This series is the most well presented and well thought out exposé on this topic that I have ever seen. Important. Meaningful. Explosive. Must see material! Thank you!
Thanks, Peter. I would encourage everyone to join "SDAQ&A" on Facebook to watch the hundreds of interviews Peter has with many notable Adventist guests. For example, in 2020 he interviewed dozens of those who were at or who surrounded the Glacier View debate with Desmond Ford. He features guests both for and against Adventisms controversial doctrines. All Adventists should be aware of these controversial topics -- and arguments from both sides -- in their church.
I don’t mind the longer content. Especially when it’s so well put together like yours. Thanks for all your hard work. This has given me even more confirmation that my gut and spiritual discernment have been correct all along!
@@cindiloowhoo1166 wish I was in Chicagoland so I could go to Baker’s Square and eat some French Silk pie and then go to the North side for deep dish pizza ( real pizza) and a Cubs baseball game. I’m 2 miles north of Mexico in South San Diego. Hope you’re well and happy.
That's such a good presentation! Unfortunately (or fortunately) not many people know or care about the SDA church and EGW so this video might not get as many views as it deserves. I hope a lot SDA people find this video and give it a chance.
I agree these videos will probably not receive many views, but if it has caused even a few to think different it will be worth it to me. The only way for Adventists to find these is for those who have watched them to share with them via text, email, or social media.
@@TesttheProphet I have tried and I hope it has reached at least one. Two ignored my messages, one got super mad and called me herretic, and one said that she rather choose "to be inspired" then look into anything that's against egw :(.
It is tough. I have also experienced condescending remarks when raising questions regarding EGW. For many she has always been their spiritual grandmother and it is an insult to question her.
@TesttheProphet Thank you for your videos! I'M THE ONE! I have been raised Adventist and asking about EGW, because in my opinion she doesn't pass the test of the prophet in the Bible alone. This year was the first time I had heard about the White Lie. Great Research here. I will be passing these on to my family, their choice to watch or listen. God bless you all
I absolutely love your detailed videos. I grew up in the Adventist church. It is funny how even after watching your videos, I still have doubts, because the Ellen White writings (I’ve read most of it) Adventist proof text, and legalistic teachings are still embedded in my brain and soul. I have to continue watching your videos repeatedly, and at some point the truth will grab me.
Congratulations for searching the truth,God bless you! You may also like videos of FormeAdventist, FAF and video series named defeating adventism. They will add to those amazing videos here.
Same. I can relate as well. I must say that since reading some of her books, questions and doubts have come up. I would get an uncomfortable feeling when I would read something that was an addition to the Bible. I would wonder where she came up with these ideas. I am so desperate for truth but a the same time I second guess myself and feel afraid to question. I don’t believe this is how God wants us to feel. The SDA church is not a safe place to come forward with questions on EGW, this also should not be so.
C'est une usurpatrice, malhonnête 😢,c'est triste Que Dieu ait pitié des endoctrinés par cette femme Sola scriptura, la Bible seule L'enseignement de l'église adventiste n'est pas basé sur la Bible(exemple:il faut prêter serment à toute une liste d'obligations à l'église pour être baptisé devenir membre et non disciples de Jésus Christ comme dans la Bible(l'eunuque ,le centenier. ....😢)
This is how it was for me, I had to see multiple videos and books debunking SDA to get out. Especially Desmond Ford, Walter Rhea, DM Cantwright, SDA Q&A, etc. The biggest debunker of EGW is EGW herself though, constantly making false prophecies and straight up superstitious behavior
I appreciate Test The Prophet's spirit and I wish all who have come to understand the truth in this matter would have such a sweet spirit, but unfortunately a lot of ex-sdas are bitter and angry because they were deceived. There needs to be a right spirit even though we are disappointed and upset to learn we have been deceived it doesn't help to go about it in the wrong way. We are to forgive and deal with the facts, accordingly, sharing truth without sharp jabs or being angry that doesn't help the truth to get to those who need it.
The message in this comment needs to be noised everywhere among those who are bitter so that they will deliberate with each other in a quest for truth using the spirit of Christ. Thank you! I aspire to have this spirit you have laid bare here.
@@chucksmith4624 You may have found a channel that is proving error in the SDA church, but this is a place where biblical truth is shared and a right spirit which I don't find in your presentation. I pray you will seek truth with a pure motive and mind.
This is the same James White who edited away all traces of shut door references😳 This Ellen White and her husband were a real Bonnie and Clyde duo… Absolute scoundrels.
It's difficult to imagine the founder of the church you were raised in being intentionally deceptive -- especially given all the wonderful people in Adventism. However, the more I study, the more this appears to be the case.
@@TesttheProphet : It is the case my friend. This is the caliber of deception Jesus Christ warns off. Personally, I wrote off Ellen White and pioneering Adventism when I read her amalgamation quotes. No decent person can harbor such satanic views. I read James White’s and Uraiah Smith’s defense of these abominable amalgamation quotes and I concluded years ago that Adventism was a rotten piece of fruit from the beginning. It was never good and anything built on the EVIL foundation cannot be either.
@@TesttheProphet : I understand how difficult it must be for you to confront this. Adventism is a mental health issue. It is deception of the most insidious nature such that, if possible the very elect would be deceived.
@@TesttheProphet : By the way I applaud you for the work you have done in educating your audience on the implications of Ellen White’s plagiarism. You have done a fantastic job and eternity will honor your courage and honesty. Don’t let Adventism suck you back into it’s vortex of fear, misery and depression. Ellen White herself was not a happy person.
Thanks, Ezra. I have no plans to go back. Her plagiarism has been only one of many issues. I'd rather belong to a church that teaches the pure gospel with no outside interference.
Amazing, just amazing! This is absolutely what we need as Adventist and as Christians in general. I have a copy of the “White Lie” also have a copy of the “White Truth”. Another amazing book is “Visions and Revisions” by Ronald Graybill. That book is a must read! I’d like to discuss some different issues with you sometime. Thanks again for this group of videos. Amazing resource. God bless.
I’ve done studies for 6 weeks at a SDA church. Had more demonic attacks then ever. My study elder kept doing devil horns ‘subconsciously’ I don’t take that lightly. Reading about the end every week causing stress, my religious ocd exploding taking me to the darkest depression I’ve ever had. Pray I am lead by Christ, I disregarded my discernment. All I want is Yushua to be with me.
I grew up in the Adventist Church, and I was taught that your type of demonic attacks might actually be the devil trying to stop you from joining the Adventist church. Isn’t it interesting how we can get so confused when we start studying the Bible for real? Now I’ve been led to believe that the attacks from the devil were for the opposite reason, maybe it was because The Adventist church was not the right church. I’ve recently been studying more, and praying more, and the devil attacks have resumed tenfold. God bless you in your search, I’m right there with you. I knew everything there was to know about Ellen White, all her writings, and the church beliefs. I haven’t been to the church in years, but some in my family still hold dear the Adventist beliefs. It is a daily struggle.
@@inspiredasmr1031 closer to God less attacks. Ellen is a false profit who was buried with an Egyptian grave. I'm sure Ra is pleased with her deceptions. I'm sure William miller the free mason is also pleased. the SDA church is cursed imo just like Mormons and Jehova witness.
@@inspiredasmr1031 I can understand fully the demon attacks. After I joined the SDA church, it started with one of her books being thrown off a shelf and literally smashed down on the kitchen floor. We were outside at the time and wondered what the loud crashing sound was . Upon going inside ,we saw Counsels on Diet and Health laying in the middle of the floor opened. There was absolutely NO possible way for the book to do that itself. I was told that it was a sign I should read her books.🤔 Things escalated from there to nasty The whole time I was active in the Adventist church, the demon activity was awful, especially when I read my Bible. They harassed, scared my children, animals, husband and myself. There definitely was something wrong. I won't go into detail as to what used to happened, it was beyond disturbing. But since we put Ellen Whites books outside of the home, things settled down . Prayer was the answer .
It is interesting that Ellen White pontificates on the merits of abstaining from alchol, whilst being an alchol addict herself😳 Ellen White was and is a con-artist pure and simple. That people refuse to see this is and defend her crimes is a choice and the mandate incumbent on the veracity and force of the evidence which now abounds.
"Ellen White was and is a con-artist" 100%. Currently Pr.Ted Wilson is vigourously promoting Her works and made plans for the world church to distribute millions of Great Controversy books! Great controversy is just another copied work of history from hundreds of authors.
This is a cogent presentation of a complex issue. Thank you for delineating so carefully on Ellen White's literary theft. I hope your work circulates widely.
No words for this …. Just completely 🤯. It’s extremely simple and easy for me to ignore this prophet and doctrine of EGW but I have family and friends who devote themselves to these doctrines of demons… My voice and words are numb to them, they don’t listen to me. Every SDA is in my prayers, if there was a wolf dressed in sheep clothing it would be exactly the SDA “Church”. To think I was once deceived by this stuff.
I can see that you are the servant of Jesus. Don't let anything stop you from exposing the devils. (Rev3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.)🙏
So if using condiments such as mustard should be compared to the effects of an alcoholic, we need to start having rehabilitation programs to help people putting mustard on their pretzel. And she expected physicians of every land to follow this. I'm very sorry for her head injury as a child, but how can the white estate publish and sell her writings and call them the spirit of prophecy, profiting off of selling her books...even less when prophecy involves saying what will happen in the future, and nothing to do with large amounts of information. Which by the way, I don't think anything she said would happen has come to pass. As somebody who was adventist for 10 years, I feel like I was purchasing a counterfeit diamond. This is an excellent series, have you thought about doing any work on the Clear Word? It is often defended, claiming it's a "paraphrase", not a version, but it's sold all over the country as a "version" at the adventist book center.
Thank you for all the research and hard work -at 8.58 Willie White's letter,here we have it right out of the horse's mouth ,Ellen White copied from other authors but claimed that God gave her inspiration EGW -a lying and false prophet-thanks also for all the links
"if you put mustard on ur childs veggie hotdog to enhance the flavor, you're causing them to sin against God......repented of using mustard" DUDE I JUST LOST IT THERE LMAO. God Bless you my brother! LOVE the videos! waiting for Part 5
I almost took that part out because it sounded so ridiculous. However, a friend encouraged me to keep it in. It certainly does highlight the absurdity doesn't it? Part 5 is coming along well--50 minutes long.
@@TesttheProphet it sounded ludicrous, like MUSTARD?! wow. Thank goodness for your friend though 😆 and yeah, we're patiently waiting for the next part. God Bless!
@@TesttheProphet. Why would you take it out? Do you want to be inadvertently responsible for us parents sending their children to hell?! My only hope, heretofore, is that we lower the lights while applying the mustard in the hope that their Guardian Angels won’t be able to see the crime.
Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest
As I was talking with an elder from the sda church to have my membership taken off their books, one of many reasons I gave him was her additions to the laws of God. He asked what additions and I gave him an example of the health reform laws adding to the dietary laws, he said well those are not sins like the breaking of the moral law and I quoted him egw saying that they are one and the same............
@@SolaScriptura21. SDAs are spoonfed the dogma which is handed down from the hierarchy which repeatedly coats their thin understandings of their “prophet”. They are taught to never question their “prophet”, her teachings, or her writings. From this they develop the worst case of cognizant dissonance, denying any and all facts which run contrary to the pristine narrative of their cult leader. When presented with an alternate reality, no matter how factual, the response will typically be a “word salad”, worthy of any modern politician.
I have now watched all your videos 4 times, it’s so much info to take in,that I might have to watch it again. Thank you so much for the great work, hope to see the next video soon. 🙏🏻
A very detailed, comprehensive and systematic series. I am currently an Adventist with the same concerns that keep nagging on me about the credibility of EGW. Your videos are absolutely helpful in presenting the questionability of this self-proclaimed prophetess. I hope you'll do more. Probably the very doctrines of the SDA, since a lot of it are deeply rooted from White.
Please do more. Your presentation is done well and easy to follow. Being a former 4 generation sda, I had to study my way out and had I seen your work back then would have made it easier. I have just been in conversation with the current first sda Pastor in Nashville TN and even though he wrote a book on grace he still plays dumb on some scriptures or acts as if they don't exist. Many seem to be trying to push Ellen out of the conversation as if they don't know who she is or know her writings. I will be pushing your work and site to all the Adventist I can. Now that I am considered a black sheep. My heart is to see as many be set free and know Jesus Christ in a personal relationship and the complete work of the cross. Thank you again. Your brother in Christ in Nashville praying for you to not tire of your mission. Happy Resurrection Day
It is a sad reality that many people in the church call themselves Adventist and yet claim to not believe everything the church teaches. Then why be an Adventist? There are many churches out there. I have been around the block for more than 30 years and those who believe as you do do so so because they have not taken the time to read her writings, so as to get context, thus you don't know what you believe and why you believe it.
@@mediqponky If I hadn't been born in the SDA, I wouldn't be one. But I love the church and I want her to come to the full harmony of the Scriptures. So I study, and pray that the Holy Spirit guides them to discern.
Apparently Adventists fully understood Plagiarism - yet excuse EGW for doing just that - From "Questions on the Sanctuary and on Ellen White": “A plagiarist is one who pretends to have written an original article, but who has borrowed it-perhaps STOLEN would be a more appropriate word-FROM ANOTHER PERSON. Some people who would think it A GREAT SIN to steal a bushel of apples or a dollar in money, have little hesitation to STEAL THE WRITTEN THOUGHTS AND EXPRESSIONS OF OTHERS and then palm them off as THEIR OWN. SUCH PERSONS NEED TO HAVE THEIR MORAL SENSES SHARPENED, so that they shall realize that it is as TRULY A THEFT to steal an article from a BOOK or PAPER and send it to the press as original, as it is to steal anything else.” {QSEW 65.6} * From Adventist Review and Herald Vol xxiv - Quote:"Plagiarism - This is a word used to signify 'LITERARY THEFT', or taking the production of another and passing them off as one's own... We are perfectly willing that pieces of the Review, or any of our books should be published to any extent, and all we ask is, that simple JUSTICE be done us, by DUE CREDIT BEING GIVEN." - Uriah Smith
In regards to the amount or what we eat having to do with the 10 commandments, 1 Timothy 4:1 starts with talking about doctrines of devils, and forbidding certain foods that should be received with Thanksgiving. I think it's more important that we feed the hungry, and refusing to help somebody when we are able to help them has a lot more to do with morals than having a cup of tea. Not to mention, Jesus ate fish. He preached about feeding the hungry, but I don't know any sermon about not putting salt on your food (if salt is a condiment)
Question for SDAs: Presumably you believe that, as asserted in SDA Fundament Belief 24, "In 1844 . . . [Christ] entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry . . ." Is your belief in a "second and last phase of [Christ's] atoning ministry" based on scripture or on an extra-scriptural source of information?
@@matthewtoves8919 Close. The day after “The Great Disappointment” of October 22, 1844, Hiram Edson, while hiding in a field of corn shocks to avoid public humiliation, (conveniently) had a vision that the Millerites in fact had the day correct, but had the activity wrong: Jesus was not to come back to earth; instead He moved to the inner apartment of the Holy Sanctuary in heaven. Edson communicated this to O. R. L. Crosier, who published it in his DayStar newsletter a couple years later. Young Ellen, around 1848, had a vision of her own, confirming Edson’s vision. People were grasping for some reason to explain their error, and the “Little Flock” was born. A superb book on the subject is Steve Daily’s “Ellen G. White, a Psychobiography”.
