Thank you Dr Baker for this very insightful presentation. To me it was quite reassuring and shows that despite being one of God's greatest servants, Ellen White was just as human as everyone else and subject to life , its trials, tribulations and challenges to an even greater degree than many of us would ever imagine. I too am having struggles in my marriage but I can say with confidence that when I put God first and seek His providence, the burdens of life become much easier to endure. God bless.
Thank you for another glimpse into the history of the pioneers. Ellen and James White were humans who endured pressure and resistance on every hand from not only Satan but also, the members of the church. Yes, they had struggles like we all do but because they loved God first and foremost, their love for each other endured. That is the take-away from this for me.
@Mike Flanagan Sunday is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere. Stop trying to create confusion. "the DAILY Sacrifice" was daily. The pope and you Jesuits have put a lot of effort into what you are doing. It's all deception, taking verses out of context and adding things that are not there. But God wins in the end. But you Jesuits don't realize that Hell "is not a place". You will not reign beside Satan there, no matter what he has promised you. Hell is death. Not a place. Catholics have also perverted this. I feel sorry for you, knowing what your end is. The original Hebrew word for Hell is "Sheol", which is mentioned sixty-five times. Sheol is translated as "the grave". Hell is "the grave", not some place where Satan and his followers rule over sinners forever as the Catholics teach. Your time is short. You know this. Around 2030 the Jesuits believe. 2000 years from Adam to Abraham 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus 2000 years from Jesus death to 2nd coming. 2030 - 2034 is what the Pope and his Jesuits believe. They know their time is short. The Pope wants the Sunday law by 2027, using climate change to enforce it.
@Mike Flanagan He said that to the Pharisees inventing laws that were not of God ignorant! Are you saying that God was saying Sabbath keepers were evil for doing what God commanded the Israelites to keep? You’re literally deluded and backwards.
@Mike Flanagan doing religious duties on Sunday doesn't make it holy. Show a verse that speaks of the 1st day of the week in the same sanctified words as the 7th day of the week.
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
gracias Dr. Benjamin, le escribo en mi idioma natal desde las alturas de un pais andino, su presentacion fue magistral, tambien gracias a Dios y mi madre que de niño, me dijo que el idioma ingles algun dia seria una puerta abierta para saber mas cosas.
I always tell people that husband's and wives should each have their separate rooms and spend time alone. It would make them miss, think of, and love each other; saving their marriages. I have my own room, which keeps me at miss. As humans, each of us needs our own space. This doesn't mean we don't disagree, but when we do, we can each go in our own space to think, speak and pray to God.
David was a man after Gods own heart yet while under temptation fell under the curse of sin. This and other failures of Bible patriarchs and prophets God never chose to hide from us in his word. These ensamples were given to us for our admonition. All these distractions are being used to derail us from our heavenly reward. Let’s turn our eyes onto Jesus and Jesus only for all else have sinned and fell short of the glory. Let’s do as the prophets say to do and not as they have sometimes done, for in doing so we do Gods will not the prophets will.
But Edson White became a powerful tool for The Lord in helping with the ministries in the South east. The General Conference had prejudice against our black brothers and sisters and Sister White warned The School of Madison not to join the Conference and to remain a independent ministry. She also said that the school of Madison should not seek acreditacion with the government or the world. After She died the schools leaders disregarded her warnings and God removed His blessing and the school went down the drain
Really feel a connection with James White I'd never felt before, seeing the stresses he was going through, having had several strokes, and how he had such trust and faith in God. Not taking sides at all, have always loved Ellen White. I can see the providence of God in these letters being revealed. They are a blessing.
Children who are old enough to comprehend the subject matter of this letter from Ellen re being obedient should be able to pay attention to the presentation, However, these letters and the circumstances of absentee parenting are leaning towards emotional and spiritual abuse. The Whites did not practice what they taught. If James mind was so disaffected by the strokes, it sounds as if he was detrimental to The Organization. Were there not other persons of responsibility to deal with him stepping or slowing down?
“What you pay attention to grows”.... thanks for the information I hope that we will meet all those who gave their lives to Jesus will be in His kingdom, incomplete human as we are, made complete in Jesus.
Let's clear the Sabbath issue up once and for all. The apostles kept the Sabbath after Jesus rose! Luke, "a Greek physician", (not a Jew), wrote the Gospel of Luke around A.D. 60 and called the Sabbath by it's God given name and never said the 1st day of the week was anything other than a regular work day. He could have said, "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross", but he didn't. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. PROOF, They kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died! Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. Notice the, "spices which they had prepared"? They prepared the spices but the Sabbath drew near and they didn't have time to embalm Jesus. So they waited until after the Sabbath. They kept the Sabbath according to the commandment, then went to embalm Jesus after the Sabbath. Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. Moses law (placed in a book on the side of the Ark) was a law of ordinances. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged onto it, but not the Law of God). Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. What I see in these threads is a line between the sheep and the goats. While the sheep hear the Masters voice and follow Him The goats are stubborn and refuse to surrender their will to the will of God, even fighting against His holy law, just like Satan did Some say Jesus gave us "new commandments". Can we find the supposedly "new" commandments in the old testament. I believe so. Because it's not new. It has been there from the beginning. "New" Commandments in the old testament Deuteronomy 6:5 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.” Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.”
@Mike Flanagan I guess the word Christian means "Christ Like" i.e. Live like Christ lived. Christ kept the Sabbath and so do all the Apostles including Paul after his conversion, the very one (Paul) that you use for your authority to break the holy commandment of God. Christ did not constitute Sunday worship but did constitute the Holy Communion service and after His death at calvary nothing could be added or removed from the new covenant. Sunday Worship was not baptized into the Christian service not until after the death of Jesus and the All the Apostles of Christ. Choose to follow Christ example by doing as he did or follow man. Sunday Worship is an offence to God ( Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men). Food for thought: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews
@Mike Flanagan Col 2:14-17 talks about the ceremonial sabbaths which were pointing to Jesus who himself was the real sacrifice for us. But the 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow coz it was constituted when there was no such thing as sin but the shadows came because of sin. The Issue is not whether you are Catholic or Adventist but it's all about conversion, when you are truly converted You leave your Bad habits and do God's will. Obedience does not save you but it's a lifestyle of someone who's being saved. A Christian always does what God says. I kindly request you to write down the verse (s) which commands a change from Sabbath to Sunday. God bless you
@Mike Flanagan This reply does not show anything like someone who's seeking for truth but someone so much determined to remain in what he believes regardless whether true or false. I'm out of here, bye bye for now.
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
Sister in Christ, Ellen White had to have a separate bedroom because she had a visitor whom she called " My accompanying Angel" visit her during the wee hours of the morning, and "Father" (that's how she called James) was fully aware of that. And do you know who that "Accompanying Angel was? I'll give you a hint: It was not God.
They were not "at each other's throat"!! As you used those words pertaining to them. Yes there were difficulties but primarily because of health problems. God was with them in a mighty way even through all their difficulties.
