error in your video Jacksonville is the biggest city in landmass if you don't count Alaska cities or better put biggest city in the continental United States
I'm just glad I'm not the only RUclips viewer who gives a shit if sports videos are actually well written and researched. I basically hate-watched this whole thing and went into the comments expecting nobody to care that it sucked.
You do not have anything close to the real story of WHY Jacksonville has the Jaguars. One person, one reason. Paul Tagliabue was a Redskins' season ticket holder, was very close with Jack Kent Cooke, owner of the Redskins, and Cooke did NOT want a team in Baltimore. The Jacksonville bid, headed by Wayne Weaver, actually dropped themselves out of contention in August 1993. The St. Louis bid had serious legal problems. Tagliabue called Weaver and asked him if he would take over the StL bid. Weaver said no, he had been committed to Jax, but they knew they weren't going to get a team. Tagliabue told Weaver he needed Jax back in the bidding, si Weaver agreed. At the vote in October, Charlotte was unanimously approved by the 13 member Expansion Committee to the full Ownership, where they were approved unanimously. The Expansion Committee then voted for Team #2 - 6 for Baltimore, 6 for StL, 1 for Jax. Without precedent, Tagliabue asked the owners to stop the meeting and reconvene in a month. When they did, Tagliabue presented to the whole Ownership a presentation on why they should vote for Jacksonville. The owners, wanting to agree with the Commissioner, mostly did so - enough to pass. Paul Tagliabue, acting on behalf of Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke to deny Baltimore a team is WHY the Jaguars exist.
Failed to mention Jacksonvilles attendance success in the USFL in the 80s which proved they were capable of supporting and NFL team despite the market size
The whole "international expansion" nonsense seems like something the NFL can say on an earnings call and not.a serious prospect. Maybe money will talk, but the NFL is already massive. I can't imagine the logistics of a single team across the Atlantic making much sense.
For international expansion, Toronto and Mexico City make more sense than London and Munich. The major pro of Toronto and Mexico City is time zones, with Toronto in the Eastern Time Zone and Mexico City in the Central. Both cities have major cons, namely both would need their own stadium, not to mention visa and tax issues both for home and visiting teams. Because of Toronto's climate during the NFL season, a 60,000+ seat domed stadium would be practically mandated by the NFL, not to mention that BMO Field is undersized and Rogers Centre is now baseball-only because of renovations to its lower bowl. Climate is not the issue for Mexico City, since it's temperate year round, so they could possibly get away with an open-air stadium; however, there are the crime and air quality issues as well as its altitude of over 7,300 ft, which poses a similar risk as Denver for players with health issues. Also, Estadio Azetca is showing its age, even with the renovations for the 2026 FIFA World Cup, considering they had to move the Kansas City-LA Rams International Game in 2018 to Los Angeles due to field quality issues.
Not sure if this is fully clear from the video but Jags are locked in for 30 years with a non-relocation clause attached to the new stadium contract. This includes every pre and post season game in Jacksonville and only one or two games overseas per year.
When was this agreement made? Jaguars were incorporated in 1993 and began playing in 1995. If the agreement has been in place since the beginning, 30 years was up either last year or will be up next year.
I agree, having a NFL team in London, is super impractical for any team west of the Mississippi to get to London. Especially for all the NFL teams on the West Coast. I would think it would be more effective, to have an NFL team in Toronto or Montreal. Or even in Puerto Rico.
It’s also impractical in London, not many people in the UK care about the NFL - I do, and have been to Wembley multiple times to watch the NFL, and the majority of fans are Americans who use it as a holiday to Europe and to watch their team play. Also, the Jags playing a home game there every year hasn’t had an effect on growing support for the team, why support them when you could support winning teams like most people in the uk that like the sport do. That is two reasons from a British point of view as to why the jags haven’t moved. But, we do have a whole show in the uk just talking about the jags each week (and no dedicated to show to any other team), so maybe they are still planning to move the jags at some point to London.
@joshgriffiths7182 Jags have a big folllowing in Europe though becaude of their London games. London isn't just a place for UK fans, it's an opportunity for fans in the whole of Europe. I live in Poland and in our city we have a Jags fan club simply because of the London appearances.
There's no way Khan was buying Wembley to move the Jaguars, he owns a Football Club called Fulham that plays their home games in London, their stadium isn't that big and there's little to no scope for expansion because of how densely crowded and expensive it would be.
The stadium that the Jax Jaguars play in presently used to be called Gator Bowl Stadium. Most of the stadium was rebuilt in the mid-1990's when Jacksonville entered the NFL as an expansion team. The name of the stadium was changed back then and has been renamed a couple of times, it is now EverBank Stadium. You can read about the Gator Bowl Stadium's history here in this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gator_Bowl_Stadium
@@devinsimmons6429 The Gator Bowl is also a long standing College Bowl game played on or about New Years Day. The Florida-Georgia Game is played in the final week of October (occasionally straying into November). It is referred to as "The Worlds Largest Cocktail Party" .
30 year stadium deal that doesn’t even start until 2027, we could win a Super Bowl and people will still say we’re going to London 🤦🏾♂️ it’s like no one actually does research
Jacksonville is a very important City because of their Deep Water Port. It's a Major shipping hub on the East Coast. There are only a few Deep Water Ports in the US, and everything entering and leaving the US passes though one of these ports. Jacksonville is an important, big city. People just don't realize it.
Best military hub too because it has every branch perfectly situated where it needs to be🤙 we are one of the best actual sanctuary cities too which houses many refugees which have helped our American military as local contacts... We have the best of the best coming through jax every day of every year...
Also, Interstate 10 and Interstate 95, two of the most important roads in the country, meet here. Major rail system rolls through from North to South. We're a major, MAJOR transport hub.
Relocation talks probably will always be associated with the Jags, but the stadium should squash most of the talks. Because not only are they wanting to renovate the stadium, they also want to build an entertainment district next to the stadium similar to what the Braves have near their stadium. Oh their is already a Four Season hotel that's under construction across the street of the stadium.
@@TheFrostFilesPodcast Chargers moved because their greedy owner wanted a billion dollar plus renovation and wanted the city of San Diego to pay a large chunk of that and when they said no he left. The city of Jacksonville and Kahn just came to an agreement for a billion dollar stadium renovation on top of a new entertainment area
This doesn't matter that much, but the Florida-Georgia game isn't called the Gator Bowl. that's an entirely separate bowl game played on or around New Years Day
Yeah I noticed that but let it pass since outside of people who are really into college ball or who are into the rivalry I don't expect them to know about the "world's largest outdoor cocktail party."
@@Orlando_Steve ok "Orlando Steve" And that is factually false. The jaguars are in the top half of the league for attendance and are well above Tampa and Miami.
I'm a UK/EU Jags fan and I'll be forever grateful for the overseas games in London which got both me and my son into football. I hope they stay in Jacksonville though ( just never forget about us UK fans!)
its like if a mid table premier league club moved to New York. Just makes absolute zero sense. Although I would love to have some regular season games in the states and not just friendly/preseason matches.
@@chi_0647 that does not stop anything. The only reason they will stay there is the NFL and the Jaguars want to be there. A stadium deal does not preclude a move should feelings change.
Idk why it’s still “uncertain” if the jags are moving because if they were planning on moving they would have done it a while ago. They also building a new stadium so the moving talks have been shutdown already.
These videos are hilarious when you consider the strong connection the region has to pro-golf, pro-tennis, and college football. The year, 2009, will forever serve as the narrative for Jacksonville and the Jags.
Did you really ignore the popularity of the USFL Jacksonville Bulls who maintained consistently large attendance numbers during the USFL’s run? It’s also why Memphis was in the running. They had a successful USFL franchise as well.
This video showed the worst parts of the city, but skipped over the nice neighborhoods, beaches, golf courses, 70 degree weather in December. And London talk after Jags new stadium is approved? There’s a large amount of development going on downtown currently and Jax is one of the fastest growing cities in the country
It really is a beautiful city with mostly good weather. And I'm sure it's growing but it still feels pretty empty compared to most cities of similar size and population. In some ways that's a really good thing, in others probably not so much.
It's probably in your best interest to say it's "unremarkable" lol otherwise more people are going to want to move there.trust me as someone born and raised in Colorado lol.
ha i wish it was 70 degrees in the winter youd be suprised it gets somewhat cold here compared to most florida cities and even on christmas last year it was cold enough to snow
they are clearly talking about NFL franchise which is correct, you are making a correction that doesn't need to be made. Look at one of his other mistakes.
As a jags fan for life let me tell you when all these rumors started young fans were very young and we barely had any generation raised since the team established in 95 Now all these fans who grew up with the team can afford tickets and are very loyal fans going to each game , games always sold out In Jax for almost 4th straight year , other than that the local economy is very solid and the state as well , shahid khan is smart and sees the potential with the second generation fans now being adults .
It was like that when I was a ticketholder from 03-08 and would still be going if I didn't move literally 1,000 miles away from Jax - 50k loyal fans at every game, rain or shine, hot or cold, didn't matter. And I was in that boat, In 95 I was just starting out on my own, couldn't really afford to do the games until 03 aside from a few games here and there. I *will* be at the game in Philly this year though. And even putting my life in my own hands by wearing Jags gear.
@@himshake Nah, I live in Philly now, I moved up here in the summer of 08. Philly people are on another level about their sports, man. It's pretty insane. I'll be fine..I'll get heckled and ribbed but that's about it. If I was wearing a Dallas jersey though.. well that's another story.
I live in the Orlando area and am a Jaguars fan because I lived in Jacksonville when I was a kid. I was living in the Chicago area when they started and became a fan from day one, since I was not a Bears fan being that I moved from Virginia two year prior and was a Redskins fan. For years, I was a Jaguars fan first, and a Redskins second. But when the Redskins changed their name they lost me, and now I'm just a Jaguars fan. I'm glad they're staying.
Um there are worse situations and teams that are more in jeopardy to be moved. Commanders, Bengals and Panthers come to mind. Five points vids actually did his research, Jaguars to London is such a lazy take.
The stadium lease also has an agreement that only 1 home game will be played outside of Jax (London) so we may never get that game back but won't lose anymore
yea he said "back to back home games in London" which is untrue only one of them was technically a home game which is honestly a huge advantage when we play that second game
I grew up in Jacksonville. Moved to Tampa in 1978 and stayed. Re: the size... When going along US 301 to connect with I-10, we pass the "Welcome to Jacksonville" sign. We look around and see... pine trees. Still plenty of undeveloped land.
what city can you drive through and it would takes you 1 hour to leave...and thats a night time drive... from Atlantic beach driving I-10 its over an hour...east to west!!... 20 years Jacksonville will be a totally different city!!.. no thanks to the city council...
