You see...while indeed you can say it's designed for 4K, I disagree. I do not think the resolution is the fault here, I think CPU's being too slow is the problem. A 1440p 360hz monitor is 1100 usd, which is more then a lot of 4k monitors, and 1440p 360hz is insanely hard to achieve, and only a 4090 amd 7900xtx can do that in call of duty multiplayer as an example. So yes, while 4k high refresg is finally possible thanks to the 4090, so is 1440p 360hz🙌
@@Beefy-Tech I mean...most people would not need a 1440p 360hz monitor....they can just get 1440p 240hz instead at a much lower price and you don't have to buy a 4090 for it...a 4080 is a more sensible card for people who crave high frame rates at 1440p at 360fps.
@@CasualG-mer yup. 4090 is overkill, and 240hz is even above what most people need. 360hz 1440p is for the 2% interested in the best of the best also.. But the 4090 can also do 240hz 4k, which is nuts. You pay a lot for it, but you definitely get crazy performance for the money👍
@@Beefy-Tech have you done the benchmark within modern warfare 2 to see how’s the bottleneck there I have a 4090 and i9-13900k and I’m at 4% cpu and 96% GPU average 261 fps and lows 195fps @1440p
Thanks fam. Trying to up the quality of the videos as we are speaking👍updated the overlay of MSI afterburner with individual labels, added the cpu usage (it was broken lol), and trying to get a streamlined set of games to test so it's not as random as it's been up until now for the tested games.
I mean the title could use some work, since it says “is there a bottleneck”. There will always be a bottleneck, so for me the title bothers the hell out of me :,)
Good stuff the 5800x3d I think at 1440p for even a 4090 is fine since those frames are already so high. It's nice that I can just plug in a 300$ 5800x3d into a 6 year old am4 system without going am5 and pair it with the latest GPUs like 4070ti, 4080, 4090, or at least even future 5070 5080... Not to mention the power draw of the 5800x3d is way below the newer gen cpus
@@aqwandrew6330 you will be flying most of the ppl say these cards and cpus are for 2k and up im going for this cpu and 7900xtx ppl say that gpu is great for 4k but i play on 1080p and ppl say its overkill nah better have good gpy for the future if i plan to buy 2k monitor
i use 500hz polling rate , honestly quake 3 pros have played on 125hz and have had insane inhumane reactions back in like 99, no need to clog your CPU with these cycles it will actually make ur game stutter and then what good is your 4000hz if you have stutter...
I turn to 1000hz on warzone and switch to 4000hz in games that surpass my monitor refresh (240hz) such as siege and mw2 multiplayer. Unfortunately warzone 2 just won't be able to take advantage of it anytime soon, but Multiplayer still manages quiet well👍
Exactly what I was going to say. When i did a lot of testing when I used to play a lot of call of duty I found the game felt better with the lower polling rates. The higher I went the more it effected the game and my scores in a negative way.
I’d be really interested to see the results for 3440x1440p. This resolution is becoming popular, It’s about a 3rd more demanding to run so looking at your results I think it will be but no way near as bas. I’d also be keen to see the differences in the results with a more common config using 3200/cl16 or 3600/cl18 with stock cpu settings.
I actually do want to do a test where I try DDR4 3200/3600 and my tuned 3800mhz kit with a 5800x3d in warzone 1 and 2. I have all the parts, but the 3600mhz kit is in my gf pc so I need a day where I can take her ram for testing😂😂😂
As for that resolution, I would only be able to test it with ingame selection of said resolution, meaning it wouldn't be native. I mean the overall assumption is it would be a middle ground between 2k and 4k.
@@Beefy-Tech the key takeaway from your video for me was that the gameplay was smooth and enjoyable. My plan is to buy a 4090FE and sell my 3090FE while it is still worth something this year. Then do a complete platform upgrade when the 8800x3d is released. That way I’m not having an expensive gpu upgrade in the same year. I mainly play warzone 2, but I do like to play games like Cyberpunk with all the eye candy turned on. I’m really looking forward to playing Hogwarts Legacy and Starfield soon. Have you got a video on tuning your ram? I’ll have a search. I have Corsair Dominator 3600/c18 currently but I’m sure I’ll be able to tune it. Not really had a need to so far, as the 5800x3d doesn’t have a problem with the 3090.
@@curtismariani6303 the thing is you will still get to enjoy a massive upgrade from 3090 to 4090 even without upgrading anything else. 5800x3d can draw 360fps+ in multiplayer mw2 and mw1. The throughput of it is strong enough where you won't ever really have a complaint with FPS you are getting. If you haven't already, I recommend trying PBO2 tuner with 5800x3d. An undervolt actually renders extra performance from 5800x3d, and I am going to do a video on it very soon as I think it's very much worth doing.
FWIW I upgraded from a 5800x to the 3d and found that the 5800x (non 3d) was bottle necking my RTX 3080 in warzone 2. Since the upgrade I've been maintaining 144fps at 1440p.
I had to "upgrade" my 5800x to a 13700k because it was such a stupidly hot CPU for the amount of power it's drawing. That and it was having weird USB/storage issues that I couldn't figure out
Just clicked on this video because I like looking at benchmark videos but I was not aware that a polling rate of a mouse could affect cpu usage. I learned something new, thank you!
I want to do a separate video on how that hurts cpu usage, but I decided to wait and get the 7950x3d because at 5800x3d level, losing 10% cpu usage in cod warzone 2 makes 4000hz unusable. 1000hz is more like 3% less usage when moving in warzone 2. In rainbow 6 siege, valorant, and ca go, 4000hz is perfectly reasonable to use though.
I’ll be honest I’ve got a 4090/5900x combo and I have no issues maxing out my 144hz 2K ultra wide monitor or my 120hz tv @4k. I suppose you could go higher on frame rates but I just can’t see it making any difference.
I have the 4080 and have no problems doing 2k at 165hz. 4090 at 2k even ultrawide, the 4090 is overkill. You should get a 13900k/7800x3d and a 4k monitor or swap for a 4080 and some cash your way
getting the 7950x3d on release specifically to test 4090, 6950xt, and in the future the 7900xtx (i need to sell some stuff cause this is getting expensive lmao). I will be posting a 4K resolution warzone 2 video as I believe some people want to see how 4k + competitive settings will do with this combination of hardware.
I plan to play both 4k 240hz and 1440p 360hz myself, but indeed I'm also waiting for the 7950x3d before making the upgrade to either monitor. Good choice of cpu 👍
Thank you for all the support! I'm new to this so I definitely didn't expect this video to do so well! Just wanna mention at 22 seconds into the video there is random blackout, I only noticed it after posting so do not worry, its not your PC that blacked out, just my editing bugged. Edit: Cpu usage not included due to a bug that shows my CPU usage to be 1-4% in the MSI afterburner overlay, I've fixed it in later videos and it's now included!
Youd be surprised Beefy. Mainstream creators focus mostly on single player titles. Theres heaps of room for decent cod/wz content focused on performance because we all want an edge in the heat of battle and the game is constantly changing. Freethy is another good creator that does cod/wz as well as optimisations.
@@qubes8728 TBH I like to focus battle Royales and multiplayer due to performance generally being more important there, as people want the edge in any situation! You will see the forza bench thrown in there often though as it's extremely easy to compare hardware performance with it as it's well optimized. Single player games you could get 60 fps and just not care, as it makes no difference unless you are a speedrunner xD.
@@Beefy-Tech Yeah that’s what I was saying. That’s why the video did better than you expected. Most of the mainstream stuff is focused on single player. Not much decent competitive stuff on RUclips but there’s a big audience for it especially system and game optimisation and settings as well as testing and benchmarks especially AMD v NVIDIA. I’m here for the cod/WZ content mate and I like your approach/style. You keep the vids coming and I’ll keep watching em😎 All the best with it.
