Did Jesus Break The Sabbath? Edwin Cotto Discusses With A Critic
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Does John 5:18 prove that Jesus broke the sabbath? Many use this text to refute Sabbath keeping, but lets examine these claims to see if they are actually scriptural.
Link to Original video: ruclips.net/user/livev4cfFsmQ...
0:00 - Intro
0:42 - The Claim made by our critic
5:14 - John 5:18 Explained
9:19 - Parallels With John 7
14:12 - Did The Pharisees add their own rules to the Sabbath?
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Some people use that scripture as actual grounds to ignore God's holy 7th day Sabbath (thinking that Jesus broke the Sabbath, so the Sabbath no longer matters), while forgetting that the Sabbath is still the 4th Commandment. Had Jesus truly broken the Sabbath, then He would've sinned before Father God, we all would have no Savior, and all of humanity would've been destroyed.💯
So what grounds would Christians use to ignore the Sabbath when nobody kept God's Commandments and God erected a new and better covenant?
@@SamSupsWhat is the New or Better Covenant?
@@PrairieChristianOutreach Matthew 5:3-12 “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”
The NEW COMMANDMENTS SPOKEN BY JESUS CHRIST
MATTHEW 5:21-48 “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: but I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
@@SamSups
There are no Biblical grounds to ignore God's holy 7th day Sabbath. God is not the author of confusion; He says what He means and He means what He says. Jesus was without sin (sin is the transgression of the law), and therefore, He kept God's commandments.
*All of them.*
"Here is the patience of the saints: here _are_ they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Rev. 14:12
Did not Jesus not keep the Sabbath as the legalistic Pharisees promoted, but He kept it as a blessing for His Father, and His fellow humans!!
Why is our friend hiding in the shadows? The truth of God will lead us all into the light and set us free 🙏🏽
He’s hiding because he claims to be SDA.
Saturday is the Sabbath and because its biblical truth, there is no amount of arguing on social media that will change that fact. Its just like mathematical truth that 2+2=4 we can argue till the cows come home but nothing will ever change that fact.
You are correct. There is no question, Saturday is the sabbath. the real question question is, is the keeping of the sabbath for Christians?
@@davidwilliams6580100%yes it's for mankind.....
Imagine that!! Their Sunday suggests that Jesus was a sinner! Are they crazy?! Jesus even said teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
But where is the evidence that Christ broke the Sabbath, I had this same conversation with a pentecostal preacher, when I finished with him he said sorry he think that Jesus had broken the Sabbath;; But if this was true , then Jesus could not be our example,,
Amen brothers! I love your ministry! Your arguments are clear and concise and biblical. Thank you!
The guest obviously does not want to hear the answer. He wants to continue living as he wants.
What makes you think you’re living according to God and not of this world?
@@Adam-N-Eve the bible
@@John316alwaysAmen!
@@John316always That’s laughable. Give me Bible & Verse
@@Adam-N-Eve then laugh. If the bible is laughable to you, then you have bigger problems.
Not Only Did ADL clearly and concisely explain the Breaking (Loosen) in the scriptures in a child like way that the Critic understood where it was coming from but states that it didn't make sense but couldn't sum up on how it didn't make sense.
And, if you watch the remaining part of the clip before he leaves, he never answered my request to explain chapter 7. You may watch the full video at the link provided in the description.
Brother Edwin, I wish you had let him talk a little more because what I noticed in dialoguing critics is that the more they talk the longer the rope they provide to hang themselves. perhaps, if he had a little more time to speak, he would have realized how inconsistent his arguments were. I believe that given time many critics who are honest will recognize the inconsistency in their positions. The dishonest ones may not, but as they try to defend inconsistency, others will see how fallacious their positions are. Just a little advice, let the critic talk more and you will see what I mean. Much love to you Brother. Great job.
@@NevillePeter777 It is not best to listen to error.