Thanks for the enlightenment. It just goes to show that we all have issues. Thant Satan plagues the family. We only need to continue to trust God and His word.🙏
FINALLY, making them real feeling humans just like us...not sitting on or enshrouded in an invisible Cloud ⛅️ on an elevated dais, separated from us...thank you😇
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
Great work brother. But I’d e courage you to invest in a higher quality microphone. You have enough people listening that you should take this next step. Makes a world of difference.
The thing that I really appreciate about the Bible is that it shows Gods people with the good and the bad. No whitewashing. The way they are, as human beings.
Lot's of info but should have been presented with a different spirit. This is called marriage. Relationships, whether with friends, family or foes have sunny and rainy days. We all have battles that we have to overcome. Why would the White's be any different? Moses was a murderer, David a murderer, adultery disobedient, yet the apple of God's eye. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. That goes for prophets and prophetess. We ought to keep in high regards what was given to us by those who were chosen to carry a cross we could never lift. This is called SACRIFICE.
There is only One that sacrificed, only one that carried a cross we could never lift. We are just wretched servants who are doing what we are supposed to do.
We are all called to bear the same cross. We are all called to ministry. Any human being can have the good, bad, and even ugly characteristics of the patriarchs and prophets. What it's really called for us is the struggle, and every Christian will go through it -- the Whites are no different.
If Mrs. White’s intention and request was that these letters be burned then on acquiring them the W.Estate should have burned them. As I listened to this discourse a second time it struck me that I’d be appalled and embarrassed at having the most intimate details of my marriage and my family life/struggles laid out and further to be discussed, analyzed and opinionated on generations later by people who were so removed from the times in which I lived and didn’t know me, personally.
@@forward_ever_ever2595 Thank the Lord that it did come to light! If it was not meant to be, then the Lord had the ability to keep it hidden. He chose to allow it. It keeps Ellen White off of a pedestal. Further, it helps to soften her words somewhat. By reading her writings, you'd think she never had challenges. These letters demonstrate otherwise. However, she appears to have felt that James White was under the control of the Devil at one point. Not sure what to make of that. He seems to mention over and over that she tried to control him, to assume leadership over him, and she never even once responded to those accusations. Makes me wonder that there may be some truth to it. On the other hand, she says he controls her, and mentions that particular issue a multitude of times. I guess only the Lord knows.
I believe it is okay to have these letters in our time to help to encourage each one of us in our struggles. Knowing that satan tempts each and every one of us. We need to pray and trust God to see us through. We don't have to run and get a divorce but we need to pray for each..and keep the faith and submit to Christ. I am a widow but if the Lord should bless me with a husband l would know that God must be the center of my relationship and do not invite a third party.
@@patriciawhyte2788 She was the best editor EGW had. She knew a lot about EGW. Sadly, she died very young, after a life dedicated to writing for Ellen White.
Sister ELLEN and her Husband have done their part. And are awaiting their Lord and Savior.respectfully said you should do the same and stop focusing on their marital business. It looks like gossip/ slander. I hope your life reflects that you are also looking forward to his coming and if anyone should do a video on you that people will have only good to say,that you have won souls for his kingdom. No one is perfect and needs mercy from the loving savior Ellen James did and so do you.
Dear sister it is not gossiping. I love it and I'm glad to see that Ellen White was a human being and she had the same concerns as us regarding her children and her wedding. According to some Adventists, one would believe she was a kind of superwoman. When I see her doubts, her differing opinions with her husbands regarding Edson it gives me strength.
Dear Sister.It seemed that way. But if you say that this have brought you closer to God. To God be the glory.lets keep working for Jesus and keep our eyes focused on him.I'm sure If we do that we will only see perfection.I want to encourage you to keep telling others about Jesus because he is coming soon.let us all try to get ready and stay ready. May God bless you and family.
@@harrylutz7321 It is not the problem. What I love in this video is to see that EGW was like one of us struggling with everyday life problems. Because listening ti some adventists one could believe she'd never sinned.
Without fail, theres always a troll in the comment section, trying to mislead or cherry pick things to put doubt out there. But God is in control, & true studiers will know the truth despite trying to misrepresent it. In fact, those who really want truth, take the lies and measure them up to the entire weight of evidence, see the error even more plainly, only strengthening the truth.
A woman cannot serve God without serving her husband first. If his requirements go against God's u respect him still, pray for him that's what I believe should be the way of a Christian wife..🙃
My dear you are very wise for you hit the nail on the head. Ellen was not a mother or wife and her family really suffered for it. This is the very reason why I question her messages.
The text you refer to is not to be understood as having no exceptions. If a husband becomes a serial killer, bank robber, visits harlots twice a week, beats his wife mercilessly every time he comes home drunk, is having an open affair with his next door neighbor, beats his children and keeps them locked up in the basement, and rapes young girls, do you think his wife should submit to him? If you think so, you need to immediately check into your nearest mental health facility. You have a concept of God as a dictatorial tyrant. My guess is that you are the same way.
I listen to your video and see no proof ... the letters showed only that he was traveling and she stayed home to write. She even said she was looking forward to his visit to her bedroom. But whatever floats your boat.
James didn’t like a lot of the politics going on nor did he like the re-editing of “prophesies” that egw proclaimed were going to happen. When prophecies didn’t happen the egw crew would change the dates or rewrite pamphlets/books to another timeline. And by the way, James separated from her,not the other way round. James lived on the farm in upstate NewYork for years until his death.
This proves the Whites were humans, not deities lest we worship them. I like the way God outsmarts the Devil in their great controversy, by allowing Satan to torment His servants so that God finally proves that Satan was wasting his time. God is a God of transparence - He does not hide our weaknesses but allows them to manifest so that He can appraise them and also edify the entire Church. This presentation on the White's struggles should encourage us all that God will see us through all our troubles if we draw closer to Him especially during trying times such as was for the Whites. I'm so elated that James repented and received God's mercy. All glory to our LORD who holds our hands through troublous times..,.
@@stevebee3083 Seems like a trivial difference. I never did understand why people say its ok to separate, but not ok to divorce. They sound like the same thing. I suppose the reality is that divorce ends your ability to remarry. Separation is the same thing. The marriage is so strained we cannot live together. Isn't that an "estranged marriage"? I see no difference, other than by remarriage, it makes the union appear without force. Marriage is supposed to be representative of the union of Christ and the Church. So, if we separate, it besmirches the principle nearly as much. It means irreconcilable differences. It is still unchristian.
She never followed the rules she imposed on others. She finally realized her lack of Christlike spirit in her relationship with her husband. She was a bad example as a wife, mother and leader
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan @God Loves I see both of you representing two (2) vastly different sides and viewpoints, where 1 is telling the truth while the other tries hard to counter every good effort! I on one hand just wish share my opinion. The struggle between you too, on who is in the "RIGHT" will be determined by time...The tree will be known by its fruit, and may the truth set us FREE
@Mike Flanagan Are you saying the disciples are of the devil for resting on the sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56? Because you claim in your posts that the sabbath keepers are of the devil which they were the ones who killed Christ. How am I falsely accusing you? Because I’m exposing your evil posts accusing Sabbath keepers including Christ and the apostles and disciples as devils?! And then you act and pretend you’re innocent. You are a sick individual and I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ!