What vision was the Angel Explaining to prophet Daniel in Daniel 9 in response to Daniel Prayer? Was it not the vision of Daniel 8 of the evenings and mornings? Was was the vision of Daniel 8 about, was it not about the Sanctuary being trampled and when it would be cleansed? Was not Daniel told that that vision would be not for his time but for many days? What does the book of Hebrews say? Where did Jesus go into when he ascended? (Heb 8,9) Where is he ministering? Is it not in heaven, in the temple made without hands? In Daniel 7:10-14 (after the period of dominance of the little horn) Do you see a court being seated and books being opened? Is that not a judgement scene in the throne room? being Witnessed by the Angels(heavenly beings) Who comes to the Father when this judgement begins? Is it not one like the son of man (Jesus)? Why does he come? Is it not to receive his kingdom? Is this all happening on earth or in heaven? Where is God’s throne? Is it not in heaven? Who makes up the kingdom that Jesus receives? Is it not the saints of the most high Daniel 7:26,27 Is not Jesus currently determining who will make up his kingdom by reviewing the books spoke of in Daniel 7:10? It is all in the Bible. Do not be distracted by those who recanted or defected. The truth of God’s Word withstands scrutiny.
A thought that came to mind is that God could have created us with any drive to eat for survival, yet he chose to place tastebuds in our tongues. She was clearly not only a plagiarist, but and extremest. On another note, do you think she could have been inspired enough to warn the church about how harmful meat replacements are, especially those that use gluten? I mean she saw the future, right?
Thank you for your devotion and work. It's exactly what I was looking for lately. I'm not an sda, but almost became one and was already polluted by egw false ideas.
This are the words of our Lord: Matt 15,11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
30:00m Mark 7:18-23 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
That's the best documentation I ever found on internet about Ellen White mistakes!!!!!! Thanks God!! God bless you brother!!! P.S.: I'm an adventist. But I don't believe in many things adventism teaches.
Dear Welder, please tell me why the SDA'S hospitals perform abortions , for any reason . Don't they know they are breaking the commandment of " thou shall not kill' ? God created the babies and intended for them to live. Strange for a group of people that adhere strongly to the 10 commandments. IAM not Catholic but at least they hate abortion. They know it is murder. I await a comment from you. Thanks.
@@mediqponky if you agree 100% with any church's doctrines and teachings let me tell you that you are a lamb and not a pastor. There is no perfect church out there.
@@iguanapoolservice1461 ok. Yes, no church is perfect because there are people there. You are correct. However, the Bible is 100% trustworthy and people need to attend a church that teaches and preaches the word of God. If you don't think the Adventist Church is that church, you should go to one that does.
@@mediqponky you said it right. No church out there has the absolute truth. So there is no church out there that aligns perfectly with the bible, not the adventist church either. So we have to find the closest thing to it. I'm still searching.
Great content! Thank you so much for the time and effort you have put into all this. I have a question. My wife has been reading some of Charlotte Mason’s work on Education and found that it’s very similar to Ellen’s book “Education.” Have you done any research in that area?
Wow, great work. I didn't know of the sheer amount of evidence that disproves Ellen's writings are divinely inspired. As a past adventist all I ever heard was how great she was and how she was the last prophet. I am planning on showing this to my family members at some point, I'm sure they will try to deny it but the evidence speaks clearly for itself.
If your family members were in the church in the 70's-80's then they are probably familiar with the church's defense regarding her plagiarism. I am working through their defenses as I go along in these videos, and I plan to dedicate one or two videos to their claims in the future. I say this so that you will not be shocked when they confidently claim none of this is an issue based on what the church has told them. Good luck.
@@TesttheProphet They converted pretty early so I wouldn't be surprised if they were to deny the whole thing. I looked at the response the church put out but saying she only used other material to enrich her own is a very slimy way of squirming out of the fact that she would take almost word for word what other people wrote, that is plagiarism not borrowing. Also, there is a section in the church's website that has the amount of lines that have a parallel to other books but they mention how the total amount does not represent the total extent of her literary "borrowing" so who knows what the total really is and even if they are accurately presenting the total. Looking forward to that next video.
Yeah, the church uses many different arguments to attempt to explain away the issue AFTER she was caught. The truth is, Ellen did not let people know what she was up to and thus their explanations fall short for many reasons. I do hope your family will watch the videos. There is nothing better than seeing it with your own eyes.
I think when you start showing your family all of this evidence against EGW, 2 things will happen..First is total shock that you are even talking this way about EGW.. Then a total shutdown of themselfs in regards to even listening to you at all..It will be equivalent to talking to a brick wall.. Believe me..2.5 years of trying to show all of this to my ex wife (she was born into the organization) and nothing I said or showed meant anything to her.. It is so hard to describe, but when speak to a person and you know that nothing you say is being heard.. So be ready for it..
@@TesttheProphet I came into the SDA church because of what I found in the Bible in regards to the Sabbath, the clean and unclean animals and the state of the dead. I had no idea that Ellen White was so important and I could never do enough brain gymnastics to understand how Daniel’s prophecy proved true the “Investigative Judgement”. I tried to just be ignorant and go on reading her books “because they are so useful”. One day I thought it would be good to study on my own the letter to the Hebrews. After reading, I became more hopeful in the sacrifice of Jesus for me, and more and more confident in His salvation by faith in Him. I started to ask questions. Why should I believe that this person was a prophet and believe this impossible doctrine without checking things out? So here I am… There are many people like me that go to the Adventist church without believing that EGW is a prophet.
Thank you for your research and the time you put into making and editing all these videos. I've been doing my own research for a few years now and I'm shocked about what I've found. May the Holy spirit lead us all into truth.
Thank you for doing this! You are very thorough! It would be great if you could do a similar investigation on the concept and word "church." The word translated in most Bibles in Matthew 16:18 is the word church but the original manuscripts contain the Koine Greek word Ekklessia that does not translate into church but rather into Congregation or Assembly. Church comes from kuriakon, kirche, kirk, cirice...to name a few root words from different languages. The concept of church is also different from the non-hierarchical, non-authoritarian and non capital-intensive Ekklesia/Assembly that we see in the New Testament after Pentecost. Those are some of the things that I've learned but I know that you could do a more detailed investigation of this subject. Thank you and may the LORD Bless you!
A good source is, "Authority of the Christian Leader" by Darius Jankiewicz. Another good source is, "ORDINATION - PART 3 - HISTORY" also by Darius Jankiewicz. (Please see "The History of The Pastor" section.)
@@TesttheProphet And your time is being well spent! I understand. Thanks for the reply and thanks for considering! Thanks again for the research you are doing on Ellen White!
We were taught that egw wasn’t highly educated, that she was virtually illiterate and the fact that she wrote so much proved that she was a prophet yet here we are finding that she had a library and that she “borrowed” or was “inspired” to use other peoples work (and that she had a staff putting works together for her) the legal question aside one has to question the integrity of someone who uses other publications and passes it off as their own and especially when large sums of money are involved. I have to wonder what the outcome for the denomination would have been if they had put included a bibliography in the back of the books.
The books would probably not sell as well if they were footnoted--they would lose their luster of intrigue from claims of being supernaturally germinated by a self proclaimed "sickly" 19th century woman.
@YAJUN YUAN No major mistakes? Eating meat has never caused me to have sex. Drinking coffee or tea has never caused my lips to "loosen" to commit gossip.
@@TesttheProphet I really must quit thinking that I've heard it all.... Didn't Ellie have "a servant possibly from India, that seems to remind me of Queen Victoria ~ Ellie, it has been reported, had a large airy pleasant bedroom, while James White had a cot in a closet. But then again, they were apart so much of the time, it may not have been of any consequences. I have read that James was never a pleasant human, and that a series of strokes just made it worse. To my mind, those 'wounds" inflicted by abusing the spiritual and emotional essence of an especially impressionable younger lady, or one under regular hormone swings from pregnancy and postpartum episodes....
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Roman 10:9-10 Nothing here saying my treat of a cup of tea and piece of chocolate keeping me from my Salvation. It’s one thing to be healthy in respect for our body as a temple to Christ but to say it is a requirement for Salvation is Biblical incorrect.
It’s the lack of integrity and honesty that disturbs me. The problem is…so much of her writings and influence are foundational to the Adventist church. Without the this the ‘house of cards’ would fall. So sad 😞
This work she did is still massive of great help, most of us would never have come across these (copied) sources, maybe thats plagiarism but they have not been so far as i have seen against the bible. Maybe she should have qouted, but also it could be that its good that we read them and they have been helpful, however i am still waiting for the test against the bible. They go no against the teaching of the bible at least so far that i know. To the law and to the Testimony if they speak not accoridng the bible(teach anything away from the bible) it is because their is no truth in them. Moving on to the next video
Last seconds of the video: “I encourage you to discuss these topics with your family during this holiday season”. That will be a lively discussion if not completely shut down from the start. I haven’t seen all the videos yet, but the content if very diligent. Can I ask you, if you remain Adventist after these discoveries? If so, what is your rational? I am asking these questions regarding myself.
I couldn’t stop watching this series because I enjoyed it so much. You are thorough and summative. Immediately I had to subscribe. Looking forward to future videos.
Hello Test the Prophet, I was meaning to ask because at the end of the video it was said that the first four chapters of an EGW was 90-95% similar to another book. I wanted to ask which exact book and volume was the book of Ellen and which book should I compare it with to know the similarities. Thank you. Cuz I'm still confused😂😅
Hi Stephen, these two books were discussed: 1. The first 4 chapters of The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 1 by Ellen White (1870) 2. Paradise Lost by John Milton (1667)
@@TesttheProphet Hmmm, I recently listened to a video about the concept found in the controversy by Coleen Tinker when EGW said that the Law which in Adventism is always limited to the 10 Commandments because it was written on Stone rather than what the Bible has already defined what The Law is, was Eternal from Heaven with Satan/Lucifer showing how he broke it and Jesus basically came to vindicate The Law by teaching us how we mankind too can keep it... Yh, basically I was hoping if you found out that concept was also plagiarised from another book or if it is in John Milton's book on any page elsewhere. The thing is nowadays I am busy so I can't do as much research I wanted to but this concept would be a secret weapon for me to refute someone I have been showing these videos to so he would come to knowledge of the truth. Thanks.
Why would she not have thought these “similarities” to put it nicely would eventually surface and cause her integrity as a prophet to be questioned? What were her motives…? Simply a liar, or just plain crazy? Or would it have been a money scheme, a prophet for profit, if you will?
Kristy, that is the million-dollar question. Perhaps she did not believe anyone would find out? EGW is a complex figure that many of us are trying to understand.
In her letter to Fanny Bolton she didn't say that Fanny told to others that she (EW) was taking from others, but that everyone now THINKS that it is the truth. That doesn't leave an impression to me that she REALLY did that.
I recently attended an SDA meeting called "Studying Ellen White", a presentation by a doctor who has studied her extensively. At one point he told a story about how Ellen wrote letters to a friend that gave evidence to her marital issues with James and then subsequently advised her friend, in a later letter, to burn the previous letters. This doctor included this story as an example of Ellen White's humanity and that she had her struggles in life, as we all do. All I could get out of the story was a sickening sense of her deceitfulness and desire to make sure nobody would ever witness the things about herself that she didn't want them to know. I thought I couldn't dislike her more, but after watching all five parts of this series you have so thoroughly presented, I now find her a thoroughly detestable figure. The real dilemma is figuring out where to worship now that some of my SDA pillars are crumbling and others remain.
No need to distress because the Scriptures state the time is coming when you will not worship Yah in this mountain or at Jerusalem but will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. You are the temple made without hands and as this reality sinks in and we see what our responsibility is to Yah, He will begin to gather us together as He promised and bring us into fellowship with one another.
Yes I found it disturbing how she claimed in certain instances to have a vision or some new insight into whatever subject she was writing on, however, she was gathering ideas from others and then passing them off as her own, or from God. But unless someone shows you the evidence to the contrary, how would you ever know? She didn't announce what she was doing.
I have watched this video because a friend I appreciate asked me to watch them. I may be wrong about this but I can sense some resentment on the part of the author. I grew up as an SDA but was quite worldly minded and rebellious. When I was young EGW books were frequently used to smack church members on the head and point out their wrongs. Clearly this strategy would win her many enemies. I never read her books for myself. Then I found a book in our library by Rene Noorbergen called EGW the Prophet of destiny where he mentioned how EGW was given a vision of the destruction of San Francisco in 1905 a few days before it happened. Additionally, in that book he went over the biblical test of a true prophet, which she met. The book made an impression on me, nevertheless I did not read her books very much, I continued my pursuit of pleasure and worldly ambition. Years later when I was going through a very difficult time, the Holy Spirit spoke to me through a pastor who was preaching about how Jesus was the friend of young people, how he yearned to have a personal relationship with each of us. That was what I needed to hear during those dark days. By God’s providence I was led to study the gospels. I would read certain chapters in the gospels and then I would read the chapter of the Desire of Ages related to those Bible chapters. The Bible became alive to me. For the first time I began to see Jesus as a personal friend, full of grace and truth as John says. It was then that gradually my worldly heart was melted by the power of his love and His Spirit revealed to me the need of a savior. My sin and selfishness were revealed to me and I clearly understood that it was my sin that nailed Jesus to the cross. I gave my heart to Jesus and surrendered my life to him. The result was receiving peace and joy I had never experienced! No matter what was happening around me, my peace and joy could not be disturbed! I cannot explain the great joy and peace I had any other way but to say that Jesus was real to me and he was giving me His Holy Spirit. I had been born into the kingdom of heaven. Since then, the writings of EGW have always been a source of comfort and direction. I have always received a blessing when reading them in the light of God’s Word. I would encourage anyone who watched this videos to be fair and test to see if EGW writings agree with the Holy Scriptures. Do not allow anybody to do the judging for you. The Holy Spirit is on your side. John told us: Test the Spirits to see if they are from God. Test them does not mean, see if the give credit to their sources, it means test to see if they agree with the Word of God, if they lead to Jesus and exalt Jesus, if they edify the church if they do not excuse sin. Judge her by the fruit of her life of service to God and man. That is what the Bible says constitutes a true prophet. Test the prophet with the tests the Bible lays out, not with non-biblical tests.
Many people have criticize her writng.why God does not send any angle from heaven to protect EGW writing as He (God) has done to mother of Jesus. People criticize Mother Mary but She appeared to the world to proved them wrong.. That's make sitting on the fance.
This was the most in depth look at EG White’s testimonies & letters. Truth & untruth blended together. I left the SDA faith many years ago as I was uncomfortable with their teachings.
The Holy Spirit often gives us a "nudge" to let us know when, something is wrong. This "nudge" can come in the form of a discomfort we sometimes can't even explain.
