE THINE INIQUITY TO PASS FROM THEE, AND I WILL CLOTHE THEE WITH CHANGE OF RAIMENT.” Zechariah 3:5 “And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the ANGEL OF THE LORD stood by.” Zechariah 3:6 “And the ANGEL OF THE LORD protested unto Joshua, saying,” Zechariah 3:7 “Thus saith the LORD OF HOSTS; If thou wilt walk in MY WAYS, and if thou wilt keep MY CHARGE, then thou shalt also judge MY HOUSE, and shalt also keep MY COURTS, and I WILL GIVE THEE places to walk among these that stand by.” Zechariah 3:8 “Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth MY SERVANT THE BRANCH.” Zechariah 3:9 “For behold THE STONE THAT I HAVE LAID BEFORE JOSHUA; upon ONE STONE shall be SEVEN EYES: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD OF HOSTS, and I WILL REMOVE THE INIQUITY OF THE LAND IN ONE DAY.” “For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.” Zechariah 3:10 “In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.” ONE CANNOT BUT SEE THE DIVINE AUTHORITY OF THE , “ANGEL OF THE LORD” HERE DESCRIBED. HEREIN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD (MICHAEL) STANDS TO DEFEND HIS SERVANT JOSHUA, WHOM SATAN ACCUSES AND OPPOSES BEFORE THE DIVINE BEING. TO THOSE WHO STOOD BY, I DISCERN THEM TO BE THE AGENCIES OF THE LORD’S HOST (HOLY CHERUBIM), FOR THE WORK HE COMMANDS TO BE DONE FOR JOSHUA IS BOTH LITERAL AND SPIRITUAL. TAKE AWAY THE FILTHY GARMENTS FROM HIM. THESE BE THE FILTHY RAGS OF OUR EARTHLY GARMENT OF FLESHLY WORKS. BEHOLD, I HAVE CAUSE THINE INIQUITY TO PASS FROM THEE. HE FORGIVES OUR SIN AND INIQUITY. AND I WILL CLOTHE THEE WITH CHANGE OF RAIMENT.. HE CLOTHES US IN HIS SPOTLESS GARMENT OF HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. THUS HAVING BEEN CLEANSED FROM SIN, AND GIVEN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LORD BY FAITH, JOSHUA NOW STANDS EQUIPPED FOR HIS WORK GOING FORWARD TO, WALK IN MY WAYS. KEEP MY CHARGE JUDGE MY HOUSE KEEP MY COURTS AS HIGH PRIEST, JOSHUA DUTY WAS OVERSIGHT OF THE EARTHLY TABERNACLE AND ALL THINGS THAT PERTAINED TO THE HOLY SERVICE THEREIN. IF FAITHFUL, AFTERWARDS HE WOULD BE PRIVILEGED TO STAND AMONG THE HOST WHO WERE INVOLVED IN RECRUITING AND SUITING HIM FOR HIS SACRED WORK. NOW THIS HISTORICAL NARRATIVE SPEAKS OF A SON OF LEVI WHO CAME BACK FROM THE BABYLONIAN EXILE, AND WAS CHOSEN FOR HIS WORK, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER SON OF LEVI, WHO HELPED OVERSEE THE TABERNACLE AND ITS SERVICES WAY BEFORE JOSHUA EVER LIVED. HIS NAME WAS MOSES, AND SATAN CAME IN OPPOSITION CONCERNING HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD. Jude 1:9 “Yet MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, when CONTENDING WITH THE DEVILl he disputed about THE BODY OF MOSES, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, THE LORD REBUKE THEE.” JUST AS SATAN WITHSTOOD THE LORD, AT JOSHUA’S RIGHT STANDING TO ACCUSE HIM, SO ALSO AT THE GRAVE OF MOSES, HE STOOD TO ACCUSE MOSES TO THE LORD AS UNWORTHY OF RESURRECTION. BESIDES THE LORD’S SERVANTS MOSES AND JOSHUA, IN BOTH SCENARIOS, THERE'S ONLY TWO PRESENT, THE ANGEL OF THE LORD (MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL) SATAN, OUR ADVERSARY THE CONTENTION HAS TO DO WITH WHAT THE LORD WAS PLANNING FOR HIS TWO SERVANTS, BOTH JOSHUA AND MOSES. JOSHUA WAS BEING FITTED FOR HIS WORK AS HIGH PRIEST, WHILE MOSES WAS BEING RAISED TO LIFE AFTER THE ANGEL OF THE LORD LAID HIM TO REST. THE ADVERSARY SATAN OPPOSED THE LORD IN HIS DIVINE PLAN FOR BOTH OF THEM. MICHAEL REBUKES SATAN. HE DOES NOT ARGUE WITH SATAN. HE NEED NOT ARGUE AS HE HAD AUTHORITY TO DO AS HE WILLED TO DO, WHEREAS SATAN COULD ONLY COMPLAIN. WHAT A JOKE RIGHT? LET’S BE CLEAR THEN, ALL KINDS OF SUBTERFUGE HAS, AND WILL BE USED TO DENY THE FACTS OF THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF MICHAEL, THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, TO DIMINISH AND THUS MAKE HIM COMMON, A CREATED BEING, A CHERUBIM (ANGEL), BUT THESE HOLY SCRIPTURES SPEAK OF ONE WHO IS OF SUPREME AUTHORITY, DON’T THEY? “written in the book.” There will be a future resurrection (Dan 12:2). - Michael has fought the dragon, Satan, and gained the victory (Rev 12:7-8; Jude 1:9) - He is the only one to be called archangel in Scripture (Jude 1:9). - His name means “Who is like God?” - Jesus will return with the voice of the archangel (1 Thess 4:16). - Obviously Jesus is the archangel Michael, as He is the Chief Shepherd (literally “archshepherd,” 1 Pet 5:4). FIRST WE MUST IDENTIFY MICHAEL WHO IS SPOKEN OF AS HE WHO STANDS UP AND THE RESURRECTION THAT IS TO FOLLOW. THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS PLAINLY THAT THE VOICE OF MICHAEL (WHO IS CALLED ARCHANGEL) RAISES THE SLEEPING SAINTS. archaggelos: a chief angel, i.e. archangel Original Word: ἀρχάγγελος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: archaggelos Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khang'-el-os) Definition: a chief angel, archangel Usage: a ruler of angels, a superior angel, an archangel. IN SUMMARY Who was Michael, who here came to Gabriel's assistance? The term signifies, "He who is like God," and the Scriptures clearly show that Christ is the one who bears this name. Jude (verse 9) declares that Michael is the Archangel. This word signifies "head, or chief, angel," and in our text Gabriel calls Him "one [or, as the margin reads, "the first"] of the chief princes." There can be but ONE ARCH ANGEL, and hence it is manifestly improper to use the word in the plural as some do. The Scriptures never so use it. In 1 Thessalonians 4: 16, Paul states that when the Lord appears the second time to raise the dead, the voice of the archangel is heard. Whose voice is heard when the dead are raised?--The voice of the Son of God. (John 5: 28.) Taken together, these scriptures prove that the dead are called from their graves by the voice of the Son of God, that the voice which is then heard is the voice of the Archangel, proving that the Archangel is the Son of God, and that the Archangel is called Michael, from which it follows that Michael is the Son of God. In the last verse of Daniel 10, He is called "your Prince," and in the first of Daniel 12, "the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people," expressions which can appropriately be applied to Christ, but to no other being. [END]
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Actually you do not !!you're serving Michael the archangel! which is not Jesus Christ. )Also the 1844 Jesus) that (does not forgive sins.)!! Just subtract 457 from 2300! There's your true prophet Ellen!! Right! Bible says a true prophet will never lie!
Don’t listen to men but to the Spirit that leads into all truth…..
many church today are not listening to the holy sprit but man
Well... however ....Pr tim is using scripture to support the argument/topic at hand & don't forget scripture is Holy Spirit inspired & the bible is our truth/light/foundation.
Yes correct.
Where will you find the holy spirit talking to you?
It's in the scriptures and in the spirit of prophecy.
@@jeffreyoivo And what is the spirit of prophecy?
@@Hursley-q5x find out yourself with earnest prayer please.
Okay, I'm beginning to understand how these side so-called churches are deceptive. At the same time though, I watch the men of my church and past churches I've attended, who have 'no' works at all in their lives. They attend services, maybe sing or not, but just sit there saying nothing and then doing nothing. They never share, praise, or thank God for anything. What has happened to the men in this culture. No wonder we see women rising up to teach and preach, which isn't biblical. Men have turned from following Jesus to a life of ease and letting women take care of them in every way. The most important thing I seldom see men doing is praying. A husband and father should be leading by praying for and with his wife and children. I would rather live in a tent or cave with a Godly husband than in a palace with great riches with a man who has turned his back on Jesus. 😔
Make your reservations now your afterlife depends on it ! Call Jesus he always answers !He died in his love for us and his gift is timeless !
I liked what you said
"Satan like to use the exact right terminology of the Bible only gives different meanings of the word"
sunday churches refiused the 3 angels message
Sunday churches are babylon
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel SDA refuse the New Everlasting Covenant.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel Ellen says your Jesus is the devil..( in the investigative judgment) by making him be the sin Bearer )!!!in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph ..(blaspheming the Holy Spirit attributing to the devil what Jesus Christ himself does)!!! 1st Peter 2:24 Hebrews 9:28 then she says the sins are placed on him (forever destroying Isaiah 43 verse 25 )!!she says that's your Jesus!
Like miles does
@MaryMartinez-lm5tv no she does not. And there in lies the problem with your deceit and fake anger. You are twisting words and presenting half truths. No one in a true SDA church ever states that satan is the sin bearer.
The 4th commandment, the commandment that says "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath dayand hallowed it." Wow! It's the longest of the 10 commandments. You see by whose authority the commandments are given, all in this commandment. The Lord thy God, who made heaven and earth and the sea and all that is in them. The Creator. Oh, that's right, according to you we don't need to keep the commandments. Let's see...Jesus kept them for us so we don't have to. We don't have to keep the Sabbath because He did it for us. Oh, and He had no other gods before the Father so we don't have to keep that one. That was a Jewish thing, eh? Only the Jews needed to keep the commandments. And what about not worshipping idols. Well Jesus didn’t worship idols so we don’t have to not worship them. I guess that means we can worship them, according to, guess who, you again. Jesus did not take the name of the Lord in vain so we don’t have to not do that, therefore, we can. According to you. So If we go according to you, which we do not, we don’t need to keep the commandments since Jesus did that for us. We can dishonor our elders, murder, commit adultery, lie, steal and covet because, hey, Jesus kept the commandments for us so we don’t have to. Do you see how wrong it is to think we are not obliged to keep the 10 commandments. That’s 10, not 9. The roman catholic church claims to have changed the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week, a day you honor, following catholic tradition, but if you read your Bible you will find no authority for such a change. Speaking of the change from the 7th day Sabbath to Sunday as the day of worship, the catholic church says “Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923). There you have it from the horse’s mouth. Not only the admission that Sunday observance is their “mark” but also additional blasphemous statement saying their “authority” is above the Bible. Blessings to all as you study God’s Word.
You could write all the pages you want.... Here's the Clincher is your Jesus the Ellen White Jesus,( of Daniel 8:14) ???if it is. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible.. until you get this solved you can preach all you want ,,and you're still not saved..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Daniel 8:14 doesn't mention Jesus. It talks about the cleansing of the sanctuary, the "day of atonement" spoken of in Leviticus 16. The high priest performed the ceremony on that day. Who is our high priest? According to Hebrews chapter 4, Jesus is. Is that the Jesus you refer to as "Ellen White's Jesus"? That's the Jesus of the Bible. That's my Jesus. Is there another? I go by what the Bible teaches and I will let the God of the Bible decide whether I'm saved or not, thank you. And how about you...who is your Jesus? Someone other that the one found in the Bible? Oh, that's dangerous. Stick to the Bible for your own sake. Blessings
@@williamstroud1455 you're not telling the truth... Ellen said that that Jesus. went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. he didn't ......do that.... and if you're believing that Jesus went from the outer Court to the inner Court. the levite law had died at the cross ....Jesus stop all levite law...
at the cross... what you're saying is Jesus didn't stop the Levite. law.( which in that case she was declaring that that would be the annual cleansing)))) so why didn't it happen every year after the crucifixion rather than just an 1844???.??? that's stupid. Even stupider yet is they had the starting date in Nissan one of Ezra chapter 7 which is (Nissan one )which is in (March) they had the ending date in October ))) it doesn't match))) it doesn't matter it never existed in the first place anyway.!!!!. I can prove it ,never happened ...because they lied to you about the 2300 days... she's a false prophet ... that's the lie she told that made you all believe she's telling the truth ...because none of you know what Daniel 8. 8 through 14 is saying.!!! I'll bet everything you have,,, you can't interpret Daniel 8 through 14 and give me the meaning of it.
. Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you to understand it...( and you never have.!!!!..)
so you're saying (that Jesus) that you're speaking of in 1844 was not the Jesus At The Cross)))) (don't be this blind) first of all the sanctuary never got cleansed.. in 1844... why would a dirty Sanctuary be in heaven in the first place you really got to think about this and not be this naive ...because the days the 2300 days never happened...( the 2300 days or the prophecy of Daniel 8 8 through 14 and you don't know what it means))!!! and you never will because you believe that false prophet in the first place!!!! now if you want me to explain this in detail...I can... because I've studied it for 50 years I know what you're doing ...you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth and you don't know who your Jesus is... it took me (3 seconds )to realize (what cult u. Are in )when I first started seeing what you people are saying... Hebrews 4 is exactly right but Hebrews 7 says who he is you might want a particularly Read 11 + 12 but all the rest is just as important and Read Psalms 110 ...notice he's sitting at the right hand of the father he never went from the outer Court to the inner Court... Hebrew s 7 says he's from the tribe of Judah. I was reading again what you wrote is there another sDa claims there is... they have the (Archangel Michael as being there Jesus also ))which is blasphemy as they blaspheme the sanctuary in Daniel 8.. also. when they claimed it is now in heaven..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv So Mary, first…do you know a guy named Jimbob? Anyhow, you start off by saying I’m “not telling the truth”. There is a name for that. Are you calling me a liar? You are. How do you know I’m lying? If I say something that is incorrect, but I believe it to be true, then I am not lying. Lying is saying something you know to be false in an attempt to deceive someone. Do you have the power to read my mind and know for sure that I’m lying? Or could I be saying what I believe to be true, in which case it’s not lying. Whatever. Next, what are you talking about, Jesus moving from the outer court to the inner court? Who ever said anything like that? Not me, not Ellen White. Next, yes the Levitical/ ceremonial law ended at the cross and Jesus, from the tribe of Judah is our high priest in the heavenly sanctuary as stated in Hebrews chapter 4. The day of atonement hasn’t occurred every year because, the Lamb of God is not sacrificed every year. He was sacrificed once for all. I understand that after believing one thing for 50 years, that when someone says something different it’s hard to let go. It’s not what I say, it’s not what Ellen White says, it’s what the Bible says. If you have a problem with that I suggest you bring it up with God. Blessings. More later, I gotta go.
SO YOU ARE WILLIAM STROUD. SOME FELLOW KEEPS SAYING I AM YOU. LOL. KEEP THE FAITH WILLIAM, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY GNASH UPON YOU WITH THEIR TEETH.
“But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:5-6 ESV
Jesus Christ Bore all sins, iniquities, transgressions and injustices on the Cross at Calvary. It’s pure deception to believe otherwise, namely that the enemy of our souls, Satan and the Devil is the bearer of our sins. Be on your guard !
Yes.... So true I agree with all the above...
John 19 vs 30 says.... IT IS FINISHED.
@@robbiebob6267 quote---es.... So true I agree with all the above...
John 19 vs 30 says.... IT IS FINISHED. unquote
So, since ALL the Ten Commandments are "finished". Then I can murder, steal , etc with NO consequences from God, Right????
What was finished were the sacrificial ceremonial laws!!! Given to the JEWS!!!
@mitchellosmer1293.... I am trying with all my strength to be level headed & polite to your response & your outrageous assumptions or whether to take it seriously...is it worthy of a mature intelligent comment by me or anybody else?.... & I have to say it isn't!
@@mitchellosmer1293 the New Everlasting Covenant rewrote most of the Ten. Some magnify others made less.
Example; to look at another in lust is adultry instead of caught in the act by two witnesses. Honor your parents will do you well insted of stone the child who dishonors his parents and hag them from a tree to make an example of them. Sin now is not a conviction but YHWH will chasten you in this life, even unto death if necessary.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:17 NKJV
Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical .
@@williamstarr2346 Completely wrong. Show me anywhere in their 27 Fundamental beliefs where it says this. Or listen to Pastor Mark Finley or Doug Batchelor you will never here what you said.
@@stevendavis6556 yeah but when you're baptized .(you're saying that the investigative judgment is part of your belief system)!!!!!!( Ellen says the devil is Jesus Christ in the 7th and 8th line of the third paragraph of the investigative judgment )!!!!!that destroys everything!
@@williamstarr2346 You are absolutely wrong. Check your facts before pointing fingers. SDA believe salvation is by grace and grace alone in Jesus. That does not mean we should not obey His commandments. Stop spreading lies
@@williamstarr2346 quote---Sda church does not believe in the gospel of Jesus christ, and the atonement that he make on the cross for us , they believe that keeping the sabbath day is their salvation, that is not biblical . unquote
Quote that from their doctrines and NOT your opinion!!!
Why do they think Ellen white is the voice of prophecy, when the Bible teaches Jesus is the voice of prophecy.
explain
@@peppernbo read revalations 19 and John 1. Ellen is not in the Bible.
@@jameskerrigan2997 she saying the church has the gift of prophecy
@@peppernbo the Adventist Church says Ellen white is the voice of prophecy. And alien's are from unfallen world's, and a lot of other dangerous lies. Glad I'm out of the country club cult.
““ 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.” Acts 2:17 NIV.
Hungry for souls? ““ *Go* therefore and *make* disciples of all the nations, *baptizing* them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, *teaching* them to observe all things that *I have commanded you;* and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.”
Matthew 28:19-20
Yeah but you got to make sure they're not believing in 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv quote---Yeah but you got to make sure they're not believing in 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins...unquote
What is that about?? I suggest you dust off your bible and read IT!!!
That book told me about the reformation and Christ's atonement
The BOOK desire of ages
Has had a major impact in teaching me about Christ
But of all books I've read: The great controversy has had the most impact.
Let's consider their fruits
Do they take care of the poor?
Do they feed the hungry?
Do they clothe the naked?
I had no place to live after my spirit medium family cast me out and falsely accused me of gossiping and stealing but who received me?