Im from London. We dont deserve a team. People here dont support the Jags. They support the Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys and Patriots. All home games would be like exhibition games. And dont even get me started on the logistics. We could however do a Superbowl.
Northern NFL cities have a very hard time getting awarded the superbowl and London is cold in February. A lot of the Northern NFL cities that haven't got a SB yet would probably be salty if the NFL gave London a SB.
@commodorezero New York got a Superbowl, and London is nowhere near as cold as NY in February. It's a novelty event. We could definitely make it work because for us, it would be like the Olympic Games or World Cup. Once in a lifetime.
@@jediknight5600 That was a really uncommon thing. Same with Detroit and Minnesota. Most northern NFL teams have never had a superbowl. New England, Green Bay, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Chicago, Seattle, Pittsburgh the Ohio teams, Denver and even some cities you wouldn't associate with the cold like Kansas City, Washington and Baltimore have never hosted. Thats nearly half the league. These franchises aren't going to like London getting something they have been unable to get. And they are the ones that decide. Londons got a better chance at getting the team. Getting the SB one year like Detroit, Minnesota, NYC did would be the step after that not the step before it.
As a long time Jags fan from day one Khan really had to get creative to bring back that franchise back from the dead. Hopefully we win a few super bowls to create that establishment so we're not like the Cleveland Browns or Detroit Lions.
The reason Jacksonville has an NFL franchise is that during the expansion process, the groups that had applied for new franchises in Baltimore and St. Louis *both* fell apart in the weeks leading up to the owners meeting at which they were to vote on expansion. The Memphis area was believed too small and was eliminated from consideration. Charlotte was all-but guaranteed their franchise because the NFL desperately wanted to put a team in what was then an exploding population base. The owners greatly preferred to award its sister franchise to Baltimore (the "Bombers") and St. Louis (the "Stallions"), but the ownership groups behind *both* efforts hit snags that they were still trying to work out. So they approved Charlotte and gave the Baltimore and St. Louis applicants time to correct their problems. Had either of them got their act together? Jacksonville doesn't get a team. But neither Baltimore or St. Louis pulled it off, and after a month the NFL decided to stop waiting and go with Jacksonville. A similar situation would occur later - the slot in the league occupied by the Houston Texans was initially awarded to Los Angeles. But there was a string attached: the ownership group had to secure a new stadium, and by a fixed deadline. When the deadline came and there was no deal signed to build a new stadium? The NFL turned to Houston and said, "Welcome back!"
You failed to mention one crucial detail of Jacksonville’s sporting market. Even though the jaguars are the city’s only “Major” sports team, Jacksonville has minor league professional teams such as the Giants (ABA), The Sharks (AFL), and baseball team The Jumbo Shrimp (formerly the Suns) who have great local support and won So many championships through the last 10-15 years (especially the Giants who won 7 within a 12 year period and breaking multiple records).
@@Orlando_SteveJacksonville does have the population and market size to support other major sporting teams. Back in 2011, there was talks of having a NBA team since they were inspect both the city and arena and passed all aspects. City has a lot potential, only problem is it’s very conservative on changes such as infrastructure and metropolitan expansion (Thanks to the Skinner family who owns half the city). Now I guess all that changed when Donna Deagan became major and all these projects are on going besides the stadium renovations.
@@Orlando_Steve You're just mad Orlando doesn't have an NFL team. Jacksonville supports the Jags and Jumbo Shrimp well. AAA is the highest you can get before MLB so it means a lot that Jacksonville brings good crowds to a team with that stature. They are currently renovating the stadium as well which will help.
Yeah unfortunately the Giants no longer exist but we are getting a new basketball team that is part of the TBL called the Jacksonville 95ers but they're going to play at Swisher gym (JU) not Veterans. Anyways, I agree, people don't realize we have had a minor league team here for a long time (started AA in 1962 and AAA since 2021). Many legends came through its ranks (Hank Aaron, Randy Johnson, Larry Walker) and they have been well supported. There are currently $31m of renovations on the stadium which will turn the atmosphere to a new level. Combine that with the Jags stadium renovations and downtown infrastructure plans and Jacksonville will be totally unrecognisable from the city it was even 5 years ago.
@@nberg27 There are 30 AAA teams and 18 of them are in cities with 0 teams in the NFL, NHL, MLB or NBA. 5 are in cities that have 1 major team(Jacksonville, Columbus, Memphis, Oklahoma City, and Sacramento). I'm being generous counting St. Paul as Minneapolis. Then theres Buffalo, Indy, Nashville, Las Vegas and Salt Lake city all with 2 pro teams. Just because a team is AAA doesn't mean its on the cusp of being an MLB team...
You really should just remake this video. Include all the info from commenters who lived thru the expansion period and are much more knowledgeable on the subject than you. Plus you need to include the fact that the Jags recently signed a new stadium deal with Jax which includes a massive development around the stadium. The Jags aren't going anywhere.
The Jaguars and the city of Jacksonville approved a $1.4 billion plan to renovate the team's stadium, which includes a non-relocation agreement. The plan includes a 30-year lease extension and a provision that limits the number of games the Jaguars can play outside of Jacksonville.
That doesn't really mean anything, they can break that any time they want. There is probably some kind of clause in the deal that doesn't make it too difficult. Not saying they would break it mind you, but if they got a good enough deal they absolutely would. The NFL is all about money over everything else.
I live on the Northside of Duval County. My brother-in-law lives on the Southwest side of Duval County. To go to his house for dinner, it’s a 70 mile round trip. That’ll give you an idea just how big Duval County is…🤔
Because Paul Tagliabue during expansion in the early 90s called Jacksonville a hot bed of football! 😂😂😂 The NFL passed Baltimore and St. Louis up during expansion in order to give teams to Carolina at Jacksonville! 😂😂😂
I remember Bud Adams threatening to move the Oilers to Jacksonville, when I was a kid. The local news had a helmet with palm trees on it and the headline read "Will Bud Adams relocate the Oilers to Jacksonville".. I was all upset, 11 yrs old 😂
Florida Georgia yearly college football game is not called the "Gator Bowl". The stadium itself was called the Gator Bowl. The yearly new year's day bowl game is also called the Gator Bowl.
The way population shifts are unfolding, Northeast Florida will have a larger population and much greater economy than Detroit, Cleveland, or Kansas City in the coming decade. Jacksonville is already a far better market than Green Bay, Cincy, or Buffalo. Northeast Florida is beautiful and booming. The Midwest is bleeding population like a gut wound, while the entire Southeast (including Jax) is becoming the business region of America. Also, Orlando has no beaches. There's plenty of money in Jax - from Ponte Vedra to St Augustine to Amelia. Most of it lives outside of the city. North Florida also has Gators and Seminoles football, with fan bases that outpace those of most NFL franchises.
Exactly...nobody is moving from Jacksonville to Detroit and North Florida doesn't really care about baseball they're too busy playing golf tennis and enjoying the fact that they don't live in Detroit. whoever did this video is a Moron
I have a feeling that building the new stadium has a lot more reasons and motives behind it in Jacksonville aside from keeping the Jaguars there. Building a new stadium often times attracts Super Bowls being hosted and played in the said new stadium. In more recent years the NFL kind of makes it a point to host a Super Bowl at a brand new stadium hence why a place like Minnesota, which is noticeably very cold in February, got to host the Super Bowl in the 2017 season. I also imagine the new stadium can attract other big events as well such as potential NCAA bowl games, maybe even international games such as a Soccer game from European league or maybe even Rugby. There is also the possibility of concerts, Pro Wrestling events, UFC or MMA matches, Boxing matches, and other kinds of large scale events.
Yes. The plan in Jacksonville is for more than just the stadium. There is a whole riverwalk, shopping district, parks, hotels, etc planned along with the stadium and they are putting in bids to host future NFL drafts, NCAA tournament games, and more
In Florida people love outdoor activities like skydiving, boating, water-skying, fishing. The weather is mild and allows us to play in the sun 10 out of 12 months every year. TV sports like baseball and football have to compete with college athletics and the above-referenced outdoor activities like boating, fishing and skying.
Truth. This allows for all the other northern teams supporters to purchase away games in Jax for a fraction of the price of a scalped ticket of home games. Which follows through with tourism of North Florida.
Just in regards to north eastern Florida, I work in St. Augustine as a Haunted Ghost tour actor and storyteller. St. Augustine, which is considered a SUBURB of Jacksonville is an international tourist destination. Not only is it the oldest continuously inhabited European-established settlement in the United States, it is widely renowned as one of the MOST HAUNTED cities in America. It is also well known for it’s Pirate history, Fort Castillo de San Marcos, Ponce de Leon’s Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park, The Old Jail, and of course Henry Flagler’s stunning former Ponce de Leon Hotel which is now Flagler College. This breathtaking city is like a Captain Blood, pirate movie set suspended in time. 🏝️🏴☠️👻
Growing up in Savannah, I ended up stopping in St. Augustine annually for over 20 years. I enjoyed the Old Jail, the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum and the gator farm. The old fort was pretty cool, although I preferred Fort. Pulaski in my hometown. Until a friend moved to Jacksonville Beach in the late 90's, the only times I ever stopped in JAX were for a couple of Georgia Southern football games in the gator bowl in 80's, two concerts (Rush and Blue Oyster Cult) in the 90s and a Sci-fi convention in the early 2000s.
2:51 "second-largest city by land area if you don't count cities from [sic] Alaska," but ONLY Alaskan cities are listed above it. So, isn't it the largest by land area, excluding Alaskan cities?
Yeah but that isn’t saying much. They have about 1 million people but not much outside the city. Miami and Tampa has less people but way more when you consider the surrounding area.
@@jamescash887still worthy of mention…population is generally needed to support a team. Comparing Jax to Green Bay is plain ignorant. But this is a bad video for plenty of other reasons.
The Georgia vs Florida game is not the Gator Bowl, the Gator Bowl is a bowl game played on January 1st, while Georgia vs Florida is played in October, and is each teams biggest rival. Also the Jags game in London has tremendous fan support. I went to the game in London when the Jags and Falcons played. Wembley is a huge stadium and it was filled. I saw jerseys from every NFL team. The stadium was full and the crowd was loud.
They don't have one less home game anymore. The NFL is rapidly expanding international play, and rather than having an international team, they are looking to have each team play one international game each season (16 total) leaving everyone with 8 home & 8 away games.
