Is Seventh Day Adventism A Cult?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2019
- Michael Pearl gives additional thoughts on the Seventh-Day Adventist church, in answer to a question from a viewer.
Note: Mike answered this question in a previous video, but he ended up answering it again with some added thoughts.
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I was a Seventh Day Adventist for years as I grew up in a family that was SDA. I grew up parroting and arguing the same deception intellectually, but God gave me the grace to start noticing that something was off, and I was basically condemned by my families beliefs.
I remember signing the pledge with dread and fear in my heart after being baptised. I didn't want to but I was scared of my parents and I was only 13 so I obliged. I was traumatized by this paradigm and after becoming rebellious and leaving Christianity altogether, Jesus finally found me decades later and showed me mercy.
I could not be saved because I was not hearing the gospel, I was hearing the gospel mixed with Ellen White's authority and Sabbatarian doctrine, and we know Paul warns about other gospels that are not the gospel because of falsities and add-ons.
Thank goodness Jesus saved me years later in my dining room when two unknown pastors pitched up at my house after God orchestrated an unrelated situation that brought their arrival and the gospel being read. I had rejected Jesus for a long time, even said Christianity was a lie. I almost opened up a New Age business, but the Holy Spirit convicted me that day. He showed me my sins and how He died for my sinful nature and that He loves and forgives me because condemnation outside of Christ is real. He showed me that Jesus is in deed is my Savior and that He is the only cure for sin. Most of all, He showed me how much He really loves me. Salvation is truly a gift.
Now I am the one God is using in my family to share the pure gospel, and slowly but surely God is calling the adults in my family. He even uses me to pray for things they have no idea about when they are about to be attacked by the enemy, and because His love has helped me forgive I am only too happy to pray for them. I never imagined God could use me to do his work, especially because I was seen as the worst one where God's things were concerned by SDA standards.
That's how God works. All will know him form the least to the greatest as the book of Hebrews tells us.
Thanks for that testimony. It was a blessing to hear
Nice story. The only problem is that some people say "God gave them the grace that something was off" about mainstream Christianity, and that God led them into the SDA church. So at least one of you is wrong....in fact both of you might be wrong.
Thanks for your hard work brother! I see a lot of anger on this thread. We need to all come out of denominations and truly come together as The Body Of Christ!! The enemy camps are not divided, one sect doesn't say "well those free masons like to sacrifice their prey like this," and other sects recruit people to directly worship satan as deity, and the other saying "we worship Lucifer the light bearer who comes in peace, he's the great architect blah blah blah. No!!! The evil one just doesn't want us worshipping Jesus, because He is The Only Way!! We need to come together as a true church!!!!
Your delivery is of the spirit. Friendly, light hearted, yet not afraid to speak the truth. This is how you reach a person.
Im sry there has to be alot of missunderstandings brother, I am part of the Sda church and have been for 3 years now, I don`t recognize any of the arguments provided here... You should probably check other sources for more accurate info. Or maybe the Sda church in my country is different from over there.
Honestly, which is worse? Being labeled a cult, or Adventists labeling others (non-SDAs) as "apostate Christianity" or "Babylon"?
I'd rather be in the truth and called apostate by the sad cult. That is their M.O. but they simply are wrong and look at the bible thru EGW glasses
You are SO correct --- nosundaylaw
I’m glad you posted this as it became relevant to me recently. I attended a seminar at a local SDA church and met very nice people but the end times scriptures were interpreted very differently than what i have studied. Plus, Ellen White seemed like some sort of LDS figure like Joseph Smith
One of the main reasons why the prophetic interpretation will be differently is because you are probably used to hearing about the rapture and the seven year tribulation.
William Miller believed that Jesus would return in 1844 , but Ellen G White didn't warn anyone not to sell their possessions before the prediction failed. She wasn't just a false prophetess , but she was a false teacher whose legalistic teaching caused many to be deceived.
They are contemporaries of each other within a few (within 2 decades).
This gentleman is very, very well versed in SDA. Kudos.
That is exactly what I became aware of. Took my Bible to the seminars and their teachings didn't match up to the Bible, plus lots of prophecies by their founder that never came about. Reminds me of Joseph Smith, Russell Taze, Mary Baker Eddy, etc. All started in the early 1800's.
Study to show yourself approved! (2 Timothy 2:15). Read for yourself, study for yourself. Question what you don’t understand but don’t judge! We need to be in constant prayer for one another! God is STILL on the throne!
One thing my ears picked up on was the reference of the scapegoat. Im not a seventh day Adventist. I came to this video to understand more about them. Part of the problem I have with regular Sunday church in America is their lack of Hebraic understanding. If they had that, they would not be confused about the reference to the scapegoat. Messiah is not the scapegoat, He is the sacrificial Lamb.
Exactly. The reason this teaching is so misunderstood is because of a lack of understanding, or even interest, in the Sanctuary. It is clear people think the goat for azazel is the same as the lamb that was sacrificed, which would be the actual blasphemy.
its rare that a non- Adventist understands this point, which you apparently came to on your own. Good Job!