My adventist member who NEVER even knew me!!
My spiritual grandmother just had a heart attack because she was concerned about the lives of the 59 poor people she takes care of including me.
One of my biological grandmother's last words who was an adventist were hymn 133
Oh let me walk with THEE MY LORD
As Enoch walked...with Thee
I too was raised in Spiritualism. When I was 16 I asked for a Bible. When I got through 3/4 of the Bible I did not find what my father was teaching me so I figured it wasn't in the other 1/4 (it wasn't.) I went on a search for a church which taught out of the Bible without manmade traditions added to it. Soon I received Adventist literature and an invitation to a Revelation Seminar. God led me to the Adventist church, giving me the desires of my heart. It's been 40 years and I couldn't be happier.
Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@melodykubiak5850 Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@williamstroud1455 Thank you, and His blessings to you as well. I'm finding it interesting how much yelling is going on from anti-Adventists while the Adventists are calmly explaining.
11:44
The audacity of this man calling me a cult? Yes I take it personal. It's alright to steal, and to kill, and commit adultery and all the other sins which cannot be counted...but for the only one the 4th Commandment seems to be his sore eye...Tell us which of the commandments are you breaking or not breaking?
Subtract 457 from 2300. That's what created what you don't want to deal with. The false Jesus of 1844. It never happened. But it's got you,!
@@jimbob1644 Don’t count the year zero (0) and you get 1844. There’s no year zero in history, but you clearly added it in your calculation.
@@lyonpaque3100 what is Looney Tunes like you always talk about a year zero it doesn't exist
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv There are calculators on-line that calculate time from BC to AD. and all calculators come up with the same date as Adventists. You can't talk your way out of science and how the whole science world calculates time from BC to AD. Go use the calculators and you'll see how wrong you are!
Tell me friend, does keeping all the commandments save you?
And I'm not talking about the "10", for not all the commandments are listed there, especially the two greatest commandments. And as Paul says, you break one commandment, you break all the commandments. No one is justified by keeping the law. One is justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Salvation belongs to our God, not in our works.
Besides that, are you really listening to what he is saying. He is saying that she is teaching things that go expressly in scripture concerning salvation and atonement. Please, listen again.
I was raised in SDA church. Although I am not SDA today, they are wonderful people and they are not ever trying to trick people. They are genuine.
@@shannonhopson-p7h genuine but still mislead and not born again unto salvation. No different than genuine lds or jehos.
I was also raised a 3rd generation SDA, but when they “took a first stand” on the Trinity in 2012, I was very perplexed and earnestly prayed pleading with God to show me the truth of His Word AS HE WOULD HAVE US KNOW. After about three weeks the LORD, who is pleased with every good prayer, has blessed me to understand the truth even the most controversial texts as the missing years of Jesus.
Not our prayers but Christ’s prayers-He is ever interceding for us in heaven. He is confessing His own merits in our behalf. And before He returns with our reward he will blot out our ins in His Book or blot is out of them in the day of atonement.
That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God!
@@jimbob1644 no as there is no forgiveness of suns withhout shedding of blood Satan bears his ows responsability for sin
If you make someone drink you are bearing your sin and his sins as when someone makes other sins they are responsible for their sins also
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel it's not in the Bible and Satan is not a human being!!(( give me the verse that says that old or new.))) All as you've said as you have made the devil part of the (atonement) Leviticus 16:10 (is blaspheming Matthew 12: 31 and 32)!!!!!! there is no forgiveness! That's not Jesus in the investigative judgment that is the devil!
@@jimbob1644 quote---That's not what Ellen White says. She says the devil becomes the sin Bearer)! And the sins never go away! The atonement was done at the cross! She says that didn't happen! (Jesus Christ is the sin Bearer )1st Peter 2:24! She says( the devil is the sin bearer,)! so she changed who Jesus is! SDA is breaking the first commandment !they don't have the true Jesus which is God! unquote
I SUGGEST you RESEARCH that!!!
Leviticus 16:10
“But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.”
The scapegoat iS PRESENTED to the Lord!!!
He will let the scapegoat go OUTside the city!!!!
-Why is EGW responsible for what GOD SAID!!!!!!!
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@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Leviticus 16:10
“But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.”
-----This investigative judgment determines who of the myriads sleeping in the dust of the earth are worthy of a part in the first resurrection, and who of its living multitudes are worthy of translation (1 Peter 4:17, 18; Daniel 7:9, 10; Revelation 14:6, 7; Luke 20:35).
SO, according to you--it is Satan that decides who goes to heaven and who does not!!! THAT MAKES Satan MORE POWERFUL than GOD!!!!
Everybody who listens to anybody who criticicizes another believer, or church, should always keep in mind that Jesus was also criticize by His people, and even today His own people, as a nation, still teach that Jesus was an imposter. Now why did that happen, and is still happening today? Also keep in mind that those who challenged Jesus the most were the leaders/teachers of Israel. Why? I have been around many people of different denominations, and only those who have humbly studied the Bible and allow the Bible to interpret itself arrive to conclusions the SDA church has on the Sabbath, and a few other teachings. My own Pentecostal grandmother, who read the Bible daily, told me before passing away, that she was keeping the Sabbath alone in her house the best she understood, because she came to realize that the Lord's Day was actually the 7th day of the week.
I myself have had to carefully reconsider what I believe because of so many negative things others say about this denomination, including by former SDA's. And I usually find the same problems. The attacks are mostly on Ellen White. Why, because good contextual study of the word proves that the SDA church does indeed have a solid foundation, thus making it hard to refute. So attacks are redirected to the woman whom God raised during a time Satan also raised his false prophets like Joseph Smith. Satan did the same during the days of Martin Luther the reformer, and raised Ignatius of Loyol to counterattack the Protestant reformation.
Just like many have wrested bible scriptures to mean something else than its true meaning, many have done this with Ellen Whites writings. And it worst when people try to debunk her with wrested Scriptures.
On U Tube " Christian Scholars Forum" basically made up of 5 Ex graduates of Theology at SDA Universities NOW do not believe any of the unique and somewhat unusual doctrines of the SDA Church.
These 5 as well as their many Guests, mostly ex SDA can prove conclusively IMO from Scripture and Church History that EGW was a false Prophet and false teacher and a consistent small time fraudster.
The Scholarship of this Forum is Excellent 👌👍
@@alongcamejones309 sorry my friend, it was scholors that demanded for Jesus to be crucified. It was scholors who opposed the protestant movement. Education means nothing unless its consecrated to God. Without that consecration we just become educated fools.
@Mencari Kebenaran Well that is precisely what I have been saying. EGW has been weighed in the Balance and has been found wanting.
@Mencari Kebenaran So that is why it is easy to say that EGW was a false Prophet. Easy as falling off a log bec it's 100% true.
Yeah but nobody justifies the devil and Ellen White. Don't take scripture out of context!!
The 3 biggest problems SDA has:
1) EGW
2) Annihilationism
3) Ongoing Atonement
Adventists don't try to appear as mainstream. They call themselves a peculiar people
Peculiar isn't the best word for them. they're idiots.... that sounds harsh.. but those are the facts.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Mary!!!!!! Remember....''the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.'' Galatians 5:22-23
@@michaelreyes8182 you can grandstand behind that statement if you want.. because that makes you appear like you're more righteous than others ..Jesus called those Pharisees that denied the truth of who he was!!! their father was the devil !!!are you going to say that same thing to Jesus!! you see the word idiot actually has a definition! that fits people that choose not to believe truth,( or can't ,)but some people like to present themselves as nicer than God,, I only speak truth as it's written, (and word definitions),,,( you see (an idiot would set himself up to destroy himself )))!!!that is what the cult of SDA is about ...but they do it without realizing it !!and the leaders of the cult know this truth .! Saw a video (showing those people in that knowledge)!!! By Dale ratzlaff one of their pastors for 13 years .until he realized he did not have salvation !!!! Also videos by colleen Tinker.. it might be wise for you to look at them ...It's out there for you to see ..So they themselves admit it's about money!! but they like to keep all the rest of them in that (word )that I used.. but a wise person would see it!!! ... but you told me that you'd get back with me on the regular conversation we were having.. in the beginning .now I realize there is still room for that !to take place! but you did not !!! now what's the difference !you have to be honest ..I thought that was one of the Commandments,,, you guys hung onto! see that's what I'm showing you here ! I stand behind the word definitions that I use! that's called responsibility,, and honesty! if I tell somebody I'm going to do something, unless, some major catastrophe thing happens, I'm going to do it,. I'm not a woke person. People that truly know me know exactly where my heart is!!! as far as Love Goes !!they also know that I will tell them the truth no matter what kind of words I need to use!!( providing they're not Wicked!!! and that brings respect from anyone that I know,,, because they know I'm not going to lie to them, and I won't candy coat stuff! Merriam-Webster's Dictionary definition... For an idiot..... is a silly or foolish person... when someone believes a cult that is designed to destroy them... that is a silly foolish person.. very foolish!!!!.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
Okay I am here. Say what you need to say.
@@JustAMessenger-o7g okay you need to give me an answer before we start because that was the last question I asked you on the other stream. what is B.C.1. represent. That year on the Jewish calendar is 3760. counting back from 457 B.C... what does the number match to in B.C..1. Which is 3760 and A.D.1 is 3761 the starting point is Ezra 7:9 which is the first day of the first month establish for the Jews .as New (Year's Day in Exodus 12 )which is March or April. Counting backwards from 457 what is a.d .1 represent? When we get done with this. I'll show you what the 2300 days represent.? If you tell me the truth.
Dear people, follow God not people. Read and meditate on the word of God day and night. That's where you will get all the answers. I'm really tired of all Christian denominations putting each other down. May the Holy Spirit guide you, regardless what church you go to. Only God can convict.
@5:40....if you put catholics in the category of a cult, then why do you follow them in worshiping on a false day? an act that they claim as their "Mark" on power to change the bible, the commandments, and yet the protestant who claims sola scriptura, the bible only, follow the holy catholic church. look up what they and other denominations say about the sabbath. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments." in John 1 and several times in Paul's writings tells us that everything we have or was created came thru Him. in essence then, it was Jesus on sinai who gave the 10 commandments. and God Himself says what my lips utter i will not change.
Your issue is not a Sabbath keeping in the first place.... your issue is if you have an Ellen White Jesus... you don't have a Jesus any better than the Pope ...or Jehovah's Witnesses. or Mormons. because your Jesus is a Levite Jesus... created from Daniel 8:14. that goes from the outer Court to the inner Court 1844 inputs the sins of the people on the back of the (devil ) which makes the (devil the sin bear) and not Jesus Christ of Hebrews chapter 7 ... from the tribe of( Judah) and not from the tribe of( Levi) which is what that Jesus would have to be .(..that Jesus doesn't exist..)! you have no salvation.!!!.
You are so wrong and lost in this statement.
The errors of the 7th day Adventist church are designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.
quote--The errors of the 7th day Adventist church are designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.---unquote
-First of all---- "The errors of the 7th day Adventist church"--IS A worthless comment. PROVE your comment is true!! Quote FACTS!!!
Next---- "designed to send people straight to an eternal hell.", proves you KNOW NOTHING about the Bible!!!
There is NO "Eternal hell!!!
Revelation 20:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
You should check the historical facts. Though some Adventists called Ellen White a prophetess, she denounced that and said she was only a messenger. There are many great Adventist churches who pay little attention to Ellen White, since they emphasized the Bible first, foremost and last. If one reads Desire of the Ages, they will see nothing contradictory in light of the Bible.
The Bible first does not make a demonic Jesus in 1844 that does not forgive sin! It's written in investigative judgment ..if you don't understand that you might want to read it. No Christian has an SDA Jesus!! And she didn't denounce.anyting! She said if you doubt her you are doubting the word of God ..what else do you think she's saying!?
@@jimbob1644whats unclear to you?She denounced the fact that they called her "prophetess" just to be crystal clear.
@@gwensampson1336 but she also said if you do not believe her you're defying God himself. So she's really (saying God said )!!!!no matter what you say.. I know more about her than you do!. The woman was sent to you (by the Devil Himself) and you don't know it!
@@jimbob1644 We follow the Bible first...anything else is secondary especia
lly if it doesnt correspond with Gods word!I dont want to know anybody else but Jesus sir
Very true, reading everything in the spirit of prophecy has to say will give you a very deep understanding of the great controversy between good and evil. Not every adventist member was told about the spirit of prophecy?
It is finished, is exactly what Jesus said at the cross.
He also said "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (John 17:4, KJV)"
- Precisely _what_ was finished? That is the question. And to say Jesus work is completed is not Biblical. He is still at work in the Heavenly Sanctuary as a High Priest this very moment.
@@treefellonya My bible says HE is seated on HIS throne to the Right of the FATHER. Your witch says HE is in the Holy place with a mop and a bucket of blood. The Hevenly scantuary was never cast down, trodden under foot. The earthly one was and the Maccabees cleansed the scantuary of the false high priest Dec. 9th 168 bc exactly 2300 days after tit was poluted. Scripture, fulfillment and history says your 1844 nonsense was a made up lie.
@@treefellonya what's Jesus doing in heaven, right now for you right now.??.Randy. mark S
@@jimbob1644 Read Hebrews, it tells you right there.
@@treefellonya it says he went to the father and sat down!!( after he presented himself.).. until he makes you his footstool Psalms 110! Hebrews 7 says there's a changing of the law.) He doesn't practice levite law Anymore. But (that's about the true Jesus).. your Jesus is not the true Jesus you have the 1844 levite Jesus )that puts the sins on the back of the( devil.) Making Jesus Christ be the Devil himself in Leviticus 16:10 blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12: 31+32! You see that's the issue. There is no forgiveness ..so now you need to keep the law. ..Which is a death sentence!
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you!
Believers are no longer led or under the schoolmaster of the law!
Gal 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Adventists are led and are under the schoolmaster of the law!
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What Adventist fail to understand is sin is overcomed by GRACE...not by the sevies pityful efforts in law keeping.
Pray for this cult and its false gospel.
Simple question MATE, is it okay, to murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, etc?
The point you glaringly miss, is that, when the Holy Spirit indwells humanity, THE LAW IS KEPT. It's a law of Love.
If you understood the verse you're quoting (Romans 3:19) you would know that the condemnation of the law condemns those who are under the law and not those in the spirit of the Law.
Hebrews 8:8"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord..."
Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts...":
@@lyonpaque3100 its so difficult to talk to someone who doesnt know how to use their bible.
FYI, law doesnt prevent sin!
You see mate law increase the knowledge of sin! Grace conquers sin!
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
But as SDA belief is the law is still binding placing themselves under the power of the curse of the law I will need to explain what that law is and to who it applies.
Lets start shall we?
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The law is the covenant ten commandments. T/F ?
@@bop-ya-good just because we are under grace it doesn’t mean we can murder,steal,cheat etc.If you love God and your fellow man you are not going to do bad things.Out of love toward God it comes automatically to do good.Salvation it’s not about works but faith without works is dead.Again just because I am saved I am not running around shooting people.This guy talks a lot of vegetables.
@atreastaasreas1965 no what it means we are not under law but under grace. You add law you lose!!
Man made it clear we fail on our own so Jesus came along so thankfully.
I am not a member of any church. I did a little study with Mormons. A little study with JW's, they both come a knocking. My husband was a RC & l have stacks of that theology that l have saved & filed along with the other. Now, l can tell you l have studied deeply with SDA's and EGW never claimed to be a prophet. The church claims that & l agree with them. She herself never claimed to be a prophet. As you read her writings, she never says anything contrary to scripture that l have found. I think God uses her to explain the meaning to make it easier to understand. My RC husband once said, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Adventists are in first place." I tend to think, this post is splitting a lot of hairs. Yes, Satan is Suttle. Although l am not a member of the SDA church, it would be my 1st choice. AMEN!
There is no religion/Church today that has not deviated from the truths of the Bible. As for SDA they have even deviated from the words of Ellen White “Christ is not equal to God Almighty”
My brother who's living with us is a SDA. He's constantly trying to force his beliefs down our throats. My husband and I are true ordinary religious Christians and find the situation so difficult that we now asked him to look for another place to live ❤
Are you sure that part of it might have been that you were under conviction?
Best wishes on your relationship going forward.
The Bible supports your decision.
You are not to allow a cult member to come into your home, much less live there.
A little yeast leavens the whole bread.
@@treefellonyaconviction that adventism is false ?
@@s_hrndz0119 That would be impossible, since it is the only Church on Earth that has the whole truth. If you are being told to stay away from Adventist truth, its either that you do not want to give up your rebellion, or Satan is steering you to another path.
@@treefellonyaAh really? Adventism was officially founded in 1863, not even 200 years ago. So please do tell sir if the SDA Church is the only church on earth that has the whole truth who had the “truth” for over 1,800 years before them ??
This a great teaching to debunk any false doctrine.
There wasn't a single Bible teaching or scriptural reasoning done here, it's all this man's feelings. Listen again, it's all an appeal to prejudice.
He or she who is without disease please let me know and I will gladly sign up and join that church..blessings and joy continue increasing unto you and yours in Christ Name Amen Shalome !
It might depending on the power that's preventing the diseases for what you use to get rid of them. My grandmother could do witchcraft and make it go away! She was a church member. Did you want to join her church! And the deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the Beast
No Adventist has ever claimed to be free from disease, so what you're saying is purely sarcasm. Adventists tend to be HEALTHIER than the average person. That's been proven by non-Adventist studies, as well as Adventists.
The Holy Spirit was given to us to lead us into all truths and to Christ the light.
The Word of God is lamp unto my feet and a light on my path Psalm 119:105
Hellen white was inspired by, what spirit? Not the Holy Spirit according to the bible they confess to follow!
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ellen not hellen--lol
Seventh day adventist is not a cult, some people are very zealous about this religion, some people can be too strict and can be just plain rude. We believe in the Bible as the only truth. That is why we go to church on the Sabbath. As a whole, we don't believe in condemning people for their believes. I'm sorry to those who had deal with rude and judgmental people in this faith, In the end, there are rude people wherever you go. It should be about having a relationship with God first, then a church.
Well let's see what you actually are saying. This is not rude or judgmental this is what (Ellen White says) your Jesus is!. Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing !when you understand this. In the investigative judgment August 31st. Maranatha page 251. She says the The second goat of Leviticus. Of the old sanctuary process. (Becomes the the devil)!!!!!!! the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which is what (Jesus said he does in 1st Peter chapter 2:24!. ) So now you're Jesus is the devil! (She says the sins are not ever blotted out!) Denying! What God Says in Isaiah 43 verse 25. By claiming the devil is the sin bear !) she also destroys 1st Peter 2:24! She completely destroyed the cross !with a false Jesus! The Jesus she's speaking of in 1844) is a levite Jesus)!!!! and Hebrew 7 says he is from the tribe of Judah )!!!!and not about the law! You can be perfectly happy with the devil in that congregation you're speaking of!!! but that's all you're doing! If you're believing Ellen! (You see she broke the first commandment) and, is asking you to do the same thing! That is your belief system! And your comfortably numb with that!
