Porsche Cayenne 958 92A Transfer Case FIX, Fluid Service DIY Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2020
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Here is Part 2 to my first Video about the Transfer Case. I got a lot of requests for this video. I show how to change the fluid and we inspect the fluid that came out with 11k miles on it. Enjoy the Video! Like and Subscribe! 
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For safety reason, I always remove the fill plug first to make sure that I can refill.
Brilliant tip which I followed today, thanks.
Makes sense also it would definitely faster and more complete
I’m in my third transfer oil change, but the first two already did solve the problem. You have no idea how thankful I am to you for putting up this video. I was about to sell my car after getting a quote from Amco on a used transmission. So glad I didn’t, the car is as smooth as it it was when new.
Thank you so so much again.
Glad i could help. Thanks for watching
Did you change front or rear diff fluid? Which one helped, how many times did you change it?
My 2013 Cayenne S that just turned 100K miles was slightly jerking normally in lower gears and after watching this video and changing the TC fluid, it runs perfect, NO jerking at all. Thanks for the video!
Great I’m glad it helped. Thanks for watching
@@KevinsEuropeanGarageApart from Ravenol oil which one can I use as an alternative?
Followed your video today, fluid changed with no dramas, thanks for posting Kevin.
This gave me so much more confidence in trying to change the trans fluid myself. Thanks Kevin, this video will save me so much money. 👍
Had the “sound”. Rotated tires, checked carrier bearing, watched this and another video. Ordered fluid on eBay for $32/qt. Changed the tcase fluid and the noise is 100% gone. Thank you very much.
Great thanks for watching!
Can you elaborate on the sound/feels please. Very new owner, be handy to know what to look out for
New owner of a 2013 Porsche Cayenne GTS, loving your videos, subscribed
Kevin great video on the Xfer case fluid change in the Cayenne!!!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Very well explained and concise!!
I had the exact same experience when we bought a 2012 6MT 92A Cayenne 3 years back with 100k miles on it. I changed the fluid 3 times immediately, and now I swap it out with every oil change. Been symptom free ever since, and am now at over 150k miles. There is a lengthy set of threads on 6speedonline and rennlist of people resurrecting their TC with a fluid swap.
Interestingly enough, I heard that PCNA announced just last week an extended warranty on the transfer case for certain models.
A manual transmission Cayenne has to be fun to drive! It too bad they just did make the fluid change a 30k service. We I have my first issues with the transfer case over 2 years ago there wasn’t a lot of info. Now there is definitely more out there about this. I’ll have to check into that extended warranty, first time I’m hearing about it. Thanks for watching, please consider subscribing.
Thanks!! Great Vid!!
Very nice video. Excellent instructions
Thanks for watching
Thanks ! All symptoms gone after one change. 2013 S Cayenne 4.8. Used Mobil brand .
Thanks for this video. It helped me change my transfer case fluid by myself and it was a piece of cake. I used one of those manual fluid pumps similar to liquid soap pumps and it worked like a charm. I bought Porsche transfer fluid as it was almost the same price.
Thanks for the video. I'm looking to do this on my Cayenne Diesel and was wondering how.
I have a 2014 GTS, I’ll be doing mine this weekend. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for Watching!
You're a genius!
I'm happy I was able to help!
Thanks for you reply yes I seeking after change one day
How long do you wait between oil changes?
Great video, I was one of the luck ones that the dealer replaced mine last week with the 10 year extension.
Be careful with the drain plugs can crack the case I go by hand with a short 8MM allen.
i did replace my fluid every 10,000 miles before the replacement.
2011 CTT 185,000
I’m still waiting for my letter. I started to change it every other oil change. Yes many people crack the case. If you have a torque wrench you it.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage call the dealer have them run the VIN, save the old fluid if you can.
I received my letter 6 weeks before the expiration.
