The Investigative Judgment EXPOSED! Heresy or Truth?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Critics often accuse SDAs of believing in the "heretical" doctrine of the IJ. Well... Is The Investigative Judgement a Biblical doctrine? The answer may shock you.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Accusation
1:07 - Did this Doctrine Come From Ellen White?
2:25 - Does The Bible Speak About A Judgement To Come?
5:46 - Are We Being Judged Now?
6:49 - Is There An Investigative Judgement?
9:49 - When Was The Ministry Done In The Most Holy Place?
12:31 - When Is The Cleansing Of the Heavenly Sanctuary?
15:54 - When Was The Work Of The Priest Done?
18:55 - When Will God Blot Out Our Sins?
20:45 - Is God Judging Us To Determine Who Is Worthy?
23:21 - Wasn't It Finished At The Cross?
Stay there Brethren!!Stay on the firing line! Defend the Truth of God's Word.I am so excited!
I give Thanks and Praise to God!
Thank you faithful Children of God for declaring the Truth of God's Word so clearly! Amen Amen.Amen!!
I ❤❤❤ it
May God Shower you with all His Blessings! as you faithfully continue to Speak the Truth of His Word.!
I read Daniel chapter 7 so many times, I can’t believe I missed that part.. Thank you for explaining it and may God keep blessing your ministry.
When you have a guest on live, use a time clock of two or three minutes each without interruptions. I think more would be accomplished that way.
God bless you ADL brethren
For *we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ* that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
{2 Corinthians 5:10}
Yet there is not a righteous man on earth that does good and sins not. There is but one name under the heaven by the which we must be saved and it isn’t ours. Our lamb is the only way. I know you all know this. I’m so grateful that he is still interceding for us. But I do look forward for when He will go and change his heavenly priestly robe for His King of King robe and come and get His own. What a day that soon will be. When our Savior Jesus we will soon see. When we look upon his face. The one that saves us by His grace what a day. Yes what a day that soon will be.
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
John 10:16
You cannot say anything about EGWhite until you read all her books especially , those of her Visions and dreams …
Most people just repeat gossip they heard from someone else who didn't read it either.
Rev. 14:7 is the 4th Commandment.
The 4th commandment the only commandment identifying the Creator God that should be worshipped and obeyed. Without 4th commandment the pagan might as well worship Alah or Buddha!
Great job. ❤ Sharing this on Twitter.
Blessings. The Holy place is in Heaven and the kingdom is within. God put his law on our hearts. (Revelation 11:19) them who follow after the beast will have the name blotted from the Lambs book of life because they have the Law blotted from their head and right hand where the Lord put the testimony (law, Deuteronomy 6) The antichrist will set up his throne in the most Holy place...The hearts of those who will worship him and follow after his image (taking the mark) Jesus said. "Dont you know that you are the temple?" God bless you
Context! There's also a literal temple in Heaven...and a literal kingdom
Love your take on Rev 2:23 yes its going on know Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; (and my reward is with me,)to give every man according as his work shall be. Notice the Lord is coming with His reward. This signifies the end of a Judgment 🙏🏽🙏🏽He is a revealer not a Concealer Amen Brothers and Sisters
Time in a relative sense is not the same for our eternal God as it is with man.
Even simple common sense would help people understand that God is not going to perpetuate evil and sin . God will not bring the sin and rebellion into heaven after He kicked Satan and the rebellious angels out of Heaven and expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden so they could NOT EAT IF THE TREE OF LIFE AND PERPETUATE SIN.
HELLO people.
Do you not know that Jesus came to Destroy the works of the devil not bring them home.
He came to SAVE His people FROM their sins.
Not in them.
The same law preachers throw out the churches is the same Law God will use to judge them 😊😊😊
But there will be for SDA but not for the Saints
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv psalms 111: 7,8,10 I don’t know you. But I am almost sure you do not have other Gods but the God of heaven. And you don’t encourage God’s Children to steal, lye, commit adultery, use God’s name in vain. You know what I am almost sure that the only one of the ten Commandments you would want to be rid of is the fourth.
The Investigative Judgement is not for God, he already knows why people are saved or unsaved, instead, it's for the unfallen beings so they could understand God's judgement. Same thing with The Millennial Judgement and Executive Judgement, they are for the saved and the unsaved, respectively, so they could understand God's judgement as the saved judge the unsaved and the unsaved judge themselves.
What or who are unfallen beings?
Heb 1:2; 11:3. Also Job 1:6, 7 these sons of God are the unfallen, representing their worlds, satan represents the earth as dominion was given to him when Adam forfeited his right of dominion@@mauricethomas7090
@@mauricethomas7090 The angels who remain faithful to God, human beings in other planets who did not eat the forbidden fruit, and all creatures great and small spectating the Great Controversy between God and satan. The Investigative Judgement is for them, they are investigating to see that God's judgement is fair and righteous.
Not Biblical 😞
@@ivanmarkpadilla4810 thank you for your response. Where can I find this teaching in the Bible?
Amen!!! You nailed it.
Preachers of lawlessness will never understand prophecies. If you refuse to understand then you are where you are.
What's sad is people will claim its only EGW that teaches that and its not in scripture. Then you show them 5,10,20 verses where it is in scripture. Then they say its proof texts. To which they then rebuttal with proof texts of their own at the exclusion of considering all scripture as a whole cohesive book. Praise God sda are willing to take the whole bible instead of pulling one proof text from paul and twisting to their destruction.
Isn't that ironic, that they accuse of proof texting while proof texting? 🤦🏻♂️
@@AdventDefenseLeague yes, but praise the lord that the everlasting Gospel is going forward. We will be baptizing 7 from my prophecy seminar this Sabbath
@@sharidandan4172 amen! Pray for us and for baptisms as we also lead out at a seminar in Pennsylvania next month. 🙏
@@AdventDefenseLeague absolutely! My family will keep your meetings in prayer.
Unto 2,300 days( years ) then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Where the High priest is. The high priest has to interceding for us. That’s why He came down here to pay the price, ( death. ) if he did not die for my sin, I will need to keep look for an other lamb.
Most people who oppose SDAs don't accept the very Bible, Old and New Testaments, that they proport to believe. They have no clue of the earthly Sanctuary Service, much more the Heavenly one. And yet they say they have the Holy Spirit. We pray their eyes and hearts will be open to the Spirit of truth.
They try to make the Bible fit what they are told instead of letting the Bible determine what they believe. “let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.””
Romans 3:4
Point me to the scriptures in the Bible that teach the Heavenly Sanctuary and Investigative Judgement teaching.
@mauricethomas7090 did you watch the video?
@@mauricethomas7090 Did you watch the presentation?
@@AdventDefenseLeague no, I don’t have the time right now. If you send me the Bible scriptures, I should be able to understand it.
No judgement, because when we go to a court on earth there is no penal code or an investigation to the determine if you are guilty or innocent. And you have an accuser ( the law can only condem ) and a defense attorney, Jesus. So in a judgement only a judge can dispense mercy.
Believer: How is the investigation going?
Sevy: What one is that?
Believer: You know. The Adventist investigative judgement.
Sevy: Oh, you know, try not to think of it really.
Not sure it's that important.
Believer: Really, I thought it was a core sda doctrine?
Sevy: Yes, yes you are right, well I confess each night and I'm covered, best I can hope for really seeing I'm on probation.
Believer: I guess if the atonement at the cross isn't finished yet you could fall on the wrong side of the fence?
Sevy: Well no I am saved by Grace, But I can still Fall from Grace.
Believer: So You are saved?
Sevy: Of Course.
Believer: But you told me you are being Judged, under the investigative Judgement, Can fall from Grace, and must confess sin each night to stay in Grace!
Sevy: Well, if you put it like that?