But didn't God deliver his people in the bible. When they were in Trouble God went before them. Take for instance Elijha the prophet who was running from Jezebel. The Prophets of the bible stood up for what was right. why couldn't sister white. There is nothing impossible for God to control.
We have to consider how the disciples, after they met Christ hardly had time for their wifes or families. Even Moses was separate for mist times from his wife and children. Sometimes separation form loved ones are the best especially when there is discernment that a togetherness is a hindrance to God's work We must all take a cue from this truth
What God hath joined together, let no man put asunder ~ the two shall become as one flesh. St. Paul instructs couples that their bodies are not their own, but belong to each other, and to not withhold themselves ~
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
Isn't that what is happening when we pay our thithes? We pay Pastors to Preach. Which I believe is Questionable. Mal 3:10 Says, so that there be Meat in my House, meaning food for the Widows and the Fatherless. The thithes is to Provide food and to be distributed the the Poor. Paul the Apostle Work and Support himself, Jesus was a Carpenter, all the other Desciples have a Trade, . You have Elders, Deacons, Pastors, Lay Preachers., If every one come together and do their part, the Work of God will get done. They Misquote what Mal 3 said. The Widows of the Church were been Neglected, and so God was telling them to bring the tithes into the store house, so that there will be meat in My House. An Offering, is Praise unto God.
If Ellen G White and her Husband cant get along down here, How are they going to get along in Heaven? The Last time i check, The man is the Head of the Woman, SHE WAS NOT A SUBMISSIVE WIFE. She is the Weaker Vessel, Her Husband is the Leader and the Head of the House Hold. Why could"nt she Listen to her Husband and Support him? Her Husband was Sick and she treated him like a Strangers. There is no Justfication in not Listening to Your Husband. I SEE NO FORM OF HUMILITY.
while the husband is leader of the house, the lord comes first ellen white was in obedience, when your significant other has an opnion/behavior that does not match that of the lord you dont follow, James and Ellen white had some of these situations
Dang ~ Time 42:00 you are flipping around the letters so fast I cannot focus, let alone read. As you can see, I must write my comments as they come to me. Fibro Fog ~~~ I almost, a-l-m-o-s-t, feel sorry for EGW and some empathy. However as a still recovering ex-SDA, I cannot - That pair really FluFFed up my life, and undoubtedly that of many others.
Her kids will be saved at last. God knows best. God said He will save the children, if we contend with Him. It will be well at last, which is the Most important thing.
Thank you God for you are the who created the sabbath before you created Ellen white and Thank you for using her to share the light you gave her. They devoted themselves to work for you and they are waiting for their crowns. Grol to God. Owe to you who says that sdas are the followers of Ellen white, it seems that you don't read the Bible and you don't know what you are commenting about, may God open your eyes and mind for you to understand the truth. Let not satan blind you because he hates the truth. Jesus is coming are you ready?
This channel has a video that answers the question of whether EGW had any black blood. Look it up and pay close attention, and hear the entire video. A black PhD wrote a book claiming that Mrs. White had black ancestors. He was not a professional genealogist. Other who were professionals concluded that her ancestors were Anglo-Saxon on both her father's side and her mother's.
I enjoyed the vid, but disagree with you saying “Ms. White would not allow a man to have authority over her” She herself didn’t say anything related to such a thing in what was presented here. She submitted to her husband just as all scriptural women do just so long as it does not conflict with the DUTY or parts which God has shown her. I feel it is in this understanding that James was missing. If her going will cause more problems or damage , it may be best to not go. Risk vs reward. Paul tells us plainly about headship in Corinthians. Even Christ submits to his Father. And yes, Ellen does wear coverings over the back portion of her head.
Mother seems not so affectionate to me; rather a fear monger, as she went on to inflict upon the entire church. I'm not a Dr but it sounds like that poor little lame boy possibly contracted polio, and some type of infection or perhaps a bed sore. EGW is blaming the child ~ very misguided, shame on her. Yet she had mental health issues from childhood; not mother of the year material.
How does this help people to repent in the last days. You are just looking for publicity in a negative way. All people need at the moment is 3angels message. Stop preaching social gospel.
Why so much time and effort spent on idolizing a woman not found, as part of the two olive trees, spoken of the Authorized Bible? One may want to ask, does Anton Levey have any influence with you, as well? At least he wrote his own bible.
So her Motive for Printing the Magazines, Was Money?? why would they let it look As if Printing the Magazine was to Spread the Gospel? Anyway, that what they All do, Use the Gospel as the Means to Make Money. EVERY ORGANIZED RELIGEON WILL BE DESTROYED, Not One Stone is going to be Left Unturn, The Kingdom of God is Forever.
Some times to carry out God's mission separation in body is condoned by God. However, communion with each other Is key. I'm very impressed . They both worked best separately. I believe for God's sake , instead of strife, agreement on both sides for separation so that each can fulfill his mission successfully is understood and not condemned by God.
Mr Butler issues should be resolved in a marriage or any other relationship and not merely moved past. You are WRONG and so is you perspective of this unGodly prideful couple. The husband is the head. Ellen's first ministry is to her family. If things are not right at home they should be resolved as God will have Christian's do. Ellen and James White were dishonest people and frauds.
Ellen White's ex vision not to re-marry has nothing to do with authenticating or validating her supposed ministry. Ellen White was and is a deceiver, manipulator and apostate. God did not commission her for anything.
I won't overstep and make any judgements on these people because only God the Father can do that. I do, however, better understand the struggles of families/ couples in ministry. Satan attacks them so much.
@Mike Flanagan Luke was not a Jew. He was a Greek physician. Luke kept the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified. Luke, "a Greek physician", (not a Jew), wrote the Gospel of Luke around A.D. 60 and called the Sabbath by it's God given name and never said the 1st day of the week was anything other that a regular work day. He could have said, "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross", but he didn't. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. PROOF, They kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died! Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. Notice the, "spices which they had prepared"? They prepared the spices but the Sabbath drew near and they didn't have time to embalm Jesus. So they waited until after the Sabbath. They kept the Sabbath according to the commandment, then went to embalm Jesus after the Sabbath. Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged on, but not the Law of God). Eccesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged on, but not the Law of God). Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. What I see in some of these threads is a line between the sheep and the goats. While the sheep hear the Masters voice and follow Him The goats are stubborn and refuse to surrender their will to the will of God, even fighting against His holy law, just like Satan did
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
Wondering just what Edson's ostensible. ongoing vice was? Father James was a jerk, stroke or no. Was there no medical science at all at that time regarding strokes? EGW earlier said the stroke had changed James, now she is blaming Satan for smiting him? Very bad Parenting ~ Surprised that Edson didn't tell everyone to FluFF OfF~~~
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
can people be so blind? that they refused the word of and believed the word of a sick minded person, she was no prophetess. am just sorry for you all and praying my brother that one day the word of God bring the truth to you
@@roydicko4849 What do you think a useless empty statement like this with no proof will do?! Seriously, at least give information instead of some nobody on the internet claiming something out of thin air...
