Star Citizen 5800X vs 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Unlocking Maximum FPS!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- How fast can you push the 5800X? Can it beat a un-tuned 5800X3D in star citizen? In-depth analysis by tuning a subscriber's PC who has a 5800X!
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System upgrade Specs:
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5800X3D - amzn.to/45NNycK
Best B-die DDR4 - amzn.to/43uREVv
Graphics settings
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Patch 3.19
Resolution: 1080p
Quality: Very High
Scattered Object Distance: High
Terrain Tessellation Distance: High
Planet Volumetric Clouds: Off
Field of View: Max
Motion Blur: 100
Chromatic Aberration: Off
Film: no
CHAPTERS
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0:00 Into
0:09 Subscriber Test setup & Stock result
0:30 Stock results (pre build)
0:40 options to better performance
1:40 Tuning, overclocking and optimization
5:07 Before and after in Orison
5:34 Orison 5800x Tuned vs 5800x3d Tuned and Stock
6:32 Lorville 5800x Tuned vs 5800x3d Tuned and Stock
6:52 Area 18 5800x Tuned vs 5800x3d Tuned and Stock
7:09 Performance Summary
7:47 Upgrade options
10:12 Conclusion
#5800 #rtx4090 #5800x3d 
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You deserve more subscribers, my man!! People need to wake up and see that overlclocking isn't dead
Thank you sir!
I really appreciate the upgrade options section for specific setup recommendations, this helps so much. Thanks for your hard work!
Wouldn't getting more of the same RAM be more beneficial since the game needs at least 24 GB to not be running in page file? I'd be surprised if a small memory overclock would make a larger performance upgrade than removing the entire memory bottleneck of being forced to write to a page file would be.
Wow!!!! This is amazing. Best video yet. Can’t wait for
The next one 🎉
Thanks!
Wow! Amazing video! Could you do an whole pc tuning video? I recently debloated my pc and did some performance work. Also you got me watching the whole video so keep going with that content. Amazing 🎉
Thanks sir
Love to see how do you actually tuned the memory, i have 5800x3d+ 32gb 3600Mhz memory. Could you make a video for memory tuning? Thanks.
Could you make a video going through the optimizations you did on the PC, specifically the processes, I noticed I have 285 processes running, and have no clue what to do to lower that number!
YES, This is killing me, I want to know what I need to do to remove 100 background processes when my ram is sitting at 40% usage on start up!!!!!
search about christitus debloat tool its truly amazing
Is there a video as well which goes more in depth on the tuning? Specifically removing bloatware and windows processes? Those seems like simple steps that most users would be able to handle themselves without dipping into overclocking territory.
This is exactly the kind of videos we need right now for pc gaming. So many people will complain about unoptimized games (not including the valid UE4 stuttering problems) while running their PCs with tons of bloatware, jedec memory speeds, and games saved on a 10 year old hdd.
Great stuff as always.
I mean, games really are unoptimized as shit rn but that's not limited to gaming. It's pretty much consensus that our hardware rapid evolution gave way to programmers and programming languages that completely disregard hardware performance. Nowadays hardware is so strong that developers can get away with garbage codes...
I checked on amazon and the patriot viper 2x16gb are much slower than the 2x8 gb. Any reason why?
Nice and informative video thanks. How one can check if their ram are a-die or b-die? Is there a software to check it?
How can I get your help tuning my system? I thought about building a new AM5 system but I just dont have the funds to do so right now. I have also thought about upgrading to the 5800X3D and possibly a 4000 series GPU to hold me over for a few more years. I recently started streaming Star Citizen and OBS stats are showing both frames missed due to rendering lag (GPU) and skipped frames due to encoding lag (CPU). I switched from NVENC to x264 video encoding and that has all but eleminated skipped frames but I am still getting missed frames. So my limited knowlege tells me that my GPU isn't good enough? My current set up is 5600x, 3070FTW, 32gb 3600 16-18-18-38, SC installed on SSD. Thanks for any help and keep up the great work, really enjoyed your video.
Can you compare the 5700x / 5800x to an i5-13500 for a budget build?