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
{Matthew 7:21}
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
{1 John 5:3}
They're not grievous because they're done from the spirit not from law! If it's from the law ,it becomes impossible to do!
@@jimbob1644
Forgetting to remember the sabbath day is not keeping it spiritually either jimbob.
Exodus 32:32-35
The Investigative Judgement doctrine of 1844 is not found in scripture Hebrews chapter 9 ;12 says " He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Notice it has already happened when the book of Hebrews was written
See the above text he entered once
Verse 25 says "Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again" how many times does the IJ doctrine say Jesus entered?
Last part of verse 26 says " But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin " Notice Jesus has appeared at the time of writing Hebrews once .
Please consider these texts and God bless
Not so fast....back up and listen to the whole story.
Zoom out and look at the bigger picture.
When Jesus is COMPLETELY FINISHED WE WILL BE HOME IN HEAVEN.
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into *the holy place* having obtained eternal redemption for us.
{Hebrews 9:12}
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The holy place ~ G39 ~ agion / ἅγιον
The most holy place G39 G39 ~ agion agion / ἅγιον ἅγιον
LSB says holy places, which would mean sanctuary, not the most holy place. Also the throne of God has wheels, it’s mobile. The throne could be in the holy place or the most holy place, depending on the ministration.
@@dok9024 What makes a place holy? Its the presence of God - how can something be most holy if Gods not in it?
@@user-pb7ee4tk3qno you're not going
Excellent presentation. I want to add one thing that was in what you all said but not said.
The Day of Atonement occurred even though there was sacrificing of lambs all year for their sins. The sacrifice was clearly a foreshadow of what Christ, the Lamb, was to do at the cross. We cannot accept only part of a service that was meant to teach us about salvation and reject the other parts. The plan of salvation was not finished at the cross just as it was not finished in the Old Testament at the sacrificing of the lambs.
Amen
So how did the sins get( in )Jesus Christ first Peter 2:24 and what did he do with them,
So you said ,you have no atonement, is what you just said!
We accept all earthly judgements, but not a heavenly judgement. Help me understand that theory. 🤔🤔🤔
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
{Revelation 14:12}
This is righteousness by faith in variety.
Revolucion 14 it's not speaking of you
Hebrews chapter 8: 1-6 talks about Jesus in the Heavenly Sanctuary with the Father right know as our Mediator Hebrews 9: 11-15 does as well. So those verses alone tells us that our Lord and Savior is in the most Holiest of Holy places. Mediating for our sins on our behalf, because there is an investigating Judgment going on revelation 20: 11-12 speaks of books being opened and a judgment happening end time judgement. This is not for His benefit, but for all His creation to see how Righteous and True His judgment is🙏🏽🙏🏽
The throne of the Father is on the sides of the North in the tabernacle of the congregation until his throne moved to the most Holy place for the judgment wherefore the sanctuary is being cleansed of the record of sin.
Our sins are. Not blotted out at the cross. God said the soul that sin shall die, but God loves us so much He sent Jesus to die instead of us sinners.
What was Jesus doing in the Holy Place from AD 31 to AD 1844?
Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
If you don't know is because you're not following him
Just a thought not judging
@morpeter76 That doesn't answer the question this person asked.
@Sundroplet I believe heb 7:25
Give the answer he was ministering to the church's That where going to exist through that time look at revelation 3
And he is seeing walking in front of the candle stick also 🙏🙏
My birthday is July, the 16th best day ever.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, *him will I blot out of my book*
{Exodus 32:33}
Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and *blot out their name from under heaven* and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.
{Deuteronomy 19:14}
Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies *blot out my transgressions*
{Psalm 51:1}
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and *I will not blot out his name out of the book of life* but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
{Revelation 3:5}
When are you going to be sin free? Ellen said you had to be perfect to enter heaven!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
What about yourself Mary?
Revelation 12 18 Rewards are not Salvation. Rewards come after Salvation. Salvation is a free gift to accept.
Only the saved get rewarded
There are 2 types of judgment, you have the fiery judgement, and the investigate judgement. The investigate judgement is for the living. According to revelation 14:6-7, speak of the everlasting gospel to preach and that they should repent because the hour of his judgement has come. So now is in the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary going through the names of living sinners and pleading on our behalf to Father God. The fiery judgement will come after the millennium is ended. Then Jesus will be coming down from heaven with the saints of God and fire will come down out of heaven from God and consume Satan and his followers.
All of our sins will be blotted out immediately after Jesus declare in heaven that it is finish. Then he that is filthy, let him be filthy still, and he that is righteous let him be righteous still. Revelation 22:11-12
The fiery judgment is for everyone..everyone will be salted with fire..there is no such thing as the investigative judgment in the bible..
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For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, *as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty*
{James 2:11-12}
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole *duty* of man.
{The Preacher 12:13}
i'm not disagreeing with you Larry. it's that i believe many have a wrong conception of what the "law of liberty" means. many, as i once did, thought it meant i was free, at liberty from the law, at liberty from keeping it. however, i see it so differently now. if we believe that Christ came to set us free from the power of sin, and "i can do all things thru Christ Jesus who strengthens me," "greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world," then Christ has the power to set me free from my carnal mind which is enmity against the law, i am free and at liberty to keep it, not in my strength, but in His and out of love for Him. if i'm doing it to be saved, then it's not of faith but works. too, i think many have a misconception of what real bible faith is. it's more than believing, for James tells us that even the devils believe and tremble. Abraham, the "father of the faithful, yes he believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. his belief in God caused him to do something. to do what God instructed him, to get out of Haran and move to a land he didn't know. bible faith will always cause an action in doing what God has told us to do. faith is believing, and an abiding trust in God that results in doing what He says is best for us.
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I do not.
@@user-kp8yp1hj5t
I am not one of those people. And you should not think to assume as such.
@@larrybedouin2921 agreed. as i mentioned in the earlier response, i wasn't disagreeing with you. we're on the same page there. my point was how some take the "law of liberty" part of James' message.
This guy is laughable.Why do we need Grace? There have to be a reason why God should be gracious to us (simple ) because we are sinners and SIN is the transgression of his Law.
A guy send me this.. Ellen White said that Jesus Christ is not the Lord God almighty. Letter 32 1899 qwoted in SDA Bible commentary vol 5 p1129) please help me out here. Is this a true qwote? Is she being misquoted somehow? Its really bothering me. I find it hard to swallow.
We answered this question in this video: ruclips.net/video/br_AEHaNm48/видео.htmlsi=tnEEWHNOeKBrpXQz
Thanks will study it
She also said he's the devil Read it in the investigative judgment!
@@JamieElison send it if u can. Need to see this shit for myself.
@@KobusBotha-wl7in Ellen g white estates .sharing the vision. the investigative judgment. maranatha. page 251 August 31st. The third paragraph. line 7 and 8 Ellen says the devil is the second Goat of Leviticus 16:10 for the (atonement )(before the Lord...) The second Goat of Leviticus 16:10 is Jesus Christ.)!!.. Then in 1897. Manuscript 112 page 18. She said the )scapegoat is Jesus Christ ).but she never changed what she wrote in the investigative judgment. I could give you hundreds of this stuff.. the woman is sent by the Devil Himself!
When Jesus went to heaven He went straight to the Holy Place , Not to the Most Holy Place ..
Jesus went to the most Holy In 1844
How do we know this ?
The prophet Daniel was shown ,
The Servant of God , EGW
Was shown .
Read the book of Daniel .. 23
This is awesome,it's just tht the bible itself says differently: Act 7:55-56 KJV 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. How did Stephen see this vision if Jesus was in the holy place? Once again: 1Pe 3:21-22 KJV 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
The investigative judgment started in 1844, where is the biblical evidence for that?
When Jesus comes back the second time is to take the Righteous people home to heaven with Him .