I can't thank you enough for this. I've been married to a multi-gen on both sides Adventist who fell away for many years and has been coming back to the "faith" over the last many years by watching Adventist pastors on youtube. But we don't go to any church (I was raised in the Mormon church by adult convert parents, but all of my family stopped going about the time I started college. I stopped on my own, grew far from God and came back to him through the Bible and consider myself a non-denominational Christian), and I don't allow my children to be taught any unique Adventist beliefs, except for my husband's insistence on strict Saturday Sabbath keeping. I thought our beliefs could live side by side until many things came to light to me over the last few months about his beliefs, as well as the fact that we have very little faith community life and our oldest kids are teens, and I want more for them. But obviously not Adventism. And for my husband, obviously not Christianity (can I put an lol here?). Anyways, I started looking for sources several weeks ago, and I haven't been able to do anything but watch videos and read books about this since. I always knew, and told my husband, that much of his theology isn't Biblical, and also many of his ideas about other Christians and our beliefs are also incorrect, but I know you know that to say I HAD NO IDEA how deep and heretical and even, I'll say it, Satanic it all is would be the understatement of the year. Anyways, many great sources, like Answering Adventism, which I LOVE, are a bit harsh perhaps, for total Ellen believers. So I got my husband to agree to watch some things with me last Saturday and I was going to show him one of AA's videos when I was led to your series instead. I had seen part 5 on the AA channel, but not 1-4, which are the ones we watched. I just knew that your calm, humble style would get through to him better at this time. I literally took us hours to get through parts 1-3, because he had to pause it every few minutes to reflexively defend Ellen and it led to quite a bit of spirited argument, much of which was me begging him just to be quiet and listen. But I will tell you, that here in part 4 there was hardly any pausing at all, and when it ended, he was literally speechless. He had literally never learned this before, and was clearly somewhat shocked by it. When he got his tongue back, he said he'd have to look into it more, and put up several weak arguments that I now realize are the indoctrination lines on the subject, and said he still thought her message was correct. BUT, I see that this video was the foot in the door! That little crack that I needed, to get him past his ingrained indoctrinated belief that he shouldn't even question the unquestionable voice of God. And now the door is open for me to present him with more. This is huge. I also found a PDF of Steve Daily's Psychobiography of Ellen, which I had seen you recommend to another commenter, and could not do anything else until I finished reading it, once I had started. Super excellent read, and is available free on the web. I am still reeling from everything I am learning, and it just keeps going. I am praying hard that my husband will see the light one day, sooner than later. I just want to thank you for your great contribution to the cause, and congratulate you for having the courage and integrity to seek the truth and to follow it where it lead, no matter how hard it was. With my background in Mormonism, I know what that means.
Thank you for your comment! I sent up a prayer for your husband. I’ll be touching more on various modes of defenses the church use for this topic that he may bring up. After looking into many of these they break down when cross examined with history and evidence. I will release them when ready. God bless you.
From the April 2019 edition of Ministry Magazine: "The Seventh-day Adventist Church is losing members at an alarming rate. Even though the evangelism in our churches is winning people, we lose about 49 of every 100 baptized. This hemorrhaging of our members cannot continue. It is expected to get worse, especially in countries where soul winning is difficult; and if it continues, entire conferences maybe closed for lack of members." Think about that -- 49%. That's essentially half of all members leaving.
@@TesttheProphet There is a video that came out just a few days ago here on RUclips entitled "Dr. John Rosier. Part 1. The Sunday Law that Never was" put out by Christian Scholars Forum C.S.F, (apparently a group made up of largely of either Adventist reformers or former SDAs). In the Q & A section a participant discusses how she began to read the Bible for herself during the lockdown and now is almost embarrassed to call herself an Adventist. Another mentions how he had only read the Bible through the filter of the Sabbath quarterly. I think you'll find it an interesting video which even opens with a discussion of cognitive dissonance and bringing in our own presuppositions. I am looking forward to your next installment. Many blessings to you.
I am one of them. I was a graduate in our University in the Philippines. I had been a missionary in Korea, Thailand, and even in the jungles of Mindanao. But when I learned of EGW's copying of others works and claimed them as hers from vision, I stop attending the SDA Church. Now the Church where I attended had only about 4 families left. Before there were hundreds who were baptized. But they now attend to evangelical churches.
@@savebygrace5140 Glad to hear you came out of the SDA denomination. Most SDA "missionaries" I know have all been either "medical missionaries" or taught English abroad. So it appears to me that the SDA definition of missionary is generally quite different from the traditional one where the missionary is set on a mission to make converts to their faith.
I believe that eating too much he connected to the one of the biggest sin, glathony. But I feel so sorry for so many millions adventists who for generations lives by some "heath message", which is made 150 years ago....
Thank you for your very important research. The sda church is growing at an alarming rate, that should be of considerable consern to any Christian, especially those who hold any position of importance in the Christian churches, otherwise they are not worth their salt and should step away from the positions they claim to uphold. Ellen's writing's are theft at best, but seen as she claims that her words are directly form God, it is BLASPHEMY!
As I read the wrtings of EG white, I can’t help but be amazed at the wisdom of her wrtings given her low formal education. How she was able to quote or copy others works which are now found and proven to be true, especially those which pertain to health, shows that she was guided by a supernatural power.
@solomoncruz6367 Rubbish: . She was able to write what she did because she copied, and even the people she copied from got it wrong a lot of the time. She also had two assistants who did most of her editing . She had a vision where she saw tall people living on Jupiter🤔🤔🤪. Come on, really? Jupiter cannot sustain life. And do you think that God showed her things that were a lie! You really need to LISTEN to what's being said in these videos .
You must repent and become reconciled with God through the genuine gospel message. There’s no chance you heard the true gospel through the Adventist demonic cult. Finding a good fellowship with a real pastor/ teacher is not as important as your own personal relationship with Jesus. Finding a good “ church” to attend is not the end all and be all of your life. Jesus is the substance of the new covenant. Becoming a new creation in Christ is what Christianity is all about.
God placed a shadow law precisely in the center of the Decalogue. Shabbat was a temporary shadow cast by the substance; Jesus of Nazareth. The shadow is gone.
I wonder how many of those in here have taking the time to read her writings on context. It's easy to criticize egw when all you do is listen to those who once called themselves Adventists but never spent time on God's word or read her writings. If I was a betting man, I would bet that many if not all have not read her writings with a bible on hand. Perhaps that's where you should start
Oh, wow! So indepth; I love it! I enjoyed listening to this vid - my first. You bet, I'll be checking out the previous ones - and follow ups. I like the tonal quality of your voice, which I find works perfectly with your work here 👍🏾. I have read some of EGW'S work; about the claims of plagiarism - and those refuting it, for obvious reasons - and the influence she's had on Her church, from its beginning till now. She struck me as a master manipulator (mistress, in that case 😁), dictatorial, and controlling, and I likened her to Hitler, whose modus operandi was fear through brainwashing, violence, etc. EGW'S MO was directly opposite, in relation to violence; she used the "love of God," but FEAR was the foundation: Fear of God, based on people's ignorance and inability to understand the Word of God, at that time - and even now for those who have been indoctrinated/brainwashed by her teachings and suckered into Adventism. This vid, with its well researched content - I mean, you got the "thumbs up " from Peter 😃 - has served to deepen my conviction. It has also emboldened me into posting on Adventism on my Fb page, where it seemed, I've started a flurry of comments and questions from an Adventist friend - in private, of course, when I posted a conversation I'd overheard coming from an Adventist regarding Christmas, and how God was "against" the putting up of Christmas trees - and that it was "in the Bible!" I did it for pure amusement but it has developed into a smoldering fire, when in subsequent discussions, he alluded to her being the "lesser light," and that he, "hopes that the Holy Spirit will lead me to the Truth and that when I see it, I will accept it!" Oh, boy! That smoldering fire has developed into a full blown flame right now 😃....When and if I do quote you - as I probably will - be sure that I'll give due credit 😆. Thanks for this addition to my current arsenal! 🤣...Blessings! 🙏🏾
45:00m it appears that Ellen used a dowsing technique - perhaps better than my own. But for example, twice within a span of 5 minutes I went from a grand question of great importance to finding the exact text I needed in the Bible. And this was in fact prophetic and delivered me from the random void of impending destruction ("scheduled entropy") just in time, and literally by divine intervention. And have come to understand that gift quite well because I am a competent theorist in quantum intelligence. I am also able to very very competently dowse books and know what I will see and understand in detail and depth, literally what I will read on a given page - before I open the book. Maybe I should write a book and title it "Call me Ellen?" Fortune cookies time after a meal at the buffet is always fun. Parking spaces - if I'm not too distracted - is 100% "that car, in the next minute." Seriously. This is probably quite normal for someone with some talent and quite a lot of study and practice. And need. Faith is also a given, that God and his emanations literally exist. Christianity is not the first to believe this wholly. What I describe is a minor miracle of time travel and entanglement - it's really not unusual. In fact it is the default, operating continually under the layers of consciousness. It's how everything works - you know, like the Gospel of John 1:1. The Purpose of God in the world manifesting through the Logos, at least at the greater end, is superior to any other form of divination. This is the comprehension of God speaking. But this leaves the controversy - doesn't it? As these books and this talent and skill is not as claimed to the rank and file. It is, you must admit, quite a clever deception - and I am wondering about whether it was "authorized" or not for the greatness that came from it (glory of the fruit)? I don't know the answer - but I think that's the right question here. I believe in greater and lesser gifts and their expression and glory & purpose. Ellen evidently did too. Here come the judges. RUclips.com/@REVV19
An amazing video idea would be examining the plagiarism of Ellen white when she is supposedly directly (in parenthesis) quoting God or an angel and even that is direct plagiarize.
I know this video is about 2years old, but 2 points of contention for me that I want to share. First I grew up in a colporteur/literature evangelist household. The amount of testimonials from men women boys and girls coming into the seventh Day Adventist faith, by the evangelism done by my household is more than I can count. Do you think those personal testimonies contradicts egw status as a prophet in any way? Second question. Can a church love God and bear a false prophet simultaneously? My biblical reference is revelation 2:20. When I think of the evidence of egw as a false prophet I think of the above verse in Revelation referencing Jezebel the false prophet.
Yes, many muslims love the idea of GOD IMMENSELY, They will blow themselves up for him However Muhammad is not a true prophet and Allah is a demonic evil spirit
Your videos are thorough. I don’t know how to label myself right now as anything other than an Adventist in doctrine, but not in organization/culture (I have not attended a church building for years and, as of late, have been attending a non-denominational church). Allowing myself to even click on videos like this kind of scares me, as one year ago I would have avoided these videos at all costs, not allowing even a sliver of doubt in EGW or Adventism to be introduced into my head, for fear of turning against God and being lost. But, as I journey through my adult years, I have experienced many emotional and spiritual pains and have realized the importance of truly knowing my faith for myself. So, I’m researching. A LOT. So much so, that it has taken up the majority of the past few days. I barely have any attention span for videos of this length, but I have been listening pretty intently all the way through this series so far. One question arises in my mind more boldly than others as I listen, and I would really appreciate it if you could give me your answer: On the subject of plagiarism, we can see that Ellen in fact did pull ideas from other sources that were in print before her books were. That is becoming more clear to me. However, your immediate conclusion is that, in light of this, she is a liar and someone with malicious intent. My question is, why isn’t it considered that perhaps her inspiration from the Holy Spirit WAS finding the gems of truth in all the muddy water surrounding Adventism, and have any of the accounts of people on the receiving ends of her prophetic letters (where she says she was able to hear their dinner table conversations) been found/looked into to see if she indeed heard what was being said? I suppose that is two questions and I don’t have the time to look over my comment for any errors in thought process as my violin student just walked in, but I appreciate your time and I look forward to finishing this series.
Hi Emily, Thanks for dropping by and leaving your message. I completely relate to what you have said about realizing the importance of truly knowing one’s faith for themselves. This is part of the reason I began my own studies, and this channel is slowly catching up to what I have discovered. I know some of these early videos could be finessed more in argumentation, and certainly I do not claim to be omniscient. Trust me, it was truly difficult to consider Ellen may not be who she claimed to be just as difficult as it was you to click on this video. As to your question “why isn’t it considered that perhaps her inspiration from the Holy Spirit WAS finding the gems of truth in all the muddy water surrounding Adventism, and have any of the accounts of people on the receiving ends of her prophetic letters (where she says she was able to hear their dinner table conversations) been found/looked into to see if she indeed heard what was being said?” 1. I believe one must remember the framework for what she claimed. She was low educated; she was injured; she had many visions and dreams that unlocked the scriptures for her. She claimed the Holy Spirit helped her in writing her books. She commanded that people respect her, purchase her books, and obey the light she was given. She, as a woman in the 19th century had no respect and was in no place to write what she did. So at the fundamentals, these are grandiose claims. I see you play violin. Imagine a young person presents an orchestral score and claims to have generated it with the help from heaven. Then upon closer inspection you find Shostakovitch, Tchaikovsky, and perhaps Mussorgsky within the score. Does it make it more concerning if this young composer claims to have had supernatural help in this feat, or if they are a professional that claims to be using motives from other composers to write their symphony? Could someone use another's material to pretend to be someone they are not? Now in regards to the gems of truth argument. She did not publicly claim that she gathered gems of truth from other authors to use in her books. If you know of otherwise, please let me know. When she used that phrase, it was in reference to the lost doctrines that she stated were now being rescued and being returned to the church. I will have a video on “gems” at a later date. The example in this video regarding gems of truth she did not want people to know she was using, was published after her death by her son. As to whether the Holy Spirit told her to look in all these books is anyone’s guess. But to see more of the jigsaw and how the books were made does no harm. 2. As to what she heard/saw around the dinner table I do not know if anyone verified these. To me personally, she would have had to hear something quite specific, but again, angels evil or holy could also tell someone these things. Clairvoyance was very common during this time period. I hope that has helped some. I will illustrate this better when the time comes. I am curious your thoughts on my 5th video as I think it illustrates well how she came up with her “testimonies”. P.S. You play the violin well.
@@TesttheProphet Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. And thank you for your kind words about my violin playing! :) I will definitely keep watching and let you know my thoughts on your 5th video when I get there. Talk soon!
I do not believe in Adventism and I think it's a false religion and a deception. However, if a message is significant and from God, it doesn't mean she can't plagiarize. The message can be from God but the precise words can be borrowed from any source?
Seems to me..you skewing he writings.. she didn't add or take anything away from scripture.. she's said clearly in her writings that scripture was above her writings.. Sunday still stands in your way.
I am currently reading Desire of Ages and there are loads of things written in there that are not in the Bible... it's crazy how she expounds on a Bible story so extensively and makes one wonder what she got all of this info from.. I'm only on chapter 4 but ready to throw the book in the bin before it starts to pollute my mind... I think I will stick to my daily Bible study...
1:17:48 😂 “Food for worms…” ?! Hahaha, I see what you did there! Better food for worms than subjects of the seven last plagues, if you know what I mean! 😉 1T 131.3 if you want to be in on the failed-prophecy joke. 😂
For me this is not a valid video, misinterpreting her books May God help you to believe His prophets so that you shall be established Testimonies v9 p11 - 9/11 event is a no child event Either ways come out of Babylon and behold Christ and lose inside of self, Sunday law is coming
I believe 100 percent that Ellen white was inspired by God. It doesn't matter what you say. I feel sad for you knowing you grew up in Adventist. God knows his own. Clearly you are quoting what suits your fancies. Just remember you are talking about GOD'S SERVANT.