I would like to know which denomination is he from
The devil used the scripture in the opposite side to day, as he had used against eve and Adam from the beginning in the garden of Eden, thanks you brother Jim for well define clearing the scripture. .
Poem of the SDA`s Salvation.
Those who accept the Saviour, with hearts pure and true
Their conversion sincere, their faith shining bright and new
But never should they be taught, to say or to feel
That they are saved, for this is not entirely real
For our journey's not complete, until we reach the end
And though we strive for righteousness, temptations will still bend
So we must always be mindful, and seek His guiding light
To lead us to salvation, and make our wrongs take flight
For we are but human, with weaknesses that we hold
And of ourselves, we cannot save, and never should be bold
To say we're saved, for that's a matter for the Lord
And only He can judge us, and bestow His holy word
So let us always be humble, and trust in His great grace
And walk the path of righteousness, with humility and faith
For only then, when our time comes, shall we hear Him say
"Well done, good and faithful servant, enter into heaven's way.
Find a person who says they are saved and ask them if they are ALSO a good & faithful servant.
@@bobreese4807 my salvation is in the finished work of he cross. His works not mine.
Adventists have a different righteousness mate.
Paul explains this ....
Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
This is the false gospel of adventism and Ellen.
@@bop-ya-good You are a parrot victim of modern antinomian Pharisees , mentioned in 2 PET 3:16. You don't know what the gospel and salvation mean. PAUL?? Read Rom 2:13, 3:31, 5:9 &10, 8:4, 1 Cor 7:19 and Phil 2:12...Tit 3:5 Run for your life from Calvin or evangelical heretics!!!
@@bop-ya-good is that the 1844 Jesus that does not forgive sins.... that was created by by the false prophet Ellen White??
@@JamieElison Its the righteousness as described by Paul...Rom 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
They are on probationary salvation.
I've been getting the impression that those who are trying to prove the 7th-Day Adventist understanding of God's plan of salvation for the fallen human race is unbiblical have not studied the topic with the honesty of purpose of a true disciple of Jesus, the Messiah. And it's a very true and helpful statement to say that we need to be led into the Truth by the Spirit of Truth and should not listen to men, especially if they regard themselves as educated and "qualified".
I like what you say...Im SDA ofcourse...not following any human dead or alive...but JESUS.AMEN
@@gwensampson1336Stop being a hypocrite. All Ur doctrines R based on good old ellen visions
@@charnelallan7159..You yourself should keep your eyes fixed on Jesus Christ the author and the finisher of our faith, to make sure your house is in order, let God and God alone judge the SDA people , if we are against him and his will, he will judge us accordingly..not this preacher or any other so called Christian condemning sda and called them cult..may God have mercy on your soul.. before you picked the speck out of your brother's eye, make sure you take the log out of your eye first.. good day..
@@keletikeleti2095 Ephesians 5:11, “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE them.”
@@brass1951 What happened if you're wrong what then ???
They say that our sins were placed on the scape goat,that is a dangerous lie,our sins were placed on Jesus,they say the mark of the beast is keeping Sunday worship,that is a lie,the mark of the beast is a chip that will be placed on the forehead or in the hand or you cannot buy or sell,they say that the non Christian will be burnt up,that is a lie,hell is eternal,man is made up of body,soul,and spirit,after death he still lives forever,Luke chapter 16, either heaven or hell,they say they have replaced Israel,a big lie,they have not replaced Israel,Israel exists today and will have 7 years to recognize Jesus as their as their messiah,they say they are the 144000 in revelation,the Jehovah witnesses say the same nonsense ,the 144000 are Jews,the names of their tribes are mentioned
Yeah and they even say the scapegoat is the devil!
Thank you Pastor Tim! Now I understand that God has a people, just like Israel, who have a truth to reach out to a world that is perishing for lack of truth. SDA administers a liberating truth about God that I hope one day you too will understand and receive!
Matthew 13:52, 53 "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
Old and new things...like the law of God, the old and new testaments. Blessings as you study God's Word.
Not able to tell if you are opposed or for this video.
@@Musicmadedifferent To be honest, I have not viewed it. If it's more anti-Sabbath, anti-Adventism video, I don't feel like wasting my time. I only want to say the Bible teaches that the commandments stand, including the 4th. If I'm wrong please show me where from scripture.
@@williamstroud1455 I did
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Did what?
@@williamstroud1455 I showed you from scripture ..that you can't exist.. can't happen.
without the 457 to 1844 equation it doesn't happen.
Coming from an Anglican church background, and I discovered that SDA is a well organized church, I learnt more about the bible. They are not cults.
But the investigative judgment says the devil becomes (Jesus Christ). Did you ever read it?. The prophecies you're being taught here are all lies ,because I know them all. It took me three seconds to realize what they did( with the 2300 days) that belong in Daniel 8... All's you have said is (you never learned anything in the Bible where you were)!! and now you think you are.!( That's how they hook you,!) They don't have the real Jesus!
Well they don't have the Jesus Christ of Hebrews 7 that makes them a cult
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv quote---Well they don't have the Jesus Christ of Hebrews 7 that makes them a cult--unquote
THAT IS AN OPINION with NO facts!!!
CULT:
#1----a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St. Olaf"
#2----a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
Similar:
sect
religious group
denomination
religious order
church
faith
faith community
belief
persuasion
affiliation
movement
group
body
faction
clique
#3----a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
Looks to me that EVERY religion/idealogy FITS every definition!!!
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It's not a cult but currently they are not preaching what they are supposed to teach and preach... Daniel and Revelation and we are God's movement of Revelation 14
You can deceive those only who don't know the Bible truth who have pleasure in iniquity (sin) transgressions of God's Law 1 John 3:4
Adventists are on Probation! The poor sevy isnt saved! He is in an Investigative Judgement!
Only his past sins are dealt with on the cross and the binding law is still judging them!
Horrors....
Paul describe this righteousness ....let me Quote.... Rom 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Us, that are actually saved have the righteousness of Christ fully! Given as a free Gift.......Adopted as a son, we can do something adventists cant do and call out Abba Father for we are righteous not trying to be righteous by obeying laws!
Rom 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Now I understand MATE!!!. You want to be saved by the righteousness of Christ, but continue to lie, steal, commit adultery and murder.
What you fail to understand; God's law is Love. If the Holy Spirit indwells you, the Law of Love is automatically kept in you.
My Goodness, haven't you heard that God is His Law? This is not complicated!!
@@lyonpaque3100 First, you dont not understand.
Second you are agreeing with paul description of righteousness.
LOOK im quoting your belief from pauls writings....for you....!
Rom 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. T/F
At least a small thankyou would be appreciated.
So you are trying to keep the law mate, hows that going for you?
Bless you dear Pastor Tim for opening my full understanding of what all this is about. I thank God for the very great gift He has given you to explain it so very clearly. Thank you too that you know all about the very evil cult of Roman Catholicism out of which I, my late husband and my daughter with which I now live were by the very great grace of God delivered out of away back in 1982 praise God. Hope to hear you again very many times and may God very greatly bless you in every aspect of your life and loving Christian Greetings all the way from Ireland from this 84 year old at nearly 1 am and full of praise for God my Loving Heavenly Father who by the Holy Spirit led me to this time of very great blessing tonight.
Anyone keeping a Sabbath law is under law.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
If you are led by a law sin will have dominion over you!
Exactly, but sda are so blind to see all these.
If you live under the old covenant,you are under a curse.
And God said "Remember" perhaps also in the sense of, not that it has been forgotten but as an admonition to ensure that we take that time to rest and more importantly, to spend with Him. Remember the day. Don't get so busy, so caught up in your earthly life that you neglect the great honor of spending time with Him on His holy day, the 7th day Sabbath. I had something else but it's gone from me. Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
The investigative judgment August 31l Ellen G white estates , sharing the vision, three-and-a-half paragraphs down in Jesus Christ as priests, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them on the scapegoat ,bearing the sins for his role was sent away into the land not inhabited. you got to remember both of these goats had to be (perfect).. and there was lots cast, who would be the one to be sacrificed ,the other one would be the goat that bears the sin's....( Jesus said he does both)!!!!! Ellen makes( one of those the devil .). She says christ...(will place the sins upon Satan.)!.... (making making him be the sin Bearer ) (making Jesus and the devil partners for your salvation)!!! so the devil becomes Jesus Christ!!!..( he loves it)! this is not 1st Peter 2:24 !this is who (she said you are serving ) ..it's exactly what the devil is going to do ,when he (incarnates the Antichrist at the end of time! )...and you're worried about him!
@@jimbob1644 OK, this is not your fault and it can be kind of hard to wrap your head around. I suggest praying for discernment before proceeding. Jesus bore our sins to the cross and paid, in full, for the sins of every human being. Will Jesus bear our sins forever? God forbid, and if you understand the sanctuary service you know that He transferred our sins to the sanctuary. As part of his punishment, the devil will be made to feel the pain and misery he caused by his rebellion. Is it not fitting that he should be made to suffer for all the trouble he caused? In the end he will be made to feel, or bear if you will, all the misery his rebellion caused. In that sense he will bear sin. Not that he will atone for it. Jesus has done that. Only He could do that. In the sanctuary service, on the day of atonement, one goat is sacrificed and His blood is carried and sprinkled within the most holy place. That goat is a "type" of Jesus whoseblood was shed for our sins. The other goat, or type of the devil, has the peoples sins symbolically transferred to it and is bannished to the wilderness, a symbol of hell. A fitting end for him wouldn't you say? Blessings to you as you study God's Word.
@@williamstroud1455 how long does it going to take you to understand that 1844 never happened... And what happened there according to you destroys the cross! because everything you're saying is what Jesus did at the cross!. He said it's finished!! The levitical law was done!!!! Hebrews chapter 7 read it.! Verse 11 12 13 and 14. It's not about the law! He changed it!. he's from the tribe of Judah) he's not practicing levite law! what's going on there is a levite thing! And you're saying it wasn't finished! You're blaspheming what he did at the cross!. And you're saying it wasn't finished at the cross..((( Isaiah 45: 25) (If they're blotted out and they're remembered no more)!!!...( what's sin is going to be placed on your demonic devil)!!! (It's not written in the old or new!.) That Ellen creates it...( apparently that's not important to you. )!You're destroying every scripture texts describing what Jesus did to fit your narrative!
@@williamstroud1455 you're just blaspheming what Jesus did at the cross! (when he said it's finished !)apparently you don't know he blots out your sins! and he remembers them no more!( Isaiah 45: 25.) He did that he immediately after he paid the penalty !! ( You're saying your sins are still remembered )!!!and they're going to be with the devil)!!! So it's not finished that's why you're saying that!. That's demonic!!! that's not Jesus Christ ..that's is not the 1st Peter 2:24 .you don't have salvation. and you don't have Jesus !I do understand! About the Old testament sanctuary. That's just not happening in heaven! but he said it's finished he's from the tribe of Judah! not from the law Hebrews 7..( your Jesus is a levite Jesus )!there is no such thing! Going from the outer Court to the inner Court. And saying it's still not finished at the cross. you see I know the prophecy of Daniel 8 if you knew it and believed the truth of the Bible .(you know you're in a cult!). Daniel 8 is about the Antichrist at the end of time! The functioning time is 2300 days!
@@williamstroud1455 they're blocking my response to you I'll try again. Isaiah 43:25. When that happened right after the cross. What sins are you talkin about!???? All's you're saying is you're not forgiven! That's the difference between Christians and people from SDA. Jesus said if you believe Him. Like Abraham. you're saved! present past and future! he knows what you're going to do. You're saying no that's not true right. You've got a levite Jesus) read Hebrews chapter 7 that's not what it's about! You're blaspheming Jesus! I do know the levitical law! The changing of the law ,Jesus tells you in Hebrews 7! He's from the tribe of Judah! not about the law! he said it's finished at the cross! You're saying the cross has nothing to do with you! Based on 1st Peter 2:24 and Isaiah!
Very powerful appeal to prejudice.
I'd have expected as Christians we'd at least use one scripture verse to debunk things.
This man may be sincere with his faith and understanding of scripture as many of us are. But Eve was also sincere when she approached Adam with the forbidden fruit. Sincerity has its place in our relationship with God, but its not what saves us. It is the Word of God. He mentioned about a book in the mail that did not have SDA on it, implying that they are being deceptive, but why would they put the name of their church on it, when you have people like this men making people prejudiced against them?
I just finished reading about the leper Jesus healed in Mark 1:43-45. Jesus, "having sternly warned him," said, "See that you speak nothing to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a testimony to them."
Why did Jesus say this to him? Mark tells us. "But having gone out, he began to proclaim much and to spread abroad the matter, so that He was no longer able to enter openly into the city, but He was out in solitary places."
The Jewish leaders always hindered the work of Christ and His disciples, and Jesus had to warn the cleansed leper to not tell anyone that Jesus healed him so that these prejudiced leaders don't hinder his work. This man in this video is also hindering the work of the SDA church. I understand the concern he has, but he is mistaken about this church, just like the Jews are still mistaken about Christianity. Nothing new under the sun.
But if SDA doesn't have the right Jesus!!! you want me to prove it???? Another words the 1844 Jesus the Helen White Jesus saves no one!!!!!.. if that's your Jesus ..you're not saved.. you can grandstand all you want. you and the Pope.
SDA failed their trail when the prophecy of jesus coming in 1944 failed don't forget what deu 18 :22 says about such failed prophecies
@@shibahtash4700 amen sister !but if you don't change that 1944 to 1844 they will attack you! 😃but even then they will attack you!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv it was a typing error but it won't change the fact why people refer SDA prophets as false
@@shibahtash4700 absolutely right I've studied this study this cult from core. root. Because one of my friends got caught up in this cult.. at this point he has no salvation nor does he know a thing about prophecy ..anymore .because this is what I've done all my life. is study prophecy. which is been 50 years. the Cornerstone of their theology comes from the core of what I've studied .which is the Book of Daniel .and if you don't understand Daniel 8 you can't understand any Prophecy in the Bible! and their false prophet destroyed it! so they have no prophecy they have no truth and they have no Jesus! because Daniel 8 (she made a levite Jesus) going from the outer Court to the inner Court..( parently that Jesus didn't say it's finished at the cross )..they're taught to teach that from their ministers .and I have listened to some of the great ones. .the devil has got the whole group in ones place.. and he's not releasing hardly any of them!
You can't decide if they're the true church when you are in error. You keep Sunday holy which is a doctrine started by Catholicism, along with Easter and Christmas etc
Sharing the vision. Ellen G white estates. The investigative judgment maranatha. page 251. Google it.. it'll come up in 3 seconds. In the middle of the third paragraph. (Ellen says the devil becomes the sin bearer) of Leviticus 16: 10. When Jesus said he does that 1st Peter 2:24. Hebrews 9:28. Ellen says the sins are placed on the devil for all of time !and they never go away .they're never blotted out and they're always remembered. Destroying what Jesus said In Isaiah 43 verse 25. Claiming that the devil is part of the atonement. Saying that what the devil does the work of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12,:31+32 blaspheming the Holy Spirit! She says that is your Jesus! Your Sabbath means absolutely nothing! Look who your Jesus is!
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@jimbob1644 you're twisting what is mentioned in the book. It doesn't say that Satan is part of the atonement.
I'm not sure if English is your first language or not, it's not not my first language and I understand what the paragraph says.
You're right she doesn't tell you that. The second goat is Jesus Christ ) of Leviticus 16:10. ( she put the devil in the position of Jesus Christ. )!!!The second goat of Leviticus 1610 is Jesus Christ)!!! Atoning for the sins of people.)) (She says the devil is in that position!!)!! and Jesus Christ is not there! Which is ( attributing to the Devil himself with Jesus Christ did it the cross.!!! You have no atonement !!!and you have no Jesus. !!You use the word Jesus but you have nothing !!!you're not saved!! To attribute to the Devil with what Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit does himself... is blaspheming the holy spirit Matthew 12! If you get baptized in the SDA Church. you agree that that is the truth.( the investigative judgment .)otherwise you can't be a member!
@@warlyfresh the uploaders blocking the comments to you but I think you can read what I wrote to you!
Churches that observe the sabbath and are not seventh day adventist; would you consider them a cult as well?
No I get the feeling to observe or not observe is not the problem here Paster Tim has gone on record saying observing the sabbath is okay but do it unto the lord hope this helps to provide background here
I joined the charismatic church last year and it seemed as if I was bound by a spirit of pride and fanaticism when God FREED ME she came to my school with tears of concern for me life... She wept over my then - current condition and prayed with me with tears and gave me food to eat and a belt for my torn trousers
My mother and uncle fell from the sda church but today they smile as they remember the teachings of their Adventist mother. My uncle sang about john one day when he wAs drunk and sang adventist songs, it seems leaving the church brought him many griefs but now he misses home .
There still seems to be residual 1888 problems in the Church. Most people don't have a clue as to what that means, but it is important since so many people still live on one side of 1888 or the other.
charismatic is babylon leave and enter the adventist the only truth
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel How is Adventist the only truth?
@@jonsmith8116 quote----How is Adventist the only truth?--unquote
Who else teaches that the seventh day IS the Sabbath???
@@mitchellosmer1293 why would SDA have the only truth? The Hebrew Roots moments keeps the sabbath.
Cults are arrogant and think that they are the only ones who can be saved. They all have unique beliefs about JESUS that no one else has.
● JESUS was created.
● JESUS is an archangel.
● JESUS was only human and was chosen to be the Messiah.
● JESUS is his own FATHER or THE FATHER is really JESUS.
● JESUS was a prophet and not the savior.
● We are equal to JESUS.
● The Trinity is pagan.
Cults may not recognize that all things were created through JESUS and without Him nothing exists (John 1 : 1 through 5 and Colossians 1 : 16). Some do accep it but it is their beliefs about who JESUS is that makes them a cult.
Cults will argue that they have the correct interpretation of the sceiptures even though no one has ever taught what they do.
Cults will add and subtract from the scriptures.
As an Adventist of many years standing I have to agree with this presentation sadly. I say sadly because I have many good friends in the church who have been gullible just like me and believed in the authority which the church leadership has attributed to Ellen White and the teaching of the investigative judgment of 1844. But no more. Be careful not to be too hard on the church members it’s the leaders at the top that are going to face God one day. There are many “loving and lovable Christian’s” to quote EGW. in the Adventist Church.
