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Why do you think that?

@@gamedaytoday1 Because the games FPS can be severely affected by a slow populated server. If I am on a server by myself I am getting insane FPS but if I am on a server with 100 people many areas like planets are laggy and low FPS. It is incredibly hard to do this type of test in SC because of the huge variation in experience due to the servers themselves not being optimized and so severely affected by traffic and server bugs.

@@realWorsin do you know why a populated server impacts your clients (PC) performance? If you answer the question correctly, then you would know why this test is comparable. You can definitely add a 5% margin of error, to this results. But you’re not saying that so… Two things can be true at the same time. In this case a truth is a tuned pc drastically improves the FPS in star citizen whether the server is populated or not.

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​@@gamedaytoday1you got me there, cant lie 🫢😊

I returned the 7900xtx could not afford to keep both.

When you run 4K with DLSS at quality it’s the same gap. The gap is less at 4K native but the 1% lows are still bad in 4K native if you don’t tune. I will make a video on that once the new CPUs are out. I made a 4K video comparison in my previous videos check em out

@@gamedaytoday1 thanks for reply! Oh yeah so it was on this other video, wasn't sure if it was you or tenpound who did it haha. Well I can't wait to see how it's going with the new CPUs coming out! Really looking forward your expertise on this!

​@@gamedaytoday1hi there, how much vram/memory is used on rtx 4090 on 4k ? With max settings ? Is the memory on the rtx 4090 a problem or bottleneck ? For 4k gaming ?

Yes if your RAM is tuned it is great!

Wait for zen5,

@@gamedaytoday1 thank you sir.

@@gamedaytoday1 Do you think the ram potential for oc will be higher than zen4?

@@philipm5043 yes overall I think zen5 will have a slightly better infinity fabric, if so then RAM would OC higher than zen4

Yes you can, but you would either need to underclock it to 6200/6400/6600 or overclock it to 8000mhz for best performance

You would need to overclock the memory and CPU. I made a video about it here: Star Citizen 5800X vs 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Unlocking Maximum FPS! ruclips.net/video/vYaCB8Zi9vU/видео.html

That's roberts space industries for ya

That's the point of these CPU comparisons with tuned memory which helps performance given that SC is heavily CPU bottlenecked. At 4K with max settings the GPU comes more into play. Consider also that these are the most performant impacting scenarios, test runs the cities. Once away from cities GPU and/ or DLSS/TSR etc. the GPU can run max. FPS with maxed settings really looking good now, even still in Alpha. Once they enable multithreading support to Vulkan and continue developing it for the game, it will make a big difference also. But most modern MMOs tend to be CPU intensive.

Yes I have done a video on this in the patch, the video still holds true except that enabling e-cores now doesn’t impact your performance. So you can have e-cores on without getting stutters but it will not improve your performance.

@@gamedaytoday1 i see no shutters with e cores on now, but i have less performance with e-cores on :( 13900k 4090 here

Weak argument

But that has always been the case for the highend. You pay 100% more and need 100% more power for the tiniest but of extra performance.

Actually all of internet now says the X3d is faster in everything, so theres nice to see some actual test showing objective data.

@@impuls60 Intel 13th and 14th gen are burning out even at stock power settings. It's not really possible to be objective when one side blatantly cheats by lying about how much power their chips can take, and then blames motherboard vendors when their chips begin losing stability or dying.

@@impuls60 Ryzen X3D CPUs are faster in everything in default non OC and even settings aka if the RAM speed and power usage were the same Note how the video didn't post the power usage of the 13900k and only 7800X3D I know from experience 13900k easily uses double the power of 7800X3D

Dont talk about stuff u dont know

13900 KS here... Since day one, no power limit... Cinebench 300W easily, the only thing that has been done to it is paired it with high end mobbo and slightly undervolt it... Still works like a brand new, no hiccups, issues...just plug and play . To the guy that says 7800x3d is faster in everything.. more than welcome to test that theory - in blenders and work loads .. ;) it will dance laps around amd . Btw not an Intel fan, actually considering swapping this for amd build as lately I haven't been using it for anything besides gaming.