Thanks, this is really helpful 👍
Thanks for watching
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage I also wanted to ask have you done a transmission fluid change? I would like to learn how to do it on this car
I haven’t done that yet and I will definitely be doing a video when I do. Should be In February.
Nice man thanks
Thanks for watching
Great video! Idea- when it's done draining, would it make sense to add .1 or .2 litres while the drain plug is out to help flush out the excess old fluid that is still sitting in the transfer case? (vs driving 100 miles and redoing the whole thing).
Major shop estimate to fix my intermittent stuttering under acceleration: $5800 CAD
After this video: $100 CAD
Thank you so much, subbed
I’m glad I can help. Thanks for watching and the sub
Great video! Did this a few months back to my '13 Cayenne S, and this was perfectly documented. Do you plan on doing a video for a drain and fill on the transmission fluid? Lots of info out there, but no videos on a simple drain and fill.
Thanks for watching! I will eventually will but it’s not quite just a drain and fill the correct transmission temp has to be achieved in order to get the correct fluid level. I do plan on doing it. In the couple months.
Just completed transmission flush, temperature monitoring is not an issue, in order to achieve a complete flush you got to connect your pump to cooler line otherwise you will only drain about 5 L and replacement 5 L will get contaminated with the rest of old fluid. Even if you do that 5 times you would still have old fluid circulating.
Awesome
Very helpful good 😌
Thanks for watching
In getting some whining noises as well right from the center of the dash kinda just wondering if you have a video of what your sounded like ?
What exact model transfer case you have? There are 2 type cases in 958.
One is with hang on- locking function and for diesel usually torsen.
Hi Kevin,
Great easy to follow video. What was the exact product you use for the transfer fluid change? I’m going to do my soon.
I’m using Ravenol fluid TF-0870 or DTF-1 it’s the same fluid they just renamed it DTF-1. I picked it up through Blauparts.com and you can get it from amazon too. Thanks for watching!
Hello ! I’ve just changed the transfer case fluid for the first time , I have no sound but I feel heavy direction on sharp turns and sometimes a small “bump” on the wheels. After the first change the heavyness is almost gone but I still have the “bumps” , less than before anyways. The bumps would be gone after the third change too? Thank you
Do you change the oil every 30k miles? Do you recommend changing it every 10k miles to make sure it doesn't fail?
Did you drive between changing the oil if so how many miles roughly ? Or did you just drain out the old stuff, put new stuff in then drain it out again straight away? Cheers
I'm coming for a comment again, Thanks again, I follow your video, I changed the transfer fluid yesterday, I am in Canada, Not easy to buy the TF0870 in a period of covid 19(this product no shipping from the US to Canada), I bought OEM fluid, 1 bottle 850ml, But not enough（no bleeding for adding 1 bottle）, I went to get one more...If anybody wants to use same fluid, get 2 bottles may better and need to use a pump adding the fluid(no spout on OEM bottle)...
Thanks for sharing
How do I know if I should be doing a front or rear diff fluid change. I have the classic jerk at low speed.
@Kevin i took my car 2013 cayenne to the porsche dealer yesterday, and they replaced transfer box for free. they said it is covered by extended warranty.
👍👍👍👍👍
Also they maybe using a soft clutch the shift smooth but wear faster 70.000 to 100.000 miles
What brand/model digital torque wrench are you using?
thank you your video i still learn how to take care my 2012 porsche cayenne 6cyl: engine i love this car is it manly to drive
Thanks for watching
Hey Kevin, your videos are great and very thorough.. I bought a 2011 Cayenne S in July, runs great ..although there is a slight grinding/winding noise when turning/accelerating.., not sure if it's the transfer case or front differential, I'll change fluid in both. Also the transfer case looks very clean/bright as if it been replaced, the vehicle has been well maintained , is it likley the case was replaced already?how would I know ?