I have a 5800x with 32GB RAM DDR4 at 3400 speed, would I see performance improvements if I get the latest Ruben CPU & 64 GB 2x 32GB Sticks of DDR5 with 4000+ speeds, if so what kind of performance increase could I expect to see assuming budget is not a issue?
Does any of this make a difference at 4k ???
I have only a Samsung C-die 32GB 3600Mhz dual rank kit , is it your Samsung B-die is the same as Samsung C-die? Or I literally got screwup by buy buying this C-die kit by thinking both has the name Samsung and is the same quality .
What's the max voltage you recommend to overclock the ram?
Great vids, but i still don't understand how you tune the memory exactly. I'm on a 5800x3d, 7900xtx, 32g c16 3600mt ripjaws and the game is on a nvme....i'd love to tune my system to get the most out of it for SC, as long as it doesn't hurt the performance of other games...but you don't explain really what you change and why, or show a step by step to do so. I'd love for you to make a detailed video on this process.
That'll be a hell of a long vid, as overclocking is equal parts science and art, so often you're making choices on intuition and feel. I wish I could learn now to overclock.
CPU's with 3D V-Cache don't require the fast memory as much as non x3D Ryzen CPU's do which are notoriously memory bound. The good news is that you're not missing as much performance, the bad news is you wouldn't see the same kind of gains from overclocking your memory as this guy did.
How can i get in touch with you, im in the process of ordering upgrade parts and in need of a tune for the system. There's nobody knowledgeable in this in my city that i can turn to.
Send me an email, you can find it in my about page
@gamedaytoday1 great video! I'm on the edge for the 5800x3d upgrade. My actual setup: 5800x OC @4950MHz , 32Gb DDR4 OC @4000MHz CL18 , 3080ti. You think an upgrade for Sc is worth it or not ? Thankyou o7
Depends on your FPS goals, and what resolution your are playing and how much your 3080ti is being utilised. And finally your budget.
I guess in this comparison, the cooling and max boost of the cpus would have significant imact too.
Hey guys, as a newbie to pc gaming, what are the main things that I need to know to really make a difference in performance? I find these videos super helpful and will definitely reach out to game day personally for tuning support because he is the only one telling it as it is right now but I just wanted to reach out and see if you guys had any other recommendations for me? Thanks a lot guys!!
Awesome video my dude, I've actually bought the ram that you were using in other video, the Delta T-Force 7200mhz
And I'm waiting to upgrade my cpu and motherboard, to a ryzen 9 7950x3d or maybe a ryzen 9 7900x3d
What motherboard would you suggest?
any motherboard for AM5
What if I have a 5700x should I stay with that cpu or change, planning to get a 4090 or 5080 I play mostly single player at 4k with dlss quality
5800x3d isn't worth the upgrade since your PC will be mostly GPU bounded at 4k resolution.
Hi, I am one of the CapFrameX devs. Which version of the software did you use for this video?
1.7.1
I've heard that having more than 16 GB of RAM helps stuttering and fps dips.
Besides AMD FSR and other upscalers, how would you tune a PC to help a GPU bottleneck?
Outside of really cranking cloud quality or maybe running triple monitors it's kind of hard to create a GPU bottleneck in this game with GPUs intended for modern gaming. This situation is one where you would likely see a difference from dropping graphical settings though (which probably doesn't do that much for most other people). You can always overclock GPUs too though I don't think there is as much room to gain these days as there used be before GPUs dynamically clocked themselves so much.
Different cards all behave differently when it comes to tuning clocks. My 4090 is actually quite fine undervolting to 70~75% even when you're sliding the clock speeds up. It doesn't seem to be very voltage limited where as some older Nvidia cards are totally limited by the amount of voltage their BIOS allows. Most newer cards all automatically adjust based on temperature so you can hold onto your peak clock speeds longer if you can keep temps down.
In general though if you are having GPU problems with the game though you likely need a new card more than overclock and you will see even bigger gains in most other games that are more GPU dependent or not so held back by the main thread on the CPU.