How can you criticize the white family who worked tirelessly to spread the word of of God and brought many souls to God? How many souls have brought to God? Stop your criticism and work for the lord for the time is short
Ellen White or no one else has the ability to draw someone to God. Jesus Christ said unequivocally “No one comes to the Father unless I call him””NO ONE”. And that also includes Ellen White. As a matter of fact, she draws people to her, because so far most believers are jumping to her defense. You cannot defend the truth, because the truth stands on its own. It’s analogous to water which seeks its own level. The truth will always prevail. As God’s representative here on earth, Ellen White bombed when she said she was “not a prophet” but ended prophesying anyway. Most of her prophecies, by the way, had nothing to do with the word of God. It was aimed towards the shortcomings of the members of her congregation. A prophet, but a false one at that.
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil? You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
I thought the Christian thing to do would be to settle your difference and make peace before giving your gifts and service at the altar? For James White to ask his own wife to be treated and regarded as an equal to her proves that Ellen White was a BAD WIFE, who used God to justify her rebellion against her husband… even though her husband and her herself were con-men.
So Ezra why do you not stop spreading lies about SDA people? Would that not be the Christian thing to do? The White's had problems. They were human. But your false accusations do nothing but spread dissension and hate. It is sad that you do not wish to spread love.
@@samuelwilliams1559 : 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Get thee behind me Samuel Williams. You have been weighed in the balances and found sorely wanting. The carping mediocrity of your theological orientation is proof positive that just like Ellen White and her husband, you have not an honest bone in your body. Please get lost🙂👍
@@clarkent61 Still waiting for proof instead of your constant barrage of insults. At least the speaker here gave reasons for his points. But you must reject him since he says we are Christian. I am not lost. I have found by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Also if I am so wrong. Why never show it? Insults are still not proof.
@@samuelwilliams1559 : I know you suffer from a pernicious case of delusion in combination with a toxic brew of dishonesty and stupidity. If the truth I and others have shown you on this subject were shown to Sodom and Gomorrah the city would not have been destroyed. You keep playing the victim and asking for proof in a very deceptive manner designed to suggest you are truly searching for answers. Mr Williams my encounters with you prove that you are a certified fraud and I will no longer exert myself in hope of your rehabilitation. You deserve the misery I am sure Adventism has cursed you with. I will only say, there is no need to be ignorant and deluded in the midst of so much information. You side stepped my question about your opinion on Ellen White’s amalgamation comments. I see that in true Adventists fashion you continue to be the liar and dupe you are👍🙂
@@clarkent61 So still calling me names instead of speaking as a Christin in love and using the Bible to show me wrong. What lie have I told. Show me. What teaching have you shown me to be false. I am not a victim. I am pointing out your lack of proof. Because if you make an accusation. You should be able to prove it. I am happy in serving my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He brings me joy and love. So you choose one word that can mean not what you suppose to replace her words that are clear and easy to understand,. So you look for lies to spread. I am burdened, heavily burdened, for the work among the colored people. The gospel is to be presented to the downtrodden Negro race. But great caution will have to be shown in the efforts put forth for the uplifting of this people. Among the white people in many places there exists a strong prejudice against the Negro race. We may desire to ignore this prejudice, but we cannot do it. If we were to act as if this prejudice did not exist we could not get the light before the white people. We must meet the situation as it is and deal with it wisely and intelligently. {9T 204.1}
Thank you Dr Baker for this very insightful presentation. To me it was quite reassuring and shows that despite being one of God's greatest servants, Ellen White was just as human as everyone else and subject to life , its trials, tribulations and challenges to an even greater degree than many of us would ever imagine. I too am having struggles in my marriage but I can say with confidence that when I put God first and seek His providence, the burdens of life become much easier to endure. God bless.
I’m so glad I found this study about James and EGW priceless 🥰👏🏾🙌🏾
Thank you for another glimpse into the history of the pioneers. Ellen and James White were humans who endured pressure and resistance on every hand from not only Satan but also, the members of the church. Yes, they had struggles like we all do but because they loved God first and foremost, their love for each other endured. That is the take-away from this for me.
@Mike Flanagan Sunday is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere. Stop trying to create confusion.
"the DAILY Sacrifice" was daily.
The pope and you Jesuits have put a lot of effort into what you are doing. It's all deception, taking verses out of context and adding things that are not there. But God wins in the end.
But you Jesuits don't realize that Hell "is not a place". You will not reign beside Satan there, no matter what he has promised you.
Hell is death. Not a place. Catholics have also perverted this. I feel sorry for you, knowing what your end is.
The original Hebrew word for Hell is "Sheol", which is mentioned sixty-five times. Sheol is translated as "the grave". Hell is "the grave", not some place where Satan and his followers rule over sinners forever as the Catholics teach.
Your time is short. You know this. Around 2030 the Jesuits believe.
2000 years from Adam to Abraham
2000 years from Abraham to Jesus
2000 years from Jesus death to 2nd coming.
2030 - 2034 is what the Pope and his Jesuits believe. They know their time is short.
The Pope wants the Sunday law by 2027, using climate change to enforce it.
@Mike Flanagan The Jews still keep those feasts today. so?
Please tell your master the pope that you tried hard. You Jesuits do try hard.
@Mike Flanagan Yet you hypocrites keep Sunday Holy. Bunch of hypocrites!
@Mike Flanagan He said that to the Pharisees inventing laws that were not of God ignorant! Are you saying that God was saying Sabbath keepers were evil for doing what God commanded the Israelites to keep? You’re literally deluded and backwards.
@Mike Flanagan doing religious duties on Sunday doesn't make it holy. Show a verse that speaks of the 1st day of the week in the same sanctified words as the 7th day of the week.
Makes one believe that they were indeed humans just as the prophets who lived, made mistakes, but God used them mightily in His work.
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan Are the other 9 commandments as well as the Sabbath command a “shadow of things to come “ ?
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God did not use Ellen and James White, they were frauds.
@@ezranwosu6687 Says some fraud nobody with empty unproven statements...
gracias Dr. Benjamin, le escribo en mi idioma natal desde las alturas de un pais andino, su presentacion fue magistral, tambien gracias a Dios y mi madre que de niño, me dijo que el idioma ingles algun dia seria una puerta abierta para saber mas cosas.
I always tell people that husband's and wives should each have their separate rooms and spend time alone. It would make them miss, think of, and love each other; saving their marriages.
I have my own room, which keeps me at miss. As humans, each of us needs our own space. This doesn't mean we don't disagree, but when we do, we can each go in our own space to think, speak and pray to God.
David was a man after Gods own heart yet while under temptation fell under the curse of sin. This and other failures of Bible patriarchs and prophets God never chose to hide from us in his word. These ensamples were given to us for our admonition. All these distractions are being used to derail us from our heavenly reward. Let’s turn our eyes onto Jesus and Jesus only for all else have sinned and fell short of the glory. Let’s do as the prophets say to do and not as they have sometimes done, for in doing so we do Gods will not the prophets will.
Amen brother!
He was just a man bro.
Praise The Lord!!!
