In 2020 I questioned my Adventist faith more than ever before. It resulted in my realization that Ellen White could not be a true prophet of God. And upon disregarding Ellen White I soon found I couldn't sustain any of my other Adventist beliefs on the Bible alone, without her to "prove" the Adventist interpretations. One by one they all fell like dominos, and today I am no longer an Adventist, but a simple Bible Christian.
My Adventist experience was/is very different. The position on her being a true prophet is scriptural-based. The same regarding the other Adventist beliefs. Those that use her writings as "proof" of anything in the Bible misused her writings. God alone is the foundation and the proof of what He said in His word.
@@gardenofreality No, the "SDA Church" does not do this. Some local churches do so. But this is not the "narrative" for all SDA churches. I agree with your sentences regarding the Word of God and its relationship to doctrine.
@@gardenofreality The church does not emphasize her writings more than the bible. There may be people who do but that doesn't mean her writing are wrong
@@ineedrest7 her position is only scriptural if her prophecies were true but as she has so many failed predictions , she is a false prophet of the highest order.
KJV John 8:32, 36 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I finally experience true freedom from the religious tyrrany of EGW. I pray for all my brother's and sisters in the SDA Corporation. God bless your research. I'm not alone 🙏
Since I started attending SDA church and found how they rely so much on EG White in 2007 already, I started doubting this notion I had to reject the teachings. But since 2019 after I finally got my membership,after many debates over the years, I found too many red flags to the way of thinking and writings of EG White. Hence I finally decided this year to draw the line, since my conscience was bothering me too much to stay and the denomination knowing it to be a "lie" from the beginning. Thank you for your videos and content, because it helped me in a lot of ways, especially with my family being devote SDA's
What's funny to me is that as a junior at an SDA high school in 1996, my best friend and I submitted the exact same essay on a book for Bible class. We got busted and had to repeat the class during Senior year. Had I known about Ellen White's literary practices...maybe I could have made an argument that plagiarism really isn't that bad 🤔
@@rayray4192 Do you have any evidence that she copied the words of others, and then said exclusively that God had told her those things? If not, I don't think it's stealing. All you would have to do is spin it differently and it looks virtuous. Two or more people may have the same ideas. If I know of another person having the same idea as myself, and they wrote it down before I did, I would feel it an honourable thing to use their word rather than my own. Now we have traditions and formats for citing references, but if those didn't exist, I'd simply quote word for word, like Ellen did, I imagine. That said, if you've got evidence I'll just have to accept it!
@@hungryOrb yes, lots of evidence. The eye witness testimony of her” bookmakers and a book entitled The White Lie with side by side comparisons. Ellen was a liar and a thief. She’s in eternal hell.
I too have studied my way out by God's grace in the last few years. I took the health message very serious and all the reforms and taught them. It was always difficult that there were so many contradictions and things we explain away. Being in a cult is hard to admit and we are trained to deny it and quote "the prophet" as to why we are not and if we dare to question we are "falling off the path into the dark world below". The more I studied and found the original sources for the health message and other writings the more it made sense. I got those books to read the original and they were from different people with differing ideas. Everyone says how the books supposedly written by EGW have blessed them and have to be from a person with a close relationship with God, it is true, but it was not her. If you read Alfred Edersheim you will find one close to God who had his writings "borrowed" by her. For many years I have told people close to me how frustrated I was that it always seemed the more Bible truth I learned the more I had to fight against Ellen White. Being under her brainwashing or mind control with the threats and fear employed is torture and does not allow you to grow and learn even though she had written or borrowed that there "was much more light to come ". It's not allowed. The "2300 days" that Adventism is founded on is not Biblically sound. They made a denomination off one verse taken out of context and misunderstood. Set dates and made many mistakes but instead of admitting the mistakes continue to cover it up and invent more unbiblical doctrines. We know that if the foundation is wrong the whole structure will be wrong. I know how most will react to these comments and this video because I too used to have all the adventist answers and quoted the supposed " SOP" (which she was and is not). I realized that when studying with other people who were not adventist I quoted things that I couldn't remember if they were from the BIble or her writings, this is horrible and I knew there had to be a change as the messiah said it is written from the Word not EGW or any other human. I pray all will ask the spirit of Truth to guide you into the truth as you study like the Bereans to see whether these things are so, don't automatically think you couldn't have been deceived.
Well said. The church foundation is built on a lie, then more lies. It took me years to study my way out. Mostly to overcome the programmed guilt to question egw that I received by family and even more so Adventist schools and academy. The abusive control from the congregations and schools is very sad. What is really sad are so many former members have become atheists because when they uncover the false doctrines they flee from christianity because they classify Jesus with sda and don't know Him personally. Even after years of leadership and education they never saw the rest of the scriptures and gospel. Please pray for them as well as others that are finding Jesus as they study their way out of the false truth. May everyone that visits this site receive the true freedom in Christ.
If you haven't seen it already, may I commend AcademyApologia's video on the problem of 1844. It is quite enlightening. Check out Defeating Adventism #35 - Seventh-day Adventists and Hanukkah.
@@earlysda True most are. Most of the 29 are shared by other christian churches but then we run into about 4 or 5 very problematic ones that are NOT based on the bible....verses are pulled together and several LEFT OUT to ensure you see what they want you to see.
If something is true, it should not only stand up to scrutiny of the keenest sort, but it should *_invite_* such scrutiny. If someone dissuades investigation of the veracity of a source, that should be the very justification for a thorough investigation.
I really love your calm and gentle approach that shows your genuine care and concern for those that you are trying to reach out. At the same time, you are presenting the facts as they are and warning others of their danger. God bless you in your endeavours.
Thank you. I definitely care about my fellow Adventists. So I decided to show my research looking over my shoulder so to speak. There is no axe to grind here folks. Only love for the simple gospel of Christ and the desire to share with others.
It's the principle of being truthful, if I see someone speaking erroneously of you to a crowd, should I just leave them to ignorantly develop a dishonest image of you? Or as a Christian should I atleast make an attempt to defend your integrity?
@@alexfrancis5685 To defend someone's integrity is indeed a noble and very commendable thing to do, but if it is proven that there are serious integrity issues, and one chooses to ignore those issues, then that'll be problematic. As SDAs, we take pride in being able to point out all that is wrong about Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel, Roman Catholicism and all that are non-SDA; but when it comes to acknowledging what is wrong about Ellen White and Adventism, we become passionately defensive, and in some cases as I've witnessed, we become even hostile. We always talk about us being the chosen people of God, the remnant, the truth, those who keep the commandments of God etc., but we must remember that HONESTY MUST BE A MAJOR CHARACHTERISTIC OF THE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST. We have not been HONEST about Ellen White. We've not told the whole truth. The White Estate and the GC hierarchy have always known that there are serious problems but have spent lots of time and money over the many decades trying to make those problems go away. I have no intentions to leave Adventism, but I cannot pretend that our church is rich, increased with goods, and hath need of nothing, when I know for a FACT that WE HAVE ISSUES. I know for a FACT that there are serious with the writings of Ellen White. As SDAs, WE NEED TO BE HONEST. WE NEED TO BE HONEST. WE NEED TO BE HONEST. Our leaders need to come out and tell the whole truth. What did the leaders who attended the 1919 Bible conference know? Why were these issues withheld from the wider church? Why did they hide away all the recorded minutes from that conference? If we don't earnestly seek God and embrace the principles of absolute honesty and truthfulness, then we're in for A GREATER DISAPPOINTMENT. May God help us to be HONEST.🙏🙏🙏
I am a Former Adventist. One of the most interesting things I have noticed, is that if you can get an Adventist to stop and THINK.... they leave the church.
Thank you for sharing! I thought something was wrong with me, when I was troubled in my spirit that something was not right about Ellen W. Oh, boy I was right! My struggles were the Investigative Judgement! It is sad to play around with Jesus and the Salvation that He brought to the world! The acceptance of the Atoning death of Christ is complete without judgement or condemnation upon the believer's behalf! No fear in Christ! It is FINISHED and SALVATION is secure in Christ! Amen!🙏
The investigative judgement was also the first issue I had. However, I didn't know it was an issue until I ended up asking the same SDA pastor that informed me about The White Lie, about how to have assurance of salvation. This doctrine always plagued me, much the same as the question of Ellen White's legitimacy. He answered all my questions regarding salvation and untangled the twisted view I had of salvation due to the investigative judgement. This changed my life as I see it has also changed yours. The investigative judgement is a horrendous doctrine that has led to spiritual trauma to many for a long time. Thanks for your comment.
Hi What's Up Prof 56, will help you to understand the Investigative Judgement issue using the Biblie only. ruclips.net/video/-EvjisEVMVk/видео.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveriesAfrica
@@TesttheProphet Hi What's Up Prof 56, will help you to understand the Investigative Judgement issue using the Biblie only. ruclips.net/video/-EvjisEVMVk/видео.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveriesAfrica Additionally please watch this. Walter Rea: The Plagiarist pt 1-Pastor Bill Hughes ruclips.net/video/h_-R1Kvrih0/видео.html&ab_channel=TruthTriumphantMinistries Walter Rea: The Plagiarist pt 2-Pastor Bill Hughes ruclips.net/video/NDGc1Uh-dUk/видео.html&ab_channel=TruthTriumphantMinistries
@Ario Vist Hi, Ario. Since this video is on plagiarism I will not be discussing the Investigative Judgement at this time. What do you specifically want to discuss from Bill Hughes presentation?
@@ariovist3420 Walter Veith ,SDA conspiracy theorist He is not a Christian but an Ellenist -adds and subtracts to the Bible using EGW visions Very dishonest and deceptive
A great respect for someone like you who had the courage to present Truth about SDA and EGW. Her book Steps to Christ was the first book which touched my heart, but sadly discovered that she was not the original author. It took the Holy Spirit to convince me that I needed to do research myself after not agreeing with the doctrine of The Investigative Judgement and The Atonement which she claim was not completed at the Cross when Jesus died, but that our sins were transferred to Heaven to be judged further. I read the White Lie, objectively and with great disappointment in someone who claimed other people's writings to be what the Lord has shown her in her visions. I compared "her" writings with the Word of God and found many contradictions. One of the most obvious was in her book Early Writings p15 where she claimed that she was shown the day and hour of the Lord's coming. In the Holy Bible Jesus says in Matthew 24 vs 36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not even the angels of heaven but my Father only. I still attend church but am very uncomfortable knowing what I do now after much bible study and prayer. Lesson study is a challenge as we differ in much of the doctrinal issues. I prayer that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of the Conference leadership, and that would be humble enough to admit to the many false teachings. I am not afraid to be ostracised by the SDA church because I only want to serve in Truth according to the Word of God and not idolize anybody but Jesus.
... In the Book of Ruth, Boaz clearly advisors Ruth, the God fearing, faithful Woman, "God's People, the Church", not to go gleaning in another field, field meaning from His Word, or His Church that follows His Commandments and His Word. It is very important to remember ... "...And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Acts 2:47, KJV) we are to stay in the church, It is not good to leave God's church because of the EGW issues or any other issues... It is hard to bare so much errors, yet it's even harder to walk away from God's truth, so I stay turning my focus on Him and where He would have me be. God's Church is the church that's going to be with the most issues as it the church Satan is going to concentrate on the most. God is able to to save His People. Trust in Him is the answer to all these EGW issues. Thank you dear fellow member for not leaving God's Church. Always remember “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” (1 Peter 2:9, KJV)... Grace be with you all. Amen, Hebrews 13:25
A new church needs to be made. Completely and totally devoid of the GC, Conferences, Ellen W, etc etc. Breaking off from the synagogue and meeting in each others homes, would be following the beginning of the Christian church. Remember, God told the people to wait together and pray. Then the Holy Spirit was given and the word of Jesus was spoken in all languages. All of this was done at God's command and without any associations with the Priests in the Synagogue.
Thank God that you did the research, read the Word and understood it for yourself - and came to your own conclusion. For me, who have never been Adventist, I have difficulty in 'seeing' how anyone could enter into Adventism - and even more - to remain there but I've since understood and your story bears testimony. If one never question what they are being taught - and follow the path you did to find Bible truth - and not the "truth" presented by any church - then they'd be prone to remain where they are. I commend you, my sister in Christ. For me, ALL I need, when it comes to Christianity, is Christ, my Bible....and a church (body of Believers) to fellowship with that teaches the pure and simple Truth of the Bible. May the Holy Spirit continue to lead and guide you. ....🙏🏾
@@gamp-1234 BUT,THE TRUTH IS THAT THE S.D.A ARE NOT A CHURCH OF CHRIST! THEY ARE A CHURCH OF HERETICAL DOCTRINE! THEREFORE THEY ARE A CHURCH OF THE ADVERSARY! S.D.A DOCTRINE MUCH LIKE CALVINIST DOCTRINE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE BORN-AGAIN EXPERIENCE! YOU WILL NOT FIND THE HOLY SPIRIT THERE! BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT THAT LEADS INTO ALL TRUTH! NOT HERESY AND LIES! WAKE UP!
My journey out is similar to yours as a starting point. I was not looking to leave not did I start this research because I doubted their version of what happened but I took a look at the so-called "shut-door" doctrine that came out of "the disappointment" and found it to be the most heinous and heretical idea. I also looked at how EGW etc treated those who did not accept this diabolical inspired teaching and realised that for the SEVEN years they foisted this on other believers they had to be operating under significant influence of satan. I became convinced that the rest of beliefs needed inspection and I slowly studied my way into truth and out of the SDAC. I appreciate that MAYBE the LORD is not calling ALL to leave but I could not remain in a church BUILT by lies and duplicity ESPECIALLY as it knows for e.g. about THE and they continue to uphold the lies and benefit financially from it.
Well, if you ever decide to get rid of any of those older copies of her books that you show in the video, id be interested in purchasing those, especially Desire of Ages and Great Controversy.
Thank you so much for this video. I grew up in SDA and wanted to be like the servant of God( as she called herself) When I learned she copied most of the information in her books and contradicted the bible a lot I was devastated and didn’t want to believe it. It was God that open my heart and my eyes to his truth and then I started researching and comparing her her writings with the Bible. I learned that she was not inspired by God, but from other sources. Now I attend the Church of God which follow the Word of God and keep the commandments including the Sabbath. God bless you all.
I too had this "confusion" for years, and the Lord Jesus helped me to discover many statements that contradict the writings of the Bible, and the prophecies that did not come true from the writings of Ellen White! May the good God help us to distinguish truth from lies and not to be deceived by any false prophet, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, amen!
