i have a 7800X3D and a 4080 super. with the same ship in space, power off, i get 300fps. engines on 210fps. (32gb ddr5-6000, 1440p) Edit: in Lorville 60fps. but it depends on the clouds. the 4080 super can't handle those as good as a 4090
@@gamedaytoday1i would love to see that, atm iam not doing much better, than again i set my profile to 6000mhz (standard though) and i kept it like that because of the rumours back than it might melt my cpu :)
The drop in fps when powering up the ship is caused by the MFDs. They are still using Adobe Flash for the UI instead of the Building Blocks system CIG built. Flash is notoriously inefficient with resources, and the more MFDs you have, the worse the performance impact gets. Newer ships with only two MFDs are much better in this regard, but there is still an fps impact. Also, the HUD itself can also cause performance issues sometimes, but those are usually bugs, squashed quickly.
Your timing is perfect. I’m new to PC building and just built my own rig last year for SC. 4080, 13900k on a msi z790 edge with 64gigs of corsair vengeance 5600. I get almost identical fps to Ollie and couldn’t figure out for the life of me why it wasn’t performing better. I’ve just purchased the ram you linked. Thank you
Great video👍🏽👍🏽 really changed the game with this one (literally). Easily the best star citizen channel out there. Been following your tips for some time and it has made a massive difference in my overall optimisation and performance. Hitting insane FPS numbers for my setup. Keep them coming bro!
I've got i7-10700KH @ 3.8GHz, 32GB Ram @ 3600Mhz (4 slots DIMM) & RTX 3070 8GB RAM - I don't notice poor frame rate or slow downs during my SC sessions. I also didn't spend $4K on it either.
I get over 80-200+(depends on the area) FPS with a 7950X3D, 64gigs DDR5 6000 CAS 30 EXPO ram and a 7900XTX, I was watching Olli43's video also and cringing a bit wondering how a 4090 wasn't beating my 7900XTX maxed out at 1440p ultrawide (very high settings).
that is interesting. i couldnt figure out what my problem is and i have a similar set up to ollie. figured the game could only run smoothly on medium settings but if its my ram bottle necking that is something id have never thought of and i deserve it for going cheap on the ram lol
2:24 these performance dips have nothing to do with simulation at all. It is the displays. All the ship displays are currently still running on the original CryEngine UI tech, which is based on flash. Yes, Adobe/Macromedia Flash, which is a cool 28 years old. CIG's in-house developed replacement for that is called building blocks and will hopefully begin to be rolled out to ship displays with the Master Modes update in 3.23.
It's crazy to see that a $2000 GPU is struggling to put up a solid 60 FPS at 1440p, even with the inefficiencies. The 'good one' isn't doing much better in many instances, sometimes barely getting over the 60.
I'm about 1 minute in and I can tell you it is his memory speed. I switched from a 5900X to a 5800 X3D and didn't notice any increase in FPS until I noticed that my machine turned off my XMP. Turning on XMP I was able to get 135 FPS in the middle of space. That's with the 3080 and and 32gb @ 3200 MHz and a ship that was powered on. No idea why a gamer would go Intel when the 3D chips are by far the fastest overall gaming chips.
Tuned RAM is indeed very important for Star Citizen but every Star Citizen player, considering buying a new PC or new CPU should wait for the new Zen 5 CPUs. 8800X might be 25-40% ahead of 7800X and with tuned RAM even far ahead of the 7800X3D.
I would wait for a Zen 5 X3D chip rather than the first Zen5 they release Lots of ppl hit that issue last time, that the first couple of chips in the series are not the best and they hold them back until later down the line to sell more
@@0Metatron Game Day already showed that the vanilla Chip with higher clocks and max tuned RAM can be faster than the X3D variant. Because the X3D variant has lower clocks.
@@nightspiderx1916 they always have lower clocks, the Zen 4 ones do as well but that doesn’t stop them performing much better in most games because of the way they utilise 3D vcache
completly agree, i have over tuned my i7 4770k, i had a 1070, but now im suing a 3070 (its still DDR3 ) and i'm doing fine... for an 8 year old pc, if i had the coin i would buy an upgrade :P but kinda don't ned to yet. i don't care about Frames unless sit drops below 25, then its a lil painful and i have to do support roles :P
Are you sure you play on the same settings as the other streamer does? From the clips taken it seems you're using a different one (based on the different sizes of text of the display info), maybe also upscaled or the like. Sure, using more potent RAM Dimms for sure can make an impact though this also requies overclocking your CPU which may degrade faster and/or leave your system unstable or even harm components on the long run, as the I9-13900k has an upper "natural" transfer rate of 5600 MHz.
no, it is to do with the motherboard, yes silicon lottery of the imc does play a role, but not when it comes to 5600 vs say over 7600. even my 12700k hits 7800 on an z790 itx 12 layer mobos (msi z790i edge). if u have an 4 dimm 6layer board, then forget about going over 7200. 6800 is a struggle for many atx 6layer boards.
@@Pillokun What should a noob look for in a motherboard then? Im going to build an AMD build with the 7800x3d.. im really scared of using this kind of money and still have shitty fps
@@danielschmidt1990 7800x3d is best when u run 1:1 and most mobos can do 6000mt/s. If u really want to have the highest possible signal integrity between cpu and ram than an mini itx mobo should be prioritized. I would buy the gigabyte b650 itx. 12layers and over 100amps/ vrm.
@@danielschmidt1990 Watch some videos from Hardware Unboxed or Buildzoid (Channel: actually hardware overclocking) about ryzen Ram Timings and bottlenecks. You need a better source then guys on the internet or videos like this who are just clickbait from a small RUclipsr who just started making (bad) videos. There are too many people who just choose components based on their likings of manufacturers - never listen to those people. Rather wait a bit longer and get better information about your actual needs and what to buy.
To me, this video recommendation is less about tuning and more about "go buy better RAM". Unfortunately, this cannot be done in some cases without buying a new motherboard first. Not everyone will have the disposable income to upgrade their PCs every few years when the latest tech is available.
At Orison on location where u have been, i have 119,6fps on hard locked 120fps settings...with 7800x3d, 4080 underclocked and 32gb 6000cl30 stock timings...
Im upgrading my cpu from 9900k to 12700k just for star citizen. 9900k does fine with my other games. In star citizen, I am averaging 35fps with the 9900k.