Thanks
U are totaly rong,BECOS THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THE SABBATH DAY.THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)IS NOT WRITTEN DAT THE LORD JESUS BLESS THE FIRST DAY(SUNDAY)BUT THE 7DAY SABBATH (Exodus ch20:vs 8-11
Your Sabbath day has nothing to do with it ...when you have their Ellen White Jesus... her Jesus is the 1844 Jesus you have no salvation... that went from the outer Court to the inner Court in 1844. putting the sins of the people on the back of the( devil )which( makes the devil the sin Bearer).. when the Jesus of the Bible says (he is our sin Bearer )!!the one that is Hebrews chapter 7... not the levite Jesus your false prophet Ellen (created )going from the outer Court to the inner Court.( that Jesus stole the cross.) and you have no salvation..!!! you can preach all he want you have nothing.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv if you dont keep the sabbath you break the whole law and will receive the madk of the beast
we obey not to be saved but willfull disobedience like cain is not well received by God
all sunday churches are babylon
I attend a Adventist Church and they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. They might quote some of her Writings.
However our Bible Study consist of Studying Scripture and speaking about it.
The whole SDA is a Cult is completely off the mark and very sad really. These are good Christian Folks and they shouldn't be slandered.
If you believe that Jesus is Lord you are my Brother or Sister. Please just approach us will Love and Respect. We honor the word of God.
I mean not to knock Catholics people themselves but if anyone's a Cult it's Catholics. They believe some very bizarre things that aren't in scripture. Like purgatory, praying for absolution, Mary having perpetual virginity, that the Eucharist is the Literal Blood and Body of Christ??? Which is scientifically untrue if you tested the wine that they give or the little wafer I'm sorry it doesn't have a Humans DNA. It is SYMBOLIC. WHEN CHRIST FIRST GAVE OUT THE EUCHARIST HE GAVE IT OUT IT WASN'T LIKE HE CUT OPEN HIS HAND AND PUT BLOOD IN A CUP AND CUT OFF HIS FINGER AND FED IT TO PEOPLE! It was symbol of his Divine Nature. Also that you can pray to Saints as a Mediator between you and God. Jesus said "I am the way I am the truth No one comes to the Father unless through me!".
Catholicism was basically Roman paganism rebranded. Saints Replaced Roman Gods.
Peter was NOT a Pope and there is NO evidence he was in Rome. The first Leader of the Church after Christ was JAMES THE JUST!, We know this because it's actually in the Bible. Read Paul's Letters. The Center of Power for Early Christianity was Jerusalem not Rome. Paul was the one who brought Christ's message to Rome. Peter and James wanted Gentiles to follow Jewish Customs of circumcision and Kosher. Paul called them out "Right to his Face" about it. That faith in Christ is enough. That faith in Christ is a New covenant.
The Catholic Church was created by Constantine the Great when he converted in 336AD, His Wife traveled to Jerusalem to find holy relics and to find specific places like where Christ was crucified. They intentionally made Rome the seat of Power for the New Church for Political Reasons. They needed to justify it so they took "On this Rock" verse out of Context and claimed Peter was the First Pope given Divine Authority. Which is not in scripture! Paul called Peter out! If Peter had Devine Authority, Paul would have never done such a Thing. Also we have a Non Biblical Source that James the Just was the leader of the Church from Josephus antiquity of the Jews. He tells how James was stoned to Death.
Peter was a Jewish Christian and followed Torah and the Old covenant.
I have spoke to so many Catholics and they're just so ignorant about their own doctrine. I literally spoke to a woman who is a chaplain for the Catholics and she had no idea of the Mary perpetual virginity Doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches. She was completely clueless. And the fact of the matter is that Catholics treat prayer exactly how Christ instructed us not to. They treat it as some sort of mantra some sort of ritualistic activity. When Christ told us
"When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words"
Repeating the same words over and over "Hail Mary" is completely against Christ's instructions. Prayer is an private and intimate relationship with God. It's you speaking to God. Not from a que card, not from a pre written prayer. It's like this
"Father, please forgive me my sin of Lust, I want to better, I want be better, please protect my children during my operation coming up, sometimes I do not feel worthy of your Grace, I will keep my faith strong Father, in Jesus Name I pray" and when you Pray, do it in Private so no one can see you. You aren't Praying to be seen by others. People who do that are doing it for Public Praise, not for their true Relationship with God.
All of this is in Scripture. If only a Catholic would simply READ THE GOSPELS!.
As far as Seven Day Adventist Church goes. Each Church is granted a lot of autonomy. You'll never find two Adventist churches that are the same. This Church I started attending about a year ago. Everything they have preached has been based in Scripture. People wear regular clothes, they drink coffee, they eat meat and we have just regular conversations. Just standard Protestant Faith. I can't speak of the Historical aspect of the Church of Ellen G White and being a Prophet having visions. I can speak of how my Church practices the Faith. It's all based on the Bible
I am sorry for anyone who belong to an Adventist Church that was extremely legalistic and preached false doctrine of Ellen G White being a Prophet.
I think she was simply divinely inspired much like how I believe Martin Luther was divinely inspired. The Holy Spirit works through us to deliver God's Message.
There is nothing controversial about that.
@@starcityrc3298 if being legalistic means you don't steal, commit adultery, covet, lie, worship or bow down to other gods, etc, then Paul, Peter, James, Jude and the other disciples were legalist because they wrote in their letters, "if he says he knows Him but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar and the truth is not in him. the word prophet or prophetess is translated from the words nabiy and nebiyah, (pronounced naw-bee and nee-bee-yaw, meaning inspired or in some cases one with a message) she, mrs. white did not write the doctrines. she was there in case the leaders, which she held no such title, while they studied scripture to form the teachings. doctrines. the adventist church teaches that true faith in Christ Jesus brings an obedience out of love for what He has done not just for us, but also in us thru the work of the Holy Spirit. if that is legalism, then all Christians should be a legalist.
@@jeffsimpson7282 no Christian does what you're suggesting anyway !!..well how does that make you righteous!!! you got the 1844 Jesus )!!! That doesn't forgive sins!! (That's your real big issue)!!! you have no salvation! You can keep the law all you want ..you were going nowhere!!!
@@starcityrc3298 no she was completely demonic !she had security issues from the time she was a child! That is most likely why the other girl hit her with a rock!! and when she had her first Vision that( embolden her) but it wasn't a vision!! From God !!people granted her credibility! It was a way they could save their congregation they built everything on A lie...from their forward!!! And that caused her to love it.. she was now the center of attention.!!!from then on, she had as many she needed to keep her security ..all you need to do is subtract 457 from 2300.. a true Prophet can't lie !!! that's the first lie !!!that destroyed Daniel 8! and Daniel 9:27! because the 2300 days are a piece of that prophecy !!!and every Prophecy from their forward!!! ... Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you to( understand this) you never have.!!!.. the lie about the 1844 misinterpreted scripture text in Daniel 8.that created an (1844 Jesus) that would have had to be (a levite )!! that does not save anybody ....because Jesus of Hebrews 7 was from the tribe of Judah) and (not about the law)... he said it's finished!!!!!!! it's[ finished at the cross ]!!!!and he was the( sin Bearer )...[[[[.The Ellen White Jesus does neither)))) it's a cult!!! I can explain it in detail right down to every word meaning and Daniel 8 (and everyday of the 2300 days)!!!!!!!!.. and everyday and every date and Daniel 9:27 (to the day)!!! which attaches itself to seven other chapters of the (same subject pretty much throughout the scripture )!!! She is totally demonic!!! I have studied this for 50 years the uploader has only givin you a very small piece of this picture!!
@@starcityrc3298 no she was completely demonic.. she had security issues since she was a child. that's most likely why the other girl hit her in the head with The Rock. And when she discovered having visions that would embolden her... But it wasn't a vision from God. !!!And beings sda was collapsing they used her!. To save the congregation !and built everything on the 1844 lie !!that never happened.. which changed every prophecy of Daniel 8 and Daniel 9:27 but just to SDA ..and ( not Christian's) because Christians understand this!!!!!! because all the prophecy hangs on those two texts for the future. That's why nothing they preach today is true !! They have the Jesus of 1844 because that Jesus does not save anyone!! For if that were true.. that would have to be at( Levite Jesus and Jesus !!! (The Jesus of the Bible is from the tribe of Judah) and not about the law Hebrews chapter 7!!!!!. And he said it's finished at the cross !!! but that is not what Ellen White's Jesus does! The 2300 days are in the middle of Daniel 9:27 with the (agreement for Daniel 8 )Jesus told you to understand this!! In Matthew 24:15 I don't think you do! otherwise you would never have been in SDA in the first place!
The New Testament teaches that there is only ONE Creator (the Almighty Father; Holy Spirit), and only ONE Begotten Son (Jesus the Christ; the Living Word), and only ONE Written Word (the Bible; Scripture), and only ONE Church... which Jesus claimed and referred to specifically as, "... His church" (Matthew 16:18). Jesus clearly mentioned how he would build His Church, and only His Church. He did not make any reference whatsoever to any other church. One Church, and ONLY one Church, exists in the universe... to which Jesus Christ is the Head of, and His followers make up the Body of Christ.
The Bible instructs the followers of and believers in Jesus to stop here. Period. And not to go any further, for to do so would be to "add to Scripture." Adding anything else to this concerning denominations, the "trinity", "KJV only", etc... is all the wisdom of man who received it [as a thought/idea/suggestion] from the leader of the opposing army to Jesus, and often referred to as "satan". So if the conception of anything beyond Scripture starts with the enemy (satan), then it is all demonic. To be "demonic" (by defintion) is to be "resembling, or characteristic of demons or evil spirits."
One Creator. One Son. One Written Word. One Church. That's it. Anything added to that [or subtracted from] has a foundation built by demons.
Being a follower of (believer) Jesus, the Only Begotten Son of the Father, is sufficient. All denominations accomplish is to create division among professed disciples of Jesus through the allegiance to their [whichever] organization, leaders, doctrines, etc. Denominations among His followers are not anywhere in Scripture nor mentioned by Jesus (who clearly opposed them); they came from man who was initially given the thought [by Satan] whenever it was the concept began. If a person recognizes and partakes in them, they subsequently and incorrectly validate the denominations as scriptural and become guilty of "adding to Scripture". Identifying as anything other than a "born-again believer" or "follower of Jesus" or anything similar, is to follow "mans wisdom" and not the words and teachings of Jesus.
Stop adding to Scripture. Stop subtracting from Scripture. The written Word of the Almighty Creator is just fine without your assistance, and it doesn't need anyone's suggestions, thoughts, or whatever else to make it better or easier to understand.
The Almighty Father did not decide to have man begin a new "remnant church" defined as a "... visible, historical, organized body characterized by obedience to the commandments of God and the possession of a unique end-time gospel." It would be somewhere in the New Testament if legitimate, yet it is nowhere. It is just another example of the thousands of false "doctrines of demons" as the Bible refers to and warns of. If you were to do minimal research on Ellen White, you would see that she is a fraud, and so is the entire movement. Have you ever spoken to or read anything written by someone claiming to be a member of the 7th Day Adventist?? They quote the writings of Ellen White 95% of the time, and the other 5% shared by the words of Jesus and the various authors who were led and inspired by the Holy Spirit. Ellen White's inspiration was herself and other members of the religion she helped create. Stay away from anything taught in the 7th Day Adventist teachings that are not supported by Scripture.
www.wayoflife.org/.../a_warning_about_seventh_day...
A born-again believer should minimize their following of man as Scripture instructs and focus on Jesus, the Living Word and Only Begotten Son of the Father. No "trinity" is mentioned in Scripture; just a a few incorrectly understood verses. Therefore, by definition, it is a "doctrine of demons". Jesus said he did nothing without the Father (Holy Spirit), but he never said he did anything with "god the Holy Spirit", nor made a single reference. The Father exalted Jesus, and He now sits at His right hand and is equal to the Father, and all that the Father has He has given to the Son for He loves His Son;
"The Father loves the Son, and has given all things in His hand. The one believing in the Son has eternal life. But the one disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him”. (John 3:35-36)
If the Almighty Creator (referred to as "god the father") were equal to Jesus (referred to as "god the son") before His resurrection, than how did He exalt Him in the first place??
One of equal status to another is not capable of raising that other, for by what authority, superiority, or higher rank is there to do so if the two entities are equal to begin with??
Definition of exalt: "raise to a higher rank or a position of greater power." How can one who is no "greater" or "less than" capable of advancing or raising that other to a higher rank??
And why would there be a need for any of them (the trinity 3) to exalt the other if they are all equal??
And how would it be even possible for the Father to give Jesus anything if equal to one another, and already accounting for 2/3rds of the trinity?? etc, etc, etc.
Stay away from anything and everything to do with a trinity, triune, 3-in-1 god, or whatever other name you want to refer to this destructive and demonic doctrine as. There is better or more perfect leader (King) in this world, and there is only One King that you can trust 100% without a shadow of a doubt; and His name is Jesus, the Christ and Only Begotten Son of the Father.
Jesus is either the Only Begotten Son of the Almighty Father, which He is and which is easily proven many times over in the Word... OR, He is "god the son", which is 100% false, makes no sense whatsoever, and is never mentioned in Scripture and therefore cannot be supported or proven.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO [SIMULTANEOUSLY] BE "THE SON OF THE ONE TRUE CREATOR" AND "GOD THE SON"... SO WHICH ONE IS IT??
Is He the Son of His Father, which is taught, supported by, and can be proven within the Holy Scripture... or is He, "god the son", which is NOT in the Written Word, and which WAS conceived by demons, and is also influenced and supported by demons and with the help of [deceived] man.
Are you still incapable of figuring out who "god the holy spirit" is??
Can you not think of one entity created by The Father and through The Son (as were we) whose desire to be "worshipped" was so great that he lost everything??
If you can figure out who desires worship more than any other creation ever made in existence, than you have just discovered who "god the holy spirit" truly is and who you have been praying to and worshipping whenever you teach, preach, or believe anything other than ONE FATHER and ONE SON.
If anyone attempts to preach/teach anything to you that cannot proven within the Holy Scriptures, and continue to do so even after being corrected or rebuked... follow them no more.
This is EXACTLY what Scofield did.....somehow convince us that we needed HIS insight to understand Scripture. Such blasphemy!
Blasphemy? I dont know who this Scofield person is, so I have no comment on him. But please consider this. Did not Jesus have to send His disciples to re-teach Jews how the messianic prophecies were fulfilled by Christ? Jesus commanded them to preach the gospel and all the things He taught them. And what do we see throughout His earthly ministry? We see Jesus often having to correct the people's theological understandings. His disciples had to do the same thing. Why? Why was there a need for that? What the devil did with the Jewish people in leading them to misunderstand much of the scriptures, and corrupting the scriptures, he has done with Christians. Not everything Christians believe is wrong, but there are several issues that need to be re-evaluated. God still has to be raising up people among Christians to bring people back to true meanings of Scripture. And right along all that the devil does not stay behind. He is right at work and uses people he has deceived to counteract what God is striving to do for all of us.
God still chooses to use people to help people. Its how He has always operated. Its up to us, with the help of God, to know who is from God and who is not. The bible gives us a few major things to help us with this.
1) The help of the Holy Spirit.
2) Isaiah 8:20. To the law and testimony.
3) Matthew 7:15-20 we shall recognize them by their fruit.
Eric. Are you SDA?
@@jimbob1644 No, I'm Presbyterian
@@ericnichols3252 so what are those what's the meaning of the word blasphemy in the statement you first made
My experience with the SDA is nothing like any of these comments are saying?
I have no idea where this slander is coming from. Why there is so much hate and animosity.
If you walked into the church I go to and nobody told you it was an SDA church you would never know. You would just assume it's a run of the mill Protestant Church.
The people are warm and welcoming. My Church actually was one of the few that stood up against the COVID Lockdowns and refused to close the doors.
We believe in being saved by Grace Alone. Everything we base our beliefs on is in Scripture..
Ellen G White is rarely ever mention at my Church. Typically just a quote or two.
We focus on what's actually important. The Bible. We will read a verse and then it's an open format to discuss. Anyone is welcome to attend.
One of my Favorite Christian Speaker is Dr. Michael Brown. Just to give you some perspective. I really enjoy Lee Strobels content as well.
I will pray for those of you with unwarranted Hate against my Church. If you believe Christ is Lord. You are my Brothers and sisters.
Please don't hate us.
New Creation Seventh-day adventist church in Lancaster County, Nebraska
This guy really is ''picking and choosing'' to make a case, but still gets his tongue in knots with truth.
see 55:52. 56:22 LOL cat got your tongue brother Tim? LOL. SDA doctrine is Bible based, period. Anyone could do the same thing to ''Pastor Tims'' teachings so whats his point? No SDA is afraid of what they believe. They would be happy to come by to one of these meetings and answer for themselves. Does that seem reasonable?
Sda's are afraid of what they believe because the Devils got their mind!! because when the( curse of Galatians 1 one kicks in they don't know the truth)!!! see your false prophet Ellen destroyed Daniel 8. so you don't know one Prophecy in the Bible!!!( you can't interpret Daniel 8 through 14 it would be impossible if your SDA!!! I have studied the scriptures for 50 years. On these prophecies.( it took me 3 seconds to understand the LIE of SDA) and it took me one second to see yours... see your Jesus is the( Ellen White Jesus) of 1844 that puts the sins of the people on the back of the( devil which makes the devil to sin Bearer) and makes that Jesus a levite Jesus !!!!there is no such thing) because the Jesus of the Bible is in Hebrews chapter 7 !!from the tribe of (Judah) also you said yes you can grandstand all you want but you don't have salvation !!!!nor do you have the real Jesus !!!until you get the real Jesus you're not going to understand a thing here..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv It's clear you have a very unhealthy hatred for SDA ...thats not a good thing my sister. Somebody has fed you a lot of nonsense about the SDA faith and thats sad. Now you insist I'm frightened and beings you have 50 years in your Bible and i don't can we pick a topic from Scripture and compare our differences? I'm waiting but not holding my breath. Sincerity, your brother in the faith, Mike
@@michaelreyes8182 yeah give me the interpretation of Daniel 8 verse 8 through 14..( in its context )..!!! tell me what each verse means...( don't take anything away from it don't add anything to it!!!! don't leave Daniel 8!!! you can use anything that is in Daniel 8. but nothing else!!! and then give me the meaning of Daniel 9:27... do not leave the Bible ...don't add anything to it ..Daniel 9:27 I don't care where else you go to. in the Bible but don't add anything that's (not written in Scripture) just because your mind might take you there does not make it true...!!! unless you can (prove it belongs( in that text)!! .. I need the option to show you what Jesus himself said about the topic... which is not in Daniel 8 ..but he tells you to look there..and understand...so I need to be able to show that to you!!!....I'm waiting on you!! I noticed you've already made the decision that there's( hate )involved there's no hate involved here !!!except for the devil that created this cult!!!!!!!anyway so you're starting out with a judgment call that you know nothing off.