Messiah was not simply the sacrificial lamb and nothing else. He did it all! It was all about Him in the first place. He was indeed what the lamb offered up in atonement represented. He was also the bull that was slaughtered outside the gates of Jerusalem. He was the ultimate scapegoat who took away the sins of the world and descended into hades before conquering death itself. He is what the Passover was signifying. He is the fulfillment of the year of Jubilee. He is what the feasts and ceremonies were all pointing to. He is the true Israel. The Church is His bride, the New Jerusalem. The Old Testament and Covenants all pointed to the glorious fulfillment in Christ! 😊
All this to say, it's not a discrepancy to see Him fulfilling multiple parts of Lev. 16 and Heb. 9 😊
I ate some goat stew once, it tasted bad just like a goat smells
Worship the LORD everyday ..I'm good with that
Amen, according to Roman's 14:5-8, God makes a day sacred if you chose that day to worship Him. God didn't say worshipping on Sunday is sin. Even the Bible didn't say that Saturday is the correct Sabbath. NEVER!
Whether you have friends in the Seventh-Day Adventists are not priests the truth don't hold back if you love them tell them the truth God bless my brother thanks for your videos they've helped me alot
Hey Patriick, you may want to rephrase your sentence so it makes sense. And a minimal amount of punctuation may help you.
I’m 75. I don’t think this brother in intentionally deceiving people about Seventh-day Adventists but several of the things he says about adventists are not true of all adventist and some of the things he says are not true of any of the hundreds of adventists I have known well enough to learn their names.
I have a copy of Early Writings by Ellen White. I read that book when I was a boy and I think I would have remembered if it included anything about Jesus returning during the civil war. But I did re-read page 67 and that page doesn’t include anything about when Jesus would return.
There is no record that William Miller ever had a vision about when Jesus would return.
There was someone who had an epiphany in 1844 about the meaning of the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 but it wasn’t William Miller and it wasn’t Ellen White.
My parents were Seventh-day Adventists before I was born. They were adventist protestants. Dad sometimes recited a slogan he attributed to Martin Luther: “Only by grace, only through faith and only on the Holy Scriptures.”
One thing I did find on page 67 of Early Writings was this: “I recommend to you, dear reader, the word of God as the rule of your faith and practice.”
I’ve never met an adventist who referred to Ellen White’s writings as scripture.
Are there some adventists who, when they speak of Ellen White as inspired, mean that they think of themselves as followers of Ellen White?
I’m afraid that is true of SOME adventists. But when my parents spoke of Ellen White as inspired, the DIDN’T mean that everything she ever wrote was inspired and the DIDN’T mean that every bit of advice she gave to individuals in the nineteenth century was applicable to everyone in the twentieth century.
My parents - and thousands or tens of thousands of other adventists - subscribed to what I call the principle of prior reference - the principle that anything purported to be special revelation should be evaluated and interpreted by older revelation. Anyone who subscribes to that doctrine cannot be deceived by false prophets.
Was Jesus a prophet?
Many of the Hebrews rejected him as a prophet but it was because they compared his teachings with what they had been taught was the MEANING of the Hebrew Bible instead of studying the Hebrew prophets of antiquity for themselves.
Today, many Christians are making a similar mistake. Instead of interpreting the Gospels and the Epistles by the older Hebrew Bible, they try to interpret the Hebrew portions of the Bible by what they have been taught is the MEANING of the Gospels and the Epistles. Some even teach that Jesus MEANT the opposite of what he said!
One Lutheran told me that, if there is a doctrine Luther didn't teach, that doctrine isn’t important.
Do all Lutherans believe that?
One Lutheran told me that there are things he knows he must do if he doesn’t want to burn in hell.
Do all Lutherans believe that?
Likewise it would be better to not paint all adventists with the same broad brush.
Correct
Thanks so much for sharing these insights. God Bless
I'm sorry but I was baptized there this past October an I wasn't ask to accept her teachings.
U may have missed it, it is 1 of there 28 fundamental belief
@@andrewebanks306 it is not.
The believe in the gift of prophecy.
Yes it was manifested in her, but she herself even said that the Bible should be the bases of our faith. And any book or teachings that contradicts the Bible is not of God, and she included her writings to to be tested by the word.
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She created a doctrine called the investigative judgement. It's not a biblical doctrine. It was a doctrine created because prior to that doctrine, Christ was expected by many to come back but he didn't. The advent was expected but didn't happen, so a false prophecy happened.
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Also, the teaching that hell is not eternal punishment is contrary to the scriptures. Unquenchable fire, eternal destruction, eternal punishment, these are the terms used by the scriptures to define hell.
Juana Garibay -Its vow no 8 which all of us have to confess we are baptized "Do you accept the teachings of the Gift of Prophecy (EGW) which is one of the identifying mark of the remant church" That is SDA fundamental belief No 18 This doctrine is attached to her
I have her writings I checked I do not see any thing about the civil war and Christ return. Early Writings p.67 os about the 7 last plagues and the vision about the Glory of heaven, I request you to kindly check her writings before you talk about it.
After reading through all these comments look the only one thing that matters period is christ nothing else PERIOD!!!!!!
Great statement.
Ellen White said the same thing all her life.