@@meowmeow2759 That’s because star citizen relies heavily on CPU based physics, AI, projection, ect and right now the render thread is slow. A lot of people don’t even use good enough RAM with good speed/capacity/latency/rank there’s a bandwidth limit to meet and latency to lower
I'll add a few comments. My laptop has a 13900HX and 64 GB ram but it's only running 5200 mhz it gets about 47 fps @ 1440p (yes you need more than 32 GB, you will top out at about 33 or 34) My regular rig is due for an upgrade but has a 10850K at 5.3 all core with DDR4 memory running at 4260 mhz (which is roughly 8500 mhz in DDR5) It also has a 4090. I run 4K vsync because that's what I like. After everything settles down, it runs a solid 60 FPS with the CPU at 85% and the GPU at 60-80%.. So yes, I agree memory speed is very important for Star Citizen. It's the main reason I overclocked my memory to 4260. Still sourcing parts for my upgrade, which will be a fully water cooled 14900k with 8000 mhz memory and a 4090. o7
I have almost the same as Olli has! 13900k, 64gb (4x16gb) 6200 MHz Corsair Dominator (stable at 5600 MHz), Strix Z790 egaming, Strix RTX 4090. But stable RAM at 8200 MHz are very rare and not supportet on every Z790 Board
You dont tune a computer by switching out hardware....thats upgrading it. So do you have a video showing us how you get double the FPS that everyone else with the same hardware is getting?
TBH while Star Citizen is currently CPU limited it is much more likely to be bottlenecked by GPU in future as they are moving a ton of the workload onto the GPU with the Vulkan renderer and other engine improvements coming this year.
@@gamedaytoday1 Because the games FPS can be severely affected by a slow populated server. If I am on a server by myself I am getting insane FPS but if I am on a server with 100 people many areas like planets are laggy and low FPS. It is incredibly hard to do this type of test in SC because of the huge variation in experience due to the servers themselves not being optimized and so severely affected by traffic and server bugs.
@@realWorsin do you know why a populated server impacts your clients (PC) performance? If you answer the question correctly, then you would know why this test is comparable. You can definitely add a 5% margin of error, to this results. But you’re not saying that so… Two things can be true at the same time. In this case a truth is a tuned pc drastically improves the FPS in star citizen whether the server is populated or not.
Currently enjoying Star Citizen at 4k resolution with the following: ASUS TUF Gaming Z590 PLUS WFI LGA 1200 Intel Z590 motherboard. Intel Core i9-11900KF 12th Gen Rocket Lake 8 Coe 3.5ggz LGA 1200. 128 GB Mushkin Enhanced Silverline DDR 3200 PC4 25600 RAM CORSAIR HX1500 CP-90215-NA power supply NVidia 3060 TI. Star Citizen runs like a dream.
Damn the difference is so big in this game when you tune the ram. Thanks for sharing. I wonder us amd users that cannot do that high oc on ram how is the performance compared lol. I think max oc on ram with amd cpu is like 6000mhz?
ok i dont feel so bad now. I just got a new monitor and have been running the game in 4k and was only getting 50-60fps with my rig while in and around lorville, orison etc. 7950x, 7900xt, 64gb ddr5 in expo running at 6000. Granted I havent messed with anything. I havent touched my gpu/cpu clocks or even played around with my game settings yet.
Now for the mind blowing reveal - my system is an 8-year old Novatech with AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 32GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz, and an MSI GTx1080 with 8GB DDR5 (not even a Ti) ... and the whole system is stock with no tuning or overclocking, I get very similar frame rates to Olli in the video.
Never buy a prebuilt. They short change the customer so they can increase profits. It's so easy to put together a great pc these days. Tons of information out there. You don't need to wait for the next greatest thing either. I put together a new pc in November 2023. At 4K, max settings, it gets 80 to 200+fps. No need to get more than 32G memory for Starcitizen. The most I've seen it use is 29. The cpu and gpu never get close to 100%. I did go with the fastest memory that was compatible with my motherboard. Don't just go with the highest DDR speed, get the best timing you can. As for the install drive I'd go with a PCIe 4 M.2. I was tempted to go with a PCIe 5, but didn't due to the cost increase.
Sorry to be negative, but lot of red flags here. There isn't enough data or control to determine causation. In general, faster clocked memory should result in higher framerates but not the framerates differences shown here. There are too many unknowns to say whether the builder did a poor job on the settings/configuration or there are a combination of other factors. And really, how many people have a 1440p monitor that's got over 144hz refresh without significant other drawbacks? Also, what is the tick rate of Star Citizen? Super high refresh rates can be problematic for the game. Lastly, Star Citizen is getting better, but every time you log in, performance and stability are a crap shoot, so this kind of comparison is largely pointless. I wouldn't make any purchasing decisions off of this video or off of Star Citizen performance.
@gamedaytoday1 I agree with the general premise, and I apologize if that came across as dismissive as you are extremely knowledgeable, but I feel comfortable standing by my statement. I think the comparison here detracts from the excellent work you have done in other videos like the one you referred me to.
I don't have a similar system, not even close, but AFMF does some magic with my RX6800, OC memory to iirc 3433mhzw and just CL17, so not the best of memory OC, but not the worst and an ancient 2700x is getting similar fps to that Novatech build. 900 Dollar Build at todays prices. ;-) 1000 Dollar build with the much better 5800x3D which I still need to install. And don't be fooled, for FPS combat, you 100% do not want just Fake Frames to boost up the smoothness because it's all just looking smooth but the underlying fps issues can still be felt when playing with mouse and keyboard, but for flying with joysticks ... seems absolutely fine to go with 60-90 fps native and just boost with with AFMF for smooth looking gameplay.
You would need to overclock the memory and CPU. I made a video about it here: Star Citizen 5800X vs 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Unlocking Maximum FPS! ruclips.net/video/vYaCB8Zi9vU/видео.html
Wtf 7200mhz is $100.00 now? It was $500.00 when I first bought a kit of A-die back in late 2022 on Newegg. There’s literally no excuse for having terrible ram then, that is cheap af
@@gamedaytoday1 Yea but this is so common today. So many people immediately go "MY 4090 DOESN'T GET 500FPS IN 4K THIS GAME IS ASS. " They don't even understand that there are other components in the system.
He is recording the video, and using a second PC to stream. I am recording the video as well having OBS in the background losing 5% FPS and CapframeX in the background as-well.