As soon I discovered that Saturday is not the biblical Sabbath I realized that something is not right about her as a prophet . You cannot be a true prophet and speak nonexistent truth . I grew up in adventist church to discover the impossibility for Saturday to be the Sabbath . It’s Saturn day “provided to you the RCC” ( Roman Catholic Church ) . The question is this : if the 4th commandment it’s a notion of time and is dependent of a calendar why are we using the Gregorian calendar and not the creator calendar ? Saturday cannot be found in Scriptures , appeared in 321 Ad . How the Bible people worshipped prior to that? The sda church knows the truth and is hiding it , I have the documents
As a former Adventist who was born and raised in the sda church, who had to attend and help with many Daniel/revelation seminars, who was a pathfinder I can fully understand your hesitations to question the so-called spirit of prophecy.
I also helped out as a kid with those seminars and was in pathfinders. Adventism has run deep in my bones too. I find the fact that EGW warned about those questioning her writings is a great way for people to never question. Its a brilliant manipulative tactic.
SolaScriptura21 The Only Spirit Of Prophecy is The Holy Spirit. Revelation 19:10. I found that God showed me that the anger lead me to Truth. When I presented certain statements that she said that contradicted Scripture and was met with anger and comments like “you should not be baptized…anyone who questions her should not be in this church”…when I saw that spirit arise I knew that God was telling me something. The truth does not mind being questioned because the Truth is not subjective-and the harder you hit Truth the firmer it stands. God Be with you today and all days.
My friend, I have been on the same journey since covid. IJ was the first inconsistency i discovered, and then I have read many books on EGW (Daily, Bradford, Numbers). Some seem more fair than others but they all lead me to the same end point; EGW has been misused and misrepresented. New covenant theology has to be questioned. Where does this leave you spiritually?
That is an interesting question. When I began to look into EGW my wife thought I may be losing it so she started studying to prove me wrong. Soon she realized I was onto something and now my whole family and many of our relatives have left and joined a non-Adventist church. We are more on fire for Christ than ever before! I have seen the power of the gospel change many around me. If I may recommend some books for you: 1. www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800793390/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tpbk_p1_i5 (Helped me see a different view of God that was misshapen by the all seeing eye of the IJ) 2. www.amazon.com/Galatians-You-Timothy-Keller/dp/1908762349/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=tim+keller+galatians&qid=1626007396&s=books&sr=1-1 (Tim Keller is wonderful as a whole and has a great sermon podcast, this book is excellent). 3. Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff was another pivotal book, although many others have contributed to this subject such as Elce Lauriston. 4. www.christianbook.com/acts-an-expositional-commentary/r-c-sproul/9781642891850/pd/891853?event=ESRCN|M Studying Acts from start to finish to see how the early church began and what they instructed the gentiles to do is also important. R.C. Sproul has a good commentary on this. Unfortunately, many who leave Adventism become atheist because EGW has twisted the Bible. However, once EGW is put aside and the Bible is studied on its own, it suddenly makes much more sense and comes to light in the most beautiful and profound way.
@@TesttheProphet I just checked out Keller. I heard one thing that left me speechless. "Don't ever glory in what you do but glory in Christ". Sounds pretty basic when I write it here but the way he puts it blew my socks off. Keep on.
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I’m intrigued to watch this video series for myself. I was never a firm believer in Ellen G. White as a person herself. Because if Ellen G. White really was a prophet, then Ellen G. White could of been anyone; you, me, or someone else. When God chooses a messenger it’s because HE is the one that finds purpose in someone and not the other way around. That being said, people who remain in the Adventist church have always carried conflicting feelings about Sister White as well and that’s completely understandable. People in the church have idolize her when they should be focus on the source of the wisdom given to humanity and that is Jesus Christ. There’s a RUclips Channel called Adventist Defense League who’s also responded to some of your content. I’m looking forward to looking a both sides of the argument behind Ellen G. White. The Pandemic has affected us all, and I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that a lot of us have learned to come back to Jesus during this time. Hope you continue to find peace with God and may you be blessed. ✝️
Yeah, if they want to idolize a female leader they should pick Paula White, not Ellen White. Paula White is full of crap, like Ellen White, but Paula White is smokin' hot.
Once I asked a Bible worker why she didn’t do dairy. She gave me an Ellen White quote that directly said it was bad; but that didn’t convince me. It was years later that I finally cut ties with the church, but looking back, I should’ve known from that moment I was on my way out.
I took Doritos to a potluck once. Bad move. The women stated gathering their children. You know, supposedly, there is cheese in them. The potato salad, unfortunately, had hard-boiled eggs mixed in. My bad.
If you're so blind that you can't see why meat and diary especially those that are not farmed by you and not organic and grease fed with not vaccines and antibiotics, then your deserve what's coming. The bible shows we don't need meat from Exodus. God gave rumen manna and they wanted flesh. Yes Jesus are fish. I'm not sure whether people realise but 2000 years ago, the earth was not so polluted and the farming not intensive so it was a different time then. I came out from being near to becoming a Muslim, before that Buddhism, and Africa spirituality/ new age stuff etc, God brought me here not any man. Its interesting.... I think peeps are listening to different spirits and they think its God's spirit. Anyway, each to his own.
I have been frustrated by this information this is too much.i spent all my years strongly believing in Ellen G white.the more i researched the more pain i got at heart.
Look at you! Taking the red pill! Fellow Adventist here watching the first of your videos. I remain in the Adventist church for the Sabbath and the ‘sola scriptura’. Also I look for Yashua’s second advent. But I have a feeling we will arrive at the same place regarding EGW.
I’m about to send your clips far and wide. But before I do. Can you assure me you aren’t tricking us and will ‘bait and switch’ cleverly to an apologist of Adventism. Please let me know ASAP. I have so many people I want to share this too.
I can assure you there is no bait and switch happening here. These videos were/are made after spending a year studying both sides. I am simply now documenting my pealing of the onion. I have not found the Adventist defenses convincing. I do feel there are many apologists who are sincere in what they do, but as you imply, there are some who are deceptive. This is what happens when you have a denomination built on deception. If you have further questions I'd be happy to talk privately via email. Thank you for sharing.
I have an elderly friend who is a sda and does not and can not research this because he does not have the resources to do so. I have tried telling him how she copied other people writings and even bought the white lie book and he won't read it. Even some of the stuff she has written was incorrect because she didn't understand the hebraic context of what she was trying to interpret. It is really upsetting to me.
I have heard testimonials like yours through this medium and they all - like you - become, "former Adventists!" From all this, Ive seen that as long as one never raises questione, then they remain a complacent Adventist - BUT as soon as the questions raise their "enquiring heads," 🙂 then Adventism falls apart and the individual chooses to leave. The 4th vid, in the series, was the first I came across and in my comment, I mentioned liking the tinal quality of your voice. I noticed here, that someone referred to the "calm and gentleness of your voice 😁....Now, let me move on to Part 2! May I share this vid on my fb page? I'd like to when I begin my write-ups! Blessings 🙏🏾
BUSTING THE SDA CLAIMS OF AN "INVISIBLE" MARK OF THE BEAST Revelation was written in Greek. The literally meaning of CHARAGMA is a trade-mark or identifying mark. The noun χαραγμα (charagma), which describes an engraving of any kind (any marking, brand, imprint or impression), or an item engraved (like a tablet or a piece of pottery, but also an idol or icon; see the noun εικον, eikon). People probably began to mark things to declare their ownership of them (which is probably how writing began) but marks and symbols quickly evolved to declare the essential character of clans and troops, and the allegiance of the wearer of the mark to that troop. Modern trademarks perfectly combine these two elements, and that is probably the best way to understand this word.
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. I am not interested in interviewing at this time, but if you provide your email address I will reach out to you if I change my mind in the future. I'm looking forward to watching your interview with Dr. Johnsson.
@@TesttheProphet I understand totally. I hope you enjoy the Bill Johnsson interview. It has been a huge season! Almost 90 interviews with a lot of very interesting adventist scholars and academics. Maybe I interviewed you?! Lol. Who knows. I also respect your privacy. And thanks again for this incredible resource you are providing. Oh and my email has been over run by junk mail. I’m trying to address the problem. So for now it’s best to contact me here or over on my SDAQ&A channel. Would love to interview you one day.
I finished listening to your Johnsson interview yesterday. It was really insightful. I look forward to listening to the rest -- especially with Dr. Gladson.
Thank you for such a honest and touching introduction. I just subscribed ! Thank you so much for the work you have done so that we can benefit freely from it.
Thank you --if Adventist obey the instructions of Moses ,Jesus and Paul to test the Prophets they will discover that their revered prophet EGW was inspired from beneath --sharing this link with my SDA friends
Those of you who were SDA need to know that the Sabbath is not the idol that SDA says but is a blessing to keep if you want to be more blessed. I recommend you try a messianic roots church to understand the feasts of the Lord, the relationship between the law and grace, and the roots of everything. Once you know the foundation of the bible, no one can trick you again. Some early apostles were vegetarian but its not mandated. The Jews celebrate Channukah for the cleansing of the temple listed in Daniel 8:14. Jesus himself celebrated it in John 10.
You mentioned that actually purchasing Walter Rae's book was difficult to do. I imagine just reading it might have been even more difficult. Anymore thoughts on this difficulty that SDAs have in doing things like this?
Yes it was difficult. I did not want to be "deceived". But, I was aware that if the positions I held were left unexamined from a contrary view point, I could not be confident in whom Ellen claimed to be. I actually went into the study believing I would prove Ellen a true prophet. I suppose in any system where absolute truth/remnant is claimed, and those "outside" are deemed "apostate" or "Babylon", you will find difficulty in self examination.
@@TesttheProphet That is so right. The very notion of "the True church" implies all others are not true. Everyone else is false. The Roman Catholics make this claim, so do the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and virtually every cult tends to make this claim along this line. Some are quite blatant. This is point #14 from the SDA Baptismal vow: "I believe the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the true church..." The True Church vs Apostate Babylon - "Them's fighting words!"
"Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you,and shall say all manner of evil things against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceeding glad,for great is your reward in heaven. Matt.5:11
I realized Adventism was false when I was going to of the most Traditional Adventist schools in the country, Great Lakes Adventist Academy. I left ( not even) a year after I was baptized. I practiced Othodox Judaism for 5/6 years; now after going through a couple spiritual practices I am truly home in the Alexandrian Rite of Oriental Orthodoxy
@@llandonross1372 lmao it's hilarious but also so sad that people have no idea that Apostolic churches other than Rome exist. I'm Eastern Orthodox and any comment I make on RUclips defending the early church gets these anti-Rome people making absurd comments like this. It's a sad state of Christianity.
What an excellent introduction to this sensitive topic. The fact that SDA’s never think to test their own prophet speaks volumes. Excellent challenge doe all Adventists. If they would honestly and thoroughly test her giving all bias over to Heavenly Father, they would be in for a rude awakening. I was and am grateful to be out from under that strong delusion. The 1980’s white lie phenomenon was covered up from the general public. Many pastors left the church during that time but it was all hushed up. Only now, decades later is it all starting coming out thankfully. It’s way past due. I love your kind approach. I hope u continue to bring more research
Wanna ask for your permission to use some of your contents concerning EGW? I am planning to talk to an SDA Pastor about the falsity of EGW. Wanna use your compiled evidences.
An amazing video idea would be examining the plagiarism of Ellen white when she is supposedly directly (in parenthesis) quoting God or an angel and even that is direct plagiarize.
Imo...you are confused on several issues. First, E.G.W. never considered herself a prophet, but a messenger with the spiritual gift of prophecy. Her writings are not to supplant scripture, nor considered canonical. They must be tested by scripture just like any other Christian author! She warned us not to use her writings in place of a "thus sayest the Lord." That is why none of our fundamental beliefs are based on her writings. Secondly, her practice of borrowing from other authors without citation was common in her day and throughout human history. New Testament authors borrowed heavily from the Old Testament without siting the original source! Jesus Himself did this regularly. By your standard they too are plagiarists! Should we reject them as well? I hope this helps someone out there, maybe even the author of this video! God bless and remember Jesus is Coming soon!
@@matthewtoves8919 I read carefully both pages you referenced, and I found nothing that contradicts what God speaks in His word. The primary purpose of the spiritual gift of prophecy is exhortation and edification. In short, we are encouraged by the person with the gift of prophecy to be faithful to what God has already spoken in His holy word. Things we may have forgotten or are neglecting. She stated some had "drifted away from the old landmarks" and others " grieve the Spirit of God by their hardness of heart." That is why she referred to her writings as the lesser light meant to lead us back to the greater light, God's Holy word!
@@BDB-lt5gd with all the hoops you've jumped through and all the mental gymnastics you've displayed, I suggest that you would do well to join a circus. They always have room for another 🤡
I am also a Seventh day adventists, I'm 19 years old & I recently got baptized, this is the same question that has been lingering in my mind, honestly it icks me whenever some of them use EGW's words more than the Bible but I learned that not all of them actually believe in EGW, most of them were teenagers like me who don't believe about her 'visions'.
@@yehehehaw If you would have read the OFFICIAL SDA STATEMENTS OF BELIEFS before joining this church you would have realized it. FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 states that the spirit of prophecy MANIFESTED through Ellen G White's writings? Yes or No Please read it..
As an adventist I did not believe Ellen White before i read her writings and found a closer relationship to God as well as a new healthy science proved way of living. Vegetarianism îs one of the clear proof She îs a true prophet. She îs not a false prophet for ușing other writings. Even If She did not live by the standard She preached as some Say that îs a clear example that She preached God's word. Even her critics acuse her of small things, like eating oysters which even If it îs true it îs stupid because a false prophet does not keep the ten commandments does not rebuke sins made in secrecy. Best to think in your heart, have You fallen from Times to Times? Have You also preached the gospel? Does the Gospel lose its truth because You șined? No!