He’s not coming to judge and to
forgive anyone of sis .
He already forgiven , and judged and cleansed .. and
save the righteous ..
Then in the 2nd coming , He will come to give every man according to his work she’ll be ..
I wanted to watch this and learn but the condescending tone ruined it for me. Even if it was because the presenters are comfortable with each other, think of the viewer who doesn’t know you and watching for the first time.
People will make any excuse to dismiss truth these days and be offended by it. There was no condescending tone whatsoever.
@@21divel cool. Go in peace beloved.
When the Arc was opened...making way for the Rev 12:1. What does John see?
There is no connection. Notice Revelation 12:1 tells us the location that the woman is seen is the same location that the dragon is seen in verse 3.
If you are implying that the woman is the ark, this is not correct. Let the Bible tell us about the ark. It is very consistent that inside the Ark was the law of God.
@@thatnicekid04Actually, and I'm not dogmatic on this point. However, being a Catholic myself, and knowing apologetics in both SDA and Catholicism. The Bible does have striking comparisons to the Ark of the Covenant with Mary. So, it may well be, in Revelation they are speaking of Mary. If you read Psalm 45: 8-15, it speaks of a queen in heaven who stands at the right hand of the King. If you take that in the context of all the Kings of Israel, it was the mother of the King, who was always the queen. Not the King's wife.
Mary was overshadowed with the Holy Spirit when she conceived.
The Arc of the covenant was overshadowed with the Presence of God.
She had the testimony of the Word of God (in the flesh) in her womb.
The Ark of the Covenant has the word of God in it.
There are many other comparisons. These are just a few
@@jfarrell2772 the context of Revelation 11|19 is about judging. The temple was open in heaven and the Ark of the Testament was seen. No one was allowed in the Temple but the High Priest. The situation was about judging. Nothing in scripture supports Mary having anything to do with judging. Nothing in scripture supports that Mary is currently alive in heaven.
@@thatnicekid04in the Arc of the Covenant were the Mana, Law and Rod. All is pointing to Christ. Mana - His body, Law - He Himself and Rod - His Kingship.when the Temple opened and the Arc is seen. The new Covenant Arc is Mary accommodating the King Himself. Therefore, there's definitely a connection which you cannot deny.
Revelation the 12 Stars around the Sun and the moon under her feet. the 12 tribes of Israel .(the woman is Israel). the Beast scene is the Beast of Revelation 13 and 17 in combination depicting the devil as being what is happening with Israel. Shoot surveillance in birth and this child is caught up to heaven Jesus Christ. from there to the end of time for Israel (not gentiles ).the first 1,260 days written in that text ..is when they fled to Petra ..on foot right after the child was caught up after the time of Titus. the last time times and a half a time is to the children of Daniel ..Daniel 12 ..at the end of time.. where Jesus tells you to go (understand the abomination of desolation Matthew 24:15 ). The transgression of desolation Daniel 8:13. After the daily sacrifices stopped the remainder of spaces 42 months. Which is revelation 13 five. that time times and a half a time he protects 1/3 of those people in Zechariah 13 ..and for those that he does not.. he puts through the fire! the Great Tribulation 42 months. the time times and a half a time of Revelation 13:5 not one thing in Revelation chapter 12 pertains to a gentile .because they are gone in Romans chapter 11 verse 25 (the last lin. from then on it goes to the (Covenant that God made with Jacob). there isn't one person on this site that understands this!
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Its become apparent that Advent Defence league comments support a righteousness that includes doing.
That righteousness is not so much a gift but a loan that must be maintained.
Now i have asked for their gospel that saves explanation and so far crickets.
That the investigative judgement could result in grace being removed because of unrepented sin is not included in my gospel.
They preach another Jesus than the one paul preached where the Gospel includes being redeemed from the curse of the law not bound to the law.
Gal 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
I was hoping for some details but i have only their 28 fundamental beliefs and ellens writings to go off. maybe in the future i might have some quality feed back, who knows?
Then show a verse thst says in october 1844 Jesus entered the most holy place ..where is it?
Brothers!! I understand that there is a conflict between you and Myles. But is it possible to set aside the conflicts and publically invite him to your platform (or vice versa) to discuss doctrine.
There are alot of people seeking the Truth (JESUS). And learning the true interpretation of Christ's teachings is more important then conflicts between brothers in Christ.
Or if that is not possible. Could you invite the apologists you are doing videos on so a proper discussion is taken place. Such as this video with @NeedGod Net.
I love your content. I am just wanting to understand the arguments and refutations better.
God bless.
Hey Joshua. ADL would love to have a discussion with Myles. But he has no interest to have a discussion with ADL. He will tell you that himself. He said he has dusted off his feet with ADL. He only wants to speak with "officially endorsed" SDAs. Yet he frequently responds to SDAs that are not officially endorsed all the time. The leaders of ADL are Elders of the SDA Church, and in good standing. Deonte will be ordained in time, but the rest already are.
He believes that the only reason why ADL wants a conversation with him is because his channel has grown and ADL is only interested in clout. What can ADL do with a person who has no interest to talk? Emails were sent. They were declined.
ADL is willing to speak with anyone. Ideally it would be on a platform that allows an open discussion without the worry of being cut off. This is the aim of ADL for the shows on Saturdays at 5pm EST.
Representatives went on Myles's show when he had his open mic. From the responses of some of his own audience, they felt that the guests were not given the full opportunity to explain the SDA position on Myles's claims.
What can ADL do?
Has Myles ever invited ADL into his platform?
@@jfarrell2772 Myles had a stream a while ago where I said he should speak with SDA Apologetists that knows how to explain SDA Beliefs correctly. He said live on his channel to bring them on.
So Deonte and I sent him an email. We told him we wanted to set up a discussion, and when would be good. He gave an email response back with complicated stipulations. We said we are willing to talk about any subject from the Sabbath to the State of the Dead. He responded and said he doesn't want to talk about that. He only wanted to talk about SDA exclusive things, like official statements from the church or some obscure topics.
Deonte got the impression that he wasn't as bold as he was on his show, and was giving weird stipulations that really didn't get to the heart of his claims that we wanted to refute, and he didn't seem like he really wanted us there.
Then he spoke to me in a Facebook group and said he would be having a show and we could arrange a time and I could bring whoever I wanted. He also had Chris Tucker speak to me about it. I told Chris that I will send an official letter from ADL to set it up. Chris ended up not relaying my messages to Myles.
ADL sent Myles an officiating email stating that we would like to schedule a discussion with him. He turned us down because he believed Edwin only wanted to talk with him because his channel grew. He said he is only interested in official endorsed members of the church, although he hasn't kept that word of his.
So now Myles dusts his feet off with ADL.
He will tell you all of these things. Ask him.
ADL is available to talk anytime. But we just want to make sure it is fair. His open mics were not.
@@jasonthomas2266 Would ADL go on to his platform, though? Or is ADL only willing to talk on your own platform?
He will have you on his show why don't you go there @@thatnicekid04
If you missed what God says in the first 3 chapters of Genesis, you have missed the rest.
That is it. Rest you cannot understand.
All what God says in the first chapter is recreating the desolated earth habitable for human habitation and in the second chapter God brings both Adam & Eve as full-blown humans.
It is the third chapter that is crucial to understand.
If God was able to impose His rule on Adam and Eve, that would have been much similar to what was done with angels. That is the basic difference between Angelic and human projects.
God couldn't recreate Himself in angels as they were brought as full-blown angels but with no ability to create their own offspring.
Purpose in creation of angels is different from human beings who have the ability to procreate.
The purpose of human project is for populating and beautifying the universe that is not possible with angels.
Also remember, God's family of God Almighty and His WORD were all Spirit Beings.