Very impressive ! I have a kit of FF3D532G7200HC34ADC01 (A-die checked) on a MSI z790 Carbon Wifi. Do you think possible to attempt the 8200Hhz with a 14900kf or the motherboard is not enough stronger?
Sounds like it was always unstable and the latest patch just put more stress on the system to reveal it. Worth trying again with higher voltages or other timing, would not know the exact issue without testing. @@ToddyS
@@ToddySi need to run my ram at 4600 otherwise my pc don’t boot anymore😢. But I’m using all 4 slots. Sadly with the first bios version it runs with 5800 but with every bios update it drops until now to 4600.
@@gamedaytoday1 Ye, the 7800x3ds arent exactly the best with memory to begin with either, been unstable but i dont dare go over 1.3 on SOC voltage, because.... well, boom! and @IntrEpidis you might know this already but when using high Ram speeds and tight timings on the 7800X3D in particular it can take sometimes up to a minute or more to get to the screen, the orange LED on the motherboard will be on the whole time (atleast on ASUS boards)
could this help my 12600k not bottleneck my 4080 so much in sc? I have the 5600mhz corsair vengeance kit, and my gpu basically is never getting utilized more than 50-60% :( basically same performance as the 3070 i had before i got a pretty good deal for a used 4080 Unfortunately i can’t upgrade my cpu for now as im thermally limited in the itx case i got with only a 140mm aio
fast ram indeed helps, but to be honest Star citizen should not be such a perf hog, after all when u damage your ship all it does to the ship is to replace the undamaged ship model with a damaged ship model, it does not even have a real time damage model where the ship model actually crumbles like in a cad software.
Nice Content. I'm struggling with my RAM on Z690 ROG Maximus Hero with 13900K. I use Trident Z5 7600 32GB but only 7000 seems stable, do you think with manual tuning more is possible? How to start?
Yeah DDR4 is completly different. DDR5 clocks higher yes but the timings are also almost double so the performance difference is less than you would think.
Unfortunately in 2021, thanks to Covid, I was only able to put together a “stripped down” system Many things weren't available, so I had to go with an AMD 3800X and a 3070 and a Gigabyte MB that only accepts a maximum of 4200MHz OC ram sticks what can I expect? I get 50-120 fps depending on the location
Not a lot fps with 4090 and in 2k maybe 4k fix it but here is a bottleneck in ram and cpu I almost have same fps with tuned bios 7800x3d 64gb @6000 32-38-38-96 rtx 3060 but in 1080p as Olli43 shows
So I'm looking to do the 14900k, apex encore with a 8000mhz kit but which kit would you go for ? the Team T-Force Xtreem 48GB DDR5 8000 or the Patriot 48GB Viper Xtreme 5 DDR5 RGB 8000
"Keep in mind I'm doing other things with my PC as well" sounds like a copout for shitty performance, to me. Even a noob like me knows that 5600 DDR5 is garbage compared to even 6000, much less 8000. Why would anyone who plays SC even think about using 5600? I get that it was a FREE PC from a SPONSOR, but they embarrassed themselves by putting such crappy ram in a top end PC. Why would ya? DEEEEERRRRRRRRP!!!!! They must be morons. They really wasted an opportunity to show off how well that kit would run with higher quality DDR5. Most people will look at the price of expensive ram and say PASS. However, when you see the difference in performance you dig into the pocket for a little more money because you can see the difference it makes, and it's a big difference. They must be morons to have wasted such an opportunity to showcase the kit, and decided to go cheap on the ram. BAD decision.
hi i have an i9 and a 4090 i hit really good fps on other games .i don't believe it's just down to hardware and optimization on sc. the game seriously doesn't know how to allocate resources
LoL I get more FPS than Oli in Loreville with everything set on high on my 5800x@4800Mhz/32GBDDR4/3060Ti but I have to admit that at 4800Mhz I have a jet engine on my desk instead of at computer tower XD XD XD
The alpha is not optimized for any systems lol this video is moot. I have a 4090 & 7800x3d with 32gig 6300mhz ddr5 and i can get anywhere from 40fps to over 200 depending on the server im on and where im at in the verse. When optimization like DLSS comes it will help a ton for lower spec machines. I cant wait to see where the game is in 5 years. You want unplayable fps you should of seen the 800 player server test yesterday 😅
Two things can be true at the same time. 1. Ollie’s system is in unoptimised due to the memory 2. Star Citizen is unoptimised One of the things you can do sometimes about as you can see in this video. So point is moot.
1440p, all settings set to High. As Olli43 mentioned here, also I am recording straight to my PC he is offloading it to his streaming PC: ruclips.net/video/0rQEHWYVkvY/видео.htmlsi=C7gsZ9qAOD0KaLed&t=84
Two things can be true at the same time, without conflicting with each other. 1. Your PC is unoptimised 2. Star Citizen is unoptimised One of them you can actually do something about.
and the server quality also can come into play and internet speed connection to the server. There is times my FPS is great in areas and the very next day same location is cant hardly reach 60fps@@gamedaytoday1 SC isnt a good judge of performance as its all over the place from server to server.
They aren't testing on the same server and not even with the same build. One is testing in May 2024 and the other in January 2025. Of course the game runs better almost a year later. This test is completely useless. It's not the memory, that makes the difference here.
I agree. I preach about RAM a lot about how it can make more of a difference than ppl think especially if fully tuned (primaries, secondaries, tertiaries, etc.) and on a 2x 24 GB Hynix A-die DDR5 kit or a 2x 16 GB Samsung B-die dual-rank DDR4 kit but even I can admit that you're not going to go from 160 fps to 250 fps from just RAM, that's ridiculous, lol.
Wrong Ollies video is 26 jan 2024 mine is 23 Mar 2024, correct yourself, that is 2 months. it is both SC 3.22. Also don't use the not the same server fallacy to explain away 50% performance difference. there is max 15% between the a bad server to a good server and it also depends on where you are and timing. I have done enough tests to see this. Server FPS does not impact performance on your client it is actually how many NPCs that the server is spawning near you that your client needs to compute. I had a server with 5FPS and I know they don't impact my performance, I have done enough test to see this. My controlled test I did in the past shows' 55% difference between 5600Mhz and 8200Mhz in star citizen. ruclips.net/video/CITlrdWsaWE/видео.htmlsi=xm-LHaYo1c6Esp9r Just try it for yourself.