Thanks, Mike
If the color of the case is different than the transmission it probably was changed already. You could ask to dealer to check the history see if they have a record of it. I think you are out of warranty now. Changing the fluid in my transfer case quieted it down taking turns along with the diff fluid. I would change them all and see what its like after
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage the transfer case color is similar to transmission, it's hard to tell the difference..Also , you mention .7 liters, and also to fill up to filler port..until it runs out' my Cayenne S took nearly the whole qt. Before it started to overflow?
One day thanks
Hi, what is the specification of the oil?
Kevin, good stuff! I heard from one shop that “special machine” was needed to change the transfer case. In fact, when I took it to the shop they got really skittish and didn’t want to touch the thing! That’s when I took it to a Euro shop and they knew what to do...but they also referred to some machine. Your video makes this look straight forward....no machine. What’s the deal?
I don’t know why they are referring to some machine. This is how you change the fluid per the factory manual. To replace the actual transfer case and the solenoid on it, you need a factory computer to do that. I’ve heard people replacing the transfer case and swapping the new solenoid for their old one and that worked fine for them. I have not tried that myself as mine hasn’t failed. Sorry I’m not better help but this the way per the manual for a fluid change.
Hi Kevin- I just picked up a 2013 Cayenne base. Thanks for the video. At some point in the near future when I have my own garage again I’ll do some of my own maintenance. My. Cayenne has 66k what do you think the OEM spec lubricant is OK? Do you think it would be good to do that service for preventative maintenance if the car is running great? May be a rhetorical question.
Hi Ron thanks for watching. There is a recall or extended warranty on that transfer case from what I understand. This is pretty recent. I would look into that before you do anything. I plan on heading to the dealer soon to get info on it. Getting back to the fluid. The oem is fine, its more expensive than the Ravenol I’ve had good luck with it so I continue to use it.
Very Helpful!great video!Does anyone have any workshop manual or maintenance manual for Porsche Cayenne 2013 diesel 3.0, thank you in advance ...
Thanks for watching i use alldata.com look them see if they have something for you.
What the suitable oil differential for my car porsche cayenne turbo 2009 thank u for Explaining & Video
Thanks for watching. Any quality 75w-90 should do. I’ve had luck with motul, ravenol, liquimoly, Mobil 1.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage thank you Again
Basically when you buy one new change fluids immediately it's a warranty thing
That definitely wouldn't hurt.
Great video Kevin! My 13 Cayenne GTS just started to encounter the slight bucking / jerking upon acceleration out of 2nd and 3rd gear. I haven't changed the TC fluid yet but would it be worth going to the dealer to get this resolved under the recall before flushing the TC?
I would go straight to the dealer if you’re having issues. Don’t flush it. They need to see what is happening. Now that there is a warranty and they acknowledge there is an issue. That be my first stop. Thanks for watching and good luck!
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage Thanks for getting back to me Kevin. I've got a service appointment scheduled w/my local dealer and will follow up with the outcome.
Sounds good let us know what happens
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage Just got back from the dealer and it took them 5 minutes to determine that the transfer case is bad. Everything is covered by Porsche. Once the new TC arrives in 2-3 weeks they’ll call me to schedule the replacement. I’m pretty excited. Thanks again.
Great! Glad to hear they are changing it for you.
Hey Kevin I also own a 2013 base. Quick question, are you aware of any issues with the cases cracking. Mine developed a hairline crack at the drain plug after changing. Did my mechanic screw the pooch?
Usually when something like that happens it is from over tightening unfortunately.
Hello I would like to know, is the viscosity of the brown bottle 75w90?
Thanks for watching, according to their site it is a transmission type fluid with additives that make it for use in the transfer case. Definitely not as thick as a 75w-90. It doesn’t list the viscosity on the website.
Did anyone experience a whirling noise?
Thx for sharing , so every 20,000km we have to replace the transfer fluid ?
I would change it at least every 50,000km or more depending on how much citing driving you do. Where you turn more and make the clutch pack work harder. Check out my response to your other post for more info. Thanks for watching!