I still remember working in southern Georgia and my boss told me one of our counterparts from England was visiting and his daughter wanted a lot of Jaguar merchandise. Though it was funny back then but we're talking 2006-2009 era.
@@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday I think his point is that the Jaguars have a lot of foreign U.K. fans even before their home games were played in London under Kahn's ownership. He's referencing the long held rumors of the Jags moving to London do you need ADHD meds? did you not watch the same video?
@1:20 it’s because of the fans in Milwaukee and Madison that the packers still work in Green Bay. Until the mid-90s the packers played 2-4 games in Milwaukee a year and almost considered moving there. Believe me, tens of thousands of people who show up to packers games come from Milwaukee and Madison. Wouldn’t work otherwise.
Why is there a team in Jacksonville? Because the certain NFL teams really really really did not want Baltimore and San Antonio to get teams in the 1994 Expansion. So Baltimore was forced to steal one. San Antonio ended up with a big football stadium and nobody to play in it.
It was more St. Louis that they seemingly didn't want to have a team. They already had a name ready, the St. Louis Stallions, and it was such a foregone conclusion they were already selling apparel and had already begun construction on what eventually became The Dome at America's Center. Yet, despite all this, that wasn't enough for the NFL and they passed them over. Like Baltimore, they essentially stole a team too- or considering what happened, they would basically *rent* one, and *rent* a trophy, for about 2 decades.
@@erics.czernecki7333 Fun Fact: The current Denver Bronco Logo was the original design for The Stallions. The only difference is St. Louis had it Purple and Gold
The NBA and NHL does well in small, one sport markets (San Antonio, Oklahoma City & Portland for the NBA, several different Canadian markets for the NHL) because the arenas are small and can take advantage of a smaller but more fervent fan base. That’s really not how the NFL works- their model is more based on TV, less on attendance. Thus, they have trouble in a place like Jacksonville.
It's worth noting Jacksonville had nearly wooed the then-Houston Oilers in 1987. Like Irsay, though, it was simply a ploy for Bud Adams to convince Houston to renovate the Astrodome, but it can be argued that was the closest they got to a team between the Irsay visit and the Jags.
He wanted an entirely new stadium, but seeing as a) the city was broke from the Oil Crash, and b) Bud had driven the team into the ground after firing Bum Phillips in 1980, the city didn't trust him. The Astrodome upgrades were a "we'll give you something".
I've had to make advertisements for events in Jacksonville, and had to refer to several friends from the area. I would ask, "What is Jacksonville best known for-what is it's cultural significance?" After the initial shock from having to recall their hometown wore off, the most common answer I received was, "we have a bridge."
Jags are not moving. We are getting a new stadium and Khan is putting a lot of money into the city himself. We have had hard times since the glory days of the late 90's, but Trevor and Doug will get us back on top.
Having a NFL team in London, is super impractical for any team west of the Mississippi, to get to London. Especially for all the NFL teams on the West Coast. I would think it would be more effective, to have an NFL team in Toronto or Montreal, Or even in Puerto Rico.
Except it legally is impossible to place a team in Canada due to the Canadian Football Act lol Also PR?Jesus they have bigger fish to fry than having an NFL team
@@MrBlazemaster525there is no actual Canadian Football act. It was never passed. It was a threat to keep the old WFL out. The CFL has no legal protection. What is keeping the NFL out of Toronto are three things: one, it would kill the Bills since about 20% of their fan base is from Southern Ontario. Toronto is less than three hours drive from the Bills home stadium. Two, no one in Canada has stepped up and said he was interested in owning a team. The NFL is likes one guy to own at least half or more and Billionaires are not lining up pushing for a team here. Some corporate entities are, but the NFL doesn't like corporate ownership at all. And three, the Stadium or lack thereof. The Rogers Center is now baseball only and too small for the NFL (60000 seats are the target, Rogers/SkyDome only sat 50000). The TFC of the MLS and Toronto Argonauts of the CFL play in 32000 seat BMO Field. It gets expanded for big events but it isn't an NFL stadium , not even close. So who is ponying up a billion or more for a stadium? Unlike the US, Canadian taxpayers don't like paying for stadium and our politicians get tarred and feathered if they sign bad deals for these things. The Montreal Olympics scandals have made any politician nervous about funding pro sports. It can be done, but no one has made a case for a building that may get a few concerts and maybe 9 games a year is economically viable at a billion plus a year. Montreal has Olympic Stadium but it couldn't be seriously considered for a long term solution since it needs a lot of upgrades and no one is paying there for that either. Vancouver has potential but the Seahawks would never allow it and the Stadium there could do it up to a point. But remember this too, CFL fields are bigger so any existing field up here when a NFL field is plopped on it looks strange and small. The stadium are not cozy and intimate. So ya, no NFL team will be here any time soon for a bunch of reasons but there is no actual legislation to protect the CFL
Oakland did a lot of things that put themselves in that position. As for San Diego, the taxpayer's said they didn't want to buy a billionaire a stadium and he left. It sucks they have no team but I wish more cities would stand up to these carpetbaggers
@@marklittle8805 with San Diego is partially true. they held a vote in SD if they wanted the Chargers to stay, but it didnt pass because the majority of people who live in SD arent natives. so they could care less if they stayed or not, if the vote included SD county where most of the fans live. then the vote wouldve passed and we woould still have a team
@@marklittle8805 it was only voted by those that lived in down town. it was a bloated bill that never had a chance. Spanos did what he could to leave. Hope he continues to fail. Chargers were mid level in attendance. No reason to leave when half the league had less revenue.
The Weaver brothers only sold the team to Kahn because he promised to never move the team from Jacksonville under his ownership. Also the $1b renovation guarantees multiple decades, and on top of that Jacksonville is one of the fastest growing cities in the US so by 2057 when the stadium deal will be renewed it will be one of the bigger cities in the US. And not to mention the idea that an NFL team will ever move overseas anytime soon is ridiculous, it would be extremely unfair for a team to travel back and forth across different continents.
Just another side note as a Floridian is that Florida is really big on college football. In north Florida you have the Florida Gators as well as FSU. So the jaguars get overshadowed in Florida due to the success and popularity of college football in the state.
@@drunkengamer7378 This year yes but still my point remains. College football is HUGE in Florida. In my opinion college football teams sell more merchandise and get more ratings and viewership than the Florida pro football teams.
@@jeromethompson3825 The Dolphins and Bucs both have won multiple Super Bowls. I think people would care more about the Jags if they were consistent winners. from 1995-2023, their first 29 years, they've made the playoffs 8 times.
Really interesting video! As a Brit (and Bears fan) it is great having the Jags come over each year, as it grows the UK audience. The new stadium shows that they will not come to London, and personally, I expect London to probably be the next expansion city in the next six - seven years. Once London gets a team, I don't see the Jags coming back that often - they have however been excellent promoters for the sport over here!
Correction: You showed MetLife, Inc. Stadium 🏟️ as part of the New York market. The stadium is physically located in the Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, about 7 miles west of New York City/Manhattan. Just remember this, sports fans: ☝️ There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team in the State of New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬 (Village of Orchard Park, Erie County, New York). 👈😃👍
I lived in Florida for about 20 years in Orlando and west palm beach. Florida is a football state first and foremost. The NFL saw this and it was a booming state. When I first moved to Florida there was newspapers and I am sports fan. I was shocked to read the newspaper say in April or may and the sports section talked about how the spring practices were going for the big Florida college football teams. There was very little mention of the start of baseball season or the NBA. Football is king in Florida.
Simple answer here--Jacksonville is in a part of the country where football is king. Judging by "Maapify" views on Oakland as a victim for teams leaving, without citing left wing downward spiral of Oakland, it is likely based on his leftist dislike of Florida, and the south, in general.
If we’re gonna ask this, then we should ask why Buffalo has a team despite never having over half a million residence. Or, we can ask why LA had THREE teams at one point. Simply put, if the right people with the right connections in the league make the right moves at the right time, teams can start anywhere.
Buffalo has 1.2 million people. Rochester is 65 miles from Buffalo. It has nearly the same. Buffalo and Rochester are closer than the outer edges of Jacksonville. Also 2000' across the Niagara river (which Buffalo sits on)is 400k people. That doesn't even include Toronto which is 90 miles from Buffalo. TO is > Chicago. The Bills are a regional franchise that DWARFS Jacksonville
He left out that Buffalo and New Orleans are now smaller markets than Jacksonville by a large margin. Metro Jacksonville is also the 3rd fastest growing large metro area with over 1.7 million people. Why do people hate Jacksonville so much? Don’t report on the city unless you stayed here for a week and went to all parts of the city.
I think if the Jaguars were consistent winners they wouldn't get so much flack. Buffalo went to 4 straight Super Bowls and the Saints have won a Super bowl. They also have an NBA team, and people not just in New Orleans but lots of people in Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama. Buffalo also gets support from fans in Ontario, Canada.
Jacksonville's kinda a joke! Duval County is the sixth largest county in the state. In a couple of censuses, both Polk and Lee counties will be be more populous moving Duval down to #8. By now, half the Jaxons reading this are about to type their angry replies- the usual Jaxson reply, "Jacksonville is the largest city in the state: bigger than either Miami or Tampa!" And that is what makes them a joke. Jacksonville and Duval County consolidated in the 60s because they had to: otherwise the city of Jacksonville was going bankrupt. Duval County was paying for Jacksonville one way or another, so consolidation was inevitable. And so Jacksonville became the largest city in the state not because of growth, but because everyone was moving out of their inner core. But it's probably not even one of the ten most important cities in Florida. I mean it's definitely more important than a city like Bartow or Ocala, but less important than Orlando and Fort Lauderdale...
Just a couple points..Jacksonville does have aTriple A baseball team in the International League, the Jumbo Shrimp who are the Miami Marlins top farm club. And as far as the Bandwagon Map which appears at 7:44 , although you probably uploaded this from some other source, the Buffalo Bills fanbase extends into Canada while northern PA is more likely Steelers territory.
They also have had several minor league teams in their Veterans Memorial Arena- most notably, the arena football Jacksonville Sharks and the Jacksonville Giants of the American Basketball Association (essentially a *minor* league version of the NBA- well, more minor than the G League, though you'd figure they'd at least try and consider them as an expansion team... oh well.)
Do they have pickle ball and minor league hockey too? Sorry but your examples make Jax look worse. The Miami Marlins are a farm team for the Red Sox and Yankees
@@erics.czernecki7333 @lifehoff yes we have the Jacksonville Icemen which are an affiliate of the Buffalo Sabers (idk why Buffalo instead of closer teams like the Cats or Lightning)
I admire the structure of the Packers so much. The NFL has a rule prohibiting any other publicly owned teams, which is completely ridiculous. So many times it’s public funds going to build the arenas and stadiums, but profits go to an owner.