He's not factoring in latency and servers health you can't replicate that. It's like doing a trick shot and expecting the same results. @@user-hq9fp8sm8f
Little something you are overlooking, as the majority of gamers do! Especially when it comes to multiplayer games. Even gets worse once you factor in peer to peer games, won't dive into that one as Star citizen is server/client (aka dedicated server servers) Your ping time to a server is as fast as you will receive location data on other players in the game with absolutely no way around it. Give you a breakdown of ping times needed to be "optimized" you'll notice these are exactly the same as frame times, intentionally, and only using two frame times, but yes could very much be broken down alot further no doubt about it. 16.7ms for 60fps 33.4ms for 30fps Considering most have coax rather than fiber, average ping times are actually greater than 35ms, or slightly slower than a 30fps if they are located within the same region of the server and the ping will be much greater for those farther away. A physics thing and the users ultimate speed limit for communications between the client/server. Many get speed confused with bandwidth, without getting into great detail just think of bandwidth being a big truck on the road compared with a car, the big truck carries more than that car, while going the exact same speed as that car. Higher the rate of fps over and above the ping time to the server you are connected to the more unoptimized the client is, with two slight exceptions, draw more power which raises your electric bill and heat produced. Other than those two exceptions, you will gain absolutely nothing. The electric bill is a net loss, but beside the point. Not as big of a deal as ping times but ultimately plays a factor as well. Star Citizen servers only do 15fps on a good day and for a very short amount of time. Most of the time the servers are running 7fps or less.
Also who compares their FPS to anothers setup. Go and untune your system and then make a comparision to make a statement about RAM speed. That would be say more scientific.
Another great test showing how gimped some of the intel PCs are out there... no wonder they can say "7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming", because of these clueless people and their gimped intel PCs. 🤦♂ BTW I'm still waiting for the "Best Custom Windows 11" video from you. Also I wanted to let you know that your twitter/X handle does not appear in any X search and it's only reachable by direct link. Also why don't you advertise your new videos on X?
My Twitter handle is: @GameDay_RUclips . Should be working now. Best Custom Windows 11 is in the pipe, do you know how long time it takes to test these things? No wonder there is few people doing it I'll get more active on Twitter
7800x3D has a special memory on the CPU which benefits games greatly. This also means it does not require high speed RAM memory to reach the same level of performance, as the onboard 3Dvcache is much more efficient in supplying data to the CPU. All in all, with the 7800x3D you get the best performance, low power consumption and it does not require expensive high speed RAM to run. @@danielschmidt1990
Two things can be true at the same time: 1. Your PC is unoptimised 2. Star Citizen is unoptimised One thing you can do something about so try not to defend the nonsense that you can't optimise your PC.
Insane that there is such a big difference, I wonder how the 7800X3D compares in these areas
might do a comparison if this comment gets 50 likes 👍🏽
@@gamedaytoday1 HOLD MY BEER!
@@gamedaytoday1 yes please that would be great
i have a 7800X3D and a 4080 super. with the same ship in space, power off, i get 300fps. engines on 210fps. (32gb ddr5-6000, 1440p)
Edit: in Lorville 60fps. but it depends on the clouds. the 4080 super can't handle those as good as a 4090
@@gamedaytoday1i would love to see that, atm iam not doing much better, than again i set my profile to 6000mhz (standard though) and i kept it like that because of the rumours back than it might melt my cpu :)
The drop in fps when powering up the ship is caused by the MFDs. They are still using Adobe Flash for the UI instead of the Building Blocks system CIG built. Flash is notoriously inefficient with resources, and the more MFDs you have, the worse the performance impact gets. Newer ships with only two MFDs are much better in this regard, but there is still an fps impact. Also, the HUD itself can also cause performance issues sometimes, but those are usually bugs, squashed quickly.
Makes sense thanks for the clarification
Should've mentioned Ollie in the title, maybe he just doesn't know how much he's bottlenecked and it would help him to get higher fps
Your timing is perfect. I’m new to PC building and just built my own rig last year for SC. 4080, 13900k on a msi z790 edge with 64gigs of corsair vengeance 5600. I get almost identical fps to Ollie and couldn’t figure out for the life of me why it wasn’t performing better. I’ve just purchased the ram you linked. Thank you
Be carful if you get 64 Gigs of 7200Mhz it may not be stable with 4 dims so you would probably need to increase the voltage a bit to get it stable.
Great video👍🏽👍🏽 really changed the game with this one (literally). Easily the best star citizen channel out there. Been following your tips for some time and it has made a massive difference in my overall optimisation and performance. Hitting insane FPS numbers for my setup. Keep them coming bro!
Would be interesting if you lower ram speeds down to same level and if they end up similar
I especially think that he did not deactivate the e-core in the bios
You need to get better to landing your ship 😂
I've got i7-10700KH @ 3.8GHz, 32GB Ram @ 3600Mhz (4 slots DIMM) & RTX 3070 8GB RAM - I don't notice poor frame rate or slow downs during my SC sessions. I also didn't spend $4K on it either.
I get over 80-200+(depends on the area) FPS with a 7950X3D, 64gigs DDR5 6000 CAS 30 EXPO ram and a 7900XTX, I was watching Olli43's video also and cringing a bit wondering how a 4090 wasn't beating my 7900XTX maxed out at 1440p ultrawide (very high settings).
Please turn your engines off when you land for the love of god
You would have to be actually on the same server to make a real comparison. Since the server performance has a huge impact on the client fps.
that is interesting. i couldnt figure out what my problem is and i have a similar set up to ollie. figured the game could only run smoothly on medium settings but if its my ram bottle necking that is something id have never thought of and i deserve it for going cheap on the ram lol
2:24 these performance dips have nothing to do with simulation at all. It is the displays. All the ship displays are currently still running on the original CryEngine UI tech, which is based on flash. Yes, Adobe/Macromedia Flash, which is a cool 28 years old. CIG's in-house developed replacement for that is called building blocks and will hopefully begin to be rolled out to ship displays with the Master Modes update in 3.23.
Intel needs that high speed memory but you don't on the AMD Ryzen which prefers lower CAS.
It's crazy to see that a $2000 GPU is struggling to put up a solid 60 FPS at 1440p, even with the inefficiencies. The 'good one' isn't doing much better in many instances, sometimes barely getting over the 60.
i run a 4090 on a 13700k and 64gb of DDR4 3200mhz and my avg fps is around 130 at 3440 x 1440 in starcitizen
All that time and you didn't once go into the details of the tuning that makes a difference. Wow.
