@@yoursodumn remember folks, investment into a large venue that brings in tourism and generates millions of dollars a year is bad, but not when a Government wastes even more money on bus lines that don't bring any financial benefit to anyone but the loser class
To be fair, the Vikings provide the whole state with SO much revenue, local business will reap the benefits for years. Restaurants, sporting goods, etc. The Super Bowl alone brings a city avg of 1.2 B
Buffalo isn't the only team in the NFL that uses public funds. Hence why the county owns the stadium not the team. Only team to not use public money for a stadium is the Rams and that's it outta what like 30 stadiums in the NFL.
They want to scam the surrounding counties with sales tax to help give welfare to billionaires to help support the sports/gambling industry. It's gross. I hope the clowns move onto some other city. The current stadium isn't even that old. It's ridiculous.
Taxpayers are on the hook for lots of things like student debt forgiveness and illegal migrant health care thanks to Democrat crooks, that run New York state.
Serves New York City right. That overpopulated island makes my sales tax high and takes away from this vast state. The least they can do is help pay for the stadium.
Love how this is being compared to the Tottenham Hotspurs stadium, which was completely funded by the club through a combination of their own money and financing. No taxpayers money.
@@poluticonpoint being all NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA teams should fund the majority if not all their stadium cost. Most MLS teams pay more than half of their stadium costs.
I've been going to Bills games since 1967, I was 6. Going to the Rock pile and Rich Stadiums. I'm going to 1 more game in my life, the new Highmark Stadium. Truthfully I could have cared less if they stayed. Our area has more needs than a stadium. But you know, if our disfunctional county and state politicians want to waste money sure give us a stadium
@@theCranesUS There a real problem in your statement when you’re comparing soccer to Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, and Football in America! Hell Golf is more popular than Soccer, here in the US that is!
@@Joe-dy1qvthe agreement is public record in full. The state recoups their costs by keeping 53 wealthy athletes in their area paying state income tax on their salary in the stadium (so 106 players at a cap of 240 mil divided by 2 as only half their games are in NYS)
@@zerotothe0ne Where is the public record that states the stadium will be paid back? Raccuia who works for Pegula Sports stated this, but it's only an assertion (per NY times). The state is also on the hook for 100 mil maintenance and 180 mil in improvements.
Kind of fun that the couple worth nearly 8 Billion dollars, demanded tax payers pay for the 1 billion dollar stadium or they'd move. Thats how you increase fan loyalty!
Yea I mean thats just how it works. The precedent has been set many times over now. Not the owners' fault that state & local governments all over the country started shelling out huge money to build new stadiums. If Buffalo didn't do it some other city would have
That’s the state of affairs in this country nowadays 😒 SAD and the owners will own it outright…. They could have PAID 100 percent of it and STILL been worth 4 BILLION dollars not including ALL the PROCEEDS they will make
Welcome to America. No one cares about social capital anymore, rich people just send their kids to private school and live in small suburbs with their own cops.
What community in NY can't pay police or give kids a school lunch...also all 600k came from Seneca Indian casino payment that they were withholding hoping to get out of
Yes, let’s keep paying overweight and out of shape cops to stand around, swipes through their phones, take naps in their police cruisers, and gossip to each other all day long. Where do I sign the checks? 😅
As an upstate NY native and Bills fan, having no roof is definitely part of the culture, as odd as it may sound. Away teams coming to Highmark stadium to play in the elements has always been a factor. Bills have a quote they say “when it’s too tough for them, it’s just right for us”
They have not had many playoff games since the 90's where that has even been a factor. And when they are not a playoff team, the stadium is 3/4 full late in the season. It's not a factor!
@@thomas77597 It’s BS you all think differently. How the Playoff game at home last year end up? It made not a bit of a factor. As a matter of fact. The Bills FG kicker was affected by it!
@@Megamax-ms9xu It's because it doesn't make any economic sense and the government is corrupt and incompetent--well its only competency is mega corruption. People just keep going along with this stuff. It boggles my mind.
As a NYS resident this stadium pisses me off so much, just watching this video was hard!! GD billionaire owner makes the "WHOLE" state pay for his Buffalo stadium. Unreal we are on the hook for something only used 8 times a football season!!! I hate this WELFARE for billionaires while the rest of us struggle with simple medical bills. Than k you Kathy Hocul for your idiotic decision and making non football fans pay for this!!!!
Seems to me that the cost of putting a roof on the stadium would have been offset by all the other events they could have hosted during the winter. No roof in Buffalo is pretty shocking.
@slumped378 That's a false narrative. The Carrier Dome in Syracuse receives more than twice the amount of snow than Buffalo, and it's been standing since 1980. The reason they're not building a dome is strictly due to the added cost.
I just prefer games that have to deal with the elements sometimes. Plus we know how some teams try to really use it as an advantage or even a theme like a buffalo, or the old vikings, or even how the chiefs did miami this year. I ain't trynna see shit looking all cozy all the time especially late season... it's football. Something always nice about a snowy christmas game too
My favorite part is you have to buy into a "membership" or something like it, so that you can be given access to buy tickets. I guess if that's what you're into.
We went through this in Atlanta with the new stadium. The best thing they did was lower the price of the refreshments. I used to pay over $100 to buy snacks for my kids at the old stadium. Last time we went, I bought a drink and snack for everyone and it was less than $40. They were tired of the fans eating at all the other places in the area and not spending at the stadium.
Delaware North is out (good riddance), so hopefully that helps! The new contract for concessions (Legends Hospitality) hopefully is better. Honestly it won't take much to be better. Go Bills
Each team should have to fund their own stadium builds with their own money. No tax dollars. And no team should be allowed to have a new stadium until the year after they win a Superbowl.
@@paulo123- Because I am right. You can't claim to be a private enterprise and beg for tax money that not everyone even wants to pay. Either you pay for it yourself you don't get to have it. It's called accountability. A concept that is clearly foreign to you.
10,000 less seats an insane. Guess whos gonna eat that cost? Yep your upper level nose bleeds are now gonna require you to take a second mortgage on your house.
Metro area of Buffalo is a lot larger than 78th in the US especially when you considered the numerous surrounding cities (Southern Ontartio, Toronto, Rochester, etc.) that also support the team.
Buffalo's CSA is 48th in the country (over 1.2 million). Toronto and Rochester are definitely not considered to be inside BUFs CSA. Typically a CSA is the largest region covering a city. I'm not saying that fans around the greater region aren't coming to BUF to watch the games.
@@overbanked Not only do they come for Bills and Sabers games. They do their shopping and travel out of Buffalo International AirPort. So, to say it not the region is far from what residents of Buffalo see everyday. It’s all the same region.
@@overbanked They come everyday. The Buffalo drivers license are enhance to travel in and out of Southern Ontario daily. It’s bigger than they say. Count Ft Erie, St Catherine’s, Chrystal Beach, Niagara Falls Ontario. All of those places people come into and out of Buffalo daily.
A night, snow football game is one of the most valuable and unique tv products in the world. Us NFL fans rather enjoy bad weather football games. They're more fun.
It's really the last sport that has any connection to gladiators or warriors in the field. Taking part in the elements where you have to plan ahead for heat, rain, wind or snow which changes strategies. It makes each game unique with a built-in story before kickoff.
It was bad enough when they went to artificial turf. I grew up watching in the seventies when they were covered in mud and grass stains, snow games, the jerseys torn up. Now that was football
No offense, but as a resident of Austin, we would rather have an expansion team of our own. Transplant teams usually only bring half the fan base. Austin is too laid back for rabid fans. We still haven't paid off our billion dollar toll way that very few use. The Bills are steeped in tradition and hopefully will return to the Super Bowl. Good luck with hochul.
Hey, multi-billionaires. Stop holding your teams hostage, threatening relocation if taxpayers don't fund your new toybox. You're a multi-BILLIONAIRE. YOU pay for the stadium and/or get your billionaire buds to help pay in exchange for whatever.
@@eats4cheaps305 If that were true, then teams should have no problem getting loans from banks and paying them back. Especially teams that are worth over $6 billion. But for some reason they go to the taxpayers. Wonder why.