A while ago I read somewhere that Orlando was designated the Jaguars secondary TV market, despite it being geographically closer to Tampa. Interesting to think about. I live down here in South Florida but love the jaguars and bucs more than the Dolphins, I’m the odd man out down here. Also the gators are closer to Jacksonville than any other college team, I wonder how many people are fans of both gators and Jaguars, or if gators have more Buccaneer fans.
I’m a Packers fan and shareholder and what you didn’t mention is that the Packers also serve as an NFL surrogate for Milwaukee which is a city with NBA and MLB teams. So by Green Bay having a team, Milwaukee honestly doesn’t need one because down the road is one of the most storied franchises in the league.
First of all the :overwhelming majority" of people who live in the Jacksonville Metropolitan Area do NOT live in Duval County. The metro area is currently approaching 1.8 million people and if you include the other counties you included in the video that is around 2 million people. Also, I am glad that you included the fact that the $1.2 billion stadium deal was passed but you failed to mention the importance of that agreement which included a new 30 year lease which seems to be minimized in the video. Also, in last year's Census Bureau data, Jacksonville added more people in year to year raw numbers than any place in the country but 2 cities. We've heard the "Jacksonville does not deserve an NFL franchise for 30+ years since the inception yet here we are. The NFL is not in the business of supporting franchises in cities that are not viable. Cities like Nashville which is currently building a new stadium and many others receive state money for new stadiums, which the Jags, Bucs or Dolphins do not. The perception of Jax will probably never change on a national level and that's fine. Our economic strength is extremely diverse and tourism is a relatively small contributor. We are ok with that. In the past 50 years we have steadily grown without the "boom or bust" consequences. Shad Khan is also currently behind construction of a Four Seasons Hotel across the street from Everbank Stadium as well as a future entertainment district in the sports complex. Despite the continued skepticism and annoyance from the outside the future of the NFL in Jacksonville is as secure as it has ever been.
It’s weird that Jacksonville ended up with an NFL team, but since they’ve already been there for 30 years, I think it would be morally wrong for them to relocate. We have already seen WAY too many relocating sports teams over the last 10 years. I’m sick of it.
The stadiums were not full when the Jags played in London...! Plus, most spectators there were European supporters of other NFL teams. Keep the games in Jacksonville, or rotate one game per season to another country such as Canada, Mexico, Brazil, UK, Germany, etc...
As you said, the Packers have the advantage of history working for them (1921, IIRC). Over time, the same dynamics will work for Jax too. Being the only major league game in town has its advantages.
@@29Texan Jacksonville was a Federal Reserve got the team (season tickets were about sold out for years) before all the banking jobs and pay per capita went crashing down.
The way I understand it is Jacksonville got the expansion team b/c Art Modell who owned the Browns voted against Baltimore getting an expansion franchise as he was already considering moving there. This may or may not be true but that is the story I heard years ago.
As a Brit, the idea of teams upping and moving is utterly horrifying to me. But I do think the jags have been fairly smart in trying to make more fans abroad rather than in Florida itself. I went to one of the wembley games back in 2018 and while I'm certain it's not a home game (you see every jersey, more people went to see the game than support a team), it did seem there was alot more jags jersey's than anyone else, so it seems to be working for them. I think London will get a team eventually, but I personally hope its an expansion and not a current team again due to my European baise (they did what now? seriously?). Though at the same time I think they've spent too long trying to build it and as a result alot of people in the UK already have a team and wouldn't switch to support a London one as a main team. Plus logistically it will be an utter nightmare and teams will start complaining about jet lag, unfair advantage etc.
In Northern Florida, major College Football market rules. When they get on a winning streak, they sell out consistently. I don’t blame the owner for making some money on the London Deals. I can recall being in Jacksonville and not even being able to watch them on local television due to blackout because they didn’t sell enough seats. Another area that probably holds them up in ticket sales is the Naval community which brings fan bases from all over the country.
This is true. I served in the Navy for 20 years in Jacksonville and there are allot of sailors there with the Two Navy Bases in the arera (there used to be 3) I served on all three bases in my 20 + years. I remember there were very few Jaguars fans in among the people serving there. I was an Oiler fan when I transferred there in 90 but the Oilers moved to TN and Jax was awarded a franchise right aroud the same time. So I have been a Jags fan ever since and I was in the super minority in every command I served in. It is true though deep down it is a college football area especially since the gators are so close.
I strongly disagree. I’m retired Navy and been in Jax since 04. The Jags are a way bigger than any college team, not sure where you guys are getting this from. All you have to do is look at the local TV ratings, the Jags blow away college. I’ve been here for the Gators Tebow years and the Jags playoff runs, you can’t get into a sports bar when the Jags play. This fallacy needs to stop that college football is more popular than the Jags, it’s a verifiable fact the Jags are more popular. Look at the ratings….the Jags also get better attendance than quite a few NFL teams. I’m a die hard Dawg….
You must have been high when you tried to watch the game and it was blacked out. I have been in Jacksonville my whole life and that has NEVER happened, EVER. The game is always on Channel 4. Even for Thursday night games that are only on Prime or Monday night on ESPN you can still watch it on the local station so I know you are capping. Additionally, College football has no effect on the Jags and the Navy is actually a huge help to the Jags because they support each other and a lot of Jags fans are military affiliate.
Here's a darker interpretation : Jacksonville has an NFL franchise because it's where Ohio State head coach Woody Hayes met his demise in The Gator Bowl back in '78. Much the same way the country focused on all things Dallas after JFK''s assanination back in '63. In the aftermath, we couldn't get enough of the Cowboys after having martyred a president there. Why do you think we call them America's Team ? Football tragedy engenders myth building. I'm nearly 60 years old - so I know what I'm talking about. 😐
No, you do not. The Cowboys being America's team has zero to due with the JFK assassination. It was success (25 straight winning records 60s-80s, winning Superbowls), the cheerleaders, the star on the helmet, and a marketing term used by the team after an NFL Films documentary calling them America's team. And your Woody Hayes reason for Jax having a team is straight up delusional.
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error in your video Jacksonville is the biggest city in landmass if you don't count Alaska cities or better put biggest city in the continental United States
0 research was done during the making of this video.
Agreed. There's so many factual errors and omissions here that all this video really comes off as is an ad for Seatgeek and his own newsletter.
He knew our population or close to it! That counts for something lol
I'm just glad I'm not the only RUclips viewer who gives a shit if sports videos are actually well written and researched. I basically hate-watched this whole thing and went into the comments expecting nobody to care that it sucked.
@@904DuvalBrodown he did use Google a couple times lol.
@@AliceYobby so many make lazy videos only caring about the views. This is one of them.
You do not have anything close to the real story of WHY Jacksonville has the Jaguars. One person, one reason. Paul Tagliabue was a Redskins' season ticket holder, was very close with Jack Kent Cooke, owner of the Redskins, and Cooke did NOT want a team in Baltimore. The Jacksonville bid, headed by Wayne Weaver, actually dropped themselves out of contention in August 1993. The St. Louis bid had serious legal problems. Tagliabue called Weaver and asked him if he would take over the StL bid. Weaver said no, he had been committed to Jax, but they knew they weren't going to get a team. Tagliabue told Weaver he needed Jax back in the bidding, si Weaver agreed. At the vote in October, Charlotte was unanimously approved by the 13 member Expansion Committee to the full Ownership, where they were approved unanimously. The Expansion Committee then voted for Team #2 - 6 for Baltimore, 6 for StL, 1 for Jax. Without precedent, Tagliabue asked the owners to stop the meeting and reconvene in a month. When they did, Tagliabue presented to the whole Ownership a presentation on why they should vote for Jacksonville. The owners, wanting to agree with the Commissioner, mostly did so - enough to pass. Paul Tagliabue, acting on behalf of Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke to deny Baltimore a team is WHY the Jaguars exist.
Great detailed post and it's the real answer to what the video is trying say.
Excellent post.
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St. Louis bungled that expansion bid so badly and that in turn led to the rams disaster
yea so yall can blame PT and JKC cuz yall gotta hear DUUUUUUUUVVVVVVAAAAALLLLLL when we come to town lol
Failed to mention Jacksonvilles attendance success in the USFL in the 80s which proved they were capable of supporting and NFL team despite the market size
Yup, the Bulls were a major reason for the Jags.
@@mrmoose6619 ...and "Bulls" is a much better and more relevant name than "Jaguars". Jacksonville was originally named "Cowford".
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The whole "international expansion" nonsense seems like something the NFL can say on an earnings call and not.a serious prospect. Maybe money will talk, but the NFL is already massive. I can't imagine the logistics of a single team across the Atlantic making much sense.
For international expansion, Toronto and Mexico City make more sense than London and Munich. The major pro of Toronto and Mexico City is time zones, with Toronto in the Eastern Time Zone and Mexico City in the Central. Both cities have major cons, namely both would need their own stadium, not to mention visa and tax issues both for home and visiting teams. Because of Toronto's climate during the NFL season, a 60,000+ seat domed stadium would be practically mandated by the NFL, not to mention that BMO Field is undersized and Rogers Centre is now baseball-only because of renovations to its lower bowl. Climate is not the issue for Mexico City, since it's temperate year round, so they could possibly get away with an open-air stadium; however, there are the crime and air quality issues as well as its altitude of over 7,300 ft, which poses a similar risk as Denver for players with health issues. Also, Estadio Azetca is showing its age, even with the renovations for the 2026 FIFA World Cup, considering they had to move the Kansas City-LA Rams International Game in 2018 to Los Angeles due to field quality issues.
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What do you mean earnings call? They aren't publically traded right?
Plus the Jags are spending TONS on stadium renovations so it wouldn’t happen for a LONG time
Not sure if this is fully clear from the video but Jags are locked in for 30 years with a non-relocation clause attached to the new stadium contract. This includes every pre and post season game in Jacksonville and only one or two games overseas per year.
When was this agreement made? Jaguars were incorporated in 1993 and began playing in 1995. If the agreement has been in place since the beginning, 30 years was up either last year or will be up next year.
@@xnetpc They just agreed to a new stadium contract
this was like listening to one of my college essays, just repeating the same info over and over in different ways 😂
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Any NFL team in London sounds ridiculous.
I agree, having a NFL team in London, is super impractical for any team west of the Mississippi to get to London. Especially for all the NFL teams on the West Coast. I would think it would be more effective, to have an NFL team in Toronto or Montreal. Or even in Puerto Rico.
