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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
- Myles of @answeringadventism makes the claim that before Seventh-Day Adventism existed, no one had our understanding of the Mark of The Beast. Are these claims true? What does Dr. O have to say about this?
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During the video I kept on saying Thomas Tillman when his name is actually pronounced TILLAM*. Please excuse my mistake 😊
No comment when u say Ax? (ask) lol.. u did perfect
Deonte, can you give the page numbers for the quotes you used. i have the book downloaded on pdf form and it has smudges in spots and with it being in "olde english" the 2 make it difficult to read. thanks
@@user-kp8yp1hj5t The quotes were taken from page 1, 5 and 7 of the book
Deonte.... when I happened to stumble upon this book some years ago, it literally made me fall on my knees and praise God for TRUTH! I just couldn't fathom that SDA Church have continued to preach this unadulterated message of truth. I read the whole book and was amazed that our entire belief in Daniel and Revelation was not new! The guy even expected something to happen in the 1800's!
God is good.
I love what you gentlemen are doing here and I'm blessed by your honest and 'quirky' response to these haters of truth.
All the way from Namibia.❤
@@foxxneilo The Seventh-Day Sabbath Sought Out And Celebrated
A Book Written By Thomas Tillam
Originally published in 1657, “The Seventh-Day Sabbath Sought Out And Celebrated” has been out of print for more than 350 years. Wilderness Publications has reprinted this important historical work for the benefit of all Christians.
Thomas Tillam was a prominent preacher at Hexham, north of London. His vigorous exhortations, usually based on graphic adaptations of Revelation, brought scores of people to baptism by immersion. By 1655 Tillam had moved to Colchester. About a year later, Tillam began holding services in the parish church on Saturdays. He closed it on Sundays, and urged people to carry on with their business as usual. This brought him into conflict with the authorities, who put him into Colchester Castle Prison.
Whilst he was in prison, Tillam wrote this book in answer to a pamphlet by William Aspinwall, a leading Fifth Monarchist. Of great historical significance is the fact that Tillam was one of the first authors to identify the Mark of the Beast as being its change of the Seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday.
Using graphic and eloquent language throughout this treatise, pointing his readers back at times to the original Hebrew and Greek languages, Thomas Tillam explains that the final great controversy in these very last days will be between the Saints and the Man of Sin over the Seventh-day Sabbath.
For more information visit:
www.wildernesspublications.org
www.tillambook.info
www.amazon.co.uk/Seventh-day.../dp/1907274030
We appreciate all of you, thank you for the humble way you are.
Just Like the Pharisees,, they loved praise from their own.
In what way do those 2 things connect ?
I'm so shocked that people would be upset with these men preaching the truth. Oh wait then I read the Bible and anyone that would preach the truth would be persecuted. So, John the Baptist could have kept his mouth shut, and would have lived. Jesus could have also not preached the truth and could have avoided the cross. And all the apostles could have hidden the truth and none would have been martyred. But God has given the commission to go to the world and preach the truth irrespective of the hatred from the ungodly. Brothers please continue to hold that banner high .
SDA does not have Jesus at the cross.. they've got an 1844 Levite Jesus!
The people that dare speak the truth will always get persecuted by those that want a smooth gospel
@@dasharoberson32 the smooth gospel is Jesus said he paid it at the cross. Present past and future it's a free gift he expects you to believe it that's not what these people do. They said the devil is doing their atonement in the investigative judgment. Nobody has the devil in the atonement in any other Christian belief. And nobody has an investigative judgment. This club is from the Devil Himself don't you understand that!
This happens every time Myles makes some historical claim. Check out our video regarding the Waldenses!
Please put a link to the book. Thank you
Also where did you happen upon his book? Thank you again
There's always an exception and that's all you are using.. you got to try to defend the lie. You teach.. it's not the general statement!. To the proletariats in SDA ..that the I,Q .goes to about 86. As Mr. Ford( one of your previous leaders).. Said, on TV ( himself!). Do you want the clip?
You have to defend the lie with a little sliver of something that generally isn't the case... To continue to keep the proletariats in SDA .. blind.. like Desmond Ford said the IQ of them is about 86. On TV ..himself. do you want the clip?
You obviously didn't listen to Myles's video because he acknowledges that the reformers said the Pope was the beast and the antichrist. His position is that they were wrong. And the Reformers never taught that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. Maybe some of the more radical enthusiasts did, but not the mainstream ones.
@@sisterbecky411Myles clearly states that the Reformers believed that the Pope was the Antichrist. So why did you make this video?
This was 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
I admit, I have read hundreds of articles from many in ancient times, and I have NEVER came across such a beautiful rendition of the Sabbath by Tillman, 200 years before the SDA movement... Wow. Beautiful!!!!