Wow im glad i found your channel
I'm about 1 minute in and I can tell you it is his memory speed. I switched from a 5900X to a 5800 X3D and didn't notice any increase in FPS until I noticed that my machine turned off my XMP. Turning on XMP I was able to get 135 FPS in the middle of space. That's with the 3080 and and 32gb @ 3200 MHz and a ship that was powered on.
No idea why a gamer would go Intel when the 3D chips are by far the fastest overall gaming chips.
Watched 30 seconds more and what do you know I was correct😊
The 3D cache processors are the move with SC. Probably for the same reason as high memory speed. Now I want to see how high I can clock my memory!
Tuned RAM is indeed very important for Star Citizen but every Star Citizen player, considering buying a new PC or new CPU should wait for the new Zen 5 CPUs.
8800X might be 25-40% ahead of 7800X and with tuned RAM even far ahead of the 7800X3D.
I would wait for a Zen 5 X3D chip rather than the first Zen5 they release
Lots of ppl hit that issue last time, that the first couple of chips in the series are not the best and they hold them back until later down the line to sell more
@@0Metatron Game Day already showed that the vanilla Chip with higher clocks and max tuned RAM can be faster than the X3D variant. Because the X3D variant has lower clocks.
@@nightspiderx1916 they always have lower clocks, the Zen 4 ones do as well but that doesn’t stop them performing much better in most games because of the way they utilise 3D vcache
Just get the 7800x3D. When zen 5 drops you’ll only have to swap the chip and you’ll always get at least 50% back on eBay. Not the end of the world!
@@illgottengains1314 I will do this but most people i guess don't swap their hardware every few months
completly agree, i have over tuned my i7 4770k, i had a 1070, but now im suing a 3070 (its still DDR3 ) and i'm doing fine... for an 8 year old pc, if i had the coin i would buy an upgrade :P
but kinda don't ned to yet.
i don't care about Frames unless sit drops below 25, then its a lil painful and i have to do support roles :P
Are you sure you play on the same settings as the other streamer does? From the clips taken it seems you're using a different one (based on the different sizes of text of the display info), maybe also upscaled or the like. Sure, using more potent RAM Dimms for sure can make an impact though this also requies overclocking your CPU which may degrade faster and/or leave your system unstable or even harm components on the long run, as the I9-13900k has an upper "natural" transfer rate of 5600 MHz.
You hit the silicone lottery on your 13900kf memory controller to get 8200mhz, that's not a common speed for most. Good video.
no, it is to do with the motherboard, yes silicon lottery of the imc does play a role, but not when it comes to 5600 vs say over 7600. even my 12700k hits 7800 on an z790 itx 12 layer mobos (msi z790i edge).
if u have an 4 dimm 6layer board, then forget about going over 7200. 6800 is a struggle for many atx 6layer boards.
@@Pillokun What should a noob look for in a motherboard then? Im going to build an AMD build with the 7800x3d.. im really scared of using this kind of money and still have shitty fps
@@danielschmidt1990 Du solltest auf den neuen Ryzen 8000 Prozessor warten, welcher mit den Zen5 Kernen deutlich schneller sein wird.
@@danielschmidt1990 7800x3d is best when u run 1:1 and most mobos can do 6000mt/s. If u really want to have the highest possible signal integrity between cpu and ram than an mini itx mobo should be prioritized. I would buy the gigabyte b650 itx. 12layers and over 100amps/ vrm.
@@danielschmidt1990 Watch some videos from Hardware Unboxed or Buildzoid (Channel: actually hardware overclocking) about ryzen Ram Timings and bottlenecks. You need a better source then guys on the internet or videos like this who are just clickbait from a small RUclipsr who just started making (bad) videos. There are too many people who just choose components based on their likings of manufacturers - never listen to those people. Rather wait a bit longer and get better information about your actual needs and what to buy.
To me, this video recommendation is less about tuning and more about "go buy better RAM". Unfortunately, this cannot be done in some cases without buying a new motherboard first. Not everyone will have the disposable income to upgrade their PCs every few years when the latest tech is available.
..or if you got too much money and install 4x32GB into a Z790. XMP won't work with that big amount of memory. Had to find out the hard way.
I just wanna know how to optimize my system with an i7 13700k and a Radeon 7900xtx stock everything
I hope this comes to the attention of Olli43 and they fix his PC and he does a new performances video
At Orison on location where u have been, i have 119,6fps on hard locked 120fps settings...with 7800x3d, 4080 underclocked and 32gb 6000cl30 stock timings...
Im upgrading my cpu from 9900k to 12700k just for star citizen. 9900k does fine with my other games. In star citizen, I am averaging 35fps with the 9900k.
What memory do you use, you might just need to overclock the Memory and get way better results, which may keep you happy.
what a surprise +50% ram speed, give somewhat 50% fps :D
Speed isn’t the only factor you could have 8200 but have worse performance
u could, but most likely not@@user-hq9fp8sm8f
95% of games this wouldn't happen, but for SC it does and for such a high end PC it was such a missed important item
@@meowmeow2759 That’s because star citizen relies heavily on CPU based physics, AI, projection, ect and right now the render thread is slow.
A lot of people don’t even use good enough RAM with good speed/capacity/latency/rank there’s a bandwidth limit to meet and latency to lower
@@user-hq9fp8sm8f yes I'm well aware
I'll add a few comments. My laptop has a 13900HX and 64 GB ram but it's only running 5200 mhz it gets about 47 fps @ 1440p (yes you need more than 32 GB, you will top out at about 33 or 34) My regular rig is due for an upgrade but has a 10850K at 5.3 all core with DDR4 memory running at 4260 mhz (which is roughly 8500 mhz in DDR5) It also has a 4090. I run 4K vsync because that's what I like. After everything settles down, it runs a solid 60 FPS with the CPU at 85% and the GPU at 60-80%.. So yes, I agree memory speed is very important for Star Citizen. It's the main reason I overclocked my memory to 4260. Still sourcing parts for my upgrade, which will be a fully water cooled 14900k with 8000 mhz memory and a 4090. o7
I have almost the same as Olli has! 13900k, 64gb (4x16gb) 6200 MHz Corsair Dominator (stable at 5600 MHz), Strix Z790 egaming, Strix RTX 4090.
But stable RAM at 8200 MHz are very rare and not supportet on every Z790 Board
You dont tune a computer by switching out hardware....thats upgrading it. So do you have a video showing us how you get double the FPS that everyone else with the same hardware is getting?