Can I sit in on this one. Because this is going to get good..!!. Because I have never seen an SDA person know what he believes. And and can support the belief system using Bible only!!! Without leaving the Bible.... Because the Bible interprets itself completely!!!
@@jimbob1644 sure, why not!
Tim Conway is authentic; a man truly born again.😇
This guys a piece of work. I’m a seventh day Adventist and you are saved by grace. The sabbath that is in the Ten Commandments . And hungry for souls 😂😂😂. I’m trying to save myself and working on my own soul by working on my relationship with Jesus Christ.
“The ones that say things that it sounds right, almost right and it’s hard to discern…. Typically the cults are gonna tell you they believe the Bible.” Man this guy is much. It’s crazy most of the people in the world believe in the same God but then look and listen to Humanity . Or The Devil at the works to divide.
Are you saved now? You may have missed the part about word’s being used by Christian’s that mean something else. What does saved mean? Honest question to an SDA.
Can't be saved by grace with the 1844 Jesus!
@@andje_izidor_music you didn't come to Christ if you came to the SDA association because they don't have the Jesus of the Bible. They use the ( name Jesus) but it's (not the Jesus of the Bible.) Your critical thinking is not working!. There is no 18 44 Levite Jesus going from the outer Court to the inner Court. Ultimately placing the( sins on the Devil himself!)( Which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit)! That Jesus does not exist!
@@andje_izidor_music who do you think you're speaking to?
@@andje_izidor_music now you're making since. I don't even know why you're on here what do you gain?
absolutely one of the best lectures I have heard on the heretical teachings of SDA. I grew up in the church and I have been in deep spiritual oppression until I was recently born again. All glory to God and Christ's finished work on the cross.
Sooo, what's He doing right now? Just kicking back with the Father watching what's going on here?
Hellloooo
Hi Allison..... Like you I was in the faith years ago & I felt the same & now I'm living the best happiness days.
Pr Tim did a fantastic job in his presentation ... Well researched, articulated, clearly spoken & giving scriptures for godly foundation.
Yes glory to him our Jesus who went to the cross & said in the book of John..... It is finished!..... Hallelujah.
There is no heresy in the 3 angels the fact that your church does not preach 3 angels proves you ar ein babylon
@@williamstroud1455 Psalms 110 until he makes you his footstool!
He sounds right! But there's one problem. He rejects catholism. Pope Damasus 1 presided over the Council of Rome in 382 AD over seeing Jerome. So why should any of them trust scripture? Does he not see the contradiction in his talk? The Catholics gave him the bible. And Jesus said hell would not over take the Church...
THANK YOU!!!!!! You have got the right view of Ellen G White. Thank you sir. She was more subtle than Joseph Smith & Charles T Russell combined!!!!! I hope you debate Doug Bachelor one day.
you ar ein babylon if you reject the 3 angels message then that the mark of the beast will fall on those who reject the truth
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel it's not written to you! it's written to the remnant the elect )..and that's not you!
"It is finished" -Jesus the Messiah, circa 30 A.D.
Hallelujah!
the first part is finishes
now bible says Jesus keeos working for cleansing of the sanctuary
Gabriel says so in DA 8 14
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel And the Book of Hebrews says he is presently our High Priest, yet these people think its "finished" SMH. I thought he was finished _before calvary_ ? "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have _finished_ the work which thou gavest me to do." (John 17:4, KJV)
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel the Maccabees cleansed the temple on Dec. 9th 164 bc, after 2300 evenings and mornings starting on Aug. 21, 174 ad. Antiochus fulfilled the prophecy 2100 years ago. There is no such thing as a Investigative Judgement, to say there is is a false Gospel and a lie. What does that make you? Gal. 1:8.
I am so glad to be a member of that SDA cult.Jesus said, "If you love me...keep my commandment." and guess what...they are keeping God's commandment..not nine ,but all ten!
I am so happy to be a member of the SDA cult..because when Jesus found some folks " messing" with one just one commandment, he told them that their worship was in vain.
.See Mathew 15:9...&...Mark 7:7
At least I would not hear such damning words on judgement morning!
I would remain a member of the SDA cult ...because I want my prayer answered .
See Proverbs 28:9.
I am staying there until death because of Reverlation 22:14.
There is simply no better place to be on judgement morning...
i wish you can direct me of a better place..
I think there is room for one more intelligent person.
What Jesus meant when he said “ If you love me, keep MY commandments”
JOHN 14:15
If ye love me, KEEP MY commandments.”
it’s VERY clear, He said in the book of John “KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
The answer to what Jesus said, is IN THE BOOK OF JOHN as well, NOT in the other book.
What Jesus meant by “ if you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
In the book of John, you will find the answer
JOHN 13:34
“A NEW commandment I GIVE UNTO YOU. That YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
What Jesus said that “if you love, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”
It was NOT the 10 commandments He was referring to,
It was HIS COMMANDMENTS He was referring to.
Chapter 14 of the book of John is the continuation of Chapter 13 of the same book.
JOHN 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
JOHN 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
That is how you will understand or comprehend the context of the WORD of God in the holy scriptures, NOT by picking verses from different books of the bible and connecting it to other verses to misled and deceived believers for centuries, just like what the SDA church is doing.
The old testament was external, Jesus said your righteousness must surpass that, and it must be internal. See the sermon in the mount for example. Far higher standards. Speech, thoughts, actions, character, attitudes all changed by the Spirits power
@@bokelvin165 IT IS OBVIOUS you have NO Common sense nor understanding of scripture!!!
>>>>quote---JOHN 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments...unquote
Exactly---BUT read more!! Is Jesus God?? Did God give the Ten Commandments??? If so, then THEY ARE HIS Comandments!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 Let us find out who has a common sense, adventists or Apostle John.
I JOHN 5:20
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
According to the beloved apostle John, Jesus Christ is God, and not just God, but “ A TRUE GOD”
According to apostle John as well, Jesus is God.
JOHN 1:
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
And this TRUE GOD was made flesh, and manifested in the flesh to save mandkind
I JOHN 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.”
God has sent His BEGOTTEN SON, so that we might live.
Tell me then, who has the COMMON SENSE, you, the adventists or the apostles of Jesus Christ!?
Jesus said: THIS IS MY NEW COMMANDMENTS - John 13:34
That ye LOVE one another, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU,
The COMMANDMENTS of Jesus is LOVE,
LOVE YE ONE ANOTHER, NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!!
John 13:35 BY THIS!!!!! Shall all men know that ye are MY DISCIPLES, if ye have love one to another”
That is why Jesus said to HIS DISCIPLES and followers.
JOHN 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.!!!
Again, what is Jesus Christ’s commandments???
That if we really love Him, we MUST obey his COMMANDMENTS???
The answer of Jesus : LOVE YE ONE ANOTHER, BY THIS!!! Shall all men know that ye are my disciples, IF YE HAVE LOVE ONE ANOTHER - John 13:34-35
JOHN 13:34-35
34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
For once and for all, tell me again, who has “the COMMON SENSE” you or the apostle of Jesus??!!!’
Furthermore, Jesus Christ is different from His Father, the God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who handed down the “TEN Commandments “ to Moses in Horeb.
Yes, Jesus is God - 1John 5:20.
But Jesus is different from the Father who sent Him on earth- John 3:16.
And Jesus Christ, being sent by His Father. Has a message to mankind, when He came down on earth and was manifested in the flesh.
And Jesus Christ has a NEW commandments- John 13:34-35
But the Jews and the adventists doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ who was sent by God that they claim they believe.
And by not believing in the messenger that God the Father has sent, they are not believing to the SENDER of the messenger which is God the Father Himself.
Adventists are anti-Christ, same as the Jews.
@@bokelvin165 WHAT ARE THE TWO Commandments that Jesus spoke?????
ALL the ten Comanmdmenmts are those two????
Matt 22:[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The FIRSt 4 Commandments ARE ABOUT OUR LOVE FOR GOD!!!!
No idols
No other gods
Not say His name in vaim
Keep the Sabbath!!!
If you want to argue with what Jesus said, argue with Him!!!!
The otherr 6 ARE ABOUT our love for our neighbor!!!!!
There is no denominations in Heaven….. Only Jesus!! So don’t follow denominations….. denominations are like clubs and associations… look to the doctrines and teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible! Check and learn what Jesus Christ said about Sabbath. Don’t follow men…. Follow the teachings and discern the Truth of God’s Word!
Yes! Apostle Paul was so clear about this 1 Corinthians 1:10-13.
We need ONLY to stick to the Bible and the Holy Spirit as our Advocate, Helper, Teacher for guidance.
Thanks well said
What does Hebrews chapter 4 say
We were actually told not to admit to being SDA. In other words lie in order to recruit others.
The 40th anniversary of my baptism is in August and I've never been told that.
@@melodykubiak5850 Expect statements like this because it is a fulfillment of Rev 12:17. Many times there are outright lies. That is how much Adventists are hated, and it will get worse as you live holier and live closer to Jesus.
@@treefellonya ~ Apart from the occasional person on the Internet, I've never encountered hatred or disdain for being an Adventist. Most people accept that we are a Bible-believing Christian denomination. I wish these people would take the time to actually understand what we believe from Adventist sources without the influence of negative preconceived ideas about us. There are plenty of Adventist sources available. For instance, Amazing Facts and It Is Written have excellent Bible study courses.
I'm not an Adventist I'm still looking for one near me. What maybe me to choose this domination and to trust it is how in every argument they bring up they fully back it up with scripture without taking it out of context, that is something that other denominations don't do
@@melodykubiak5850 "I've never encountered hatred or disdain for being an Adventist." You must be sheltered then. Its rampant.
First of all. What denomination is Pastor Tim?
Tim is non-denominational, but would be considered reformed Baptist. He deals with that question in this clip: ruclips.net/video/DRhP7TfU-CE/видео.html
Thank you for this comparison i wish every adventist would take the time to watch this
The New Testament gospel and the theory of an investigative judgment are not compatible.Christ is now reigning,
He is now judging.Rev.14:7”The hour of His judgment has come.The judgment of the world took place at Calvary. John 12:31;Rom. 3:25 .Christ is the judge ho meets us in the gospel to give us the verdict of the judgment “today”.
Really?!!! Then why is Jesus our high priest in Heaven?
1) Hebrews 4:14-15 “Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
2) And explain the books in Heaven where people are being judged.
The Bible clearly says it in Revelation 20:12:
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”
3) Where on earth did you get that the Judgement hour took place on Calvary?
PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT FROM THE BIBLE, as I just explained to you how you are wrong from a Biblical perspective .Where do you people get these ideas from?!!!!!!!!!!!
@@lyonpaque3100 Ellen says your Jesus in the investigative judgment .is the devil! Maranatha page 251
Before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed it was "investigated". Go back and read the story.
If Jesus is bringing our reward "with him" when he returns. Then we have to have been investigated already. Revelation 22:11-12 KJV
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
@@marysmith861 yeah but your Jesus becomes the Devil himself. In the investigative judgment. That's not the Jesus of Hebrews 7. Ellen says that's your Jesus. The one that makes (The devil be the sin Bearer,). And then come up with the investigative judgment. You have no salvation.. that's the issue. She says that your Jesus!
Please Jim use particular scriptures against SDA Church not by your own understanding let word of God judge
Well.... he does use scriptures!
Jesus said "I did'nt come to do away with the commandments but to fulfill them .
Correct. But there is a real sabbath. Not Saturday Adventist. The sabbath is not Saturday or Sunday Friday.the sabbath is seventh day after six days of work. Ezakiel 46-1. Isaiah 66-22-23. Psalm 81-1-2.3. So we have new moon day, the first day of the month then 6 days of work then sabbath day.
These new age pastors don’t ever mention that and it makes me wonder why the hell are they reading the Bible in the first place
All's you said is you don't understand Hebrews chapter 4. Jesus said he did fulfill it! At the cross!
It’s not a cult, it’s only the religion that have strict doctrines ..They have the best teaching..
It wouldn't matter they don't have the real Jesus! They have the 1844 Jesus that does not forgive
Just watch his videos, he is comparing the so called “strict teachings” with scripture bible alone…. Would you follow the bible or a false gospel. Adventist gospel should offend you because they make it sound like Jesus sacrifice was not enough. Theres no man in the world that would go through what He did and yet its not enough? You have to wake up man. He just covered the surface… they teach so much more false gospels.
@@marksanagustin8732 you’re so wrong my dear..you did not study the Gospel.you don’t have the right to say those words. Seventh-Day Adventist has good teaching, they are the real religion try to study the Gospel and you will realize you are very wrong.May the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind..
You don't have the Holy Spirit you can't speak on the subject
@@shanerogers3663 theres a reason why you clicked on his video. I hope you watched it and listened. He did nothing but read the teachings and read the bible and didnt mix anything up with his own words……
If SDA was a cult, members would be required to believe particular church dogma, such as Ellen White’s writings. We’re not.
Ellen White herself wrote that readers should read their Bible and not rely on her writings. She said if her or anyone else’s writings help a Christian understand the Bible, then fine… read. But, the Bible is to be the Christian’s guide.
Besides Ellen White, Adventists read writings from other authors such as Philip Yancey and CS Lewis. Cults prohibit adherents from reading anything other than that church’s dogma.
Now, there are individuals and even pastors who rely inappropriately on Ellen White’s writings. But, that’s them, not the SDA church.
I teach Bible to young teenagers, and I don’t use Ellen White’s writings. I use the Bible only. I’ve never had comment from the Church; never will.
Why do we worship on Saturday rather than Sunday? Because the Bible says to. Please see Genesis 2:2-3, and the fourth commandment. We keep the Sabbath on the Seventh day of the week rather than the first day of the week because that’s what God did and that’s what He entreats believers to do.
Works? We’re adamant that salvation is by faith, not works… straight from the Bible. At the same time, scripture says that faith without works is dead. Works are not for getting salvation; rather, works on Jesus’s behalf is a celebration of our coming to faith. It’s in the Bible.
The church does have a collection of beliefs. The church operates the second largest network of schools and universities and hospitals and clinics, so a statement of beliefs is especially essential for an organization.
Adventism takes Jesus’s second coming seriously, and advocates for its adherents to heed the three angels’ messages in Revelations 14:6-12. Further, Adventism encourages members to adjust beliefs and lifestyle to conform to the Bible so as to be members of the remnant church described in the Bible. Is that works? Does obedience to the Bible constitute works?
Christian pastors and influencers would serve God and humankind better by helping people understand the Bible than trying to classify Adventism as a cult. If it was a cult I would not participate, but it isn’t and so I do.
I am a member of the SDA Bible-loving Church "Cult." Our doctrines are wonderful. All solid Bible-based doctrines. You can easily find it online. A lot of good people in the church. Also a lot of hypocrites. Sad but true. But hey, people are free to choose
Amen!! It is hard to not try to show these people how they are wrong, but we are not to argue with demons.
I used to say the same things you are saying. Look into the trinity, and you will find the first false doctrine of many. No organized religion has the truth. "Come out of her my people," is a plea for people to leave the lies of organized religion and follow Jesus, the son of God. Not God the Son. I sincerely pray you consider what I am saying. May God bless you.
@@dustyrose853 Bible study works best when discussed with others. Doing it alone can open a person to self interpretation and very had things have come of this.
@2sarahloves I convene with others and Jesus. There are many other people who join together outside of the organized religions. I didn't say anything about people having to secluded themselves. In my experience, when people don't want to hear God's truth, they push those people sharing it away from them. Essentially, shunning them even if they have worshipped together for years.
@@dustyrose853 so what truth do you have that nobody else has!?
Mistake No. 1 is asking a religious person if you should join a religion. People, you have brains. Think for yourselves, and no, that's not a sin - it's called being mentally healthy.
And how are we to know if what you say Pastor Tim, is not from the devil trying to demonize Adventism. Jeremiah 17:9. Does that include your heart sir or just the lost ones?
Why do the statements to you always get erased tell me that.
@@JamieElison How do I know? Am I in charge of the internet? Im here now. Lay it on me.
@@williamstroud1455 457 B.C. Is 3303 on the Jewish the year 1843 is the year 5603. When you subtract. 3303 from 5603.. what's your answer ? Got to remember we're dealing with the ninth commandment here.
What's taking you so long to answer the question?
@@JamieElison Having trouble following you line of thinking here Jamie. OK, 6503 - 3303 = 2300. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" if I remember correctly, is the 9th commandment. And what about that? I don't follow you. Yes, God's Word is truth. Seems you are touting the 10 commandments. I believe in them too. What about the 4th, Jamie? Do you believe it as well. This time prophesy stuff can be confusing, I know. It takes some time studying God's Word to understand. Can I help?
I thank God for freeing me from the legalistic, proud mindset of the SDA church
There are often challenges with legalism, it is true. However, for those truly seeking God it happens- in every denomination. Every Christian struggles with it at some point - if they are truly converted. Hopefully we grow and realize that we cannot do it without Christ - but that does not mean holiness is not attainable. Oh, and BTW - It isn't pride, its called confidence. We know we have the whole truth.
This is what it means to have a school master. The Law shuts us in, makes us a slave, realizing our sin. We struggle to overcome and realize, as Paul; "Who can deliver me from this Body of Death?" - I thank God through Jesus Christ... The initial struggle is legalism.
However - the Bible says the Law is Holy and Just and Good. And again "Shall we sin that grace shall abound? God Forbid! - Jesus liberates us from enslavement of breaking His Law, to obeying it. That is not legalism, but Grace.
@@treefellonyaShow us where the Law commands us to be vegetarians.
@@johnwheeler9186 Ellen White commanded Veganism. She claimed it was evil to eat meat and that it made you less holy and less spiritual
@@johnwheeler9186 But the Word does tell us to take care of our bodies, and in present day earth, there is enough evidence in the Scientific community showing that pig flesh and other forms of meat shorten life span - something Ellen G. White said was a problem even back in the late 1800s. And Leviticus. Wasn't even ceremonial laws back then. Those were health laws. "Oh but the health laws were for the Jews" they'll say, as if good health was pronounced just for the Jews.. SMH.
@@johnwheeler9186 yeah but is your Jesus the Jesus that it described in the investigative judgment in the third paragraph line 7 and 8 The Ellen says is the devil!