@@TesttheProphet Having listened to the four videos, I am impressed by both the reasoned arguments and the dignified approach you have used to point out errors. This is exemplary because you have not vilified Ellen White or Adventists in general. While I am not Adventist, I prefer that kind of spirit. You have adopted the biblical advice: "come and let us reason together." I feel that the atmosphere of any discourse is just as important as the content. Thank you, sir.
Vasti Rampersad Any persons who claim that EGW was inspired by God Donot have Bible knowledge EGW plagerised and said God gave her the inspirations ,she was a fraud and a false prophet
@@umabrijmohun6720 That Ellen White relied on other people's works seems undeniable. As a person, however, she was a sincere lover of Jesus and has provided vivid descriptions of the loveliness of Jesus. She has helped many people deepen their faith in Christ. In addition, she gave valuable encouragement to Adventists during their lowest point following the Great Disappointment. Justice demands we acknowledge her contributions.
Not every one who claims to be prophet is a prophet. For there are many false prophets in these last days. All evidence proves her one. You are free to hold to your opinions. No one forces you against that.
Who cares if Ellen G White was or was not a prophet the real issue is this: is the true Sabbath The 7th Day or the 1st Day? What does the Sabbath Commandment actually say from the Biblical texts? If the Bible says the 7th Day is the Sabbath then the Adventists are correct if the Commandment says the 1st Day is the Sabbath then the Catholic Church is right. So the Bible says which? I know the answer do you? If you know do you still support the Catholic sabbath? If you don’t then why do you attend a non Catholic Church on the Catholic sabbath, (Sunday)???
The Sabbath is a red herring. It has nothing to do with Ellen Whites validity. If you want to claim Ellen was shown the 4th commandment in vision you run into further problems. Look at the end of my presentation on Answering Adventism.
The questions of inspiration, infallibility, and authority ***must be addressed in the light of known literary borrowing.*** Space permits us to deal with these three areas only as they relate to Ellen White's use of sources. Following are some of the conclusions that are beginning to come into focus: 1. Inspiration is not be equated with originality. 2. Inspiration does not involve the dictation of divinely chosen words. 3. Inspiration is not diminished by the use of uninspired sources. 4. Inspiration is affected by outside human influences. 5. Inspiration goes beyond what has been presented in vision, and sometimes stands independent of visions. 6. Inspiration provides the narrative for those portions of visions that were symbolic or that lacked a narrative. 7. Inspiration must include divine guidance in the selection of sources. ***(Do you disagree with these 7 points? Why?)*** The question of infallibility versus fallibility in the inspired writings hinges upon one's concept of inspiration. If one is firmly convinced that the very words of God were dictated to the prophet, then the writings must be infallible because God never makes a mistake in what He says. Ellen White avoids making such claims. "In regard to infallibility, I never claimed it; God alone is infallible. His word is true, and in Him is no variableness, or shadow of turning."-Selected Messages, book 1, p. 37. Here is the link for further reading regarding what I've said here: www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1982/06/human-thoughts-or-divine-truths
Frazier, I see once again you are copy/pasting an article written to Adventist pastors by the legal counsel of the Adventist Church - Warren Johns. This is the same attorney from the General Conference who hired attorney Vincent Ramik to write his report in 1982 in response to The White Lie by Walter Rea that I covered in part 3. Of course, the questions that initially come to mind based on his 7 points are: *I.* If Warren Johns believes those 7 points, why did he commission Vincent Ramik (to likely the tune of around ~$90,000 USD given the hours Ramik claims to have spent and the going rate of an attorney) to argue she did not commit plagiarism? If it is not an issue, because the Adventist church claims inspiration allows someone claiming to be a prophet free access to copy/steal whatever they want, why pay the legal fees? Why not utilize that money somewhere else? Why is this the chief defense on the White Estate's website? *II.* Why did the General Conference commission the Veltman Report if plagiarism is not an issue? Why pay Veltman and his team for 8 years (likely $1,000,000 or more) using conference money to investigate her plagiarism if it is not an issue? Was it all for show? Were they hoping to find out that Rea was wrong? *III.* The White Estate makes the case that she admitted she used other’s writings (implying it would be wrong not to). They make the case she did not plagiarize by listing the Ramik Report (implying it would be wrong if she plagiarized). Nichol has several chapters in his book attempting to defend EGW against plagiarism, even saying the extensive copying from Sketches from the Life of Paul was justifiable because she recommended book at one point that she took from without quoting (this also implies that if she does not recommend a book she plagiarizes that this would be wrong). I have several Adventist documents from the 1800s that callout plagiarism and call it a sin at the same time EGW was plagiarizing! (If you watched part3&4 you would have seen this) As I demonstrated in part 3 the trustees have been trying to show that she was not a copyist since the 1860s. However, now that it cannot be denied any longer they are now switching their game up and saying … well we know she copied, but now we can make it sound as though it is perfectly justified by the Bible and wind up back with a respectable prophet! Just because the Bible mentions the gift of prophecy and then Ellen White comes along and claims to hold this gift, does not automatically mean she is a true prophet. Any author can write about Christ and affect large change in the world (bear fruit). I want to see something that cannot be from a mere author writing about Christ. But what I see is a woman who has formed an empire from other authors and has lied about it. The Bible has strong words to say about those who claim false visions and I would argue this video shows two of these. *IV.* If inspiration is so “misunderstood” as the church claims today, now that her sources have been found out, *who* set Adventists up for this misunderstanding? It couldn’t possibly be the one who wrote these books could it? “Early in my public labors I was bidden by the Lord, "Write, write the things that are revealed to you." At the time this message came to me, I could not hold my hand steady. My physical condition made it impossible for me to write. But again Came the word, "Write the things that are revealed to you." I obeyed; and as the result it was not long before I could write page after page with comparative ease. Who told me what to write? Who steadied my right hand, and made it possible for me to use a pen ? - It was the Lord. When we come into right relation with him, and give ourselves wholly to him, we shall see the miracle-working power of God in word and deed.” (RH 6/14/1906) “The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the spirit of prophecy.” (July 2, 1900) "These books, giving the instruction that the Lord has given me during the last sixty years, contain light from heaven, and will bear the test of investigation." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 35, 1906) "I am thankful that the instruction contained in my books establishes present truth for this time. These books were written under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit." (Letter 50, 1906) "These books contain clear, straight, unalterable truth and they should certainly be appreciated. The instruction they contain is not of human production." (Letter H-339, 1904) "How many have read carefully Patriarchs and Prophets, The Great Controversy, and The Desire of Ages? I wish all to understand that my confidence in the light that God has given stands firm, because I know that the Holy Spirit's power magnified the truth, and made it honorable, saying: 'This is the way, walk ye in it.' In my books, the truth is stated, barricaded by a 'Thus saith the Lord.' The Holy Spirit traced these truths upon my heart and mind as indelibly as the law was traced by the finger of God, upon the tables of stone..." (Letter 90, 1906) ----------------------- Given that you have mentioned before that her divine inspiration is the key point here, then I would say before we can discuss the semantics of inspiration that Warren Johns writes about, you need to first: *1.* Provide from the Bible (show me specific verses) that prove Ellen White was an inspired prophet. I have also asked you before to give me a vision of Ellen's that has come true. You have been unable to provide this. Until this happens, it is obvious based on this video where her ideas came from. *2.* In regards to infallibility, can you tell me one thing that Ellen White has instructed that has been wrong?
@@TesttheProphet 1. I wanted to know your disagreement with those 7 points, however, you've introduced more questions based on your research in objection to EGW and those that defend her. Fair, but not my intent for the question. I didn't see in your comment a Biblical basis for rejecting these 7 points regarding inspiration. ***Is not the Bible our ultimate rule and guide (Prov. 3:5-6)?*** Does this mean that we avoid close examination? Absolutely not. I asked about these 7 points in particular. Can you find a Biblical basis for rejecting these 7 points?
2. 101 Questions on the Sanctuary and on Ellen White has much info. regarding EGW (sections include the following: The Plagiarism Charge , Copyright Laws and Plagiarism A Century Ago, Why Quotation Marks Were Omitted, Why Credit Lines Were Included, Was Ellen White Deceptive?, “The Words...Are My Own”, Why Ellen White Borrowed From Others, Ellen White Acknowledges Her Literary Borrowing, Borrowing from Uriah Smith on the Sanctuary, Examples of Word for Word Copying, Criteria of Dependence, W. C. White’s Integrity, and plenty more). Have you read and researched these? At best, you have a view and those who defend EGW have theirs and both sides have mountains of "research" and "evidence" to support their case. Which brings me back to point #1 - Can you reject EGW from the Bible? ***Aren't we to test what is true from God's Word (1 Thess. **5:21**)?***
3. "It is a fact that Ellen White did use the works of others to some extent while engaged in her writing, but there is no evidence of intention to deceive on her part, nor is there evidence that any other author was ever deprived of his legitimate benefits because of her activities. No publisher or author in any land has ever brought or threatened to bring suit against Ellen White on the ground that the rights of publishers or authors had been infringed upon. (See Brief Statements Regarding the Writings of Ellen G. White)" This quote is taken from Section G of the book mentioned in #2 under the heading Ellen White as a Writer - The Plagiarism Charge. Does this mean anything to you? Was there an actual suit brought against EGW? Honest question...you've read more in this regard than I have at this point...
4. Finally, regarding the questions you asked me at the end - the first one needs to be answered in your personal study. To start, begin with the SDA Fundamental Belief regarding EGW/the gift of prophecy/the remnant church. ***Attend to it the same way you'd present these videos.*** I believe EGW fits what the belief says based on what the Bible teaches. Regarding EGW visions, I'm still researching them myself, I will share my findings as soon as I can. I have not forgotten. - UPDATE - there is a book that lists entitled The Great Visions of Ellen G. White in pdf form. The author has chosen 10 of her visions to focus on. I point you to that resource as I review it myself. Regardless of your conclusion, it all points back to point #1...whether or not the Bible is the ultimate rule and guide for conclusions about spiritual things. You disagree that she was inspired of God b/c you can point to someone else saying what she said. It makes sense to me that her writings would have connection to others that came before her since her education was stunted (at least to some degree) by an injury she suffered. Wouldn’t that factor into how she read/comprehended info.? Even if it doesn’t for you personally, I go back to the main point (and a video that I’m waiting to see from you) what does God have to say about her? Anyone can make a case for or against her (with all the evidence they want) - ***but shouldn’t we depend on what God says through His word? Doesn’t He have the final say?*** With regarding to infallibility, I won't say that I completely agree with "everything" that she's written - and the disagreements are based on changing time/culture. What she wrote "back then" may not apply "today." But, from what I have read of her I agree with. I haven't come across anything that I have read that I would count as "wrong."
@@TesttheProphet Your statement: I have several Adventist documents from the 1800s that callout plagiarism and call it a sin at the same time EGW was plagiarizing! (If you watched part3&4 you would have seen this).. I'll return to the videos to see where you've made these points and provide a response when I can.
@@TesttheProphet Fair and reasonable response. My only reply is that the principle theme of the videos you've made is the same. Have I watched every second of any of your presentations? No. Have I gained a general understanding of the point you're making, yes. I gather this from your video description and skimming sections throughout your videos. So, I'm not entirely commenting w/out knowing what's going on.
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Bro do you realize you have freed me from a burden I didn’t even know I carried well God did through you
Now to fight the indoctrination
❤❤ Praise the Lord!!!
This series is the most well presented and well thought out exposé on this topic that I have ever seen. Important. Meaningful. Explosive. Must see material! Thank you!
Thanks, Peter. I would encourage everyone to join "SDAQ&A" on Facebook to watch the hundreds of interviews Peter has with many notable Adventist guests. For example, in 2020 he interviewed dozens of those who were at or who surrounded the Glacier View debate with Desmond Ford. He features guests both for and against Adventisms controversial doctrines. All Adventists should be aware of these controversial topics -- and arguments from both sides -- in their church.
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She’s a fraud thro and thro , I was an Adventist for 35 years thank God I found the biblical truth
I know this video is long, but I believe it will be worth your time from beginning to end. Feel free to use the pause button.
The longer the better brother so excited to be watching this. Been praying for you
When do you think the next video will be out. Hope you are well brother.
@@incidentalauditor I'm not sure, but I hope to film later this month (April) or early next month.
I don’t mind the longer content. Especially when it’s so well put together like yours. Thanks for all your hard work. This has given me even more confirmation that my gut and spiritual discernment have been correct all along!
I appreciate ur work my friend but I would like to know what church u attend now
These videos are such a tremendous public service. Thank you sir for spreading truth, no matter how uncomfortable.
You’re most welcome!
I've been waiting patiently for this! 🙏🏾
Stellar research, brother!
Keep these high quality videos coming!
Appreciate it CMB!
@@TesttheProphet C.M.B. is way cool.
@@rayray4192 very way cool, I think!
@@cindiloowhoo1166 wish I was in Chicagoland so I could go to Baker’s Square and eat some French Silk pie and then go to the North side for deep dish pizza ( real pizza) and a Cubs baseball game. I’m 2 miles north of Mexico in South San Diego. Hope you’re well and happy.
That's such a good presentation! Unfortunately (or fortunately) not many people know or care about the SDA church and EGW so this video might not get as many views as it deserves. I hope a lot SDA people find this video and give it a chance.
I agree these videos will probably not receive many views, but if it has caused even a few to think different it will be worth it to me. The only way for Adventists to find these is for those who have watched them to share with them via text, email, or social media.
@@TesttheProphet I have tried and I hope it has reached at least one. Two ignored my messages, one got super mad and called me herretic, and one said that she rather choose "to be inspired" then look into anything that's against egw :(.
It is tough. I have also experienced condescending remarks when raising questions regarding EGW. For many she has always been their spiritual grandmother and it is an insult to question her.
@TesttheProphet Thank you for your videos! I'M THE ONE! I have been raised Adventist and asking about EGW, because in my opinion she doesn't pass the test of the prophet in the Bible alone. This year was the first time I had heard about the White Lie. Great Research here. I will be passing these on to my family, their choice to watch or listen. God bless you all
@bethanycordero8181 You’re most welcome!
I absolutely love your detailed videos. I grew up in the Adventist church. It is funny how even after watching your videos, I still have doubts, because the Ellen White writings (I’ve read most of it) Adventist proof text, and legalistic teachings are still embedded in my brain and soul. I have to continue watching your videos repeatedly, and at some point the truth will grab me.
Congratulations for searching the truth,God bless you! You may also like videos of FormeAdventist, FAF and video series named defeating adventism. They will add to those amazing videos here.
"The teachings are embedded in my soul" I can relate
Same. I can relate as well. I must say that since reading some of her books, questions and doubts have come up. I would get an uncomfortable feeling when I would read something that was an addition to the Bible. I would wonder where she came up with these ideas. I am so desperate for truth but a the same time I second guess myself and feel afraid to question. I don’t believe this is how God wants us to feel. The SDA church is not a safe place to come forward with questions on EGW, this also should not be so.