Then those SD fans can send tge Chargers money. The taxpayers as a whole do not have to. You want to send the Chargers $15,000? Well write them a check.
@kurtwicklund8901 well maybe u should run for office buddy. Cause the governor was the one who decided to pay for the stadium cause she thought her husband's company was gonna do the the food in the stadium so why don't y'all go to her house and let her know how to spend ur tax payer dollars.
When taxpayers pay for a stadium it should be a loan and not a gift. A large percentage of the profits should return to aid New Yorks pathetic excuse for an education system and infrastructure
New York spends more to educate a child than any state in the country ($30,300) and the US spends the second most per capita on education of any country in the world. If New York State’s education is in shambles, it’s not due to funding.
Technically the team rents the stadium from the tax payers. For something like $10,000/year. And the Bill's owners get 100% of all concessions sales for any event hosted there. Complete corruption. Stop watching sports.
IT IS A LOAN. Against the potential tax revenue NYS gets from the athletes across the 30 year lifespan. We can even calculate that tax revenue because we have a NFL salary cap
Why should the taxpayers even loan money to billionaires to support their hobbies. It's utterly disgusting. If it makes economic sense to build a stadium, then they can easily get private investment.
I don’t understand how they could build a stadium that has 10,000 less capacity than the older stadium ? You’ve gotta be kidding me ! I mean, if you’re going to do something, you might as well do it right.
@@eats4cheaps305 The problem with your statement is the fact that many times taxes are used to fund these things and taxes are either created or raised to do it as well. But when the money is supposedly paid back according to you, the taxpayers don't get their money back. Ever. Also, whatever taxes are created or raised, continue on forever and end up being used for other things. Screwing the taxpayer in the end even more.
And not just have one city pass a law. There should be nationwide laws banning the subsidizing of major professional sports franchises in both Canada and the United States. Maybe in Mexico as well. Otherwise team owners will always threaten to move to another city that is willing to subsidize a pro sports team. Even requiring a referendum first would be effective. Just like with cities thinking of putting money into a bid for the Olympics if a city is thinking of subsidizing a professional sports franchise voters will virtually always vote no in a referendum. Politicians want to use taxpayers money to fund a team so they can get their picture taken cutting a ribbon but taxpayers don't think it's worth it.
Of all the gripes I have with this, the biggest one is the lowered capacity by TEN THOUSAND seats. I'm trying to go to as many games as possible these next two seasons because I assume I will never be able to afford a ticket, let alone find an available one, in the new stadium
It's because they didn't sell out every game and have averaged around 8k too few seats filled over the past decade. Can't be having a new stadium with a ton of seats and then getting blackouts.
@@eats4cheaps305 Where did you hear this? Average attendance for games has been 70k+ the past few seasons. I've never had an empty seat next to me at the Ralph unless it was a seriously inclement weather game, and even then the stadium is packed.
I probably dont understand how all of this stuff in USA works, but youre telling me he can pay half of the money for the stadium with tax money and at the end he owns all of it?????
Americans have this weird knack of subjugating themselves to prop up the rich. Bailouts, tax breaks, all this socialism talk is to benefit the rich not the people.
They don't technically own it, they rent it from the tax payers for a ridiculously small amount of money. And they get all of the mo ey from concessions for any event held there (concerts, etc). It's a ridiculously corrupt practice of the rich helping the rich and screwing the average taxpayer. I stopped watching sports lo g ago because of it. It's too bad so many Americans are obsessed with sports- it allows this to continue. And this was the country that started a revolution over being taxed on tea......
Nope. He paid for half, will pay the other money back by the end of the lease. And then will have to renegotiate the lease after the first lease period. This will likely result in either a buy-out to own the stadium outright or they'll reach another agreement to build a new stadium.
@@eats4cheaps305 This can also be done through a bank. There is no need to involve government or taxpayers. Seriously dude, you keep repeating this same nonsense but can't explain how someone worth over $6 billion can't get a loan from a bank for $1.7 billion and will be making money every year with it. That makes no sense. They can also go to the NFL for money if need be. If a new stadium will benefit the team and Buffalo, it will also benefit the NFL. Win-win for both. But you seem hell bent on involving taxpayer money to pay for this with no guarantee that the taxpayer will benefit from it in the end. So many studies have said as much.
@@eats4cheaps305 Once again, so why not go to a bank? It's what they are there for, right? Why are they going to the government and asking for taxpayer money? Borrowing $900 mil to some banks is pocket change. Especially when someone is worth over $6 billion.
I always thought that NFL teams should look at the design of soccer stadiums. Fans are closer to field, seats covered with overhang and they look amazing.
"I'm a billionaire and I feel that the taxpayer should give me all that tax money simply because I don't want taxpayers to have it. I'm a Capitalist, you see ... "
I live in the greater Phoenix area, and I meet an incredibly large number of Buffalo Bills fans. It appears to me that if so many people from the Buffalo area have moved away, then why don't the Bills move to a region with a greater population?
Even with a roof, it would be a high risk to schedule a Super Bowl with the severity of the conditions up here in the winter. Possibility of a two foot snow fall a few days before the game would cause major logistic problems for all vested interest.
Call it what you want but local politicians don't want to shoulder the blame for losing a multibillion dollar NFL franchise which means so much to the city/state. So the $850M is a premium that must be met. The alternative is to let the owner excercise his legal right to move his franchise elsewhere and then Buffalo would have to get inline for an expansion team that could take a decade to secure and then the taxpayers will have to shoulder the burden of a tax levy anyway.
There is no room within the city for a stadium. Nor can the city handle the flow of traffic that the game brings. Even OP struggles with traffic control when there is a home game. Parking is sprawled out all over the place for a mile. I stay completely away from that area when there is a home game. Traffic is a nightmare.
I love how we always use the “renovations will cost 2/3 or 75% of a brand new stadium and only be good for 10-15 more years so we might as well build new.” See you in that same 10-15 years when the owners say this new stadium needs renovations. It never stops. Enough is enough you can own a NFL you can pay for your own damn stadium owners. Kroenke paid nearly $7B for SoFi, relocation and the lawsuit. Clearly every other owner can for their own workplaces for 1/3 or even half that.
Some Billionaires don't want to use a loan to pay back the cost of their stadium and own the stadium outright. The reason the Raiders moved is not because of free money, but the city willing to front cash that the Billionaire did not want to front. The city, state, county, etc all get their money back over the term of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305 Sigh. So why don't they get a bank to front the cash? It's what banks do. They only need about $900 mil in this case. The owner is worth over $6 billion. The idea is the same. Get a loan. Pay it back. Only it's from a bank instead of the government/taxpayers. There's obviously more to it than what you are suggesting. They must be making out better with taxpayer money vs. bank money otherwise you wouldn't have to threaten to move your team.
The money gets paid back over the terms of the lease agreement. Three city, county, and state are going to actually walk away with a bit more money in their pocket. It'll just take 30 years.
As a Cheesehead, I gotta say, every Bills fan should boycott this waste of money by not attending any home games this season. Make the owners either add a roof or flip the full cost of the stadium. Don't give them another $ until they do.
I tried to talk to several state lawmakers in my area, Elmira NY about the Property tax to fund the stadium owned by a Billionaire who lives in Boca Raton Florida. No one wanted to talk about it before the vote. It was voted on quietly in March 2023. I lived in Philly when Governor Ed Rendell used School Debt Bonds to fund 4 stadiums, one baseball and one football each in Philly and Pittsburgh. I could not understand how school debts could be used to fund private sports stadiums for teams with wealthy individual owners. But the Bills Stadium will cost almost 3x the cost of those pennsylvania stadiums. Here we are June 2025 and honeowners in New York will just start getting tax bills to biy a stadium for a Billionaire from Boca.
@@eats4cheaps305 Doesn't explain why they don't just get the money from a bank then and not threaten the state with moving the team. Seems logical doesn't it? You're assuming that they will be in the black. No evidence of that. Never is. Study after study has proven that. Big promises and people like you believing the talk, but in the end the benefit is negligible at best. Oh and I'll guarantee you that taxpayers won't get any money back even if they do make money. The problem with governments isn't revenue, it's spending. If they do make money off this, they will just find ways to waste it and then hit taxpayers with other fees or taxes because they don't have enough money.