But Edson White became a powerful tool for The Lord in helping with the ministries in the South east. The General Conference had prejudice against our black brothers and sisters and Sister White warned The School of Madison not to join the Conference and to remain a independent ministry. She also said that the school of Madison should not seek acreditacion with the government or the world. After She died the schools leaders disregarded her warnings and God removed His blessing and the school went down the drain
Truly Brother❤️🔥👑
Really feel a connection with James White I'd never felt before, seeing the stresses he was going through, having had several strokes, and how he had such trust and faith in God. Not taking sides at all, have always loved Ellen White. I can see the providence of God in these letters being revealed. They are a blessing.
Thank God , that he is the one that will separate the sheep from the goats!!! Matthew 25;31-46.
To be more effective for the youth of today. We need a shorter version. Short and clear as the sunrise. Thank You Dr. Baker.
Children who are old enough to comprehend the subject matter of this letter from Ellen re being obedient should be able to pay attention to the presentation, However, these letters and the circumstances of absentee parenting are leaning towards emotional and spiritual abuse. The Whites did not practice what they taught. If James mind was so disaffected by the strokes, it sounds as if he was detrimental to The Organization. Were there not other persons of responsibility to deal with him stepping or slowing down?
“What you pay attention to grows”.... thanks for the information I hope that we will meet all those who gave their lives to Jesus will be in His kingdom, incomplete human as we are, made complete in Jesus.
Hope to meet EGW and family in the new Jerusalem by God's grace
Let's clear the Sabbath issue up once and for all. The apostles kept the Sabbath after Jesus rose!
Luke, "a Greek physician", (not a Jew), wrote the Gospel of Luke around A.D. 60 and called the Sabbath by it's God given name and never said the 1st day of the week was anything other than a regular work day. He could have said, "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross", but he didn't.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
PROOF, They kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died!
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Notice the, "spices which they had prepared"? They prepared the spices but the Sabbath drew near and they didn't have time to embalm Jesus. So they waited until after the Sabbath. They kept the Sabbath according to the commandment, then went to embalm Jesus after the Sabbath.
Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. Moses law (placed in a book on the side of the Ark) was a law of ordinances. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged onto it, but not the Law of God).
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
What I see in these threads is a line between the sheep and the goats.
While the sheep hear the Masters voice and follow Him
The goats are stubborn and refuse to surrender their will to the will of God, even fighting against His holy law, just like Satan did
Some say Jesus gave us "new commandments".
Can we find the supposedly "new" commandments in the old testament. I believe so. Because it's not new. It has been there from the beginning.
"New" Commandments in the old testament
Deuteronomy 6:5 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.”
Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.”
@Mike Flanagan just show us where the 4th commandment changed then we can look at it. No need for any judgement. Let’s just see what the bible says.
@Mike Flanagan I guess the word Christian means "Christ Like" i.e. Live like Christ lived. Christ kept the Sabbath and so do all the Apostles including Paul after his conversion, the very one (Paul) that you use for your authority to break the holy commandment of God.
Christ did not constitute Sunday worship but did constitute the Holy Communion service and after His death at calvary nothing could be added or removed from the new covenant.
Sunday Worship was not baptized into the Christian service not until after the death of Jesus and the All the Apostles of Christ.
Choose to follow Christ example by doing as he did or follow man.
Sunday Worship is an offence to God ( Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men).
Food for thought: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews
@Mike Flanagan Col 2:14-17 talks about the ceremonial sabbaths which were pointing to Jesus who himself was the real sacrifice for us. But the 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow coz it was constituted when there was no such thing as sin but the shadows came because of sin. The Issue is not whether you are Catholic or Adventist but it's all about conversion, when you are truly converted You leave your Bad habits and do God's will. Obedience does not save you but it's a lifestyle of someone who's being saved.
A Christian always does what God says.
I kindly request you to write down the verse (s) which commands a change from Sabbath to Sunday.
God bless you
@Mike Flanagan This reply does not show anything like someone who's seeking for truth but someone so much determined to remain in what he believes regardless whether true or false.
I'm out of here, bye bye for now.
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
The links worked for me. Thank you for this video, definitely was blessed by it !!!!
Sister in Christ, Ellen White had to have a separate bedroom because she had a visitor whom she called " My accompanying Angel" visit her during the wee hours of the morning, and "Father" (that's how she called James) was fully aware of that. And do you know who that "Accompanying Angel was? I'll give you a hint: It was not God.
They were not "at each other's throat"!! As you used those words pertaining to them. Yes there were difficulties but primarily because of health problems.
God was with them in a mighty way even through all their difficulties.
Yes, indeed, her husband's ill health had a major influence on their relationship.
However could there be multiple strokes on the healthy plant-based diet? Lots of minerals in oysters; Ellie didn’t share?
A wonderful doumentry video
Thank you for shareing
1corinthians 7:10-11 and unto the married I command yet not I but the Lord let not the wife depart from her husband
But Ellen White departed from her husband.
That’s Paul’s opinion.
Thanks for the enlightenment. It just goes to show that we all have issues. Thant Satan plagues the family. We only need to continue to trust God and His word.🙏
FINALLY, making them real feeling humans just like us...not sitting on or enshrouded in an invisible Cloud ⛅️ on an elevated dais, separated from us...thank you😇
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
I agree because listening to some Adventists one would believe that Ellen White has never sinned.
@@lydieparmas357 or had struggles
@@specialone5827Or Oysters in vinegar….
Great work brother. But I’d e courage you to invest in a higher quality microphone. You have enough people listening that you should take this next step. Makes a world of difference.
I think the diction is good. Turn your volume to moderate-high.
The thing that I really appreciate about the Bible is that it shows Gods people with the good and the bad. No whitewashing. The way they are, as human beings.
He who divorces his wife covers his garment with violence says the Lord of hosts so guard yourselves in your spirit and do not break faith
I just got around to watching this. Thank you. They were simply human.
If you don't see that prophecy is fulfilled, you better wakeup
True
A men and A men
Lot's of info but should have been presented with a different spirit. This is called marriage. Relationships, whether with friends, family or foes have sunny and rainy days. We all have battles that we have to overcome. Why would the White's be any different? Moses was a murderer, David a murderer, adultery disobedient, yet the apple of God's eye. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. That goes for prophets and prophetess. We ought to keep in high regards what was given to us by those who were chosen to carry a cross we could never lift. This is called SACRIFICE.
Poul also
There is only One that sacrificed, only one that carried a cross we could never lift. We are just wretched servants who are doing what we are supposed to do.
We are all called to bear the same cross. We are all called to ministry. Any human being can have the good, bad, and even ugly characteristics of the patriarchs and prophets. What it's really called for us is the struggle, and every Christian will go through it -- the Whites are no different.
If Mrs. White’s intention and request was that these letters be burned then on acquiring them the W.Estate should have burned them.
As I listened to this discourse a second time it struck me that I’d be appalled and embarrassed at having the most intimate details of my marriage and my family life/struggles laid out and further to be discussed, analyzed and opinionated on generations later by people who were so removed from the times in which I lived and didn’t know me, personally.
Wow...i did not know thats what she wanted. They should have honored her request. How disreapectful!