C'est une usurpatrice, malhonnête 😢,c'est triste Que Dieu ait pitié des endoctrinés par cette femme Sola scriptura, la Bible seule
L'enseignement de l'église adventiste n'est pas basé sur la Bible(exemple:il faut prêter serment à toute une liste d'obligations à l'église pour être baptisé devenir membre et non disciples de Jésus Christ comme dans la Bible(l'eunuque ,le centenier. ....😢)
This is how it was for me, I had to see multiple videos and books debunking SDA to get out. Especially Desmond Ford, Walter Rhea, DM Cantwright, SDA Q&A, etc. The biggest debunker of EGW is EGW herself though, constantly making false prophecies and straight up superstitious behavior
I appreciate Test The Prophet's spirit and I wish all who have come to understand the truth in this matter would have such a sweet spirit, but unfortunately a lot of ex-sdas are bitter and angry because they were deceived. There needs to be a right spirit even though we are disappointed and upset to learn we have been deceived it doesn't help to go about it in the wrong way. We are to forgive and deal with the facts, accordingly, sharing truth without sharp jabs or being angry that doesn't help the truth to get to those who need it.
The message in this comment needs to be noised everywhere among those who are bitter so that they will deliberate with each other in a quest for truth using the spirit of Christ. Thank you! I aspire to have this spirit you have laid bare here.
@@chucksmith4624 You may have found a channel that is proving error in the SDA church, but this is a place where biblical truth is shared and a right spirit which I don't find in your presentation. I pray you will seek truth with a pure motive and mind.
This is the same James White who edited away all traces of shut door references😳 This Ellen White and her husband were a real Bonnie and Clyde duo… Absolute scoundrels.
It's difficult to imagine the founder of the church you were raised in being intentionally deceptive -- especially given all the wonderful people in Adventism. However, the more I study, the more this appears to be the case.
@@TesttheProphet : It is the case my friend. This is the caliber of deception Jesus Christ warns off.
Personally, I wrote off Ellen White and pioneering Adventism when I read her amalgamation quotes. No decent person can harbor such satanic views.
I read James White’s and Uraiah Smith’s defense of these abominable amalgamation quotes and I concluded years ago that Adventism was a rotten piece of fruit from the beginning. It was never good and anything built on the EVIL foundation cannot be either.
@@TesttheProphet : I understand how difficult it must be for you to confront this. Adventism is a mental health issue. It is deception of the most insidious nature such that, if possible the very elect would be deceived.
@@TesttheProphet : By the way I applaud you for the work you have done in educating your audience on the implications of Ellen White’s plagiarism. You have done a fantastic job and eternity will honor your courage and honesty. Don’t let Adventism suck you back into it’s vortex of fear, misery and depression. Ellen White herself was not a happy person.
Thanks, Ezra. I have no plans to go back. Her plagiarism has been only one of many issues. I'd rather belong to a church that teaches the pure gospel with no outside interference.
Amazing, just amazing! This is absolutely what we need as Adventist and as Christians in general. I have a copy of the “White Lie” also have a copy of the “White Truth”. Another amazing book is “Visions and Revisions” by Ronald Graybill. That book is a must read! I’d like to discuss some different issues with you sometime. Thanks again for this group of videos. Amazing resource. God bless.
I’ve done studies for 6 weeks at a SDA church. Had more demonic attacks then ever. My study elder kept doing devil horns ‘subconsciously’ I don’t take that lightly. Reading about the end every week causing stress, my religious ocd exploding taking me to the darkest depression I’ve ever had. Pray I am lead by Christ, I disregarded my discernment. All I want is Yushua to be with me.
I grew up in the Adventist Church, and I was taught that your type of demonic attacks might actually be the devil trying to stop you from joining the Adventist church. Isn’t it interesting how we can get so confused when we start studying the Bible for real? Now I’ve been led to believe that the attacks from the devil were for the opposite reason, maybe it was because The Adventist church was not the right church. I’ve recently been studying more, and praying more, and the devil attacks have resumed tenfold. God bless you in your search, I’m right there with you. I knew everything there was to know about Ellen White, all her writings, and the church beliefs. I haven’t been to the church in years, but some in my family still hold dear the Adventist beliefs. It is a daily struggle.
@@inspiredasmr1031 closer to God less attacks. Ellen is a false profit who was buried with an Egyptian grave. I'm sure Ra is pleased with her deceptions. I'm sure William miller the free mason is also pleased. the SDA church is cursed imo just like Mormons and Jehova witness.
@@inspiredasmr1031 I can understand fully the demon attacks.
After I joined the SDA church,
it started with one of her books being thrown off a shelf and literally smashed down on the kitchen floor. We were outside at the time and wondered what the loud crashing sound was . Upon going inside ,we saw Counsels on Diet and Health laying in the middle of the floor opened. There was absolutely NO possible way for the book to do that itself.
I was told that it was a sign I should read her books.🤔
Things escalated from there to nasty
The whole time I was active in the Adventist church, the demon activity was awful, especially when I read my Bible.
They harassed, scared my children, animals, husband and myself.
There definitely was something wrong.
I won't go into detail as to what used to happened, it was beyond disturbing.
But since we put Ellen Whites books outside of the home, things settled down .
Prayer was the answer .
I have religious OCD too and it’s making me feel so much guilt for even researching this. I prayed for you after posting this reply.
It is interesting that Ellen White pontificates on the merits of abstaining from alchol, whilst being an alchol addict herself😳 Ellen White was and is a con-artist pure and simple. That people refuse to see this is and defend her crimes is a choice and the mandate incumbent on the veracity and force of the evidence which now abounds.
"Ellen White was and is a con-artist" 100%. Currently Pr.Ted Wilson is vigourously promoting Her works and made plans for the world church to distribute millions of Great Controversy books! Great controversy is just another copied work of history from hundreds of authors.
Was she really
@@thekingsson1757 I speak from my own research. She was a liar and a false prophet.
yeah i hear you just want to say if we don't show proof its gossip and we should not do that
@@thekingsson1757 : Yes she was.
This is a cogent presentation of a complex issue. Thank you for delineating so carefully on Ellen White's literary theft. I hope your work circulates widely.
Come Out From Her My People. Denominationalism kills scriptural truth.
No words for this …. Just completely 🤯. It’s extremely simple and easy for me to ignore this prophet and doctrine of EGW but I have family and friends who devote themselves to these doctrines of demons… My voice and words are numb to them, they don’t listen to me. Every SDA is in my prayers, if there was a wolf dressed in sheep clothing it would be exactly the SDA “Church”. To think I was once deceived by this stuff.
I can see that you are the servant of Jesus. Don't let anything stop you from exposing the devils.
(Rev3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:
for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.)🙏
So if using condiments such as mustard should be compared to the effects of an alcoholic, we need to start having rehabilitation programs to help people putting mustard on their pretzel. And she expected physicians of every land to follow this. I'm very sorry for her head injury as a child, but how can the white estate publish and sell her writings and call them the spirit of prophecy, profiting off of selling her books...even less when prophecy involves saying what will happen in the future, and nothing to do with large amounts of information. Which by the way, I don't think anything she said would happen has come to pass. As somebody who was adventist for 10 years, I feel like I was purchasing a counterfeit diamond. This is an excellent series, have you thought about doing any work on the Clear Word? It is often defended, claiming it's a "paraphrase", not a version, but it's sold all over the country as a "version" at the adventist book center.
Great work, keep telling the truth 👏
Thank you for all the research and hard work -at 8.58 Willie White's letter,here we have it right out of the horse's mouth ,Ellen White copied from other authors but claimed that God gave her inspiration EGW -a lying and false prophet-thanks also for all the links
"if you put mustard on ur childs veggie hotdog to enhance the flavor, you're causing them to sin against God......repented of using mustard" DUDE I JUST LOST IT THERE LMAO. God Bless you my brother! LOVE the videos! waiting for Part 5
I almost took that part out because it sounded so ridiculous. However, a friend encouraged me to keep it in. It certainly does highlight the absurdity doesn't it? Part 5 is coming along well--50 minutes long.
@@TesttheProphet it sounded ludicrous, like MUSTARD?! wow. Thank goodness for your friend though 😆 and yeah, we're patiently waiting for the next part.
God Bless!
@@TesttheProphet. Why would you take it out? Do you want to be inadvertently responsible for us parents sending their children to hell?! My only hope, heretofore, is that we lower the lights while applying the mustard in the hope that their Guardian Angels won’t be able to see the crime.
We have no clue which church to attend. Every day some religion is being debunked. I’m tired of searching.
Lmaooo same here
Pray and Stay in the word with your family daily
Do Bible studies with your loved ones consistently
That’s the most important church
@@EnterTainment-vv1qs Thanks I agree.
Just trust Jesus and read your bible.
Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest
@@k3630 True I hear ya. Some religions go door to door teaching the Word.
What happened to "Thou shall not steal"?
Or is it only the 4th commandment that is going to get us into heaven🤔
As I was talking with an elder from the sda church to have my membership taken off their books, one of many reasons I gave him was her additions to the laws of God. He asked what additions and I gave him an example of the health reform laws adding to the dietary laws, he said well those are not sins like the breaking of the moral law and I quoted him egw saying that they are one and the same............
What did he say next?
@@TesttheProphet nothing of substance after that. I went on the give other reasons.
@@SolaScriptura21. SDAs are spoonfed the dogma which is handed down from the hierarchy which repeatedly coats their thin understandings of their “prophet”. They are taught to never question their “prophet”, her teachings, or her writings. From this they develop the worst case of cognizant dissonance, denying any and all facts which run contrary to the pristine narrative of their cult leader.
When presented with an alternate reality, no matter how factual, the response will typically be a “word salad”, worthy of any modern politician.
WHY DIDN'T THE ANGEL GUIDE HER ABOUT PLAGIARISM?
I have now watched all your videos 4 times, it’s so much info to take in,that I might have to watch it again.
Thank you so much for the great work, hope to see the next video soon.
🙏🏻
Thank you for providing such clear proof. Much appreciated. God bless your work.Amen.
A very detailed, comprehensive and systematic series. I am currently an Adventist with the same concerns that keep nagging on me about the credibility of EGW. Your videos are absolutely helpful in presenting the questionability of this self-proclaimed prophetess. I hope you'll do more. Probably the very doctrines of the SDA, since a lot of it are deeply rooted from White.
More to follow this year. I've been enjoying a break from RUclips.
@@TesttheProphet Looking forward. God bless!
P.S. Your editing skills are neat!
Please do more. Your presentation is done well and easy to follow. Being a former 4 generation sda, I had to study my way out and had I seen your work back then would have made it easier. I have just been in conversation with the current first sda Pastor in Nashville TN and even though he wrote a book on grace he still plays dumb on some scriptures or acts as if they don't exist. Many seem to be trying to push Ellen out of the conversation as if they don't know who she is or know her writings. I will be pushing your work and site to all the Adventist I can. Now that I am considered a black sheep. My heart is to see as many be set free and know Jesus Christ in a personal relationship and the complete work of the cross. Thank you again. Your brother in Christ in Nashville praying for you to not tire of your mission. Happy Resurrection Day
It is a sad reality that many people in the church call themselves Adventist and yet claim to not believe everything the church teaches. Then why be an Adventist? There are many churches out there. I have been around the block for more than 30 years and those who believe as you do do so so because they have not taken the time to read her writings, so as to get context, thus you don't know what you believe and why you believe it.
@@mediqponky If I hadn't been born in the SDA, I wouldn't be one. But I love the church and I want her to come to the full harmony of the Scriptures. So I study, and pray that the Holy Spirit guides them to discern.
Apparently Adventists fully understood Plagiarism - yet excuse EGW for doing just that -
From "Questions on the Sanctuary and on Ellen White":
“A plagiarist is one who pretends to have written an original article, but who has borrowed it-perhaps STOLEN would be a more appropriate word-FROM ANOTHER PERSON. Some people who would think it A GREAT SIN to steal a bushel of apples or a dollar in money, have little hesitation to STEAL THE WRITTEN THOUGHTS AND EXPRESSIONS OF OTHERS and then palm them off as THEIR OWN. SUCH PERSONS NEED TO HAVE THEIR MORAL SENSES SHARPENED, so that they shall realize that it is as TRULY A THEFT to steal an article from a BOOK or PAPER and send it to the press as original, as it is to steal anything else.” {QSEW 65.6}
* From Adventist Review and Herald Vol xxiv - Quote:"Plagiarism - This is a word used to signify 'LITERARY THEFT', or taking the production of another and passing them off as one's own... We are perfectly willing that pieces of the Review, or any of our books should be published to any extent, and all we ask is, that simple JUSTICE be done us, by DUE CREDIT BEING GIVEN." - Uriah Smith
In regards to the amount or what we eat having to do with the 10 commandments, 1 Timothy 4:1 starts with talking about doctrines of devils, and forbidding certain foods that should be received with Thanksgiving. I think it's more important that we feed the hungry, and refusing to help somebody when we are able to help them has a lot more to do with morals than having a cup of tea. Not to mention, Jesus ate fish. He preached about feeding the hungry, but I don't know any sermon about not putting salt on your food (if salt is a condiment)
Question for SDAs: Presumably you believe that, as asserted in SDA Fundament Belief 24, "In 1844 . . . [Christ] entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry . . ." Is your belief in a "second and last phase of [Christ's] atoning ministry" based on scripture or on an extra-scriptural source of information?
They got the day is as a year quite messed up
Think they got the sanctuary doctrine from Croziere. He recanted sometime later but the damage had already been done.
@@matthewtoves8919 Close. The day after “The Great Disappointment” of October 22, 1844, Hiram Edson, while hiding in a field of corn shocks to avoid public humiliation, (conveniently) had a vision that the Millerites in fact had the day correct, but had the activity wrong: Jesus was not to come back to earth; instead He moved to the inner apartment of the Holy Sanctuary in heaven.
Edson communicated this to O. R. L. Crosier, who published it in his DayStar newsletter a couple years later. Young Ellen, around 1848, had a vision of her own, confirming Edson’s vision. People were grasping for some reason to explain their error, and the “Little Flock” was born.
A superb book on the subject is Steve Daily’s “Ellen G. White, a Psychobiography”.
What vision was the Angel Explaining to prophet Daniel in Daniel 9 in response to Daniel Prayer? Was it not the vision of Daniel 8 of the evenings and mornings?
Was was the vision of Daniel 8 about, was it not about the Sanctuary being trampled and when it would be cleansed? Was not Daniel told that that vision would be not for his time but for many days?
What does the book of Hebrews say?
Where did Jesus go into when he ascended? (Heb 8,9)
Where is he ministering?
Is it not in heaven, in the temple made without hands?
In Daniel 7:10-14 (after the period of dominance of the little horn)
Do you see a court being seated and books being opened? Is that not a judgement scene in the throne room? being Witnessed by the Angels(heavenly beings)
Who comes to the Father when this judgement begins? Is it not one like the son of man (Jesus)?
Why does he come?