Hi Julian. Vegetarianism was in the milieu of her day and advocated by many health reformers, even spiritualists that Ellen would have claimed were being controlled by the Devil taught the health message! I do not find anything special about what she has to say on this subject and there is no proof this came from above. So, your argument boils down to because she "kept" the 10 commandments she is a true prophet? Sounds farfetched. Does keeping a law make one a prophet? I think not. Lying on occasion, eating oysters is one thing--deceiving people on the source of her information is another thing altogether. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors? Nice move though to leave this out of the image. You must try harder I would say. We know that a certain church is not very happy about a certain book and tries to usurp her authority. I was live at a meeting where the topic was the "Spirit of Prophesy". A whole weekend their "brother" (he is spending his free time in a monastery with some good friends [monks]!) tried in a very "nice" and "inocent" way to "destroy" her. At the end there was a QA where two brothers asked him to tell us if we can pass on the books: "Desire of Ages" and the "Great Controversy" to others. His answers where revealing! The first one was okay to share with others he said while the second one he wouldn't recommend giving it to others. That told me plain and clear that we have people within our church that have high positions and power that work against our theology that doesn't fit well with the global ecumenical agenda. Your chanel seems to have the same goal. Who doesn't study the Bible for himself is an easy prey, but those who does cannot be shaken. The plagiarism card is always one of the ways trying to destroy the "Spirit of Profecy". The unfolding endtime scenes show us that we can trust the Lord and His prophets and not people that "were" sda members and sadly found out that they were deceived by an old lady and now are crying loud about how terible they were led on the wrong path. The 35 chapter is the one in this book every one in and outside the church should read!
@@hope4all69 Her 1843 endorsement visions of Miller? Failed. 1844 vision? Failed. 1845? Failed. Her 1851 Vision?! Failed... Her 1856 prediction that she and some of her flock would see the day of the Lord? Failed. Are you seeing the problem with your prophet yet? Its good she wasnt peddling this garbage during the biblical period. Those Jews acting under the law of God would have stoned her to death.
This introductory video to your series has captured my attention. It brings out one of the most significant factors as to why our world continues to be in a mess despite its miraculous technological advancement. That factor is the great fear associated with the attempt to question established traditions. We want to continue with our beliefs from distant past. Traditions provide us with assumptions that make up our sense of self or as you call it our identity. So, we seek the continuation of traditions that create hatred, wars and insecurities in order to preserve comforting assumptions even when they have long lost their credibility or value. You understood so clearly that re-examining religious assumptions is the main remedy against self-deception and a means of progress. This is really insightful. But it's your courage that appeals to me the most--your willingness to persist to question and the courage you have gathered to continue the investigation even when you felt the emotion of fear of abandoning a tradition you grew up with. Furthermore, your openness, expressed in the invitation you have give to people to leave comments, is a further evidence of your love for truth no matter where it leads. I am eager to listen to your other videos in the series and hope to offer my comments. Thank you sir.
She's not copiying anyone's book, instead she is only confirming or approving the writer's audacity of the light, God has given or shown to them which also the truth, even the bible itself have the same or repeated story line that you can say copied it in other books in the bible like the book of Chronicles to Kings and even the gospel in NT, Ellen White is not the only one who has given the spirit of prophecy or vision in that time even her husband got a vision too..not all the writings are her cause some it wrote by the early pioneers too but mostly it's hers.. if you really want to know if she's true prophet or not. The bible says by their fruit you will know them
//"She's not copiying anyone's book, instead she is only confirming or approving the writer's audacity of the light, God has given or shown to them which also the truth" So God gave the writers she took from partial truth and saved for her the complete truth?
There is certainly nothing wrong in using other sources to back up his point & clarity..... personally.... the presenter did a meticulous excellent job in his presentation.
Oui dans l' adventisme,il y a eu un vote pour déterminer si elle devait être élevée en tant que prophète et contre l'avis de beaucoup,elle l'a été. Son propre fils a écrit une lettre pour confirmer ses plagiats,elle lui avait pourtant dit de ne le dire à personne.Digne de confiance???,non. Les adventistes accusent les catholiques pour l'adoration du pape et de Marie (des catholiques)et ils font pire puisqu'ils disent s'appuyer sur la Bible,et ont des traditions,un fonctionnement qui date de Constantin,un manuel d'église.. J'ai été membre d'église adventistes du septième jour,mais pas disciples de Jésus Christ. Que DIEU nous aide à ne regarder qu'à Jésus-Christ le dernier prophète majeur(Hébreux 1.1,2)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Los judíos tenían los testimonios y sus profetas y no le creyeron. Ni A los profetas peor los testimonios que es el antiguo testamento . Y se perdieron hasta hoy .
Interesante. Pero el adventista que solo se fía de los escritos de EGW, no está haciendo bien el desarrollo de su fe. La misma EGW dice que se debe estudiar la biblia y sólo la biblia. Y hasta donde he estudiado las doctrinas de la IASD son bíblicas ninguna doctrina sale de los escritos de EGW. Entonces, pues a estudiar la biblia. Saludos.
I have been an Adventist for years. I rejected her writings before I read them because I came across SDAs that blasted me with her writings before showing me the love of God. I later fell in love with her writings. Regardless, of what people think of her it doesn't bother me. God gives us all the right to do what we want and we all have to live with the consequences. Is Ellen White gives good counsel. It doesn't matter where it comes from or who she may have copy from. I have done my research also and I realized that God rules. I'm not gonna leave the church because anything she says. We are to follow people as they follow God. Many will follow the teachings of Matthew Henry, Martin Luther, Swingli and other Reformers yet they don't judge them. They say something like they weren't claiming to be inspired. I never like the part in Baptist when the Pastor says to you accept the writings of Ellen G White as inspired by God. Many that I have met upon Baptism had not read her writing for themselves. But only heard what the Pastor quotes. Did this deter me absolutely not. Why? because I figured if I read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit guide me God would never lead me into error or anything bad. Again, when I teach and preach I go to the scriptures first.
@@nicetry620 My friend you would have to show mw what God says about false prophet and place it side by side against what Ellen White writings say with added to either. Ellen White writing explain themselves and the Bible is its only interpreter. Many blast Ellen White and the SDA Church based on Dr. Walter Martin's book the Kingdom of the Cults. What has to be done is never look at one man opinion no matter how authoritative he has been in the past. If you have Adventist that quote Ellen White and live by her writing and don't open up their Bibles then there is a problem. Dr. Walter Martin points this out. But if Adventist read their Bibles and read Ellen White but follow Jesus and Jesus alone there's should be no problem. I must make this point if a person read Ellen White they should end up in the arms of Jesus. Why do I say this? She points her readers to Jesus. Also anyone from any religion that does not read the Holy Scriptures or digs deep into the scripture and read what people say about other people or people groups can never really honestly can anyone a false prophet. Why? Well, they are following the words of men and not of God. They are following a wicked pattern and false knowledge of men who have no love for people. Many today are profiting off the lies of men who are writing books, magazines, videos, radio etc that tear down people and people groups. This is Satan's way. God's people do not profit off of the lies or the bearing of false witness of others. God's people are to represent truth and seek to help those who may be teaching falsely. Many today who call themselves Christian have the spirit of persecution on those that don't believe as they believe. This is not God's way. God says love God, Neighbor and Enemy.
@@nicetry620 God didn't put us on this earth to kill and bury people who we think are false prophet. God didn't put us on this earth to kill and bury those who don't believe or think like us Biblically. He wants us all to come to the knowledge of the truth, but how could any when many are attacking, killing and bury those who don't think like them with their tongues? We close the door of salvation on people with this evil spirit. God gives man a choice. Man can choose life or death. God will do ever think within His law to help us to make the right choice. But he will never take away our power to choose. Why don't we give other people the opportunity to do the same?
@@willrobinson247 Last I checked the apostles DEBATED against those teaching a different gospel and ultimately died doing so in the name of Jesus.. And "1 John 4:1" specifically calls us to test false prophets... Ellen G White was a false prophet who took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God.... Fundamental belief #18 allows HER to have authority EQUAL to scripture over the sda church.
@@willrobinson247 So my guess is that you are completely clueless about FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 which allows a false prophet (Ellen G White) to have authority EQUAL to scripture over the sda church. But you came on here making baseless claims about the host of the channel, yet when confronted on these claims.....you decide to bail out and show your TRUE INTENT😏
You don't have to worry about Sister White. She has never claim authority over the Bible. She did not command,and demand,or instructed anyone to do so.Sister White has made her calling on Election Sure.Her destiny is already grounded sealed,and settled in Jesus Christ. She is now resting, and waiting for her Maker's call. What you need to do is to make your calling on Election Sure.Make sure that you are fully grounded and settled in the Truth, so that you will be in the first Resurrection when The Master calls. Jesus said He is the example, follow Him.
Well said Apple Rose. How sad it is when people are looking for fault in EG White's writings. God said: Believe in me and believe in my prophets. We are studying the 28 SDA Fundamental Beliefs and how refreshing it is to come to interesting truths that I did not know. I was baptized in 1985 I have come to truths I learned from Mrs White's writings and was led back to the bible. How very sad it will be for these souls who bash Mrs White's writings to realize their errors but it will be too late. Her writings have really helped us in our bible study and especially the study on the Godhead. God's richest blessings to You. Let's encourage God's people to stay faithful to Jesus and his Testimony.
But Ellen White did not say she was a prophet. In the Bible, not only the prophets had visions. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. Joel 2:28-30
You quoted a text that "daughters shall prophesy" in order to support Ellen. If someone is prophesying, what does that make them? Further, she wrote "My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there. It embraces much more than the minds of those who have been sowing the seeds of unbelief can comprehend". Letter 244, 1906 She was a (prophet +). Can you tell me what role she had that not only contained "the work of a prophet" but also "much more than the minds....can comprehend"?
Hello I am producing subtitles in other language for your videos. Let me know If there is a way you could incorporate them to your video. Other wise I am thinking of uploading them to you and give you the credits. Do reach out!
Hi Eloise, I'm uncertain if there is a way this can be done easily other than sending you a text file that has the english subtitles that you would have to hand translate into another language. I am hopeful that the auto Google translations to other languages are fairly accurate, but I am unsure if this is the case. Which languages were you considering?
@@TesttheProphet Hi I already have the English version. I finished the first video in Portuguese. How can I send it to you? Would you know how to add to the video?
After her vision on Nov 18, 1848, Ellen White writes (SLG 25.9): “The time of trouble has begun.” In the summer of 1849, a cholera epidemic struck American cities leaving hundreds of people dead. Ellen White then writes (PT September 1, 1849, Par. 9): “What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.” Soon after this prophecy was penned by Ellen White, the epidemic ended, and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. (Deuteronomy 18:22).
It's not a bad thing to take words from another book it's called wording you're looking for a Pacific way to say a sentence you do that in school you do that in your business you do that on a daily basis what a decision would word you may use
Your comments have confirmed to me that Sister White was a true prophet. For the very things that are been attacked, she foretold would be attacked. But the word of God said some will depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devil's. Proverbs 22:28 "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set." May God help us.
She foretold that she would be attacked as to the source of her information? Where? Seems to me if she knew why she would be "attacked" then she would have done something to prevent it. If you believe she was a true prophet because she claimed she would be attacked that's hardly proof of her legitimacy.
Funny that this man does not identify himself and that from 2020 to July 2021 he could amass original copies of the books he references. Makes me suspicious as to who actually put together this professionally done presentation. I came into the church in 1976 after reading The Great Controversy. I went from an agnostic to a Christian. It was the height of the buzz about The White Lie. No one discouraged me from reading it and actually church members brought it to my attention. I really had no interest in reading the book because The Great Controversy opened my eyes to Christianity and the centrality of God's Law as the focus of end time events. I knew the book was inspired even though White might have taken portions of it from historians - the book is much more than a history. The book unveiled history in a way that I had never understood before. I highly recommend The Great Controversy. Read it before reading The White Lie.
Hi Branka. The reason I do not identify myself is that other RUclips presenters discussing the SDA church have been targeted by nutcases at their home. Obviously, the vast majority of people watching these presentations are normal people, but some are not. I wish to avoid those people. It's that simple. It is quite easy to amass these books online with a simple search. Others, I have borrowed from collectors. The internet makes this very easy while back in the 1980s this would have been much more difficult. I acknowledge there may be people who have had different experiences regarding questioning and/or reading alternative sources regarding Ellen White, such as yourself. That I speak of in the video is from my personal experience and countless others of whom I have spoken with. I have read The Great Controversy and the rest of Ellen's major works. Take care.
God brought me to this church. Not by man's preaching but His Spirit. I didn't believe egw was a prophet and didn't believe Jesus was God when I got baptised due to nation of Islam, Islam, african spirituality etc and other new age type stuff that needed my heart up but God showed me soon after I got baptised. I'll listen to the rest of this at some point but I doubt it will make any difference. I know who redeemed me and took me out of darkness into His marvellous light. Too many deceptions are out there. God bless
Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I appreciate this video as it presents an honest question that people have within the church. Also, there are no broad stroke comments being made suggesting that "all" Adventist are this/that like other videos. Yes, test the prophets to see if they're of God. Please do so. However, be sure that the test is spiritually honest and consistent with scripture. Why? Well, the answer is found in Proverbs 3:5-6. Your "testing of the prophet" ends up in 1 or 2 camps: you're led by God as Prov. 3:5-6 shows or you're deceived (see 2 Cor. 11:14). That's not a scare-tactic. Its the flat out biblical truth. Any denial of that is rooted in error. Pray that God leads - not personal bias - and He will. Finally, a different perspective is one thing, but a flat out lie is another. If the books "against" EGW are lies then what is their value? Test the prophet....test the writings against her as well. Why? Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
Frazier, thank you for your comment. I have prayed many times for God to guide me in my studies. I also test everything that I read (for and against EGW) and have no intention on showing anything false. I put a lot of thought into my videos. One of the advantages of showing the original documents and including references is so you can see I am not pulling things out of a hat.
@Josiah Rivers I believe beginning with the doctrine regarding spiritual gifts/gift of prophecy is a good place to start regarding the qualification of a prophet. The Bible and it proper interpretation can best answer that question as God is the one who "qualifies" those who He chooses to speak on His behalf. Secondly, Bachelor and others (both in SDA and outside of it) are (for me) men and women who felt God called them to preach, teach, etc. and are gifted in those areas. A prophet (based on scripture) has a specific message from God for God's people at a specific time. We see evidence of this in scripture. Can you share some info. regarding Edson receiving a vision as to why Christ did not come in 1844? Regarding why Edson isn't considered a prophet is a good question and I'd start with looking at his life overall (he may have rejected the call to be a prophet). I'll do some digging as well.
There are two basic problems with your premises here: 1) that you can’t provide revelation if you use source material 2) that SDA doctrine significantly reliés on EGW. Both thèses premises are to be rejected. The first because a number of Biblical authors themselves sometimes use exteriors sources sometimes without credit. Hello, Paul, Luke, and a number of OT historical books. The second because that’s simply historical incorrect. The church often went against EGW’s wishes again and again. The emphasis bas on Bible study and Bible study alone when it came to doctrinal formulation. You simply have a misunderstanding of the role of EGW in the SDA church and I suspect that you also have a misunderstanding of the office of prophet in the Bible. Many, many, many prophets existed without contributing to the canon so if you think that being a prophet is the same as being a canonical author you’re already starting with a misconception.