@@forward_ever_ever2595 Thank the Lord that it did come to light! If it was not meant to be, then the Lord had the ability to keep it hidden. He chose to allow it. It keeps Ellen White off of a pedestal. Further, it helps to soften her words somewhat. By reading her writings, you'd think she never had challenges. These letters demonstrate otherwise.
However, she appears to have felt that James White was under the control of the Devil at one point. Not sure what to make of that. He seems to mention over and over that she tried to control him, to assume leadership over him, and she never even once responded to those accusations. Makes me wonder that there may be some truth to it. On the other hand, she says he controls her, and mentions that particular issue a multitude of times.
I guess only the Lord knows.
@@treefellonya ...only the Lord.
Dont forget that todays sda church including the white estate - are run by jesuits; catholic agents.
Thank God for His Spirit of Prophecy!
I believe it is okay to have these letters in our time to help to encourage each one of us in our struggles. Knowing that satan tempts each and every one of us. We need to pray and trust God to see us through. We don't have to run and get a divorce but we need to pray for each..and keep the faith and submit to Christ. I am a widow but if the Lord should bless me with a husband l would know that God must be the center of my relationship and do not invite a third party.
Good video. Thank you 💕🌱
It was customary in that day and age for couples to have separate bedrooms and for artists to disguise a pregnancy! You are mislead.
I would like to hear information on Fannie Bolton - I know she was an editor for E.G.W. and she wrote " Not I but Christ".
Most SDA apologists would rather Fannie Bolton be forgotten.
Who was Fannie Bolton ?
@@clarkent61 Very sad story…
Nobody wants to talk about her.
@@patriciawhyte2788 She was the best editor EGW had. She knew a lot about EGW. Sadly, she died very young, after a life dedicated to writing for Ellen White.
Never heard of her. Interest piqued.
Sister ELLEN and her Husband have done their part. And are awaiting their Lord and Savior.respectfully said you should do the same and stop focusing on their marital business. It looks like gossip/ slander. I hope your life reflects that you are also looking forward to his coming and if anyone should do a video on you that people will have only good to say,that you have won souls for his kingdom. No one is perfect and needs mercy from the loving savior Ellen James did and so do you.
Dear sister it is not gossiping. I love it and I'm glad to see that Ellen White was a human being and she had the same concerns as us regarding her children and her wedding. According to some Adventists, one would believe she was a kind of superwoman. When I see her doubts, her differing opinions with her husbands regarding Edson it gives me strength.
Dear Sister.It seemed that way. But if you say that this have brought you closer to God. To God be the glory.lets keep working for Jesus and keep our eyes focused on him.I'm sure If we do that we will only see perfection.I want to encourage you to keep telling others about Jesus because he is coming soon.let us all try to get ready and stay ready. May God bless you and family.
Baloney,you just don’t want to know/face the truth!
@@lydieparmas357 egw was a prevaricater and a plagerist! Most ,if not all her writings ,were fabricated by her staff!
@@harrylutz7321 It is not the problem. What I love in this video is to see that EGW was like one of us struggling with everyday life problems. Because listening ti some adventists one could believe she'd never sinned.
The more you criticise the more the truth spread faster than you thought
How can I get a copy of this presentation? I have not seen or heard this information presented in such an extensive way. Is this in book form?
I resigned as a pastor of this cult and left!
I Bid You Peace and Blessings as you continue your journey...
God Bless you and keep you in his bosom!
Malachi 2:16 matthew 19:1-10 for the Lord God of israel says that he hates divorce for it covers one's garment with violence says the Lord of hosts
Without fail, theres always a troll in the comment section, trying to mislead or cherry pick things to put doubt out there. But God is in control, & true studiers will know the truth despite trying to misrepresent it. In fact, those who really want truth, take the lies and measure them up to the entire weight of evidence, see the error even more plainly, only strengthening the truth.
You're right. Many times, enemies of the church are pick and choosing this kind of info to paint a bad as possible picture of the church.
Are we going to use 21 Century values to judge 19 Century child raring and marriage practices?
So Ellen White did not wish to submit to her husband...
If she believed that her message was from God she only has to submit to the latter. "We must obey God rather than human beings" Acts 5:29.
A woman cannot serve God without serving her husband first. If his requirements go against God's u respect him still, pray for him that's what I believe should be the way of a Christian wife..🙃
My dear you are very wise for you hit the nail on the head. Ellen was not a mother or wife and her family really suffered for it. This is the very reason why I question her messages.
Ellen and James White were frauds.
The text you refer to is not to be understood as having no exceptions. If a husband becomes a serial killer, bank robber, visits harlots twice a week, beats his wife mercilessly every time he comes home drunk, is having an open affair with his next door neighbor, beats his children and keeps them locked up in the basement, and rapes young girls, do you think his wife should submit to him? If you think so, you need to immediately check into your nearest mental health facility. You have a concept of God as a dictatorial tyrant. My guess is that you are the same way.
I listen to your video and see no proof ... the letters showed only that he was traveling and she stayed home to write. She even said she was looking forward to his visit to her bedroom. But whatever floats your boat.
James didn’t like a lot of the politics going on nor did he like the re-editing of “prophesies” that egw proclaimed were going to happen. When prophecies didn’t happen the egw crew would change the dates or rewrite pamphlets/books to another timeline. And by the way, James separated from her,not the other way round. James lived on the farm in upstate NewYork for years until his death.
This proves the Whites were humans, not deities lest we worship them. I like the way God outsmarts the Devil in their great controversy, by allowing Satan to torment His servants so that God finally proves that Satan was wasting his time. God is a God of transparence - He does not hide our weaknesses but allows them to manifest so that He can appraise them and also edify the entire Church. This presentation on the White's struggles should encourage us all that God will see us through all our troubles if we draw closer to Him especially during trying times such as was for the Whites. I'm so elated that James repented and received God's mercy. All glory to our LORD who holds our hands through troublous times..,.
Why did Ellen not follow her own advice on marriage ?
But they never divorced
@@stevebee3083 Seems like a trivial difference. I never did understand why people say its ok to separate, but not ok to divorce. They sound like the same thing. I suppose the reality is that divorce ends your ability to remarry. Separation is the same thing. The marriage is so strained we cannot live together. Isn't that an "estranged marriage"? I see no difference, other than by remarriage, it makes the union appear without force. Marriage is supposed to be representative of the union of Christ and the Church. So, if we separate, it besmirches the principle nearly as much. It means irreconcilable differences. It is still unchristian.
Y obelisk at their grave site??? Symbol of freemason
She never followed the rules she imposed on others. She finally realized her lack of Christlike spirit in her relationship with her husband. She was a bad example as a wife, mother and leader
Ellen G. White looks like a woman of colour, particularly a light skinned "Black woman"?!
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan Huh, really?!
Ah, she just doesn't look "White" to me!
@Mike Flanagan
@God Loves
I see both of you representing two (2) vastly different sides and viewpoints, where 1 is telling the truth while the other tries hard to counter every good effort!
I on one hand just wish share my opinion.