Yeah I generally just wouldn't buy Corsair memory in general if you think you might try overclocking it sometime. They're just too heavily binned when you buy the 3200 kit you can kind expect bad memory that won't really go higher than that. If I was really interested in overclocking RAM I maybe just start with one of Buildzoid's long rambling videos to get a better idea of what I'm buying.
I also "upgraded/downgraded/sidegraded" my 5900x to a 5800x3D primarily for the jumps seen in EFT and Star Citizen. I only did this because I bought a 4090 and it's kind of sad knowing you aren't going to see performance increase in either of these game with a new GPU anyway. The 5800x3D does run annoyingly hotter and causes more fan spikes than 5900x that always seemed to be nice cool and obviously hurts other benchmarks. Gaming performance is good though and some specific cases like Star Citizen makes a pretty big difference.
The line that "The only thing untuned is your PC." is still stupid though. But the game dev software/engine side of it is largely out of our hands and CIG is slowly trying to make improvements. I have a feeling there's a lot more you can do as game/engine dev/software engineer than as end user trying to get a couple more mhz out of their ram. ...This means we must go post more on spectrum!! 😏😅
Couldn't have made a better video. I have a 3600x and weighing up a full upgrade to 7800x3d.
I think I'll just get a 5800x3d and a 4090.
With the 4090 you should just pair it with the 7800x3d
@gamedaytoday1 I'm trying to a certain budget. I have a x570 already so thinking of just getting the 4090, 5800 x3d, good ram, and a 1000w psu.
That way I can save quite a bit. Do you think I should just go hard on am5?
His point is that a 4090 is overkill for the 5800x3d. Just get a 4070 then
I have a 3600Mhz cl16 kit, i dont think a tune is necessary for my 5800X3D. I have 2x16Gb 3600Mhz cl16 G.Skill Trident Z Neo
I would love to know my options on my Pc i have a 3060ti and a 5800x w/ 32gb ram
Depends on your goals and budget
How much would you charge to optimize my PC and where can I contact you?
Hi go to my channel about page and click view email address. I have a lot of optimisation request and will try to figure out the best way to deal with all the request as its hard to manage right now.
But thanks for your interest what specs is your PC?
I switched out a 5600x to a 5700x3d helped in several games 3600mhz 4x8gb cl16-19-19-39 7900gre steel legend 2700mhz core 2376mhz memory 995mv +15 power limit rebar on.
Wow, quality content.
I bought a 64gb (32gb x2) kit of 3600mhz ddr4 for 5800x3d. I can't get it to run faster than 3400mhz on my B550, it will only run at 3200mhz on my B450 & 5600x desktop. XMP 3600mhz doesn't work on either board with that ram. 🤔
Have you tried to increase the SOC voltage?
Man whatever I do I never get good frames, In lorville around 50FPS any freaking setting I go is same Im tired , in any other game frames are super high.
3k ultra wide monitor make no difference even when I go 1080p.
4090 - AMD 7800x3d - 32gb ram 6000mhz ddr5 -CL 30( this was one of the best I could find) MB- 650E .
What Im doing wrong 😢?
Of curse in space I get lots of frame but cities its go down hard .
Lorville is a frame killer will make a video on that
@@gamedaytoday1 Your the best man, I learned alot from you. Im trying to change the Ram since at start up the ram light stay on 1min and I have to wait for it to clear and then PC turns on.
I heard anything more than 6000 MHZ not good with AMD. Do you have any recommendation ?prince range 200$ . Should I go with the faster CL DDR4 or just do DDR5?