What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors? Nice move though to leave this out of the image. You must try harder I would say. We know that a certain church is not very happy about a certain book and tries to usurp her authority. I was live at a meeting where the topic was the "Spirit of Prophesy". A whole weekend their "brother" (he is spending his free time in a monastery with some good friends [monks]!) tried in a very "nice" and "inocent" way to "destroy" her. At the end there was a QA where two brothers asked him to tell us if we can pass on the books: "Desire of Ages" and the "Great Controversy" to others. His answers where revealing! The first one was okay to share with others he said while the second one he wouldn't recommend giving it to others. That told me plain and clear that we have people within our church that have high positions and power that work against our theology that doesn't fit well with the global ecumenical agenda. Your chanel seems to have the same goal. Who doesn't study the Bible for himself is an easy prey, but those who does cannot be shaken. The plagiarism card is always one of the ways trying to destroy the "Spirit of Profecy". The unfolding endtime scenes show us that we can trust the Lord and His prophets and not people that "were" sda members and sadly found out that they were deceived by an old lady and now are crying loud about how terible they were led on the wrong path. The 35 chapter is the one in this book every one in and outside the church should read!
//"What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors? Nice move though to leave this out of the image" You clearly have not read up on the matter and are instead parroting the talking points of the church. I know I've been there. I would encourage you to read the health reformers--they were writing at length at how bad smoking was. These were the gentlemen she spent time with and lifted her ideas from!
Already watched a few of your videos. Not gonna say youre right or wrong, but came back to this video to comment on one specific problem i have with what you mentioned. Because they way you talk seem to suggest that the Adventist church is hiding EGW's "problems" by discouraging proper investigation into her writings. All i have to say is this: Im sorry to hear thats what you went through with other's suggestions when it comes to her writings, but that for sure doesnt represent the Adventist church as a whole. Im not sure why or how u went thru the Adventist system without even knowing the existance of the critics of EGW, because theyre littered everywhere, almost impossible to ignore even. Obviously when you read the church's stance on EGW theyre going to support her writings, but mind you there's no lacking of EGW skeptics even within the Adventist theologians and leaders, and theyre very vocal. With that, all i have to say is the videos were high quality, and is clearly done with good intention. Wish you all the best, cheers.
Decided to change the last sentence. As I did more research into this topic, I realized this was just mostly a regurgitation of what many people have already said, and is presented with a clear motive to undermine her writings from the get go. This was never a fair look into both sides of the argument. Some quotations and accusations were made out of context and cherry-picked, when there exists parallel quotes with clear explanations, and would question why bring up these accusations in the first place.
When 70% of the SDA church doesn't know about the fundamental beliefs, "yes" the church is attempting to hide specifics from the church, specifically fundamental belief #18
Caleb, I find it interesting how you went from "Im not sure why or how u went thru the Adventist system without even knowing the existance of the critics of EGW, because theyre littered everywhere, almost impossible to ignore even." This implies everyone knows the criticisms (such as yourself, but not me). Then, you end your first comment with "the videos were high quality, and is clearly done with good intention". Then, after a cursory reading of SDA apologetics the same day as your comment, you change your tune to "this was just mostly a regurgitation of what many people have already said, and is presented with a clear motive to undermine her writings from the get go." If you were so familiar with the existence of these criticisms before, than why claim my series was provided on good intentions and then switch to, "a clear motive to undermine her writings"? If you were familiar with the criticisms why is this suddenly a "regurgitation"? Were you unfamiliar with the arguments, just as you claim I was, in your first post? I hope you realize that there is more under the surface than a quick answer from ellenwasright.com or what is "littered everywhere". I will be building on this in future videos.
Where the LORD has guided me regarding this subject. The Scriptures reveal the truth. Therefore, it is the Scriptures alone that we should be reading or should I say, studying. In the Book of Ruth, Boaz clearly asks Ruth, the God fearing, faithful Woman, "God's People, the Church", not to go gleaning in another field, field meaning from His Word, or His Church that follows His Commandments and His Word. True God fearing faithful believers who need more than the scriptures to study, should be concerning. In saying that, There's nothing wrong with studying the Bible with writings of others about the Bible and the truths it holds, providing it is done with prayer, in the mind set of thus saith the LORD, or it is written, trusting God at His Word, not leaning on our own understanding, praying the Heavenly Father, for the Holy Spirit's guiding, in Jesus blessed name. The truth of God's Word never changes, therefore, instead of pulling apart EGW's writings of plagiarism, it is best to study God's Word for the truth. God is quite capable sending light of the same truth through others, therefore, there maybe views, that claim to be plagiarism, yet are not, but inspired Word of God through different writers. However, the only way to know the truth, is to go to the Scriptures, and see what the LORD has said. I could give lots of examples, to see if EGW's writings are true or not. But one I will give is that God's Word can not be added to nor taken away from. As it reads, “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6, KJV). See also Revelation 22:18,19. “I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.” (Ecclesiastes 3:14, KJV). We are to fear God not man, Therefore, following man as the Scriptures says, bringeth a snare: read Proverbs 29:25. The Seventh day Adventist Church is God's Church, you only have to read the Scriptures to know that. However, to follow the church out side of the Scriptures is not what God wants us to do. I am A Seventh day Adventist, and always will be, in heart in Love for God's Word. God said, “Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” (Jeremiah 33:3, KJV), If anyone wants to know truth about His Word, Go To God, let Him teach you His Truth. If you want to reach God's People, regarding the truth, do it through His Word. Those who are God's people, and those looking for truth, can be pulled out of the field when the tares are being pulled up. Read Matthew 13:24-30. So please consider this parable. Note verse 30, “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” (Matthew 13:30, KJV) Let God guide the reapers, let us do the Work of telling the truth about His Word. Please don't do great damage to His People. Give them the Bible and God will lead His faithful that trust in Him at His Word. Grace be with you all. Amen, Hebrews 13:25
That may be true, but the Sabbath is definitely the correct day of rest and the Catholic Church simply changed the day without a shred of biblical evidence. Satan probably commissioned Constantine directly.
Have you considered that if Rome would've changed any aspect of the faith, that Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch might've spoken out against it? Much like what happened when the gnostics tried changing things in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, or Arians in the 4th century, or Nestorians, or other various heresies? It wasn't until 1054 when Rome did change the creed and separated themselves from the other churches. Look up the Great Schism of 1054. This is church history. Nothing was changed, the early church worshipped every day they could, and Sunday was their special day of worship because it was the day Christ resurrected, the 8th day. The first day of a new creation.
St Constantine gets so much flak for things he didn't do. He was a great emperor to Christianity and very much let the Christians be the ones in charge of Christianity. He didn't change anything.
Ellen White is probably wrong about many things BUT the ONE thing she has right is Sunday is a false “sabbath” created by the “Bishop of Rome” (The Pope). So the Bible still claims that God made the Seventh Day Sabbath as a memorial of God’s Creation not the FALSE 1st day (Sunday) of the Catholic Church. The Pagan Romans worshiped the SUN so the Roman Pope declared SUNDAY as the new “christain sabbath” if me memory doesn’t fail me that was in 336 AD, but I don’t see ONE Bible verse that actually claims sunday as the new sabbath. Only the Roman Catholic Church claims that! Now the Church dropped the “Roman” title to make the catholic church more acceptable to all. IN MY OPINION changing one of God’s suggestions is ENOUGH (sorry I meant to say “one of God’s Commandments”) to make that organization a false church and anything they promote that goes against what God said is a LIE. Protestant means protesting Catholic Doctrine, So why do MOST Protestant Churches still worship on the false Roman Catholic Day, SUNDAY???
You don't even need her to know that the 7th day sabbath is Saturday. Even Wikipedia says so. I've not seen one thumb she's said that's false although I didn't believe she was a prophet when I was first baptised.... even though I think you must say you believe at baptism...
@@TesttheProphet I said “probably” anyone who wrote as much stuff as she did might have some things wrong so what is the problem. If I said probably there is also the possibility that she was 100 % correct.
Yeah. Indeed . Need to test False Apostle Paul also! He plagiarized Plato and also said that the ones who don't follow him let them be accursed. Who taught doctrines of Balaam and got away with deceiving the whole world.
So, ... your comment is kinda implied. If you going to challenge EGW, then why not bring down the bible as well by attacking apostle paul...... that is the oldest trick in the book & desperation on your part.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You mentioned that she quoted from other people's work and passed it on as her own, you do know that she only had a 3rd grade education right? And that she was sickly most of her life even when she started getting visions and those writings that you claims she copied, were not copyrighted but simply knowledge inspired to add detail to what was already told in the bible. The same way every other author in the bible added more detail to previous books of the bible in their time... so are you going to reject the authors of the books of the Bible as copyrighters too? Because Jesus claim words that Moses said, so did Paul and John and Timothy etc...
I want to THANK GOD for your CHANNEL that God can even use you who want to down play Gods ability HOW and WHO to use . Just like Josephs 10 brothers who meant it for bad GOD WILL ALWAYS WIN. Just a question if I look at Jesus back ground and also what He said ent that can be leaning more to my own understanding ? I'll honestly pray that God lead you back to His last day church
Isaiah 8:20; 1 John 4:2; Matthew 7:16; Jeremiah 28:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:20, 21; Luke 7:28-30 All you need instead of a long winded multi-part explanation looking at other books that aren't the Bible to prove basically biblical commentaries
In 2020 I questioned my Adventist faith more than ever before. It resulted in my realization that Ellen White could not be a true prophet of God. And upon disregarding Ellen White I soon found I couldn't sustain any of my other Adventist beliefs on the Bible alone, without her to "prove" the Adventist interpretations. One by one they all fell like dominos, and today I am no longer an Adventist, but a simple Bible Christian.
My Adventist experience was/is very different. The position on her being a true prophet is scriptural-based. The same regarding the other Adventist beliefs. Those that use her writings as "proof" of anything in the Bible misused her writings. God alone is the foundation and the proof of what He said in His word.
@@gardenofreality No, the "SDA Church" does not do this. Some local churches do so. But this is not the "narrative" for all SDA churches. I agree with your sentences regarding the Word of God and its relationship to doctrine.
@@gardenofreality The church does not emphasize her writings more than the bible. There may be people who do but that doesn't mean her writing are wrong
@@ineedrest7 her position is only scriptural if her prophecies were true but as she has so many failed predictions , she is a false prophet of the highest order.
@@arthurmiller260 obviously you haven't watched the video. It is proof that she is false prophet.
KJV John 8:32, 36
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I finally experience true freedom from the religious tyrrany of EGW. I pray for all my brother's and sisters in the SDA Corporation. God bless your research. I'm not alone 🙏
Since I started attending SDA church and found how they rely so much on EG White in 2007 already, I started doubting this notion I had to reject the teachings. But since 2019 after I finally got my membership,after many debates over the years, I found too many red flags to the way of thinking and writings of EG White. Hence I finally decided this year to draw the line, since my conscience was bothering me too much to stay and the denomination knowing it to be a "lie" from the beginning. Thank you for your videos and content, because it helped me in a lot of ways, especially with my family being devote SDA's
What's funny to me is that as a junior at an SDA high school in 1996, my best friend and I submitted the exact same essay on a book for Bible class. We got busted and had to repeat the class during Senior year. Had I known about Ellen White's literary practices...maybe I could have made an argument that plagiarism really isn't that bad 🤔
Mention it was a "thought gem" and you're golden.
How do you get someone on rules that didn’t even exist during their time.
@@jeremiahduran7238 stealing is wrong. And there were laws against literary theft. Ellen was a liar and a thief
@@rayray4192 Do you have any evidence that she copied the words of others, and then said exclusively that God had told her those things? If not, I don't think it's stealing. All you would have to do is spin it differently and it looks virtuous. Two or more people may have the same ideas. If I know of another person having the same idea as myself, and they wrote it down before I did, I would feel it an honourable thing to use their word rather than my own. Now we have traditions and formats for citing references, but if those didn't exist, I'd simply quote word for word, like Ellen did, I imagine.
That said, if you've got evidence I'll just have to accept it!
@@hungryOrb yes, lots of evidence. The eye witness testimony of her” bookmakers and a book entitled The White Lie with side by side comparisons. Ellen was a liar and a thief. She’s in eternal hell.
I too have studied my way out by God's grace in the last few years. I took the health message very serious and all the reforms and taught them. It was always difficult that there were so many contradictions and things we explain away. Being in a cult is hard to admit and we are trained to deny it and quote "the prophet" as to why we are not and if we dare to question we are "falling off the path into the dark world below". The more I studied and found the original sources for the health message and other writings the more it made sense. I got those books to read the original and they were from different people with differing ideas.
Everyone says how the books supposedly written by EGW have blessed them and have to be from a person with a close relationship with God, it is true, but it was not her. If you read Alfred Edersheim you will find one close to God who had his writings "borrowed" by her. For many years I have told people close to me how frustrated I was that it always seemed the more Bible truth I learned the more I had to fight against Ellen White. Being under her brainwashing or mind control with the threats and fear employed is torture and does not allow you to grow and learn even though she had written or borrowed that there "was much more light to come ". It's not allowed.
The "2300 days" that Adventism is founded on is not Biblically sound. They made a denomination off one verse taken out of context and misunderstood. Set dates and made many mistakes but instead of admitting the mistakes continue to cover it up and invent more unbiblical doctrines. We know that if the foundation is wrong the whole structure will be wrong.
I know how most will react to these comments and this video because I too used to have all the adventist answers and quoted the supposed " SOP" (which she was and is not). I realized that when studying with other people who were not adventist I quoted things that I couldn't remember if they were from the BIble or her writings, this is horrible and I knew there had to be a change as the messiah said it is written from the Word not EGW or any other human.
I pray all will ask the spirit of Truth to guide you into the truth as you study like the Bereans to see whether these things are so, don't automatically think you couldn't have been deceived.
Thank you for your comment, Tonya. I agree very much with what you have written here. God bless.
Well said. The church foundation is built on a lie, then more lies. It took me years to study my way out. Mostly to overcome the programmed guilt to question egw that I received by family and even more so Adventist schools and academy. The abusive control from the congregations and schools is very sad. What is really sad are so many former members have become atheists because when they uncover the false doctrines they flee from christianity because they classify Jesus with sda and don't know Him personally. Even after years of leadership and education they never saw the rest of the scriptures and gospel. Please pray for them as well as others that are finding Jesus as they study their way out of the false truth. May everyone that visits this site receive the true freedom in Christ.