It’s also impractical in London, not many people in the UK care about the NFL - I do, and have been to Wembley multiple times to watch the NFL, and the majority of fans are Americans who use it as a holiday to Europe and to watch their team play. Also, the Jags playing a home game there every year hasn’t had an effect on growing support for the team, why support them when you could support winning teams like most people in the uk that like the sport do. That is two reasons from a British point of view as to why the jags haven’t moved. But, we do have a whole show in the uk just talking about the jags each week (and no dedicated to show to any other team), so maybe they are still planning to move the jags at some point to London.
@joshgriffiths7182 Jags have a big folllowing in Europe though becaude of their London games. London isn't just a place for UK fans, it's an opportunity for fans in the whole of Europe. I live in Poland and in our city we have a Jags fan club simply because of the London appearances.
There's no way Khan was buying Wembley to move the Jaguars, he owns a Football Club called Fulham that plays their home games in London, their stadium isn't that big and there's little to no scope for expansion because of how densely crowded and expensive it would be.
Not really. I think the team is such a shit organization that they need to be moved. The city also has nothing to offer
Bro did _not_ just call the Georgia-Florida game the Gator Bowl. lmao, Kirby Smart gonna whip your ass for that one.
The stadium that the Jax Jaguars play in presently used to be called Gator Bowl Stadium. Most of the stadium was rebuilt in the mid-1990's when Jacksonville entered the NFL as an expansion team. The name of the stadium was changed back then and has been renamed a couple of times, it is now EverBank Stadium. You can read about the Gator Bowl Stadium's history here in this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gator_Bowl_Stadium
The Gator bowl was the name of the stadium the jaguars play in prior to the jags becoming a team.
@@devinsimmons6429 The Gator Bowl is also a long standing College Bowl game played on or about New Years Day. The Florida-Georgia Game is played in the final week of October (occasionally straying into November). It is referred to as "The Worlds Largest Cocktail Party" .
u just called it the georgia fla game lol its fla ga game. and he missed the outdoor cocktail party reference too. this dudes from the north lol
@@Frostback-mw4xithe worlds largest outdoor* cocktail party
30 year stadium deal that doesn’t even start until 2027, we could win a Super Bowl and people will still say we’re going to London 🤦🏾♂️ it’s like no one actually does research
Exactly. Once the new stadium and surrounding area comes, there will be no more London
Another thing is who says the players are going to want to live in London to begin with lol the NFL had NFL Europe and it flopped.
Who needs to do research when you can post whatever you want?
yep, just another clickbait video that somewhat gets over the 10 minute length for maximum ad revenue
@@SizzurpFoo I think you are the *only* one asking that question you just made up now... Who said anything about players living in London?
Jacksonville is a very important City because of their Deep Water Port.
It's a Major shipping hub on the East Coast.
There are only a few Deep Water Ports in the US, and everything entering and leaving the US passes though one of these ports.
Jacksonville is an important, big city. People just don't realize it.
Don't let Russia know about that deep water port..
Best military hub too because it has every branch perfectly situated where it needs to be🤙 we are one of the best actual sanctuary cities too which houses many refugees which have helped our American military as local contacts... We have the best of the best coming through jax every day of every year...
Very important shipping hub during WWII. Blount Island.
Also, Interstate 10 and Interstate 95, two of the most important roads in the country, meet here. Major rail system rolls through from North to South. We're a major, MAJOR transport hub.
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Relocation talks probably will always be associated with the Jags, but the stadium should squash most of the talks. Because not only are they wanting to renovate the stadium, they also want to build an entertainment district next to the stadium similar to what the Braves have near their stadium. Oh their is already a Four Season hotel that's under construction across the street of the stadium.
Yes, Kahns have bought up a lot of that land to develop, will be interesting to see the progress in ten years or so
AZ cardinals have an entertainment area next to their stadium. Went from a dump to hit spot
To be fair the chargers did that too and still moved
@@TheFrostFilesPodcast Chargers moved because their greedy owner wanted a billion dollar plus renovation and wanted the city of San Diego to pay a large chunk of that and when they said no he left. The city of Jacksonville and Kahn just came to an agreement for a billion dollar stadium renovation on top of a new entertainment area
That's because of their owner. Had nothing to do with fan support. People in San Diego want the Chargers back.@@TheFrostFilesPodcast
This doesn't matter that much, but the Florida-Georgia game isn't called the Gator Bowl. that's an entirely separate bowl game played on or around New Years Day
Yeah I noticed that but let it pass since outside of people who are really into college ball or who are into the rivalry I don't expect them to know about the "world's largest outdoor cocktail party."
Which is all they care about in Jacksonville. It's not an NFL city. Putting an NFL franchise there was the league's dumbest decision ever.
@@Orlando_Steve ok "Orlando Steve" And that is factually false. The jaguars are in the top half of the league for attendance and are well above Tampa and Miami.
Got to that point and turned it off. Garbage vid
The footage isn't even from Jacksonville, but the one game played in Gainesville in the last nine decades in 1994.
I'm a UK/EU Jags fan and I'll be forever grateful for the overseas games in London which got both me and my son into football. I hope they stay in Jacksonville though ( just never forget about us UK fans!)
It's not hope.. they are staying. They just renewed contract and new stadium
@@LearnHittite we love our UK fans too. Most notably Cpt Duval
its like if a mid table premier league club moved to New York. Just makes absolute zero sense. Although I would love to have some regular season games in the states and not just friendly/preseason matches.
@@chi_0647 that does not stop anything. The only reason they will stay there is the NFL and the Jaguars want to be there. A stadium deal does not preclude a move should feelings change.
@@scottb3034 Dummy, this not for discussion anymore. Idk why this is a discussion. You can't break "legal binded contract".
Idk why it’s still “uncertain” if the jags are moving because if they were planning on moving they would have done it a while ago. They also building a new stadium so the moving talks have been shutdown already.
Yeah this kid is dumb
Yeah, if Kahn was going to move the team, he would have done it by now.
NOT building a new stadium, but major renovations to the existing one yes.
@@TheRmm1976 Yes and my point still stands
@@MADLADYATDMV i get the point, just clearing things up b/c there's a difference between building a new stadium and renovating an old one.
they just signed a contract for a new stadium and 30 yrs in jax this is cap
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Also, don't forget that Jacksonville had a USFL team and other startup football league teams for years, proving they could host an NFL team
Go Bulls!
These videos are hilarious when you consider the strong connection the region has to pro-golf, pro-tennis, and college football. The year, 2009, will forever serve as the narrative for Jacksonville and the Jags.
Did you really ignore the popularity of the USFL Jacksonville Bulls who maintained consistently large attendance numbers during the USFL’s run? It’s also why Memphis was in the running. They had a successful USFL franchise as well.
This video showed the worst parts of the city, but skipped over the nice neighborhoods, beaches, golf courses, 70 degree weather in December. And London talk after Jags new stadium is approved? There’s a large amount of development going on downtown currently and Jax is one of the fastest growing cities in the country
It really is a beautiful city with mostly good weather. And I'm sure it's growing but it still feels pretty empty compared to most cities of similar size and population. In some ways that's a really good thing, in others probably not so much.
It's probably in your best interest to say it's "unremarkable" lol otherwise more people are going to want to move there.trust me as someone born and raised in Colorado lol.
@@kylem1112good point 😆
ha i wish it was 70 degrees in the winter youd be suprised it gets somewhat cold here compared to most florida cities and even on christmas last year it was cold enough to snow
@@popeyes_chicken3809Yea it definitely gets cold, but the fact that you can have 70 degree December days is nice
Sole franchise is GREEN BAY, not Wisconsin. The Bucks and Brewers would like a word.
they are clearly talking about NFL franchise which is correct, you are making a correction that doesn't need to be made. Look at one of his other mistakes.
Florida’s best kept secret. Also.. the Florida-Georgia game and the Gator Bowl..,which is now the Taxslayer Bowl, are two different games/events.
As a jags fan for life let me tell you when all these rumors started young fans were very young and we barely had any generation raised since the team established in 95
Now all these fans who grew up with the team can afford tickets and are very loyal fans going to each game , games always sold out In Jax for almost 4th straight year , other than that the local economy is very solid and the state as well , shahid khan is smart and sees the potential with the second generation fans now being adults .
It was like that when I was a ticketholder from 03-08 and would still be going if I didn't move literally 1,000 miles away from Jax - 50k loyal fans at every game, rain or shine, hot or cold, didn't matter. And I was in that boat, In 95 I was just starting out on my own, couldn't really afford to do the games until 03 aside from a few games here and there.
I *will* be at the game in Philly this year though. And even putting my life in my own hands by wearing Jags gear.
@@mopeygoff did the philly fans read this comment and come to get you early
@@himshake Nah, I live in Philly now, I moved up here in the summer of 08. Philly people are on another level about their sports, man. It's pretty insane. I'll be fine..I'll get heckled and ribbed but that's about it. If I was wearing a Dallas jersey though.. well that's another story.
@@mopeygoff So, did you come back alive?
A brand new stadium has been approved and is being built. The Jags aren’t going anywhere.
I love Jax! I moved to Jacksonville in my early twenties and feel like I found a hidden gem. Great town and great people!
you must've moved to the beaches lol
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Is this supposed to make as little sense as it does? Is that the joke?
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I live in the Orlando area and am a Jaguars fan because I lived in Jacksonville when I was a kid. I was living in the Chicago area when they started and became a fan from day one, since I was not a Bears fan being that I moved from Virginia two year prior and was a Redskins fan. For years, I was a Jaguars fan first, and a Redskins second. But when the Redskins changed their name they lost me, and now I'm just a Jaguars fan. I'm glad they're staying.
Um there are worse situations and teams that are more in jeopardy to be moved. Commanders, Bengals and Panthers come to mind. Five points vids actually did his research, Jaguars to London is such a lazy take.
The stadium lease also has an agreement that only 1 home game will be played outside of Jax (London) so we may never get that game back but won't lose anymore
Which is ok. Revenue generated is always good and continuing to grow a fan base always helps.
yea he said "back to back home games in London" which is untrue only one of them was technically a home game which is honestly a huge advantage when we play that second game
I don’t think people realize how big Duvall county is
I grew up in Jacksonville. Moved to Tampa in 1978 and stayed. Re: the size... When going along US 301 to connect with I-10, we pass the "Welcome to Jacksonville" sign. We look around and see... pine trees. Still plenty of undeveloped land.
what city can you drive through and it would takes you 1 hour to leave...and thats a night time drive... from Atlantic beach driving I-10 its over an hour...east to west!!... 20 years Jacksonville will be a totally different city!!.. no thanks to the city council...