Is it not to receive his kingdom?
Is this all happening on earth or in heaven?
Where is God’s throne?
Is it not in heaven?
Who makes up the kingdom that Jesus receives?
Is it not the saints of the most high Daniel 7:26,27
Is not Jesus currently determining who will make up his kingdom by reviewing the books spoke of in Daniel 7:10?
It is all in the Bible.
Do not be distracted by those who recanted or defected. The truth of God’s Word withstands scrutiny.
@@joserosado7560 Cult stupidity is unlike any other stupidity. 2300 Evening-Morning Sacrifices = 1150 days
A thought that came to mind is that God could have created us with any drive to eat for survival, yet he chose to place tastebuds in our tongues. She was clearly not only a plagiarist, but and extremest.
On another note, do you think she could have been inspired enough to warn the church about how harmful meat replacements are, especially those that use gluten? I mean she saw the future, right?
Mark 4:22 and Luke 8:17 speak of Ellen. What she did had been exposed, and she wasn't right for it.
Thank you for your devotion and work. It's exactly what I was looking for lately. I'm not an sda, but almost became one and was already polluted by egw false ideas.
Thanks, Laura.
This are the words of our Lord: Matt 15,11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
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Mark 7:18-23
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
That's the best documentation I ever found on internet about Ellen White mistakes!!!!!! Thanks God!! God bless you brother!!!
P.S.: I'm an adventist. But I don't believe in many things adventism teaches.
Dear Welder, please tell me why the SDA'S hospitals perform abortions , for any reason . Don't they know they are breaking the commandment of " thou shall not kill' ? God created the babies and intended for them to live. Strange for a group of people that adhere strongly to the 10 commandments. IAM not Catholic but at least they hate abortion. They know it is murder. I await a comment from you. Thanks.
What then call yourself an Adventist? Why are you an Adventist?
@@mediqponky if you agree 100% with any church's doctrines and teachings let me tell you that you are a lamb and not a pastor. There is no perfect church out there.
@@iguanapoolservice1461 ok. Yes, no church is perfect because there are people there. You are correct. However, the Bible is 100% trustworthy and people need to attend a church that teaches and preaches the word of God. If you don't think the Adventist Church is that church, you should go to one that does.
@@mediqponky you said it right. No church out there has the absolute truth. So there is no church out there that aligns perfectly with the bible, not the adventist church either. So we have to find the closest thing to it. I'm still searching.
Great content! Thank you so much for the time and effort you have put into all this. I have a question. My wife has been reading some of Charlotte Mason’s work on Education and found that it’s very similar to Ellen’s book “Education.” Have you done any research in that area?
Wow, great work. I didn't know of the sheer amount of evidence that disproves Ellen's writings are divinely inspired. As a past adventist all I ever heard was how great she was and how she was the last prophet. I am planning on showing this to my family members at some point, I'm sure they will try to deny it but the evidence speaks clearly for itself.
If your family members were in the church in the 70's-80's then they are probably familiar with the church's defense regarding her plagiarism. I am working through their defenses as I go along in these videos, and I plan to dedicate one or two videos to their claims in the future. I say this so that you will not be shocked when they confidently claim none of this is an issue based on what the church has told them. Good luck.
@@TesttheProphet They converted pretty early so I wouldn't be surprised if they were to deny the whole thing. I looked at the response the church put out but saying she only used other material to enrich her own is a very slimy way of squirming out of the fact that she would take almost word for word what other people wrote, that is plagiarism not borrowing. Also, there is a section in the church's website that has the amount of lines that have a parallel to other books but they mention how the total amount does not represent the total extent of her literary "borrowing" so who knows what the total really is and even if they are accurately presenting the total.
Looking forward to that next video.
Yeah, the church uses many different arguments to attempt to explain away the issue AFTER she was caught. The truth is, Ellen did not let people know what she was up to and thus their explanations fall short for many reasons. I do hope your family will watch the videos. There is nothing better than seeing it with your own eyes.
I think when you start showing your family all of this evidence against EGW, 2 things will happen..First is total shock that you are even talking this way about EGW..
Then a total shutdown of themselfs in regards to even listening to you at all..It will be equivalent to talking to a brick wall..
Believe me..2.5 years of trying to show all of this to my ex wife (she was born into the organization) and nothing I said or showed meant anything to her.. It is so hard to describe, but when speak to a person and you know that nothing you say is being heard..
So be ready for it..
@@TesttheProphet I came into the SDA church because of what I found in the Bible in regards to the Sabbath, the clean and unclean animals and the state of the dead. I had no idea that Ellen White was so important and I could never do enough brain gymnastics to understand how Daniel’s prophecy proved true the “Investigative Judgement”. I tried to just be ignorant and go on reading her books “because they are so useful”.
One day I thought it would be good to study on my own the letter to the Hebrews. After reading, I became more hopeful in the sacrifice of Jesus for me, and more and more confident in His salvation by faith in Him. I started to ask questions. Why should I believe that this person was a prophet and believe this impossible doctrine without checking things out?
So here I am…
There are many people like me that go to the Adventist church without believing that EGW is a prophet.
Thank you for your research and the time you put into making and editing all these videos. I've been doing my own research for a few years now and I'm shocked about what I've found. May the Holy spirit lead us all into truth.
Great video bro stay prayed up as you do this .
Thank you for doing this! You are very thorough! It would be great if you could do a similar investigation on the concept and word "church." The word translated in most Bibles in Matthew 16:18 is the word church but the original manuscripts contain the Koine Greek word Ekklessia that does not translate into church but rather into Congregation or Assembly. Church comes from kuriakon, kirche, kirk, cirice...to name a few root words from different languages. The concept of church is also different from the non-hierarchical, non-authoritarian and non capital-intensive Ekklesia/Assembly that we see in the New Testament after Pentecost. Those are some of the things that I've learned but I know that you could do a more detailed investigation of this subject. Thank you and may the LORD Bless you!
A good source is, "Authority of the Christian Leader" by Darius Jankiewicz.
Another good source is, "ORDINATION - PART 3 - HISTORY" also by Darius Jankiewicz. (Please see "The History of The Pastor" section.)
Thank you. Ellen White will keep me busy for a while. However, I will make a note of this.
@@TesttheProphet And your time is being well spent! I understand. Thanks for the reply and thanks for considering! Thanks again for the research you are doing on Ellen White!
@@chucksmith4624 True.
@@chucksmith4624 SDA's have to unlearn a lot but all churches must unlearn the church system and understand YESHUA'S Ekklesia/Assembly.
We were taught that egw wasn’t highly educated, that she was virtually illiterate and the fact that she wrote so much proved that she was a prophet yet here we are finding that she had a library and that she “borrowed” or was “inspired” to use other peoples work (and that she had a staff putting works together for her) the legal question aside one has to question the integrity of someone who uses other publications and passes it off as their own and especially when large sums of money are involved.
I have to wonder what the outcome for the denomination would have been if they had put included a bibliography in the back of the books.
The books would probably not sell as well if they were footnoted--they would lose their luster of intrigue from claims of being supernaturally germinated by a self proclaimed "sickly" 19th century woman.
@YAJUN YUAN No major mistakes? Eating meat has never caused me to have sex. Drinking coffee or tea has never caused my lips to "loosen" to commit gossip.
@@TesttheProphet ZING!!!!! Good one ~~~
@@TesttheProphet I really must quit thinking that I've heard it all.... Didn't Ellie have "a servant possibly from India, that seems to remind me of Queen Victoria ~ Ellie, it has been reported, had a large airy pleasant bedroom, while James White had a cot in a closet. But then again, they were apart so much of the time, it may not have been of any consequences. I have read that James was never a pleasant human, and that a series of strokes just made it worse. To my mind, those 'wounds" inflicted by abusing the spiritual and emotional essence of an especially impressionable younger lady, or one under regular hormone swings from pregnancy and postpartum episodes....
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Roman 10:9-10
Nothing here saying my treat of a cup of tea and piece of chocolate keeping me from my Salvation.
It’s one thing to be healthy in respect for our body as a temple to Christ but to say it is a requirement for Salvation is Biblical incorrect.
It’s the lack of integrity and honesty that disturbs me.
The problem is…so much of her writings and influence are foundational to the Adventist church. Without the this the ‘house of cards’ would fall.
So sad 😞
This work she did is still massive of great help, most of us would never have come across these (copied) sources, maybe thats plagiarism but they have not been so far as i have seen against the bible. Maybe she should have qouted, but also it could be that its good that we read them and they have been helpful, however i am still waiting for the test against the bible. They go no against the teaching of the bible at least so far that i know. To the law and to the Testimony if they speak not accoridng the bible(teach anything away from the bible) it is because their is no truth in them. Moving on to the next video
I’m greatly concerned about Ellen G. Whites influence in the food industry; meat is bad, meat causes cancer, etc.
Last seconds of the video: “I encourage you to discuss these topics with your family during this holiday season”. That will be a lively discussion if not completely shut down from the start.
I haven’t seen all the videos yet, but the content if very diligent.
Can I ask you, if you remain Adventist after these discoveries? If so, what is your rational? I am asking these questions regarding myself.
I couldn’t stop watching this series because I enjoyed it so much. You are thorough and summative. Immediately I had to subscribe. Looking forward to future videos.
Hello Test the Prophet, I was meaning to ask because at the end of the video it was said that the first four chapters of an EGW was 90-95% similar to another book. I wanted to ask which exact book and volume was the book of Ellen and which book should I compare it with to know the similarities. Thank you. Cuz I'm still confused😂😅
Walter Rae's book "The White Lie" is a well documented work on the plagerism/stealing habits of EGW.
Hi Stephen, these two books were discussed:
1. The first 4 chapters of The Spirit of Prophecy Volume 1 by Ellen White (1870)
2. Paradise Lost by John Milton (1667)
@@TesttheProphet Oh alright thank you so much. Now let me check if there is a pdf online or something like that😅
@@TesttheProphet Hmmm, I recently listened to a video about the concept found in the controversy by Coleen Tinker when EGW said that the Law which in Adventism is always limited to the 10 Commandments because it was written on Stone rather than what the Bible has already defined what The Law is, was Eternal from Heaven with Satan/Lucifer showing how he broke it and Jesus basically came to vindicate The Law by teaching us how we mankind too can keep it... Yh, basically I was hoping if you found out that concept was also plagiarised from another book or if it is in John Milton's book on any page elsewhere. The thing is nowadays I am busy so I can't do as much research I wanted to but this concept would be a secret weapon for me to refute someone I have been showing these videos to so he would come to knowledge of the truth.
Thanks.
@@TesttheProphetmerci pour votre travail de qualité
Why would she not have thought these “similarities” to put it nicely would eventually surface and cause her integrity as a prophet to be questioned? What were her motives…? Simply a liar, or just plain crazy? Or would it have been a money scheme, a prophet for profit, if you will?
Kristy, that is the million-dollar question. Perhaps she did not believe anyone would find out? EGW is a complex figure that many of us are trying to understand.
In her letter to Fanny Bolton she didn't say that Fanny told to others that she (EW) was taking from others, but that everyone now THINKS that it is the truth. That doesn't leave an impression to me that she REALLY did that.
If her writing was inspired by God there must be some signs from heaven or from God to protect his massages through the church visionary.
I recently attended an SDA meeting called "Studying Ellen White", a presentation by a doctor who has studied her extensively. At one point he told a story about how Ellen wrote letters to a friend that gave evidence to her marital issues with James and then subsequently advised her friend, in a later letter, to burn the previous letters. This doctor included this story as an example of Ellen White's humanity and that she had her struggles in life, as we all do. All I could get out of the story was a sickening sense of her deceitfulness and desire to make sure nobody would ever witness the things about herself that she didn't want them to know. I thought I couldn't dislike her more, but after watching all five parts of this series you have so thoroughly presented, I now find her a thoroughly detestable figure.
The real dilemma is figuring out where to worship now that some of my SDA pillars are crumbling and others remain.
No need to distress because the Scriptures state the time is coming when you will not worship Yah in this mountain or at Jerusalem but will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. You are the temple made without hands and as this reality sinks in and we see what our responsibility is to Yah, He will begin to gather us together as He promised and bring us into fellowship with one another.
Yes I found it disturbing how she claimed in certain instances to have a vision or some new insight into whatever subject she was writing on, however, she was gathering ideas from others and then passing them off as her own, or from God.
But unless someone shows you the evidence to the contrary, how would you ever know? She didn't announce what she was doing.
@@Itching2bfree Thank our God you found truth , I would like to recommend a wonderful Bible only church you could try Calvary chapel near you
I have watched this video because a friend I appreciate asked me to watch them.
I may be wrong about this but I can sense some
resentment on the part of the author.
I grew up as an SDA but was quite worldly minded and rebellious. When I was young EGW books were frequently used to smack church members on the head and point out their wrongs. Clearly this strategy would win her many enemies.
I never read her books for myself. Then I found a book in our library by Rene Noorbergen called EGW the Prophet of destiny where he mentioned how EGW was given a vision of the destruction of San Francisco in 1905 a few days before it happened.
Additionally, in that book he went over the biblical test of a true prophet, which she met.
The book made an impression on me, nevertheless I did not read her books very much, I continued my pursuit of pleasure and worldly ambition.
Years later when I was going through a very difficult time, the Holy Spirit spoke to me through a pastor who was preaching about how Jesus was the friend of young people, how he yearned to have a personal relationship with each of us. That was what I needed to hear during those dark days. By God’s providence I was led to study the gospels. I would read certain chapters in the gospels and then I would read the chapter of the Desire of Ages related to those Bible chapters. The Bible became alive to me. For the first time I began to see Jesus as a personal friend, full of grace and truth as John says. It was then that gradually my worldly heart was melted by the power of his love and His Spirit revealed to me the need of a savior. My sin and selfishness were revealed to me and I clearly understood that it was my sin that nailed Jesus to the cross.
I gave my heart to Jesus and surrendered my life to him. The result was receiving peace and joy I had never experienced!
No matter what was happening around me, my peace and joy could not be disturbed! I cannot explain the great joy and peace I had any other way but to say that Jesus was real to me and he was giving me His Holy Spirit. I had been born into the kingdom of heaven.
Since then, the writings of EGW have always been a source of
comfort and direction.
I have always received a blessing when reading them in the light of God’s Word.
I would encourage anyone who watched this videos to be fair and test to see if EGW writings agree with the Holy Scriptures. Do not allow anybody to do the judging for you. The Holy Spirit is on your side.
John told us: Test the Spirits to see if they are from God.
Test them does not mean, see if the give credit to their sources, it means test to see if they agree with the Word of God, if they lead to Jesus and exalt Jesus, if they edify the church if they do not excuse sin. Judge her by the fruit of her life of service to God and man. That is what the Bible says constitutes a true prophet. Test the prophet with the tests the Bible lays out, not with non-biblical tests.
Amen my brother amen! ❤
Let them keep on, only 8 when into the Ark.
They think satan is playing Dolly House! No, he playing for keeps!
Many people have criticize her writng.why God does not send any angle from heaven to protect EGW writing as He (God) has done to mother of Jesus. People criticize Mother Mary but She appeared to the world to proved them wrong..