@@earlysda....In this setting of a debate, you have to allow critics to respond, in order to be fair, otherwise.......nobody will take SDA`s seriously
Why many Christians have so many confusions about the 10 Commandments? When we read the Old Testament, it described the same attitude. Nothing new under the sun. Rebellious! From the leaders down to the people.
Hosea 8:12 "I have written for him the great things of My law,
But they were considered a strange thing."
"It doesn't make sense" is all he could say after that clear explanation
Immediately you took him to verse 7 ,all hell was let loose.
People just want to serve God on their own term. PITY
Amen praised God
It was the hypocrite Pharisees who accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath. If Jesus broke the Sabbath, then the Pharisees accusation is true.
So, if you are correct, and Jesus did actually break the Sabbath, even once.......Christ`s death was in vain, and we have no Saviour.......Wake up brother!
It is safe to say that there are two accusations being made by the Pharisees in verse 18, that John was simply recording (as a narrator or commentator would), and that by accepting the first accusation (breaking the Sabbath) you'd also have to accept the second accusation. Namely (as the 2nd accusation implies in the narrative), that God wasn't His Father, and therefore Jesus wouldn't be equal with God (see something similar in John 10:30-33).
It's a double accusation. Not an either or accusation!
Therefore, for the Sabbath breaking charge to be valid, critics would have to take the accusation in both its parts-they'd have to say that Jesus broke the Sabbath AND that Jesus wasn't equal with God, because in the narrative BOTH accusations are linked together, since they come from the same event!
Critics really need to think through their arguments carefully!
HEY BROTHER'S, BLESSINGS IN MESSIAH JESUS, THE CAPTAIN OF OUR SALVATION, AND OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. GLAD TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD WITH MISTER PETERSON, NOW I KNOW WHAT HE IS UP TO ON YOUR ADL FACEBOOK CHANNEL MORE CLEARLY. (MARKED).
Why don’t you learn from these incidents ADL… wake up!
….don’t go live with these people. Do an interview with them first in private discussing as you have here on the video, then do a video addressing the topic in a q and a format so that Satan doesn’t have any opportunity to get a foothold in the videos you post as he did today again through you and mr Peterson.
Let the words that are spoken in your videos only be edifying for the listener… arguments such as these made between you and mr Peterson mainly him exerting his selfishness tear he as a guest should be given what he is not entitled to since it is not a debate where each debater receives his allotted time, are not edifying for the listener, they are down right passive aggressive and not of God.
Remember to allow the Bible itself to do the cutting for 1 John 2:3-6 is clear that
Anyone who says that they know God but break His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them! So if Jesus broke the Sabbath then He is a liar and the truth is not in Him WHY?
because God goes on to tell us that we are to “walk as Jesus walked”, so now how is mr Peterson going to explain that we must walk as Jesus Who is the Son walked, if Jesus broke the Sabbath?
How about the fact that we TOO are called the sons and daughters of God? Are we not commanded to remember to keep the Sabbath holy? (Exodus 20:8-11) did Jesus not do this very thing according to John 15:10; Luke 4:16 obedient even in death keeping the Sabbath according to the commandment? (Luke 23:54-56)
You need to be able to think on your feet ADL if you are going to engage in debate (which you ought not to do since Jesus never debated),
He asked questions and said
it is written opening the truth to His attackers.
Remember also that mr Peterson uses ONE scripture to try to build his counterfeit teaching on, which we all know is not supported by God’s word which requires a minimum of two witnesses to establish a matter, (Matthew 18:16; John 8:17; 2 Corinthians 13:1) two or three different persons all saying the same thing, correctly divided scripture btw (2 Timothy 2:16)
mr Peterson pits scripture against itself, which is not correctly dividing scripture to establish its truth (2 Timothy 2:15)
Another thing is that mr Peterson is not interested in understanding truth, (Psalm 119:151,160) he is only interested in pushing his point, cherry-picking John 5:18 as support for sin… forgetting that to break the Sabbath is sin, God has never broken the Sabbath for He does no servile work on it, perhaps mr Peterson is unaware if the fact that Jesus is the creator God (John 1:3) and that the Ten Commandments are a transcript of His character (Philippians 2:5) thus is my Peterson saying that God has no understanding of how He made His Sabbath to be kept? Has mr Peterson ever read 1 John 5:2,3 which declares that the commandments of God are not burdensome?