The no roof still boggles my mind. No super bowls, no college bowls, can’t be used for any other events in the winter. Concerts, monster truck / motor cross, conventions etc. I know the cost would have ballooned even more but knowing that over $400 million is coming from casino money how bad of a deal is this to taxpayers? Just goes to show you how much revenue 9 home games brings to the region in taxes and money to local businesses.
I wonder how a roof would support the weight. They annual get over 150 inches of snow a year in a 4 month span. And most of that amount comes from about 5 major snowfalls.
@@wendull811 they have roofs in Minnesota, Detroit and Toronto (not for football but still have a domed stadium for years. With technology now, they can put a roof on anywhere.
@seen48 I still wonder how that roof would support that weight. I'm sure than can but the real question is would it be worth it? Edit: I thought the roof collapsed in Minnesota due to the weight of the snow.
You gotta make the owners happy I think it’s pretty fair the owners are paying for half when really they don’t have to pay anything. The citizens pay the other half which will go towards bringing more jobs and a better entertainment experience to the city. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Some may look at this as the owners are being greedy but that’s business why would the owners just pay for everything they want to make money to. Just because they are rich dosnt mean they have to fund everything.
Why are public funds available? Our politicians are awarded free box to entertain and fund raise, feed the pigs…the stadiums always run way over estimated cost…the league earns billions, using public funds is disgusting
It's a loan. The money gets paid back over the term of the lease plus they are able to actually accurately calculate the tax revenue generated. So they do end up with more money than they put into it.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea sure it does. Why not go to a bank then? Why can't a guy worth over $6 billion come up with an extra $900 mil? Why does the team have to threaten the city with moving if it's such a great deal? Why do studies say the same thing, that the costs outweigh the benefits? Why don't taxpayers ever actually get their money back? They don't end up getting tax breaks after 10 or 20 years. Any taxes created or raised or used for stuff like this just end up being continued indefinitely.
@@zo62 im in the bay area and our Bart bay area rapid transit is suffering financially. Theyre going to run out of the covid funding they got back in 2021. Now theyre looking for more funding from the city and losing ridership pre covid. Bart is dying and i dont know where theyll get their money from.
@@SecretAsianYoshi all transit systems don’t make money on their own. Even if you privatize them they will lose money there meant for the betterment of the city not financially independent
The risk of collapse from snow is to great to try putting a roof over the stadium in a snow belt city like Buffalo NY . They get record snow fall off the great lakes ,and if the lakes don't freeze over it snows even more.
@@nonenone1534 didn’t the Meteodome cave in because of snow? And yes I’m aware in 2024 they would build a better engineered roof. Just saying it has happened.
You know this is ludicrous, right? Upstate taxpayers are subsidized by the NYC area. Always have been, always will be. Most counties upstate don't have the tax revenue to pay for schools, let alone repave roads. It's the same in every state. The Metro areas subsidize the rural areas.
Buffalo is nothing like upstate NY. It's WNY. Upstate says Soda, Buffalo says pop. And it is nothing like Syracuse, Albany, Binghamton, Yonkers, Peekskill, or any of those places. It really is not.
Not arguing the point but do realize how much is spent on other industries either by tax breaks or by-outs? This is nothing new and has been happening for hundreds of years.
@@davidcostantino1838 I do but the owners of the Bills are billionaires. Once the stadium is built they to will own it outright it will be their asset even though 850 million in public resources are being spent on it. Yes, sales tax and other money will be generated by the Bills but how long will it take for the money to be regenerated by the state. Furthermore, the owners basically threatened to moved the team! That's terrible to even suggest that considering the Bills are treasured by the fans in Buffalo! The league is generating huge money off TV and they should be financing these huge stadiums with owners. I know that since the Rams left St Louis local bars and business haven't recovered but most of the stadiums that are sold to be great for local residents but need public funding never really meet the lofty projections the owners sell the people. Oh, and then there's only a truly small segment of the public can actually afford to go to an NFL games in the big fancy Stadiums. 850 million could have given a lot of teachers as raises among other things. I am glad the Bills and their fans are getting a new Stadium but the owners threatening to move the team if they don't get public money is shameless and every NFL billionaire owner does it and it's wrong after fans have been loyal for years! I think tax payers had to pay way to much on this stadium. Again, good for the fans and I am glad the Bills are staying in Buffalo, but it's a high cost to the state and Erie County.
Honestly, they really picked the perfect time for this since the Bills have been good the past little while and their value is through the roof atm. The only thing that's weird is they spent so much money just to stick with the Orchard Park location.
Minnesota had a dome collapse from SNOW. Syracuse Universities Dome is 50 years old and has had close to collapse issues and will need to be replaced with something better.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea, because no team ever in any sport has ever threatened to move. Lol. What planet have you been living on? Whether it's the negotiating team or the owners makes no difference. It amounts to the same thing. Do the owners not control that team? Do they not have the final say? Seriously. As if it's some separate group that is going to tell the owners how to run the business.
What?? That is *crazy,* that they are building a $1.7B stadium with 10,000 *fewer* seats? Can't wait to see the cost to attend games there, once it opens..
Fans and the team didn't want a roof on the stadium. Part of the Bills culture is playing in the snow, so many legendary snow games over the years. It's like a 1/3rd roof. Most of the snow will go down onto the field instead of the stands, which is what you want, because the field is a lot easier to clear off than all the seats are. We saw that this year with the Bills vs Steelers playoff game that had to get postponed 24 hours due to a lake effect blizzard that dumped like 4-5ft of snow down onto the stadium. So they get to keep the outdoor stadium experience, but it'll be way easier to deal with inclimate weather. They'll still get snow games, fans will be more comfortable without having to sit in a foot of snow on their seats, pretty much a win-win. Idk me personally I just think a covered stadium would've been antithetical to the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty much part of their identity given it's Buffalo NY and them getting 1 foot of snow is like anywhere else getting a light rain. They're just used to it up there. The only downside I can see is if they aren't eligible to host a super bowl because of it. They have hosted a super bowl at Metlife down in Jersey/NYC before, as recently as like 10 years ago. Though even if it was a domed stadium, I don't think the NFL would choose it anyway because they'd much rather host a super bowl in a large market, with a big city and preferably warmer weather.
Ya idiot a roof would be an extra 25 million. The only teams that have roofs or domes are those that host other events like concerts. Bills can’t cuz they don’t have the infrastructure or hotels 🏨
And? Billionaires should always have to fund the construction of their own stadium. Just another case of socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Exactly how most of these billionaires amassed such wealth on the backs of others. Taxpayers will never profit from it's use so why should anyone else fund it?
Syracuse has had a dome for the last 44 years with no issues, and they receive way more snow than Buffalo. It was another billion they didn't want to pay.
Buffalo really needed an enclosed/indoor like Ford Field in Detroit. Detroit takes lots of heat as a declining rust belt city. However has 4x the metro population of Buffalo, and has all 4 major sports teams.
@@dnasty312they had several options, #1 being the old Perry projects area next to the casino downtown. It would've cost an extra billion to build it outside of the current stadium area supposedly.
The state spends more than $600 million per year on welfare benefits alone. In fact, benefits to the under privileged budget in NYS is more per year than the net worth of all thr NFL owners combined.
@@AAA-o4git's actually more. Which is why they're more than okay with this deal. They put up some money now and then they get all of that back in the first 14 years of the lease agreement and then continued but lower payments over the final 16 years.
Government is investing in a national tradition of NFL football in cold weather and the main surprising part is that the gov won't own half of it . After all, they are paying half
I'm a Bill Mafia member. It actually will hold about 20k less people. That said, most of us think realistically, that is a good thing. Buffalo, as you mentioned, is not a huge city. And the current stadium can be difficult to fill. Especially in the years the Bills aren't doing as good. Not selling out has implications for watching the games on TV. So this is welcome. Although when the Bills are playing good, it's going to be a lot more expensive to get tickets.