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Im from London. We dont deserve a team. People here dont support the Jags. They support the Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys and Patriots. All home games would be like exhibition games. And dont even get me started on the logistics. We could however do a Superbowl.
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I wouldn't support the Jags if I lived there either.
Northern NFL cities have a very hard time getting awarded the superbowl and London is cold in February. A lot of the Northern NFL cities that haven't got a SB yet would probably be salty if the NFL gave London a SB.
@commodorezero New York got a Superbowl, and London is nowhere near as cold as NY in February. It's a novelty event. We could definitely make it work because for us, it would be like the Olympic Games or World Cup. Once in a lifetime.
@@jediknight5600 That was a really uncommon thing. Same with Detroit and Minnesota. Most northern NFL teams have never had a superbowl. New England, Green Bay, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Chicago, Seattle, Pittsburgh the Ohio teams, Denver and even some cities you wouldn't associate with the cold like Kansas City, Washington and Baltimore have never hosted. Thats nearly half the league. These franchises aren't going to like London getting something they have been unable to get. And they are the ones that decide. Londons got a better chance at getting the team. Getting the SB one year like Detroit, Minnesota, NYC did would be the step after that not the step before it.
As a long time Jags fan from day one Khan really had to get creative to bring back that franchise back from the dead. Hopefully we win a few super bowls to create that establishment so we're not like the Cleveland Browns or Detroit Lions.
The reason Jacksonville has an NFL franchise is that during the expansion process, the groups that had applied for new franchises in Baltimore and St. Louis *both* fell apart in the weeks leading up to the owners meeting at which they were to vote on expansion. The Memphis area was believed too small and was eliminated from consideration. Charlotte was all-but guaranteed their franchise because the NFL desperately wanted to put a team in what was then an exploding population base. The owners greatly preferred to award its sister franchise to Baltimore (the "Bombers") and St. Louis (the "Stallions"), but the ownership groups behind *both* efforts hit snags that they were still trying to work out. So they approved Charlotte and gave the Baltimore and St. Louis applicants time to correct their problems. Had either of them got their act together? Jacksonville doesn't get a team. But neither Baltimore or St. Louis pulled it off, and after a month the NFL decided to stop waiting and go with Jacksonville. A similar situation would occur later - the slot in the league occupied by the Houston Texans was initially awarded to Los Angeles. But there was a string attached: the ownership group had to secure a new stadium, and by a fixed deadline. When the deadline came and there was no deal signed to build a new stadium? The NFL turned to Houston and said, "Welcome back!"
Hey that's mee shaking the hand of the Mayor in the airport at 4:54 in this video...lol
Georgia - Florida is not the Gator Bowl. They are separate games.
You failed to mention one crucial detail of Jacksonville’s sporting market. Even though the jaguars are the city’s only “Major” sports team, Jacksonville has minor league professional teams such as the Giants (ABA), The Sharks (AFL), and baseball team The Jumbo Shrimp (formerly the Suns) who have great local support and won So many championships through the last 10-15 years (especially the Giants who won 7 within a 12 year period and breaking multiple records).
Thanks for just proving Jacksonville is a minor league town. Not much different than say Lakeland. It has no business with an NFL team.
@@Orlando_SteveJacksonville does have the population and market size to support other major sporting teams. Back in 2011, there was talks of having a NBA team since they were inspect both the city and arena and passed all aspects. City has a lot potential, only problem is it’s very conservative on changes such as infrastructure and metropolitan expansion (Thanks to the Skinner family who owns half the city). Now I guess all that changed when Donna Deagan became major and all these projects are on going besides the stadium renovations.
@@Orlando_Steve You're just mad Orlando doesn't have an NFL team. Jacksonville supports the Jags and Jumbo Shrimp well. AAA is the highest you can get before MLB so it means a lot that Jacksonville brings good crowds to a team with that stature. They are currently renovating the stadium as well which will help.
Yeah unfortunately the Giants no longer exist but we are getting a new basketball team that is part of the TBL called the Jacksonville 95ers but they're going to play at Swisher gym (JU) not Veterans. Anyways, I agree, people don't realize we have had a minor league team here for a long time (started AA in 1962 and AAA since 2021). Many legends came through its ranks (Hank Aaron, Randy Johnson, Larry Walker) and they have been well supported. There are currently $31m of renovations on the stadium which will turn the atmosphere to a new level. Combine that with the Jags stadium renovations and downtown infrastructure plans and Jacksonville will be totally unrecognisable from the city it was even 5 years ago.
@@nberg27 There are 30 AAA teams and 18 of them are in cities with 0 teams in the NFL, NHL, MLB or NBA. 5 are in cities that have 1 major team(Jacksonville, Columbus, Memphis, Oklahoma City, and Sacramento). I'm being generous counting St. Paul as Minneapolis. Then theres Buffalo, Indy, Nashville, Las Vegas and Salt Lake city all with 2 pro teams. Just because a team is AAA doesn't mean its on the cusp of being an MLB team...
You really should just remake this video.
Include all the info from commenters who lived thru the expansion period and are much more knowledgeable on the subject than you.
Plus you need to include the fact that the Jags recently signed a new stadium deal with Jax which includes a massive development around the stadium. The Jags aren't going anywhere.
The Jaguars and the city of Jacksonville approved a $1.4 billion plan to renovate the team's stadium, which includes a non-relocation agreement. The plan includes a 30-year lease extension and a provision that limits the number of games the Jaguars can play outside of Jacksonville.
That doesn't really mean anything, they can break that any time they want. There is probably some kind of clause in the deal that doesn't make it too difficult. Not saying they would break it mind you, but if they got a good enough deal they absolutely would. The NFL is all about money over everything else.
I live on the Northside of Duval County. My brother-in-law lives on the Southwest side of Duval County. To go to his house for dinner, it’s a 70 mile round trip. That’ll give you an idea just how big Duval County is…🤔
As a Buffalo Bills fan, I can empathize with Jags fans for having a home game stolen. The Bills played a few home games in Canada. That sucked.
Because Paul Tagliabue during expansion in the early 90s called Jacksonville a hot bed of football! 😂😂😂 The NFL passed Baltimore and St. Louis up during expansion in order to give teams to Carolina at Jacksonville! 😂😂😂
Jacksonville, Florida does have Lynyrd Skynyrd though. You can never take that away from them. 🤘
And all the funny Jason Mendoza references from "The Good Place." "It’s easily one of the top 10 swamp cities in northeastern Florida."
And Muscle Shoals has got The Swampers
I remember Bud Adams threatening to move the Oilers to Jacksonville, when I was a kid. The local news had a helmet with palm trees on it and the headline read "Will Bud Adams relocate the Oilers to Jacksonville".. I was all upset, 11 yrs old 😂
Since I already clicked on the video, the view counts but I'm not watching. The comments told me all I needed to know.
Florida Georgia yearly college football game is not called the "Gator Bowl". The stadium itself was called the Gator Bowl. The yearly new year's day bowl game is also called the Gator Bowl.
The way population shifts are unfolding, Northeast Florida will have a larger population and much greater economy than Detroit, Cleveland, or Kansas City in the coming decade. Jacksonville is already a far better market than Green Bay, Cincy, or Buffalo. Northeast Florida is beautiful and booming.
The Midwest is bleeding population like a gut wound, while the entire Southeast (including Jax) is becoming the business region of America.
Also, Orlando has no beaches. There's plenty of money in Jax - from Ponte Vedra to St Augustine to Amelia. Most of it lives outside of the city.
North Florida also has Gators and Seminoles football, with fan bases that outpace those of most NFL franchises.
Exactly...nobody is moving from Jacksonville to Detroit and North Florida doesn't really care about baseball they're too busy playing golf tennis and enjoying the fact that they don't live in Detroit. whoever did this video is a Moron
That is what the NFL was thinking in 1993
The Green Bay Packers also have Milwaukee as a base for support.
I have a feeling that building the new stadium has a lot more reasons and motives behind it in Jacksonville aside from keeping the Jaguars there. Building a new stadium often times attracts Super Bowls being hosted and played in the said new stadium. In more recent years the NFL kind of makes it a point to host a Super Bowl at a brand new stadium hence why a place like Minnesota, which is noticeably very cold in February, got to host the Super Bowl in the 2017 season. I also imagine the new stadium can attract other big events as well such as potential NCAA bowl games, maybe even international games such as a Soccer game from European league or maybe even Rugby. There is also the possibility of concerts, Pro Wrestling events, UFC or MMA matches, Boxing matches, and other kinds of large scale events.
Yes. The plan in Jacksonville is for more than just the stadium. There is a whole riverwalk, shopping district, parks, hotels, etc planned along with the stadium and they are putting in bids to host future NFL drafts, NCAA tournament games, and more
In Florida people love outdoor activities like skydiving, boating, water-skying, fishing. The weather is mild and allows us to play in the sun 10 out of 12 months every year. TV sports like baseball and football have to compete with college athletics and the above-referenced outdoor activities like boating, fishing and skying.
Truth. This allows for all the other northern teams supporters to purchase away games in Jax for a fraction of the price of a scalped ticket of home games.
Which follows through with tourism of North Florida.
@@YrougeCowell they pack 'em in from out of town here.....been for a long long time
Except when it's so hot you don't even want to go out
Just in regards to north eastern Florida, I work in St. Augustine as a Haunted Ghost tour actor and storyteller. St. Augustine, which is considered a SUBURB of Jacksonville is an international tourist destination. Not only is it the oldest continuously inhabited European-established settlement in the United States, it is widely renowned as one of the MOST HAUNTED cities in America. It is also well known for it’s Pirate history, Fort Castillo de San Marcos, Ponce de Leon’s Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park, The Old Jail, and of course Henry Flagler’s stunning former Ponce de Leon Hotel which is now Flagler College. This breathtaking city is like a Captain Blood, pirate movie set suspended in time. 🏝️🏴☠️👻
Every city is tied for the most haunted with zero ghosts.
Growing up in Savannah, I ended up stopping in St. Augustine annually for over 20 years. I enjoyed the Old Jail, the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum and the gator farm. The old fort was pretty cool, although I preferred Fort. Pulaski in my hometown. Until a friend moved to Jacksonville Beach in the late 90's, the only times I ever stopped in JAX were for a couple of Georgia Southern football games in the gator bowl in 80's, two concerts (Rush and Blue Oyster Cult) in the 90s and a Sci-fi convention in the early 2000s.
2:51 "second-largest city by land area if you don't count cities from [sic] Alaska," but ONLY Alaskan cities are listed above it. So, isn't it the largest by land area, excluding Alaskan cities?