Mr Peterson by contrast thinks he is doing a good thing by trying to find ways to let God off the hook, and thinks that giving God permission to sin is the way to do so thus showing his Total lack of comprehension of the history being recorded by John, NOT JOHN SPEAKING BTW (2 Peter 1:19-21) forgetting perhaps that sin which equals darkness but that in God there is only LIGHT! Light chases away darkness (Genesis 1:1-5; John 1:1-5).
Each time you do these types of punch up videos, I believe it grieves the Holy Spirit because if we walk as Jesus walked, we will see that He never invited conflict.. be mindful of this. He never went out looking for trouble saying ask Me, I’ll throw the book at you! no, Jesus was mild, a gentle Man who opened the law and the prophets to expose error by speaking truth (Luke 24:27)… He only answered to defend truth when others came to Him and attacked Him, otherwise He went about minding His own business setting an example by His practise.
Mr Peterson forgets that the weekly Sabbath exists for ONE REASON ONLY, to identify Christ as the only life giver at creation (Genesis 2:1-3) and redemption (Deuteronomy 5:15) and debunking satans counterfeit theory of evolution, in which he teaches that there is no life giving creator God, Christ our Lord and that He cannot resurrect the dead because they belong to him (Jude 9)
I have warned them on other videos that this debating is generally not a good thing to do. I gave SOP quotes from Gospel Workers 1892 that shows that unless a specific point is in view, and the Holy Spirit so directs, we are NOT to debate anyone. We see in the Bible that Jesus himself only debated one time, showing that it is not a sin to debate, but it is generally not the best way to go.
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Blessings to you, and let's pray for these zealous young men.
Mt Peterson why can we not see you? What is the purpose of being in shadow? Why not come into the light so that we can see you hmm?
Im curious to know if any denominations have a holy day from Monday to Thursday. If not the great denominations of the world are really debating whether it's either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. why is Saturday the only day that can biblically be the Sabbath. Because it being the fourth commandment, and by having a triple blessing of ( Rest, blessed, and hollowed.) and that no work can be done on the Sabbath. But you can work on the other 6 days.
WANT TO BLESS ALL THE BROTHERS & SISTERS WITH THIS POWERFUL QUOTE FROM PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS.
Psalms 85:10
“MERCY AND TRUTH are met TOGETHER; RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PEACE have KISSED EACH OTHER.”
"If the LAW could be CHANGED, man might have been saved WITHOUT the sacrifice of CHRIST; but the fact that it was necessary for CHRIST to give HIS LIFE for the fallen race, PROVES that the LAW OF GOD will not release the sinner from its claims upon him. It is demonstrated that the wages of sin is death. When CHRIST died, the destruction of Satan was made certain. But if the LAW was abolished at the cross, as many claim, then the agony and death of GOD'S DEAR SON were endured only to give to Satan just what he asked; then the prince of evil triumphed, his charges against the divine government were sustained. The very fact that CHRIST bore the penalty of man's transgression is a mighty argument to all created intelligences that the LAW IS CHANGELESS; that GOD IS RIGHTEOUS, MERCIFUL, and SELF-DENYING; and that INFINITE JUSTICE AND MERCY UNITE in the administration of HIS GOVERNMENT." PP 70.1
Great job on both accounts. Because we can all unite on the truth when following GOD, who was first to rest on the 7th day. The mark to follow is God not man. Mankind either obeys, serves, pleases God not man. Men can only model what they learn. Study to show thyself approve unto God. We are to unite on this blessed Truth from the Father God who loves us all with an everlasting Love. To the brother that ask of a man who kept the sabbath before the children of Jacob/Israel, God’s word is true Genesis 26:5 Be blessed by the God of peace.