@@dasboot5366 I have since fixed the issue with the usage and updated the UI for my latest video on the 6950xt+13700k. Will have a 4090 at 8K video going up soon with the improved UI.
That's why I put out a 4K resolution video with this exact combo👍 but 1440p 360hz is only achieved with a 4090, so there's a purpose for it too. 13900k and ryzen 7000 are too slow to achieve that, but im hoping ryzen 7000x3d allows 4090 to see that 300fps mark in warzone👍
The only reason I hould buy an RTX 4090 is for playing games at 4k in my OLED Tv 65 inch 120hz GSync compatible, if I had a 240hz monitor at 1440p I will buy the 3080ti or 3090 instead but maybe when the 4080ti camera will be a sweet spot..price/ performance on my Ryzen 5800X3D.
Unfortunately those gpu's can't actually run games such as warzone at 240hz 1440p as of season 2. The bare minimum gou for 1440p 240hz consistenly is either a 7900xt or 4080. To be fair, this does only apply to warzone, but being the main game I play I thought I'd mention that
You already know this, but for viewers, remember that the 5800x3d runs hot and could thermal throttle when paired with a 4090 - so make sure you have enough cooling, and undervolt if you are comfortable with that.
I'm doing a video just on this soon! What's funny is that the cooler the 5800x3d runs, the more stable and good the boost frequency is, meaning with an undervolt it actually performs better!
I'd doubt that to be honest. It's quake a game engine from the 90s. Be lucky to be pushing 1 core/ 2 threads above 10% usage. And the 4090 would be doing a lot of the math side so even less CPU usage. Most games even modern, will struggle to push more than 3 cores/ 6 threads. Hell getting more than 30% cpu usage would be really pushing the cpu these days lol. Just the way it is these days.
And on 4090 benchmarks for quake the fps is around 980 fps at 1440 resolution. But the problem is the monitor the fastest 1440hrz monitor is 550 fos so the utter max fps you'll ever get 550 fps any higher and the monitor simply dumps them, you'll never see any of those frames. Using lower end monitors is less fps.
These games you tested are ridiculously light, I doubt even with a full blown liquid nitrogen fully binned and overclocked 13900k you would be able to get rid of it, not to mention how marginal gains from 165 fps to 200 or 240 to 300 become.
First off dope vid bro 👍 Currently on a 2080 with a 5800X3D. Wanting to max out AM4, seems like a 3080 might be the move. What does the RUclips comment section think?
I ran the 5800x3d + 3080 for 8 months and I can say it's a beatiful combination! 5800x3d runs 3080 to its max with 0 problems. The 5800x3d can drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2, so anything up to that will always be full GPU usage or nearly full.
Thx for the video man you are explaining very well and i am happy that my plan of upgrading my am4 to 5800X3D and 32gb of dd4 and rtx 4080 might not be dumb. I hope you have a great day
You can turn down the rate on the mouse. I have to personally. My hands aren't as steady as they used to be. It's overly sensitive too. I don't see the reason for it. It picks up my heartbeat. It will pull my computer out of sleep for a truck driving by the house.
I was just experimenting with this, my spare rig has a 5600X and it can only get my 4090 to full usage at 4K with RT on in most games. Even my 12700K overclocked is not a match for the 4090 at 1440p, I usually see like 60-70% load on the GPU with everything maxed out.
Yup. I pushed 5800x3d to its max after this video and got about 15-20more fps with a -30 undervolt., but no cigar. Hoping 7950x3d improves the gpu usage in wz2
@@Beefy-Tech Yeah I'm waiting patiently for those to pop out instead of just slapping a 13900k in my main rig. Hopefully they're as good as the 5800x3D is!
Very good video! So for less than price of one 4090 I upgraded my entire PC to a 13700K/ RX 6950 XT/CL 32 6400 DDR5/Z690 MSI Unify-X ($1530) and get more FPS in WZ2.0 at 1440P. I really didn't see the value especially since I don't play 4K. Just a casual :)
@@qubes8728 no it does not all CPUs in market are weak af that,s why fool areas buying 4090 for 1440p and complaining about bottleneck lol (づ￣ 3￣)づ you need i9 13900ks at 6ghz all core then 4090 can stretch it,s legs at 1440p
I just uploaded a video on this Exact setup! No joke, using the same cl32 6400mhz ram kit even xD, but I overclocked it to 6800mhz cl34. I think ull enjoy the video, overall insane results from a pc that costs as much as a 4090😂😂😂
@@djsahilking3807 no complaints on 4090 myself, my cpu's are too slow to run it fully, but getting 7950x3d in hopes to at least match a 13900ks at full overclock, but we will see
Well , i am confident that the 7000 X3D will use an 4090 to 100% , its a 5 GHz Boost Clock to the 4,55 GHz of the 5800X3D and the Cores have an higher IPC . The two Chiplet 7900X3D and the 7950 X3D have an higher Boost clock of 5,6/5,7 GHz , but i am not sure if that chiplet without V-Cache will be used in Games . The shortest way to the 3D V-Cache has the chiplet direct beneath it and that should have the lowest Latency , the other one has to use the IF Fabric to access the V-Cache , i am not sure how good this will work
I too am extremely curious of how well the 7950x3d will work. I unfortunately am in a situation where I can't wait for 7800x3d and have to get the 7950x3d on release, so I hope it'll work exactly as intended and run crazy good.
You shouldn't be using 4 000 polling rate on a mice when your FPS say is running at 300 frames per second or in other words "polling" at 300 times per second. Pros and people that understand polling rate usually keep their mice at 500 or 400 polling rate so it's just a bit faster then the frames being generated instead of creating a bottleneck of polling rate from the mice versus frames being generated which is not the ideal situation. Your creating an issue. Companies want to make you think that a 4,000 or 6,000npolling mice is better than a 500-1000 polling rate mice to get your money. Set your mice between 400-500 polling rate and get better acturate shots off. The conclusion is, you don't want to click on the previous frame but the one shown since the polling rate is jammed in the queue. Nice video, cheers!
thanks, didn't fully understand the polling issue but I'll turn mine down. i think you're saying the high polling causes cpu load, exacerbates the bottleneck and therefore turn down
1000hz is fine, no need to go lower. I used a 4000hz polling rate mouse (razer viper pro v2) and just showed its not Worth using in warzone. I use the 4000hz polling rate in gpu bound games.
There's no CPU on the market that will not bottleneck 4090 at 1080p or 1440p... Game engines are just not well designed to utilize all of the CPU due to not enough fund/time to make it scalable across CPU ranges and utilize varying CPUs... SO usually 2 cores are hammered hard while the rest are kinda chill. Heck I'm using i5 11400 and even though i'm bottlenecking my RTX 3090 with DLSS quality... CPU is still nowhere near even 80%... usually it sits 10-30% and hogwarts goes to like 40-50% and i'm still seeing bloody 60-80% GPU utilization.
Dunno man and here's why, w/ 5950X and 3090ti @ 1440p .... same settings getting an avg 30-50 fps better on DMZ than your equipment which admittedly makes no Damn sense with the addition of the 5800x3d I gained around 10-15 fps with an avg of 280 fps @ max settings. Also w/ 3600cl14 ram. Your thoughts?
Rough to tell to be honest. I am uncertain of what would be enabled on your end. Here's the thing, I own a 5600x, 5800x3d and 13700k. With 13700k and a ddr5 6800mhz kit and a 5.6ghz oc, 13700k is 5-10FPS faster then 5800x3d (even when 5800x3d has the UV applied). Meaning that setting for setting, a 13700k winning by a bit in warzone would make sense. As for a 5950x being significantly faster, I am not sure. I used to own a 5900x prior to 5800x3d and the 5800x3d is definitely faster then that one, but I guess it comes down to if you are using AMD FSR or DLSS, how late in the match you record the data, and what part of the map you are on. As an example, by police station near al mazraah city, I see 240-260FPS, and by Sawah village it's more like 200-220. The later in a match the data is recordered, the higher the FPS as there's less people on the map, and on warzone BR, the gas covers the map over time also increasing fps. But if you are getting 250+fps no problem, don't change your settings, cause you are clearly doing something right 🤣👍👍👍
in call of duty can you use DSR to it's highest option and then use dlss quality or balanced. that should be a 8k render resolution i think or higher. improving the quality and might take away all the cpu bottle neck.