It’s not a bad deal tho. The chiefs are having this issue now. I believe Erie county owns the majority of the old stadium which means that 1 billion dollar renovation cost is due by tax payers. And I don’t believe the owners own the new stadium I believe New York State does. If the owners did actually own the new stadium then that would be the best deal. Like the rams owner actually owns the stadium bills have a lease agreement which is why even if they did move it wouldn’t have been right away or the owner would have to refund money that he clearly doesn’t want to pay.
That is correct. Erie County will not own the new stadium. That will be New York State. After 15 years, the Pegulas will have the right to buy the state out of owning the new stadium. My prediction is that will likely happen.
We went through this in Minnesota a few years ago. Nothing like old fashioned extortion. We should always help the rich. It's the american way.
Why are people acting like literally every new stadium isn't mostly taxpayer funded?
@@yoursodumn remember folks, investment into a large venue that brings in tourism and generates millions of dollars a year is bad, but not when a Government wastes even more money on bus lines that don't bring any financial benefit to anyone but the loser class
Considering most NFL owners are jewish, its no surprise they extort the public for their expenses.
The state makes more money than they spend... because it all gets paid back over the terms of the lease.
To be fair, the Vikings provide the whole state with SO much revenue, local business will reap the benefits for years. Restaurants, sporting goods, etc. The Super Bowl alone brings a city avg of 1.2 B
Stupidity that knows no bounds, total and ridiculous waste. Don't worry Buffalo, Cleveland's new stadium deal will make your deal look much better.
How is it stupid
Cleveland gets a new one ?
Buffalo isn't the only team in the NFL that uses public funds. Hence why the county owns the stadium not the team. Only team to not use public money for a stadium is the Rams and that's it outta what like 30 stadiums in the NFL.
What’s Cleveland’s new stadium deal?? Their stadium isn’t that old, is it??
They want to scam the surrounding counties with sales tax to help give welfare to billionaires to help support the sports/gambling industry. It's gross. I hope the clowns move onto some other city. The current stadium isn't even that old. It's ridiculous.
No Roof
Only 62k seats
No Superbowl
Taxpayers (Statewide) are on the hook for 50% of the cost.
Wow, just wow
Is that worth a billion?
So much revenue will be generated from the community around the stadium. Long term it’s a great move but not everyone can see long term
Taxpayers are on the hook for lots of things like student debt forgiveness and illegal migrant health care thanks to Democrat crooks, that run New York state.
Serves New York City right. That overpopulated island makes my sales tax high and takes away from this vast state. The least they can do is help pay for the stadium.
Buffalo doesn't have enough hotel rooms to host a Super Bowl
Love how this is being compared to the Tottenham Hotspurs stadium, which was completely funded by the club through a combination of their own money and financing. No taxpayers money.
I think it's being compared with its design not how it was financed.
Where’s the financing coming from? Computers?
@@poluticonpoint being all NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA teams should fund the majority if not all their stadium cost. Most MLS teams pay more than half of their stadium costs.
I've been going to Bills games since 1967, I was 6. Going to the Rock pile and Rich Stadiums. I'm going to 1 more game in my life, the new Highmark Stadium. Truthfully I could have cared less if they stayed. Our area has more needs than a stadium. But you know, if our disfunctional county and state politicians want to waste money sure give us a stadium
@@theCranesUS There a real problem in your statement when you’re comparing soccer to Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, and Football in America! Hell Golf is more popular than Soccer, here in the US that is!
So tired of tax payers paying for these stadiums.
They don't. They loan the money and it gets paid back over the terms of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305then they should full disclose the details of the contract since taxpayers paid for it. Would you agree?
@@Joe-dy1qvthe agreement is public record in full.
The state recoups their costs by keeping 53 wealthy athletes in their area paying state income tax on their salary in the stadium (so 106 players at a cap of 240 mil divided by 2 as only half their games are in NYS)
@@zerotothe0ne Where is the public record that states the stadium will be paid back? Raccuia who works for Pegula Sports stated this, but it's only an assertion (per NY times). The state is also on the hook for 100 mil maintenance and 180 mil in improvements.
Taxpayers and fans have a choice but they won't give up the "high" from this sports "drug"...NFL...
Kind of fun that the couple worth nearly 8 Billion dollars, demanded tax payers pay for the 1 billion dollar stadium or they'd move. Thats how you increase fan loyalty!
When the Bills finally win the Super Bowl you’ll probably name your kid Terry
Yea I mean thats just how it works. The precedent has been set many times over now. Not the owners' fault that state & local governments all over the country started shelling out huge money to build new stadiums. If Buffalo didn't do it some other city would have
The new stadium will generate so much revenue to the community and many locals will get to enjoy an amazing stadium
If the owners pay for the full stadium then they shouldn’t have to pay any taxes on revenue generated from it
@@Cg41633they can set the ticket prices to whatever they want so that shouldn’t matter
Can magically come up with 600 million for a football stadium but can’t pay police or give kids a school lunch.
That’s the state of affairs in this country nowadays 😒 SAD and the owners will own it outright…. They could have PAID 100 percent of it and STILL been worth 4 BILLION dollars not including ALL the PROCEEDS they will make
Welcome to America. No one cares about social capital anymore, rich people just send their kids to private school and live in small suburbs with their own cops.
What community in NY can't pay police or give kids a school lunch...also all 600k came from Seneca Indian casino payment that they were withholding hoping to get out of
Yes, let’s keep paying overweight and out of shape cops to stand around, swipes through their phones, take naps in their police cruisers, and gossip to each other all day long. Where do I sign the checks? 😅
They don't pay police because the police officer themselves move to place were no State taxes so police officer defund themselves
As an upstate NY native and Bills fan, having no roof is definitely part of the culture, as odd as it may sound. Away teams coming to Highmark stadium to play in the elements has always been a factor. Bills have a quote they say “when it’s too tough for them, it’s just right for us”
What makes you think that the Bills will be there forever to play playoff games? They may have to go elsewhere to play.
They have not had many playoff games since the 90's where that has even been a factor. And when they are not a playoff team, the stadium is 3/4 full late in the season. It's not a factor!
@@markgolden6265this a pure BS.
@@thomas77597 It’s BS you all think differently. How the Playoff game at home last year end up? It made not a bit of a factor. As a matter of fact. The Bills FG kicker was affected by it!
It’s like Walmart asking tax payers to pay for a new and bigger store🤬get a loan from the bank like everyone else!
They got a loan. It's just from the state of NY instead of a bank.
@@eats4cheaps305 If it's that simple, then why didn't the Bills get a loan from a bank, pay the entire bill and pay the bank back?
Walmart is a better investment
@@Megamax-ms9xu It's because it doesn't make any economic sense and the government is corrupt and incompetent--well its only competency is mega corruption. People just keep going along with this stuff. It boggles my mind.
That's absurd. The city isn't going to get even $100 million in benefits from it. So wild
As a NYS resident this stadium pisses me off so much, just watching this video was hard!! GD billionaire owner makes the "WHOLE" state pay for his Buffalo stadium. Unreal we are on the hook for something only used 8 times a football season!!! I hate this WELFARE for billionaires while the rest of us struggle with simple medical bills. Than k you Kathy Hocul for your idiotic decision and making non football fans pay for this!!!!
Move away then
Welcome to the wonderful world of MAGA.
@@harrycooper5231 yeah ok!! Pretty sure this got started in the Biden era fool
@@bricknmotor LMAO, someone who looks up intellectually to the moron Trump calling someone else a "fool." The irony. 🤣
@@bricknmotor Remember when Trump suggested injecting household disinfectants as a cure for covid. That was AWESOME!
Seems to me that the cost of putting a roof on the stadium would have been offset by all the other events they could have hosted during the winter. No roof in Buffalo is pretty shocking.
It snows too much in Buffalo. The roof would be a risk with all the weight from the snow.
@slumped378 That's a false narrative. The Carrier Dome in Syracuse receives more than twice the amount of snow than Buffalo, and it's been standing since 1980. The reason they're not building a dome is strictly due to the added cost.
I just prefer games that have to deal with the elements sometimes. Plus we know how some teams try to really use it as an advantage or even a theme like a buffalo, or the old vikings, or even how the chiefs did miami this year. I ain't trynna see shit looking all cozy all the time especially late season... it's football. Something always nice about a snowy christmas game too
@@nicholasdunn7258 but that means the stadium cannot be used for concerts or other events during winter ...