If you haven't seen it already, may I commend AcademyApologia's video on the problem of 1844. It is quite enlightening. Check out Defeating Adventism #35 - Seventh-day Adventists and Hanukkah.
@@earlysda True most are. Most of the 29 are shared by other christian churches but then we run into about 4 or 5 very problematic ones that are NOT based on the bible....verses are pulled together and several LEFT OUT to ensure you see what they want you to see.
If something is true, it should not only stand up to scrutiny of the keenest sort, but it should *_invite_* such scrutiny. If someone dissuades investigation of the veracity of a source, that should be the very justification for a thorough investigation.
Exactly. How many Adventists have tested the prophet(ess)?
I really love your calm and gentle approach that shows your genuine care and concern for those that you are trying to reach out. At the same time, you are presenting the facts as they are and warning others of their danger. God bless you in your endeavours.
Thank you. I definitely care about my fellow Adventists. So I decided to show my research looking over my shoulder so to speak.
There is no axe to grind here folks. Only love for the simple gospel of Christ and the desire to share with others.
The way some of you defend EGW more than you defend the Word of God/ Christ is heartbreaking.
It's the principle of being truthful, if I see someone speaking erroneously of you to a crowd, should I just leave them to ignorantly develop a dishonest image of you? Or as a Christian should I atleast make an attempt to defend your integrity?
@@alexfrancis5685 To defend someone's integrity is indeed a noble and very commendable thing to do, but if it is proven that there are serious integrity issues, and one chooses to ignore those issues, then that'll be problematic. As SDAs, we take pride in being able to point out all that is wrong about Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel, Roman Catholicism and all that are non-SDA; but when it comes to acknowledging what is wrong about Ellen White and Adventism, we become passionately defensive, and in some cases as I've witnessed, we become even hostile. We always talk about us being the chosen people of God, the remnant, the truth, those who keep the commandments of God etc., but we must remember that HONESTY MUST BE A MAJOR CHARACHTERISTIC OF THE TRUE PEOPLE OF GOD, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST. We have not been HONEST about Ellen White. We've not told the whole truth. The White Estate and the GC hierarchy have always known that there are serious problems but have spent lots of time and money over the many decades trying to make those problems go away. I have no intentions to leave Adventism, but I cannot pretend that our church is rich, increased with goods, and hath need of nothing, when I know for a FACT that WE HAVE ISSUES. I know for a FACT that there are serious with the writings of Ellen White. As SDAs, WE NEED TO BE HONEST. WE NEED TO BE HONEST. WE NEED TO BE HONEST. Our leaders need to come out and tell the whole truth. What did the leaders who attended the 1919 Bible conference know? Why were these issues withheld from the wider church? Why did they hide away all the recorded minutes from that conference? If we don't earnestly seek God and embrace the principles of absolute honesty and truthfulness, then we're in for A GREATER DISAPPOINTMENT. May God help us to be HONEST.🙏🙏🙏
I am a Former Adventist. One of the most interesting things I have noticed, is that if you can get an Adventist to stop and THINK.... they leave the church.
The difficulty is approaching the thought that one may have it all wrong.
At the same time that's the hardest thing to do for them.
I wish I could LIKE this about 100 times
@@TesttheProphetthank you for this brother. We’ve started a channel also, exposing SDA.
Thank you for sharing! I thought something was wrong with me, when I was troubled in my spirit that something was not right about Ellen W. Oh, boy I was right! My struggles were the Investigative Judgement! It is sad to play around with Jesus and the Salvation that He brought to the world! The acceptance of the Atoning death of Christ is complete without judgement or condemnation upon the believer's behalf! No fear in Christ! It is FINISHED and SALVATION is secure in Christ! Amen!🙏
The investigative judgement was also the first issue I had. However, I didn't know it was an issue until I ended up asking the same SDA pastor that informed me about The White Lie, about how to have assurance of salvation. This doctrine always plagued me, much the same as the question of Ellen White's legitimacy. He answered all my questions regarding salvation and untangled the twisted view I had of salvation due to the investigative judgement. This changed my life as I see it has also changed yours. The investigative judgement is a horrendous doctrine that has led to spiritual trauma to many for a long time. Thanks for your comment.
Hi
What's Up Prof 56, will help you to understand the Investigative Judgement issue using the Biblie only.
ruclips.net/video/-EvjisEVMVk/видео.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveriesAfrica
@@TesttheProphet
Hi
What's Up Prof 56, will help you to understand the Investigative Judgement issue using the Biblie only.
ruclips.net/video/-EvjisEVMVk/видео.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveriesAfrica
Additionally please watch this.
Walter Rea: The Plagiarist pt 1-Pastor Bill Hughes
ruclips.net/video/h_-R1Kvrih0/видео.html&ab_channel=TruthTriumphantMinistries
Walter Rea: The Plagiarist pt 2-Pastor Bill Hughes
ruclips.net/video/NDGc1Uh-dUk/видео.html&ab_channel=TruthTriumphantMinistries
@Ario Vist Hi, Ario. Since this video is on plagiarism I will not be discussing the Investigative Judgement at this time. What do you specifically want to discuss from Bill Hughes presentation?
@@ariovist3420 Walter Veith ,SDA conspiracy theorist He is not a Christian but an Ellenist -adds and subtracts to the Bible using EGW visions Very dishonest and deceptive
Excellent debut video on your RUclips channel. I'm looking forward to your future content
A great respect for someone like you who had the courage to present Truth about SDA and EGW. Her book Steps to Christ was the first book which touched my heart, but sadly discovered that she was not the original author. It took the Holy Spirit to convince me that I needed to do research myself after not agreeing with the doctrine of The Investigative Judgement and The Atonement which she claim was not completed at the Cross when Jesus died, but that our sins were transferred to Heaven to be judged further. I read the White Lie, objectively and with great disappointment in someone who claimed other people's writings to be what the Lord has shown her in her visions. I compared "her" writings with the Word of God and found many contradictions. One of the most obvious was in her book Early Writings p15 where she claimed that she was shown the day and hour of the Lord's coming. In the Holy Bible Jesus says in Matthew 24 vs 36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not even the angels of heaven but my Father only. I still attend church but am very uncomfortable knowing what I do now after much bible study and prayer. Lesson study is a challenge as we differ in much of the doctrinal issues.
I prayer that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of the Conference leadership, and that would be humble enough to admit to the many false teachings. I am not afraid to be ostracised by the SDA church because I only want to serve in Truth according to the Word of God and not idolize anybody but Jesus.
... In the Book of Ruth, Boaz clearly advisors Ruth, the God fearing, faithful Woman, "God's People, the Church", not to go gleaning in another field, field meaning from His Word, or His Church that follows His Commandments and His Word.
It is very important to remember ... "...And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Acts 2:47, KJV) we are to stay in the church, It is not good to leave God's church because of the EGW issues or any other issues... It is hard to bare so much errors, yet it's even harder to walk away from God's truth, so I stay turning my focus on Him and where He would have me be.
God's Church is the church that's going to be with the most issues as it the church Satan is going to concentrate on the most. God is able to to save His People. Trust in Him is the answer to all these EGW issues.
Thank you dear fellow member for not leaving God's Church. Always remember “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” (1 Peter 2:9, KJV)...
Grace be with you all. Amen, Hebrews 13:25
A new church needs to be made. Completely and totally devoid of the GC, Conferences, Ellen W, etc etc. Breaking off from the synagogue and meeting in each others homes, would be following the beginning of the Christian church. Remember, God told the people to wait together and pray. Then the Holy Spirit was given and the word of Jesus was spoken in all languages. All of this was done at God's command and without any associations with the Priests in the Synagogue.
Thank God that you did the research, read the Word and understood it for yourself - and came to your own conclusion. For me, who have never been Adventist, I have difficulty in 'seeing' how anyone could enter into Adventism - and even more - to remain there but I've since understood and your story bears testimony. If one never question what they are being taught - and follow the path you did to find Bible truth - and not the "truth" presented by any church - then they'd be prone to remain where they are.
I commend you, my sister in Christ. For me, ALL I need, when it comes to Christianity, is Christ, my Bible....and a church (body of Believers) to fellowship with that teaches the pure and simple Truth of the Bible. May the Holy Spirit continue to lead and guide you. ....🙏🏾
@@gamp-1234 BUT,THE TRUTH IS THAT THE S.D.A ARE NOT A CHURCH OF CHRIST!
THEY ARE A CHURCH OF HERETICAL DOCTRINE!
THEREFORE THEY ARE A CHURCH OF THE ADVERSARY!
S.D.A DOCTRINE MUCH LIKE CALVINIST DOCTRINE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE BORN-AGAIN EXPERIENCE!
YOU WILL NOT FIND THE HOLY SPIRIT THERE!
BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT THAT LEADS INTO ALL TRUTH!
NOT HERESY AND LIES!
WAKE UP!
My journey out is similar to yours as a starting point. I was not looking to leave not did I start this research because I doubted their version of what happened but I took a look at the so-called "shut-door" doctrine that came out of "the disappointment" and found it to be the most heinous and heretical idea. I also looked at how EGW etc treated those who did not accept this diabolical inspired teaching and realised that for the SEVEN years they foisted this on other believers they had to be operating under significant influence of satan.
I became convinced that the rest of beliefs needed inspection and I slowly studied my way into truth and out of the SDAC.
I appreciate that MAYBE the LORD is not calling ALL to leave but I could not remain in a church BUILT by lies and duplicity ESPECIALLY as it knows for e.g. about THE and they continue to uphold the lies and benefit financially from it.
Your series will be translated to Polish language.
Excellent!!!!
Well, if you ever decide to get rid of any of those older copies of her books that you show in the video, id be interested in purchasing those, especially Desire of Ages and Great Controversy.
Me too
Thank you so much for this video. I grew up in SDA and wanted to be like the servant of God( as she called herself) When I learned she copied most of the information in her books and contradicted the bible a lot I was devastated and didn’t want to believe it. It was God that open my heart and my eyes to his truth and then I started researching and comparing her her writings with the Bible. I learned that she was not inspired by God, but from other sources. Now I attend the Church of God which follow the Word of God and keep the commandments including the Sabbath. God bless you all.
You’re welcome. I’m glad you found a church to attend. Blessings to you.
Thanks again! I will listen to your other videos and will share them. Hopefully you were able to translate them in Spanish.
I will do my best to work on more translations this month.
Help what church is it.
Congratulations we Adventist need this information but sometimes we are k like sheep just follow but thanks to you no more.
I’m very exited to see more.
I too had this "confusion" for years, and the Lord Jesus helped me to discover many statements that contradict the writings of the Bible, and the prophecies that did not come true from the writings of Ellen White!
May the good God help us to distinguish truth from lies and not to be deceived by any false prophet, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, amen!
It is a lesser thing to steal, but to say it was from God, humm......
Exactly!! The biggest problem by far
@jayceejm The biggest problem is her holding a heavy Bible, that's called levitating. ..... and that green cord the angel gave her, that's......
@@jayceejm Academy Apologia
As soon I discovered that Saturday is not the biblical Sabbath I realized that something is not right about her as a prophet . You cannot be a true prophet and speak nonexistent truth . I grew up in adventist church to discover the impossibility for Saturday to be the Sabbath . It’s Saturn day “provided to you the RCC” ( Roman Catholic Church ) . The question is this : if the 4th commandment it’s a notion of time and is dependent of a calendar why are we using the Gregorian calendar and not the creator calendar ? Saturday cannot be found in Scriptures , appeared in 321 Ad . How the Bible people worshipped prior to that? The sda church knows the truth and is hiding it , I have the documents
the seventh day is saturday not sunday the name is not important.
As a former Adventist who was born and raised in the sda church, who had to attend and help with many Daniel/revelation seminars, who was a pathfinder I can fully understand your hesitations to question the so-called spirit of prophecy.
I also helped out as a kid with those seminars and was in pathfinders. Adventism has run deep in my bones too. I find the fact that EGW warned about those questioning her writings is a great way for people to never question. Its a brilliant manipulative tactic.
@@TesttheProphet yup, it was a very smart move on her part
If she had been a TRUE prophet she would have instructed people to test everything she said!!!!
Basically all my family are sda and wont have her so-called prophethood into question. Dismissal or anger arises when I do.
SolaScriptura21
The Only Spirit Of Prophecy is The Holy Spirit.
Revelation 19:10.
I found that God showed me that the anger lead me to Truth.
When I presented certain statements that she said that contradicted Scripture and was met with anger and comments like “you should not be baptized…anyone who questions her should not be in this church”…when I saw that spirit arise I knew that God was telling me something.
The truth does not mind being questioned because the Truth is not subjective-and the harder you hit Truth the firmer it stands.
God Be with you today and all days.
Very soothing voice and great approach to look at the truth together with friends.
God bless you, brother! The ones who need it will understand. Excellent work, short, but eye opening, right to the point!
Thank you for creating such a well done and thoroughly documented presentation. I look forward to others
Thanks for the recommendation Sir. I absolutely love this channel already! Cannot wait for more videos!!
Congratulations on the release of the introductory video of this important project.
My friend, I have been on the same journey since covid. IJ was the first inconsistency i discovered, and then I have read many books on EGW (Daily, Bradford, Numbers). Some seem more fair than others but they all lead me to the same end point; EGW has been misused and misrepresented.
New covenant theology has to be questioned. Where does this leave you spiritually?
That is an interesting question. When I began to look into EGW my wife thought I may be losing it so she started studying to prove me wrong. Soon she realized I was onto something and now my whole family and many of our relatives have left and joined a non-Adventist church. We are more on fire for Christ than ever before! I have seen the power of the gospel change many around me. If I may recommend some books for you:
1. www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800793390/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tpbk_p1_i5 (Helped me see a different view of God that was misshapen by the all seeing eye of the IJ)
2. www.amazon.com/Galatians-You-Timothy-Keller/dp/1908762349/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=tim+keller+galatians&qid=1626007396&s=books&sr=1-1 (Tim Keller is wonderful as a whole and has a great sermon podcast, this book is excellent).
3. Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff was another pivotal book, although many others have contributed to this subject such as Elce Lauriston.