God's purpose for Human Project was to recreate Himself in humans to have a ruling family for Him to rule over mortal human family who are expected to rule the whole universe by populating and beautifying the universe.
But controversy already erupted Lucifer and 1/3 angels objecting for God's plan for Adam's family to rule over the universe from God's throne with 'WORD OF GOD'.
If Adam had triumphed over Satan's deception without listening to his wife, he would have replaced Lucifer then and there who was third in command of the God's family after God and His WORD ruling at that time.
Adam failed to replace "Satan" when God exercised His character of love by giving him the freedom to choose between God's rule and his rule.
By listening to Eve, Adam put his trust on what Satan had told his wife over what God commanded him. This literally delayed God's plan by 6 millennium.
From this point onwards, it became necessary to resurrect the "Human Project" by having a "Redeemer" and for human rule to progress and the rest of the story to follow by blocking access to God's Spirit for Adam's family.
This is the story that false Christendom never abled to understand without God's Spirit.
God blocked His Spirit to Adam's family for 6000 years as Gen 3:22-24 depicts.
God and Christ focus since that time was only to redeem their future ruling family of 24 Elders and 144000 men in the first resurrection under "Abrahamic Covenant".
Reason why "Salvation" to fallen family of Adam during 6000 years is not relevant.
Reason why EG White's writings are not relevant to this age and her group called SDA.
Ok, allow me to demonstrate from the scripture, why the Investigative Judgement is untenable:
FIRST: the bible makes it clear, that when Jesus was raised from the dead, the next place he was seen was the right hand of God. God dwells in the most holy place. If Jesus only enter the MHP in 1844, how was Stephen able to see him standing on the right hand of God in Acts 7: 55, 56? How is it that according to Eph 1: 19, 20, after God raised Jesus from the dead, he set him on his own right hand? How is it, once again, Col 3: 1-4 the bible speaks of the risen Christ being seated on the right hand of God? 1 Pet 3: 21, 22 once again gives the sequence of resurrection, going to heaven, and placement on the right hand of God- we know of the resurrection, we know of the ascension, why should be believe that the final stage is delayed till 1844? The final passage is Heb 1: 1- 4, where the sequence again is given of Jesus purging himself of sin, and sitting on the right hand on high- what warrant do we have to assumed that this sequence is delayed till 1844? Was Stephen having a prophetic vision while he was dying?
SECONDLY: the more egregious faux pas is the application of the year day principle outside of specific instructions in scripture. A recurring theme for the investigative judgement, is the neglect of context for the sake of promoting a specific theology. The two instances in the OT where the year/day principle is spoken of, specific instructions are given in the passages themselves, that this substitution ought to occur. Number 14: 33, 34 states explicitly, ‘even forty days, each day for a year’- so there is no guess work when it comes to the substitution of a day for a year. Eze 4: 6 also makes it clear ‘each day for a year’ so we have no doubt that it ought to be applied here as well. Outside of specific directives being given in scripture itself, what warrant do we have for taking the principle, outside of its indigenous context, and applying it across the board to other prophetic passages? How do we know where to apply it, and where not to apply it, outside of specific directives given in scripture? In John 2: 19, Jesus said ‘destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up’ and according to verse 21, he was speaking prophetically about his body. Are we then to substitute a day for a year, meaning he would be in the grave for three years? The fact that this is not the case is evidence of the ad hoc application of this principle.
THIRDLY: How is it, that we can take Daniel 8: 14 out of its context, where it is speaking of an earthly power, desecrating God’s earthly temple, and end up with the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary? Does the context have any influence on how a passage ought to be interpreted? Dan 8 speaks about an earthly power who defiles the earthly sanctuary; who takes away the daily sacrifices; who persecutes God’s people. Verse 13 asks a question concerning how long shall the vision of the daily sacrifice be? The trodding underfoot that is being inquired of, relates to the earthly power. How then do we take the answer to this question of an event happening ON EARTH, and end up with a heavenly answer?
FOURTHLY: the word that is translated as days in Dan 8: 14, in the original language is ereb boqer, which means evening morning literally. How do we get 2300 days to convert to years, when the word days was not even there in the original Hebrew? To make this point more forcefully, look at Dan 8: 26 where the same two words translated as days, is translated as evening and morning. This is a mistranslation, that EGW saw in the bible, and formed a doctrine out of it, but its not found in the original Hebrew language. An Israelites reading these scrolls, would have read evening morning, and not day- which makes sense given the fact that the earthly power took away the evening and morning sacrifices according to verses 11 and 12.
Deal with those if you can, notice I quoted the bible for each assertion. The next lesson would be why the devil cannot be the scapegoat. Stay tuned.
Now,let me give some question to him(to the one who made SDA church differs from Christian doctrine)
God,as you said that to be worthy to heaven does not mean by keeping the commandments,which is better,to obey God's commandment or nothing at all?
Short response to these Antinomian (pretending to be Christian )heretics
The old commandment said thou shall not eat anything that dies of itself, but you can sell it to strangers that don't keep the sabbath which means that sabbath keepers is like cane who does not offer the best sacrifice
If you’re going to take a text about food and apply it to Cain and sabbath, Able obeyed and sacrificed as God showed Adam. Cain kinda obeyed by sacrificing but with his interpretation of what God wanted. You can keep the Sabbath as God clearly stated or you can kinda obey by keeping the sabbath with your own interpretation on how to keep the sabbath.
This is the teaching of Ellen White Early Writing p. 39.3 for the EGW writing website. Not Biblical
The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes; they were noble, majestic, and lovely. They bore the express image of Jesus, and their countenances beamed with holy joy, expressive of the freedom and happiness of the place. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was, “We have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God, and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth.” Then I saw two trees, one looked much like the tree of life in the city. The fruit of both looked beautiful, but of one they could not eat. They had power to eat of both, but were forbidden to eat of one. Then my attending angel said to me, “None in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat, they would fall.”
just a question. would you say the same about the man that Paul mentioned being "caught up" to the 3rd heaven unbiblical? 2 Corinthians 12. are we to believe that the gift of prophecy, dreams, visions ended with the biblical canon? then the promise in Joel is of no affect and that would make the miracle at Pentecost a fake.
Grace is not cheap.
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
{1 Corinthians 6:20}
You said it Larry you don't respect Jesus Christ and said what he did for you is cheap
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
Mary do you need glasses dear, because I clearly said NOT!
You can't sew new patches on Old garment or they will rip
Hello guys....ain't we judge when we die according to revelations 20 vs 12-13 and revelations 11 vs 18
When we die we will not be conscience of anything until the resurrection at the last day, when judgments determined in heaven, are executed here on earth.
So as far as the dead are concerned it could be thousands of years or days, but all will be unaware until the day of the Lord, when Jesus Christ returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lord's with all of his holy angels to reap the harvest of the earth and to bring the wrath of God upon the vine of the earth.
@larrybedouin2921 i agree with you 100% on the state of the dead.....but please read those 2 verses carefully.....in 1844 the judgment started ......but where did it start.....who are the people to be judged first....(the dead)
1844 never happened
1844 never happened you can't get there with 2,300
1844 never happened
All you have to do to understand the investigative judgement is to see that the books were opened.. now ask yourself who theybare opened for? Well the 24 elders (who consist of saints like enoch and your moses and others that resurrected with christ) and the heavenly Angels.... This began in 1844 and continues until Michael stands up as recorded in Daniel... So buckle up.. there isnt much time..
Yeah but when Michael stands up he's not standing up for you you're not the people of Revelation 12 and the pope is not the first Beast
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv who's the first beast then if you know..?
He's the king of Daniel 8:23. The king that wins it by flatteries..( and is the prince of the covenant of Daniel 927.) As it says in Daniel 11:21 and 22! The little Horn of Daniel 7 are all the same guy!