Thank you explaining the important points to pay attention to w/regards to the doctrines & beliefs in the SDA church. I attended a Pentecostal church for 10+yrs - started to watch SDA videos & decided to attend a local SDA church. I like the idea that in many ways SDA's steer clear of secular ideologies or so I thought. The body of Christ is being infiltrated by perversion on a scale that likely exceeds the sins of the ppl who lived & died in Sodom & Gomorrah. I have recently discovered that the SDA leaders are not exempt from the woke mindset that is permeating the air we breath. I have come to the realization that no church organization is worthwhile spending my time with. Not to discredit the greater church which is the body of Christ... its disheartening to see how deeply the church has been deceived by the adversary... it hurts.
Can you please make a video on what God's church is
My boyfriend is SDA and he’s never pressured me to join his religion but I decided to do some research on it since it’s such a big part of his life. As a Christian I
love that we connected through Christ but I’m a bit confused, I don’t want to join a cult. I don’t want to abide by rules I don’t believe in. The book of revelations used to scare the crap out of me as a kid and listening him speak about it puts that same fear in me. I don’t want to end the relationship because we don’t follow the exact same teachings but I don’t think I can be a SDA.
What’s more important a relationship with a guy or eternity with Christ?
Remember what the word says , you cannot be unequally yoked with someone who holds different vital beliefs. There has to be an agreement between you too before you become one flesh , I’m afraid for your sake that he might reel you into this cultish denomination. I would recommend you to tell him to search for the truth no matter what in scripture and test Ellen g whites Spirit and if goes against the Word of God tell him to leave.
There is clearly resistance in the union of this relationship. You’ll are surely unequally yoked. Believers are warned concerning this, and your case is undoubtedly what the Bible talks about.!
*Revelation (singular)
I used to date a seventh day adventist and I unsderstand your point. The issue is if you want to marry you'll have to join the sda church if not they are going to take away his membership. My recommendation is to inform yourself of Ellen White's teachings and tell him that she is wrong. If he doesn't listen to you and continues to be an sda then you should end the relationship. I know it hurts but we can't be unequally yoked with a church that alters the word of God.
Coat .. we dont live under the old testament
But under the testament of Jesus .
So it's there a difference there ?
I am not saying we must
But I am just asking if there is a difference in the old and new ?
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Yes this is why the followers of the way learn from.
Jeremiah 6:16 The Ancient Paths and
Zephaniah 3:9 A clean lip
Loving YHWH ELOHIM
Sadly I have heard a commentary on 3 ABN that YHWH
was a false teaching . Sent them info on this and
never heard back. Keeping an ear on this.
I wish I could stay home and clean and make biscuits and gravy for my husband and sons. Oh how I wish🎁
I like it, every day worship Jesus!!! Amen.
The question is would Christ ask the question this video is asking?
The big problem with the 7th Day folks is that they will tell you that if you go to any church that meets on Sunday, you won't be saved. I left that church 3 years ago and I'm glad I did.
That';s not true.
How would you explain Revelation 20:1-10
Sda does not believe that satans gone rain for 1000 yr
SDAs believe that Satan alone will be on the earth for 1000 years and that the millenial reign of Christ will be in heaven. They are totally wrong on this and many other ridiculous teachings. I dont know which bible they get these teachings from. The KJV dont teach errors like that.
Simple, clean and on point! Thank you sir.
Is this comment published or was I blacklisted?
The questions they ask in order to be baptized sound remarkable similar to the questions I was asked years ago when I was baptized at the Mennonite church I grew up in.
This man has no idea what Seventh-day Adventist teach.
Very true! A total application of selective memory on his part.
I left the SDA long ago!
8:21 ... but wait, there’s more! 😆
Very well explained Michael, I have wrangled with those who adhere to other cults as well, such as the Mormons and the JW's (let alone Catholicism) - I would say the "kill shot' for these Christian cult's is how they all have their own rendition of the Holy Bible > The Clear Word bible for the SDA's; The Book of Mormon(ism) for the Mormon's {with ties to Freemasonry}... and The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures for the JW's {w/ ties to the Freemason's too} --- these translations are heretical perversions of the original {Hebrew/Greek} manuscripts that tell of a "different gospel" by a different messiah... it's all a satanic deception at the end of the day.
Please do keep your ministry running hot for the Lord in these last days brother... you're rewards will be great indeed - God bless you and your's immensely :)
Don’t forget about SDA’s “prophet” Ellen White
The Bible of Adventist is not Clear Word. That was an individual's book. I use KJV. Second of all read Mathew 15:3-9
What church should we be attending?
Go to a church that exalts Jesus and gives ALL GLORY to HIM
The one nearest to you
Err I was baptized in a SDA church and I recognize some of the Jargon but the interpretation is wrong. Their eschatology of Sunday worship as a mark of the beast is after the anti Christ enforces Sunday worship. There is a denomination that claims proof of their authority is changing the solemnity from Sabbath to Sunday The ten commandment is unique from the other commandments of Moses because it was written by the finger of God twice in stone. Why only Keep nine? As far as Ellen G White her sin may be that she failed to rebuke people who called her a prophetess as I read her denial of being a prophet. Anyway don't believe Ellen G White unless you do Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Seventh Day Adventists are Christians too. Christians need to stop tearing each other down and pray for each other. No one is perfect.