I'm looking to buy the 5800x3D in the future. I'm pretty sure paired with a 4070ti at 1440p the bottlenecks won't be that big, if there's any... thank you for the video, very informative ! 👍
Do you think ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 4090 both heavily optimized and 32gb ram heavily tuned 1000hz polling rate at 1080p will bottleneck because I have a 240hz 1080p and I enjoy 1080p and mostly play fortnite,rainbow 6 siege and gta5 (fivem)
I see you learnt from framechasers, hes the guy that got me into tuning ram too, i have an 10700k, 3080 and 4x8 bdie tuned and every game is silky smooth now that i have bdie although warzone 2 is the only game i have issues with in terms of stuttering and not being able to maintain 180+ fps so i hope the game gets better as theres litetally nothing i can do to get more fps
Warzone is cruel to CPU's 10700k os a great cpu, but warzone's cpu throughput consistency is shit, so ull experience big differences in FPS based on parts of the map.
Bro thats a nice benchmark but why did u not put the Rivatuner/MSI stats from cpu too? Theres games that because of the engine the cpu+gpu bottlenecks at the same time. MW2 have this limits so u are running like 80% on cpu and 70% on gpu, this by no means that the cpu is bottlenecking
I have updated msi afterburner since this video to reflect absolutely everything regarding necessary data. To clarify for this benchmark, cpu sits at 30-40% most of the time, never spikes above or below. The bottleneck comes directly from the cpu throughput (Maximum fps it can achieve) being much lower then a 4090s within warzone 2, and it wasn't linked to the CPU usage here, but I do realize now I shouldof included it to begin with, I just forgot, and fixed it in later video👍
every single cpu on the market right now will bottleneck a 4090 at lower resolutions competitive settings even a 13900k, we will have to wait for faster x3d chips or new intel chips in the future to fully unlock its performance at lower resolutions
Yup! Hoping 7000x3d is enough to at least mostly use a 4090. I personally doubt it'll use a 4090 at 100% all the time because games like warzone are poorly optimized. One part of the map will get 70% usage, one will get 50% usage out of gpu, and you can't really control that.
Because being cpu bottlenecked isn't the que to upgrade resolution, it's the que to get a better cpu. 4090 can even do 8k, but I play competitive shooters mostly, so 4k is useless for those.
That movement lag happens all the time on AMD... AMD IPC is garbage compared to Intel... It can't keep up with loading in new data in warzone / DMZ... Are you running DLSS?
Just stumbled over your channel, i guess i'm a little bit late but in case you read this: great video, i subbed. As for the CPU: currently i'm using it on my alienware AW3420DW with 3440x1440p 120hz paired with a 3080ti FE... it's an amazing combo, but the powerdraw of Highend Ampere GPUs is awful, especially if you live in Europe these days. I was thinking about upgrading to a 4080 or 4090, which one would you recommend? I mainly play Singleplayer Games and want to reach that 120fps constanly but at the same time i want my system to run as efficient as possible (undervolting). What would you recommend?
Hello, it's good you have a clear goal in mind, and taking into account your CPU, the 4080 would more then suffice for what you play and the refresh rate you are looking for. The advantage the 4090 would have us how future proof it is. If you were to buy a 4090 for your current rig it'd be significantly overkill, and even at 50% power target ud have 90% of the 4090s performance. But if you do a full system update including monitor, let's say to a future 8800X3D cpu, and a 4K 240hz monitor (which already exists and will become common in a couple years) the 4090 is currently capable of doing 4K 240fps in Warzone 1, Warzone 2, and other multiplayer games. And it's capable of 4k 120+Fps in single player Ultra preset games (with a couple exceptions ofc). 4080 is about 30-35% slower overall,but would be more then enough for years to come.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you for your quick answer :D I guess I will buy a 4090 based on your explaination because 400€ more or less for 30-35% more performance plus the possibility to simply upgrade the CPU in the future and gain even more FPS is tempting enough for me. Just one more question: would you say it's sufficient enough to just buy one of the cheapest models of the 4090? Or would you rather go for a premium model like the cards from Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte due to their overclocking potential? I'm not really convinced that buying a Strix card with a high power limit makes any sense, because it seems like there's minimal to zero performance gains by increasing the stock power limit from 450w to 600w... what's your take on that topic?
@@normaldude5960 I have a generic "Low end" 4090 with a 450watt limit Inno 3D ichill and it makes absolutely no difference in 9/10 situations, except fan noise, and looks. Warzone 2 it uses 300 watts while Paired with a 7950x3d. meaning in multiplayer games youll never be at power limit. Worst cases that ive seen are Dying Light 2 4K Ultra Ray tracing, which uses 430watts while overclocked...but even then it didn't hit power limit. And at 8K res In Need For Speed Unbound it hit power limit of 450watts, but that's 8K Resolution, so it's expected. I'd say buy what looks best, because all of them will do pretty much the same thing, but just for your knowledge the Coil Whine on some models is worse then other models, I just don't know exactly which have more or less coil whine, so ull have to research.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you, that helps a lot. :D Yeah, I think i will watch some reviews, in my country the Palit Gamerock is currently the cheapest model, so yeah... I don't really care about RGB or the optics in general, i just want silent fans, minimal coil whine and a good power-to-performance-ratio. Anyway, thank you for your time and opinion on that, have a great weekend. :D
Earned a sub from me hard to find people talk about 4000hz polling rate. Hoping to see some 7000 3D content. Planning to upgrade from my 5950X/3600mhz 14-14-12-12 for my 1440p 360hz monitor!
That 7000x3d will be great for pushing the 360hz refresh rate! And yes, 4000hz polling rate is great, I threw it in there as a bonus test as I just got it then xD I'm making a full video on polling rate once I too have a 360hz monitor to test on.
@@Beefy-Tech ahhh… nice! Not bragging but I have a 7.1.4 Home Theater so horror games are a huge hit with me. Callisto Protocol and Dead Space remake have the best sound I’ve heard. I’ve been doing Home Theater for a long time
@@m4nc1n1 the 4k 85 inch TV + home theater surround setup is as good as it gets for those type of games. If you like dead space definitely try Alien Isolation, although you probably have already xD
It would be nice to see it with 1% lows and 0.1% lows and with frametime chart, avg fps tells nothing, great effort but we need more metrics, the 4000hz pooling rate issues it's not for the mouse it's because of the AMD cpu, I don't have that issue with a 12700K or with the 10900k or the 12900KS with the properly tuned ram, 7 to 10% drops are unacceptable and the problem gets worst with the non-3D chips because of the latency bean so slow and you do not have the big cache to back it up...
Updated the charts in later videos. I recognize they weren't ideal here, and neither was the testing methodology. I'll do a separate video clarifying the polling rate cpu performance hit as I have both intel and ryzen cpu's available to test 👍
Ehh not that helpful because you only have the graphics card and ram info on riva stats. Next time you should also put CPU info as well, so we can also see the CPU usage and the power consumption of the cpu. Also would have been nice to see the wattage of the 4090.
Hey Beefy! I have an RTX 3080 and currently running an i7 8700k at 1440p I realized it is being bottlenecked and I am having to decide my next cpu to upgrade to.... while I am sure the 5800x3D will be FINE paired with a 3080 at 1440p at the same time I do want to future proof my rig, if in the coming years if I upgrade to a 4080/90.... What are your thoughts and do you have any CPU recommendations for me? Thanks again 👊
5800x3d will drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2. Remember, warzone 2 is one of the most cpu bottlenecked games out there, so if it runs wz2 ir runs anything. If you plan to move to 40 series or 50 series without needing a upgrade, I recommend going straight to AM5 with the 7800x3d (which comes out april) or any other 7000x3d cpu, and a kit of ddr5 6000-6200mhz ram. If u wanna do the easiest upgrade for up to a 3090ti/6950xt 5800x3d is perfect and much cheaper.