The king of Daniel 8:23! Which is the seventh king of Revelation 17:11. That gets incarnated by the devil 8th. For a short space as it says which is 2,520 days. You should know this why don't you know that you claim you know prophecy!
@@JamieElison I know the papacy is this king... But who do you say it is? You have know clue....
It in the bible and you are reading IT wrong with EGW get rid of her you will be able to understand your Holy bible
So adventist works are being judged! How is that working out for them.
ok so you guys, ADL, said, yourselves that the Day of Atonement was about the "Cleansing" of sin. Then you actually went to Google to see what that word cleansing means? Google said forgiveness.
See what I mean. Your hearts are not open. The Bible says, the purpose of the Daily Sacrifices was for the "forgiveness" of sins. All those sins can only be "Cleansed", when The High Priest sprinkles the blood on the Mercy Seat, in the Most Holy Place, on the Day of Atonement.
The Bible says Jesus "Cleansed" our sins, upon ascension. So He Did go to the Most Holy Place, and sprinkled His own blood on the Mercy Seat, as our High Priest.
EGW says, that did NOT happen, utill 1844.
What righteousness do Adventists claim to have? Obviously they include works of obedience.
Obvious because they have a binding covenant law according to the 28 fundamental beliefs.
This is essential if you claim to be under the investigative Judgement.'
Fortunately Paul has explained this type of righteousness for us by siting moses covenant ten commandments.
As Adventists are NOT dead to the law but still have this tutor, schoolmaster, doing is part of maintaining salvation.
Does Paul describe adventist righteousness? Ill let You be the judge.
Rom 10:5
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
To be under Grace, means that sin no longer has dominion over you.
For Christ is the end [objective] of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
{Romans 10:4}
That the righteousness of the law *might be fulfilled in us* who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but *they that are after the Spirit* the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but *to be spiritually minded is life and peace*
Because *the carnal mind is enmity against God* for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
{Romans 8:4-7}
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then *with the mind I myself serve the law of God* but with the flesh the law of sin.
{Romans 7:25}
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or *of obedience* unto righteousness?
{Romans 6:16}
@@larrybedouin2921 Hi, great texts. Not sure how you are using them, but I like it.
So, you say"To be under Grace, means that sin no longer has dominion over you. "
What does that mean?
You don’t sin? Or If you do you are no longer under grace?
Interested in your view.
And.
For Christ is the end [objective] of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. {Romans 10:4}
So Now Faith has come we are no longer under the schoolmaster of the law?
Have I got it right?
Do Adventists rightly divide their bible. Eg. Has there only been one way for righteousness to be achieved in the bible?
Ellen G White the now deceased woman Prophet claims that names will be blotted out of the book of life in the investigative Judgement.
Gee, that throws a whole new light on the gospel.
Apparently sins remaining upon the books of record cancels out grace and the gospel that saves!!
That their works must stand up to investigation.
This for me would make a mockery of the text:
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Obviously Adventist would review this text to mean.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that is of yourselves: it is the gift on loan from God:?
These Adventists dont muck around. The law is judging them and they better know it!
When quoting Ephesians 2, don't just quote verse 8 alone because by doing so, you miss out something important. Quote all the way to verse 10.
When quoting Ephesians 2, don't just quote verse 8 alone because by doing so, you miss out something important. Quote all the way to verse 10.
@@josphatkirwa9992 Hi Mate. Why. the texts after 8 dont weaken eph 2:8!
They strengthen it!
We are his workmanship not our own efforts.
Be Dead to the law.......You are not under that schoolmaster today for you live in the dispensation of grace did you know!
It is "not of yourselves:" its grace alone faith alone apart from works of the law.
Thats the good news!
So the cross was not the final atonement. There was a future judgement required?
That is answered in the video
@@thatnicekid04 so you dont know mate? Or wont say....
@@thatnicekid04that's because the devil is doing the tournament in his blaspheming the Holy Spirit
@@bop-ya-good
The sacrifice was finished, but the day of Atonement also was a day of judgment. You cannot have a judgment for people yet to be born 2,000 years ago.
@@larrybedouin2921so why did job say he knows his Redeemer lives.. and Abrams Faith was accounted to him as righteousness already established before Jesus came.. you can't have Moses on the Mount of transfiguration if what you're saying were true.. it was by faith which is something you're not doing. You're not not Abraham seed!
For 40 years the lot came up in the left hand after Jesus died and it also stayed read the cloth that was supposed to turn white so every year that Israelites weren't forgiven and the door to the temple was open before it went down in 70
The adventist gospel must include works. Interesting. Keep up the good works guys....
James 2:18-20 (LSB) 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
@dok9024 you realise james said he wasn't talking to the new creatures in christ but yo Israel who is under the law. This is why Paul claimed we are saved apart from law.
Paul however does reveal the righteousness you seek.
Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
@@bop-ya-good
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV) 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
@dok9024 so you are a spiritual jew? I'm a new creature in christ neither jew or greek, nice to meet you.
Galatians 3:28 KJV - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Christ is the end of the law for me Romans 10:4 KJV - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
If you are a jew and an adventist the law is binding upon you.
Paul explains righteousness as a jew and an adventist.
Read on friend...
Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Where does it say faith without works is useless could you put up the verse for that in the Bible @@dok9024
Did any of the prophets or disciples teach the investigative judgment Doctrine and how did you arrived at that date that he went into the most holy place
Yes, both the prophet Daniel and the Apostle John.
@@larrybedouin2921really ?what does Daniel 8:13 tell you ?what does the (both) represent there ?and what got trampled down?
It did not happen !I can tell you what the 2300 days actually represent.
It did not happen I can tell you what the 2300 days are. in Daniel 8!
@@larrybedouin2921 where BCV?
I'm proud that only the Adventist church is given as depository of the truth as it is found in Jesus. It is only our church who preach about keeping the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus which is the spirit of prophecy as demonstrated in the biblical doctrine of the sanctuary time prophecy. There are undeniable truths that we can glean from studying the sanctuary doctrine as they are indispensably intertwined with each other. The doctrine of the sanctuary embraces the truths about:
1. The perpetuity of the 10 commandments.
2. The 7th day Sabbath
3. The second coming
4. The investigative judgment
5. The executive judgment
6. Righteousness by faith
7. The ongoing atonement of Jesus as our high priest until the close of probation when He is no longer interceding on our behalf.
Sanctuary doctrine makes our church as the movement of destiny who is fitted to preach the three angels message that is so relevant in our present time. Thank you for the additional enlightenment I received from this program. God bless you my brother ❤
It also embraces the fact that the devil is the scapegoat. In the sanctuary doctrine, the scapegoat makes atonement for us. Does the devil make atonement for us?
You are confusing the word "judgement", and misusing it. When God's wrath is poured down on this Earth because of it's evil inhabitants, when the Great Harlot is destroyed, etc, the Bible calls that judgement. There are many instances in both the old and new testaments where God Judges. So these judgements are different than The Judgement, when He sits on the great white throne, after the 1000 years.
Also, you mentioned "judgement is given to the Saints", but you didn't expound on that. You also are not mentioning the fact that, when Christ comes, before the 1000 years, the beast and false prophet are thrown into hell. Then Judgement is given to the Saints, for 1000 years. This is in Revelation and Daniel.
So yes, it makes sense that the Beast is given over to the fiery flame and Judgment begins for the 1000 years. Then after the 1000 years, the books will be opened
There is a judgement before Jesus comes. Revelation 14:7 says the hour of His Judgement has come. Then it mentions the Beast and receiving its mark. This means there is a judgment before the Beast is given to the flames.
@@kylontobias your question is answered in the video.