God created the New Testament for a reason ! It's the new covenant that we live by . God's greatest commandments , Matthew 22 ; 36-40 . All 9 commandments are in the NT except for keeping the Sabbath . Colossians 2 :16 .
really? does teaching come by just words? or by example as well. the gospels mention several times that "as His custom (habit, teaching) was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day." in the book of Acts Paul is recorded doing the same, not just the jews but gentiles as well and once the gentiles asked him to come back the next Sabbath to tell them more. in antioch he and barnabas stayed for a whole year(Acts 11:26) then later in chapter 14 "stayed a long time," Acts 18 he reasoned with jew and gentile for a year and a half, then on to Ephesus teaching, preaching for 3 years. Jn 1:1 it's said "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God." if Jesus is the word, can He go against his own word? if He is the word and the word was God, and he says of HImself, "I speak not of my own but what the Father tells me" how can the Father go against Himself or His word or the Son speak contrary to what the Father has said? i'm sure if you study there were different sabbaths in the ceremonial feast days and weeks. these were not part of the 10 commandments but the "laws of ordinance" which Moses wrote in a book that was placed in a compartment on the outside of the ark. these were the laws for the ceremonies, feast. they were yearly sabbaths. they all pointed to certain aspects of Jesus work for salvation. the 10 commandments were placed inside the ark, under the mercy seat along with aaron's rod that budded and a pot of mana. adventist believe Pauls instruction to Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16,17 that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." there was the nation of Israel, whom God had called them not to be just different or peculiar but to share their witness to others. but as the prophecy foretold they would fail and their rejection as a nation of Jesus sealed their fate, as a nation. individually yes but not as a nation. from the time that Stephen was stoned, the gospel went to the gentiles, by Peter going to Cornelius and after Paul's conversion. that is why Paul many times referred to believing gentiles as Abraham's seed by faith and being grated in, and heirs according to the promise. the spiritual Israel not the fleshly Israel. all the promises given to Israel were now for spiritual Israel. but as many forget, not just the promises, but also the warnings. there is a promise in Isaiah 66:22,23, speaking of the promise of a new heaven and new earth, "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another. all flesh shall come to worship before me" says the Lord." if God says this is the way it will be in heaven, why should anyone say, no, i will do it my way? is that not why there was rebellion in heaven with satan?
really? the verse in Colossians is referring to the feast day sabbaths, which were annual sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath. and teaching is done not only by word but by example. " as was His custom He (Jesus) went into the synagogue to teach and to preach." read Luke 4:16-30, 6:6-11, 13:10-16, 14:1-5. and in Acts you will find many instances of Paul doing the same, in different places on his missionary trips, once for 3 weeks he taught gentiles on the Sabbath, then for months in places such as Antioch, Phillipi, Thessalonica, even a year in one and a year and a half, and in Ephesus for 3 years, "as his custom was." in James he says if you break one you break all. Paul says "I would have not known sin if the law did not say thou shalt not covet." God has said " what I utter from my mouth I shall not change." "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever." and Paul says "thinking it not robbery to be equal with God." and Jesus said " for I have not spoken of Myself, but of the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what i should speak." how then could there be any difference between them? the bible says, " can two walk together if they not be in accord?" perhaps you should go back into the Law books and find the difference between the 7th day Sabbath and the annual sabbaths of the feasts. the 7th day Sabbath was on the tables of stone, under the mercy seat of the ark. the annual ones were written by Moses in a book that contained the directions for sacrifices and when and how to keep the feast days, weeks. that book was the law contained in ordinances that was put in a compartment on the side of the ark. those pointed to the work of Christ in salvation. those were what was "nailed to the cross," not the 10 commandments. look up Sabbathtruth.com and watch the series with Hal Holbrook. you will learn a lot.
@@jeffsimpson7282 are you SDA? if you are ,I want to show you who your Jesus is !!your Sabbath won't matter!
I love how you support with the bible quote about the new covenant ; it's also backed up in book of Hebrews, and yet....... people don't want to believe.... you get a whole bunch of argument back. to which I will add Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
@@jeffsimpson7282 none of that matters you don't have Jesus Christ as your savior! You got the 1844 investigative judgment Jesus ..that becomes the Devil himself read it!!
Who are we to judge
Do seminaries only use the Bible for instruction, or do they use the works of many Christian authors? I looked up his sources about SDA beliefs and Pastor Tim left out 9 of the 10 Denials, which paints a much less nefarious picture than he does.
Ellen White in the investigative judgment, maranatha page 251. Says the devil is the sin Bearer )making Jesus be the the devil)!!!! and the sins are never blotted i out!!!! there placed on the back of the devil!. Destroying Isaiah verse 43 verse 25. And 1st Peter 2:24. Breaking the first first commandment because that's not God! They have nothing!
"You have been estranged from Christ, you who seek to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace!" Galatians 5:3 and later "those who are led by the Spirit are NOT UNDER THE LAW," Galatians 5:18. Paul wrote so much against the turning back to the old ways. If you seek to be justified by the old covenant you are bound to keep the whole law! Jesus told us about what was coming- the new cannot patch the old, He has made an entirely NEW garment! The new wine would BURST the old wineskins! The law is good, but we were the gaping hole within it, unable, without Jesus, to live up to a holy standard. Hebrews says that restrictions like food, clothing, and festival days were upheld until the time of reformation! We have come into a Kingdom that isn't seen or shaken. I pray that our SDA brothers and sisters come to hold fast to the LIBERTY by which Christ has made us free! Amen!
Seventh-day Adventist all believe that they are saved by grace through faith. None believe that they are saved by works. What most of us also believe is that because we are saved, we should be grateful and choose to obey God's law out of love: John 14:15; 1John 5:1-3; 2John 2:6; James 1:25, 2:10-12; Matt 22:37-40; Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14
@@returntoeden by Grace from from who? the investigative judgment. maranatha page 251. Ellen ( makes the devil be Jesus Christ.)!!! That is who she says you're Jesus is !read it!( making the devil be the sin Bearer )!!and (the sins are never blotted out )! Destroying who Jesus is.!!!! Isaiah 43 verse 25. 1st Peter 2:24! There's your grace!
@@jimbob1644 Grace comes from the God of Creation YeHoVaH & Yeshua both. How do you honor the God of Creation if not abiding by His word Rev 14:7; Exo 20:11; Gen 2:1-4?
@@returntoeden all you're saying is you're calling Jesus Christ the devil. That's why you're saying what you're. you don't even know what the Bible says!. The equation that created that lie in the first place .you can't get from 457 BC in the spring of the year to the fall of 1844 with 2300 it's impossible. See I know what the 2300 days actually mean. You believe the lie! You're saying there's a sharing arrangement between the devil and Jesus Christ for atonement! That's blasphemy!
@@returntoeden you know( by attributing to the Devil with Jesus did)) in in 1st Peter 2:24 and Hebrews 9:28. And claiming there are no more sins Isaiah 43:25.( Attributing what the Holy Spirit did at the cross..( that to the devil). ( like you just did)!!! which is the Holy Spirit. Look what Matthew 12: 31 and 32. Is saying about you!
"He ever liveth to make intercession for them" Heb. 7:25,
If that is not necessary, why does He do it?
IF you said that the EG books should have the name of SDA on it, then you should say for other Christian denomination authors. It is because EGW is in believed to be an inspired religious writer. Other than that SDA has 20+ doctrines that does not mention EGW in it. If any Christian denomination has the audacity to criticize and called SDA a cult, then they should look at themselves, basically not all Christian denominations preached the complete gospel and yet condemning others
But sda is a cult I've studied it for years and I've studied the prophecies for 50 show me one true that they have that's scriptural pertaining to prophecy ..and who your Jesus is.. if your Jesus is .. The Ellen White Jesus ..you do not have Jesus of the Bible ..(nor do you have salvation) this is real easy to prove !do you want me to do it! See it's not audacity.it is just the facts!!
@@jimbob1644 Please show and less talk!
@@noninago they are blocking the comments when they quit he'll respond if if I have enough energy I'll show you what he would have told you. it may not happen right now. but come back and look at it later. The big issue is they have a levite Jesus it does not forgive sins they never discuss it. They just choose the word Jesus .and speak as if it's the same person..
I attend a Adventist Church and they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. They might quote some of her Writings.
However our Bible Study consist of Studying Scripture and speaking about it.
The whole SDA is a Cult is completely off the mark and very sad really. These are good Christian Folks and they shouldn't be slandered.
If you believe that Jesus is Lord you are my Brother or Sister. Please just approach us will Love and Respect. We honor the word of God.
I mean not to knock Catholics people themselves but if anyone's a Cult it's Catholics. They believe some very bizarre things that aren't in scripture. Like purgatory, praying for absolution, Mary having perpetual virginity, that the Eucharist is the Literal Blood and Body of Christ??? Which is scientifically untrue if you tested the wine that they give or the little wafer I'm sorry it doesn't have a Humans DNA. It is SYMBOLIC. WHEN CHRIST FIRST GAVE OUT THE EUCHARIST HE GAVE IT OUT IT WASN'T LIKE HE CUT OPEN HIS HAND AND PUT BLOOD IN A CUP AND CUT OFF HIS FINGER AND FED IT TO PEOPLE! It was symbol of his Divine Nature. Also that you can pray to Saints as a Mediator between you and God. Jesus said "I am the way I am the truth No one comes to the Father unless through me!".
Catholicism was basically Roman paganism rebranded. Saints Replaced Roman Gods.
Peter was NOT a Pope and there is NO evidence he was in Rome. The first Leader of the Church after Christ was JAMES THE JUST!, We know this because it's actually in the Bible. Read Paul's Letters. The Center of Power for Early Christianity was Jerusalem not Rome. Paul was the one who brought Christ's message to Rome. Peter and James wanted Gentiles to follow Jewish Customs of circumcision and Kosher. Paul called them out "Right to his Face" about it. That faith in Christ is enough. That faith in Christ is a New covenant.
The Catholic Church was created by Constantine the Great when he converted in 336AD, His Wife traveled to Jerusalem to find holy relics and to find specific places like where Christ was crucified. They intentionally made Rome the seat of Power for the New Church for Political Reasons. They needed to justify it so they took "On this Rock" verse out of Context and claimed Peter was the First Pope given Divine Authority. Which is not in scripture! Paul called Peter out! If Peter had Devine Authority, Paul would have never done such a Thing. Also we have a Non Biblical Source that James the Just was the leader of the Church from Josephus antiquity of the Jews. He tells how James was stoned to Death.
Peter was a Jewish Christian and followed Torah and the Old covenant.
I have spoke to so many Catholics and they're just so ignorant about their own doctrine. I literally spoke to a woman who is a chaplain for the Catholics and she had no idea of the Mary perpetual virginity Doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches. She was completely clueless. And the fact of the matter is that Catholics treat prayer exactly how Christ instructed us not to. They treat it as some sort of mantra some sort of ritualistic activity. When Christ told us
"When you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words"
Repeating the same words over and over "Hail Mary" is completely against Christ's instructions. Prayer is an private and intimate relationship with God. It's you speaking to God. Not from a que card, not from a pre written prayer. It's like this
"Father, please forgive me my sin of Lust, I want to better, I want be better, please protect my children during my operation coming up, sometimes I do not feel worthy of your Grace, I will keep my faith strong Father, in Jesus Name I pray" and when you Pray, do it in Private so no one can see you. You aren't Praying to be seen by others. People who do that are doing it for Public Praise, not for their true Relationship with God.
All of this is in Scripture. If only a Catholic would simply READ THE GOSPELS!
Hang on a minute.....
Forget about EGW for the moment,
I know a few churches and minister's who reserved these mysterious books in the mail that are typically no from sender details & the book has no obvious publishing hallmarks in the book.... With closer inspection they were from a SDA organisation!!!
How sneaky!
100% a cult
Watching this was like watching paint dry
Greetings! I do normally respond to these presentations. However, I think you have a challenge with interpretation. While you might be sincere in your quest, I would suggest that you have a one-to-one conversation with someone knowledgeable on the teachings of the SDA Church. I can see where you have some subtle misunderstandings.
Watching paint dry on the walls in my opinion far better than what I had to get used to. When our son was born, and for many years I literally had to fight with both of my families who I should visit first, my relatives or my wife's relatives. I should have moved hundreds of miles away when I was first married. That way I'd have an excuse as to why I wouldn't visit anyone.
@@georgewilliams3471 you should answer comments it shows your presentation is a bunch of nonsense maybe you should read E White books before taking her writings out of context all your arguments are easily answered
come out of babylon you reject the 3 angels message this causes the fall of babylon
watching paint dry is ten fold better than reading an antichrist witch like EGW.
@@earthlastdaybiblechannel God forbids anyone to read someone presenting a different gospel Galatians 1.
Sounds like the former comment was from a SDA member. I understand as I was raised, and still attend on Sabbath. I do go on Sundays too as there are many Godly people in every church. My husband is a Sunday attending Christian. I do appreciate the respectful way in which this man presents false from true doctrine. I see Jesus in his response to EG Whites comments that differ from him. I have to say that I am NOT an EG White reader. She may have been a kind lady but I do not agree with many of her statements but I do still hold to some of the doctrines, not hers, that I feel the bible teaches. We are all told to study for ourselves with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. Many in the church do not hold to her teachings as welll and are bible only. The Sabbath does not save us, nor do our cherished doctrines. Yeshua saves us and , if we let the Holy Spirit guide us, we have have purer doctrines to reflect Him and show we are Christ like. I don't see Jesus coming after SDA only. He is coming back for His temple, the embodiment of Christ all churches and those that don't go but hold Him in their heart. My opinion for what it is worth. Thank you for being respectful , as Jesus was, in your teaching. This made me stop and listen.
Wow!!! Thank you. This is the truth so well explained that have been searching for and the holy spirit today guided me to it.
Let me tell everyone here that this message can only be understood in spirit. Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth. That is the truth!!! May God guide all of you to the truth through His spirit.
Thank you once more for the time dedicated, the resources put, he prayers made so that one more soul can be saved through thus message
Much love from Kenya 🇰🇪
"Anybody out of the spirit of God will not agree to this truth." What a lofty, arrogant statement to make. Tell me, what is the real "beef" you have with Adventist Truths? Do you not like it because we are commandment keepers and you feel convicted? After all - the LAW is a school master - and a convincer of sin.
I wonder what spirit you are led by. SDA is the only denomination that can publicly defend their doctrines with scriptures. ONLY. Sunday is publicly listed as the first day of the week while mentally brainwashed to believe it’s the last day of the week.
The Sunday law driven by the mark of the beast is so obvious that the enemy is after worship to publicly force everyone to worship on Sunday. Ever wondered why?
@@abigailsmith6864 it wouldn't matter what Commandments you kept.. you don't have the true Jesus of the Bible!! Ellen in the investigative judgment( says the devil is Jesus Christ)!! and you believe Ellen!
@@treefellonya Adventists are hated everywhere because they hold the truth.Other denominations are not attacked ever wonderd why.
@@atreastaasreas1965 I have written about this on many YT channels. No other Christian group is so vociferously attacked. Not JW, or LDS. Adventists are by far the most vehemently run down. When I first was looking at the Adventist truths, I remember initially being worried after reading Dale Ratzlaff, Martin, and Rhea. Then it occurred to me that the Devil would attack the true Church of God this angrily. No one else would care as much. It wasn't long after that I was baptized. I always remind those who speak about Adventists so angrily of Revelation 12:17.
Thanks Pastor Tim for making it clear even though I already knew.
What makes me sad when they refer to Ellen like she's Jesus himself. Why not rewrite the Bible & replace Jesus name with Ellen.
I don't know where you get that from, but ok. 🤷🏾♂️
One thing you got wrong. William Miller did the 1844 prediction, not EG White.
Miller never knew what the 2300 days represented in Daniel 8 ...no SDA.person to this day knows what Daniel 8.. is saying ..Miller predicted it would be in 1843 as far as the math equation goes he was right ...if you're just using the math equation... Miller was right.. you can't get in the from 457 BC in the spring of the Year Ezra 7:9 to the fall of 1844 October 22nd which is the LIE of the atonement concept ...(that never happened)!!! but just say it did ...the day of atonement in 1844 was not on the 22nd of October... but let's just say it was... (that's 2301 years).... ellen (said that's the truth)!!!...[ their true prophet] Miller never verified that they believed her...but, because they believe she's a true prophet...( really she's a witch...I know exactly what Daniel 8 is saying!!!! study it for fifty years ...the whole thing is a cult!!!! they created a Jesus that is not the Jesus of Hebrews 7.. in the investigative judgment ..(and said the devil becomes the sin Bearer)!! Which technically makes the devil be Jesus Christ!!!
The 1844 movement was a great awakening too towards the reformation
Adventist till the end! Remember with all your heart the Shabbat day for all mankind! 🙏🏻🥰
Yeah but the SDA.. Ellen white says.. the devil becomes the sin Bearer )!!in the investigative judgment.. in the third paragraph lines 7 and 8 ..which is for the (atonement that Jesus Christ himself does in Leviticus 16:10 ..which is saying the devil becomes Jesus Christ!( she says that's your Jesus)..! Your Sabbath has no significance at all..
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv it’s your Sabbath also, the Sabbath of the Heavenly Father and all universe after all, believe it or not :)
@@Kittyaiken to you it doesn't matter Ellen White says your Jesus is the devil! if that doesn't matter to you. you're never going to be saved
All you're saying is you're worried about the Sabbath but you're not saved
@@Kittyaiken amen!!!
See: Galatians 1:6-10
follow jesus and you cant go wrong. he left us an example . jesus says if you love me-----keep my commandments--simple, bye bye
It is so rare to find a pastor who knows anything about the SEA church. Your video is spot on. I'm a former SDA, educated in the Adventist school system and I was a local elder. What you've presented here is just the tip of the iceberg. Some notes:
Ellen's testimonies are titled 'Testimonies to the Church'. And she has had dozens of other books published.
You are so right about the SEA view of the Atonement leading to works. Incredibly, EGW wrote that Christ could not return until His character was perfectly reproduced in the members of his Remnant church. Think about that for a bit!
If anyone is interested in knowing more about the SDA church,
Look up the FAF (Former Adventist Fellowship) channel here on RUclips.
They have a weekly podcast and links to other resources
@@61loneviking if you look up Dale Ratzlaff videos or. Colleen Tinker they're even better.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv THEY ARE THE SAME APOSTATES.