@@slumped378 the snow would be a risk.....because the roofs of all other buildings in Buffalo that have the same snow are all collapsing?
Wait till the fans find out how much tickets will be and there’s less capacity. They’ll have to take out a second mortgage.
And they will because the BILLS MAFIA are stupid enough to do it.
I'll still pay for it
My favorite part is you have to buy into a "membership" or something like it, so that you can be given access to buy tickets. I guess if that's what you're into.
They will relocate if you don't pay for it
@@Abdi-libaax see ya.
We went through this in Atlanta with the new stadium. The best thing they did was lower the price of the refreshments. I used to pay over $100 to buy snacks for my kids at the old stadium. Last time we went, I bought a drink and snack for everyone and it was less than $40. They were tired of the fans eating at all the other places in the area and not spending at the stadium.
Delaware North is out (good riddance), so hopefully that helps! The new contract for concessions (Legends Hospitality) hopefully is better. Honestly it won't take much to be better. Go Bills
Wow who would have thought people don’t want to be scammed out of their money, and actually used their brains to find a better alternative
Each team should have to fund their own stadium builds with their own money. No tax dollars. And no team should be allowed to have a new stadium until the year after they win a Superbowl.
The lease agreements they use makes it so the teams pay back all that money.
How about we let each community make the decision rather than you being a dictator
Awful take
@@eats4cheaps305 They never ever pay it all back. Its an endless cycle.
@@paulo123- Because I am right. You can't claim to be a private enterprise and beg for tax money that not everyone even wants to pay. Either you pay for it yourself you don't get to have it. It's called accountability. A concept that is clearly foreign to you.
10,000 less seats an insane. Guess whos gonna eat that cost? Yep your upper level nose bleeds are now gonna require you to take a second mortgage on your house.
Metro area of Buffalo is a lot larger than 78th in the US especially when you considered the numerous surrounding cities (Southern Ontartio, Toronto, Rochester, etc.) that also support the team.
It's huge, they always say that and growing up there we get CTV and they get the Buffalo stations.
Buffalo's CSA is 48th in the country (over 1.2 million). Toronto and Rochester are definitely not considered to be inside BUFs CSA. Typically a CSA is the largest region covering a city. I'm not saying that fans around the greater region aren't coming to BUF to watch the games.
@@overbanked Not only do they come for Bills and Sabers games. They do their shopping and travel out of Buffalo International AirPort. So, to say it not the region is far from what residents of Buffalo see everyday. It’s all the same region.
@@overbanked They come everyday. The Buffalo drivers license are enhance to travel in and out of Southern Ontario daily. It’s bigger than they say. Count Ft Erie, St Catherine’s, Chrystal Beach, Niagara Falls Ontario. All of those places people come into and out of Buffalo daily.
I’ve got lots of pals in the Jamestown/Chatauqua region 90 minutes south by car who go to every home game. They’re also in the Buffalo tv market.
A night, snow football game is one of the most valuable and unique tv products in the world. Us NFL fans rather enjoy bad weather football games. They're more fun.
For real and there's snow. Win-win for me
It's really the last sport that has any connection to gladiators or warriors in the field. Taking part in the elements where you have to plan ahead for heat, rain, wind or snow which changes strategies. It makes each game unique with a built-in story before kickoff.
It was bad enough when they went to artificial turf. I grew up watching in the seventies when they were covered in mud and grass stains, snow games, the jerseys torn up. Now that was football
@daviddigital6887 Yeah but nobody really wants to watch that
@@Kings0424 Speak for youself
No offense, but as a resident of Austin, we would rather have an expansion team of our own. Transplant teams usually only bring half the fan base. Austin is too laid back for rabid fans. We still haven't paid off our billion dollar toll way that very few use. The Bills are steeped in tradition and hopefully will return to the Super Bowl. Good luck with hochul.
Austin is the new L.A. East. Transplant city, laid back.
they weren't coming that was just a leverage tactic
A tradition of missing and losing super bowls time after time 😂
San Antonio will get one before Austin, y'all a soccer city
@@Barbariandisks that and cfb. San Antonio is the most sensible place for any sort of relocation or expansion, but Jerry will never allow it.
Hey, multi-billionaires. Stop holding your teams hostage, threatening relocation if taxpayers don't fund your new toybox. You're a multi-BILLIONAIRE. YOU pay for the stadium and/or get your billionaire buds to help pay in exchange for whatever.
Federal laws should be passed to stop this Corporate Extortion of local taxpayers. But we know why it is not happening.
THE MONEY GETS PAID BACK OVER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.
Billionaires use their wealth and power to leverage greater earnings. That’s how the world works.
@@eats4cheaps305 If that were true, then teams should have no problem getting loans from banks and paying them back. Especially teams that are worth over $6 billion. But for some reason they go to the taxpayers. Wonder why.
Almost $2B and no roof?!?
They did a survey. No roof.
They don’t want a roof
They really should have a roof anyways
Why the fuck would you want a roof?
Too much snow load bro… it’s Buffalo NY not Miami 💀
Glad San Diego told the Chargers to pound sand.
Yeah not many San Diegans feel that way. I know tons of Charger fans they would have loved chargers to stay
Then those SD fans can send tge Chargers money. The taxpayers as a whole do not have to. You want to send the Chargers $15,000? Well write them a check.
I’m not
@kurtwicklund8901 well maybe u should run for office buddy. Cause the governor was the one who decided to pay for the stadium cause she thought her husband's company was gonna do the the food in the stadium so why don't y'all go to her house and let her know how to spend ur tax payer dollars.
When taxpayers pay for a stadium it should be a loan and not a gift. A large percentage of the profits should return to aid New Yorks pathetic excuse for an education system and infrastructure
New York spends more to educate a child than any state in the country ($30,300) and the US spends the second most per capita on education of any country in the world. If New York State’s education is in shambles, it’s not due to funding.
@@SeiyaSoiya-un4jjlots of wasted spending
Technically the team rents the stadium from the tax payers. For something like $10,000/year. And the Bill's owners get 100% of all concessions sales for any event hosted there. Complete corruption. Stop watching sports.
IT IS A LOAN. Against the potential tax revenue NYS gets from the athletes across the 30 year lifespan. We can even calculate that tax revenue because we have a NFL salary cap
Why should the taxpayers even loan money to billionaires to support their hobbies. It's utterly disgusting. If it makes economic sense to build a stadium, then they can easily get private investment.
I don’t understand how they could build a stadium that has 10,000 less capacity than the older stadium ?
You’ve gotta be kidding me ! I mean, if you’re going to do something, you might as well do it right.
and at one time the capacity at the old stadium was about 80,000
There was an issue for many years of the stadium not selling out. The average was about 8k short or so.
You have more suites with the TV deal the stadium capacity is irrelevant in 2024...you just need those suites at capacity...
Simple: our population took a huge hit in the 80s and 90s. We still sell 72k but barely. Reducing seats allows us to not get blacked out.
@@douglasroethlin3839no it wasn't.
We need to pass laws that zero tax dollars or tax breaks can be used on sports teams stadiums.
Can't. It's a business decision and the money gets paid back over the terms of the lease. It's an exchange.
@@eats4cheaps305 The problem with your statement is the fact that many times taxes are used to fund these things and taxes are either created or raised to do it as well. But when the money is supposedly paid back according to you, the taxpayers don't get their money back. Ever. Also, whatever taxes are created or raised, continue on forever and end up being used for other things. Screwing the taxpayer in the end even more.
And not just have one city pass a law.
There should be nationwide laws banning the subsidizing of major professional sports franchises in both Canada and the United States.
Maybe in Mexico as well.
Otherwise team owners will always threaten to move to another city that is willing to subsidize a pro sports team.
Even requiring a referendum first would be effective.
Just like with cities thinking of putting money into a bid for the Olympics if a city is thinking of subsidizing a professional sports franchise
voters will virtually always vote no in a referendum.