Be sure and have them look again maybe you can get another click you and Judas are working together at the same time @@thatnicekid04
😂👏 Yay! So glad you're talking about this false doctrine! I've only listened to 4 minutes so far and have already found errors. When Daniel sees the judgement and books being opened. That is the final Judgement after the 1000 years when God sits on the throne and everyone who ever lived stands before Him. Books are opened, and everyone is judged according to their works. This is plain and clear in Revelation.
Also, you didn't take into account when Jesus says, those who believe in Him have passed from death to life, and shall NOT come under judgement. This is in John. And, they are actually the ones who will sit in thrones and Judge, book of Revelation.
Also, you don't regurgitate EGW quotes. It's the faulty interpretation of Scripture that is EGW and SDA interpretation.
Can't wait to hear the rest. I'll probably comment at least a few other comments. And I'm not trying to be rude 😊
What verse was that in John?
@@AdventDefenseLeague John 5:24
There is a judgement before Jesus comes. Revelation 14:7 says the hour of His Judgement has come. Then it mentions the Beast and the punishment for receiving its mark in the verses after. This means there is a judgment before the Beast is given to the flames.
@jfarrell2772 here's that verse:
John 5:24 KJV - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into CONDEMNATION; but is passed from death unto life.
Some translations put "judgment" instead but the Greek holds the meaning of being condemned in the judgment. SDAs do not teach believers will be condemned, therefore they are in harmony with this verse. But Revelation 3:23 says Christ will "investogate" His church. That's what the word "searcheth" literally means:
Revelation 2:23 KJV - And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which SEARCHES the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Also, Peter wrote that judgment begins at the house of God:
1 Peter 4:17 KJV - For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Let's not pit one text against the other. These verses are clear. God's church will pass through the judgement but not be condemned. And the whole world will pass through it also, but they will be condemned.
@@thatnicekid04 But what kind of Judgement? Don't forget verses like Isaiah 1:23 where "judging" can be doing good to, or for someone.
And the temple lights in the temple doors wouldn't stay shut or lit for 40 years after Jesus died
It all comes down to this one simple truth: The Cleansing of sin, Only happens when the blood is sprinkled on the Mercy Seat, in the Most Holy Place, In the Presence of God.
The Bible teaches Jesus Cleansed us from Sin, when He ascended into Heaven
Any other doctrine is confusion and heresy
But Jesus said it happened at the cross
But Jesus said it happened at the cross
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv yes, that is what I'm saying. Jesus fulfilled the Cleansing of our sin on the cross. Not in 1844
@@jfarrell2772An understanding of the old testament sanctuary service & how it pertains to our salvation is key to understanding the investigate judgement. The sanctuary clearly shows all the steps in chronological order that Jesus took in the plan of salvation to put an end to sin. Jesus doesn't suddenly bypass the holy place and skip into the most holy place at His ascension. God is a God of order & we're required to follow Jesus in every step that He takes in the sanctuary service.
The daily service cleansed the sinner from sin while the yearly service on the day of atonement cleansed the sanctuary from the record of all forgiven sins.
The death of Jesus on the cross doesn't necessarily cleanse us from sin but rather makes provision for us to come boldly before God's throne and receive the benefits of Christ's atonement which are His perfect life & death. What Jesus did on the cross is corporate but forgiveness is personal. Only those that come to Jesus in faith & genuine repentance and confession of sin will truly benefit from what Jesus did on the cross.
Do You in believe in the bible application ? Which saying the saints; temple; high priest?😅 Where?
Sda is the old bottle Jesus spoke about they can't hold the new wine
What did you disagree with in the video?
Why do you say such?
Your atonement is not finished @@thatnicekid04
Your atonement is not finished
Thats disturbing. Im hearing from this site ongoing works is required under the gospel that saves today.
I sthis true?
That instructions to Israel is the same instructions to the new creature in christ that are neither jew or Greek.
That righteousness must be maintained, or else judgement will remove grace.
Is that in the adventist doctrine?
Do they think they are spiritual israel maybe?
Very confusing message here?
Do you consider yourself under the New Covenant?
@@thatnicekid04 so you dont answer the question and ask a question. interesting.
I was born gentile who has no covenant...fact
Eph 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Now can you at least try to answer please or move on so someone else can.
..........
Im hearing from this site ongoing works is required under the gospel that saves today.
I sthis true?
That instructions to Israel is the same instructions to the new creature in christ that are neither jew or Greek.
That righteousness must be maintained, or else judgement will remove grace.
Is that in the adventist doctrine?
Do they think they are spiritual israel maybe?
Very confusing message here?
@@bop-ya-goodYep. That is another false doctrine of the SDA Church, is Jesus was our example of how we must live. If Jesus can do it, so can we. So unless you are as holy as Jesus, you won't make it to heaven.
Sorry, not trying to be rude. But SDAs do teach, we must reach the holiness of Jesus in order to be saved. This is also an EGW doctrine
@@jfarrell2772 This appears true.
Im saved by grace alone faith alone apart from any works. I stand in christs righteousness not my own and have no burnt offering to offer to contribute to grace.
Im thankful, for i dont have a super will power not am i threatened by an investigation! Cheers Brother
@jfarrell2772 It seems you are rather ignorant of what SDAs believe...nothing could be further from the truth about what you are saying in regards to how they view salvation.
Nowhere in the sda official beliefs is there anything remotely close to what you are saying.
Be truthful in what you say about others beliefs.
Or you are bearing false witness.
It a false gospel
JUDGEMENT BY THE SAINT, NOT JUDGEMENT OF THE SAINTS.
Thats why SDA adherents never have surety of their salvation
I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work - Ecclesiastes 3:17
You're confused.
The judgment by the saint's is during the thousand year kingdom. It is a judgment of verification of judgmens made in the investigative judgment.
@@larrybedouin2921you got to quit breaking the 9th commandment Larry. that's not what that is saying .there's a judgment ahead of the great white throne judgement! Which is for rewards!. Then the saints help in the great white throne judgement also but the saints don't have a judgment except for receiving rewards not for sin!
@@jimbob1644
Wrong again jimbob!
Do ye not know that *the saints* shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
@@larrybedouin2921 yeah but you're not one of the saints! you can't say the devil is doing your atonement. and be a saint! That's right where you started!
The scriptures say there will be no night in heaven only day
True. How is this related to the topic in the video?
@thatnicekid04 Because sabbath keeping and teachings are not a part of the gospel, meaning the old commandments are different from the new commandments, so there should be distinction in reference to commandments
@@philologustate4464 the Gospel is everything Jesus taught
The context is the *new Jerusalem* prepared for us in heaven.
Where will the saints possess after God restores all things? Will there be a new earth?
The Old testament God said revenge an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth and it sent a revenger Jesus said turn the other cheek
Interesting. So Adventists live under the threat of falling from grace. Every thoght and sction being judged in a investigative judgement!
So that makes the Adventist i know be in a constant state of repentance. A yo yo salvation.
God help the poor sevy.
You said it!
@MaryMartinez-lm5tv really, it's that bad then?
The 2300 days are literal 24 hour periods, because the Bible uses the words "evening mornings"
The question, in Daniel, that was asked was specifically the time period of the rising of the Antichrist. It says how long will it be when the little horn rises up, takes away the daily sacrifices, etc. and the answer is 2300 literal days. The question was not how long will it be, from the rebuilding of the Temple.
After Jesus' death and resurrection, His Body, His Church is the Sanctuary, and the Bible says, in the end, it will be cleansed. This means the tares will be separated from the wheat. That is the "cleansing of His Sanctuary".
Also, you don't understand how the dynamic relationship between Jesus and us is, when it comes to blotting out our sin. Jesus' sacrifice is once and for all available to us for the forgiveness and blotting out of sin. Just because our sins are blotted out today, doesn't mean we will never sin again. We still sin everyday.