Those who hold that Christ abolished the law teach that He broke the Sabbath and justified His disciples in doing the same. Thus they are really taking the same ground as did the caviling Jews. In this they contradict the testimony of Christ Himself, who declared, "I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." John 15:10. Neither the Saviour nor His followers broke the law of the Sabbath. Christ was a living representative of the law. No violation of its holy precepts was found in His life. Looking upon a nation of witnesses who were seeking occasion to condemn Him, He could say unchallenged, "Which of you convicteth Me of sin?" John 8:46
Powerful
Pretty clear John says in vs :14 "done these things" and doesn't say "broke the sabbath" (small s btw) til ur vs :18 so vs :18 "breaking the sabbath" can only be related to the bed carrying law breakage.
Jesus loosed the donkeys on Aviv 5, not a Sabbath , in Matthew...btw. Mark n Luke record Jesus on a wild donkey two days earlier cuz it WAS the Sabbath n that donkey had done no work yet
Kinda hard to watch cuz host lost control....it wasn't terrible n shud t be mentioned but I consider him a friend n know he understands critique over criticism.... Blessings!
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Pray for my patience. And frankly, I'm a little jealous of Deonte now lol 😁
@@AdventDefenseLeague Bwahajaaa! Ur teeth r set on edge, (of sour grapes our fathers ate) REPENT! lol...u did just fine...and yes, we have 180° doctrine
Mr Peterson you have fallen foul of 2 Peter 3:16 to your own destruction.
The Ten Commandments are a transcript of Gods character. Jesus is God and if He broke His ten commandment He would not be God.
John 5:18 they claimed that He broke the Sabbath. They also claimed that He was a blasphemer, who do you target the Sabbath only?
You cannot prove that the Sabbath was broken by Jesus see John 15:10 I HAVE KEPT MY FATHERS COMMANDMENTS so are you going to believe Jesus Who is God who does not lie (Titus 1:2) or are you going to believe the leaders who accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because He permitted the Father healed through Him even on the Sabbath day as John records in John 14:10?
Amen, Christ loosened the Sabbath from the burdens and regulations imposed upon the Sabbath by the Pharisees. They were the ones that added all kinds of unnecessary burdens and regulations to the Sabbath. They "tied" the Sabbath to them. Christ "loosened" the Sabbath from all these unbiblical burdens. They were never part of God's law in the Old Testament to begin with.
Can you guys please do a video on the Lunar Sabbath🥲.
I haven't even watched the video yet, and I can answer that with a big capital, NOOOOOOOOOOOO! lol
does an accusation make it true? try that in a court of law. and God's court is as higher than one on earth as the heavens are above the earth. following this logic, the accusation of the Pharisee's that Jesus was a wine bibber (drunk) and had a demon would be also true? i'm afraid some do not understand what "cherry picking" in the biblical sense actually means. pulling a few verses from the scriptures, disregarding others, is exactly what many, and this person did, and if they'd stop and listen, reason out, what they are actually saying, but their minds are so focused on making it fit their ideological concoctions. Peter, speaking of Paul's writings, mentioned that some of his writings were hard to understand, and some wrested (came up with false conclusions) and they did so to their own destruction.
Just wondering if it could be helpful to write down an interjection and then respond once the speaker is finished 🤷♀️
High sabbath days are ceremonial. 10 commandmen Sabbaths days are part of moral law. Lev 23 makes a distinction from the beginning of the chapter. This is a basic understanding of basic Jewish orthodoxy.
There are zero "ceremonial" laws in the Holy Bible.