That's make sitting on the fance.
Catholic cult fighting the SDA cult lol😆
Any more videos coming?
More to follow this year. I've been enjoying a break.
Great Job!
This was the most in depth look at EG White’s testimonies & letters. Truth & untruth blended together. I left the SDA faith many years ago as I was uncomfortable with their teachings.
U were uncomfortable with their teachings? So u expect the teachings of the Bible to make you comfortable?🤷♂️
The Holy Spirit often gives us a "nudge" to let us know when, something is wrong. This "nudge" can come in the form of a discomfort we sometimes can't even explain.
I can't thank you enough for this. I've been married to a multi-gen on both sides Adventist who fell away for many years and has been coming back to the "faith" over the last many years by watching Adventist pastors on youtube. But we don't go to any church (I was raised in the Mormon church by adult convert parents, but all of my family stopped going about the time I started college. I stopped on my own, grew far from God and came back to him through the Bible and consider myself a non-denominational Christian), and I don't allow my children to be taught any unique Adventist beliefs, except for my husband's insistence on strict Saturday Sabbath keeping. I thought our beliefs could live side by side until many things came to light to me over the last few months about his beliefs, as well as the fact that we have very little faith community life and our oldest kids are teens, and I want more for them. But obviously not Adventism. And for my husband, obviously not Christianity (can I put an lol here?).
Anyways, I started looking for sources several weeks ago, and I haven't been able to do anything but watch videos and read books about this since. I always knew, and told my husband, that much of his theology isn't Biblical, and also many of his ideas about other Christians and our beliefs are also incorrect, but I know you know that to say I HAD NO IDEA how deep and heretical and even, I'll say it, Satanic it all is would be the understatement of the year.
Anyways, many great sources, like Answering Adventism, which I LOVE, are a bit harsh perhaps, for total Ellen believers. So I got my husband to agree to watch some things with me last Saturday and I was going to show him one of AA's videos when I was led to your series instead. I had seen part 5 on the AA channel, but not 1-4, which are the ones we watched. I just knew that your calm, humble style would get through to him better at this time. I literally took us hours to get through parts 1-3, because he had to pause it every few minutes to reflexively defend Ellen and it led to quite a bit of spirited argument, much of which was me begging him just to be quiet and listen. But I will tell you, that here in part 4 there was hardly any pausing at all, and when it ended, he was literally speechless. He had literally never learned this before, and was clearly somewhat shocked by it. When he got his tongue back, he said he'd have to look into it more, and put up several weak arguments that I now realize are the indoctrination lines on the subject, and said he still thought her message was correct. BUT, I see that this video was the foot in the door! That little crack that I needed, to get him past his ingrained indoctrinated belief that he shouldn't even question the unquestionable voice of God. And now the door is open for me to present him with more. This is huge.
I also found a PDF of Steve Daily's Psychobiography of Ellen, which I had seen you recommend to another commenter, and could not do anything else until I finished reading it, once I had started. Super excellent read, and is available free on the web. I am still reeling from everything I am learning, and it just keeps going. I am praying hard that my husband will see the light one day, sooner than later. I just want to thank you for your great contribution to the cause, and congratulate you for having the courage and integrity to seek the truth and to follow it where it lead, no matter how hard it was. With my background in Mormonism, I know what that means.
Thank you for your comment! I sent up a prayer for your husband.
I’ll be touching more on various modes of defenses the church use for this topic that he may bring up. After looking into many of these they break down when cross examined with history and evidence. I will release them when ready.
God bless you.
@@TesttheProphet Thank you for your prayers. That really touches my heart.
Very good movie. I still waiting when polish people will make up watching previous one before translating this huge one. Thank you, God bless you.
Thank you, Beniamin.
@@TesttheProphet I am doing polish lector now to first parts.
From the April 2019 edition of Ministry Magazine:
"The Seventh-day Adventist Church is losing members at an alarming rate. Even though the evangelism in our churches is winning people, we lose about 49 of every 100 baptized. This hemorrhaging of our members cannot continue. It is expected to get worse, especially in countries where soul winning is difficult; and if it continues, entire conferences maybe closed for lack of members."
Think about that -- 49%. That's essentially half of all members leaving.
I would be very interested in seeing the numbers for 2020-2021 (unreleased). COVID hit the church hard, and I know many who left during that time.
@@TesttheProphet There is a video that came out just a few days ago here on RUclips entitled "Dr. John Rosier. Part 1. The Sunday Law that Never was" put out by Christian Scholars Forum C.S.F, (apparently a group made up of largely of either Adventist reformers or former SDAs). In the Q & A section a participant discusses how she began to read the Bible for herself during the lockdown and now is almost embarrassed to call herself an Adventist. Another mentions how he had only read the Bible through the filter of the Sabbath quarterly. I think you'll find it an interesting video which even opens with a discussion of cognitive dissonance and bringing in our own presuppositions.
I am looking forward to your next installment. Many blessings to you.
Thank you for the recommendation.
I am one of them. I was a graduate in our University in the Philippines. I had been a missionary in Korea, Thailand, and even in the jungles of Mindanao. But when I learned of EGW's copying of others works and claimed them as hers from vision, I stop attending the SDA Church. Now the Church where I attended had only about 4 families left. Before there were hundreds who were baptized. But they now attend to evangelical churches.
@@savebygrace5140 Glad to hear you came out of the SDA denomination.
Most SDA "missionaries" I know have all been either "medical missionaries" or taught English abroad. So it appears to me that the SDA definition of missionary is generally quite different from the traditional one where the missionary is set on a mission to make converts to their faith.
Removing the background music removed its argumentative force... just saying
Your videos are so well done, thorough, clear, honest. Thank you for this. It means more than you know.
I listened to most of this series. Pretty impressive work. I'll definitely be promoting this series
Thank you for your recommendation of this
@@BeingRefined glad you liked it
I believe that eating too much he connected to the one of the biggest sin, glathony. But I feel so sorry for so many millions adventists who for generations lives by some "heath message", which is made 150 years ago....
Thank you for your very important research. The sda church is growing at an alarming rate, that should be of considerable consern to any Christian, especially those who hold any position of importance in the Christian churches, otherwise they are not worth their salt and should step away from the positions they claim to uphold. Ellen's writing's are theft at best, but seen as she claims that her words are directly form God, it is BLASPHEMY!
As I read the wrtings of EG white, I can’t help but be amazed at the wisdom of her wrtings given her low formal education. How she was able to quote or copy others works which are now found and proven to be true, especially those which pertain to health, shows that she was guided by a supernatural power.
@solomoncruz6367 Rubbish: . She was able to write what she did because she copied, and even the people she copied from got it wrong a lot of the time.
She also had two assistants who did most of her editing .
She had a vision where she saw tall people living on Jupiter🤔🤔🤪. Come on, really? Jupiter cannot sustain life. And do you think that God showed her things that were a lie!
You really need to LISTEN to what's being said in these videos .
I can’t find the interview with dr Fortin anywhere online anymore. Can somebody share a link if you have it?
Check the SDAQA Facebook group.
It takes real talent to fail the test of the religion that EGW founded herself.
so if not adventist then , does the sabbath still stand and If i come out of the SDA church which church denomination would be better
You must repent and become reconciled with God through the genuine gospel message. There’s no chance you heard the true gospel
through the Adventist demonic cult.
Finding a good fellowship with a real pastor/ teacher is not as important as your own personal relationship with Jesus. Finding a good “ church” to attend is not the end all and be all of your life. Jesus is the substance of the new covenant. Becoming a new creation in Christ is what Christianity is all about.
God placed a shadow law precisely in the center of the Decalogue. Shabbat was a temporary shadow cast by the substance; Jesus of Nazareth. The shadow is gone.
I wonder how many of those in here have taking the time to read her writings on context. It's easy to criticize egw when all you do is listen to those who once called themselves Adventists but never spent time on God's word or read her writings. If I was a betting man, I would bet that many if not all have not read her writings with a bible on hand. Perhaps that's where you should start
Reading the Bible confirms what is said here. You are a typical SDA defender of a liar.
HOW MUCH EGW EARNED PER BOOK SOLD?
Advent defense league channel on RUclips claims to debunk your videos here.
I watched some of and it was horribly done. All it did was make excuses for her "borrowing".
Oh, wow! So indepth; I love it! I enjoyed listening to this vid - my first. You bet, I'll be checking out the previous ones - and follow ups. I like the tonal quality of your voice, which I find works perfectly with your work here 👍🏾.
I have read some of EGW'S work; about the claims of plagiarism - and those refuting it, for obvious reasons - and the influence she's had on Her church, from its beginning till now. She struck me as a master manipulator (mistress, in that case 😁), dictatorial, and controlling, and I likened her to Hitler, whose modus operandi was fear through brainwashing, violence, etc. EGW'S MO was directly opposite, in relation to violence; she used the "love of God," but FEAR was the foundation: Fear of God, based on people's ignorance and inability to understand the Word of God, at that time - and even now for those who have been indoctrinated/brainwashed by her teachings and suckered into Adventism.
This vid, with its well researched content - I mean, you got the "thumbs up " from Peter 😃 - has served to deepen my conviction. It has also emboldened me into posting on Adventism on my Fb page, where it seemed, I've started a flurry of comments and questions from an Adventist friend - in private, of course, when I posted a conversation I'd overheard coming from an Adventist regarding Christmas, and how God was "against" the putting up of Christmas trees - and that it was "in the Bible!" I did it for pure amusement but it has developed into a smoldering fire, when in subsequent discussions, he alluded to her being the "lesser light," and that he, "hopes that the Holy Spirit will lead me to the Truth and that when I see it, I will accept it!" Oh, boy! That smoldering fire has developed into a full blown flame right now 😃....When and if I do quote you - as I probably will - be sure that I'll give due credit 😆. Thanks for this addition to my current arsenal! 🤣...Blessings! 🙏🏾
Who owns truth?
45:00m it appears that Ellen used a dowsing technique - perhaps better than my own. But for example, twice within a span of 5 minutes I went from a grand question of great importance to finding the exact text I needed in the Bible. And this was in fact prophetic and delivered me from the random void of impending destruction ("scheduled entropy") just in time, and literally by divine intervention. And have come to understand that gift quite well because I am a competent theorist in quantum intelligence. I am also able to very very competently dowse books and know what I will see and understand in detail and depth, literally what I will read on a given page - before I open the book. Maybe I should write a book and title it "Call me Ellen?" Fortune cookies time after a meal at the buffet is always fun. Parking spaces - if I'm not too distracted - is 100% "that car, in the next minute." Seriously. This is probably quite normal for someone with some talent and quite a lot of study and practice. And need. Faith is also a given, that God and his emanations literally exist. Christianity is not the first to believe this wholly. What I describe is a minor miracle of time travel and entanglement - it's really not unusual. In fact it is the default, operating continually under the layers of consciousness. It's how everything works - you know, like the Gospel of John 1:1. The Purpose of God in the world manifesting through the Logos, at least at the greater end, is superior to any other form of divination. This is the comprehension of God speaking.
But this leaves the controversy - doesn't it? As these books and this talent and skill is not as claimed to the rank and file. It is, you must admit, quite a clever deception - and I am wondering about whether it was "authorized" or not for the greatness that came from it (glory of the fruit)? I don't know the answer - but I think that's the right question here. I believe in greater and lesser gifts and their expression and glory & purpose. Ellen evidently did too.
Here come the judges.
RUclips.com/@REVV19
An amazing video idea would be examining the plagiarism of Ellen white when she is supposedly directly (in parenthesis) quoting God or an angel and even that is direct plagiarize.
I know this video is about 2years old, but 2 points of contention for me that I want to share.
First I grew up in a colporteur/literature evangelist household. The amount of testimonials from men women boys and girls coming into the seventh Day Adventist faith, by the evangelism done by my household is more than I can count. Do you think those personal testimonies contradicts egw status as a prophet in any way?
Second question. Can a church love God and bear a false prophet simultaneously?
My biblical reference is revelation 2:20.
When I think of the evidence of egw as a false prophet I think of the above verse in Revelation referencing Jezebel the false prophet.
Yes, many muslims love the idea of GOD IMMENSELY, They will blow themselves up for him However Muhammad is not a true prophet and Allah is a demonic evil spirit
Great research
Very well presented. An eye opener indeed. Thank you and God bless you.
Once more thank you sooo much, for your research. I am grateful. God bless you!
Your videos are thorough. I don’t know how to label myself right now as anything other than an Adventist in doctrine, but not in organization/culture (I have not attended a church building for years and, as of late, have been attending a non-denominational church). Allowing myself to even click on videos like this kind of scares me, as one year ago I would have avoided these videos at all costs, not allowing even a sliver of doubt in EGW or Adventism to be introduced into my head, for fear of turning against God and being lost. But, as I journey through my adult years, I have experienced many emotional and spiritual pains and have realized the importance of truly knowing my faith for myself. So, I’m researching. A LOT. So much so, that it has taken up the majority of the past few days. I barely have any attention span for videos of this length, but I have been listening pretty intently all the way through this series so far. One question arises in my mind more boldly than others as I listen, and I would really appreciate it if you could give me your answer:
On the subject of plagiarism, we can see that Ellen in fact did pull ideas from other sources that were in print before her books were. That is becoming more clear to me. However, your immediate conclusion is that, in light of this, she is a liar and someone with malicious intent. My question is, why isn’t it considered that perhaps her inspiration from the Holy Spirit WAS finding the gems of truth in all the muddy water surrounding Adventism, and have any of the accounts of people on the receiving ends of her prophetic letters (where she says she was able to hear their dinner table conversations) been found/looked into to see if she indeed heard what was being said?
I suppose that is two questions and I don’t have the time to look over my comment for any errors in thought process as my violin student just walked in, but I appreciate your time and I look forward to finishing this series.
Hi Emily,
Thanks for dropping by and leaving your message. I completely relate to what you have said about realizing the importance of truly knowing one’s faith for themselves. This is part of the reason I began my own studies, and this channel is slowly catching up to what I have discovered. I know some of these early videos could be finessed more in argumentation, and certainly I do not claim to be omniscient. Trust me, it was truly difficult to consider Ellen may not be who she claimed to be just as difficult as it was you to click on this video.
As to your question “why isn’t it considered that perhaps her inspiration from the Holy Spirit WAS finding the gems of truth in all the muddy water surrounding Adventism, and have any of the accounts of people on the receiving ends of her prophetic letters (where she says she was able to hear their dinner table conversations) been found/looked into to see if she indeed heard what was being said?”
1. I believe one must remember the framework for what she claimed. She was low educated; she was injured; she had many visions and dreams that unlocked the scriptures for her. She claimed the Holy Spirit helped her in writing her books. She commanded that people respect her, purchase her books, and obey the light she was given. She, as a woman in the 19th century had no respect and was in no place to write what she did. So at the fundamentals, these are grandiose claims. I see you play violin. Imagine a young person presents an orchestral score and claims to have generated it with the help from heaven. Then upon closer inspection you find Shostakovitch, Tchaikovsky, and perhaps Mussorgsky within the score. Does it make it more concerning if this young composer claims to have had supernatural help in this feat, or if they are a professional that claims to be using motives from other composers to write their symphony? Could someone use another's material to pretend to be someone they are not?