@@AshtonsPTW I do not know yet, but I will test it day 1. I bought a ddr5 kit that can do 6800mhz cl34, but also 6200mhz cl28, meaning I should be able to test what affect ram has once I receive the 7000x3d cpu.
@@AshtonsPTW 5800X3D wasn't that picky about memory speeds because of the large cache. You could do with cheaper 3200MHZ CL16. It will be interesting to see if the same thing applies to 7800X3D. Generally about 6000MHz is the sweet spot for AMD 70 series.
Awesome content brother, straight to the point but well explained without rushing. Keep it like this and you will grow. Thanks for the video, I was asking exactly this matter; suscribed!
Does tuning the ram/not having an amazing ram kit for warzone have a large effect when paired with the 5800x3d? I thought this was only the case with intel.
would love to see the video redone with aaa story games only at 4k with manually maximized settings (and if raytracing is available also manually maximized in separate tests). i guess there's no way a 5800x3d would bottleneck at this settings, but would still be a nice experiment. because these are settings and games i as a 2000€ card owner really play.
I did do a short 4K test with forza at extreme and dying light 2 on high, its one of my newer videos. At 4k very few games will make a 4090 hit below 60fps, only ones I know off are cyberpunk and hogwarts legacy atm.
@@Beefy-Tech yeah would still be a nice video buddy. btw there are more 60fps 4090 games like dead space remake and some more. btw check out the video "force-enabling resizable bar on nvidia gpus | rebar on vs off". some games don't use rebar unless forced and that gives a good fps boost. you can work this knowledge into your videos.
a few other bits that might possibly improve frame rates is a gen 4 ssd and direct storage . Just seeing storage usage in MB/s (In monitoring in MSI Afterburner HDD read and write rates) could allow to know if that's even a problem vs a crystal disk mark score or some other testing software for drive speeds.
This testing was done with cod on a 7000/5000mb WD black ssd with included heatsink, and the recording was saved on secondary nvme which is a gen 3 2500/2000 ssd.
It's literally exactly what you are hearing. This is a 5800x3d, performs more stable at lower voltages and heat, and Undervolt unironically increases performance at the cost of possible stability issues, but those you solve with thorough testing of said undervolt. If you have trouble believing that, I'll give you my discord and show you in 2 minutes within a warzone match what difference it makes👍
@@Beefy-Tech I have no interest in your discord nor am I 12 for "1v1 me bro" undervolting your CPU makes it more efficient, not more powerful. For a good cooler and a proper case it is not necessary.
@@DenienN I was just willing to demonstrate the performance increase. If you do not wish to see it it's fine, but please watch someone else's video on undervolting a 5800x3d if you do not believe me, as they will more then likely show similar results.
I seem to be doing better in DMZ with 13900k but worse in MP. Maybe it's because there are indeed some spots in MP where my GPU is at 99% at 3440x1440 even with optimized settings. Gonna need a 4090ti/5090 to max out the 13900k i guess
13900k is easily superior, but what ram and overclock you have on it makes all the difference...I pushed my 13700k to 5.6ghz p cores, and because I only had ddr5 6000 ram, it was still 10 fps slower then 5800x3d. I bought a kit of 6400mhz, tuned to 6800mhz cl34, and now 13700k is 10fps faster then 5800x3d in warzone 2 (don't know how this scales in other games, only tested in warzone)
@@Beefy-Tech My 13900k couldnt reach 5.6 ghz lol. meanwhile my old 13700k can do 5.7 and 5.8 with reasonable temps (6.0 with TVB was possible). Even at 5.8 the 13700k was slower than 5.5ghz 13900k by around 10-15% in mw2 and warzone 2.
That is weird.. I used you exact same graphics settings for COD. I run a 13700k + 4090 + 6400 d5. But I only got less than 300frames on the same map… Any idea why is that?
When ever you said "cpu bottlenecked" I believe it would be "cpu bound" because cpu bottleneck would mean the GPU isn't fast enough for the cpu. Good video besides from that! Correct me if Imm wrong as well!
Yes, but if you pay 1600USD for a 4090, u might aswell get a 450 dollar higher end cpu vs a 300 dollar cpu as money becomes far less of an object when you are anyway spending 3000 + USD on a rig, and dishing out the extra 150-300 might actually render 50-80+ FPS in cpu bound scenerio's 👍
@@Richdadful if it's just for mining then yes, but ofc the purpose makes all the difference. You can buy a 5800x3d for 1440p with a 4090, but ur 4090 will run at 50% usage most of the time even at ultra settings.
Indeed. I know even framechasers delidded 13900ks on liquid metal and full custom loop with 6ghz all core oc was bottlenecking a stock 4090 in warzone 2 xD. It's nuts what it takes to run an rtx 4090 to it full potential.
@@Mr11ESSE111 xD indeed. What's funny is that a 7900xtx + maxed out 13900ks is a perfect match as 13900ks with max overclock maxes out a 7900xtx in warzone, just not a 4090.
I have a 5800x and my objetive is 1440p 75fps with grafics at max ray tracing and all will you think that is enough for a gtx 4090, i dont play to buy that card but rumors goe that the rtx 5080 will be very close to the 4090 and i am planning on upgrading muy 3080 to 5080, will i be fine with my cpu?
Good video. The expression is "Buttload" NOT what you said. It's an old English measure of capacity of a heavy cart (a butt) that was pulled by horses.
Lmao yes, I'm aware of the expression, wasnt aware where it originated from, thanks for letting me know though👍🤣 took the liberty of modifying it slightly for the sake of getting my opinion of the FPS across more... expressively xD
I don't think you will have any issues because cpu bottleneck is to do with cpu throughput. Unless you run sim racing and use all 4k monitors simultaneously in said game, I think the bottleneck will be 4090. Easiest way to tell if u have a cpu bottleneck is to check out your gpu usage while playing a game you know to be gpu demanding... let's say you are playing fh5 and are seeing 85% gpu usage, then it's likely your cpu can't throughput enough fps to satisfy the 4090 (but very unlikely on your setup).
@@Beefy-Tech Yes you are right. I did some checkup using MSI After Burner to monitor the GPU usage. While running 12288 x 2160, it did hit 99% mark most of the time, occasionally it drops to 85% for 1 second. Well explain and great channel. subscribed
You need to use more hardware demanding games for this specific video. If you can, try the same video with Flight Simulator, Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead Redemption 2, these are power consuming games as far as I know.
I want to use Red Dead Redemption. But I am considering to separate the videos into 3 Multiplayer/BR games and 3 Single play games just to simplify and standardize the testing. I want to do Wz2, Apex, and PUBG for Multiplayer, and Forza, Dying light 2 and Red dead for Single player. I think game specific tests will come too, but I mainly am a warzone player so my focus is towards that game.
4090 is the very first card I can take seriously for 4K...thats what it was designed for
You see...while indeed you can say it's designed for 4K, I disagree. I do not think the resolution is the fault here, I think CPU's being too slow is the problem.
A 1440p 360hz monitor is 1100 usd, which is more then a lot of 4k monitors, and 1440p 360hz is insanely hard to achieve, and only a 4090 amd 7900xtx can do that in call of duty multiplayer as an example.
So yes, while 4k high refresg is finally possible thanks to the 4090, so is 1440p 360hz🙌
@@Beefy-Tech I mean...most people would not need a 1440p 360hz monitor....they can just get 1440p 240hz instead at a much lower price and you don't have to buy a 4090 for it...a 4080 is a more sensible card for people who crave high frame rates at 1440p at 360fps.