The struggle between you too, on who is in the "RIGHT" will be determined by time...The tree will be known by its fruit, and may the truth set us FREE
@Mike Flanagan Are you saying the disciples are of the devil for resting on the sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56? Because you claim in your posts that the sabbath keepers are of the devil which they were the ones who killed Christ. How am I falsely accusing you? Because I’m exposing your evil posts accusing Sabbath keepers including Christ and the apostles and disciples as devils?! And then you act and pretend you’re innocent. You are a sick individual and I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ!
@Mike Flanagan And you’re evil because you don’t love God and keep his commandments. So what’s your point? Your children control you is that it?
But didn't God deliver his people in the bible. When they were in Trouble God went before them. Take for instance Elijha the prophet who was running from Jezebel. The Prophets of the bible stood up for what was right. why couldn't sister white. There is nothing impossible for God to control.
We have to consider how the disciples, after they met Christ hardly had time for their wifes or families. Even Moses was separate for mist times from his wife and children. Sometimes separation form loved ones are the best especially when there is discernment that a togetherness is a hindrance to God's work
We must all take a cue from this truth
You need to read the Acts of the Apostles. Paul mentions there that the disciples had their wives with them.
What God hath joined together, let no man put asunder ~ the two shall become as one flesh.
St. Paul instructs couples that their bodies are not their own, but belong to each other, and to not withhold themselves ~
😂😂😂😂 SDAs always have a way they use Bible to rationalize evil and every wrong 😂😂😂
Ellen looks of black ancestry? Is that correct?
I thought the same thing she looks black
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan You claimed in another post that Christ and the apostles and disciples are devils. Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
@Mike Flanagan If Col 2:16 is about judging regarding the Sabbath, then why are you judging SDA regarding the sabbath hypocrite?
Really, James White wanted to get paid for doing God's work😖 Such selfless service.
Isn't that what is happening when we pay our thithes? We pay Pastors to Preach.
Which I believe is Questionable.
Mal 3:10 Says, so that there be Meat in my House, meaning food for the Widows and the Fatherless. The thithes is to Provide food and to be distributed the the Poor.
Paul the Apostle Work and Support himself, Jesus was a Carpenter, all the other Desciples have a Trade, . You have Elders, Deacons, Pastors, Lay Preachers.,
If every one come together and do their part, the Work of God will get done.
They Misquote what Mal 3 said. The Widows of the Church were been Neglected, and so God was telling them to bring the tithes into the store house, so that there will be meat in My House.
An Offering, is Praise unto God.
Ellen of course didn't profit
(sarcasm emphasized)
Thank you for sharing
There's a PhD on the relationship of James & Ellen White, by Gerson Cardoso Rodrigues, on the Andrews University digitalcommons, due on 2 August 2024.
Broads a false teacher. 1 Tim 4:1-5
If Ellen G White and her Husband cant get along down here, How are they going to get along in Heaven?
The Last time i check, The man is the Head of the Woman, SHE WAS NOT A SUBMISSIVE WIFE. She is the Weaker Vessel, Her Husband is the Leader and the Head of the House Hold.
Why could"nt she Listen to her Husband and Support him?
Her Husband was Sick and she treated him like a Strangers.
There is no Justfication in not Listening to Your Husband.
I SEE NO FORM OF HUMILITY.
She could not get along with anyone, therefore many top leaders (pioneers) left the church like Crosier, Canright, Prebble and so on...
She was a falsh prophetess
@@Sofiafromabove wrong
while the husband is leader of the house, the lord comes first ellen white was in obedience, when your significant other has an opnion/behavior that does not match that of the lord you dont follow, James and Ellen white had some of these situations
Ellen G. White was Not a divine Teacher.
She was teaching many falsh Things.
If you know the Holly Bible you will find Out the Errors.
Dang ~ Time 42:00 you are flipping around the letters so fast I cannot focus, let alone read. As you can see, I must write my comments as they come to me. Fibro Fog ~~~ I almost, a-l-m-o-s-t, feel sorry for EGW and some empathy. However as a still recovering ex-SDA, I cannot - That pair really FluFFed up my life, and undoubtedly that of many others.
Her kids will be saved at last. God knows best.
God said He will save the children, if we contend with Him. It will be well at last, which is the Most important thing.
Why couldn't EGW write from home - James was often gone.
Thank you brother for bringing this info together and published.
Separate or together. They worked together for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Believe in God
Thank you God for you are the who created the sabbath before you created Ellen white and Thank you for using her to share the light you gave her. They devoted themselves to work for you and they are waiting for their crowns. Grol to God. Owe to you who says that sdas are the followers of Ellen white, it seems that you don't read the Bible and you don't know what you are commenting about, may God open your eyes and mind for you to understand the truth. Let not satan blind you because he hates the truth. Jesus is coming are you ready?
Rubbish…
Sounds like she was cautioning her children to display christly behaviour.
Was she a mixed race woman. She looked as if she has african American features. Thankyou.
no ,she was hit by a stone when she was still young
Who cares?
Someone does…..I lived in Maine not too far where egw grew up. No black people in Maine in the 1800’s. Very few now.
The false prophetis is creepy looking indeed.
This channel has a video that answers the question of whether EGW had any black blood. Look it up and pay close attention, and hear the entire video. A black PhD wrote a book claiming that Mrs. White had black ancestors. He was not a professional genealogist. Other who were professionals concluded that her ancestors were Anglo-Saxon on both her father's side and her mother's.
God does not uphold divorce. Separation, is different. Neither one married another.
I enjoyed the vid, but disagree with you saying “Ms. White would not allow a man to have authority over her”
She herself didn’t say anything related to such a thing in what was presented here.
She submitted to her husband just as all scriptural women do just so long as it does not conflict with the DUTY or parts which God has shown her. I feel it is in this understanding that James was missing. If her going will cause more problems or damage , it may be best to not go. Risk vs reward.
Paul tells us plainly about headship in Corinthians. Even Christ submits to his Father. And yes, Ellen does wear coverings over the back portion of her head.
Classic disfunctionality of the highest order!
Mother seems not so affectionate to me; rather a fear monger, as she went on to inflict upon the entire church. I'm not a Dr but it sounds like that poor little lame boy possibly contracted polio, and some type of infection or perhaps a bed sore. EGW is blaming the child ~ very misguided, shame on her. Yet she had mental health issues from childhood; not mother of the year material.
Why they all ways try to paint her as a hottie when she was homely af
How does this help people to repent in the last days. You are just looking for publicity in a negative way. All people need at the moment is 3angels message.
Stop preaching social gospel.
This actually good content, you never really see the struggles they have gone through. Doesn't take away from us seeking jesus daily.
This was actually a blessing to our marriage!! I don’t see him criticizing them
Why so much time and effort spent on idolizing a woman not found, as part of the two olive trees, spoken of the Authorized Bible?
One may want to ask, does Anton Levey have any influence with you, as well? At least he wrote his own bible.
So her Motive for Printing the Magazines, Was Money?? why would they let it look As if Printing the Magazine was to Spread the Gospel? Anyway, that what they All do, Use the Gospel as the Means to Make Money.
EVERY ORGANIZED RELIGEON WILL BE DESTROYED, Not One Stone is going to be Left Unturn, The Kingdom of God is Forever.