4. www.christianbook.com/acts-an-expositional-commentary/r-c-sproul/9781642891850/pd/891853?event=ESRCN|M
Studying Acts from start to finish to see how the early church began and what they instructed the gentiles to do is also important. R.C. Sproul has a good commentary on this.
Unfortunately, many who leave Adventism become atheist because EGW has twisted the Bible. However, once EGW is put aside and the Bible is studied on its own, it suddenly makes much more sense and comes to light in the most beautiful and profound way.
@@TesttheProphet I just checked out Keller. I heard one thing that left me speechless. "Don't ever glory in what you do but glory in Christ". Sounds pretty basic when I write it here but the way he puts it blew my socks off. Keep on.
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I’m intrigued to watch this video series for myself. I was never a firm believer in Ellen G. White as a person herself. Because if Ellen G. White really was a prophet, then Ellen G. White could of been anyone; you, me, or someone else. When God chooses a messenger it’s because HE is the one that finds purpose in someone and not the other way around.
That being said, people who remain in the Adventist church have always carried conflicting feelings about Sister White as well and that’s completely understandable. People in the church have idolize her when they should be focus on the source of the wisdom given to humanity and that is Jesus Christ.
There’s a RUclips Channel called Adventist Defense League who’s also responded to some of your content. I’m looking forward to looking a both sides of the argument behind Ellen G. White.
The Pandemic has affected us all, and I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that a lot of us have learned to come back to Jesus during this time.
Hope you continue to find peace with God and may you be blessed. ✝️
Yeah, if they want to idolize a female leader they should pick Paula White, not Ellen White. Paula White is full of crap, like Ellen White, but Paula White is smokin' hot.
Once I asked a Bible worker why she didn’t do dairy. She gave me an Ellen White quote that directly said it was bad; but that didn’t convince me. It was years later that I finally cut ties with the church, but looking back, I should’ve known from that moment I was on my way out.
Somewhere she said that those who will be translated at the end of time WILL NOT be meat eaters.
I took Doritos to a potluck once. Bad move. The women stated gathering their children. You know, supposedly, there is cheese in them. The potato salad, unfortunately, had hard-boiled eggs mixed in. My bad.
If you're so blind that you can't see why meat and diary especially those that are not farmed by you and not organic and grease fed with not vaccines and antibiotics, then your deserve what's coming. The bible shows we don't need meat from Exodus. God gave rumen manna and they wanted flesh. Yes Jesus are fish. I'm not sure whether people realise but 2000 years ago, the earth was not so polluted and the farming not intensive so it was a different time then. I came out from being near to becoming a Muslim, before that Buddhism, and Africa spirituality/ new age stuff etc, God brought me here not any man. Its interesting.... I think peeps are listening to different spirits and they think its God's spirit. Anyway, each to his own.
I have been frustrated by this information this is too much.i spent all my years strongly believing in Ellen G white.the more i researched the more pain i got at heart.
Joshua, many of us have felt the same. Much of the story regarding Ellen has been left out. Good luck with your studies.
Look at you! Taking the red pill! Fellow Adventist here watching the first of your videos. I remain in the Adventist church for the Sabbath and the ‘sola scriptura’. Also I look for Yashua’s second advent. But I have a feeling we will arrive at the same place regarding EGW.
I’m about to send your clips far and wide. But before I do. Can you assure me you aren’t tricking us and will ‘bait and switch’ cleverly to an apologist of Adventism. Please let me know ASAP. I have so many people I want to share this too.
I can assure you there is no bait and switch happening here. These videos were/are made after spending a year studying both sides. I am simply now documenting my pealing of the onion. I have not found the Adventist defenses convincing. I do feel there are many apologists who are sincere in what they do, but as you imply, there are some who are deceptive. This is what happens when you have a denomination built on deception.
If you have further questions I'd be happy to talk privately via email. Thank you for sharing.
@@TesttheProphet thanks for replying! I appreciate your position. And value your content.
I have an elderly friend who is a sda and does not and can not research this because he does not have the resources to do so. I have tried telling him how she copied other people writings and even bought the white lie book and he won't read it. Even some of the stuff she has written was incorrect because she didn't understand the hebraic context of what she was trying to interpret. It is really upsetting to me.
I have heard testimonials like yours through this medium and they all - like you - become, "former Adventists!" From all this, Ive seen that as long as one never raises questione, then they remain a complacent Adventist - BUT as soon as the questions raise their "enquiring heads," 🙂 then Adventism falls apart and the individual chooses to leave.
The 4th vid, in the series, was the first I came across and in my comment, I mentioned liking the tinal quality of your voice. I noticed here, that someone referred to the "calm and gentleness of your voice 😁....Now, let me move on to Part 2! May I share this vid on my fb page? I'd like to when I begin my write-ups! Blessings 🙏🏾
Yes feel free to share.
Thank you, very much!
BUSTING THE SDA CLAIMS OF AN "INVISIBLE" MARK OF THE BEAST
Revelation was written in Greek. The literally meaning of CHARAGMA is a trade-mark or identifying mark.
The noun χαραγμα (charagma), which describes an engraving of any kind (any marking, brand, imprint or impression), or an item engraved (like a tablet or a piece of pottery, but also an idol or icon; see the noun εικον, eikon).
People probably began to mark things to declare their ownership of them (which is probably how writing began) but marks and symbols quickly evolved to declare the essential character of clans and troops, and the allegiance of the wearer of the mark to that troop.
Modern trademarks perfectly combine these two elements, and that is probably the best way to understand this word.
Well done! Love the the clear style of your presentation, looking forward to the upcoming videos.
Great work on these series man. Keep it up, sending it to my SDA friends.
Love it can I interview you on my podcast?
Hi. Thanks for reaching out. I am not interested in interviewing at this time, but if you provide your email address I will reach out to you if I change my mind in the future.
I'm looking forward to watching your interview with Dr. Johnsson.
@@TesttheProphet I understand totally. I hope you enjoy the Bill Johnsson interview. It has been a huge season! Almost 90 interviews with a lot of very interesting adventist scholars and academics. Maybe I interviewed you?! Lol. Who knows. I also respect your privacy. And thanks again for this incredible resource you are providing. Oh and my email has been over run by junk mail. I’m trying to address the problem. So for now it’s best to contact me here or over on my SDAQ&A channel. Would love to interview you one day.
I finished listening to your Johnsson interview yesterday. It was really insightful. I look forward to listening to the rest -- especially with Dr. Gladson.
I went to SDA church for a while but left because to many of Ellen g. Whites writings were not biblical
Mathew 13:33
They call it "literary borrowing" LOL
Thank you for such a honest and touching introduction. I just subscribed ! Thank you so much for the work you have done so that we can benefit freely from it.
You're welcome.
Thank you --if Adventist obey the instructions of Moses ,Jesus and Paul to test the Prophets they will discover that their revered prophet EGW was inspired from beneath --sharing this link with my SDA friends
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She did not!
Mathew 13:33
The Lord is showing you the truth and the way. I am also on the same road as you.
Those of you who were SDA need to know that the Sabbath is not the idol that SDA says but is a blessing to keep if you want to be more blessed. I recommend you try a messianic roots church to understand the feasts of the Lord, the relationship between the law and grace, and the roots of everything. Once you know the foundation of the bible, no one can trick you again. Some early apostles were vegetarian but its not mandated. The Jews celebrate Channukah for the cleansing of the temple listed in Daniel 8:14. Jesus himself celebrated it in John 10.
so glad to leave this false church
You mentioned that actually purchasing Walter Rae's book was difficult to do. I imagine just reading it might have been even more difficult. Anymore thoughts on this difficulty that SDAs have in doing things like this?
Yes it was difficult. I did not want to be "deceived". But, I was aware that if the positions I held were left unexamined from a contrary view point, I could not be confident in whom Ellen claimed to be. I actually went into the study believing I would prove Ellen a true prophet.
I suppose in any system where absolute truth/remnant is claimed, and those "outside" are deemed "apostate" or "Babylon", you will find difficulty in self examination.
@@TesttheProphet That is so right. The very notion of "the True church" implies all others are not true. Everyone else is false. The Roman Catholics make this claim, so do the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and virtually every cult tends to make this claim along this line. Some are quite blatant. This is point #14 from the SDA Baptismal vow: "I believe the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the true church..."
The True Church vs Apostate Babylon - "Them's fighting words!"
"Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you,and shall say all manner of evil things against you falsely for My sake.
Rejoice and be exceeding glad,for great is your reward in heaven.
Matt.5:11
I realized Adventism was false when I was going to of the most Traditional Adventist schools in the country, Great Lakes Adventist Academy. I left ( not even) a year after I was baptized. I practiced Othodox Judaism for 5/6 years; now after going through a couple spiritual practices I am truly home in the Alexandrian Rite of Oriental Orthodoxy
Did Jesus say, "Upon this Roman I will build my Church?" I don't remember that part.
@@DivineMisterAdVentures what are you talking about???
@@llandonross1372 lmao it's hilarious but also so sad that people have no idea that Apostolic churches other than Rome exist. I'm Eastern Orthodox and any comment I make on RUclips defending the early church gets these anti-Rome people making absurd comments like this. It's a sad state of Christianity.
Hi,
Just a technical issue, the music is lowder than the richness of the speech
Greetings from a former Adventist. Praise the Lord for guiding us out of the false teachings!
So tastefully and beautifully done!
What an excellent introduction to this sensitive topic. The fact that SDA’s never think to test their own prophet speaks volumes. Excellent challenge doe all Adventists. If they would honestly and thoroughly test her giving all bias over to Heavenly Father, they would be in for a rude awakening. I was and am grateful to be out from under that strong delusion. The 1980’s white lie phenomenon was covered up from the general public. Many pastors left the church during that time but it was all hushed up. Only now, decades later is it all starting coming out thankfully. It’s way past due. I love your kind approach. I hope u continue to bring more research
Wanna ask for your permission to use some of your contents concerning EGW? I am planning to talk to an SDA Pastor about the falsity of EGW. Wanna use your compiled evidences.
Sure--go for it.
@@TesttheProphet Thank you! God bless!
An amazing video idea would be examining the plagiarism of Ellen white when she is supposedly directly (in parenthesis) quoting God or an angel and even that is direct plagiarize.
Keep it going bro
Imo...you are confused on several issues. First, E.G.W. never considered herself a prophet, but a messenger with the spiritual gift of prophecy. Her writings are not to supplant scripture, nor considered canonical. They must be tested by scripture just like any other Christian author! She warned us not to use her writings in place of a "thus sayest the Lord." That is why none of our fundamental beliefs are based on her writings. Secondly, her practice of borrowing from other authors without citation was common in her day and throughout human history. New Testament authors borrowed heavily from the Old Testament without siting the original source! Jesus Himself did this regularly. By your standard they too are plagiarists! Should we reject them as well?
I hope this helps someone out there, maybe even the author of this video!
God bless and remember Jesus is Coming soon!
Testimonies 5 page 66 and 67. Want more? If you deny her writings you are disobeying God.
@@matthewtoves8919 I read carefully both pages you referenced, and I found nothing that contradicts what God speaks in His word. The primary purpose of the spiritual gift of prophecy is exhortation and edification. In short, we are encouraged by the person with the gift of prophecy to be faithful to what God has already spoken in His holy word. Things we may have forgotten or are neglecting. She stated some had "drifted away from the old landmarks" and others " grieve the Spirit of God by their hardness of heart." That is why she referred to her writings as the lesser light meant to lead us back to the greater light, God's Holy word!
@@BDB-lt5gd with all the hoops you've jumped through and all the mental gymnastics you've displayed, I suggest that you would do well to join a circus. They always have room for another 🤡
I am also a Seventh day adventists, I'm 19 years old & I recently got baptized, this is the same question that has been lingering in my mind, honestly it icks me whenever some of them use EGW's words more than the Bible but I learned that not all of them actually believe in EGW, most of them were teenagers like me who don't believe about her 'visions'.
All "true" SDA's believe in Ellen G White, you have to.
@@nicetry620 I don't know, I'm still struggling to believe her. Not because I'm sda doesn't mean I just have to believe this 'prophetess'.
@@yehehehaw
If you would have read the OFFICIAL SDA STATEMENTS OF BELIEFS before joining this church you would have realized it.
FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 states that the spirit of prophecy MANIFESTED through Ellen G White's writings? Yes or No
Please read it..
how about The Book entitled "The White Lie Soap" ? Have you also read it?
As an adventist I did not believe Ellen White before i read her writings and found a closer relationship to God as well as a new healthy science proved way of living. Vegetarianism îs one of the clear proof She îs a true prophet.
She îs not a false prophet for ușing other writings. Even If She did not live by the standard She preached as some Say that îs a clear example that She preached God's word. Even her critics acuse her of small things, like eating oysters which even If it îs true it îs stupid because a false prophet does not keep the ten commandments does not rebuke sins made in secrecy. Best to think in your heart, have You fallen from Times to Times? Have You also preached the gospel? Does the Gospel lose its truth because You șined? No!
Hi Julian. Vegetarianism was in the milieu of her day and advocated by many health reformers, even spiritualists that Ellen would have claimed were being controlled by the Devil taught the health message! I do not find anything special about what she has to say on this subject and there is no proof this came from above.
So, your argument boils down to because she "kept" the 10 commandments she is a true prophet? Sounds farfetched. Does keeping a law make one a prophet? I think not. Lying on occasion, eating oysters is one thing--deceiving people on the source of her information is another thing altogether.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors?
Nice move though to leave this out of the image.
You must try harder I would say.
We know that a certain church is not very happy about a certain book and tries to usurp her authority.
I was live at a meeting where the topic was the "Spirit of Prophesy". A whole weekend their "brother" (he is spending his free time in a monastery with some good friends [monks]!) tried in a very "nice" and "inocent" way to "destroy" her.
At the end there was a QA where two brothers asked him to tell us if we can pass on the books: "Desire of Ages" and the "Great Controversy" to others.
His answers where revealing! The first one was okay to share with others he said while the second one he wouldn't recommend giving it to others. That told me plain and clear that we have people within our church that have high positions and power that work against our theology that doesn't fit well with the global ecumenical agenda.
Your chanel seems to have the same goal.
Who doesn't study the Bible for himself is an easy prey, but those who does cannot be shaken. The plagiarism card is always one of the ways trying to destroy the "Spirit of Profecy". The unfolding endtime scenes show us that we can trust the Lord and His prophets and not people that "were" sda members and sadly found out that they were deceived by an old lady and now are crying loud about how terible they were led on the wrong path.
The 35 chapter is the one in this book every one in and outside the church should read!