Actually they are not. They do not have the assurance of salvation and they raise a false prophet to biblical levels
But you should strive to be
So it's ok to teach that Hell is not eternal, that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, that 'Investigative Judgement' is a biblical teaching which occurred in 1844.
Their "prophet" claims with a "thus say the Lord" that the door of mercy was shut in the 1840s. Meaning nobody else could be saved.
They pivoted using their "present truth" doctrine which is merely prophetic relativism.
They are NOT Christians. They are some straight up Romans 10:2-3 types
I agree, and my major problem with Adventism is it does this quite aggressively.
I don't know about SDAvendents , but I know many sabbath keeper's who eventually deny that Jesus is God. So I think old law keepers are like bad fruit trees, STAY AWAY from blasphemers.
Anytime you add to the Gospel, you've defined a cult.
Nice and sincere doesn't commend us to God. You must be born again. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and live a clean and a Godly life
Lots of misunderstandings in your perspectives. I don’t disagree with everything. But your views are incorrect about 2/3rds of what you stated they believe.
Thanks, now I understand!!!!!😇🙌🙏
The spirit behind SDA is one that seeks to draw a person away from freedom in Christ; though a person might be saved despite it. I would hope that the majority of saved people caught up in SDA would love truth enough to eventually leave, though not everybody is at the same point on their journey. My SDA colleague at work is obsessed with the investigative judgement, as if that is the main foundation of his faith over the Gospel.
Is there a Judgement?
Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."
Revelation 20:11-12,15 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
The Bible is very clear.
As a Adventist myself, I am not sure where he gets his his information but to be baptized you do not have to accept Ellen white. Ellen white is not held over the Bible. And the reference about Jerusalem not being built is not taken in its full context because it’s in reference to the temple being rebuilt on the mount, and as of today there is no temple. Please check out Adventist beliefs for yourself and check out the program IT IS Written, I promise we are bible based, not based on Ellen white or millerite movement.
Also, why is it that only the sabbath is abolished and not the whole Ten Commandments? God calls us to worship on the day he established at the beginning of time long before there were Jews or Christians
@@noahbanks3876 it was impossible to keep the Sabbath. You are only allowed to pray, focus on scripture. No work including cooking, turning on the heat, even picking up a twig.
I have been invited to a Jehovahs witness hall. I'm not sure if I should go.
Anytime a person's name tries to rise above christ 😢
Doesn't Paul say if any man proclaim false scripture let him be accursed? That satan can appear aan angel of lights, etc.?
I've been an SDA my whole life. My Grandfather was and SDA Pastor. I went to SDA private schools and I am baptized SDA. I dont agree with most of what your saying.
Sda is a cult! Just like the Mormons and the JW
Elaborate! What did he say that wasn't true?
I agree with Mike. Sister White said some pretty strange things. I was raised in the church as well, although my father was not a pastor.
im currently sda newly to the church. i however dont follow anything ellen g white nor have i read any of her books.
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One kooky thing is EW vain imagination of what sabbath is about and which day and yet you don’t follow the sabbath as Jesus would have in His day (otherwise in their minds they would have been justified to kill Him for breaking the law)
JESUS BURDEN IS EASY AND HIS YOKE IS LIGHT
I’m the temple of the Holy Spirit
I sabbath daily and regularly
ISRAEL those who follow the Shepard wherever He goes
no longer hold to Jewish tradition of Friday dusk to Saturday dusk
You want too you can but you’ll be judged by the entire thing
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”
1 John 4:1-2
I would like to ask the door a question. How do you know when to repent and why do you repent if you haven't got the 10 commandments.
I am understanding that we are the 3rd Temple of God? I was a member of seventh day Adventists. I am really blessed since I enter into the Sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset
How do you keep the Sabbath if you're traveling to the SDA church on Saturdays?
@@jeremyheintz1479 This doesn’t make any sense
@sullyk5310 read Leviticus and Deuteronomy on the laws of the sabbath and you’ll understand why you can’t travel. God Bless you.
I love God and Jesus Christ with all my heart...the most important END TIME date for me is when I am done doing a task or project such as the laundry and or work, and its time to do another one, then time for bed...other than that, if I focus on the end of the world too much I tend to get so depressed I can't do anything.
Very bold and well sanctioned. "I am the way, the truth and the life."[Jesus]. Word of God closed with the book of revelation. No more additions or deletions. The result is in the last few verses of the Holy Bible.
I'm not a SDA but it seems like they really just try to follow the teachings of the Bible. Try to follow commandments and follow Jesus and have faith in him. And thats a good thing 🤷♀️
On closer inspection by the trained bible person they don't. That is why they can easily fool people.
You got one thing wrong there Michael:
A prophet who made a prediction that did not happen was not to be feared (not stoned to death).
But if they made a prediction, and it came true, then they said to go and worship other gods, or they spoke in the name of other gods - THEN they were to be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 13:1-5, 18:20-21
They appear to know scripture, what I don't agree with is that every time they have a chance they quote Ellen White instead of the KJV bible.