Now in regards to the gems of truth argument. She did not publicly claim that she gathered gems of truth from other authors to use in her books. If you know of otherwise, please let me know. When she used that phrase, it was in reference to the lost doctrines that she stated were now being rescued and being returned to the church. I will have a video on “gems” at a later date. The example in this video regarding gems of truth she did not want people to know she was using, was published after her death by her son. As to whether the Holy Spirit told her to look in all these books is anyone’s guess. But to see more of the jigsaw and how the books were made does no harm.
2. As to what she heard/saw around the dinner table I do not know if anyone verified these. To me personally, she would have had to hear something quite specific, but again, angels evil or holy could also tell someone these things. Clairvoyance was very common during this time period.
I hope that has helped some. I will illustrate this better when the time comes. I am curious your thoughts on my 5th video as I think it illustrates well how she came up with her “testimonies”.
P.S. You play the violin well.
@@TesttheProphet Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. And thank you for your kind words about my violin playing! :)
I will definitely keep watching and let you know my thoughts on your 5th video when I get there. Talk soon!
I do not believe in Adventism and I think it's a false religion and a deception. However, if a message is significant and from God, it doesn't mean she can't plagiarize. The message can be from God but the precise words can be borrowed from any source?
no.
New sub. Just found this channel and cannot wait to watch all 5 parts !
Were you an adventist?
Born and raised.
A strange question! For who else otherwise would care to look into this issue that plagued Adventism?
congratulation
is this the reason why you are not showing your face?
Seems to me..you skewing he writings.. she didn't add or take anything away from scripture.. she's said clearly in her writings that scripture was above her writings.. Sunday still stands in your way.
Testimonies 5 pages 66. 67.
You ignore her writings, you are disobeying God. 😂
I am currently reading Desire of Ages and there are loads of things written in there that are not in the Bible... it's crazy how she expounds on a Bible story so extensively and makes one wonder what she got all of this info from.. I'm only on chapter 4 but ready to throw the book in the bin before it starts to pollute my mind... I think I will stick to my daily Bible study...
1:17:48 😂 “Food for worms…” ?! Hahaha, I see what you did there! Better food for worms than subjects of the seven last plagues, if you know what I mean! 😉 1T 131.3 if you want to be in on the failed-prophecy joke. 😂
I was beginning to think no one understood the reference!
Who is the presenter?
delusional paranoia, hallucination?
For me this is not a valid video, misinterpreting her books
May God help you to believe His prophets so that you shall be established
Testimonies v9 p11 - 9/11 event is a no child event
Either ways come out of Babylon and behold Christ and lose inside of self, Sunday law is coming
Thanks for stopping by.
Can you clarify your comment here: "Testimonies v9 p11 - 9/11 event is a no child event".
I have no idea what that means.
Wonder who she plagiarized that from.
Ahh yes, The Global Sunday law is right around the corner
I believe 100 percent that Ellen white was inspired by God. It doesn't matter what you say. I feel sad for you knowing you grew up in Adventist. God knows his own. Clearly you are quoting what suits your fancies. Just remember you are talking about GOD'S SERVANT.
I am quoting what suits my fancies? I have provided evidence. What have you provided other than an emotional response?
@@TesttheProphet Having listened to the four videos, I am impressed by both the reasoned arguments and the dignified approach you have used to point out errors. This is exemplary because you have not vilified Ellen White or Adventists in general. While I am not Adventist, I prefer that kind of spirit. You have adopted the biblical advice: "come and let us reason together." I feel that the atmosphere of any discourse is just as important as the content. Thank you, sir.
Vasti Rampersad Any persons who claim that EGW was inspired by God Donot have Bible knowledge EGW plagerised and said God gave her the inspirations ,she was a fraud and a false prophet
@@umabrijmohun6720 That Ellen White relied on other people's works seems undeniable. As a person, however, she was a sincere lover of Jesus and has provided vivid descriptions of the loveliness of Jesus. She has helped many people deepen their faith in Christ. In addition, she gave valuable encouragement to Adventists during their lowest point following the Great Disappointment. Justice demands we acknowledge her contributions.
Not every one who claims to be prophet is a prophet. For there are many false prophets in these last days. All evidence proves her one. You are free to hold to your opinions. No one forces you against that.
PSM 105:15 "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm"
So what happens if you do, did you not think about that before making this video?
How do you know she is anointed without testing her first? You've got it backwards.
A typical threatening from cultists. Sorry. I am not afraid to expose a clear fraudster
She is a false prophetess buddy, GROW UP!
Who cares if Ellen G White was or was not a prophet the real issue is this: is the true Sabbath The 7th Day or the 1st Day? What does the Sabbath Commandment actually say from the Biblical texts? If the Bible says the 7th Day is the Sabbath then the Adventists are correct if the Commandment says the 1st Day is the Sabbath then the Catholic Church is right. So the Bible says which? I know the answer do you? If you know do you still support the Catholic sabbath? If you don’t then why do you attend a non Catholic Church on the Catholic sabbath, (Sunday)???
The Sabbath is a red herring. It has nothing to do with Ellen Whites validity. If you want to claim Ellen was shown the 4th commandment in vision you run into further problems. Look at the end of my presentation on Answering Adventism.
Typical SDA members deflecting from the topic.
The questions of inspiration, infallibility, and authority ***must be addressed in the light of known literary borrowing.*** Space permits us to deal with these three areas only as they relate to Ellen White's use of sources. Following are some of the conclusions that are beginning to come into focus:
1. Inspiration is not be equated with originality.
2. Inspiration does not involve the dictation of divinely chosen words.
3. Inspiration is not diminished by the use of uninspired sources.
4. Inspiration is affected by outside human influences.
5. Inspiration goes beyond what has been presented in vision, and sometimes stands independent of visions.
6. Inspiration provides the narrative for those portions of visions that were symbolic or that lacked a narrative.
7. Inspiration must include divine guidance in the selection of sources.
***(Do you disagree with these 7 points? Why?)***
The question of infallibility versus fallibility in the inspired writings hinges upon one's concept of inspiration. If one is firmly convinced that the very words of God were dictated to the prophet, then the writings must be infallible because God never makes a mistake in what He says.
Ellen White avoids making such claims. "In regard to infallibility, I never claimed it; God alone is infallible. His word is true, and in Him is no variableness, or shadow of turning."-Selected Messages, book 1, p. 37.
Here is the link for further reading regarding what I've said here: www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1982/06/human-thoughts-or-divine-truths
Frazier, I see once again you are copy/pasting an article written to Adventist pastors by the legal counsel of the Adventist Church - Warren Johns. This is the same attorney from the General Conference who hired attorney Vincent Ramik to write his report in 1982 in response to The White Lie by Walter Rea that I covered in part 3. Of course, the questions that initially come to mind based on his 7 points are:
*I.* If Warren Johns believes those 7 points, why did he commission Vincent Ramik (to likely the tune of around ~$90,000 USD given the hours Ramik claims to have spent and the going rate of an attorney) to argue she did not commit plagiarism? If it is not an issue, because the Adventist church claims inspiration allows someone claiming to be a prophet free access to copy/steal whatever they want, why pay the legal fees? Why not utilize that money somewhere else? Why is this the chief defense on the White Estate's website?
*II.* Why did the General Conference commission the Veltman Report if plagiarism is not an issue? Why pay Veltman and his team for 8 years (likely $1,000,000 or more) using conference money to investigate her plagiarism if it is not an issue? Was it all for show? Were they hoping to find out that Rea was wrong?
*III.* The White Estate makes the case that she admitted she used other’s writings (implying it would be wrong not to). They make the case she did not plagiarize by listing the Ramik Report (implying it would be wrong if she plagiarized). Nichol has several chapters in his book attempting to defend EGW against plagiarism, even saying the extensive copying from Sketches from the Life of Paul was justifiable because she recommended book at one point that she took from without quoting (this also implies that if she does not recommend a book she plagiarizes that this would be wrong). I have several Adventist documents from the 1800s that callout plagiarism and call it a sin at the same time EGW was plagiarizing! (If you watched part3&4 you would have seen this) As I demonstrated in part 3 the trustees have been trying to show that she was not a copyist since the 1860s. However, now that it cannot be denied any longer they are now switching their game up and saying … well we know she copied, but now we can make it sound as though it is perfectly justified by the Bible and wind up back with a respectable prophet! Just because the Bible mentions the gift of prophecy and then Ellen White comes along and claims to hold this gift, does not automatically mean she is a true prophet. Any author can write about Christ and affect large change in the world (bear fruit). I want to see something that cannot be from a mere author writing about Christ. But what I see is a woman who has formed an empire from other authors and has lied about it. The Bible has strong words to say about those who claim false visions and I would argue this video shows two of these.
*IV.* If inspiration is so “misunderstood” as the church claims today, now that her sources have been found out, *who* set Adventists up for this misunderstanding? It couldn’t possibly be the one who wrote these books could it?
“Early in my public labors I was bidden by the Lord, "Write, write the things that are revealed to you." At the time this message came to me, I could not hold my hand steady. My physical condition made it impossible for me to write. But again Came the word, "Write the things that are revealed to you." I obeyed; and as the result it was not long before I could write page after page with comparative ease. Who told me what to write? Who steadied my right hand, and made it possible for me to use a pen ? - It was the Lord. When we come into right relation with him, and give ourselves wholly to him, we shall see the miracle-working power of God in word and deed.” (RH 6/14/1906)
“The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the spirit of prophecy.” (July 2, 1900)
"These books, giving the instruction that the Lord has given me during the last sixty years, contain light from heaven, and will bear the test of investigation." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 35, 1906)
"I am thankful that the instruction contained in my books establishes present truth for this time. These books were written under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit." (Letter 50, 1906)
"These books contain clear, straight, unalterable truth and they should certainly be appreciated. The instruction they contain is not of human production." (Letter H-339, 1904)
"How many have read carefully Patriarchs and Prophets, The Great Controversy, and The Desire of Ages? I wish all to understand that my confidence in the light that God has given stands firm, because I know that the Holy Spirit's power magnified the truth, and made it honorable, saying: 'This is the way, walk ye in it.' In my books, the truth is stated, barricaded by a 'Thus saith the Lord.' The Holy Spirit traced these truths upon my heart and mind as indelibly as the law was traced by the finger of God, upon the tables of stone..." (Letter 90, 1906)
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Given that you have mentioned before that her divine inspiration is the key point here, then I would say before we can discuss the semantics of inspiration that Warren Johns writes about, you need to first:
*1.* Provide from the Bible (show me specific verses) that prove Ellen White was an inspired prophet. I have also asked you before to give me a vision of Ellen's that has come true. You have been unable to provide this. Until this happens, it is obvious based on this video where her ideas came from.
*2.* In regards to infallibility, can you tell me one thing that Ellen White has instructed that has been wrong?
@@TesttheProphet
1. I wanted to know your disagreement with those 7 points, however, you've introduced more questions based on your research in objection to EGW and those that defend her. Fair, but not my intent for the question. I didn't see in your comment a Biblical basis for rejecting these 7 points regarding inspiration. ***Is not the Bible our ultimate rule and guide (Prov. 3:5-6)?*** Does this mean that we avoid close examination? Absolutely not. I asked about these 7 points in particular. Can you find a Biblical basis for rejecting these 7 points?
2. 101 Questions on the Sanctuary and on Ellen White has much info. regarding EGW (sections include the following: The Plagiarism Charge
, Copyright Laws and Plagiarism A Century Ago, Why Quotation Marks Were Omitted, Why Credit Lines Were Included, Was Ellen White Deceptive?, “The Words...Are My Own”, Why Ellen White Borrowed From Others, Ellen White Acknowledges Her Literary Borrowing, Borrowing from Uriah Smith on the Sanctuary, Examples of Word for Word Copying, Criteria of Dependence, W. C. White’s Integrity, and plenty more). Have you read and researched these?
At best, you have a view and those who defend EGW have theirs and both sides have mountains of "research" and "evidence" to support their case. Which brings me back to point #1 - Can you reject EGW from the Bible? ***Aren't we to test what is true from God's Word (1 Thess. **5:21**)?***
3. "It is a fact that Ellen White did use the works of others to some extent while engaged in her writing, but there is no evidence of intention to deceive on her part, nor is there evidence that any other author was ever deprived of his legitimate benefits because of her activities. No publisher or author in any land has ever brought or threatened to bring suit against Ellen White on the ground that the rights of publishers or authors had been infringed upon. (See Brief Statements Regarding the Writings of Ellen G. White)"
This quote is taken from Section G of the book mentioned in #2 under the heading Ellen White as a Writer - The Plagiarism Charge. Does this mean anything to you? Was there an actual suit brought against EGW? Honest question...you've read more in this regard than I have at this point...
4. Finally, regarding the questions you asked me at the end - the first one needs to be answered in your personal study. To start, begin with the SDA Fundamental Belief regarding EGW/the gift of prophecy/the remnant church. ***Attend to it the same way you'd present these videos.*** I believe EGW fits what the belief says based on what the Bible teaches.
Regarding EGW visions, I'm still researching them myself, I will share my findings as soon as I can. I have not forgotten. - UPDATE - there is a book that lists entitled The Great Visions of Ellen G. White in pdf form. The author has chosen 10 of her visions to focus on. I point you to that resource as I review it myself. Regardless of your conclusion, it all points back to point #1...whether or not the Bible is the ultimate rule and guide for conclusions about spiritual things.
You disagree that she was inspired of God b/c you can point to someone else saying what she said. It makes sense to me that her writings would have connection to others that came before her since her education was stunted (at least to some degree) by an injury she suffered. Wouldn’t that factor into how she read/comprehended info.? Even if it doesn’t for you personally, I go back to the main point (and a video that I’m waiting to see from you) what does God have to say about her?
Anyone can make a case for or against her (with all the evidence they want) - ***but shouldn’t we depend on what God says through His word? Doesn’t He have the final say?*** With regarding to infallibility, I won't say that I completely agree with "everything" that she's written - and the disagreements are based on changing time/culture. What she wrote "back then" may not apply "today." But, from what I have read of her I agree with. I haven't come across anything that I have read that I would count as "wrong."
@@TesttheProphet Your statement: I have several Adventist documents from the 1800s that callout plagiarism and call it a sin at the same time EGW was plagiarizing! (If you watched part3&4 you would have seen this)..
I'll return to the videos to see where you've made these points and provide a response when I can.
It seems to me common courtesy would suggest that you watch the presentations before copy and pasting the defense of your side. Just saying...
@@TesttheProphet
Fair and reasonable response. My only reply is that the principle theme of the videos you've made is the same. Have I watched every second of any of your presentations? No. Have I gained a general understanding of the point you're making, yes. I gather this from your video description and skimming sections throughout your videos. So, I'm not entirely commenting w/out knowing what's going on.
Interesting thought, coupled with A REQUEST!
IN TIMES PAST: Men brought sacrifices to God. Hoping He would accept them, with the goal of establishing a relationship.
IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME: God has brought His sacrifice to us! Hoping we will accept it, with the same goal in mind!
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