With Zen 4 chips you get no benefit from higher RAM speeds. Higher speeds can actually hurt performance because the memory clock has to run in gear 2 which is slower.

good luck booting like that

@@brianrobinson3961 Wrong, 7950x3d gains benefits from running 8000 MT/s over 6000, 6200 or 6400. Due dual CCD and it can run speeds above 100k because higher clock on ram and bandwidth gain, meanwhile 7800x3d is "walled" at around 70k 72k max probably which means 7800x3d in my opinion should be focused on 6200, 6400 or 6600 depending how good your bin is.

not just untuned - the default settings of most motherboards are insanely bad auto-overclocks that just destroy your CPU without any performance benefits.

It’s a cpu benchmark, how do you think you should test the performance of a CPU?

Then it isn't a CPU test, the point of running at low resolution is for the GPU not to be the bottleneck. But basically the more you increase the resolution the closer the results will be, I would guess at 4k they are identical.

You really believe those measly E cores could perform this well? Are you high?

@@PinchOfLuck I've seen lots of test showing SC running best with ecores on last year.

framechasers said ecores fuck with your fps so they should be turned off for max results

Off ofcourse. SC really strugles with e cores on, lots of stuttering

@@impuls60 I’m not sure either I was running only P cores and then turned on my E cores and they were both nice as heck

3d vcache is good but star citizen require a large vcache maybe 9800X3D will be bigger.

its not, some games use it more than others, in this case it is still not enough

lol Lot of other games runs better on 7800x3d and your conclusion is that this is the hardware thing? It's clearly game dev thing to optimize the game and for now we have evidence that there is much to do for AMD CPUs

Vcache is good but the 7800x3d cores arent as strong as the 13900k's. The vcache can only take it so far. Zen 5 will be something else tho (presumably).

Na more cache is great. Intel had experimented with that years ago but sadly discontinued that.

It can always use multi-thread better, lets hope it does with Vulkan Multi-thread optimisation

"all this time"? The Vulkan-renderer just got released few month ago - and it is not even finished.

@ThorDyrden games have been using multithreading successfully for years now e.g. dx12. Star Citizen being limited like this for so long is embarrassing

@@lyntonbell7604 1st - part of the new renderer is not multithreaded yet - the whole game is using multi-core pretty decent on my system. It still is more CPU-heavy, than some other games... but with all the simulation going on I would not expect that to change significantly. 2nd - "after all this years" ... I know - you can't hear it any more - but the game is not even released and optimization is mostly at the end of a game-development process, when the features and technology is stable. E.g. why should they have invested heavily in optimizing for DX11, when they already know for years they will shift to Vulcan?

@@ThorDyrden I just tried the intro screen where you build character. cpu utilisation 30% on a 5800x3d. I'll have to take your word for it, just don't believe my 4090 is getting an proper test at all and the cpu side does not feel there yet on vulkan. it's just taken so long for a normal modern architecture to come to bear and with all that money they have

I did it in the past it is complete Garbage

I actually forgot to do it this time around good pint will do it next time. There is a video in my channel where I did it for a previous patch

Yes, the 7700X tuned is already almost on par with the 13900K. If Zen 5 IPC is 10% or more better its going to beat both.

@@gamedaytoday1 Oh wow. The 7700x is better than the 7800x3D?

​@@gamedaytoday1I've heard that 6400mhz memory was spotted in a 9XXX cpu benchmark so hopefully better memory can also help the ryzens.

It won't be out next month. Maybe just for a few reviewers if that. Good luck getting it yourself though. Besides, Intel also brings out new CPUs, so the performance parity will be broken for once in 5 years.

@@jonahhekmatyar Its not the memory, its the Ryzen cpu that cant handle higher speeds.