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage THX ALOT
Hi Kevin when I change engine oil one day I see oil still like black is normal? Thanks
Are you seeing black oil right after you change it ? Or are you saying the oil is always back when you drain it? How long do you wait between oil changes
Hello Kevin,
I recently purchased a 2014 Porsche cayenne gts and I took it to the mechanic to have a major service on it. The mechanic said the car is fine and there is nothing wrong with it, especially regarding the transfer case. He said that the transfer case is working great. However, my transfer case has never been drain and refilled.
I have been noticing weirds things happening in my car. Can you let me know if these issues are related to the transfer case?
(in sport mode)
-(manual Mode) While going 30/40mph, 1st and 2nd gear don't seem to add any power to the car and I would need to go to 3rd gear to accelerate the car. Is this normal?
-(automatic mode) The gear change is really quick. 1st and 2nd gear change at 2000 rpm and I can not get to higher rpm unless I am in 7th or 8th gear.
Hi Bao congrats on your recent purchase. I would have the fluid changed in the transfer case. Its like buying an insurance policy. Especially cause it hasn't been serviced to your knowledge.
I don't think what you describing is a transfer case issue usually when they are acting up they will have a skip and a slight jerking motion on acceleration and light throttle cruising.
In automatic mode mine does shift quick usually around 2.5k rpm under normal driving and even under slight acceleration. These gears are short.
I don' think if you're driving 30 to 40mph the computer would let you downshift to 1st. Second maybe. I have the V6 so I don't usually push it that hard above 4k. I'm usually in auto mode. I sit in a lot of traffic. I only see 1st and 2nd gears from a stop and through acceleration. After I get to third I'm usually there and higher most of the time. Just driving around you won't use 1st and 2nd usually. It doesn't sound like your transmission is acting abnormally but I would need to drive it to compare it to mine to be sure. These are pretty reliable transmission not many issues at all with them. I only found one tsb that is about a reprogram or possible ecu replacement released in 2013 but it doesn't list any symptoms. Good luck with your Cayenne I hope you enjoy driving it like I do mine.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage You're awesome! Thank you!
You’re welcome!
I got a new case done 10k miles ago. Do I still need to change oil or they fixed the design issue ? Porsche told me i am good but I dont trust
It wouldn't hurt to keep changing it in every oil change
Fyi, Porsche just extended the warranty on transfer case for all Cayennes 2011-2018, for 10 yrs unlimited miles. They even reimburse you if youve repaired it out of pocket. Call the dealer they’ll schedule you for replacement.
Thanks for letting all of us know about this. I'm going to be looking into this for sure.
This only applies if Porsche dealers saw problems with transfer case. If you’ve had no problems, they won’t just replace it for free.
Hi Kevin, I just bought a 2011 Turbo and want to flush the fluid. Do you take the car out for a drive between flushes?
Yes I did I drove it a for while between flushes to make sure the new fluid made it’s way around the transfer case. It needs to get in the clutches to clear out the debris. Thanks for watching.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage thanks for posting! Had watched your videos prior to purchasing to make sure I was going in eyes wide open
Thanks for watching glad I was able to help .
Hi Kevin. On the symptoms, did you have knocks on slow acceleration in 1st and 2nd gear? Almost like someone is knocking the floor pan every couple of meters.
There was no knocking, I would say more like a shake, much more subtle than a knock. You get a shutter like a miss fire but no codes or check engine light. it feels like the motor skipped for a sec. We could be talking about the same thing we just have a different way of describing it. If you have never serviced the transfer case I suggest having it done. It is very hard to diagnose these problems without the car. A knocking sounds could be many things and could be unsafe to drive if something feels like it is hitting the floor pan. You should have the vehicle inspected. Good Luck!
Kevin’s European Garage thanks. I think I know what you mean. It’s especially noticeable when turning. It’s coming from the rear and similar to a car with a locked differential?