@@timarnett672 is your Jesus the 1844 (levite Jesus) that puts the Sins on the back of the devil. which makes the devil )the sin Bearer) it is that your Jesus! Now you see who's apostate that's not the Jesus of the Bible
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv BEFORE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE SHARE WITH ME WHERE IN ADVENTIST PUBLICATIONS THAT THEY CALL JESUS A LEVITE PRIEST. THANK YOU.
Im proud to be an SDA...
So you're glad to not have the true Jesus of the Bible.( The one that puts the sins on the devil !!!! (and makes the devil be the sin bear)... rather than the Jesus of Hebrews 7. You have no salvation !what blasphemy)!
Pride goes before the fall.
Baa-baa said the sheep in “Animal Farm”
@@MrLibertyHugger that's not what they sound like on my farm!
Amén.
Cult is a weapon man use to underestimate others. Who are we to judge. James 1. 27.
Only God will be the Judge. He will pierce through to man's heart, and the truth will come out. Great Men allowed God to guide them. Amen
I concur with you 100 %.
This is what exactly happen here in Malawi.
Thank you I was a prisoner of SDA teachings I am glad I watched this thank you Jesus is enough
@@jimcovell1067 So let me get this straight...you followed the church for 35 years and you claim you never fell into a trap. Sounds like God has you in a search for truth. "What is truth" asked Pilate, but he never waited for an answer. The Bible says Jesus is Truth (John 14:6). Gods Word is Truth (John 17:17) and the 10 commandments, including the 4th, are Truth (Psalm 119:151)
Yep I woke up but never never fell for such a silly religion yes religion. One member told me its the religion of Christ. PATHETIC
Me too! I feel so freed now!
I've been both Adventist and Baptist, and I agree with you on the SDA Sanctuary doctrine 100 percent that it's false doctrine. So, if EG White taught this, then that would make her a false prophet. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I was never sure about her. I believe SDA's have many true doctrines, including the Sabbath, and some others. Most if not all churches have false doctrines or incorrect interpretations mixed in with truth. Many Adventists actually don't believe in the sanctuary doctrine. But what it ultimately does is confuse them about their salvation. They "say" their salvation is received by grace through faith alone, but when they accept the sanctuary doctrine, they can no longer believe that because the sanctuary doctrine makes salvation works based.
I to was in the SDA faith (in my first marriage) yrs ago & now in a spirit filled Baptist....
I believe EGW is a false profit & I know it sounds harsh I believe they are a cult.
Looking back I have to say There was an air of elitism & a kinda them & us attitude towards sunday worshipping folk....I don't know if it was the same for you but all the best you & your family.
I'm convinced you don't really understand how the sanctuary work.
@@warlyfresh the sanctuary & how it works according to EGW..... Right!
William Miller did the prediction of Christ return & look where that went & with Christ not returned EGW did the sanctuary & atonement for plan B .... It's nothing more than a made up notion by that deluded woman.
In John 19 vs 30 says otherwise... Jesus said...it is finished!.
quote---I agree with you on the SDA Sanctuary doctrine 100 percent that it's false doctrine.--unquote
So, obviously you bothered to do any research!!!
SDA--Doctrine #24. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross.
At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary.
In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary.
It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus.
The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection.
It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.
This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.
(Lev. 16; Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:6; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Heb. 1:3; 2:16, 17; 4:14-16; 8:1-5; 9:11- 28; 10:19-22; Rev. 8:3-5; 11:19; 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:11, 12.)
Look thoes verses up!!!!
If you dare.
Ellen White has been of immense blessing to my life. Even now, as a participant in Baha’i Community, her words energize my work. Mrs. White wrote: “We are all woven together in the great web of humanity, and whatever we can do to benefit and uplift others will reflect in blessing upon ourselves.” Thanks, Ellen & Adventists.
Hang on......
Who the hell are you following here?!?
Idealistic notions of a woman EGW mixing it with some mystical eastern relation so that the power comes within to energize you & your work ..... Very obvious new age mentality to me.
1 Timothy 2:4
Read Hebrews. It says strive to enter into Christ's rest not into a certain day. Jesus paid it all. Even sabbath keeping will still send you to hell. Without Christ in your heart that's where people are going. First john, says he that has the Son has life & he that has not the Son has no life in him. Only Jesus, not Ellen white. Turn your back on her & her teachings & Christ is who to turn to. You'll receive eternal life, You'll be sealed by His Spirit. Born again.
(Hebrews 4:9-10) [9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of Elohim. [10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as יהוה did from His.
@@returntoeden Hebrews 4 speaking of Jesus himself notice the people that didn't enter in It Is by faith in Jesus Christ the people that it was first preached to did not enter in the people that was first preached to we're Sabbath keepers
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv If it was speaking of Yeshua/Jesus, aren't Christians suppose to follow Him anyway? (Matt 4:19; John 10:25-27; 1John 2:6; 2John 1:6)
@@returntoeden Christians do follow him and he's telling you he became your Sabbath that is why they're not Sabbath keepers
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Where does He say "I am the Sabbath" or "I will be your Sabbath" or "Sabbath will be on the day of resurrection or will be done away with" or "Worship on any day of the week as long as its not the 7th day"?
Do you realize that Satan has counterfeits of every thing that is of YeHoVaH's, including His Holy Day?
How are we to go to work, when we are invited to enter into His rest by ceasing our works? Legalism indeed.
WHEN WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OUR LORD’S OWN WORDS, AND WHAT SISTER WHITE WROTE IN RESPONSE, WE CANNOT HELP UNDERSTANDING HER FAITH AND LOVE FOR HIM, AND HIS FOR ALL OF US, INCLUDING HERSELF. NOW SOME CAN SAY, “WELL SHE CAN WRITE FLOWERY WORDS, AND STILL BE A DECEIVER.” OKAY, SO LET’S PONDER MORE INTO HER MINISTRY, AND THUS FURTHER TEST HER LEGITIMACY.
AS TO THE MATTER SOME SUGGEST, THAT SHE BELIEVED, AND ALSO TAUGHT OTHERS, THAT HER WRITINGS WERE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, THAT THEY WERE TO BE USED TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE FOR THE CHURCH.
SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE SEEN OTHER PROPHETS, WHOSE WRITINGS WERE NOT ADDED TO THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE MOST OF US POSSESS OURSELVES TODAY, AND THAT THE MESSAGE THE LORD GAVE TO THEM WHO HEARD THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS, WERE TO BE HEEDED AS UNTO THE LORD, WE NEED NOT GO THERE TO PROVE A BIBLICAL STANDARD OF THE LORD SENDING MESSAGES TO US THROUGH THEM.
WE DO HOWEVER NEED TO RECOGNIZE SISTER WHITE’S ROLE AS THE LORD'S MESSENGER IN IMPORTANT MATTERS OF THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, SUCH AS DOCTRINE, AND INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE. THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WAS MADE BY HER IN RESPONSE TO THE BRETHREN THEN IN 1888 WHO DESIRED HER TO SETTLE A QUESTION AS TO THE LAW IN GALATIANS, WHICH SHE REFUSED TO DO.
"As a people," she warned, "we are certainly in great danger, if we are not constantly guarded, of considering our ideas, because long cherished, to be Bible doctrines and on every point infallible, and measuring everyone by the rule of our interpretation of Bible truth. This is our danger, and this would be the greatest evil that could ever come to us as a people."
Not only did Ellen White refuse to settle the biblical issue by appealing to the Testimonies, but she went so far as to infer to the delegates at the Minneapolis meetings on October 24, 1888, that it was providential that she had lost the testimony to J. H. Waggoner in which she had purportedly settled the issue once and for all in the 1850s. "God has a purpose in this. He wants us to go to the Bible and get the Scripture evidence." 29 In other words, she was more interested in what the Bible had to say on the subject than in what she had written. The Testimonies were not to take the place of the Bible. She would emphasize that point again in early 1889 in the publication of Testimony 33, which has an entire section on that topic. She made it explicit that her writings were to bring people "back to the Word" and to aid them in understanding the biblical principles, 30 but she never held them up as a divine commentary on Scripture.”
WHAT OTHER CHURCHES THINK OF SISTER WHITE AND HER CALLING, IN GIVING HER HIS TESTIMONIES IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE OF HER THOUGHTS AS WELL AS HER EXPERIENCE.
WHAT WE WILL CONSIDER NEXT IS HOW THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, AND ITS PROGRESS INTO SOUND DOCTRINE WAS ACHIEVED, CONTRASTED WITH HOW OTHERS FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR DOCTRINAL POSITIONS WERE ARRIVED AT.
INTERESTINGLY, THE THINGS SISTER WHITE SPEAKS ABOUT THOSE FAILURES, MORE REFLECT MOST CHURCHES OF OUR DAY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO LEAN TO SO CALLED ORTHODOXY, AND SADLY ARE INFLUENCED BY A PRETERIST AND DISPENSATIONAL MINDSET.
“How shall we search the Scriptures? Shall we drive our stakes of doctrine one after another, and then try to make all Scripture meet our established opinions, or shall we take our ideas and views to the Scriptures, and measure our theories on every side by the Scriptures of truth?
Many who read and even teach the Bible, do not comprehend the precious truth they are teaching or studying. Men entertain errors, when the truth is clearly marked out, and if they would but bring their doctrines to the word of God, and not read the word of God in the light of their doctrines, to prove their ideas right, they would not walk in darkness and blindness, or cherish error.
Many give the words of Scripture a meaning that suits their own opinions, and they mislead themselves and deceive others by their misinterpretations of God's word. As we take up the study of God's word, we should do so with humble hearts.
All selfishness, all love of originality, should be laid aside. Long-cherished opinions must not be regarded as infallible. It was the unwillingness of the Jews to give up their long established traditions that proved their ruin. They were determined not to see any flaw in their own opinions or in their expositions of the Scriptures; but however long men may have entertained certain views, if they are not clearly sustained by the written word, they should be discarded.
Those who sincerely desire truth will not be reluctant to lay open their positions for investigation and criticism, and will not be annoyed if their opinions and ideas are crossed.
This was the spirit cherished among us forty years ago. We would come together burdened in soul, praying that we might be one in faith and doctrine; for we knew that Christ is not divided. One point at a time was made the subject of investigation. Solemnity characterized these councils of investigation. The Scriptures were opened with a sense of awe. Often we fasted, that we might be better fitted to understand the truth. After earnest prayer, if any point was not understood, it was discussed, and each one expressed his opinion freely; then we would again bow in prayer, and earnest supplications went up to heaven that God would help us to see eye to eye, that we might be one, as Christ and the Father are ONE.
Many tears were shed. If one brother rebuked another for his dullness of comprehension in not understanding a passage as he understood it, the one rebuked would afterward take his brother by the hand, and say, “Let us not grieve the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus is with us; let us keep a humble and teachable spirit;” and the brother addressed would say, “Forgive me, brother, I have done you an injustice.”
Then we would bow down in another season of prayer. We spent many hours in this way. We did not generally study together more than four hours at a time, yet sometimes the entire night was spent in solemn investigation of the Scriptures, that we might understand the truth for our time. On some occasions the Spirit of God would come upon me, and difficult portions were made clear through God's appointed way, and then there was perfect harmony. We were all of one mind and one Spirit.
THIS WAS A REBUKE, NOT TO OTHER CHURCH DENOMINATIONS, BUT TO OUR SDA LEADERS WHO DECADES AFTER OUR CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED, WERE NOT HUMBLE, NOT PRAYERFULLY STUDYING GOD’S WORD (AS DID THEIR BRETHREN 40 YEARS PRIOR), AND THUS HAD A SPIRIT OF BEING ORIGINAL, DISCOVERING NEW LIGHT, NEVER SEEN OR SPOKEN OF.
BOTH QUOTES SHARES HOW THOSE WHO HELD OFFICIAL OFFICES IN THE THEN GENERAL CONFERENCE, AND ALSO THOSE IN MINISTRY WERE REPROVED FOR EITHER NOT ALLOWING FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF OLD DOCTRINAL POSITIONS, OR ASKING THE LORD’S TESTIMONY (AT SISTER WHITE) TO SETTLE QUESTIONS THEY COULD SETTLE BY THE SAME FAITH AND METHOD OF THEIR FORMER BRETHREN, BY FASTING, EARNEST SEEKING IN PRAYER FOR TRUTH, AND HARMONY, NOT DISCORD AMONG THEMSELVES.
1 Corinthians 14:40 Context
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Titus 1:5
“For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:”
Acts 18:23
“And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.”
1 Corinthians 14:33
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
THE VERY PURPOSE OF THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS, IN REGARDS TO ALL SPIRITUAL GIFTS, INCLUDING THAT OF THE PROPHETS, IS BORNE OUT BY THE FOREGOING SCRIPTURES. WE CAN SEE CLEARLY THAT IS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH THE TESTIMONIES WERE BOTH GIVEN TO THE CHURCH AND THUS, HOW THEY WERE TO BE USED.
REMEMBER THAT THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS, AS SHARED WITH THE BRETHREN BY THE LORD’S APPOINTED MESSENGERS, JUDAS AND SILAS, CONFIRMED THE BRETHREN, AFTER THE APOSTLES, ELDERS, AND BRETHREN HAD CONSIDERED THE MATTER IN BOTH THE LIGHT OF GOD’S WORD (“AND TO THIS AGREE THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS” ACTS 15:15) AND BY THE EXPERIENCE OF THE CHURCH IN THE CALL OF THE GENTILES TO THE FAITH OF MESSIAH JESUS.
Personally I have gone through the publishnents of E.G.W but truthfully they are contradictory as time passes by for example at the start she preaches Jesus the Christ is the Arch angel Micheal, not part of the trinity as time evolves she then acknowledges that he is a son of God. She initially believed Christ didn't know what He was face when he died and didn't know what was ti happen all of this is stated in her book the great controversy. This holistically contradicts the scriptures. Her writings according to the adventist statement of doctrine they are authoritative and guiding to the folk. This really depicts the fact it's not a scripture point of view that the scriptures should be consulted first. Secondly investigative judgement is a dogmatism that contradicts the Bible, Romans 8:1-2. The death of christ was the signing of a new conventant, His blood atoned our sins not on October 27 1884, but after He had met Mary, He went and poured His blood in the holy of holies so that it could atone our sins. This is the message of the cross that He died for us and bore our sins and therefore we not saved by our works but by His blood. Lastly read Colossians 2
@@tehillahInc AS TO SISTER WHITE AND DOCTRINE, IN PARTICULAR THAT OF THE IDENTITY OF MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE, OR MICHAEL THE ARCH (CHIEF) ANGEL (MESSENGER), SHE DID NOT ORIGINATE THAT AT ALL, NOR DID SHE ORIGINATE THE DATE OF 1844 (NOT 1884) AS THE END OF THE 2300 DAYS PROPHECY OF DANIEL 814, AND SURELY NOT THE TERM OR DOCTRINE OF THE "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT".
I AM PRETTY SURE I GAVE MY OWN PERSONAL BIBLE AND HISTORICAL LESSON UPON THE DOCTRINE OF MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, BUT IF NOT I WILL INCLUDE IT IN ANOTHER POST TO YOU. BE ASSURED THAT THERE'S NO SIMILIARTY WHATSOEVER BETWEEN JW'S DOCTRINE THAT JESUS IS A "CREATED ANGEL" WITH THAT OF THE ADVENTIST FAITH, OR WRITINGS OF SISTER WHITE.
SISTER WHITE AND THE LATER SDA CHURCH NEVER ONCE SAID OR TAUGHT (AS A CHURCH ORGANIZATION) AFTER 1844 WAS THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS OUR LORD. WILLIAM MILLER (WHO WAS A BAPTIST MINISTER) CONCLUDED THE APPLICATION OF SAID EVENT TO THE DATE OF 1844.
MANY ADVENTISTS AFTER 1844 CONTINUED TO STUDY SCRIPTURE DESIRING THE LIGHT OF TRUTH AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE 2300 DAYS IN 1844, BUT IT WAS NOT SISTER WHITE WHO TOLD ANY OF THEM WHAT TO BELIEVE OR SAY. I HOPE YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THIS CORRECTION, AND IF YOU DESIRE TO KNOW THE TRUE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE, I WILL GLADLY SHARE IT WITH YOU.
“WHEN AN HONEST MAN DISCOVERS HE IS MISTAKEN, HE WILL EITHER CEASE BEING MISTAKEN, OR CEASE BEING HONEST.” ANONYMOUS
[PART 2]
DO WE NOT (WITH DISCERNMENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT) SEE THE FAMILIARITY OF THE PHRASE, “PRINCE OF PRINCES” WITH THAT OF “KING OF KINGS”? IN EITHER APPLICATION THE POWERS OF THIS EARTH, IN OPPOSITION TO THE POWERS OF HEAVEN, THERE IS ONLY ONE WHO COMES INTO OUR VIEW AS THE DIVINE PROTECTOR OF BOTH ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH.
Daniel 9:25
“Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
[END OF PART 1]
CLEARLY THE PROPHET IS POINTED TO THE TIME FOR OUR LORD JESUS TO BE REVEALED PERSONALLY UPON THIS EARTH TO HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL/JUDAH, TO BEGIN HIS ADMINISTRATION AS THE LORD’S PROPHET, AND IN FULFILLMENT AS THE “LAMB OF GOD” WHO TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD..” JOHN 1:29
Daniel 10:21
“But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince.”
ONLY ONE, SAYS GABRIEL. HE WHO IS CALLED MICHAEL, YOUR PRINCE COMES TO ASSIST AND OVERSEE THE WORK OF ISRAEL/JUDAH’S WELFARE AND DELIVERANCE.
Daniel 11:22
“And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the PRINCE OF THE COVENANT.”
AGAIN, WITH CLEAR SOUND INSPIRED AUTHORITY, THE PRINCE IS REVEALED. THE PRINCE IS HEREIN DECLARED AS HE WHO HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE COVENANT. ANOTHER PROPHET SPEAKS OF HIM.
Malachi 3:1
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to HIS temple, even the MESSENGER of the COVENANT, whom ye delight in: behold, HE shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
THE FIRST MESSENGER/ANGEL IS JOHN THE BAPTIST
the Messenger
וּמַלְאַ֨ךְ (ū·mal·’aḵ)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's Hebrew 4397: 1) messenger, representative 1a) messenger 1b) angel 1c) the theophanic angel
Isaiah 40:3
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.”
Matthew 3:3
“For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.”
THE SECOND MESSENGER/ANGEL IS OUR LORD, MESSIAH JESUS.
Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a CHILD IS BORN, unto us a SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon HIS SHOULDER: and HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The PRINCE OF PEACE.”
THIS MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, WHO COMES TO DECLARE THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH REPLACED THE FORMER ONE.