Politicians want to use taxpayers money to fund a team so they can get their picture taken cutting a ribbon but taxpayers don't think it's worth it.
Of all the gripes I have with this, the biggest one is the lowered capacity by TEN THOUSAND seats. I'm trying to go to as many games as possible these next two seasons because I assume I will never be able to afford a ticket, let alone find an available one, in the new stadium
Stop supporting this corruption by ignoring the game. It's the only way to fight back.
It's because they didn't sell out every game and have averaged around 8k too few seats filled over the past decade. Can't be having a new stadium with a ton of seats and then getting blackouts.
@@eats4cheaps305 Where did you hear this? Average attendance for games has been 70k+ the past few seasons. I've never had an empty seat next to me at the Ralph unless it was a seriously inclement weather game, and even then the stadium is packed.
10k seats but total capacity will be just as high with standing room only areas and suites
No roof not good...
When this stadium built . I hope they would host an outdoor game for the Buffalo Sabres .
why? The Sabres need to make the playoffs before they host another game.
I probably dont understand how all of this stuff in USA works, but youre telling me he can pay half of the money for the stadium with tax money and at the end he owns all of it?????
Americans have this weird knack of subjugating themselves to prop up the rich. Bailouts, tax breaks, all this socialism talk is to benefit the rich not the people.
They don't technically own it, they rent it from the tax payers for a ridiculously small amount of money. And they get all of the mo ey from concessions for any event held there (concerts, etc). It's a ridiculously corrupt practice of the rich helping the rich and screwing the average taxpayer. I stopped watching sports lo g ago because of it. It's too bad so many Americans are obsessed with sports- it allows this to continue. And this was the country that started a revolution over being taxed on tea......
Yep. It is called a scam. Steal from the rubes. The men children who have nothing else in their lives.
Nope. He paid for half, will pay the other money back by the end of the lease. And then will have to renegotiate the lease after the first lease period. This will likely result in either a buy-out to own the stadium outright or they'll reach another agreement to build a new stadium.
@@eats4cheaps305 This can also be done through a bank. There is no need to involve government or taxpayers. Seriously dude, you keep repeating this same nonsense but can't explain how someone worth over $6 billion can't get a loan from a bank for $1.7 billion and will be making money every year with it. That makes no sense. They can also go to the NFL for money if need be. If a new stadium will benefit the team and Buffalo, it will also benefit the NFL. Win-win for both. But you seem hell bent on involving taxpayer money to pay for this with no guarantee that the taxpayer will benefit from it in the end. So many studies have said as much.
a new NFL stadium with no dome. thank god.
Did they put on the ballot for the citizens to vote on paying for this?
No. wouldn't even consider it.
It's a loan, not a payout.
@@eats4cheaps305 So, the city is taking out a loan in which the taxpayers will ultimately payback.
Another taxpayer funded project for the tax exempt NFL
That should make tons of money off our funding
The NFL is tax-exempt because the 32 individual teams owned by the 32 billionaire owners are the taxed entities.
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease
@@eats4cheaps305 Once again, so why not go to a bank? It's what they are there for, right? Why are they going to the government and asking for taxpayer money? Borrowing $900 mil to some banks is pocket change. Especially when someone is worth over $6 billion.
Buffalo cannot support a Super Bowl primarily due to a lack of hotels to house the impact a SB would bring on the local area.
Well even then they’re still missing out on concert revenue and other indoor events, no roof is a bad idea
@@rapid9534😀 Let's give Lambeau a roof too, eh? 😒
Like Jacksonville that one year 🛥
@@rapid9534they've never had a roof. A mass survey involving Bills fans showed that a vast majority of fans did not want a roof.
@@dnasty312 why would they put a roof on an already historic stadium?💀
I always thought that NFL teams should look at the design of soccer stadiums. Fans are closer to field, seats covered with overhang and they look amazing.
"I'm a billionaire and I feel that the taxpayer should give me all that tax money simply because I don't want taxpayers to have it. I'm a Capitalist, you see ... "
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease.
That snow sure has guaranteed Super Bowl wins..
The snow and/or wind helped get the Bills to the Super Bowl in 1991 and 1993. Possibly even 1990 where they didnt need the weathers help.
Dude said guaranteed super bowl wins for the Bills. Only if you’re the Patriots. 😂
No SB will ever occur there WITHOUT a roof. Specially in February and when it is -10 below. Not smart.
@@carlossaenz7485 No Super Bowl will happen there WITH a roof
@@RichV20 No it did not. They lost in the 60's with home a home Championship game. They still lost to the
Chargers from sunny San Diago
Ppl from Toronto come to Buffalo games too
Not sure why they aren't installing a retractable roof. Pretty short sighted.
As a former resident of Buffalo, this story makes me very happy to say
that I’m a former resident of Buffalo 😊
Me too! And I will never go back because I found peace!
Yea y'all not missed
@@joseyzadoria7815 it’s called demographics…yo 😉
@@bricknmotor Keep paying your taxes, the sheep depend on you!
I live in the greater Phoenix area, and I meet an incredibly large number of Buffalo Bills fans. It appears to me that if so many people from the Buffalo area have moved away, then why don't the Bills move to a region with a greater population?
Well made video, lots of potential for this channel…
Even with a roof, it would be a high risk to schedule a Super Bowl with the severity of the conditions up here in the winter. Possibility of a two foot snow fall a few days before the game would cause major logistic problems for all vested interest.
2 Super Bowls in Minneapolis, 2 in Detroit area, 1 in Indianapolis, 1 in New York City area. No, it would be fine.
That’s why you build the transit system coming into the stadium.
@@steveralston8837lol😂
@steveralston8837 none of those cities mentioned get lake effect blizzards like Buffalo does. It's a whole different level there.
The region literally doesn’t have enough hotel rooms to host the Super Bowl or Final Four. Would be a nonstarter.
Call it what you want but local politicians don't want to shoulder the blame for losing a multibillion dollar NFL franchise which means so much to the city/state.
So the $850M is a premium that must be met. The alternative is to let the owner excercise his legal right to move his franchise elsewhere and then Buffalo would have to get inline for an expansion team that could take a decade to secure and then the taxpayers will have to shoulder the burden of a tax levy anyway.
stadium should be a dome on the outer harbor or downtown - like Detroit or Indianapolis - no hotels in OP
They looked for a spot for over a year. Couldn't find a viable one
There is no room within the city for a stadium. Nor can the city handle the flow of traffic that the game brings. Even OP struggles with traffic control when there is a home game. Parking is sprawled out all over the place for a mile. I stay completely away from that area when there is a home game. Traffic is a nightmare.
I love how we always use the “renovations will cost 2/3 or 75% of a brand new stadium and only be good for 10-15 more years so we might as well build new.” See you in that same 10-15 years when the owners say this new stadium needs renovations. It never stops. Enough is enough you can own a NFL you can pay for your own damn stadium owners. Kroenke paid nearly $7B for SoFi, relocation and the lawsuit. Clearly every other owner can for their own workplaces for 1/3 or even half that.
Some Billionaires don't want to use a loan to pay back the cost of their stadium and own the stadium outright. The reason the Raiders moved is not because of free money, but the city willing to front cash that the Billionaire did not want to front. The city, state, county, etc all get their money back over the term of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305 Sigh. So why don't they get a bank to front the cash? It's what banks do. They only need about $900 mil in this case. The owner is worth over $6 billion. The idea is the same. Get a loan. Pay it back. Only it's from a bank instead of the government/taxpayers. There's obviously more to it than what you are suggesting. They must be making out better with taxpayer money vs. bank money otherwise you wouldn't have to threaten to move your team.
Congress needs to step in and stop the NFL from bleeding these cities for every last penny. At least put it on a referendum so we can vote on it.
They are too busy giving all our money to foreign countries and lining their own pockets
The money gets paid back over the terms of the lease agreement. Three city, county, and state are going to actually walk away with a bit more money in their pocket. It'll just take 30 years.
As a Cheesehead, I gotta say, every Bills fan should boycott this waste of money by not attending any home games this season. Make the owners either add a roof or flip the full cost of the stadium. Don't give them another $ until they do.
Curious as to how the Bills Mafia is feeling about the personal seat license costs.