Allowing a false prophet to have authority EQUAL to scripture over the church, is not knowing scripture
That's what I thought 🤫🤐
Galatians 1:6-12 King James Version (KJV)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
So you think any day of the week could be our Lords Sabbath ?
There are no holy days in the New Covenant. Saturday is the old covenant Sabbath. That is not disputed by anyone. Therefore, don’t anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.”
Colossians 2:16
“You are observing special days, months, seasons, and years. I am fearful for you, that perhaps my labor for you has been wasted.” Galatians 4:10-11
“One person judges one day to be more important than another day. Someone else judges every day to be the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.”
Romans 14:5
“Jesus responded to them, “My Father is STILL WORKING, and I am WORKING also”. This is why the Jews began trying all the more to kill him: Not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, makingi himself equal to God.” John 5:17-18. Note that it is the Apostle John who is stating that Jesus broke the Sabbath.
JWs don’t like this passage because it’s a clear statement of Jesus’ divinity and SDAs don’t like it because it states that Jesus broke the Sabbath. The inescapable thing is that you cannot have a divine Jesus unless he broke the Sabbath.
The New Testament command to gather is “And let us consider one another in order to provoke love and good works, not neglecting to gather together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day approaching.” Hebrews 10:24-25. The day of gathering and the frequency are not specified.
Short answer: No
I was in 7th Day Adventist & it's the same Gospel of JESUS & HIS Blood,the Cross
I THINK religions like these exist so GOD primarily then we can see if we are check the beam in our eye & not the speck in their eyes.
If they are wrong about Sabbath & kosher etc WE are wrong about stuff probably worse or same things etc.
NO they don't say satan gonna reign but be bound for the 1000 years.
Inverted cross?
Mostly every time I ask popular SDA about their MOTB Saturday claim, my comments are erased. The only time one engaged, he refused to acknowledge the calendar today does not align when Jesus walked the Earth and simply kept repeating seven days is seven days. I have seen no SDA show the Sabbath day has been changed and the "Jews" changed their calendar to align with Rome to go along with Rome changing times.
Thanks brother
I was raised and baptized SDA and attended the church school until grade 8 as well. I still haven't committed to another church though I haven't attended regularly for many years. I agree with this picture of the Adventist church, in that it leans less on these fundamentals and when directly asked, my elders seemed uncomfortable and maybe embarrassed. However, though the church teachings are dictated and overseen by conferences and unions, the individual churches do vary in the extremes. I grew up in a pretty neutral church in Dover, DE, and also attended a couple large churches in WA that were the same. I also attended a couple that were a little scary. So, while every church has it's problems and we are all coming together to learn and study God's plan, the fundamental beliefs held by the church are pretty important.
PS..
EVERY day is Sabbath.
(If you wanna play church on Saturday or Sunday.. go ahead.)
wrong, if you keep Sabbath every day you are just lazy. Sabbath is about physical rest from your work as well as spiritual rest. Read Exodus chapter 20.
My experience has been rule and regulations as far as keeping all the commandments. This is not an option because your salvation depends on it. As far as I’m concerned and what I know scripture says is that salvation is a gift of God at the cost of his only Son.
SDA'S hammer the Sabbath and the 10 commandments. Not much else . I don't think they understand spiritual experiences. Don't think they have a personal relationship with Jesus . They are stuck in the Old Testament .
@@janetdavidson8798 My experience with them has been the complete opposite, heavily NT doctrine with foundational references from OT. I've been attending an SDA church for a couple months now, and I agree with them in many areas. I'll never be baptized SDA because they require affirmation of EGW's writings as divinely inspired, but I do agree with their practice of holding congregation on the Sabbath. To be clear, I don't believe that keeping the Sabbath or any other commandment is an issue of salvation, and neither does this specific SDA church for that matter. Whether or not that's an SDA denomination doctrine I'm not certain. This church specifically preaches that even though we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, the willingness to keep the commandments as best we are able shows that you have been reborn in the spirit. I believe that aligns well with what Paul said about our relationship with the laws of God after the wages of our sins were paid in full by Jesus Christ. Also, Jesus said we should follow Him, and He kept all of God's laws including Sabbath-keeping.
When I was baptized in the Sda church they didn’t tell me that if I don’t believe in Ellen g white I won’t be baptized… maybe in other churches but not all of them are like that .iam just now investigating more about this women because my pastor barely mentions her.
Sabbath is Friday evening till Saturday evening. Roman Catholic church changed it period
No they didn't
Don't be a Judizier
Repent A Option - are you a legalist?
Colossians 2:16-17 - King James Version
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Romans 10:3-4 - King James Version
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 7:4-6 - King James Version
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The gospel of salvation - how to be saved for sure!
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we make Him Lord of our life.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we repent and get baptized.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we fear God and work righteousness.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we confess our sins and ask for His forgiveness.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we receive Him as our personal savior.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we believe He died for our sins.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we invite the Lord into our heart.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we receive the Eucharist of holy communion.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we keep the commandments and sell our possessions.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we forgive those who have trespassed against us.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we stop sinning.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we walk the isle and join the church.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we pray the sinners prayer.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we are confirmed.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we deny ourself, take up our cross and follow Him.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we observe Yom Kippur.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we endure unto the end.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we kneel at an old fashioned altar and cry a hot scalding bucket of tears.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if while listening to "Just as I am" we decide to walk the isle and give our heart to the Lord.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we pray the rosary.