@@CasualG-mer yup. 4090 is overkill, and 240hz is even above what most people need. 360hz 1440p is for the 2% interested in the best of the best also..
But the 4090 can also do 240hz 4k, which is nuts.
You pay a lot for it, but you definitely get crazy performance for the money👍
@@Beefy-Tech 4k 240hz...yup, that is the 4090's job.
@@Beefy-Tech have you done the benchmark within modern warfare 2 to see how’s the bottleneck there I have a 4090 and i9-13900k and I’m at 4% cpu and 96% GPU average 261 fps and lows 195fps @1440p
Good informative content. No fluff, No click bait… subscribed. Keep it up and this channel will grow exponentially.
Thanks fam. Trying to up the quality of the videos as we are speaking👍updated the overlay of MSI afterburner with individual labels, added the cpu usage (it was broken lol), and trying to get a streamlined set of games to test so it's not as random as it's been up until now for the tested games.
I mean the title could use some work, since it says “is there a bottleneck”. There will always be a bottleneck, so for me the title bothers the hell out of me :,)
Good stuff the 5800x3d I think at 1440p for even a 4090 is fine since those frames are already so high. It's nice that I can just plug in a 300$ 5800x3d into a 6 year old am4 system without going am5 and pair it with the latest GPUs like 4070ti, 4080, 4090, or at least even future 5070 5080... Not to mention the power draw of the 5800x3d is way below the newer gen cpus
how about 1080 gaming?
@@aqwandrew6330 you will be flying most of the ppl say these cards and cpus are for 2k and up im going for this cpu and 7900xtx ppl say that gpu is great for 4k but i play on 1080p and ppl say its overkill nah better have good gpy for the future if i plan to buy 2k monitor
@@ItzDnZ this is the way. But i never will buy 2k monitor because i hate 27 inch, its too big
@@aqwandrew6330 yeah gotcha
Ong dude
why didn't you add cpu stat in afterburner ?
I just bought this combo but I got it for 4k gaming on a 144hz monitor. This was still very informative. Great video!
I put out a 4K resolution video on the 4090 if you are interested, and tomorrow I'm doing an 8K video too👍
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks!
@@stevejohnson6248 is there bottleneck?
@@f.f.2260 There is always a bottleneck of some sort, at 4k it's gpu bound. With DLSS I'm getting over 100fps on Cyberpunk with max RT on.
Me too
i use 500hz polling rate , honestly quake 3 pros have played on 125hz and have had insane inhumane reactions back in like 99, no need to clog your CPU with these cycles it will actually make ur game stutter and then what good is your 4000hz if you have stutter...
I turn to 1000hz on warzone and switch to 4000hz in games that surpass my monitor refresh (240hz) such as siege and mw2 multiplayer.
Unfortunately warzone 2 just won't be able to take advantage of it anytime soon, but Multiplayer still manages quiet well👍
Exactly what I was going to say. When i did a lot of testing when I used to play a lot of call of duty I found the game felt better with the lower polling rates. The higher I went the more it effected the game and my scores in a negative way.
Holy shit dude, i like your test style, easy and straight to the point. You won my subscription !!!
I’d be really interested to see the results for 3440x1440p. This resolution is becoming popular, It’s about a 3rd more demanding to run so looking at your results I think it will be but no way near as bas. I’d also be keen to see the differences in the results with a more common config using 3200/cl16 or 3600/cl18 with stock cpu settings.
I actually do want to do a test where I try DDR4 3200/3600 and my tuned 3800mhz kit with a 5800x3d in warzone 1 and 2. I have all the parts, but the 3600mhz kit is in my gf pc so I need a day where I can take her ram for testing😂😂😂
As for that resolution, I would only be able to test it with ingame selection of said resolution, meaning it wouldn't be native. I mean the overall assumption is it would be a middle ground between 2k and 4k.
@@Beefy-Tech the key takeaway from your video for me was that the gameplay was smooth and enjoyable. My plan is to buy a 4090FE and sell my 3090FE while it is still worth something this year. Then do a complete platform upgrade when the 8800x3d is released. That way I’m not having an expensive gpu upgrade in the same year. I mainly play warzone 2, but I do like to play games like Cyberpunk with all the eye candy turned on. I’m really looking forward to playing Hogwarts Legacy and Starfield soon. Have you got a video on tuning your ram? I’ll have a search. I have Corsair Dominator 3600/c18 currently but I’m sure I’ll be able to tune it. Not really had a need to so far, as the 5800x3d doesn’t have a problem with the 3090.
@@curtismariani6303 the thing is you will still get to enjoy a massive upgrade from 3090 to 4090 even without upgrading anything else. 5800x3d can draw 360fps+ in multiplayer mw2 and mw1. The throughput of it is strong enough where you won't ever really have a complaint with FPS you are getting.
If you haven't already, I recommend trying PBO2 tuner with 5800x3d. An undervolt actually renders extra performance from 5800x3d, and I am going to do a video on it very soon as I think it's very much worth doing.
@@Beefy-Tech I’ve subscribed so will keep an eye out for that.
So basically that CPU with 4080 and 3440x1440 is perfect.
But the 4090 can last for 4+ years on 1440p
The 7900xtx matches the 4080 and is around 300 bucks cheaper its a no brainer
@@goldminer8732 Unless You like VR games or 4K RT Single player games due to frame gen. Which is my usecase :)
@@stormrider01so can a 4080…
@@stormrider01 Stop the cap. in 4 years the 4090 will be getting low end performance like say a XX50 or XX60 series card performance
FWIW I upgraded from a 5800x to the 3d and found that the 5800x (non 3d) was bottle necking my RTX 3080 in warzone 2. Since the upgrade I've been maintaining 144fps at 1440p.
Ah, such a dedicated player.
I'll take that extra 5800x off your hands for some 1080P gamp play. 😇
I had to "upgrade" my 5800x to a 13700k because it was such a stupidly hot CPU for the amount of power it's drawing. That and it was having weird USB/storage issues that I couldn't figure out
@@SlimedogNumbaSixty9 damn PC nerds.
They will spend 1800 bucks on a gpu but wont fork over 100 to get a cpu cooler.
pffft
The 5800x3d is insane for siege and ubisoft titles in general
Also in rust too
@@frxxdqm8980yup. cpu intensive games that’s why.
Just clicked on this video because I like looking at benchmark videos but I was not aware that a polling rate of a mouse could affect cpu usage. I learned something new, thank you!
I want to do a separate video on how that hurts cpu usage, but I decided to wait and get the 7950x3d because at 5800x3d level, losing 10% cpu usage in cod warzone 2 makes 4000hz unusable.
1000hz is more like 3% less usage when moving in warzone 2.
In rainbow 6 siege, valorant, and ca go, 4000hz is perfectly reasonable to use though.
@@Beefy-Tech I use 16,000 corsair nightsword what is the effect would you think ?
I’ll be honest I’ve got a 4090/5900x combo and I have no issues maxing out my 144hz 2K ultra wide monitor or my 120hz tv @4k. I suppose you could go higher on frame rates but I just can’t see it making any difference.
I have the 4080 and have no problems doing 2k at 165hz.
4090 at 2k even ultrawide, the 4090 is overkill. You should get a 13900k/7800x3d and a 4k monitor or swap for a 4080 and some cash your way
@@GregoryShtevenshwhat about 4070 ti super
@genlongtsang1093 they're excellent cards from what I hear. Again really all you'd need for 1440p
@@GregoryShtevensh i play at 4k can 4070 ti super play at 4k with 5800x3d?
i like your analysis dude, will look forward to your testings if u ever get a 7000X3D Cpu.
getting the 7950x3d on release specifically to test 4090, 6950xt, and in the future the 7900xtx (i need to sell some stuff cause this is getting expensive lmao). I will be posting a 4K resolution warzone 2 video as I believe some people want to see how 4k + competitive settings will do with this combination of hardware.