Yeah but they don't have Jesus. Hebrews 7 they've got an 1844 levite Jesus that does not forgive their sins! it's their own confession of Faith !written in the investigative judgment! Saying the devil is doing the atonement Leviticus 1610!
@@JamieElison we have a king and a priest! Hallelujah!!! Praise God almighty. We love you brother. will be praying for you.
Martin Luther said that the pope was the beast in revelation chapter 13 and chapter 17, and he was within the Roman church.
But he DID NOT say Sunday was the Mark!
@@sisterbecky411the Papacy said their Mark is Sunday. Thomas Tillam also said it.
@@thatnicekid04.. Martin Luther did not say that the Mark of the Beast is Sunday worship and that was my point. I said nothing about what Thomas Tillman said ( who is he anyway!?) Furthermore I am not denying that the Papacy claims Sunday is their mark, that was not my point in this comment. I discuss this in another comment.
@@sisterbecky411 okay. The point of this video was to show that SDAs were not the first Protestants to believe that the Bible identifies the Papacy as the Beast. SDAs were also not the first Protestants to know the the Mark of the Papacy was Sunday.
@@thatnicekid04yeah but you're not distinguishing( which image) that the pope represents! if you'd actually understand Daniel 8! what you have destroyed ..it says the first (Beast is a king ) Daniel 8:23..and he receives a( host) Danielle 8:12 the (host) is the (second beast )..the second beast is your( pope) .that is in Revelation 13.. notice he speaks like the dragon that he rides..( in 17) but he appears like a lamb.. just like he does right now... it a religious leader.. that( influences that King.). As it says in Revelation 17.. you're confused about what he actually said.. and no the forefathers never declared that Sunday was the mark of the beast !! Unless it was one Fly by Night lunatic .you don't have it anywhere that it actually matters ..coming from somebody that actually understands prophecy and is a direct descendant of those forefathers!!!! I still have their books... SDA can't interpret one prophecy.
which SDA has never done ..you can't interpret one Prophecy in the Bible. And have it be true...( just pick one)!!! and do it right here, so we can all read it! Then let me show you what you did to it.. that's what you say you're about, so let's do it!
#WYKYK. Study to show thyself approved. ADL may God bless your ministry.
Bless the Advent League
Also remember that the critics claims are "they made it all up and this truth is only taught by SDA" then in the very next argument they claim EGW plagiarized ??????? How did she plagiarize if she made it up? Come on critics, pick a lane.
Great observation!
To prove that you're not telling the truth get the book by Walter T Rea,. The white lie.. watch the TV show in the 80s where Desmond Ford. Shows the I.Q. of the SDA people! Live on TV.
She did both
She did both
She did both
Thank you for all the research you guys doing.
Scientists around the world also say the Earth is millions of years old ..and they also have proof..
No, they don't.
@@JamieElisonNo, they dont.
@@brandonlme4121 I was just making the point. These guys are not telling the truth I know what they believe better than they do themselves
@@JamieElison Well no other denomination has an extensive doctrine on the antichrist beast, mark of the beast, and false prophet as SDA has. Every other denomination is saying the same ole crap about we don't know who the antichrist is but it doesn't matter folks, we'll be raptured outta here before that ever happens.
Will Myles watch this, or will he keep finding something else to criticize only to be proven wrong again?
Prove that you can get to 1844 in the fall with 2,300!
Am very very happy that once again This Important Book IS gaining exposure. This Republished book 2018 can be purchased from Wilderness Publications. God Bless you All
Amen!
I'm not a pastor, but I heard this comment and it made sense. If God does not use symbols for the prophetic books of Daniel and Revelation and just spells out exactly what kingdoms he was talking about it would have brought destruction for the word of God. Also heard that the Romans would ask the Jews if they were the feet of the statue and that the Jews would lie to them and tell them that that was a reference to the Edomites. Which were an enemy of Israel per them being descendants of Esau. This prevented these kingdoms from destroying the canon of scripture.
You heard a lot of stuff ..but it's not Bible.. the Bible interprets itself!! anybody that actually has the Holy Spirit.. knows what is actually going on ..this video is not telling you the truth! If you actually do what Jesus Christ tells you to do in Matthew 24:15... and stay there ,,until,, you (understand )what he means all prophecy will be understood!
for those interested the book by Thomas Tillam that Deonte used is available on line. do search using Thomas Tillam the seventh day sabbath sought out and celebrated pdf. Deonte, can you give those pages numbers for the quotes you used. the pdf i have is rather smudgy in spots and since it's written in "olde English" is difficult to read.
This book was reprinted in modern English in 2018 and is available from Wilderness Publications, London. You will find it on a Google search.
Thank you for this info! Blessings!