Jeremiah 31:31
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”
OUR LORD SPAKE BY DAVID IN THE PSALMS THESE THINGS.
PSALMS 40
6 Sacrifice and offering THOU didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of ME,
8 I delight to do THY WILL, O MY GOD,: yea, THY LAW is within MY HEART.
9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained MY LIPS, O LORD, thou knowest.
10 I have not hid THY RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHIN MY HEART; I have declared THY FAITHFULNESS and THY SALVATION: I have not concealed THY LOVINGKINDNESS and THY TRUTH from the great congregation.
CLEARLY OUR BLESSED SAVIOR, WITHIN HIS OWN HEART HAS THE HOLY LAW WRITTEN, AND HE DECLARES THE LOVE OF GOD, AND HIS GREAT SALVATION.
THE NEW TESTAMENT GIVES FURTHER LIGHT THEN AS TO THE PERSON OF MICHAEL BASED UPON HIS WORK IN THE LAST DAYS.
The expression in Daniel 12:1, "the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people," is sufficient alone to identify the one here spoken of as the Saviour of men.
He is the "Prince of life
Acts 3:14, 15
“But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;”
“And killed the PRINCE OF LIFE, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.”
IN CALLING JESUS, “PRINCE OF LIFE” WE CAN ALSO RECALL HIM DECLARING HIMSELF, THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE. HE ALONE HAS THAT IMMORTALITY, UNBORROWED, UNDERIVED, AS SUCH HE ALONE HAS AUTHORITY TO RAISE THE DEAD BY THE LIFE IN HIMSELF
Acts 5:30-31
“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.”
“HIM hath GOD exalted with HIS right hand to be a PRINCE and a SAVIOR, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”
“And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the HOLY GHOST, whom GOD hath GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.”
NOW WE THEN MUST NEEDS EXAMINE THE MATTER OF RESURRECTION AS DECLARED IN THE PROPHECY OF DANIEL 12:1, 2 CONCERNING MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE.
Daniel 12:1, 2
“And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
WHEN WE SEE THE WORDS “STAND UP”, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? LET US GO TO THE SAME LANGUAGE USED IN THE PREVIOUS CHAPTER TO LEARN OF THE STANDING UP OF THE VARIOUS PERSIAN KINGS.
Daniel 11:2, 3
“And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.” “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”
IN THIS LANGUAGE THEN, WE LEARN OF EARTHLY KINGS, WHO WILL STAND UP IN KINGLY POWER AND AUTHORITY TO RULE. THUS WHEN MICHAEL STANDS UP, HE STANDS UP TO RULE. THIS SPEAKS OF OUR LORD JESUS, WHO SHALL RULE HIS EVERLASTING KINGDOM.
BUT ONE WILL SAY, “ISN’T OUR LORD RULING NOW?”
YES HE IS, BUT NOT IN THE COMPLETE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT DANIEL 2 DECLARES. IN THE FOREGOING PROPHECY, WE LEARN OF THE FOUR MAJOR EMPIRES, THE FOURTH THAT WOULD BE DIVIDED, AND THEN A STONE CUT OUT OF THE MOUNTAIN IS REPRESENTED AS OUR LORD’S EVERLASTING KINGDOM.
Daniel 2:44
“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”
THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR. WHEN GOD’S KINGDOM IS SET UP, WHEN MICHAEL (CHRIST) STANDS UP, HIS KINGDOM SHALL NEVER BE DESTROYED (CONQUERED), AND IT WILL NEVER BE LEFT TO OTHER PEOPLE, MEANING AS THE WORLD IS TODAY. ALL OTHER KINGDOMS, ALONG WITH THEIR INHABITANTS SHALL BE CONSUMED, AND THUS HIS KINGDOM WILL RULE ALONE, FOREVERMORE. DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT VERIFY THIS? YES IT DOES.
1 CORINTHIANS 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward THEY THAT ARE CHRIST’S AT HIS COMING.
24 Then cometh THE END, when HE shall have delivered up THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even THE FATHER when HE SHALLl have put down ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and POWER.
CLEARLY THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES AGREE THAT OUR LORD, WHEN HE COMES FOR HIS SAINTS, BOTH THE QUICK AND THE DEAD, HE TAKES HIS KINGDOM OF SAINTS OUT OF THIS WORLD FIRST, AND WHEN HE COMES, NOTHING THAT WAS UNREDEEMABLE REMAINS. THIS FULFILLS THE PROPHECY, YET STILL ONE WILL SAY, AREN’T GOD’S PEOPLE HIS KINGDOM OVER WHOM HE RULES NOW? YES~! IN DEED AND TRUTH, HE IS OUR LORD, AND WE ARE HIS PEOPLE. CAN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND BY OUR LORD’S OWN WORDS THAT THE FULLNESS OF HIS REIGN ISN’T YET ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE HIS COMING AND THE RESURRECTION OF HIS SAINTS?
[END OF PART 2]
[PART 3]
John 18:33 TO 37
“Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?” “Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?” “Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?” “Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM is not of this world: if MY KINGDOM were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE.” “Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
THE TRUTH, THAT OUR LORD CAME INTO THE WORLD TO ULTIMATELY BE KING, IS QUALIFIED BY HIS OWN WORDS, “NOT OF THIS WORLD” “NOT FROM HENCE”. NOW IT ISN;T SO TO THE FULL AND FINAL COMPLETION OF HIS AND HIS FATHER’S PURPOSE. AS SUCH, WE NEED TO STUDY FURTHER AS TO OUR IDENTITY (AS HIS KINGDOM) AND ALSO TO UNDERSTAND, IF NOT NOW, WHEN? WELL HE ALREADY EXPLAINS THE NOT NOW, IN SAYING HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. LET’S SEE HOW THE LORD JESUS AND HIS APOSTLE EXPLAINS THIS. FIRST OUR LORD PRAYERS FOR HIS DISCIPLES SAYING,
John 17:14
“I have given them THY WORD; and THE WORLD HATETH THEM, because THEY ARE NOT OF THE WORLD, even as I AM NOT OF THE WORLD.”
1 John 2:15
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”
James 4:4
“Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.”
ONE CANNOT HELP UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRESENT WORLD WE LIVE IN AS CHRISTIANS, BUT ARE ADMONISHED TO NOT BE OF, IS OPPOSED TO THE LORD OUR GOD, AND HE TO IT. HOW THEN ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND OUR IDENTITY TO OUR LORD AT THIS TIME?
Luke 22:28
“Ye are they which have continued with ME in MY temptations.” “And I APPOINT UNTO YOU A KINGDOM AS MY FATHER HATH APPOINTED UNTO ME;” “That ye may eat and drink at my table IN MY KINGDOM, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into THE KINGDOM; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
Matthew 25:34
“Then shall the KING say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of MY FATHER, INHERIT THE KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”
James 2:5
“Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which HE hath promised to them that love him?”
THUS WE SEE, THAT THE INHERITANCE OF HIS KINGDOM IS YET FUTURE, THUS WE ARE LOOKING FOR A YET FUTURE COMING OF THAT KINGDOM OVER WHICH OUR LORD JESUS IS KING, BUT HOW ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND OUR CURRENT STATUS IN PREPARATION FOR ITS COMING?
2 Corinthians 1
3 “Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;”
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.
THESE MATTERS OF BOTH AFFLICTION AND COMFORT OUR LORD CLEARLY SPOKE OF TO HIS DISCIPLES.
John 16:33
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in ME ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
1 PETER 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to HIS abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, RESERVED IN HEAVEN FOR YOU.
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
IN THIS WORLD, WE SHALL SUFFER FIERY TRIALS, AND BE COMFORTED BY THE LORD OUR GOD. THIS WORLD IS NOT OUR HOME. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT EVERLASTING KINGDOM, WITHOUT END, WHEREIN DWELLS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PEACE. HAVING ESTABLISHED THE SOUND DOCTRINE, THAT HIS KINGDOM IS NOT YET ESTABLISHED, WE STILL NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE KINGDOM PEOPLE, NONETHELESS.
Luke 17:20, 21
“And when HE was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, HE answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
WE CARRY IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS THE KINGDOM, OUR LORD JESUS, AND THE PRINCIPLES OF HIS RULERSHIP, EVERYWHERE WE GO.
EXODUS 19
5 Now therefore, if ye will OBEY MY VOICE indeed, and KEEP MY COVENANTt, then ye shall be A PECULIAR TREASURE unto ME above all people: for all the earth is MINE::
6 And ye shall be unto ME a KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, and an HOLY NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
THIS TOO IS APPLIED TO THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Revelation 1
5 “And from Jesus Christ, WHO is the FAITHFUL WITNESS, and the FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the PRINCE of the kings of the earth. Unto HIM THAT LOVED US, and washed us from our sins in HIS OWN BLOOD,”
6 “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to HIM be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
1 Peter 2:9
“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of HIM who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” [END OF PART 3]
[PART 4]
THAT IS OUR IDENTITY NOW, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE YET TO WALK ON THE STREETS OF GOLD IN NEW JERUSALEM, OR TREAD THE GREEN GRASS OF THE NEW EARTH.
GETTING TO THE IMPORTANT IDENTITY OF MICHAEL, THE ARCHANGEL, WE NEED TO DIG INTO THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT YET FURTHER AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS CONCERNING HIM (MICHAEL), AND HIS TRUE IDENTITY IN THE CONFLICT OF NATIONS WHO CAME AGAINST HIS CHOSEN AND PECULIAR PEOPLE, AND THE PRESERVATION OF BOTH (ISRAEL AND THE CHURCH).
CERTAINLY THE TITLE CHIEF ANGEL, OR CHIEF MESSENGER APPLIES TO THIS BEING WHO IS CHIEFEST AMONG THE HOST OF HEAVEN. HIS AUTHORITY IS NOT THAT OF A CHERUBIM IN RANK WITH OTHERS, BUT IN TRUTH, THE CAPTAIN OF THE HOST OF HEAVENLY CHERUBIM. HE IS NOT HIMSELF AND ANGEL OF CREATION, RATHER HE IS THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM, AND HAS DIVINE AUTHORITY TO COMMAND.
AS WE’VE ALREADY INTRODUCED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS BOOK, JOSHUA MET THIS PERSON CALLED, “CAPTAIN OF THE LORD'S HOST” AND FROM THE START OF THE CONQUEST OF THE LAND OF CANAAN, THE PRINCE CALLED MICHAEL, WAS THERE TO FIGHT FOR AND WITH HIS PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, FOR THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON.
WITH THIS IN MIND, WE WILL THEN SEE OTHER TIMES WHERE THIS DIVINE BEING MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO HIS PROPHETS IN BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS.
Zechariah 3:1
“And HE shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the ANGEL OF THE LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.”
Zechariah 3:2
“And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?”
Zechariah 3:3
“Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the ANGELl.”
Zechariah 3:4
“And he answered and spake unto those that stood before HIM, saying, TAKE AWAY THE FILTHY GARMENTS FROM HIM. And unto him HE SAID, BEHOLD, I HAVE CAUSE THINE INIQUITY TO PASS FROM THEE, AND I WILL CLOTHE THEE WITH CHANGE OF RAIMENT.”
Zechariah 3:5
“And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the ANGEL OF THE LORD stood by.”
Zechariah 3:6
“And the ANGEL OF THE LORD protested unto Joshua, saying,”
Zechariah 3:7
“Thus saith the LORD OF HOSTS; If thou wilt walk in MY WAYS, and if thou wilt keep MY CHARGE, then thou shalt also judge MY HOUSE, and shalt also keep MY COURTS, and I WILL GIVE THEE places to walk among these that stand by.”
Zechariah 3:8
“Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth MY SERVANT THE BRANCH.”
Zechariah 3:9
“For behold THE STONE THAT I HAVE LAID BEFORE JOSHUA; upon ONE STONE shall be SEVEN EYES: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD OF HOSTS, and I WILL REMOVE THE INIQUITY OF THE LAND IN ONE DAY.”
“For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”
Zechariah 3:10
“In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.”
ONE CANNOT BUT SEE THE DIVINE AUTHORITY OF THE , “ANGEL OF THE LORD” HERE DESCRIBED. HEREIN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD (MICHAEL) STANDS TO DEFEND HIS SERVANT JOSHUA, WHOM SATAN ACCUSES AND OPPOSES BEFORE THE DIVINE BEING.
TO THOSE WHO STOOD BY, I DISCERN THEM TO BE THE AGENCIES OF THE LORD’S HOST (HOLY CHERUBIM), FOR THE WORK HE COMMANDS TO BE DONE FOR JOSHUA IS BOTH LITERAL AND SPIRITUAL.
TAKE AWAY THE FILTHY GARMENTS FROM HIM. THESE BE THE FILTHY RAGS OF OUR EARTHLY GARMENT OF FLESHLY WORKS.
BEHOLD, I HAVE CAUSE THINE INIQUITY TO PASS FROM THEE. HE FORGIVES OUR SIN AND INIQUITY.
AND I WILL CLOTHE THEE WITH CHANGE OF RAIMENT.. HE CLOTHES US IN HIS SPOTLESS GARMENT OF HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
THUS HAVING BEEN CLEANSED FROM SIN, AND GIVEN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LORD BY FAITH, JOSHUA NOW STANDS EQUIPPED FOR HIS WORK GOING FORWARD TO,
WALK IN MY WAYS.
KEEP MY CHARGE
JUDGE MY HOUSE
KEEP MY COURTS
AS HIGH PRIEST, JOSHUA DUTY WAS OVERSIGHT OF THE EARTHLY TABERNACLE AND ALL THINGS THAT PERTAINED TO THE HOLY SERVICE THEREIN.
IF FAITHFUL, AFTERWARDS HE WOULD BE PRIVILEGED TO STAND AMONG THE HOST WHO WERE INVOLVED IN RECRUITING AND SUITING HIM FOR HIS SACRED WORK.
NOW THIS HISTORICAL NARRATIVE SPEAKS OF A SON OF LEVI WHO CAME BACK FROM THE BABYLONIAN EXILE, AND WAS CHOSEN FOR HIS WORK, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER SON OF LEVI, WHO HELPED OVERSEE THE TABERNACLE AND ITS SERVICES WAY BEFORE JOSHUA EVER LIVED. HIS NAME WAS MOSES, AND SATAN CAME IN OPPOSITION CONCERNING HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.
Jude 1:9
“Yet MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, when CONTENDING WITH THE DEVILl he disputed about THE BODY OF MOSES, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, THE LORD REBUKE THEE.”
JUST AS SATAN WITHSTOOD THE LORD, AT JOSHUA’S RIGHT STANDING TO ACCUSE HIM, SO ALSO AT THE GRAVE OF MOSES, HE STOOD TO ACCUSE MOSES TO THE LORD AS UNWORTHY OF RESURRECTION.
BESIDES THE LORD’S SERVANTS MOSES AND JOSHUA, IN BOTH SCENARIOS, THERE'S ONLY TWO PRESENT,
THE ANGEL OF THE LORD (MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL)
SATAN, OUR ADVERSARY
THE CONTENTION HAS TO DO WITH WHAT THE LORD WAS PLANNING FOR HIS TWO SERVANTS, BOTH JOSHUA AND MOSES.
JOSHUA WAS BEING FITTED FOR HIS WORK AS HIGH PRIEST, WHILE MOSES WAS BEING RAISED TO LIFE AFTER THE ANGEL OF THE LORD LAID HIM TO REST. THE ADVERSARY SATAN OPPOSED THE LORD IN HIS DIVINE PLAN FOR BOTH OF THEM.
MICHAEL REBUKES SATAN. HE DOES NOT ARGUE WITH SATAN. HE NEED NOT ARGUE AS HE HAD AUTHORITY TO DO AS HE WILLED TO DO, WHEREAS SATAN COULD ONLY COMPLAIN. WHAT A JOKE RIGHT?
LET’S BE CLEAR THEN, ALL KINDS OF SUBTERFUGE HAS, AND WILL BE USED TO DENY THE FACTS OF THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF MICHAEL, THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, TO DIMINISH AND THUS MAKE HIM COMMON, A CREATED BEING, A CHERUBIM (ANGEL), BUT THESE HOLY SCRIPTURES SPEAK OF ONE WHO IS OF SUPREME AUTHORITY, DON’T THEY?
“written in the book.” There will be a future resurrection (Dan 12:2).
- Michael has fought the dragon, Satan, and gained the victory (Rev 12:7-8; Jude 1:9)
- He is the only one to be called archangel in Scripture (Jude 1:9).
- His name means “Who is like God?”
- Jesus will return with the voice of the archangel (1 Thess 4:16).
- Obviously Jesus is the archangel Michael, as He is the Chief Shepherd (literally “archshepherd,” 1 Pet 5:4).
FIRST WE MUST IDENTIFY MICHAEL WHO IS SPOKEN OF AS HE WHO STANDS UP AND THE RESURRECTION THAT IS TO FOLLOW.
THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS PLAINLY THAT THE VOICE OF MICHAEL (WHO IS CALLED ARCHANGEL) RAISES THE SLEEPING SAINTS.
archaggelos: a chief angel, i.e. archangel
Original Word: ἀρχάγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: archaggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khang'-el-os)
Definition: a chief angel, archangel
Usage: a ruler of angels, a superior angel, an archangel.
IN SUMMARY
Who was Michael, who here came to Gabriel's assistance? The term signifies, "He who is like God," and the Scriptures clearly show that Christ is the one who bears this name. Jude (verse 9) declares that Michael is the Archangel. This word signifies "head, or chief, angel," and in our text Gabriel calls Him "one [or, as the margin reads, "the first"] of the chief princes." There can be but ONE ARCH ANGEL, and hence it is manifestly improper to use the word in the plural as some do. The Scriptures never so use it. In 1 Thessalonians 4: 16, Paul states that when the Lord appears the second time to raise the dead, the voice of the archangel is heard. Whose voice is heard when the dead are raised?--The voice of the Son of God. (John 5: 28.) Taken together, these scriptures prove that the dead are called from their graves by the voice of the Son of God, that the voice which is then heard is the voice of the Archangel, proving that the Archangel is the Son of God, and that the Archangel is called Michael, from which it follows that Michael is the Son of God. In the last verse of Daniel 10, He is called "your Prince," and in the first of Daniel 12, "the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people," expressions which can appropriately be applied to Christ, but to no other being. [END]
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Actually you do not !!you're serving Michael the archangel! which is not Jesus Christ. )Also the 1844 Jesus) that (does not forgive sins.)!! Just subtract 457 from 2300! There's your true prophet Ellen!! Right! Bible says a true prophet will never lie!
Ex adventists Say exactly the same things as this man. They were raised inside and taught the whole doctrine...and they Say the same things.