The gospel is not "Christ died for our sins" if we DO ANYTHING!
Don't pervert it by adding to it.
The gospel is found in 1 Corinthians chapter 15:1-4. "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel... By which also ye are saved,... how that Christ died for our sins... he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
Just keep it simple. (2 Corinthians 11:3)
God says salvation is found through faith in the finished cross-work and resurrection (Ephesians 2:8-9.)
It is only faith that can justify and count for our righteousness.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4:5)
Salvation is not getting our sins forgiven, it's believing they already are!
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That's right, and from that location, Santa will come.
On a serious note, I have a brother who is part of an super Chief apostle cult where Chief apostle Eric VonAnderseck saw the head of enoch at the foot of his bed.
Last time I read the Bible, Jesus Is the Only Chief Apostle
I mean, many of her writings are being fulfilled. Also she exalts Jesus. She also writes about it, her writings shouldn’t be exalted and put aside the Bible. She encourages to form a relationship with Him by reading the scriptures. “Steps to Christ” “Desire of Ages” “Christ object Lessons” these are just silent preachers to help those who yet don’t understand the Bible. Many of her writings are bible based. She always states bible verses compared to other “prophets”!
She was a false prophet. There are no prophets anymore in this dispensation (Hebrews 1:1).
Why was the Sabbath changed from Saturday as most protestants have..? Why did christians start the trinity belief in the third CENTURY? Why was Jesus considered divine when born a human born a human...that would make him a demi god like hurcules and zeus..is Jesus simply a mythological character of gr
Very well said
The thing that should be asked is: Which Christians keep the HOLY DAYS of the Bible, and not man's holidays that 90% of the world keeps today...Saturday IS the sabbath...always has been since Moses' Laws from God...also the Holy Days need to be kept...I think many SDAs still celebrate christmas and easter instead of Passover/Day of Atonement...
That is not my takeaway about what’s most important at all.
Commandments?
Old pa', read the Word and obey it all the time, not just when you like it... Ask Jesus for guidance and you will see that, Sda peopleform the people that do the commandments of God!
yeah okay all that is crazy. however are they not wrong about the Sabbath?
Yes they are wrong. There is no biblical command for Christians to observe the Sabbath
No Jason, The Bible Sabbath was the seventh day. (the Jews still keep) I think the first calendar to have Sunday as the 7th day only came out in 1970s. You can argue that you holy Sunday for many reasons. But no Biblical proof of Sunday keeping.
I think that he is honest in intention but his representation of the beliefs of SDAs is waay off. At least you should truthfully represent a belief system that you criticize. She did NOT name the planet with seven moons, others who heard her thought it was Saturn.
You mention one prophecy by David Wilkerson that you say didn't happen and you label him a false prophet? The Catholic church has persecuted Protestants for many years, including Pentecostals. As a matter of fact no member of the Christian Church has been persecuted more than Pentecostals. What about Wilkerson predicting the VCR, children divorcing their parents, the covid plague, the riots in our cities, the burning of our cities, and a host of other prophecies he got right. David Wilkerson was a genuine Man of God. We could sure use some more like him now.
I listen to David Wilkerson but I have not read his books. I think I have heard him say that he is not a prophet and doesn't claim to be. Are those just things that he thought God showed him would happen but not exactly a prophecy? (I actually don't see why it couldn't still happen though)
Many of these claims about SDAS' are taken out of context. Jesus is the door. Not any human beings.
Not Baptist, EGW and many others came from the Methodists.
there is no difference between the old and the new testament other than the method of sacrifice, repentance, and other shadows related to the Messiah, that is why Yahshu/Jesus was called the Lamb of God, and only the ordinances related to Messiah's shadows were nailed to the cross (colo 2:14-17), and also the circumcision:
(I Corinthians 7:19) *Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of יהוה.*
(Psalms 89:34) *My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of My lips.*
(Malachi 3:6) *For I am יהוה, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.*
(Hebrews 13:8) *YAHUSHUA the Messiah the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.*
(John 7:16-17) *YAHUSHUA answered them, and said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me. If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of יהוה, or whether I speak of Myself.*
(John 5:30) *I can of Mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent Me.*
(John 5:24) *Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.*
(Hebrews 10:16) *This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith יהוה, I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;* (see heb 8:10, jer 31:33)
If you're wrong about the Sabbath and don't keep the Sabbath and teach others that the law of God is done away with Jesus said you will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, he does not say you won't be saved, you will just be the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven. and we will eventually keep the Sabbath, even forever as a perpetual covenant for all generations as it says in the bible, I'm not a SDA and don't need to be, but to teach folks not to keep the Sabbath is like teaching them it's ok to break any other commands of God , he took away the animal sacrifices that's what he was saying, everyone will even keep the Sabbath along with the rest of God's Holy-days , which the Sabbath is only one of 7 Feasts of The Lord, we are not dumb
Worship the Lord every day and night. Amen
@@shirlycasalena5919 You’re not getting the point
May I borrow one comment earlier to strike deeper the point he made. "A cult is defined as a group that has secret doctrine - Adventists have no such thing. Call us a cult, who cares. Our job is to preach that Jesus is coming back. There's nothing secret about that. EGW gave her entire life from the age of 16 onward to serve in the vineyard. What have you done? Throughout the years critics love to call her a false prophet yet are unable to prove it."