For future reference:
Don’t put dark text on a dark background, it’s too hard to read… use yellow instead of red.
Well done guys.
"Therfore to compel alle cristen men for to beliue stedefastly ech determinacioun of the church of Rome, and this vnder paine of temporal deeth, eyther euerlasting, is a blinde and open presumption of Lucifer and antichrist."
[Modern English: 'Therefore to compel all Christian men for to believe steadfastly each determination of the Church of Rome, and this under pain of temporal death, either everlasting, is a blind and open presumption of Lucifer and Antichrist']
―REMONSTRANCE AGAINST ROMISH CORRUPTIONS IN THE CHURCH
ADDRESSED TO THE PEOPLE AND PARLIAMENT OF ENGLAND
IN 1395
Amen! Let's continue to carry on the torch of truth.
That's worth way more than two cents, my friend! Thank you so much!
The word "anti" in antichrist does not mean someone who is going to be openly anti (against) Christ. That word "anti" in the original Bible language can actually mean "IN PLACE OF". So could the bible antichrist be someone who has actually put himself "in place of" Christ? Well, we have further Bible evidence to support this. In 1 John 2:18-19 it says that there were "many antichrists", who "WENT OUT FROM THE CHURCH". In other words, John is pointing to the fact that those "antichrists" were WITHIN THE CHURCH!! Not only that, but Paul in 2 Thess. 2:3-4 calls the man of sin the "son of perdition". Now there is only one other place in the Bible where the name "son of perdition" is used, and that is in John 17:12 talking about JUDAS! And what was Judas? A professing follower of Christ Jesus. Someone who deceived from WITHIN the "church".
"The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who TAKES THE PLACE of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." (John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994).
"ANTI" - Christ = "IN PLACE OF" Christ!
It’s unfortunate that SDA members center every thing they believe upon the Sabbath and not the gospel of Jesus Christ
In Daniel 7.24,25, I can count ten distinct characteristics that, when combined, can ONLY be fulfilled by the Roman Catholic beast power. No other power in history even comes close.
So why does Daniel 8 say it's a king ( Daniel 8: 23.) And Daniel 11:21? Who's the host of Daniel 8:12? The 7th King that rules for a short space Revelation 17:11. And gets incarnated by the 8th.. the 8th ( the Devil Himself..) Daniel 8:10. Revelation 12:4.. (the first two) in Revelation 13!
@@JamieElison Because the pope IS a king of the earth! He sits not only as "God " on his Vatican throne, but ALSO is literal secular king of the smallest yet most powerful nation on earth, the 100-acre Holy See. Ambassadors from nearly 200 nations come to bow before "his holiness" the pope of Rome.
He is "of the seven" because he already ruled as the 7th until he got the deadly wound in 1798, when Napoleon took him out. Yet the deadly wound began healing in in 1929, when Musdolini signed the Lateran treaty, restoring full sovereignty to the pope.
So the 7th also is the 8th ruler of the great world empires.
Count them:
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon (beginning of Daniel 2 sequence)
Medo-Persia
Greece
Rome (pagan)
Rome ( papal, "holy" Roman empire)
And then,
Papal Rome once again before Christ returns . That's why the 8th is of the 7. Even Luther knew papal Rome was the BEAST, and so did all of Protestants at one time, until the Jesuits of the beast cooked up dispensationalism to counter this truth.
The papacy was the 7th power, the beast, and it was, and is not, and yet IS, because recovered from its wound and is becoming the 8th even as we speak. The whole world is wondering after Francis right now. Today, the governors of CA and NY are fornicating with him in Rome, seeking his "moral authority " on how to help the climate by mandating a Sunday lockdown on all businesses.
The beast , the 8th, is now ready to implement his MARK of authority, Sunday law enforcement. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Www.truthtriumphantministries.org Www.sabbathtruth.com
@@jeanclaude7018 so tell me who are the( five that are falling?) (and the one is)?. Who is the( host) of Daniel 8: 12!.. Revelation 17:11. Says does not recognize the 8th (as a King.) He said there's seven Kings. An the 8th was (there from the beginning of time. Of all of them)!.. so how is he there for the beginning of time for all of them? Notice it says he (is of the seven)..( not of the seventh)!
How long is the (short space that he rules )the Bible tells you! You've got it this guy ruling for a really long time!
@@jeanclaude7018 where in the Bible does it say.( that he received the deadly wound in 1798). how do you get there?
The reformers were also against keeping the Sabbath.
Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)
“nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny.” (Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197)
There is so much Gravitas in what this video talks about
Beat the Sunday monsters
What does Hebrews 4 say ?what does Romans 14 say?
Happy Sunday ❤
Jamie is that you ?
Have a blessed Lord's Day today.