You failed to mention that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida !
Yeah but that isn’t saying much. They have about 1 million people but not much outside the city. Miami and Tampa has less people but way more when you consider the surrounding area.
@@jamescash887still worthy of mention…population is generally needed to support a team. Comparing Jax to Green Bay is plain ignorant. But this is a bad video for plenty of other reasons.
I think Jacksonville is kind of underrated it’s cheap to live there and they do have a beach. It’s just kind of a sleepy town.
@@henryperez606 who said Jacksonville is cheap? Have you seen the prices skyrocketing?
@@jamescash887
Travel around the country a little bit
The Georgia vs Florida game is not the Gator Bowl, the Gator Bowl is a bowl game played on January 1st, while Georgia vs Florida is played in October, and is each teams biggest rival.
Also the Jags game in London has tremendous fan support. I went to the game in London when the Jags and Falcons played. Wembley is a huge stadium and it was filled. I saw jerseys from every NFL team. The stadium was full and the crowd was loud.
They don't have one less home game anymore. The NFL is rapidly expanding international play, and rather than having an international team, they are looking to have each team play one international game each season (16 total) leaving everyone with 8 home & 8 away games.
...Is this why the Colts never win in Jacksonville?
As a jags fan I’m glad the see them not win…
So uh yeah we will win tomorrow hopefully…🥲
I still remember working in southern Georgia and my boss told me one of our counterparts from England was visiting and his daughter wanted a lot of Jaguar merchandise. Though it was funny back then but we're talking 2006-2009 era.
What’s your point?
@@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday I think his point is that the Jaguars have a lot of foreign U.K. fans even before their home games were played in London under Kahn's ownership. He's referencing the long held rumors of the Jags moving to London do you need ADHD meds? did you not watch the same video?
@1:20 it’s because of the fans in Milwaukee and Madison that the packers still work in Green Bay. Until the mid-90s the packers played 2-4 games in Milwaukee a year and almost considered moving there.
Believe me, tens of thousands of people who show up to packers games come from Milwaukee and Madison. Wouldn’t work otherwise.
Exactly. Milwaukee is the packers main media market.
Why is there a team in Jacksonville? Because the certain NFL teams really really really did not want Baltimore and San Antonio to get teams in the 1994 Expansion. So Baltimore was forced to steal one. San Antonio ended up with a big football stadium and nobody to play in it.
This is the real answer. Paul Tagliabue and Jack Kent Cooke.
It was more St. Louis that they seemingly didn't want to have a team. They already had a name ready, the St. Louis Stallions, and it was such a foregone conclusion they were already selling apparel and had already begun construction on what eventually became The Dome at America's Center. Yet, despite all this, that wasn't enough for the NFL and they passed them over. Like Baltimore, they essentially stole a team too- or considering what happened, they would basically *rent* one, and *rent* a trophy, for about 2 decades.
@@erics.czernecki7333 Fun Fact: The current Denver Bronco Logo was the original design for The Stallions. The only difference is St. Louis had it Purple and Gold
San Antonio Texas needs an NFL team! It will happen one day!
Why SHOULDN'T the most-populous Southeast city (excluding TX from that region) have a NFL franchise??
The NBA and NHL does well in small, one sport markets (San Antonio, Oklahoma City & Portland for the NBA, several different Canadian markets for the NHL) because the arenas are small and can take advantage of a smaller but more fervent fan base. That’s really not how the NFL works- their model is more based on TV, less on attendance. Thus, they have trouble in a place like Jacksonville.
San Antonio is the 7th largest city in America
@ and the 31st largest media market. It’s more than the people in the city limits- it’s the surrounding area as well.
It's worth noting Jacksonville had nearly wooed the then-Houston Oilers in 1987. Like Irsay, though, it was simply a ploy for Bud Adams to convince Houston to renovate the Astrodome, but it can be argued that was the closest they got to a team between the Irsay visit and the Jags.
He wanted an entirely new stadium, but seeing as a) the city was broke from the Oil Crash, and b) Bud had driven the team into the ground after firing Bum Phillips in 1980, the city didn't trust him. The Astrodome upgrades were a "we'll give you something".
Essentially, from what I saw, it was either-or for Adams. But he definitely wanted Houston to do *something.*
I've had to make advertisements for events in Jacksonville, and had to refer to several friends from the area. I would ask, "What is Jacksonville best known for-what is it's cultural significance?" After the initial shock from having to recall their hometown wore off, the most common answer I received was, "we have a bridge."
Jags are not moving. We are getting a new stadium and Khan is putting a lot of money into the city himself. We have had hard times since the glory days of the late 90's, but Trevor and Doug will get us back on top.
The video clarifies that around the 11 minute mark
I hadn’t realized I’ve watched all the recent videos. Just went ahead and subscribed to you. Great content
Having a NFL team in London, is super impractical for any team west of the Mississippi, to get to London. Especially for all the NFL teams on the West Coast. I would think it would be more effective, to have an NFL team in Toronto or Montreal, Or even in Puerto Rico.
Except it legally is impossible to place a team in Canada due to the Canadian Football Act lol
Also PR?Jesus they have bigger fish to fry than having an NFL team
@@MrBlazemaster525 Mexico City would be more feasible, then London.
@@MrBlazemaster525there is no actual Canadian Football act. It was never passed. It was a threat to keep the old WFL out.
The CFL has no legal protection. What is keeping the NFL out of Toronto are three things: one, it would kill the Bills since about 20% of their fan base is from Southern Ontario. Toronto is less than three hours drive from the Bills home stadium. Two, no one in Canada has stepped up and said he was interested in owning a team. The NFL is likes one guy to own at least half or more and Billionaires are not lining up pushing for a team here. Some corporate entities are, but the NFL doesn't like corporate ownership at all. And three, the Stadium or lack thereof. The Rogers Center is now baseball only and too small for the NFL (60000 seats are the target, Rogers/SkyDome only sat 50000). The TFC of the MLS and Toronto Argonauts of the CFL play in 32000 seat BMO Field. It gets expanded for big events but it isn't an NFL stadium , not even close. So who is ponying up a billion or more for a stadium? Unlike the US, Canadian taxpayers don't like paying for stadium and our politicians get tarred and feathered if they sign bad deals for these things. The Montreal Olympics scandals have made any politician nervous about funding pro sports. It can be done, but no one has made a case for a building that may get a few concerts and maybe 9 games a year is economically viable at a billion plus a year.
Montreal has Olympic Stadium but it couldn't be seriously considered for a long term solution since it needs a lot of upgrades and no one is paying there for that either. Vancouver has potential but the Seahawks would never allow it and the Stadium there could do it up to a point.
But remember this too, CFL fields are bigger so any existing field up here when a NFL field is plopped on it looks strange and small. The stadium are not cozy and intimate.
So ya, no NFL team will be here any time soon for a bunch of reasons but there is no actual legislation to protect the CFL
9:41 Pretty brazen to show the Missouri River as the predominate river system in the USA.
Meanwhile San Diego and Oakland got fucked
Everyone's abandoned Oakland, not just nfl. And honestly, I don't blame em
@@patrickjeffers7864 I agree.
Oakland did a lot of things that put themselves in that position. As for San Diego, the taxpayer's said they didn't want to buy a billionaire a stadium and he left. It sucks they have no team but I wish more cities would stand up to these carpetbaggers
@@marklittle8805 with San Diego is partially true. they held a vote in SD if they wanted the Chargers to stay, but it didnt pass because the majority of people who live in SD arent natives. so they could care less if they stayed or not, if the vote included SD county where most of the fans live. then the vote wouldve passed and we woould still have a team
@@marklittle8805 it was only voted by those that lived in down town. it was a bloated bill that never had a chance. Spanos did what he could to leave. Hope he continues to fail. Chargers were mid level in attendance. No reason to leave when half the league had less revenue.
The Weaver brothers only sold the team to Kahn because he promised to never move the team from Jacksonville under his ownership. Also the $1b renovation guarantees multiple decades, and on top of that Jacksonville is one of the fastest growing cities in the US so by 2057 when the stadium deal will be renewed it will be one of the bigger cities in the US. And not to mention the idea that an NFL team will ever move overseas anytime soon is ridiculous, it would be extremely unfair for a team to travel back and forth across different continents.
Just another side note as a Floridian is that Florida is really big on college football. In north Florida you have the Florida Gators as well as FSU. So the jaguars get overshadowed in Florida due to the success and popularity of college football in the state.
@@jeromethompson3825 but they both suck
@@drunkengamer7378 This year yes but still my point remains. College football is HUGE in Florida. In my opinion college football teams sell more merchandise and get more ratings and viewership than the Florida pro football teams.
@@jeromethompson3825 The Dolphins and Bucs both have won multiple Super Bowls. I think people would care more about the Jags if they were consistent winners. from 1995-2023, their first 29 years, they've made the playoffs 8 times.
Jacksonville minor league sports are packed. Jags are horrible and when they have been good the fans show up.
Really interesting video! As a Brit (and Bears fan) it is great having the Jags come over each year, as it grows the UK audience. The new stadium shows that they will not come to London, and personally, I expect London to probably be the next expansion city in the next six - seven years. Once London gets a team, I don't see the Jags coming back that often - they have however been excellent promoters for the sport over here!
Correction: You showed MetLife, Inc. Stadium 🏟️ as part of the New York market. The stadium is physically located in the Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, about 7 miles west of New York City/Manhattan.
Just remember this, sports fans: ☝️
There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team in the State of New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬 (Village of Orchard Park, Erie County, New York). 👈😃👍
DUVAL MENTIONED?!??!? RAAAAAAAHHHHH
I lived in Florida for about 20 years in Orlando and west palm beach. Florida is a football state first and foremost. The NFL saw this and it was a booming state. When I first moved to Florida there was newspapers and I am sports fan. I was shocked to read the newspaper say in April or may and the sports section talked about how the spring practices were going for the big Florida college football teams. There was very little mention of the start of baseball season or the NBA. Football is king in Florida.
Jacksonville renewed the lease for 30 years and approved a new stadium very recently. How could you be this wrong? Just way off the mark here.
bro driving by the milhouse coffee places is one of the most amazing smells youll ever experience lol
Simple answer here--Jacksonville is in a part of the country where football is king. Judging by "Maapify" views on Oakland as a victim for teams leaving, without citing left wing downward spiral of Oakland, it is likely based on his leftist dislike of Florida, and the south, in general.
If we’re gonna ask this, then we should ask why Buffalo has a team despite never having over half a million residence. Or, we can ask why LA had THREE teams at one point. Simply put, if the right people with the right connections in the league make the right moves at the right time, teams can start anywhere.