The High Sabbaths are NOT ceremonial. God clearly states throughout Lev. 23 that ALL of these festivals must be observed FOREVER by His ppl. The person who observes the weekly Sabbath and rejects the annual festivals is equally out of alignment with the Bible as the Sunday keeper. Read the last part of Zech. 14 where it clearly prophesies what Christ will do to the nations who refuse to observe the Feast of Tabernacles after He returns.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 believer, I was agreeing with you until you overstated the case.
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Actually, the Statutes are NOT as important as the Commandments.
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God bless you for standing for truth.
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If Christ was allowed to transgress the 4th commandment (Sabbath) then He was allowed to transgress the 6th commandment (murder).
God said He Kill and He make alive. By your logic, if we go by the Sabbath day we don’t have to be Holy any other day.
@@Adam-N-Eveso you believe God decides to bear false witness or transgress His commandments anytime?
@@Adam-N-EveKill and murder are not the same according to the Bible.
@@BallersLife3 Bible and verse that states otherwise. You people are so dense, you don’t understand God saying that His thoughts are not our thoughts and our ways are not His
@@thatnicekid04 I believe God thoughts are not our and our ways are not His
Yes; he did
The Sabbath was made for man ,so we can have rest in Jesus he created that rest for us we did not do anything at creation so why should we have the same privilege as him he being the creator.
Yahshua never sinned from the account of the Bible 1 Peter 2: 22, so if you believe the accusations of the Pharasies, then Yahshua couldn't have qualified for sin offering. He was also accused of using evil spirits to heal the blind man in John 9. His own family said one time that he Jesus was mad. Do you believe all these accusations? 1 John 3:4 says, " Sin is the transgression of the law, so if Jesus broke the SABBATH, the he Jesus is a sinner and therefore does not fit for a SAVOUR.
I got a response asking if the Sabbath is for Christians? According to all of the new testament and James 2:10 the Sabbath is for all Christians for all time. But if you know of a new denomination that will get me to heaven abrogating the law of God, sign me up. For I'm not too averse to fornication, adultery, stealing etc. coveting my neighbors wife just like king David. lying, bearing false witness. You get the point. But really it doesn't take many sins to keep you from heaven, it only takes one sin to make you a law breaker (rebellion) in God's eyes to keep you out of the kingdom.
7th day Sabbath was given to Israel as part of the previous covernant and was never change. Jews continue to observe the 7th day Sabbath, so nothing has change.
Jesus also kept the 7th day Sabbath because he is a Jew born under the law, and as his Jewish custom was, that is correct thing for him to do.
However, under the new covernant, which we gentiles comes in, there is no 7th day Sabbath and Jesus never teach the keeping of 7th day Sabbath. In fact, his disciples broke the 7th day sabbath law according to the Jews, and he defended them, because he is the Lord of the Sabbath.
The apostles and the early christians began to break bread and sharing the Word of God on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). Breaking of bread is the same as our worship service today. In 321AD, Emperor Constantine only endorse what was already practice by early christians.
And the Jews continue to keep the 7th day Sabbath as this was part of a covernant made between them and God. We gentiles were not part of that covernant.
Gentiles enjoy the same blessings but under a new covernant by Jesus Christ. We continue to obey God but not through the law written on a stone tablet, which was part of the old covernant. We obey God through Jesus Christ who put his laws in our heart, the substance of the stone tablet.
Just as the animal sacrifice is the shadow of Christ as sacrifice, animal's blood is the shadow of the blood of Jesus, the 7th day Sabbath is the shadow of God's Sabbath rest made available to us in Christ. (Mathew 11:28-29), a rest for our soul.
God rested on the 7th day after creation, and remain in his Sabbath rest to this day. He never kept it every 7th day of the week, the way he commanded Israel to keep, because that was the shadow (Colossians 2:16-17) of his true rest made available in Christ. The 7th day in Genesis only begins with evening but no morning which means, we are still in the 7th day today and God is still in his rest.