@@hope4all69 Her 1843 endorsement visions of Miller? Failed.
1844 vision?
Failed.
1845?
Failed.
Her 1851 Vision?!
Failed...
Her 1856 prediction that she and some of her flock would see the day of the Lord?
Failed.
Are you seeing the problem with your prophet yet?
Its good she wasnt peddling this garbage during the biblical period.
Those Jews acting under the law of God would have stoned her to death.
Also she ate meat 😂.
This introductory video to your series has captured my attention. It brings out one of the most significant factors as to why our world continues to be in a mess despite its miraculous technological advancement. That factor is the great fear associated with the attempt to question established traditions. We want to continue with our beliefs from distant past. Traditions provide us with assumptions that make up our sense of self or as you call it our identity. So, we seek the continuation of traditions that create hatred, wars and insecurities in order to preserve comforting assumptions even when they have long lost their credibility or value. You understood so clearly that re-examining religious assumptions is the main remedy against self-deception and a means of progress. This is really insightful. But it's your courage that appeals to me the most--your willingness to persist to question and the courage you have gathered to continue the investigation even when you felt the emotion of fear of abandoning a tradition you grew up with. Furthermore, your openness, expressed in the invitation you have give to people to leave comments, is a further evidence of your love for truth no matter where it leads. I am eager to listen to your other videos in the series and hope to offer my comments. Thank you sir.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you I wanted someone to test her
She's not copiying anyone's book, instead she is only confirming or approving the writer's audacity of the light, God has given or shown to them which also the truth, even the bible itself have the same or repeated story line that you can say copied it in other books in the bible like the book of Chronicles to Kings and even the gospel in NT, Ellen White is not the only one who has given the spirit of prophecy or vision in that time even her husband got a vision too..not all the writings are her cause some it wrote by the early pioneers too but mostly it's hers.. if you really want to know if she's true prophet or not. The bible says by their fruit you will know them
//"She's not copiying anyone's book, instead she is only confirming or approving the writer's audacity of the light, God has given or shown to them which also the truth"
So God gave the writers she took from partial truth and saved for her the complete truth?
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Thank you for studying this And Seeking Truth in spirit and Truth we worship
What is your name? How do we know who you are? So far the evidence is very compelling!
I know it's the SDA way BUT You don't judge truth but the messenger but by testing the MESSAGE. There is no need to know who is speaking.
@@jayceejm Interesting response. Jesus did everything in the open. Hmmm. And you judged I was an SDA.... I am not.... interesting indeed.
👍 .. ✝️🛐 .. 🙏
You should us the bible to test a prophet. Not other sources
Absolutely
There is certainly nothing wrong in using other sources to back up his point & clarity..... personally.... the presenter did a meticulous excellent job in his presentation.
Ellen describes Sunday as AOK; 5 times in DA.
1:35 - there you have egw doing a masonic hand signal !
Oui dans l' adventisme,il y a eu un vote pour déterminer si elle devait être élevée en tant que prophète et contre l'avis de beaucoup,elle l'a été. Son propre fils a écrit une lettre pour confirmer ses plagiats,elle lui avait pourtant dit de ne le dire à personne.Digne de confiance???,non.
Les adventistes accusent les catholiques pour l'adoration du pape et de Marie (des catholiques)et ils font pire puisqu'ils disent s'appuyer sur la Bible,et ont des traditions,un fonctionnement qui date de Constantin,un manuel d'église.. J'ai été membre d'église adventistes du septième jour,mais pas disciples de Jésus Christ.
Que DIEU nous aide à ne regarder qu'à Jésus-Christ le dernier prophète majeur(Hébreux 1.1,2)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Los judíos tenían los testimonios y sus profetas y no le creyeron. Ni A los profetas peor los testimonios que es el antiguo testamento . Y se perdieron hasta hoy .
Interesante. Pero el adventista que solo se fía de los escritos de EGW, no está haciendo bien el desarrollo de su fe. La misma EGW dice que se debe estudiar la biblia y sólo la biblia. Y hasta donde he estudiado las doctrinas de la IASD son bíblicas ninguna doctrina sale de los escritos de EGW. Entonces, pues a estudiar la biblia. Saludos.
I salute you brother. Is your email working? Thank you.
I have been an Adventist for years. I rejected her writings before I read them because I came across SDAs that blasted me with her writings before showing me the love of God. I later fell in love with her writings. Regardless, of what people think of her it doesn't bother me. God gives us all the right to do what we want and we all have to live with the consequences. Is Ellen White gives good counsel. It doesn't matter where it comes from or who she may have copy from. I have done my research also and I realized that God rules. I'm not gonna leave the church because anything she says. We are to follow people as they follow God. Many will follow the teachings of Matthew Henry, Martin Luther, Swingli and other Reformers yet they don't judge them. They say something like they weren't claiming to be inspired. I never like the part in Baptist when the Pastor says to you accept the writings of Ellen G White as inspired by God. Many that I have met upon Baptism had not read her writing for themselves. But only heard what the Pastor quotes. Did this deter me absolutely not. Why? because I figured if I read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit guide me God would never lead me into error or anything bad. Again, when I teach and preach I go to the scriptures first.
So you can careless what God says about false prophets in scripture, "in other words"🤔?
@@nicetry620 My friend you would have to show mw what God says about false prophet and place it side by side against what Ellen White writings say with added to either. Ellen White writing explain themselves and the Bible is its only interpreter. Many blast Ellen White and the SDA Church based on Dr. Walter Martin's book the Kingdom of the Cults. What has to be done is never look at one man opinion no matter how authoritative he has been in the past. If you have Adventist that quote Ellen White and live by her writing and don't open up their Bibles then there is a problem. Dr. Walter Martin points this out. But if Adventist read their Bibles and read Ellen White but follow Jesus and Jesus alone there's should be no problem. I must make this point if a person read Ellen White they should end up in the arms of Jesus. Why do I say this? She points her readers to Jesus. Also anyone from any religion that does not read the Holy Scriptures or digs deep into the scripture and read what people say about other people or people groups can never really honestly can anyone a false prophet. Why? Well, they are following the words of men and not of God. They are following a wicked pattern and false knowledge of men who have no love for people. Many today are profiting off the lies of men who are writing books, magazines, videos, radio etc that tear down people and people groups. This is Satan's way. God's people do not profit off of the lies or the bearing of false witness of others. God's people are to represent truth and seek to help those who may be teaching falsely. Many today who call themselves Christian have the spirit of persecution on those that don't believe as they believe. This is not God's way. God says love God, Neighbor and Enemy.
@@nicetry620 God didn't put us on this earth to kill and bury people who we think are false prophet. God didn't put us on this earth to kill and bury those who don't believe or think like us Biblically. He wants us all to come to the knowledge of the truth, but how could any when many are attacking, killing and bury those who don't think like them with their tongues? We close the door of salvation on people with this evil spirit. God gives man a choice. Man can choose life or death. God will do ever think within His law to help us to make the right choice. But he will never take away our power to choose. Why don't we give other people the opportunity to do the same?
@@willrobinson247
Last I checked the apostles DEBATED against those teaching a different gospel and ultimately died doing so in the name of Jesus..
And "1 John 4:1" specifically calls us to test false prophets...
Ellen G White was a false prophet who took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God....
Fundamental belief #18 allows HER to have authority EQUAL to scripture over the sda church.
@@willrobinson247
So my guess is that you are completely clueless about FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 which allows a false prophet (Ellen G White) to have authority EQUAL to scripture over the sda church.
But you came on here making baseless claims about the host of the channel, yet when confronted on these claims.....you decide to bail out and show your TRUE INTENT😏
Could someone please help me to find that book The White Lie? It doesn't seem to be anywhere on the internet sales anymore 🙄
There is one for sale on Amazon at this moment.
Thats my all time favorite Ellen G Witch photograph. How timely.
You don't have to worry about Sister White. She has never claim authority over the Bible. She did not command,and demand,or instructed anyone to do so.Sister White has made her calling on Election Sure.Her destiny is already grounded sealed,and settled in Jesus Christ. She is now resting, and waiting for her Maker's call.
What you need to do is to make your calling on Election Sure.Make sure that
you are fully grounded and settled in the Truth, so that you will be in the first Resurrection when The Master calls.
Jesus said He is the example, follow Him.
Thanks for your comment. I feel secure in my salvation.
Well said Apple Rose.
How sad it is when people are looking for fault in EG White's writings.
God said: Believe in me and believe in my prophets.
We are studying the 28 SDA Fundamental Beliefs and how refreshing it is to come to interesting truths that I did not know.
I was baptized in 1985
I have come to truths I learned from Mrs White's writings and was led back to the bible.
How very sad it will be for these souls who bash Mrs White's writings to realize their errors but it will be too late.
Her writings have really helped us in our bible study and especially the study on the Godhead.
God's richest blessings to You.
Let's encourage God's people to stay faithful to Jesus and his Testimony.
Testimonies 5 page 66 and 67. To disregard her writings is to rebel against God. Remember that.
Amen
Thank you.
Sda church has no proper structure to worship god
But Ellen White did not say she was a prophet. In the Bible, not only the prophets had visions. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. Joel 2:28-30
You quoted a text that "daughters shall prophesy" in order to support Ellen. If someone is prophesying, what does that make them?
Further, she wrote "My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there. It embraces much more than the minds of those who have been sowing the seeds of unbelief can comprehend". Letter 244, 1906
She was a (prophet +). Can you tell me what role she had that not only contained "the work of a prophet" but also "much more than the minds....can comprehend"?
Testimonies 5 pages 67 and 66. Do not regurgitate what your aplogists tell you. Read them for yourself.
Hello I am producing subtitles in other language for your videos. Let me know If there is a way you could incorporate them to your video. Other wise I am thinking of uploading them to you and give you the credits. Do reach out!
Hi Eloise,
I'm uncertain if there is a way this can be done easily other than sending you a text file that has the english subtitles that you would have to hand translate into another language. I am hopeful that the auto Google translations to other languages are fairly accurate, but I am unsure if this is the case.
Which languages were you considering?
@@TesttheProphet Hi I already have the English version. I finished the first video in Portuguese. How can I send it to you? Would you know how to add to the video?
Email me at testtheprophet@outlook.com
After her vision on Nov 18, 1848, Ellen White writes (SLG 25.9): “The time of trouble has begun.”
In the summer of 1849, a cholera epidemic struck American cities leaving hundreds of people dead. Ellen White then writes (PT September 1, 1849, Par. 9): “What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.”
Soon after this prophecy was penned by Ellen White, the epidemic ended, and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years.
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed. (Deuteronomy 18:22).
Didn’t the Civil War begin shortly after the pestilence ?
It is easy to proclaim it is the “end times” when there are disasters in the headlines.
@@TesttheProphet we are looking for more videos from you
@@backtobibleChurch See my recent community post.
Was Ellen White a plagiarist?
Ellen White often made use of literary sources in communicating her messages. In the Introduction to one of her most popular books she wrote:
"In some cases where a historian has so grouped together events as to afford, in brief, a comprehensive view of the subject, or has summarized details in a convenient manner, his words have been quoted; but in some instances no specific credit has been given, since the quotations are not given for the purpose of citing that writer as authority, but because his statement affords a ready and forcible presentation of the subject. In narrating the experience and views of those carrying forward the work of reform in our own time, similar use has been made of their published works" (The Great Controversy, p. xii).
Ellen White's use of other authors was not limited to historical or geographical material, but included other subject areas as well. Research has found that she enriched her writings with choice expressions from her reading more extensively than had been known, although the amount that has been documented thus far is a small percentage (less than 2 percent) when measured against her total literary output.
In 1980 Dr. Fred Veltman, at that time the chairman of the Religion Department of Pacific Union College, undertook a detailed analysis of Ellen White's use of literary sources in her book The Desire of Ages, a study which took eight years to complete. Copies of the full 2,561-page report were distributed to Seventh-day Adventist college and university libraries throughout the world. The complete report, including its 100-page summary, is also available online at the General Conference Archives web site: docs.adventistarchives.org//doc_info.asp?DocID=1158.
Because she included such selections from other authors in her writings, critics have charged Ellen White with plagiarism. But the mere use of another's language does not constitute literary theft, as noted by Attorney Vincent L. Ramik, a specialist in patent, trademark, and copyright cases. After researching about 1,000 copyright cases in American legal history, Ramik issued a 27-page legal opinion in which he concluded "Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy." Ramik points out several factors that critics of Ellen White's writings have failed to take into account when accusing her of literary theft or deceit. 1) Her selections "stayed well within the legal boundaries of 'fair use.'" 2) "Ellen White used the writings of others; but in the way she used them, she made them uniquely her own"--adapting the selections into her own literary framework. 3) Ellen White urged her readers to get copies of some of the very books she made use of--demonstrating that she did not attempt to conceal the fact of her use of literary sources, and that she had no intention to defraud or supersede the works of any other author.
Ellen White "did not copy wholesale or without discrimination. What she selected or did not select, and how she altered what she selected" reveals that she used literary sources "to amplify or to state more forcefully her own transcending themes; she was the master, not the slave, of her sources" (Herbert E. Douglass, Messenger of the Lord, p. 461). See also The Truth about the White Lie.
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"Was Ellen White a plagiarist?"
Every one who had studied and examined her works personally would answer 100% YES to the question.
It's not a bad thing to take words from another book it's called wording you're looking for a Pacific way to say a sentence you do that in school you do that in your business you do that on a daily basis what a decision would word you may use
She stole work and claimed it as her own and worse, claimed it was GIVEN to her in vision by God. Stop tap dancing and see the facts as they are.
Your comments have confirmed to me that Sister White was a true prophet. For the very things that are been attacked, she foretold would be attacked. But the word of God said some will depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devil's. Proverbs 22:28 "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set." May God help us.
She foretold that she would be attacked as to the source of her information? Where? Seems to me if she knew why she would be "attacked" then she would have done something to prevent it.
If you believe she was a true prophet because she claimed she would be attacked that's hardly proof of her legitimacy.
@@TesttheProphet expected this response, another confirmation of the spirits operating here. God bless.
@@MReid-hl9wy Disagreement does not mean there are evil spirits here. God bless you as well.