TBH while Star Citizen is currently CPU limited it is much more likely to be bottlenecked by GPU in future as they are moving a ton of the workload onto the GPU with the Vulkan renderer and other engine improvements coming this year.
Well 60 fps is better than my 20.
That being said perhaps the time to spend another $2000 has come.
Your test literally means absolutely nothing without being able to replicate all of the exact same conditions including the server that you were on.
Why do you think that?
@@gamedaytoday1 Because the games FPS can be severely affected by a slow populated server.
If I am on a server by myself I am getting insane FPS but if I am on a server with 100 people many areas like planets are laggy and low FPS.
It is incredibly hard to do this type of test in SC because of the huge variation in experience due to the servers themselves not being optimized and so severely affected by traffic and server bugs.
@@realWorsin do you know why a populated server impacts your clients (PC) performance?
If you answer the question correctly, then you would know why this test is comparable.
You can definitely add a 5% margin of error, to this results. But you’re not saying that so…
Two things can be true at the same time. In this case a truth is a tuned pc drastically improves the FPS in star citizen whether the server is populated or not.
Currently enjoying Star Citizen at 4k resolution with the following:
ASUS TUF Gaming Z590 PLUS WFI LGA 1200 Intel Z590 motherboard.
Intel Core i9-11900KF 12th Gen Rocket Lake 8 Coe 3.5ggz LGA 1200.
128 GB Mushkin Enhanced Silverline DDR 3200 PC4 25600 RAM
CORSAIR HX1500 CP-90215-NA power supply
NVidia 3060 TI.
Star Citizen runs like a dream.
25 fps max?
@@Zombiesmoker 30 fps minimum.
@@battleangel5595 dude i have way better system and sometimes i drop down to 21 fps, but mostly im at 50-100 fps
Come on... you were running at a lower resolution than Olli's one. We can see the difference in the display info font size. It's obvious.
Damn the difference is so big in this game when you tune the ram. Thanks for sharing. I wonder us amd users that cannot do that high oc on ram how is the performance compared lol. I think max oc on ram with amd cpu is like 6000mhz?
What a joke, I get better frames than olli43 with my 7800X3D and a 6750XT plus 32gb of stock 6000Mhz DDR5.
because Intel is garbage, I also laughed at these tests
Sl the tune isn't changing computer settings, its having different parts?
ok i dont feel so bad now. I just got a new monitor and have been running the game in 4k and was only getting 50-60fps with my rig while in and around lorville, orison etc. 7950x, 7900xt, 64gb ddr5 in expo running at 6000. Granted I havent messed with anything. I havent touched my gpu/cpu clocks or even played around with my game settings yet.
which Win is better? Win 10 or Win 11?
Dude, it looks like Olie is using a different version of SC than you...or is he not?
Good video, are u testing different win11 versions? like u did with win10 which was a great vid aswell.
Soon
Now for the mind blowing reveal - my system is an 8-year old Novatech with AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 32GB DDR4 @ 2400MHz, and an MSI GTx1080 with 8GB DDR5 (not even a Ti) ... and the whole system is stock with no tuning or overclocking, I get very similar frame rates to Olli in the video.
No you totally not whit those specs..
@@Zombiesmokerdon't bet your pocket money on it.
Never buy a prebuilt. They short change the customer so they can increase profits. It's so easy to put together a great pc these days. Tons of information out there. You don't need to wait for the next greatest thing either. I put together a new pc in November 2023. At 4K, max settings, it gets 80 to 200+fps. No need to get more than 32G memory for Starcitizen. The most I've seen it use is 29. The cpu and gpu never get close to 100%. I did go with the fastest memory that was compatible with my motherboard. Don't just go with the highest DDR speed, get the best timing you can. As for the install drive I'd go with a PCIe 4 M.2. I was tempted to go with a PCIe 5, but didn't due to the cost increase.
5800x , 2060 6 GB, 32 GB 3600 MHz, 980 pro ssd . . . running 2k with 1% lows around 10 - 32 frames ;-D
Sorry to be negative, but lot of red flags here. There isn't enough data or control to determine causation. In general, faster clocked memory should result in higher framerates but not the framerates differences shown here. There are too many unknowns to say whether the builder did a poor job on the settings/configuration or there are a combination of other factors. And really, how many people have a 1440p monitor that's got over 144hz refresh without significant other drawbacks? Also, what is the tick rate of Star Citizen? Super high refresh rates can be problematic for the game. Lastly, Star Citizen is getting better, but every time you log in, performance and stability are a crap shoot, so this kind of comparison is largely pointless. I wouldn't make any purchasing decisions off of this video or off of Star Citizen performance.
You are wrong on every point you have made watch my controlled video here: ruclips.net/video/CITlrdWsaWE/видео.htmlsi=ciq_dlU5R77d2tbB
@gamedaytoday1 I agree with the general premise, and I apologize if that came across as dismissive as you are extremely knowledgeable, but I feel comfortable standing by my statement. I think the comparison here detracts from the excellent work you have done in other videos like the one you referred me to.
I don't have a similar system, not even close, but AFMF does some magic with my RX6800, OC memory to iirc 3433mhzw and just CL17, so not the best of memory OC, but not the worst and an ancient 2700x is getting similar fps to that Novatech build. 900 Dollar Build at todays prices. ;-)
1000 Dollar build with the much better 5800x3D which I still need to install.
And don't be fooled, for FPS combat, you 100% do not want just Fake Frames to boost up the smoothness because it's all just looking smooth but the underlying fps issues can still be felt when playing with mouse and keyboard, but for flying with joysticks ... seems absolutely fine to go with 60-90 fps native and just boost with with AFMF for smooth looking gameplay.
Hi. Whats the minimum spec to average 60 fps in cities? I have rtx 4080, 5800x and 32gb 3200mhz
You would need to overclock the memory and CPU. I made a video about it here: Star Citizen 5800X vs 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Unlocking Maximum FPS!
ruclips.net/video/vYaCB8Zi9vU/видео.html
OK, nice for this, but tell me how to optimize then 5800X3D with 32GB of 3.2GHz RAM?
Yes please help with optimizing PC
Let Ollie know
The i7 bottlenecks your 4090 24gb by 30%
Gotta upgrade that too i9 13000 series if not more.