So the Jews were commanded to keep the Sabbath day (Shadow), but more importantly, they were expected of God to enter the land of Canaan (type of God's Sabbath Rest, Hebrew 4:8) and remain in it. Unfortunately, They didn't because of unbelief.
So under Christ, we still keep the Sabbath, but not the way Israel kept it. We keep it the way God kept it since creation. It must be a dwelling place for our soul to rest from worries, stress and all anxieties of life that suppress our soul and not a one day church service in week.
With regards to the day, let no one judge you (Colossians 2:16-17) as we now have access to the Sabbath rest (substance), Sabbath day(Shadow) no longer matters.
Hebrew 4:7, We have a new Sabbath day called "TODAY". Today we must enter into the Sabbath Rest of God and remain in it For God entered into his rest after creation and he remain in it to this day.
That is the way we should keep the Sabbath under Christ and his covernant. This is not disobedience to the law, it's fulfilling the Sabbath law under the new covernant. (Matthew 5:17). Even the Jews or the Adventist who observe the 7th Sabbath day must also enter into the Sabbath Rest of God. It is possible for you to keep the shadow(Day) and miss out on the substance (Rest).
Worship shall be a daily lifestyle.
Isaiah 66:23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the Lord. That means, worship must be your daily life style, not an activity you perform one day in a week
When Jesus returns, we will enter into his Sabbath rest and remain in it for the entire millennium just as God enter and remain in his sabbath rest since creation. We will not keep it the way he commanded Israel to keep under the previous covernant which was only the shadow. God never change, but the way he relates to man and man relates to him change under the new covernant in Christ.
Hebrews 4:7 was quoting Psalm 95. This means that the rest being referred to was not a new rest, but a rest the was available in David's day. David still kept the Sabbath Holy while being in that rest.
Colossians 2 is not about the 7th day Sabbath.
@@thatnicekid04
Hebrew 4:7 is about the land of Canaan, a type of God's Sabbath Rest.
Colossians 2 is about Sabbath day and year, shadow of God's Sabbath Rest.
Wrong. Not only did the Sabbath exist many centuries before Israel became a nation, Exo. 31:16 shows God clearly stating that the Sabbath is an eternal covenant that is _independent_ of the Sinai Covenant. Furthermore, Christ's physical ethnicity was NOT the reason He observed it. He observed it because it is permanently enshrined in the Decalogue as law. Rejecting or profaning the Sabbath is sin(1 Jhn 3:4), regardless of the person's ethnicity.
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We both agree on Sabbath, there's no question on that.
However, you emphasize on Sabbath day (Shadow), I emphasize on Sabbath Rest (Substance).
That's the problem with Israel. They keep the shadow well, but miss out on the Sabbath Rest.
Since Sabbath Rest is made available in Christ, we gentiles enter into it and remain in it, as God enter into his Sabbath Rest since creation and remain in to this day. You cannot find the Sabbath Rest on the 7th day because that's just the shadow. You only find it in Christ. Jews can keep the 7th day Sabbath since it is part of their covernant with God. But they are required to enter into the Sabbath Rest of God as emphasize by Hebrew 4. And the day to enter God's rest is today, which means everyday.
@@manuaiipondraken8376 here is the problem with what you are saying. Since the Sabbath was instituted at creation along with marriage, it cannot foreshadow anything since sin did not exist at that time. The yearly sabots for shadow Christ and his sacrifice, but it is not possible that the sabbath could foreshadow sacrifices if sin did not exist.
Elder Edwin I disagree with you on this point, Jesus did not break the sabbath or make it lose, it’s a misleading analogy, if you read before all that, it was about healing the man they were mad at and John was just stating what the Pharisees say, the sabbath was not bound it’s always free
Edwin you are wrong on this one.