Mary you are preaching to the choir. Isaiah 8:20 if they speak not according to this word ( canon) it is because there is no light in them. Mine was a personal comment of something I heard. I'm very aware the Devil does not allow the gospel to spread unimpeded. Jesus demands worship and Satan also has a church and demands worship. God has a Bible and Satan has a bible. Christians have the cross and Satan has the upside down cross. Jesus is crucified with the cross which belonged to Barrabás. Between two followers of the criminal Barrabás. The sinless Jesus crucified with two sinners. God has Saturday Sabbath, and Satan put two thieves next to the Sabbath which are Friday and Sunday. And then the SDA remnant church is coming into the picture around the middle and end of the 1800s and Satan also raised other churches around the same time. Because it is Satan's plan to never allow the truth to proceed unimpeded. John 14:15;1john 2:4; Matt 5:17. Only Saturday is truth. Any other day is an usurper.
The guy is erasing the comments from somebody that's printing them to you A friend of mine supposed to be here why is it not here ask the uploader?
Guy is not in his right mind @@JamieElison
@@JamieElison
You’re always blaming the “uploader” for erasing your comments, Jamie/Mary/Jimbob…
RUclips erases comments all the time, nothing to do with the uploader… ❤
@@lavieenrose5954 but you don't know who you're speaking to. I can watch these comments on multiple computers ( at one time )I know what he is doing!
The mother of harlots is Jerusalem if you read your bibles ..you will concentrate on the catholic church just to support your own preferences..
Where in the bible does it say the beast is the romam papacy? Just where?
Study what Protestants have written about the Beast. They came to the same conclusion using the Bible.
@@slavesetfree5783you're the only one that's telling the truth. But that's not what the video says. the video says it's the first beast . They think the king of Daniel 8:23... Doesn't exist ,and it is the Pope!..and the second beast according to them is (America.).. That's how crazy these people are! The reason is...they destroyed the cornerstone of Prophecy) (to create who they are)) from Daniel 8..( understand what created SDA!)
@@thatnicekid04why didn't you just study the Bible ?you would have got the right answer! instead of the forefathers.. the Jews had forefathers also. They still don't know who Jesus is ( in the biggest percentage) just like you!. God said he partially blinded them and then you made yourself them. In 34 a.d. and now you're in the same shoes! The curse of Galatians 1 to the gentiles that do not follow Jesus of the Bible!
Read Revelations. It gives a description that only fits with the papacy. It even gives that it is located on 7 hills
Rome is called 7 hills if you google. There is a lot of references in Revelations and if you look at history it connects
@@citanicholas6813 that's the second beast the (host )of Daniel 8 12.. has all the power as the first. the first is the king of Daniel 8;23
Do you guys understand now how Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Nehemiah, Lord Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Paul, Peter etc must have felt when sent to the so-called God's people? The persistent rebellion continues even now. Lamentation. Mourning. Sighing and crying for the adulterous people, the people who are playing harlot, the backsliding believers, the unfaithful generation, the apostate Christianity. Fallen, fallen, falling away, departed from truth.
You mean like SDA
@@JamieElison The Bible recorded patterns how those who departed from the truth persistently despite the warnings to repent, they didnt even realize how far they had fallen. Beware lest you too follow that pattern.
@@rollinghillsslojust as soon as you show me how the cornerstone of what you're standing on. Is the truth. That the 2300 days represent what you say they do.! And that you can get from 457 BC in the spring of the year to the fall of 1844 with that number. The math will not let you do it... but show it to me so that we can all see it!. That is what created you. and that is what you're standing on!
@@JamieElison You have been around for a long time commenting in many Adventist channels. Did you ever actually listen?
@@rollinghillsslo you're deflecting show the math equation ( until you do! you have absolutely no credibility!)
What difference does it make what the forefathers believe prophecy represents it matters what you say it represents so show it to me in Daniel 7 be sure and use the Bible
Mary, you missed the point of the video. ADL keeps proving that Myles is teaching falsehood. He is wrong again. But being wrong is ok if you acknowledge it and repent of it. But if you dig your heels, that says a lot about the man.
No they have never proven anything except dig up stuff that (seems to support ). What they teach. that they're actually teaching is not in the Bible..!. They've got an 1844 Levite Jesus that does not forgive!. There's the big issue!@@dok9024
@@dok9024so why don't you repent for saying the devil is the second goat of Leviticus in 1610... And that you can get to the fall of 1844 with 2300 that's what created your first lie.
@@JamieElison
So James, if Jesus is carrying the burden of your sins since the cross, till when does he cary the sin?
@@dok9024 he doesn't carry the sins since the cross .. He carried them (at the cross.)!!!. and He blotted them out !on the same day!!