In addition to this, I am also experiencing a knock from the front area which I initially thought to be a worn suspension mount. Your video kinda made me wonder if it’s the oil but what you have described is somewhat different. Have you ever replaced the suspension mounts?
I have replaced the front struts and tops and the sway bar bushings. Both of which have videos. I will be replacing the front upper control arms. There are different ways to diagnose suspension each component. I’ll have to do a video to show the various ways to diag suspension parts. It sounds like you have multiple things going on right now
@@BL-zs3pc The knocking sounds like it could be the drive shaft bearing support. Common for them to wear out as it's just a rubber bushing to take the vibration out of the drive shaft while it spins. When it goes, the shaft will bounce around and hit the under carriage when you accelerate. Theres a few options to fix and some pretty cheap and easy methods found on youtube. Once you remove the cover plate and look at it you will know if it's gone.
Yes that was an big issue on the earlier Cayenne’s. I haven’t heard about anyone having that issue for the 958 but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Good idea to check that.
Hey Kevin I currently own a 958 wondering is it possible for you to change the transfer case liquid on my 958 or point me out to a good shop here in Mass
Sorry I will only work on my own vehicles. Where is MA are you? There a few places around Boston that could do it I bet for a reasonable price.
I know a good place on Emory st in attleboro ask for saiyeed
Just Got a 2011 Cayenne, is the procedure and fluid the same for the 2011 ?
Yes the procedure is exactly the same. Thanks for watching
Will this method work for a Macan?
I think the Macan transfer case is very similar if not the same. I know it uses the same fluid as the cayenne according to the ravenol website. If you are having similar issues which I have heard they do. This might work for you. Most people see an improvement front just one service. Trying it once might be enough to tell you if it’s working. If you try it lets us know I’m really curious. Good luck!
Did you beed to do the same for the transmission fluid?
Thanks for watching. I am planning on doing a video for the transmission fluid in the near future. I’m saving it for the winter.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage Hi Kevin. Do you have a video for the tranny fluid yet?
Me owner here. How often should I do this service? I'm at 71k miles right now on an 08.b
Well if your is an 08 you are way out of that extended warranty. I would change it if least every other oil change so that could be around every 10k miles. To be safe. If you when you change it the second time and the colors looks good and there doesn’t look to be a lot of debris you could skip to 15k. But if it’s really dark and there debris in there when you change it. I would change it drive around for a couple hundred miles and do it again.
Hello i live in germany and have a Problem With my Cayenne it Shifts jerky and i can Drive normal only in manual Mode
Thanks for watching from Germany. The transmissions in these cars are really good not many problems. The transfer case can cause these issues. Have you tried changing the fluid. Here is the states Porsche has extended the warranty on these. I’m not sure if they have done that else where. If there is a warranty have them check it out. If not I would change the transfer case fluid. Has that been done? How many km’s on the car?
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage the car has 159.000 km‘s and i haven‘t Changed the fluid and i think it has no warranty so the Best i Can do in this Situation is to change the fluid and when its still Not better Should i change it more times?
If this is the problem you will notice a difference in just one fluid change. It most likely won’t be 100% after one change but you will know you are heading in the right direction.
Is that the transmission fluid? transfer case I never heard that terminology before in a car.
It's definitely not transmission fluid. Because this car is all wheel drive it has a unit that hangs off the end of the transmission that distributes the power between the front and rear axles. Not all AWD cars have transfer cases though. Subaru's, Audi's, Porsche 911's come to mind. It depends on the layout of the drivetrain.
Are Ravenol transfer case oil and rear-front differential oil different than the Original Porsche branded oils regarding quality and reliability? The porsche branded oils are very expensive and I’m undecided.