@@Beefy-Tech do you think the 7800x3d will pair good with 7900XTX for MW2 for 240hz 1440p?
Warzone 2.0 just has terrible optimization. The bottleneck exists at the App Dev level..
If you get a 4090 you should play at 4k. I have a 5800x3d and a 4090 but gonna upgrade to a 7950x3d when it comes out.
I plan to play both 4k 240hz and 1440p 360hz myself, but indeed I'm also waiting for the 7950x3d before making the upgrade to either monitor. Good choice of cpu 👍
Me2
There is always a bottleneck. The question is which component
game optimization
biggest bottleneck are the monitors. it doesn't matter if you're getting 1000 fps, you're still capped by monitor refresh rate
Thank you for all the support! I'm new to this so I definitely didn't expect this video to do so well!
Just wanna mention at 22 seconds into the video there is random blackout, I only noticed it after posting so do not worry, its not your PC that blacked out, just my editing bugged.
Edit:
Cpu usage not included due to a bug that shows my CPU usage to be 1-4% in the MSI afterburner overlay, I've fixed it in later videos and it's now included!
Youd be surprised Beefy. Mainstream creators focus mostly on single player titles. Theres heaps of room for decent cod/wz content focused on performance because we all want an edge in the heat of battle and the game is constantly changing. Freethy is another good creator that does cod/wz as well as optimisations.
@@qubes8728 TBH I like to focus battle Royales and multiplayer due to performance generally being more important there, as people want the edge in any situation!
You will see the forza bench thrown in there often though as it's extremely easy to compare hardware performance with it as it's well optimized.
Single player games you could get 60 fps and just not care, as it makes no difference unless you are a speedrunner xD.
@@Beefy-Tech Yeah that’s what I was saying. That’s why the video did better than you expected. Most of the mainstream stuff is focused on single player. Not much decent competitive stuff on RUclips but there’s a big audience for it especially system and game optimisation and settings as well as testing and benchmarks especially AMD v NVIDIA. I’m here for the cod/WZ content mate and I like your approach/style. You keep the vids coming and I’ll keep watching em😎 All the best with it.
It's because of the windows update. MS broke monitoring on AMD processors, I don't know about Intel.
@@dasboot5366 I have since fixed the issue with the usage and updated the UI for my latest video on the 6950xt+13700k.
Will have a 4090 at 8K video going up soon with the improved UI.
4090 + 7900x and 5600 mhz ram, averaging about 170 fps at warzone no matter the settings, everything possible is updated, hoping i am not the only one
Best thing you can do is switch to 7900x3d/7950x3d, ull see the best results for least amount of effort that way.
I have a 4K/144 monitor. With a RTX 4090 and a R7 5800X3D.
The 4090 is a 4K high fps card. No normal person would play in 1440p with a RTX 4090 in 4K.
That's why I put out a 4K resolution video with this exact combo👍 but 1440p 360hz is only achieved with a 4090, so there's a purpose for it too. 13900k and ryzen 7000 are too slow to achieve that, but im hoping ryzen 7000x3d allows 4090 to see that 300fps mark in warzone👍
Same
The only reason I hould buy an RTX 4090 is for playing games at 4k in my OLED Tv 65 inch 120hz GSync compatible, if I had a 240hz monitor at 1440p I will buy the 3080ti or 3090 instead but maybe when the 4080ti camera will be a sweet spot..price/ performance on my Ryzen 5800X3D.
Unfortunately those gpu's can't actually run games such as warzone at 240hz 1440p as of season 2. The bare minimum gou for 1440p 240hz consistenly is either a 7900xt or 4080. To be fair, this does only apply to warzone, but being the main game I play I thought I'd mention that
You already know this, but for viewers, remember that the 5800x3d runs hot and could thermal throttle when paired with a 4090 - so make sure you have enough cooling, and undervolt if you are comfortable with that.
I'm doing a video just on this soon! What's funny is that the cooler the 5800x3d runs, the more stable and good the boost frequency is, meaning with an undervolt it actually performs better!
Just put out a video on 5800x3d undervolting👍
I'd doubt that to be honest.
It's quake a game engine from the 90s.
Be lucky to be pushing 1 core/ 2 threads above 10% usage.
And the 4090 would be doing a lot of the math side so even less CPU usage.
Most games even modern, will struggle to push more than 3 cores/ 6 threads. Hell getting more than 30% cpu usage would be really pushing the cpu these days lol.
Just the way it is these days.
And on 4090 benchmarks for quake the fps is around 980 fps at 1440 resolution.
But the problem is the monitor the fastest 1440hrz monitor is 550 fos so the utter max fps you'll ever get 550 fps any higher and the monitor simply dumps them, you'll never see any of those frames.
Using lower end monitors is less fps.
Is it difficult to undervolt the 5800X3D? Could it potentially hurt the CPU?
These games you tested are ridiculously light, I doubt even with a full blown liquid nitrogen fully binned and overclocked 13900k you would be able to get rid of it, not to mention how marginal gains from 165 fps to 200 or 240 to 300 become.
Crazy that my 3070ti/5800x3d gets up to 180fps in DMZ with settings slightly higher than shown. My average 150 constant.
Yup, I did a video on the 3070 recently and found it to easily average 150fps at 1440p!
lol, the colorful commentary deserves a thumbs up.
First off dope vid bro 👍 Currently on a 2080 with a 5800X3D. Wanting to max out AM4, seems like a 3080 might be the move. What does the RUclips comment section think?
got 3080 and want to add 5800x3d to that (currently on r5 3600) ... I think it will be good combo.
I ran the 5800x3d + 3080 for 8 months and I can say it's a beatiful combination! 5800x3d runs 3080 to its max with 0 problems.
The 5800x3d can drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2, so anything up to that will always be full GPU usage or nearly full.
@Beefy Tech thats good news, thanks for the response homie have a good one
Thx for the video man you are explaining very well and i am happy that my plan of upgrading my am4 to 5800X3D and 32gb of dd4 and rtx 4080 might not be dumb. I hope you have a great day
You can turn down the rate on the mouse. I have to personally. My hands aren't as steady as they used to be. It's overly sensitive too. I don't see the reason for it. It picks up my heartbeat. It will pull my computer out of sleep for a truck driving by the house.
I was just experimenting with this, my spare rig has a 5600X and it can only get my 4090 to full usage at 4K with RT on in most games. Even my 12700K overclocked is not a match for the 4090 at 1440p, I usually see like 60-70% load on the GPU with everything maxed out.
Yup. I pushed 5800x3d to its max after this video and got about 15-20more fps with a -30 undervolt., but no cigar. Hoping 7950x3d improves the gpu usage in wz2
@@Beefy-Tech Yeah I'm waiting patiently for those to pop out instead of just slapping a 13900k in my main rig. Hopefully they're as good as the 5800x3D is!
Very good video! So for less than price of one 4090 I upgraded my entire PC to a 13700K/ RX 6950 XT/CL 32 6400 DDR5/Z690 MSI Unify-X ($1530) and get more FPS in WZ2.0 at 1440P. I really didn't see the value especially since I don't play 4K. Just a casual :)
I’m an nvidia guy but play cod/wz. It’s crazy how the Radeon cards perform in that title. I reckon the 6800xt would be on par with the 4090.
@@qubes8728 no it does not all CPUs in market are weak af that,s why fool areas buying 4090 for 1440p and complaining about bottleneck lol (づ￣ 3￣)づ you need i9 13900ks at 6ghz all core then 4090 can stretch it,s legs at 1440p
@@djsahilking3807 regardless of cpu the amd cards own this title. 3070ti owner.