Rest assured. They ARE operating here. A few have been assigned to this very channel to ensure your research impact is diminished
Funny that this man does not identify himself and that from 2020 to July 2021 he could amass original copies of the books he references. Makes me suspicious as to who actually put together this professionally done presentation. I came into the church in 1976 after reading The Great Controversy. I went from an agnostic to a Christian. It was the height of the buzz about The White Lie. No one discouraged me from reading it and actually church members brought it to my attention. I really had no interest in reading the book because The Great Controversy opened my eyes to Christianity and the centrality of God's Law as the focus of end time events. I knew the book was inspired even though White might have taken portions of it from historians - the book is much more than a history. The book unveiled history in a way that I had never understood before. I highly recommend The Great Controversy. Read it before reading The White Lie.
Hi Branka. The reason I do not identify myself is that other RUclips presenters discussing the SDA church have been targeted by nutcases at their home. Obviously, the vast majority of people watching these presentations are normal people, but some are not. I wish to avoid those people. It's that simple.
It is quite easy to amass these books online with a simple search. Others, I have borrowed from collectors. The internet makes this very easy while back in the 1980s this would have been much more difficult.
I acknowledge there may be people who have had different experiences regarding questioning and/or reading alternative sources regarding Ellen White, such as yourself. That I speak of in the video is from my personal experience and countless others of whom I have spoken with.
I have read The Great Controversy and the rest of Ellen's major works.
Take care.
So you came to the church after reading the Great Controversy, no wonder , but we who have read the Bible on our own have left Adventism
Who wants to tell him about where she got the GC from? 😂
God brought me to this church. Not by man's preaching but His Spirit. I didn't believe egw was a prophet and didn't believe Jesus was God when I got baptised due to nation of Islam, Islam, african spirituality etc and other new age type stuff that needed my heart up but God showed me soon after I got baptised. I'll listen to the rest of this at some point but I doubt it will make any difference. I know who redeemed me and took me out of darkness into His marvellous light. Too many deceptions are out there. God bless
I love Ellen White’s books. I highly recommend them.
You also love trolling
Amen
Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I appreciate this video as it presents an honest question that people have within the church. Also, there are no broad stroke comments being made suggesting that "all" Adventist are this/that like other videos. Yes, test the prophets to see if they're of God. Please do so. However, be sure that the test is spiritually honest and consistent with scripture. Why? Well, the answer is found in Proverbs 3:5-6. Your "testing of the prophet" ends up in 1 or 2 camps: you're led by God as Prov. 3:5-6 shows or you're deceived (see 2 Cor. 11:14). That's not a scare-tactic. Its the flat out biblical truth. Any denial of that is rooted in error. Pray that God leads - not personal bias - and He will. Finally, a different perspective is one thing, but a flat out lie is another. If the books "against" EGW are lies then what is their value? Test the prophet....test the writings against her as well. Why? Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
Frazier, thank you for your comment. I have prayed many times for God to guide me in my studies. I also test everything that I read (for and against EGW) and have no intention on showing anything false. I put a lot of thought into my videos. One of the advantages of showing the original documents and including references is so you can see I am not pulling things out of a hat.
@@TesttheProphet I respect that. I noticed it the first 2 minutes of this video. Looking forward to studying/reviewing what you'll share...
@@TesttheProphet Did you/will you include the tests of a true prophet from a biblical perspective?
Sure, I will include these in a future video.
@Josiah Rivers I believe beginning with the doctrine regarding spiritual gifts/gift of prophecy is a good place to start regarding the qualification of a prophet. The Bible and it proper interpretation can best answer that question as God is the one who "qualifies" those who He chooses to speak on His behalf. Secondly, Bachelor and others (both in SDA and outside of it) are (for me) men and women who felt God called them to preach, teach, etc. and are gifted in those areas. A prophet (based on scripture) has a specific message from God for God's people at a specific time. We see evidence of this in scripture.
Can you share some info. regarding Edson receiving a vision as to why Christ did not come in 1844? Regarding why Edson isn't considered a prophet is a good question and I'd start with looking at his life overall (he may have rejected the call to be a prophet). I'll do some digging as well.
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You're welcome.
There are two basic problems with your premises here:
1) that you can’t provide revelation if you use source material
2) that SDA doctrine significantly reliés on EGW.
Both thèses premises are to be rejected. The first because a number of Biblical authors themselves sometimes use exteriors sources sometimes without credit. Hello, Paul, Luke, and a number of OT historical books. The second because that’s simply historical incorrect. The church often went against EGW’s wishes again and again. The emphasis bas on Bible study and Bible study alone when it came to doctrinal formulation. You simply have a misunderstanding of the role of EGW in the SDA church and I suspect that you also have a misunderstanding of the office of prophet in the Bible.
Many, many, many prophets existed without contributing to the canon so if you think that being a prophet is the same as being a canonical author you’re already starting with a misconception.
What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors?
Nice move though to leave this out of the image.
You must try harder I would say.
We know that a certain church is not very happy about a certain book and tries to usurp her authority.
I was live at a meeting where the topic was the "Spirit of Prophesy". A whole weekend their "brother" (he is spending his free time in a monastery with some good friends [monks]!) tried in a very "nice" and "inocent" way to "destroy" her.
At the end there was a QA where two brothers asked him to tell us if we can pass on the books: "Desire of Ages" and the "Great Controversy" to others.
His answers where revealing! The first one was okay to share with others he said while the second one he wouldn't recommend giving it to others. That told me plain and clear that we have people within our church that have high positions and power that work against our theology that doesn't fit well with the global ecumenical agenda.
Your chanel seems to have the same goal.
Who doesn't study the Bible for himself is an easy prey, but those who does cannot be shaken. The plagiarism card is always one of the ways trying to destroy the "Spirit of Profecy". The unfolding endtime scenes show us that we can trust the Lord and His prophets and not people that "were" sda members and sadly found out that they were deceived by an old lady and now are crying loud about how terible they were led on the wrong path.
The 35 chapter is the one in this book every one in and outside the church should read!
//"What's about the recommendation of smoking been good for the lungs in her days by doctors?
Nice move though to leave this out of the image"
You clearly have not read up on the matter and are instead parroting the talking points of the church. I know I've been there. I would encourage you to read the health reformers--they were writing at length at how bad smoking was. These were the gentlemen she spent time with and lifted her ideas from!
Already watched a few of your videos. Not gonna say youre right or wrong, but came back to this video to comment on one specific problem i have with what you mentioned. Because they way you talk seem to suggest that the Adventist church is hiding EGW's "problems" by discouraging proper investigation into her writings. All i have to say is this: Im sorry to hear thats what you went through with other's suggestions when it comes to her writings, but that for sure doesnt represent the Adventist church as a whole. Im not sure why or how u went thru the Adventist system without even knowing the existance of the critics of EGW, because theyre littered everywhere, almost impossible to ignore even. Obviously when you read the church's stance on EGW theyre going to support her writings, but mind you there's no lacking of EGW skeptics even within the Adventist theologians and leaders, and theyre very vocal. With that, all i have to say is the videos were high quality, and is clearly done with good intention. Wish you all the best, cheers.
Decided to change the last sentence. As I did more research into this topic, I realized this was just mostly a regurgitation of what many people have already said, and is presented with a clear motive to undermine her writings from the get go. This was never a fair look into both sides of the argument. Some quotations and accusations were made out of context and cherry-picked, when there exists parallel quotes with clear explanations, and would question why bring up these accusations in the first place.
When 70% of the SDA church doesn't know about the fundamental beliefs, "yes" the church is attempting to hide specifics from the church, specifically fundamental belief #18
Caleb,
I find it interesting how you went from "Im not sure why or how u went thru the Adventist system without even knowing the existance of the critics of EGW, because theyre littered everywhere, almost impossible to ignore even." This implies everyone knows the criticisms (such as yourself, but not me). Then, you end your first comment with "the videos were high quality, and is clearly done with good intention".
Then, after a cursory reading of SDA apologetics the same day as your comment, you change your tune to "this was just mostly a regurgitation of what many people have already said, and is presented with a clear motive to undermine her writings from the get go." If you were so familiar with the existence of these criticisms before, than why claim my series was provided on good intentions and then switch to, "a clear motive to undermine her writings"? If you were familiar with the criticisms why is this suddenly a "regurgitation"? Were you unfamiliar with the arguments, just as you claim I was, in your first post?
I hope you realize that there is more under the surface than a quick answer from ellenwasright.com or what is "littered everywhere". I will be building on this in future videos.
Where the LORD has guided me regarding this subject. The Scriptures reveal the truth. Therefore, it is the Scriptures alone that we should be reading or should I say, studying. In the Book of Ruth, Boaz clearly asks Ruth, the God fearing, faithful Woman, "God's People, the Church", not to go gleaning in another field, field meaning from His Word, or His Church that follows His Commandments and His Word.
True God fearing faithful believers who need more than the scriptures to study, should be concerning. In saying that, There's nothing wrong with studying the Bible with writings of others about the Bible and the truths it holds, providing it is done with prayer, in the mind set of thus saith the LORD, or it is written, trusting God at His Word, not leaning on our own understanding, praying the Heavenly Father, for the Holy Spirit's guiding, in Jesus blessed name.
The truth of God's Word never changes, therefore, instead of pulling apart EGW's writings of plagiarism, it is best to study God's Word for the truth. God is quite capable sending light of the same truth through others, therefore, there maybe views, that claim to be plagiarism, yet are not, but inspired Word of God through different writers. However, the only way to know the truth, is to go to the Scriptures, and see what the LORD has said. I could give lots of examples, to see if EGW's writings are true or not. But one I will give is that God's Word can not be added to nor taken away from. As it reads, “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6, KJV). See also Revelation 22:18,19. “I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.” (Ecclesiastes 3:14, KJV).
We are to fear God not man, Therefore, following man as the Scriptures says, bringeth a snare: read Proverbs 29:25.
The Seventh day Adventist Church is God's Church, you only have to read the Scriptures to know that. However, to follow the church out side of the Scriptures is not what God wants us to do. I am A Seventh day Adventist, and always will be, in heart in Love for God's Word.
God said, “Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” (Jeremiah 33:3, KJV), If anyone wants to know truth about His Word, Go To God, let Him teach you His Truth.
If you want to reach God's People, regarding the truth, do it through His Word. Those who are God's people, and those looking for truth, can be pulled out of the field when the tares are being pulled up. Read Matthew 13:24-30. So please consider this parable. Note verse 30, “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” (Matthew 13:30, KJV)
Let God guide the reapers, let us do the Work of telling the truth about His Word. Please don't do great damage to His People. Give them the Bible and God will lead His faithful that trust in Him at His Word.
Grace be with you all. Amen, Hebrews 13:25
That may be true, but the Sabbath is definitely the correct day of rest and the Catholic Church simply changed the day without a shred of biblical evidence. Satan probably commissioned Constantine directly.
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Have you considered that if Rome would've changed any aspect of the faith, that Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch might've spoken out against it? Much like what happened when the gnostics tried changing things in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, or Arians in the 4th century, or Nestorians, or other various heresies? It wasn't until 1054 when Rome did change the creed and separated themselves from the other churches. Look up the Great Schism of 1054. This is church history. Nothing was changed, the early church worshipped every day they could, and Sunday was their special day of worship because it was the day Christ resurrected, the 8th day. The first day of a new creation.
Read Matthew 16:18 multiple times and trust that the Holy Spirit will not let the church fail.
A read through the book of Hebrews would help you. Especially chapters 4 and 7.
St Constantine gets so much flak for things he didn't do. He was a great emperor to Christianity and very much let the Christians be the ones in charge of Christianity. He didn't change anything.
Ellen White is probably wrong about many things BUT the ONE thing she has right is Sunday is a false “sabbath” created by the “Bishop of Rome” (The Pope). So the Bible still claims that God made the Seventh Day Sabbath as a memorial of God’s Creation not the FALSE 1st day (Sunday) of the Catholic Church. The Pagan Romans worshiped the SUN so the Roman Pope declared SUNDAY as the new “christain sabbath” if me memory doesn’t fail me that was in 336 AD, but I don’t see ONE Bible verse that actually claims sunday as the new sabbath. Only the Roman Catholic Church claims that! Now the Church dropped the “Roman” title to make the catholic church more acceptable to all. IN MY OPINION changing one of God’s suggestions is ENOUGH (sorry I meant to say “one of God’s Commandments”) to make that organization a false church and anything they promote that goes against what God said is a LIE. Protestant means protesting Catholic Doctrine, So why do MOST Protestant Churches still worship on the false Roman Catholic Day, SUNDAY???
We are to worship God every day!
You don't even need her to know that the 7th day sabbath is Saturday. Even Wikipedia says so. I've not seen one thumb she's said that's false although I didn't believe she was a prophet when I was first baptised.... even though I think you must say you believe at baptism...
You said she was probably wrong about many things. Can you give an example?
@@TesttheProphet I said “probably” anyone who wrote as much stuff as she did might have some things wrong so what is the problem. If I said probably there is also the possibility that she was 100 % correct.
You haven’t answered my question.
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Yeah. Indeed . Need to test False Apostle Paul also! He plagiarized Plato and also said that the ones who don't follow him let them be accursed. Who taught doctrines of Balaam and got away with deceiving the whole world.
Oh boy are you ever out there in the weeds wow
So, ... your comment is kinda implied. If you going to challenge EGW, then why not bring down the bible as well by attacking apostle paul...... that is the oldest trick in the book & desperation on your part.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What war is going on toward Adventists (the Remnant) right now to qualify them to insert themselves into this verse?
You mentioned that she quoted from other people's work and passed it on as her own, you do know that she only had a 3rd grade education right? And that she was sickly most of her life even when she started getting visions and those writings that you claims she copied, were not copyrighted but simply knowledge inspired to add detail to what was already told in the bible. The same way every other author in the bible added more detail to previous books of the bible in their time... so are you going to reject the authors of the books of the Bible as copyrighters too? Because Jesus claim words that Moses said, so did Paul and John and Timothy etc...
I suggest listening to each part carefully with an open mind, the evidence speaks for itself
I want to THANK GOD for your CHANNEL that God can even use you who want to down play Gods ability HOW and WHO to use . Just like Josephs 10 brothers who meant it for bad GOD WILL ALWAYS WIN. Just a question if I look at Jesus back ground and also what He said ent that can be leaning more to my own understanding ? I'll honestly pray that God lead you back to His last day church
Isaiah 8:20; 1 John 4:2; Matthew 7:16; Jeremiah 28:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:20, 21; Luke 7:28-30
All you need instead of a long winded multi-part explanation looking at other books that aren't the Bible to prove basically biblical commentaries
Gee, you're right. I can take a few Bible verses, string them together, and poof -- nothing to see here!
@@TesttheProphet if you'd read them you'd see why
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I appreciate these presentations and so do many others so there’s that.