Some times to carry out God's mission separation in body is condoned by God. However, communion with each other Is key.
I'm very impressed . They both worked best separately. I believe for God's sake , instead of strife, agreement on both sides for separation so that each can fulfill his mission successfully is understood and not condemned by God.
It is not God's will that a husband and wife live apart. God was NOT involved in this. This is just a power struggle.
Mr Butler issues should be resolved in a marriage or any other relationship and not merely moved past. You are WRONG and so is you perspective of this unGodly prideful couple. The husband is the head. Ellen's first ministry is to her family. If things are not right at home they should be resolved as God will have Christian's do. Ellen and James White were dishonest people and frauds.
Ellen White's ex vision not to re-marry has nothing to do with authenticating or validating her supposed ministry. Ellen White was and is a deceiver, manipulator and apostate. God did not commission her for anything.
I won't overstep and make any judgements on these people because only God the Father can do that. I do, however, better understand the struggles of families/ couples in ministry. Satan attacks them so much.
So real
@Mike Flanagan Luke was not a Jew. He was a Greek physician. Luke kept the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified.
Luke, "a Greek physician", (not a Jew), wrote the Gospel of Luke around A.D. 60 and called the Sabbath by it's God given name and never said the 1st day of the week was anything other that a regular work day. He could have said, "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross", but he didn't.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
PROOF, They kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died!
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Notice the, "spices which they had prepared"? They prepared the spices but the Sabbath drew near and they didn't have time to embalm Jesus. So they waited until after the Sabbath. They kept the Sabbath according to the commandment, then went to embalm Jesus after the Sabbath.
Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged on, but not the Law of God).
Eccesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
The Sabbath is not an ordinance or festival, but an actual law from God. That's why Jesus said He came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it (fulfill those 600 plus laws and extra ordinances and festivals the Pharisees tagged on, but not the Law of God).
Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
What I see in some of these threads is a line between the sheep and the goats.
While the sheep hear the Masters voice and follow Him
The goats are stubborn and refuse to surrender their will to the will of God, even fighting against His holy law, just like Satan did
@Mike Flanagan Luke was a "Greek physician", not a Jew. Stop your twisting of the scriptures. Look it up Jesuit.
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
Historia mal contada...
Wondering just what Edson's ostensible. ongoing vice was? Father James was a jerk, stroke or no. Was there no medical science at all at that time regarding strokes? EGW earlier said the stroke had changed James, now she is blaming Satan for smiting him? Very bad Parenting ~ Surprised that Edson didn't tell everyone to FluFF OfF~~~
QUE MENTIRA TAN GRANDE!
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
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Ellen white is a prophetess chosen by the al mighty god which all christendom should obey
can people be so blind? that they refused the word of and believed the word of a sick minded person, she was no prophetess. am just sorry for you all and praying my brother that one day the word of God bring the truth to you
@@roydicko4849 What do you think a useless empty statement like this with no proof will do?! Seriously, at least give information instead of some nobody on the internet claiming something out of thin air...
Yes of god, not God.
@@annbalgobin369 - No one is claiming EGW is God. What is wrong with your mind?
she was a prophetess of a god who doesn't know the future , that's why she gave false prophecy.
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🤣🤣🤣 really?
😅😅😅😊😅😅
Google God hates divorce akjv holybible
How can you criticize the white family who worked tirelessly to spread the word of of God and brought many souls to God? How many souls have brought to God? Stop your criticism and work for the lord for the time is short
Ellen White or no one else has the ability to draw someone to God. Jesus Christ said unequivocally “No one comes to the Father unless I call him””NO ONE”. And that also includes Ellen White. As a matter of fact, she draws people to her, because so far most believers are jumping to her defense. You cannot defend the truth, because the truth stands on its own. It’s analogous to water which seeks its own level. The truth will always prevail. As God’s representative here on earth, Ellen White bombed when she said she was “not a prophet” but ended prophesying anyway. Most of her prophecies, by the way, had nothing to do with the word of God. It was aimed towards the shortcomings of the members of her congregation.
A prophet, but a false one at that.
Another karen
BUT...what happened in California?!? Why were Californian church members so “hard” or “abusive” to James?
@Mike Flanagan Are you even Christian, so why do you come here? Nothing else to do but harass and be evil?
You claim Christ and the apostles is of the devil because in all your posts you claim that “Sabbath keepers” are of the devil hence why they killed Jesus. So that means Jesus and his disciples keeping the Sabbath were of the devil according to YOU! Luke 23:56
maybe too liberal or too conservative
If James didn't have a beard, it would be hard to tell which one was the man.
I thought the Christian thing to do would be to settle your difference and make peace before giving your gifts and service at the altar?
For James White to ask his own wife to be treated and regarded as an equal to her proves that Ellen White was a BAD WIFE, who used God to justify her rebellion against her husband… even though her husband and her herself were con-men.
So Ezra why do you not stop spreading lies about SDA people? Would that not be the Christian thing to do? The White's had problems. They were human. But your false accusations do nothing but spread dissension and hate.
It is sad that you do not wish to spread love.
@@samuelwilliams1559 : 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Get thee behind me Samuel Williams. You have been weighed in the balances and found sorely wanting. The carping mediocrity of your theological orientation is proof positive that just like Ellen White and her husband, you have not an honest bone in your body. Please get lost🙂👍
@@clarkent61 Still waiting for proof instead of your constant barrage of insults. At least the speaker here gave reasons for his points. But you must reject him since he says we are Christian. I am not lost. I have found by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Also if I am so wrong. Why never show it? Insults are still not proof.
@@samuelwilliams1559 : I know you suffer from a pernicious case of delusion in combination with a toxic brew of dishonesty and stupidity.
If the truth I and others have shown you on this subject were shown to Sodom and Gomorrah the city would not have been destroyed.
You keep playing the victim and asking for proof in a very deceptive manner designed to suggest you are truly searching for answers.
Mr Williams my encounters with you prove that you are a certified fraud and I will no longer exert myself in hope of your rehabilitation. You deserve the misery I am sure Adventism has cursed you with.
I will only say, there is no need to be ignorant and deluded in the midst of so much information. You side stepped my question about your opinion on Ellen White’s amalgamation comments. I see that in true Adventists fashion you continue to be the liar and dupe you are👍🙂
@@clarkent61 So still calling me names instead of speaking as a Christin in love and using the Bible to show me wrong.
What lie have I told. Show me. What teaching have you shown me to be false. I am not a victim. I am pointing out your lack of proof. Because if you make an accusation. You should be able to prove it. I am happy in serving my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He brings me joy and love.
So you choose one word that can mean not what you suppose to replace her words that are clear and easy to understand,. So you look for lies to spread.
I am burdened, heavily burdened, for the work among the colored people. The gospel is to be presented to the downtrodden Negro race. But great caution will have to be shown in the efforts put forth for the uplifting of this people. Among the white people in many places there exists a strong prejudice against the Negro race. We may desire to ignore this prejudice, but we cannot do it. If we were to act as if this prejudice did not exist we could not get the light before the white people. We must meet the situation as it is and deal with it wisely and intelligently. {9T 204.1}