Wtf 7200mhz is $100.00 now? It was $500.00 when I first bought a kit of A-die back in late 2022 on Newegg. There’s literally no excuse for having terrible ram then, that is cheap af
it's always those people with a good PC, who don't know how to use a PC
He did not build it, not his fault. It is novatech that is incompetent.
@@gamedaytoday1 Yea but this is so common today. So many people immediately go "MY 4090 DOESN'T GET 500FPS IN 4K THIS GAME IS ASS. " They don't even understand that there are other components in the system.
Wouldn't streaming and other background processes take a considerably high role in the processing?
He is recording the video, and using a second PC to stream. I am recording the video as well having OBS in the background losing 5% FPS and CapframeX in the background as-well.
Very impressive ! I have a kit of FF3D532G7200HC34ADC01 (A-die checked) on a MSI z790 Carbon Wifi. Do you think possible to attempt the 8200Hhz with a 14900kf or the motherboard is not enough stronger?
4 dimm motherboards can normally do 7200Mhz to 7800Mhz. You need to have a 2Dimm motherboard to get 8000Mhz+ like the Asus APEX.
I had to disable DOCP for the current patch :( cant touch my memory at all unless i want my gane to crash every 5 minutes, this is on a 7800x3d tho
What memory speeds are you trying to run it at?
@@gamedaytoday1 ran it at 6400 cl32 earlier, now I'm down to 6000 with default timings... at least the game doesn't crash anymore
Sounds like it was always unstable and the latest patch just put more stress on the system to reveal it. Worth trying again with higher voltages or other timing, would not know the exact issue without testing. @@ToddyS
@@ToddySi need to run my ram at 4600 otherwise my pc don’t boot anymore😢. But I’m using all 4 slots. Sadly with the first bios version it runs with 5800 but with every bios update it drops until now to 4600.
@@gamedaytoday1 Ye, the 7800x3ds arent exactly the best with memory to begin with either, been unstable but i dont dare go over 1.3 on SOC voltage, because.... well, boom! and @IntrEpidis you might know this already but when using high Ram speeds and tight timings on the 7800X3D in particular it can take sometimes up to a minute or more to get to the screen, the orange LED on the motherboard will be on the whole time (atleast on ASUS boards)
so how do you turn your machine? With the hardware you have?
I will share a DDR5 Tuning Guide in my discord soon
But Jay said JEDEC is enough!!!
could this help my 12600k not bottleneck my 4080 so much in sc?
I have the 5600mhz corsair vengeance kit, and my gpu basically is never getting utilized more than 50-60% :(
basically same performance as the 3070 i had before i got a pretty good deal for a used 4080
Unfortunately i can’t upgrade my cpu for now as im thermally limited in the itx case i got with only a 140mm aio
fast ram indeed helps, but to be honest Star citizen should not be such a perf hog, after all when u damage your ship all it does to the ship is to replace the undamaged ship model with a damaged ship model, it does not even have a real time damage model where the ship model actually crumbles like in a cad software.
Nice Content. I'm struggling with my RAM on Z690 ROG Maximus Hero with 13900K. I use Trident Z5 7600 32GB but only 7000 seems stable, do you think with manual tuning more is possible? How to start?
7200, 7400 Max with manual OC.
I only have DDR4 tuned up to 4000 right now Maybe I'll try messing with overclocking to see if I can get it till like 4500 or something
What are your timings?
Yeah DDR4 is completly different. DDR5 clocks higher yes but the timings are also almost double so the performance difference is less than you would think.
Unfortunately in 2021, thanks to Covid, I was only able to put together a “stripped down” system
Many things weren't available, so I had to go with an AMD 3800X and a 3070 and a Gigabyte MB that only accepts a maximum of 4200MHz OC ram sticks
what can I expect? I get 50-120 fps depending on the location
Tighten your timing
Not a lot fps with 4090 and in 2k maybe 4k fix it but here is a bottleneck in ram and cpu
I almost have same fps with tuned bios 7800x3d 64gb @6000 32-38-38-96 rtx 3060 but in 1080p as Olli43 shows
What about tuned 5800Mhz mem?
So I'm looking to do the 14900k, apex encore with a 8000mhz kit but which kit would you go for ? the Team T-Force Xtreem 48GB DDR5 8000 or the Patriot 48GB Viper Xtreme 5 DDR5 RGB 8000
T-Force
@@gamedaytoday1 appreciate you for the fast reply, Thankyou!
Does a 13900kf scale down on performance on fast gear 1 ddr4 ram in this game? (4000 is the fastest ddr4 ram in gear 1?)
Here is my DDR4 vs DRR5 comparisons
ruclips.net/video/CITlrdWsaWE/видео.html
if I have over 50fps on average, i'm good.
"Keep in mind I'm doing other things with my PC as well" sounds like a copout for shitty performance, to me.
Even a noob like me knows that 5600 DDR5 is garbage compared to even 6000, much less 8000. Why would anyone who plays SC even think about using 5600?
I get that it was a FREE PC from a SPONSOR, but they embarrassed themselves by putting such crappy ram in a top end PC. Why would ya? DEEEEERRRRRRRRP!!!!!
They must be morons. They really wasted an opportunity to show off how well that kit would run with higher quality DDR5. Most people will look at the price of expensive ram and say PASS.
However, when you see the difference in performance you dig into the pocket for a little more money because you can see the difference it makes, and it's a big difference.
They must be morons to have wasted such an opportunity to showcase the kit, and decided to go cheap on the ram. BAD decision.
hi i have an i9 and a 4090 i hit really good fps on other games .i don't believe it's just down to hardware and optimization on sc. the game seriously doesn't know how to allocate resources
This is true
They're working on the infrastructure as we speak
Wow I get the roughly the same frames as ollie on 4k lg c2 4090 12700k @5.2 with ddr4 3800mhz lol wtf
LoL I get more FPS than Oli in Loreville with everything set on high on my 5800x@4800Mhz/32GBDDR4/3060Ti but I have to admit that at 4800Mhz I have a jet engine on my desk instead of at computer tower XD XD XD
The alpha is not optimized for any systems lol this video is moot. I have a 4090 & 7800x3d with 32gig 6300mhz ddr5 and i can get anywhere from 40fps to over 200 depending on the server im on and where im at in the verse. When optimization like DLSS comes it will help a ton for lower spec machines. I cant wait to see where the game is in 5 years. You want unplayable fps you should of seen the 800 player server test yesterday 😅
Two things can be true at the same time.