Yes the Porsche fluids are expensive. I used the Ravenol fluids because I’ve had good luck with it in the transfer case. It meets all the same specs as the Porsche fluid. I also like Motul fluids and use those in my 911.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage thank you for your reply :) I would like to ask about Febi fluids for transfer case and differential oil. In my country I’m not able to reach Ravenol fluids however I found some alternatives in Febi brand. So Is Febi (32590) 75w-90 GL-5 gear oil suitable for 3.2 V6 cayenne base differential oil replacement. My car is from 2006 and triptronic transmision. Thank you again.
From what I see on their web site is that their fluid meets the requirements for Porsche and list the part numbers it is comparable with. They are a reputable company I haven’t used febi so I have no first hand experience but I think you should be fine based on what I read.
The clutch is burning up it's a viscosity problem switch brands and do your research and change every 10.000 miles till clear looking 0r yellowish looking
What would you recommend? Fluid wise?
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One comment - “lifetime fluids” ! What joke - I change all mine on every car every year. No such thing as lifetime fluids!
Why Ravenol instead of Liqui-Moly?
No particular reason i had read that someone had good luck with Ravenol. I figured why not try and it solved my issues. I’ve kept on using it since. If Liqui-Moly has the same specs, it should work just the same. The main thing is to get the old contaminated fluid out if there.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage Right on yeah I'm a new 958.1 turbo owner and I put LiquiMoly 75w90 in my transfer case a week ago. I wasn't thinking clearly as I realize now it needs "transfer case fluid" aka ATF, or fluid more like ATF than gear oil. *slaps forehead hard*. I just ran to the garage and swapped that 75w90 with some AMSOIL ATF I had brand new bottles of while I wait a few days for the RAVENOL fluid to show up. I figure the ATF in the transfer case has to be better than gear oil at least to hold me over for a few days. I am an idiot and hope the 75w90 in there for the past week or so didn't royally ruin anything in the long term. There weren't any sounds or issues with driving on the 75w90 but I prefer the correct fluid in the right places! lol
But why are you changing it every 11k please inform me I am buying a 2012 turbo
These transfer cases have issue. Like grinding and bucking because the clutch discs get worn and contaminate the fluid. I was changing every 10k or so to make sure the fluid is always clean. Since I have done that I haven’t had issues. There is a warranty for them now call a Porsche Porsche with the vin for details and what coverage is left on that vehicle, should apply to all vehicles in the US.
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage thanks Kevin ,
I have came across a turbo 2012 with exactly 16000miles but out of warranty
it’s pretty expensive where I life cause tariffs are high it’ll cost around 80k US dollars imagine !
And I have also heard about the variocam bolt and the air suspension bellows annnddd the beige Interior I don’t know how true is that !!
Thanks for the help again good man
How durable are there would it last me another 10 years !
With only 16k miles I think you’ll do ok. Yeah those bolts I would get that done right away unless you have proof they were done. The air suspension leaks but almost every car will leak at some point. I never looked into what happens with those because I have the regular coil suspension. The transfer case, flush that fluid and change it every other oil change after and that should help make it last.. I’m curious where are watching from?
@@KevinsEuropeanGarage hello thanks again I am watching from amman jordan I do appreciate it
How would I know if it’s the upgraded bolts is there a nee serial number.
You know what’s the problem Kevin for some reason all Porsche dealerships are in a hush mood when I called the dealership the denied that issue or they didn’t even know about it.
In the US for example that only way they were forced is by a huge law suit.
I guess that’s a price you pay for this beautiful machine
They are pretty awesome cars and it sounds like you found a nice example. Unfortunately the only way you will know if if you have some paperwork or remove the valve cover. It’s too bad you don’t have really good dealer support. I would start looking for an independent shop. Jordan has shown up yet in my list of where people watch my videos from. Must be cool to be in a city among ancient ruins
I wanted to buy this cayenne so bad , but that transfer case it what holding me off. This is a like having a beautiful wife but can not touch her to avoid transform her to an old 105 years old.
Porsche extrended the warranty on them so you get to still touch that hot wife!