I just uploaded a video on this Exact setup! No joke, using the same cl32 6400mhz ram kit even xD, but I overclocked it to 6800mhz cl34. I think ull enjoy the video, overall insane results from a pc that costs as much as a 4090😂😂😂
@@djsahilking3807 no complaints on 4090 myself, my cpu's are too slow to run it fully, but getting 7950x3d in hopes to at least match a 13900ks at full overclock, but we will see
Well , i am confident that the 7000 X3D will use an 4090 to 100% , its a 5 GHz Boost Clock to the 4,55 GHz of the 5800X3D and the Cores have an higher IPC . The two Chiplet 7900X3D and the 7950 X3D have an higher Boost clock of 5,6/5,7 GHz , but i am not sure if that chiplet without V-Cache will be used in Games . The shortest way to the 3D V-Cache has the chiplet direct beneath it and that should have the lowest Latency , the other one has to use the IF Fabric to access the V-Cache , i am not sure how good this will work
I too am extremely curious of how well the 7950x3d will work. I unfortunately am in a situation where I can't wait for 7800x3d and have to get the 7950x3d on release, so I hope it'll work exactly as intended and run crazy good.
If you see this comment, I'm thinking of pairing a 5800x3d with a future 5090/5080ti for 1440p 240hz gaming? Thats what I'm trying to aim for....
It won't be enough sadly, 4090 is already way overkill for 5800x3d.
Want a 4090 lol. But 5800X3D works like a dream with my 2070 super. Easy 150 FPS
What you can do is use DSR and run at a higher resolution, in some games you might even get the same fps with a better looking image.
What is dsr?
@@daystarcreations Dynamic Super Resolution.
You shouldn't be using 4 000 polling rate on a mice when your FPS say is running at 300 frames per second or in other words "polling" at 300 times per second. Pros and people that understand polling rate usually keep their mice at 500 or 400 polling rate so it's just a bit faster then the frames being generated instead of creating a bottleneck of polling rate from the mice versus frames being generated which is not the ideal situation. Your creating an issue.
Companies want to make you think that a 4,000 or 6,000npolling mice is better than a 500-1000 polling rate mice to get your money. Set your mice between 400-500 polling rate and get better acturate shots off.
The conclusion is, you don't want to click on the previous frame but the one shown since the polling rate is jammed in the queue.
Nice video, cheers!
thanks, didn't fully understand the polling issue but I'll turn mine down. i think you're saying the high polling causes cpu load, exacerbates the bottleneck and therefore turn down
1000hz is fine, no need to go lower. I used a 4000hz polling rate mouse (razer viper pro v2) and just showed its not Worth using in warzone. I use the 4000hz polling rate in gpu bound games.
I have a 8000 polling rate mouse, but I use it at 2000 since at that level it doesn't lag my games.
😂hahaha
@@nigeldekker1074 Only games that don't die from it are, Valorant, CSGO and Overwatch "2" all 3 games that I don't play anymore
Overall 5800x3d is good or at least more then ok for 4090 NIUCEE Likeee BIG LIKEE!!
There's no CPU on the market that will not bottleneck 4090 at 1080p or 1440p... Game engines are just not well designed to utilize all of the CPU due to not enough fund/time to make it scalable across CPU ranges and utilize varying CPUs... SO usually 2 cores are hammered hard while the rest are kinda chill.
Heck I'm using i5 11400 and even though i'm bottlenecking my RTX 3090 with DLSS quality... CPU is still nowhere near even 80%... usually it sits 10-30% and hogwarts goes to like 40-50% and i'm still seeing bloody 60-80% GPU utilization.
Anyone undervolting, don’t just just drop the curve on all cores by 30, also reduce your power limits in PBO, PPT to 100, TDC to 70, EDC to 100.
yoo thx, I mostly play CoD and Make content so I wanted to get a cheap RTX 4090 Build, so I might go with 5800X3D + RTX 4090 Thanks!!
Great test! Thank you for sharing! 🎖️
Dunno man and here's why, w/ 5950X and 3090ti @ 1440p .... same settings getting an avg 30-50 fps better on DMZ than your equipment which admittedly makes no Damn sense with the addition of the 5800x3d I gained around 10-15 fps with an avg of 280 fps @ max settings. Also w/ 3600cl14 ram. Your thoughts?
Rough to tell to be honest. I am uncertain of what would be enabled on your end. Here's the thing, I own a 5600x, 5800x3d and 13700k. With 13700k and a ddr5 6800mhz kit and a 5.6ghz oc, 13700k is 5-10FPS faster then 5800x3d (even when 5800x3d has the UV applied). Meaning that setting for setting, a 13700k winning by a bit in warzone would make sense.
As for a 5950x being significantly faster, I am not sure. I used to own a 5900x prior to 5800x3d and the 5800x3d is definitely faster then that one, but I guess it comes down to if you are using AMD FSR or DLSS, how late in the match you record the data, and what part of the map you are on.
As an example, by police station near al mazraah city, I see 240-260FPS, and by Sawah village it's more like 200-220.
The later in a match the data is recordered, the higher the FPS as there's less people on the map, and on warzone BR, the gas covers the map over time also increasing fps.
But if you are getting 250+fps no problem, don't change your settings, cause you are clearly doing something right 🤣👍👍👍
dont forget at the end your biggest bottleneck is your monitor frequency
in call of duty can you use DSR to it's highest option and then use dlss quality or balanced. that should be a 8k render resolution i think or higher. improving the quality and might take away all the cpu bottle neck.
I'm looking to buy the 5800x3D in the future. I'm pretty sure paired with a 4070ti at 1440p the bottlenecks won't be that big, if there's any... thank you for the video, very informative ! 👍
It'd work perfectly together! Around that 3090/4070ti/3090ti mark you will find the 5800x3d to be the perfect pair
@@Beefy-Tech can i take for this ryzen 7 5800x RTX 4080 ?
@@kd-fv1jq 5800x would be too slow, 5800x3d would be perfect
@@Beefy-Tech yes i mean 5800x3d perfect :)
@@Beefy-Techwhat about 5800x3d 4070 ti super at 4k?
Do you think ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 4090 both heavily optimized and 32gb ram heavily tuned 1000hz polling rate at 1080p will bottleneck because I have a 240hz 1080p and I enjoy 1080p and mostly play fortnite,rainbow 6 siege and gta5 (fivem)
Nowadays its look like bottlenecking but after few years (game graphics will increase), it will be compatible duo.
Indeed. I think 5800x3d is perfectly responsible for it anyways, it just won't max it out
I see you learnt from framechasers, hes the guy that got me into tuning ram too, i have an 10700k, 3080 and 4x8 bdie tuned and every game is silky smooth now that i have bdie although warzone 2 is the only game i have issues with in terms of stuttering and not being able to maintain 180+ fps so i hope the game gets better as theres litetally nothing i can do to get more fps
Warzone is cruel to CPU's 10700k os a great cpu, but warzone's cpu throughput consistency is shit, so ull experience big differences in FPS based on parts of the map.
Bro thats a nice benchmark but why did u not put the Rivatuner/MSI stats from cpu too? Theres games that because of the engine the cpu+gpu bottlenecks at the same time. MW2 have this limits so u are running like 80% on cpu and 70% on gpu, this by no means that the cpu is bottlenecking
I have updated msi afterburner since this video to reflect absolutely everything regarding necessary data. To clarify for this benchmark, cpu sits at 30-40% most of the time, never spikes above or below. The bottleneck comes directly from the cpu throughput (Maximum fps it can achieve) being much lower then a 4090s within warzone 2, and it wasn't linked to the CPU usage here, but I do realize now I shouldof included it to begin with, I just forgot, and fixed it in later video👍
It is..
that cpu can't max out fps in cyberpunk for example.
lets be honest that Nvida greed factory card will bottleneck the newest Intel flagship CPU too and we all know it.
good question
yo, amazing video. maybe show cpu informations next time too via afterburner :)
I've updated that in the latest videos!
Lmao Butt Fingly high amout of frames killed me!