They are all stupid and could care less.
B.s. they are pissed
They haven’t given majority of fans the cost of license yet. Club level licenses are the only numbers that were made public.
I tried to talk to several state lawmakers in my area, Elmira NY about the Property tax to fund the stadium owned by a Billionaire who lives in Boca Raton Florida. No one wanted to talk about it before the vote. It was voted on quietly in March 2023. I lived in Philly when Governor Ed Rendell used School Debt Bonds to fund 4 stadiums, one baseball and one football each in Philly and Pittsburgh. I could not understand how school debts could be used to fund private sports stadiums for teams with wealthy individual owners. But the Bills Stadium will cost almost 3x the cost of those pennsylvania stadiums. Here we are June 2025 and honeowners in New York will just start getting tax bills to biy a stadium for a Billionaire from Boca.
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease and that will be seen as black in the books every year for those politicians.
@@eats4cheaps305 Doesn't explain why they don't just get the money from a bank then and not threaten the state with moving the team. Seems logical doesn't it? You're assuming that they will be in the black. No evidence of that. Never is. Study after study has proven that. Big promises and people like you believing the talk, but in the end the benefit is negligible at best. Oh and I'll guarantee you that taxpayers won't get any money back even if they do make money. The problem with governments isn't revenue, it's spending. If they do make money off this, they will just find ways to waste it and then hit taxpayers with other fees or taxes because they don't have enough money.
THE PIT MUST BE FED
NY could have fixed the George Washington Bridge traffic problem for 1.5 billion but why spend tax dollars on something useful? Our government sucks
It's a loan that they end up getting more than they put in. That's why
@@eats4cheaps305 No they won't. It's been studied and proven that in the end, stadiums don't benefit the public.
The no roof still boggles my mind. No super bowls, no college bowls, can’t be used for any other events in the winter. Concerts, monster truck / motor cross, conventions etc. I know the cost would have ballooned even more but knowing that over $400 million is coming from casino money how bad of a deal is this to taxpayers? Just goes to show you how much revenue 9 home games brings to the region in taxes and money to local businesses.
$800 million is still coming from tax payers. No way they make that back.
I wonder how a roof would support the weight. They annual get over 150 inches of snow a year in a 4 month span. And most of that amount comes from about 5 major snowfalls.
@@wendull811 they have roofs in Minnesota, Detroit and Toronto (not for football but still have a domed stadium for years. With technology now, they can put a roof on anywhere.
@seen48 I still wonder how that roof would support that weight. I'm sure than can but the real question is would it be worth it?
Edit: I thought the roof collapsed in Minnesota due to the weight of the snow.
My guy
A Super Bowl wasn’t coming to Buffalo no matter what
You gotta make the owners happy I think it’s pretty fair the owners are paying for half when really they don’t have to pay anything. The citizens pay the other half which will go towards bringing more jobs and a better entertainment experience to the city. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Some may look at this as the owners are being greedy but that’s business why would the owners just pay for everything they want to make money to. Just because they are rich dosnt mean they have to fund everything.
Why are taxpayers footing the bill for a professional nfl team?
The biggest failure with this is not adding a roof. You play in the coldest NFL city and you chose to not have a roof?
The biggest failure is voting to give this billionaire hundreds of millions of dollars as a gift.
@@kurtwicklund8901it all gets paid back over the term of the lease, bud.
If you took a toll, you'd probably see 75-80% of Bills fans that attend games do not want a roof.
The state of NY did not agree to it. Hochul did because her family will make millions on the deal. Stop watching the NFL!!!!!!
Neh!!!
Why are public funds available? Our politicians are awarded free box to entertain and fund raise, feed the pigs…the stadiums always run way over estimated cost…the league earns billions, using public funds is disgusting
It's a loan. The money gets paid back over the term of the lease plus they are able to actually accurately calculate the tax revenue generated. So they do end up with more money than they put into it.
The owners of Buffalo should pay the full costs and not taxpayers. This team needs a dome!
They will end up paying the full cost, they pay it all back over the terms of the lease.
It’s ridiculous that taxpayers are involved in the construction or maintenance for buildings where sportsball takes place.
Serves New York City right
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease agreement.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea sure it does. Why not go to a bank then? Why can't a guy worth over $6 billion come up with an extra $900 mil? Why does the team have to threaten the city with moving if it's such a great deal? Why do studies say the same thing, that the costs outweigh the benefits? Why don't taxpayers ever actually get their money back? They don't end up getting tax breaks after 10 or 20 years. Any taxes created or raised or used for stuff like this just end up being continued indefinitely.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yeah? I’ve never received a check.
Funny they have money for this but not subway expansions
NFL is king man. Subways have to suffer.
@@SecretAsianYoshi without subways no money no nfl
@@zo62 im in the bay area and our Bart bay area rapid transit is suffering financially. Theyre going to run out of the covid funding they got back in 2021. Now theyre looking for more funding from the city and losing ridership pre covid. Bart is dying and i dont know where theyll get their money from.
@@SecretAsianYoshi all transit systems don’t make money on their own. Even if you privatize them they will lose money there meant for the betterment of the city not financially independent
@@zo62 it’s a public service. It doesn’t have to make money.
I am done with professional sports franchise owners extorting the city with threats of leaving if their financial demands are not met.
The risk of collapse from snow is to great to try putting a roof over the stadium in a snow belt city like Buffalo NY . They get record snow fall off the great lakes ,and if the lakes don't freeze over it snows even more.
Then why does Syracuse have a dome in an area that receives much more snow, 3 hours away? It was a billion more to build a dome. The only reason.
Snow isn’t going to cave in a dome - come on
Dumb take
@@nonenone1534 didn’t the Meteodome cave in because of snow? And yes I’m aware in 2024 they would build a better engineered roof. Just saying it has happened.
@@steveoshei1819 Bills Stadium location is in the snow belt which gets more snow than Syracuse.
I am not sure I would model anything after SPURS! Like a car without a Cup Holder……
Downstate taxpayers can shake loose of some coin for WNY. Considering all the money upstate taxpayers have sent to NYC.
It's not shaking loose money for WNY, it's being shaken down by the billionaire Pegulas and the moron Kathy Hochul who enabled them
You know this is ludicrous, right? Upstate taxpayers are subsidized by the NYC area.
Always have been, always will be.
Most counties upstate don't have the tax revenue to pay for schools, let alone repave roads.
It's the same in every state. The Metro areas subsidize the rural areas.
Buffalo is nothing like upstate NY. It's WNY. Upstate says Soda, Buffalo says pop. And it is nothing like Syracuse, Albany, Binghamton, Yonkers, Peekskill, or any of those places. It really is not.
$1.7 billion and it doesn’t even have a roof. What a gong show.
So you complain that it’s expensive and then complain how it doesn’t have an even more expensive feature?
@@deliriousgeorge2879 You lie like you’re working at CNN. For $1.7 billion it should include a roof.
1.7 billion .Wait for the cost overruns.
She probably wanted the congestion toll money to fund the stadium.😂
A huge waste of taxpayers' money. This stadium will be used 10 times a year for football and may host 2 or 3 concerts during the summer months.
And it looks like shit.
The league makes billions and tax payers should not pay a dime!
Not arguing the point but do realize how much is spent on other industries either by tax breaks or by-outs? This is nothing new and has been happening for hundreds of years.
@@davidcostantino1838 I do but the owners of the Bills are billionaires. Once the stadium is built they to will own it outright it will be their asset even though 850 million in public resources are being spent on it. Yes, sales tax and other money will be generated by the Bills but how long will it take for the money to be regenerated by the state. Furthermore, the owners basically threatened to moved the team! That's terrible to even suggest that considering the Bills are treasured by the fans in Buffalo! The league is generating huge money off TV and they should be financing these huge stadiums with owners. I know that since the Rams left St Louis local bars and business haven't recovered but most of the stadiums that are sold to be great for local residents but need public funding never really meet the lofty projections the owners sell the people. Oh, and then there's only a truly small segment of the public can actually afford to go to an NFL games in the big fancy Stadiums. 850 million could have given a lot of teachers as raises among other things. I am glad the Bills and their fans are getting a new Stadium but the owners threatening to move the team if they don't get public money is shameless and every NFL billionaire owner does it and it's wrong after fans have been loyal for years! I think tax payers had to pay way to much on this stadium. Again, good for the fans and I am glad the Bills are staying in Buffalo, but it's a high cost to the state and Erie County.