I'm open to the idea that John was restating what the Pharisees accused Him of. Thanks for sharing.
maimau le taimi e faamalamalama ai si uso ,e tete'e ile truth Bible,,Jesu's,, is ,,Joh 17,17,TruthJoh,14,6,,, ,,,,law is , Truth,,Psalm,,119,142,,
Irrefutable! 😎
Yes and No. Yes he broke the Mosaic Sabbath but not the one in the Garden that had no rules at all. SDA are trolling on this. Hebrew 4 debunks you. Stop with this nonsense.
What a silly question. Jesus was born under the law and fulfilled it.
We don't!
We 😅die to the law. Dead to the law. Are not led by law. Do not follow law.
by faith alone righteousness is imputed to our account apart from law.
Christ was not born under the law, and you will never find a passage that legitimately teaches this falsehood. And before you misquote Galatians, it says that His mother Mary was the one who was born under the law.
Typo error. I should have said a day can never ever be a creature. It is just a matter of time (,for days years etc)
Jesus never break the sabbath , Jesus break the law of the Jew the man law not the sabbath.that why Jesus said to the jews .The sabbath was made for man ,not man made for the sabbath , as Jesus said I am the Lord of the Sabbath All Jesus life on this earth he keep is sabbath as is coustomer from the creation until Jesus died .Jesus died on friday and rest is body on sabbath and raise on the first day of the week .
Would be nice to do a love stream with christians who actually know SDA and the church history with the Law and the prophets (scriptures).
That why one would know where scripture is being twisted or doctored to ones own domination.
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Besides the Jews Sabbath issue...
who are the 144,000 according to the gospel?
@ADL please change your title immediately to not misrepresent me. @4:24 & @6:55 (more precisely @4:32 & @7:12 (@1:14:00 original)) you also agreed with me that John spoke 5:18 of his own will and understanding and that John was not speaking on the behalf of anyone else. Afterwards, you went on to monopolize the conversation by expressing what YOU believe John meant vs what he said in that verse, and I was not given time to continue my thoughts, as I kept asking for, and as you’re probably aware monopolizing a conversation may cause the other person to lose their train of thought and/or questions. I showed you respect by not interrupting you: although you kept interrupting me when it was my time to speak. My silence while you spoke was not because I agreed or disagreed with anything you said, it was me honestly listening and showing the respect that I give to all and expect in return. You should really work on this. 🙏 If you take a closer listen, I even verbally expressed my agreement with certain things you went on to express (freeing the sabbath day) even if we may have different takes on what that meant, and you would have heard mine-as I did yours-if you would have chosen to allow me to speak. Go back to the original video @58:12 @1:07:00 and you’ll see that I was given the floor, but you guys monopolized and you (mostly Cotto) interrupted without allowing me to freely continue on to lay out my thoughts which caused the conversation to pivot to John 5:18 off of your interruption and question Cotto.
Again, since you also agreed that John said that Christ broke the sabbath, I am asking that you change the title of the video to include yourselves or to take the clip down. While I myself like to be fair to others and not misrepresent them in anyway, I don’t play games when others are not doing the same. 🙏
Do you mean the title that says, "A critic claimed Jesus broke the Sabbath, watch what happened next..." ?
Isn't that what you tried to argue, though?
Sayless, Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
Exod 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Do you believe Jesus broke any part of that commandment?
@@AdventDefenseLeague again, you didn’t know what my overall argument was on this topic nor any topics I attempted to express because you chose not to listen; and rather, you chose to monopolize the conversation, yet you used a clip to try to further your own agenda and allegations. This is my last attempt to get you to comply with the information and evidence supplied to you.
@@Sayless_Beloved ok just a simple yes or no will suffice... did you claim Jesus broke the Sabbath, as the title says?
If yes, the title stays because it's exactly what you claimed.
If no, then I'll happily change the title even if I disagree.
Yes, or no?