This is the way it works: Jesus gave His Church "Sacraments", which are Baptism, confession and forgiveness of sin, and The Lord's Supper. He knew that we would continue to sin on this Earth. For this reason, we confess our sins. He is faithful and just to "forgive" us. It doesn't stop there though. Jesus told His disciples, at the last supper, This is my body, which is broken for you, take and eat. And He said, This cup is the cup of the new covenant, which is His blood shed for us. The Bible says His blood "Cleanses" us from sin. Jesus commands His Church to frequently partake in the Lord's Supper for the cleansing of our sins, until He comes again.
This is something SDAs are not aware of, nor do you believe in Christ's true presence in the Bread and wine. Nor do you practice the Lord's Supper on a regular basis, as He commanded us
Yeah but Daniel 8:13 is the abomination of desolation.. written there as the transgression of desolation.. the same thing. that Jesus told you to (understand) that would happen at the end of time... written three times when the transgressors have come to their full!!. Daniel 8: 23 Or the end of the world (Matthew 24: 3). Matthew 24: 15 The abomination of desolation, you were supposed to (understand) that would occur at the end of time. the transgression of desolation of Daniel 8:13. The abomination of of Daniel 9:27 that makes the agreement for the covenant which is Daniel 11:22. By the king that wins the by flattery's.. is Daniel 11:21 the abomination of desolation ,Daniel11: 31 the abomination of desolation Daniel 12: 11. What are you going to do when they build that Sanctuary on the temple mount . now that they've got the( red heifers there) to do just that that's what created the war look at the videos!... the guy practices and prospers in that place for 42 months. After the daily sacrifice is stop .. The daily sacrifice operates for 1,040 days he is on animosity against the agreement. Daniel 11 after verse 21.. The space of time to build it is 220 days. The total space of time of Daniel 9:27. Is 2520.. The total space of time of Revelation chapter.11 When it's built .it has no outer Court. There's no room to build the outer. it it's a sharing arrangement. That is the covenant !. and is (trampled down ) just like Daniel 8:13! But not by the Jews, the Gentiles..This is a real sanctuary. But it's (not about salvation)! it's about peace in the Middle East! And by peace ,,he destroys many Daniel 8.... Peace.. Which will not happen! And the Great tribulation happens, Daniel 12 for a time times and a half a time do the( children of Daniel) his descendants!. Which is revelation 13:5.. that's not written to gentile Christians.
@@jimbob1644That's why Daniel 8:13-14 is specifically speaking of the end time period, leading up to the abomination of desolation. Not 2300 years from the rebuilding of Jerusalem, in the old testament, to 1844.
We might disagree about the "sanctuary", because I believe it refers to the Church Jesus started, 2000 years ago. I don't believe it will be the third temple. I think the Church Jesus started is full of Tares, and they need to be removed. This is what I believe the "cleansing of the Sanctuary" is.
I do agree, though, the Third Temple will be built, and the red heifer's are here, and this is the reason for the war, paving the way for Ezekiel 38-39.
Luke says, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, know that it's desolation is here. This is the abomination of desolation.
Meanwhile, Pope Francis is starting a new religion, which everyone, including SDAs are on board with. Faithful Catholics know what's going on though, we have our own prophecies, that are happening now, and we are preparing, even for martyrdom.
There is the Abraham Family House, already up and running, which includes the new "Christian" religion, Orthodox Jews and Muslims.
Jews and Catholics are being persecuted. God bless Bishop Mari Mari.
So all in all, I think Jerusalem will be destroyed, the Vatican will be destroyed. Then all religions will unite, and there will be a fake Peace between Israel and Islam.
And, that's the deadly wound that will be healed.
By the way, if Israel and Islam get together, you know who's heads will be beheaded. Those who believe that Jesus is God, especially those who believe in the Eucharist, since both Orthodox Jews and Muslims think that is Idolatry
@@jfarrell2772 but that belief system that you're speaking of. (Eliminates )all the other prophecies that match it. which is at least 10.. I have studied them, all my life. And I'm past 70... Every one of them match perfectly ..what you wrote would not let that happen.. Daniel 8 is the cornerstone of all of them.
@@jfarrell2772 but by what you said it would eliminate all the other prophecies that match at Daniel 8 is the cornerstone of them.
@@jimbob1644 Hi Sir, I actually believe all other prophecies match up and none are eliminated. I've also studied the prophecies all my life, and I am over 50, so you're 20 years ahead of me. If you are SDA, the problem is EGW interpretation has gotten in the way. Please show me a prophecy that is eliminated? I can show you from the Bible only, passages that support what I'm saying. Also, some things I said are not dogmatic.
The problem is, if you believe the 2300 days are years, then we cannot come to any same conclusion. I believe what the Bible says, that the 2300 days are evening mornings, meaning literal days, and not years. The Bible teaches this. EGW says they are years. So one has to either believe the Bible or EGW
You seem pretty arrogant- makes me doubt if you are a true follower of Christ!
a bit of history from searching. there are some who say that the decree was given by Cyrus in 538BC. 483 yrs, unto Messiah the Prince doesn't come close to the time of Christ. Darius' decree in Ezra is just a confirmation of the one by Cyrus and it doesn't fit the time line, being that it was sometime around 512BC. (i might not be remembering the exact yr.) i've found several who use the one in Nehimiah which was in 445/444BC. here is how they make it fit. they take the 483 years and multiply it by 360 days then take that number and divide by 365 days to get the years, which come up to 476.3 years. it doesn't fit the time line nor why would God give a time prophecy in which one has to jump thru mathematical hoops, using a calendar year that didn't even exist at the time the prophecy was given for another 400 yrs? it also means that Jesus was born after Herod's death. i found as well that most go by 14AD as the yr. that Tiberius became Caesar. it was the yr. that Augustus died, and they leave it at that. but they didn't look any further. the Roman historian who wrote a book "De vita Caesarum," a history of the rulers from Julius to Domitian, Suetonius, writes that in 12AD Titus, at his return from a successful military excursion was made co-regent, co-emperor with full authority as Augustus. this makes his 15th yr. 27AD. i have found some who say that Christ started his ministry in 30AD and died in 33AD. they know not much of history, going only by Jesus was 30 when he started His ministry at His baptism so it had to be 33AD when he died. they don't realize there was no 0 BC or AD. there have been some who say it was 29AD. for Jesus to 30 in 29AD it would mean he was born in 1BC. that's after the death of Herod the Great. 457BC is the only time that fits the prophecy both with history and the mathematical timeline.
At the end of your presentation, when you talk about "It is finished", there are actually 3 times when Christ says "it is finished", or it is done.
When Christ says "it is finished" on the cross, He meant His blood has been shed. He completed His Father's will and became a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Now the world has access to His blood for the forgiveness and Cleansing of sins.
When He says, "it is done", in Revelation, he meant all His martyrs will die, then He pours out His wrath, the 7 last bowls onto this Earth. Remember in the 5th seal, the martyrs cry out to Him, and Jesus tells them to wait a little longer until the number of those who will die, like they did, was "completed", or "done". Also, remember, the Bible says, God does not appoint us to wrath. So Just before He pours out His Wrath in Full Strength onto this Earth, the number of those people who will die will be "done" or completed.
The THIRD time Jesus says "it is done", which you guys did not talk about, is at the very end, after the 1000 years, when death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire, along with Satan, and every tear will be wiped away. Then God, once again, says "It is done".
So I pray, The Holy Spirit opens the spiritual eyes of you and all your listeners, allowing you to see clearly and interpret Scripture correctly 😊
So I would say if there was an investigative judgment and it was in Daniel that predicted when Jesus was there I think the judgment was done then and there and every year after only thing is Israel is now not forgiven because it always stayed red on the cloth the door is always stayed open for 40 years and the lantern wouldn't stay lit and the lot came up in the left hand for 40 years before the temple was destroyed
read the complete Book of Second Kings. God's Word tells us He left a light on always for the tribe of Judah. for His faithful servant David. who is the Root of David? Jesus! the light was always there.