For AM4 the first upgrade you do is to a 32GB 4000MHz kit and down-clock it until your particular CPU is happy with it
5600x 2x32GB 3000MHz vs 4000MHz
Was an increase from about 20FPS to 30FPS in a particular spot on lorvill
Now i plugged in 2x32GB because 2 sticks will always overclock better than 4 sticks
And having 4 ranks is better than having 2 ranks [dual rank dimms have memory chips on both sides, single rank only have chips on 1 side]
16GB with todays DDR prices is a dumb move not only because 16GB vs 32GB in star citizen have a big performance uplift mainly in consistency but also because it costs bigger all
A kit rated at my manual overclock costs just a little over half of what i payed for my ram back in 2019 [bought spec 3000MHz]
Here in the UK 16GB vs 32GB is £50 vs £80 no reason to be getting 16GB this side of 2020 especially with 2023 prices ohh and its just £190 for 2x32GB 4000MHz with todays prices
5800x/2070s/16gb 3000mhz e-die, x570 tomahawk, any recommendation on ram? 2x16 is what I’m shooting for, would be nice to not have to OC and just turn on XMP etc
@@DrtRidr3256 if your goal is to just run XMP…
Then get a 3800MHz kit and if it boots run Y-Cruncher VST to make sure the infinity fabric is stable because for example 4000MHz is stable for my 5600x but there are plenty that can only do 3766MHz
If it doesn’t run or it fails then return it for a refund and get a 3600MHz kit
That about all you can do if your not ok going in and fiddling with it
Minimum number of things to change would be 5 but only need to fiddle around with 3, and after you find out your infinity fabrics limit it drops to 2
For AM4 there are certain timings that you can essentially delete by setting them below a certain point and other settings you simply just set to a pre-determined number
yeeeaaah but server health can affect results... i dunno if....
Side by side comparison in same server, so in this example each CPU is in the same test environment, straight forward test
5600x with 3090 or 5800x3d with 3090? i have the 5600x but want to upgrade to 3d
5800x3d with 3090
@@gamedaytoday1 is it worth it tho? and are the temps not that bad on it?
@@CaptNemo_ How do you measure if an upgrade is worth it for you? Is it worth it is subjective from individual to individual depending on how they measure value and what their objectives are.
Speaking for myself the goal if you are on a AM3 platform is to have a 5800X3D and B-die tuned to the max of what the 5800X3D can handle.
So if you already have B-die good!? Then a 5800X3D will ensure you get the most out of your 3090.
@@gamedaytoday1 guess ill give it a try since i can always return it, i have a b550 MB only thing i was worried about is the temps of it that people say about it
love how many people still think 5800x3d doesnt benefit from tuned memory let me just tell u it will benefit in every area also when 3d cache is not being used it is memory latency that gives u boost overall
So as someone who wants to give up gaming except star citizen, for an optimal PC upgrade from a 5800x with good ram, there's really only am5 x3d chips rn... RIP wallet. I don't think upgrading from my 5800x to 5800x3d is worth it here. Appreciate the video and the work put into this!
My next video will be about 5700X3D, which is $120 cheaper than 5800X3D. Wait until tomorrow or the sunday for the video
@@gamedaytoday1 Well... Your channel was a bad discovery for my wallet because I have been going through a lot of your 7800x3d videos as my local microcenter has open box ones for quite a discount. So now I am just trying to find a good cl30 6000mhz ram kit. I am comfortable undervolting and overclocking gpu/cpu, but ram timings is definitely not something I have too much patience for.
@@ralkros681 I would get the 7700X instead if your primary game is star citizen did you see my 7700x vs 7800X3D video? It’s cheaper and performs almost like a tuned 13900K.
Oh sorry if you don’t like to visit the BIOS then get the 7800X3D for sure
The server fps is capped. You'll be stuttering anyway.
why didn't you recommend 32GB?!??!?!?!?!?
Fast RAM > 32 GB, in this case 32GB would not have given him 40% better performance. He can upgrade in the future as well if he has the budget
@@gamedaytoday1 ; perhaps - but it'll be a stuttery mess with the insufficient ram. :(
@@markcritic2409 The 1% lows are equivalent to a 5800x3d with 32GB at 3200Mhz Ram speeds.
@@gamedaytoday1 so when i have a 32gb ram 3600mhz i shouldnt use 3600mhz?
3200mhz better?
The game is poorly optimized, because they n't waste their time to make the hardware conditions of players comfortable, and take money from them.
45% improvement because of RAM? what a BS
Don’t shoot the messenger 🤷🏽♂️