Buffalo has 1.2 million people. Rochester is 65 miles from Buffalo. It has nearly the same. Buffalo and Rochester are closer than the outer edges of Jacksonville. Also 2000' across the Niagara river (which Buffalo sits on)is 400k people. That doesn't even include Toronto which is 90 miles from Buffalo. TO is > Chicago. The Bills are a regional franchise that DWARFS Jacksonville
He left out that Buffalo and New Orleans are now smaller markets than Jacksonville by a large margin. Metro Jacksonville is also the 3rd fastest growing large metro area with over 1.7 million people.
Why do people hate Jacksonville so much?
Don’t report on the city unless you stayed here for a week and went to all parts of the city.
I think if the Jaguars were consistent winners they wouldn't get so much flack. Buffalo went to 4 straight Super Bowls and the Saints have won a Super bowl. They also have an NBA team, and people not just in New Orleans but lots of people in Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama. Buffalo also gets support from fans in Ontario, Canada.
Urban hellscape with poor infrastructure and humidity.
I stayed there for 35 years. Jacksonville is awful. I moved to Philly and while they have their own set of problems, at least there's something to DO.
Jacksonville's kinda a joke! Duval County is the sixth largest county in the state. In a couple of censuses, both Polk and Lee counties will be be more populous moving Duval down to #8. By now, half the Jaxons reading this are about to type their angry replies- the usual Jaxson reply, "Jacksonville is the largest city in the state: bigger than either Miami or Tampa!" And that is what makes them a joke. Jacksonville and Duval County consolidated in the 60s because they had to: otherwise the city of Jacksonville was going bankrupt. Duval County was paying for Jacksonville one way or another, so consolidation was inevitable. And so Jacksonville became the largest city in the state not because of growth, but because everyone was moving out of their inner core. But it's probably not even one of the ten most important cities in Florida. I mean it's definitely more important than a city like Bartow or Ocala, but less important than Orlando and Fort Lauderdale...
@@sayyedal-afghani " It’s easily one of the top 10 swamp cities in northeastern Florida." Jason Mendoza, "The Good Place."
No other major sports? Golf’s 5th biggest tournament, The Players, is hosted by the pga tour every year.
Just a couple points..Jacksonville does have aTriple A baseball team in the International League, the Jumbo Shrimp who are the Miami Marlins top farm club. And as far as the Bandwagon Map which appears at 7:44 , although you probably uploaded this from some other source, the Buffalo Bills fanbase extends into Canada while northern PA is more likely Steelers territory.
They also have had several minor league teams in their Veterans Memorial Arena- most notably, the arena football Jacksonville Sharks and the Jacksonville Giants of the American Basketball Association (essentially a *minor* league version of the NBA- well, more minor than the G League, though you'd figure they'd at least try and consider them as an expansion team... oh well.)
Do they have pickle ball and minor league hockey too? Sorry but your examples make Jax look worse. The Miami Marlins are a farm team for the Red Sox and Yankees
They actually might have a minor league hockey team. Or at least, are within reasonable driving distance of one.
@@erics.czernecki7333 @lifehoff yes we have the Jacksonville Icemen which are an affiliate of the Buffalo Sabers (idk why Buffalo instead of closer teams like the Cats or Lightning)
@@lifehoff Yes the Icemen, affiliate of the Sabres
I admire the structure of the Packers so much. The NFL has a rule prohibiting any other publicly owned teams, which is completely ridiculous. So many times it’s public funds going to build the arenas and stadiums, but profits go to an owner.
I don't think even Roger Goodell knows why
A while ago I read somewhere that Orlando was designated the Jaguars secondary TV market, despite it being geographically closer to Tampa. Interesting to think about. I live down here in South Florida but love the jaguars and bucs more than the Dolphins, I’m the odd man out down here. Also the gators are closer to Jacksonville than any other college team, I wonder how many people are fans of both gators and Jaguars, or if gators have more Buccaneer fans.
Orlando is closer to Jacksonville geographically. I’m in Tampa most people I know here are bucs/gators fans
Orlando is less than 100 miles from Tampa. Jacksonville is 140 miles from Orlando.
I’m a Packers fan and shareholder and what you didn’t mention is that the Packers also serve as an NFL surrogate for Milwaukee which is a city with NBA and MLB teams. So by Green Bay having a team, Milwaukee honestly doesn’t need one because down the road is one of the most storied franchises in the league.
"Shareholder".
Milwaukee needs an NHL team.
@@signoresantinoburnett1169 Absolutely!
First of all the :overwhelming majority" of people who live in the Jacksonville Metropolitan Area do NOT live in Duval County. The metro area is currently approaching 1.8 million people and if you include the other counties you included in the video that is around 2 million people. Also, I am glad that you included the fact that the $1.2 billion stadium deal was passed but you failed to mention the importance of that agreement which included a new 30 year lease which seems to be minimized in the video. Also, in last year's Census Bureau data, Jacksonville added more people in year to year raw numbers than any place in the country but 2 cities. We've heard the "Jacksonville does not deserve an NFL franchise for 30+ years since the inception yet here we are. The NFL is not in the business of supporting franchises in cities that are not viable. Cities like Nashville which is currently building a new stadium and many others receive state money for new stadiums, which the Jags, Bucs or Dolphins do not. The perception of Jax will probably never change on a national level and that's fine. Our economic strength is extremely diverse and tourism is a relatively small contributor. We are ok with that. In the past 50 years we have steadily grown without the "boom or bust" consequences. Shad Khan is also currently behind construction of a Four Seasons Hotel across the street from Everbank Stadium as well as a future entertainment district in the sports complex. Despite the continued skepticism and annoyance from the outside the future of the NFL in Jacksonville is as secure as it has ever been.
It’s weird that Jacksonville ended up with an NFL team, but since they’ve already been there for 30 years, I think it would be morally wrong for them to relocate. We have already seen WAY too many relocating sports teams over the last 10 years. I’m sick of it.
The Florida Georgia game isn't the Gator Bowl. That's a totally seperate game
What an idiotic video with no research done at all
The stadiums were not full when the Jags played in London...! Plus, most spectators there were European supporters of other NFL teams. Keep the games in Jacksonville, or rotate one game per season to another country such as Canada, Mexico, Brazil, UK, Germany, etc...
Why in the world do you have a RUclips channel 😭
As you said, the Packers have the advantage of history working for them (1921, IIRC). Over time, the same dynamics will work for Jax too. Being the only major league game in town has its advantages.
Well lets see, is larger than Tampa, is Larger than Miami. Jacksonville is Florida's largest city
By city...
By METRO, it is not. And that's the more important factor.
Jacksonville lucked into getting a team.
@@29Texan Yeah I have no idea why people just suddenly forget that metro population is the key.
@@29Texan Jacksonville was a Federal Reserve got the team (season tickets were about sold out for years) before all the banking jobs and pay per capita went crashing down.
The way I understand it is Jacksonville got the expansion team b/c Art Modell who owned the Browns voted against Baltimore getting an expansion franchise as he was already considering moving there. This may or may not be true but that is the story I heard years ago.
I have never met a Jaguar fan and I've lived in Florida for 40 years.
As a Brit, the idea of teams upping and moving is utterly horrifying to me.
But I do think the jags have been fairly smart in trying to make more fans abroad rather than in Florida itself. I went to one of the wembley games back in 2018 and while I'm certain it's not a home game (you see every jersey, more people went to see the game than support a team), it did seem there was alot more jags jersey's than anyone else, so it seems to be working for them.
I think London will get a team eventually, but I personally hope its an expansion and not a current team again due to my European baise (they did what now? seriously?). Though at the same time I think they've spent too long trying to build it and as a result alot of people in the UK already have a team and wouldn't switch to support a London one as a main team. Plus logistically it will be an utter nightmare and teams will start complaining about jet lag, unfair advantage etc.
i think its easier to do it in the NFL due to the US being big
In Northern Florida, major College Football market rules. When they get on a winning streak, they sell out consistently. I don’t blame the owner for making some money on the London Deals. I can recall being in Jacksonville and not even being able to watch them on local television due to blackout because they didn’t sell enough seats. Another area that probably holds them up in ticket sales is the Naval community which brings fan bases from all over the country.
This is true. I served in the Navy for 20 years in Jacksonville and there are allot of sailors there with the Two Navy Bases in the arera (there used to be 3) I served on all three bases in my 20 + years. I remember there were very few Jaguars fans in among the people serving there. I was an Oiler fan when I transferred there in 90 but the Oilers moved to TN and Jax was awarded a franchise right aroud the same time. So I have been a Jags fan ever since and I was in the super minority in every command I served in. It is true though deep down it is a college football area especially since the gators are so close.
I strongly disagree. I’m retired Navy and been in Jax since 04. The Jags are a way bigger than any college team, not sure where you guys are getting this from. All you have to do is look at the local TV ratings, the Jags blow away college. I’ve been here for the Gators Tebow years and the Jags playoff runs, you can’t get into a sports bar when the Jags play. This fallacy needs to stop that college football is more popular than the Jags, it’s a verifiable fact the Jags are more popular. Look at the ratings….the Jags also get better attendance than quite a few NFL teams. I’m a die hard Dawg….
You must have been high when you tried to watch the game and it was blacked out. I have been in Jacksonville my whole life and that has NEVER happened, EVER. The game is always on Channel 4. Even for Thursday night games that are only on Prime or Monday night on ESPN you can still watch it on the local station so I know you are capping. Additionally, College football has no effect on the Jags and the Navy is actually a huge help to the Jags because they support each other and a lot of Jags fans are military affiliate.
The only reason I know of the Jags is thanks to Khan's son, Tony, and his wrestling fed, which also ran events in Wembly Stadium this year and last.
This dude don't have a clue.... Our Jaguars aren't moving anywhere!
Here's a darker interpretation : Jacksonville has an NFL franchise because it's where Ohio State head coach Woody Hayes met his demise in The Gator Bowl back in '78. Much the same way the country focused on all things Dallas after JFK''s assanination back in '63. In the aftermath, we couldn't get enough of the Cowboys after having martyred a president there. Why do you think we call them America's Team ? Football tragedy engenders myth building. I'm nearly 60 years old - so I know what I'm talking about. 😐
No, you do not. The Cowboys being America's team has zero to due with the JFK assassination. It was success (25 straight winning records 60s-80s, winning Superbowls), the cheerleaders, the star on the helmet, and a marketing term used by the team after an NFL Films documentary calling them America's team. And your Woody Hayes reason for Jax having a team is straight up delusional.