Doesn't it say that we all will be judged so when we get judged doesn't there have to be an investigation to see if I'm guilty or not . Let's remember there are other worlds in the universe who are looking at us . GOD is far and just .
So you're saying God doesn't know ahead of time on anything is what you're saying he has no clue where you're at right
Who numbered the 70,000 Israelites was it God or was it the devil
You are wrong 40 years the temple wasn't cleaned on the atonement and judgment was given when the Olive tree went dry and the 2300 prophecy you don't understand it means something totally different
So why does the sanctuary in Daniel 8 already be dirty and the guy that is in it Daniel 8:23 that does the transgression of desolation how did that create what you believe what does Daniel 8:13 say if you're only going to use one verse what's the meaning of it!? What got (trampled down ?)and what does the word (both ).mean? Why is there a (host )in Daniel 8:12!. When was the daily sacrifice stopped? Who's practicing in prospering in that sanctuary. Doing the ( transgression of desolation?) That Jesus told you to understand in Matthew 24: 15!
You can't put new wine in old wineskins or it will spoil
Yeah but the judgment for the (saints is not for sin). SDA is going to be judged for sin? because they did not believe in the Jesus of Hebrews 7:13. And say it's finished at the cross! That's doing nothing at the altar. Why did the guy not get the answer how do you get to 1844 in in the fall with 2 300 because that does come from Ellen White! she affirmed that's the truth.! Otherwise you don't exist, to make the video!
EGW said that Jesus came as a perfect example to show us that we could keep perfect obedience to the law. She said that there is no reason for us to fail to keep it perfectly.
"What is sin? John defines it in these words, “Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.” Obedience to the law is the standard held up before us. There is no reason why we should be transgressors."
"There is a higher standard for us to reach than we have yet reached. We must be cleansed from all unrighteousness. Paul says, “I have not ceased to warn you from house to house.” Why did he do this? Because the law was transgressed. He himself, when he saw his true condition, exercised repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Let no one think that while he is living in transgression he will be allowed to enter the gates of the holy city. Those who when Christ comes are in rebellion against God will not be admitted to the courts above. No rebel will enter heaven."
EGW Manuscript Release Vol 5
She also said the devil is doing your atonement and that is your confession of faith
She also said the devil is doing your atonement and that is your confession of faith
She also said the devil is doing your atonement and that is your confession of faith
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv yeah that all sin will be placed on him and he will be cast into the lake of fire. Complete heresy.
@@christianskylarkwhere does it say that in the Bible give me the Bible verse for that? what you just said is the devil is the sda. Jesus Christ!
The Investigative Judgement is not supported by the Bibl.... oh, wait... :D
Preach brothers!
Where in the bible is the msg given to apply year/day across the board for all prophecies?
@@mrwolley1741 Seventy weeks (483+3.5+3.5) prophecy ends exactly when Christ enters Jerusalem on the donkey only if you apply day-year principle. And Seventy Weeks are cut off for Jewish people. Cut off from what? From 2300 days prophecy.
All is clear when you read in context and don't need any external sources like Numbers 14,34 and Ezekiel 4,5-6.
@@Sad-Lemon waiting to see where us says apply a day for a year as it does with the children of Israel wandering in the wilderness.
The word cut off is not there! (it says determined unto the children of Israel ).the last 7 years is( determined to Daniel 12 the children of Daniel his descendants.) You've created your thinking and it didn't come from you. you were told that's what it says.
You do err exceedingly,
Daniel 9:27....is speaking of the new covenant that Jesus Christ our promised Messiah confirms with many, for three and a half years of the seventieth week, (not as the unlearned, who give this covenant to the antichrist) from his anointing~baptism at the age of thirty, to his sacrifice and death, and resurrection when he was thirty three years of age, for the remission of sins.
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. [G1242]
{Hebrews 7:22}
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, [G1242] which was established upon better promises.
{Hebrews 8:6}
For this is the covenant [G1242] that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws* into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
{Hebrews 8:10}
For where a testament [G1242] is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament [G1242] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
{Hebrews 9:16-17}
For this is my blood of the new testament, [G1242] which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
{Matthew 26:28}
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, [G1242] which is shed for many.
{Mark 14:24}
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament [G1242] in my blood, which is shed for you.
{Luke 22:20}
Make your points and don't be silly, it's annoying.
So why when you take the 2,300 days. From Daniel 8 which pertains to the Antichrist at the end of Time the king of Daniel 8:23 when the transgressors have come to the full. Have the transgressors come to the full yet? when he builds that sanctuary what's trying to happen in Israel right now with the red heifers. And has nothing to do with salvation! ..( not about salvation.) It's the transgression of desolation Jesus told you to understand in Matthew 24:15..why. and Are you not using a 360 day year?. As you claim you do in Daniel 7..?
Where was he at when the judgment was set up in Daniel 7? who were the people that were praising him in heaven, before that happens? The judgment in Revelation 20 is for the rewards for those people, it's not about sin! there's no sin judgment. Why would God have to judge somebody to know where they're going to be allowed to go to heaven when he when he's God. And he just returned from heaven. Revelation 19..And stays on the earth for a thousand years!.. you're saying God doesn't know what he's doing!
The old commandment was given to only one nation the Israelites all other nations was to be avoided and some to be destroyed the new commandment is given to all nations and whosoever believes in any nation is accepted by God and this commandment is the gospel in the bigening only God alone rested on the seventh day and he blessed it the commandment he gave to Adam in the garden is thou shall not eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. And go and multiple and fill the earth in the new commandment Jesus says come unto me and I will give you rest don't matter the state you are in Jesus said i will make you clean if you sick i will heal you but the old commandment is is to kill and destroy sinners
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, *every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it and taketh hold of my covenant*
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for *all* people.
{Isaiah 56:6-7}
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments *to a thousand generations*
{Deuteronomy 7:9}
We are under a new ministration and a new Priesthood and intercession of the law of God.
Now of the things which we have spoken this is *the sum* We have such an high priest, (of the order of Melchizedek; chapter 7) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty *in the heavens*
A minister of *the sanctuary* and of the true tabernacle, *which the Lord pitched and not man*
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
(His life; "no greater love"...)
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests [Levitical] that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and *shadow* of *heavenly things* as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make *the tabernacle* for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to *the pattern* shewed to thee in the mount.
*But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry* by how much also *he* is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
*For if that first covenant had been faultless then should no place have been sought for the second*
For *finding fault with them* he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make *a new covenant* with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts* and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
{Hebrews 8:1-10} (Jer 31:31-33)
Jesus knew all the prophets and what they prophesy yet he said John is the end of the law and the prophets. John was perfect according to the law yet Jesus said he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he
How could you say that the Judgment was given to the saints of the most high( that judgment was given unto them.!!!... To do the the judgment.). (To do the judging) (Before) the Judgment, you're speaking of takes place?
That (a different) judgment is during the tousand years. It's a judgment of verification.
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
{Revelation 15:3}
@@larrybedouin2921 the saints don't have a judgement. (Except for rewards ).and that's not you that that's speaking of! Verification of what Larry?
@@jimbob1644
Why do you persist on putting your foot in your mouth continually?
I have already answered you on this point.
What's the 9th commandment jimbob? Do you even know what you're falsely accusing me of?
I think not.
Show me where anytime ever! there were sins ever carried in to the the sanctuary !in the levitical law. show me where that happens !the verse you read did not state that ...it was (because it was (amongst the people) . Because it remained amongst the people .it had nothing to do with anything going into the sanctuary.. Leviticus 16: 16...as it really says.! not because any sins were taken in! If anybody did that they would die !