@@davidcostantino1838 football games are not industries which provide thousand good paying ,iddle class jobs!
And goodell makes 63 mil a year, money well spent
I don't feel bad if that includes New York City. That overpopulated island takes from the rest of the state so serves them right.
Honestly, they really picked the perfect time for this since the Bills have been good the past little while and their value is through the roof atm. The only thing that's weird is they spent so much money just to stick with the Orchard Park location.
The fans of Buffalo NY , Ontario, Quebec CA. Deserve it. 💙
Still pisses me off that they couldn’t make the stadium look like a bison coming out of the ground.
Minnesota had a dome collapse from SNOW. Syracuse Universities Dome is 50 years old and has had close to collapse issues and will need to be replaced with something better.
This was a very good video. Great job.
I don’t think the pegulas threatened to move. Where did that come from? Never heard until now
Someone from the negotiating team, not the Pegulas, has made an insinuation.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea, because no team ever in any sport has ever threatened to move. Lol. What planet have you been living on? Whether it's the negotiating team or the owners makes no difference. It amounts to the same thing. Do the owners not control that team? Do they not have the final say? Seriously. As if it's some separate group that is going to tell the owners how to run the business.
What?? That is *crazy,* that they are building a $1.7B stadium with 10,000 *fewer* seats? Can't wait to see the cost to attend games there, once it opens..
The average short on how packed the stadium is is about 8k seats. They can't build a new stadium and risk blackouts.
@@eats4cheaps305 there are no blackouts anymore
1.7 BILLION and STILL NO RETRACTING ROOF 😒
Fans and the team didn't want a roof on the stadium. Part of the Bills culture is playing in the snow, so many legendary snow games over the years. It's like a 1/3rd roof. Most of the snow will go down onto the field instead of the stands, which is what you want, because the field is a lot easier to clear off than all the seats are. We saw that this year with the Bills vs Steelers playoff game that had to get postponed 24 hours due to a lake effect blizzard that dumped like 4-5ft of snow down onto the stadium. So they get to keep the outdoor stadium experience, but it'll be way easier to deal with inclimate weather. They'll still get snow games, fans will be more comfortable without having to sit in a foot of snow on their seats, pretty much a win-win.
Idk me personally I just think a covered stadium would've been antithetical to the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty much part of their identity given it's Buffalo NY and them getting 1 foot of snow is like anywhere else getting a light rain. They're just used to it up there. The only downside I can see is if they aren't eligible to host a super bowl because of it. They have hosted a super bowl at Metlife down in Jersey/NYC before, as recently as like 10 years ago. Though even if it was a domed stadium, I don't think the NFL would choose it anyway because they'd much rather host a super bowl in a large market, with a big city and preferably warmer weather.
At least we have the sacrifice pit
Ya idiot a roof would be an extra 25 million. The only teams that have roofs or domes are those that host other events like concerts. Bills can’t cuz they don’t have the infrastructure or hotels 🏨
A retractable roof will double the cost, so 3.4 billion.
@@retrocny5625could still have that with retractable roof and be able to host other world class events.
Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, New York isn't getting any newer 🏟️🏈
Football should NEVER be played under a roof.
Everyone is complaining about no roof (which is a fair point), but I think the bigger issue is how it looks. Why did they have to make it so ugly?
?? You blind? It is beautiful
After all this, they still will have to rent out Ford Field during real bad winter months.
no they won't ...
That happened 2x. Both with 5 or more feet of snow.
@@ismaelmaneiro222 the seating area is now covered ... only the field will be cleaned off, and quickly ...
Uhh yea but you know you have to get to the stadium right?
@@jonahan82 yeah they have plows over there …
Why didn’t they cover it. Isn’t the weather the problem they were trying to solve. This stadium makes no sense.
home field advantage
@@SchroderPhotographyyet you guys still have 0 Super Bowl wins
@@rapid9534 im a dolphons fan. 2 super bowl wins ha
People don’t understand lake effect snow and how much a full roof that wouldn’t collapse under its weight would cost to construct.
They could’ve made it work so that’s BS.
And? Billionaires should always have to fund the construction of their own stadium. Just another case of socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Exactly how most of these billionaires amassed such wealth on the backs of others. Taxpayers will never profit from it's use so why should anyone else fund it?
@@vans1788 Yes yes yes! This right here.
Syracuse has had a dome for the last 44 years with no issues, and they receive way more snow than Buffalo. It was another billion they didn't want to pay.
@@dante6563 billionaires are just the true freeloaders of society but use their influence to spread trickle down propaganda.
Buffalo really needed an enclosed/indoor like Ford Field in Detroit. Detroit takes lots of heat as a declining rust belt city. However has 4x the metro population of Buffalo, and has all 4 major sports teams.
No roof?! Dumb design
The party deck is shown in the WKBW video you showed from 6/4.
Taxpayers should not pay for a place the don't want to go and can't afford to go to.And no roof?
A lot of us didn't want the new stadium and wouldn't mind if they moved.
@@kidthump you're definitely in the minority, there.
@@jeremygiglia4824 Lets put it to a vote and find out. KC did and the voters rejected!
Where do you live? NYC?
@@dnasty312 tampa
All this for a 1st round exit
Hey. Sometimes 2nd or 3rd
Don't forget the 30%+ ticket price increase.
No retractable roof, don’t even bother building it!
The bigger controversy (not mentioned) is the stadium being located in Orchard Park instead of in the city.
Where in the city would you put it? Somewhere like War Memorial at Jefferson and Best?
@@dnasty312they had several options, #1 being the old Perry projects area next to the casino downtown. It would've cost an extra billion to build it outside of the current stadium area supposedly.
They looked for a place in the city for over a year.
Millions of poor people with 0 funding for helpful resources this world is backwards
The state spends more than $600 million per year on welfare benefits alone. In fact, benefits to the under privileged budget in NYS is more per year than the net worth of all thr NFL owners combined.
The pegulas won’t own the stadium. The state owns and operates the stadium, and the team leases from it.
Awhile ago, I heard that Erie county pays $1 million a year for maintenance
@@AAA-o4g currently? Because the county does own the current stadium.
@@AAA-o4git's actually more. Which is why they're more than okay with this deal. They put up some money now and then they get all of that back in the first 14 years of the lease agreement and then continued but lower payments over the final 16 years.
DOME STADIUM A MUST IN BUFFALO !!!!!!!!!
No Roof .....😂😂😂
Too much snow for roof
Owners threatened to leave let them
If any city needed a domed stadium it was Buffalo. Alas...
And what about Green Bay, WI? 🧀
Government is investing in a national tradition of NFL football in cold weather and the main surprising part is that the gov won't own half of it . After all, they are paying half
Sounds about right for looser government in NY
I'm a Bill Mafia member. It actually will hold about 20k less people. That said, most of us think realistically, that is a good thing. Buffalo, as you mentioned, is not a huge city. And the current stadium can be difficult to fill. Especially in the years the Bills aren't doing as good. Not selling out has implications for watching the games on TV. So this is welcome. Although when the Bills are playing good, it's going to be a lot more expensive to get tickets.
No roof for an area known to get tons of snow and blizzards, very cold weather later in the season…all that debt..😂😂
It’s not a bad deal tho. The chiefs are having this issue now. I believe Erie county owns the majority of the old stadium which means that 1 billion dollar renovation cost is due by tax payers. And I don’t believe the owners own the new stadium I believe New York State does. If the owners did actually own the new stadium then that would be the best deal. Like the rams owner actually owns the stadium bills have a lease agreement which is why even if they did move it wouldn’t have been right away or the owner would have to refund money that he clearly doesn’t want to pay.
That is correct. Erie County will not own the new stadium. That will be New York State. After 15 years, the Pegulas will have the right to buy the state out of owning the new stadium. My prediction is that will likely happen.