The Sunday law is a phantom . The Investigative judgement is a false teaching of EGW and more. Many of her doctrines contradict the Bible .
The Bible condemns ALL who add to the Bible. Sola Scriptura
She was not a prophet as there are no more. And she has been wrong many times further the Bible says women should NOT preach.
@@xxxxx262 even if most prophesies come true , the Bible says if only one didn't , it's a false prophet . The Sunday law and investigative judgement are a phantom . Both false teachings of EGW . No scripture to support either one . EGW was a fraud .
I'm a Seventh day Adventist, and was Baptized by them, they said no such thing as to go Ellen White's writing's, The just did the Baptize as it was in the Bible, They said that you do not have to believe in Ellen White's teaching's, I got into with them about Ellen being a false profit, and I only go by the Bible, They didn't argue to much about that., At least that what my Church did, they said nothing about following Ellen White, Only if you choose to, I chose not to, God Bless.
P.S. They are trying to get away from Ellen White.
No matter what denomination you are in it will still be Gods choice on who goes to heaven or hell. Not one Christian religion has the only road to salvation the (road is through jesus) we all have on dirty rags in his eyes.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
King James Version
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Best answer on the whole article here. SDA hell bent on Sabbath and seem not worried much about the rest. Probably cause their name is SDA
We aren't suppose swear to anything
I was raised as an Adventist but I’m converting to Orthodoxy☦️
good luck
If it is not about Jesus Christ, it is not about GOD.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15-18
SDA Church is a ?
Cult
So many things your saying is wrong about seventh day Adventist I’m sorry my brother but you really need to have a righteous judgement and not judge based on appearance . I’m so happy I became one and love watching these videos that try to Debunk the church it’s makes me do more research and actually have more faith !
I know - so true. I became much stronger in my faith listening to the naysayers.
Your founder was a false prophet.
I was raised SDA. I would say that it would definitely fall under the parameters of a cult. Many leaders saix that Ellen G white's writings were not holy like the Bible but a majority treated them as such, and would say as such. Especially her book like Patriarchs and Prophets. They would teach us that we were the one true religion and that we would be persecuted in the end for worshiping on Saturday. They warned us to prepare and flee to the mountains. I was raised and went to the schools all the way till High School. It was a lot of paranoia and prepping. Thankfully I didn't go to one of their colleges. Sometimes I think they would take the Bible a little too literally or her writings too literally. I do agree, the food was good but being raised in that Society was miserable. I would say they're up to par with Mormons and Jehovah's Witness on the cult level. Not as bad as some but not as innocent as they seem to be.
Thanks for sharing. I just wanted to say sorry for the way you have been treated. It's really a bad thing when people take the name of God in vain by how they act. I've had some terrible things happen to me by some who use the name SDA to cover their private sin. In the end God will vindicate the innocent. He will vindicate His name and the truth, and His people the innocent ones.
Miller calculated the days in Daniel's prophecy and that's how he came to 1844. And I didn't have to take a pledge about Ellen White, nor was I approached with a pledge. To sum up SDA's, they keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the spirit of prophecy. They proclaim the 3 angel's messages and the Everlasting Gospel. We are not a cult. The people worried about their daughter dating a SDA? They should be thankful. VERY thankful, because he would be very good to her.
Which commandments? Does keeping them save you or the blood of Jesus?
@@bonnieol All of the Ten plus all the words of Jesus. The blood of Jesus saves us. But we are to not live in hate and sin. But love and caring for others. We are saved by Grace alone through faith alone. When you are born again and come to love others. Then you find love works.
Keeping the biblical Sabbath is nearly impossible. Can't cook, turn on the heat or AC, can't travel more than a mile to temple, can't even pick up a twig.
@@jeremyheintz1479 it is not about not being able to do anything. It is the day were you rest mind, body and soul and do your best to connect to God through His Scriptures, through nature, lending a hand to the poor. Jesus cured the ill and performed miracles on the Sabbath while the pharisees were judging Him for it claiming He was in the wrong.
I am a Christian and do love your programs but, there are more to our earth n planets than we are told by our scientific community.
I am an SDA, I am thankful for your kind spirit BUT some of your research is off. In the 28 fundamentals we are called to believe in the prophetic gift. We do not have to accept EG White as a prophet even though many do. In her own words we are not to make her writing a. "test of fellowship." In other words you can be an SDA an not accept her writings. There's much more re mark of the beast, questioning EGW, the investigative judgment etc that you are not expressing correctly. It would be good if you had a knowledgeable SDA pastor to explain. I think it would help. I do thank you again for your intent to be kind and your fondness for SDA's is appreciated. May God continue to lead us as we prepare for His soon return.