1. Ollie’s system is in unoptimised due to the memory
2. Star Citizen is unoptimised
One of the things you can do sometimes about as you can see in this video. So point is moot.
Shared
is your AIO dead yet ?
What graphic settings?
1440p, all settings set to High. As Olli43 mentioned here, also I am recording straight to my PC he is offloading it to his streaming PC: ruclips.net/video/0rQEHWYVkvY/видео.htmlsi=C7gsZ9qAOD0KaLed&t=84
No shit Star citizen isn’t optimized. ITS IN APHA. RSI said it’s not optimized.
Two things can be true at the same time, without conflicting with each other.
1. Your PC is unoptimised
2. Star Citizen is unoptimised
One of them you can actually do something about.
and the server quality also can come into play and internet speed connection to the server. There is times my FPS is great in areas and the very next day same location is cant hardly reach 60fps@@gamedaytoday1 SC isnt a good judge of performance as its all over the place from server to server.
They aren't testing on the same server and not even with the same build. One is testing in May 2024 and the other in January 2025. Of course the game runs better almost a year later. This test is completely useless. It's not the memory, that makes the difference here.
I agree. I preach about RAM a lot about how it can make more of a difference than ppl think especially if fully tuned (primaries, secondaries, tertiaries, etc.) and on a 2x 24 GB Hynix A-die DDR5 kit or a 2x 16 GB Samsung B-die dual-rank DDR4 kit but even I can admit that you're not going to go from 160 fps to 250 fps from just RAM, that's ridiculous, lol.
Wrong Ollies video is 26 jan 2024 mine is 23 Mar 2024, correct yourself, that is 2 months. it is both SC 3.22. Also don't use the not the same server fallacy to explain away 50% performance difference. there is max 15% between the a bad server to a good server and it also depends on where you are and timing. I have done enough tests to see this.
Server FPS does not impact performance on your client it is actually how many NPCs that the server is spawning near you that your client needs to compute. I had a server with 5FPS and I know they don't impact my performance, I have done enough test to see this.
My controlled test I did in the past shows' 55% difference between 5600Mhz and 8200Mhz in star citizen.
ruclips.net/video/CITlrdWsaWE/видео.htmlsi=xm-LHaYo1c6Esp9r
Just try it for yourself.
@@Spinelli__ sounds like you know more, so just try it yourself.
but i want 56000 Mhz ram!
Its not as simple as its only memory related.
It is though, no?
He's not factoring in latency and servers health you can't replicate that. It's like doing a trick shot and expecting the same results. @@user-hq9fp8sm8f
So whats your SSD speed, cause fuck embty space.
pretty sure he plays on a samsung oled g9 ultra wide screen, which hammers fps
Little something you are overlooking, as the majority of gamers do! Especially when it comes to multiplayer games.
Even gets worse once you factor in peer to peer games, won't dive into that one as Star citizen is server/client (aka dedicated server servers)
Your ping time to a server is as fast as you will receive location data on other players in the game with absolutely no way around it.
Give you a breakdown of ping times needed to be "optimized" you'll notice these are exactly the same as frame times, intentionally, and only using two frame times, but yes could very much be broken down alot further no doubt about it.
16.7ms for 60fps
33.4ms for 30fps
Considering most have coax rather than fiber, average ping times are actually greater than 35ms, or slightly slower than a 30fps if they are located within the same region of the server and the ping will be much greater for those farther away. A physics thing and the users ultimate speed limit for communications between the client/server.
Many get speed confused with bandwidth, without getting into great detail just think of bandwidth being a big truck on the road compared with a car, the big truck carries more than that car, while going the exact same speed as that car.
Higher the rate of fps over and above the ping time to the server you are connected to the more unoptimized the client is, with two slight exceptions, draw more power which raises your electric bill and heat produced.
Other than those two exceptions, you will gain absolutely nothing.
The electric bill is a net loss, but beside the point.
Not as big of a deal as ping times but ultimately plays a factor as well. Star Citizen servers only do 15fps on a good day and for a very short amount of time.
Most of the time the servers are running 7fps or less.
Also who compares their FPS to anothers setup.
Go and untune your system and then make a comparision to make a statement about RAM speed.
That would be say more scientific.
Already have done that: ruclips.net/video/CITlrdWsaWE/видео.html&ab_channel=GameDay
Checkmate
Another great test showing how gimped some of the intel PCs are out there... no wonder they can say "7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming", because of these clueless people and their gimped intel PCs. 🤦♂
BTW I'm still waiting for the "Best Custom Windows 11" video from you. Also I wanted to let you know that your twitter/X handle does not appear in any X search and it's only reachable by direct link. Also why don't you advertise your new videos on X?
My Twitter handle is: @GameDay_RUclips . Should be working now. Best Custom Windows 11 is in the pipe, do you know how long time it takes to test these things? No wonder there is few people doing it
I'll get more active on Twitter
Any Twitter love is appreciated
@@gamedaytoday1Search is working now and I can find you on X.
@@gamedaytoday1I'll patiently wait for it then. 🙂
B but hes recording!
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I am recoding using OBS highest quality settings, losing roughly 5% similar to what Ollie meantioned
Just get the 7800x3D and forget about RAM speed or timings optimization
How so? i dont understand pc building not gonna lie, usually i just buy the good brands and smack them together lol
Better wait for the amazing Ryzen 8000 CPUs with Zen 5 cores.
7800x3D has a special memory on the CPU which benefits games greatly. This also means it does not require high speed RAM memory to reach the same level of performance, as the onboard 3Dvcache is much more efficient in supplying data to the CPU. All in all, with the 7800x3D you get the best performance, low power consumption and it does not require expensive high speed RAM to run. @@danielschmidt1990
When will they be released?@@nightspiderx1916
@@danielschmidt1990the 3D versions of AMD have large cache on-chip and are reported to be less sensitive to memory timing tuning
Oli 43 is probably the most irritating person ive ever come across.
Huh? No offense, but it's quite clear that you live a certain kind of life.
@@mattwilson9293 hes a manchild...
Nice video but don't try to defend the nonsense that the game isn't optimised 😂
Two things can be true at the same time:
1. Your PC is unoptimised
2. Star Citizen is unoptimised
One thing you can do something about so try not to defend the nonsense that you can't optimise your PC.
It's Olli so he it's just dumb not his fault lol
can you make build for low end pc build similar video to this @gamedaytoday1
If I get enough supporters