@@earlysda Exodus 20:10 KJV
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: 👉in it thou shalt not do any work👈, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Matthew 12:1-8 KJV
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat👈. [2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, 👉thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. [3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; [4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, 👉which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? [5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that 👉on the sabbath days the priests in the temple 👉profane the sabbath, and 👉are blameless? [6] But I say unto you, That 👉in this place is 👉one greater than the temple🛑👈📌. [7] But if ye had known [Cotto/ADL/earlysda] what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. [8] For the Son of man is 👉Lord even of the sabbath day.
Jesus Can't Broke the Sabbath, Jesus IS The Sabbath...
Saturday is Nature, Its a Natural Day, And God is a Spirit, We Worship God in Spirit and in Truth, SATURDAY Sabbath is NOT Of Faith, it is Of Works.
You are Worshipping THE Creature MORE Than The CREATOR,
AMEN!!!
What verse says, "Jesus IS the Sabbath?"
Jesus is NOT the Sabbath. He is LORD of the Sabbath.
Nobody is worshipping the Sabbath. You just created your own straw man and then knocked it down: Case in point if the 4th commandment is "of works" then not killing someone is also "of works" as is not having any graven images or taking God's name in vain.
Jesus is not a sanctified space of 24 hrs, and anyone who argues it is a genuine fool.
Nobody kept the Commandments that was why a new covenant was effected by God. Christians have nothing to do with the Genesis 7th day which belongs to the O/C as well. Jesus even commanded the healed lame man in John 5:8, to break the Sabbath law by telling to pack up his gear on that day and walk home.
How is packing his things a disobedience to the 4th commandment? I fail to see your logic here.
You are aware that the first recorded Sabbath breaker was stoned to death for picking up sticks in Numbers 15:32 right?
Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
@@MVPBBDThat was a very specific instance of that man willingly not preparing for the Sabbath as God commanded and instead going out high handedly to pick up sticks. The man who carried his mat couldn’t have prepared for the healing so as to not carry the mat… the issue wasn’t with carrying something. Context matters.
@@MajorGari was it a holy permissible deed, I e packing up your gear and walk?
Why do you all create such a false dichotomy? Either A) Jesus broke the Sabbath or B) Jesus loosened the Sabbath?
Jesus said He was working like His Father is also working (the Sabbath commandment expressly forbids work on the Sabbath), John said Jesus broke the Sabbath, the Pharisees said Jesus broke the Sabbath, so why can't it be C) Jesus both broke and loosened the Sabbath? He also instructed others to do so as well (e.g. the disciples were given permission to pick grain and the healed paralytic was told to take his bed)
This is evidence that the Sabbath is a ceremonial law. Jesus broke all kinds of ceremonial laws and yet didn't sin - He touched lepers, dead bodies etc, and wasn't ceremonially unclean. Why are you twisting scripture to suit your beliefs? Let the Word speak for itself.
If the Sabbath were only a ceremonial law then why is it within the 10 commandments?
Just go to Chapter 7 and see how Jesus clears Himself of violating the Sabbath.
@@Heavenlysojourner the 4th commandment was the seal of the old covenant. The 10 commandments were part of Theocratic Israel's 613 Mosiac laws. It is a Vassal suzerain covenant (where the seal was always located in the center) which consisted of a combination of moral and ceremonial laws.
For example, eating Kosher is not a matter of morality, but a ritualistic/ceremonial tradition. Morality is what is right or wrong for all people for all times - murder is immoral, idolatry is immoral. Resting for 24 hours is not.
Jesus transgressing the Sabbath Commandment would be sin. Him teaching others to break the Sabbath would be against His own words in Matthew 5. Jesus is not the author of sin.
The disciples still kept the Sabbath according to the commandment after His death.
@MVPBBD wrote:
// resting for 24 hours is not (moral) //
The problem with this statement is the presupposition that the 4th commandment is merely a 24 hour thing. Actually the 4th commandment is God telling His people what to do EVERY DAY (six days thou shalt labor, but the seventh day rest).
Touche! Brother Edwin! Beautiful rendition....!