Amen! Thank you
Yes i use to go to there Church, really nice people.... I have nothing bad to say about them... You'll never go to a modern Church that keeps the Sabbath. Might be a few
But there very big organization. And yes i even told i don't follow
Ellen White, and believe in her books, and i would never agree to her prediction.... Shalom achi
As you scorn the old testament I am being alienated from you as followers of the way
understand that Torah is not done away with . See surmon on the mount.
I am seeing the influence of the betrayal of the word by the Greek
and the Church starting with IGNATIOUS The Self appointed 1st Bishop at the Council of Jerusalem who coined the word Christian and began the at Start / of "Church" and the Catholic deceptions just began.
Narrow is the way and hard to find.
EGW didn't create the 7th Day Adventist church. This can easily be proven. The fundamental statements of beliefs which were written in 1980 were alien to the original pioneer teachings especially in relation to fundamental doctrines 2 and 4 which were never part of the beliefs of the early pioneers of the movement. Fact that EGW has been set up as a sort of 3rd canon of scripture is unbiblical and runs contrary to her own counsel with regard to the use of her writings. This can also be easily proven. What can also be proven is the fact that even though EGW was inspired by God under certain circumstances she was not infallible. Case in point in the beginning she was very legalistic and later after hearing the 1888 Message of Christ righteousness from AT Jones and EJ Waggoner she grew in the knowledge of righteousness by faith without the works of the law. Yet to my knowledge she never actually corrected or explained the Apostle Paul's position in Roman 4 in relation to what was stated in James regarding works and faith. The two positions cannot be reconciled for certain reasons which will not be covered in this brief exposition.
The result is that the denomination might promote the concept of righteousness by faith without the works of the law by giving lip service to the doctrine but ever since the rejection of 1888 you hear many SDAs using James as well and they will be stating that its by faith and works and this simply is not true since the Pauline position on the subject matter is properly laid out in Ephesians 2:8-10. The works that we do were prepared by God from beforehand that we may walk in them. So basically speaking everything comes from God even our good works.
She also stated that Jones and Waggoner were in fact given that message by God and that these two men were God's delegated Messengers with regard to that teaching which was based on the book of Galatians. Fact is that the majority of the leadership rejected that Message back in 1888 and EGW warned that from that period onward the church would have to watch carefully since the devil would come in with false teachings. This warning was never heeded and today we have seen the results on account of the fact that a proper exposition of the truth has never been given. When the SDA Evangelical Conferences came along in 1955-56 the SDA representatives stated that the Evangelicals helped them to explain their doctrine and that the matter of the cleansing of the Sanctuary in relation to a second Atonement was a question of semantics.
The concept of the Investigative Judgement is non biblical and has nothing to do with the doctrine of the cleansing of the Sanctuary. This doctrine was later brought in as an addition to the cleansing of the Sanctuary which is in fact a biblical doctrine. Miller's chronology was in fact correct but what was not correct was the belief of planet earth being the Sanctuary which was to be burned with fire. The early Millerite Advent movement actually spawned about 4 or 5 different groups. The one that became 7th Day Adventists were the ones that studied the Sanctuary in Leviticus 16 and arrived at the correct conclusion that the Sanctuary was the Tabernacle that was cleansed once a year from the records of forgiven sins.
No one is righteous. .....read the bible and pray for wisdom and understanding of the word. Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find...
Not to many men want women home making...I'm a old school. Not lazy, just know my place is home.
Thanks to JEHOVAH our God through Jesus christ that I was BAPTIZE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR MY MESSIAH. HE IS THE LIFE OF MY LIFE AND ALSO THE SON OF JEHOVAH OUR GOD. I WAS NOT BAPTISM TO BE A MEMBER OF ENNY CHURCH OR HUMANS DISIPLE BLESS
May the holy spirit guide you to know the truth. Delete what u dont like from sister White but accept the truth. God bless
If one part of the doctrine is corrupt, it all is.
I have never said a oath to keep EGW writings since I got baptized even other Adventist would agree...you are just seeking attention to spoil a church
if someone asked me about the SDA there would be nothing crickets
if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is
I sure appreciate the honesty in this video. There are many misconceptions and exceptions that were overlooked and quite possibly unknown to this gentleman. But with all due respect, how can someone make fun of, or point out in the way he did about Enoch being on Saturn or Jupiter (yes she said that) and out of the same mouth teach star wars, space ships and aliens? And notice my pic of the High Priest laying hands on the scapegoat? The teacher in the video makes it sound like SDA's believe Jesus didnt die for our sins. We surely believe that he did. But the sanctuary model teaches the plan of salvation, and the scapegoat is not Christ. Christ saved sinners, but the final penalty will also be felt by the originator of sin. Those who are rebellious and lost will pay for their own sins. I will say though, that EGW is dead on about end times, and how they play out with the rulers of lands and the churches. Its happening just as she said. The apostles thought that Jesus was going to rule in their day, they were sure of it, but they were mistaken. Were they not any less inspired because they had a false hope? No, they were still Christs. They had to have major attitude adjustments before they knew truth. Same rule applies to EGW.