4090 for 1440p gaming is just a waste of money.
every single cpu on the market right now will bottleneck a 4090 at lower resolutions competitive settings even a 13900k, we will have to wait for faster x3d chips or new intel chips in the future to fully unlock its performance at lower resolutions
Yup! Hoping 7000x3d is enough to at least mostly use a 4090. I personally doubt it'll use a 4090 at 100% all the time because games like warzone are poorly optimized. One part of the map will get 70% usage, one will get 50% usage out of gpu, and you can't really control that.
If you have a 4090 why would you use anything lower than 4K? The 3090 already bottleneck with the 5800X3D at less than 4K and sometimes 4K.
Because being cpu bottlenecked isn't the que to upgrade resolution, it's the que to get a better cpu. 4090 can even do 8k, but I play competitive shooters mostly, so 4k is useless for those.
@@Beefy-Tech Sound like a refresh rate problem to me.
@@jamesm568 I mean I'd love a 4k 240hz monitor, but Imma have to wait a while for that🤣
@@Beefy-Tech I'm happy at 120Hz.
That movement lag happens all the time on AMD... AMD IPC is garbage compared to Intel... It can't keep up with loading in new data in warzone / DMZ...
Are you running DLSS?
a radeon would serve the cpu better actually due to considerably lower driver overhead
Just stumbled over your channel, i guess i'm a little bit late but in case you read this: great video, i subbed. As for the CPU: currently i'm using it on my alienware AW3420DW with 3440x1440p 120hz paired with a 3080ti FE... it's an amazing combo, but the powerdraw of Highend Ampere GPUs is awful, especially if you live in Europe these days. I was thinking about upgrading to a 4080 or 4090, which one would you recommend? I mainly play Singleplayer Games and want to reach that 120fps constanly but at the same time i want my system to run as efficient as possible (undervolting). What would you recommend?
Hello, it's good you have a clear goal in mind, and taking into account your CPU, the 4080 would more then suffice for what you play and the refresh rate you are looking for.
The advantage the 4090 would have us how future proof it is. If you were to buy a 4090 for your current rig it'd be significantly overkill, and even at 50% power target ud have 90% of the 4090s performance.
But if you do a full system update including monitor, let's say to a future 8800X3D cpu, and a 4K 240hz monitor (which already exists and will become common in a couple years) the 4090 is currently capable of doing 4K 240fps in Warzone 1, Warzone 2, and other multiplayer games.
And it's capable of 4k 120+Fps in single player Ultra preset games (with a couple exceptions ofc).
4080 is about 30-35% slower overall,but would be more then enough for years to come.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you for your quick answer :D I guess I will buy a 4090 based on your explaination because 400€ more or less for 30-35% more performance plus the possibility to simply upgrade the CPU in the future and gain even more FPS is tempting enough for me. Just one more question: would you say it's sufficient enough to just buy one of the cheapest models of the 4090? Or would you rather go for a premium model like the cards from Asus, MSI, or Gigabyte due to their overclocking potential? I'm not really convinced that buying a Strix card with a high power limit makes any sense, because it seems like there's minimal to zero performance gains by increasing the stock power limit from 450w to 600w... what's your take on that topic?
@@normaldude5960 I have a generic "Low end" 4090 with a 450watt limit Inno 3D ichill and it makes absolutely no difference in 9/10 situations, except fan noise, and looks.
Warzone 2 it uses 300 watts while Paired with a 7950x3d. meaning in multiplayer games youll never be at power limit.
Worst cases that ive seen are Dying Light 2 4K Ultra Ray tracing, which uses 430watts while overclocked...but even then it didn't hit power limit.
And at 8K res In Need For Speed Unbound it hit power limit of 450watts, but that's 8K Resolution, so it's expected.
I'd say buy what looks best, because all of them will do pretty much the same thing, but just for your knowledge the Coil Whine on some models is worse then other models, I just don't know exactly which have more or less coil whine, so ull have to research.
@@Beefy-Tech Thank you, that helps a lot. :D Yeah, I think i will watch some reviews, in my country the Palit Gamerock is currently the cheapest model, so yeah... I don't really care about RGB or the optics in general, i just want silent fans, minimal coil whine and a good power-to-performance-ratio. Anyway, thank you for your time and opinion on that, have a great weekend. :D
I'm using it with my 5800x , still working at 2k gaming😅
Earned a sub from me hard to find people talk about 4000hz polling rate. Hoping to see some 7000 3D content. Planning to upgrade from my 5950X/3600mhz 14-14-12-12 for my 1440p 360hz monitor!
That 7000x3d will be great for pushing the 360hz refresh rate! And yes, 4000hz polling rate is great, I threw it in there as a bonus test as I just got it then xD I'm making a full video on polling rate once I too have a 360hz monitor to test on.
I am running a 5800X3D and 4080, but on an 85" 4K mini-led :) Runs great! (Far Cry 6 HDR is just amazing)
Beautiful setup! That TV must be a dream to play on! Try Phasmophobia on that rig, you will feel very immersed xD
@@Beefy-Tech I will. Steam?
@@Beefy-Tech ahhh… nice! Not bragging but I have a 7.1.4 Home Theater so horror games are a huge hit with me. Callisto Protocol and Dead Space remake have the best sound I’ve heard. I’ve been doing Home Theater for a long time
@@m4nc1n1 the 4k 85 inch TV + home theater surround setup is as good as it gets for those type of games. If you like dead space definitely try Alien Isolation, although you probably have already xD
u earned my sub just because u said u bottlenecked the mouse :D
It would be nice to see it with 1% lows and 0.1% lows and with frametime chart, avg fps tells nothing, great effort but we need more metrics, the 4000hz pooling rate issues it's not for the mouse it's because of the AMD cpu, I don't have that issue with a 12700K or with the 10900k or the 12900KS with the properly tuned ram, 7 to 10% drops are unacceptable and the problem gets worst with the non-3D chips because of the latency bean so slow and you do not have the big cache to back it up...
Updated the charts in later videos. I recognize they weren't ideal here, and neither was the testing methodology.
I'll do a separate video clarifying the polling rate cpu performance hit as I have both intel and ryzen cpu's available to test 👍
I using this setup for 4k gaming, so i think its ok
5800x3d, 4090 galax, 32gb ddr4 3200 4x8gb
1 AORUS FI27Q-X @ + 240 fps ...nice test dudes
Hi! Great video! How did u get your 4090 to 1.100 V? Mine goes only to 1050 V.. thanks!
Hello! In MSI afterburner you have to enter the general settings and enable Voltage control, and enabled force constant voltage
@@Beefy-Tech Thanks!
Ehh not that helpful because you only have the graphics card and ram info on riva stats. Next time you should also put CPU info as well, so we can also see the CPU usage and the power consumption of the cpu. Also would have been nice to see the wattage of the 4090.
Hey Beefy! I have an RTX 3080 and currently running an i7 8700k at 1440p I realized it is being bottlenecked and I am having to decide my next cpu to upgrade to.... while I am sure the 5800x3D will be FINE paired with a 3080 at 1440p at the same time I do want to future proof my rig, if in the coming years if I upgrade to a 4080/90.... What are your thoughts and do you have any CPU recommendations for me? Thanks again 👊
5800x3d will drive up to a 3090ti/6950xt in warzone 2.
Remember, warzone 2 is one of the most cpu bottlenecked games out there, so if it runs wz2 ir runs anything.
If you plan to move to 40 series or 50 series without needing a upgrade, I recommend going straight to AM5 with the 7800x3d (which comes out april) or any other 7000x3d cpu, and a kit of ddr5 6000-6200mhz ram.
If u wanna do the easiest upgrade for up to a 3090ti/6950xt 5800x3d is perfect and much cheaper.
@@Beefy-Tech TYSM dude! I appreciate the help! Is the faster ram going to be more important when running the 7800x3D?
@@AshtonsPTW I do not know yet, but I will test it day 1. I bought a ddr5 kit that can do 6800mhz cl34, but also 6200mhz cl28, meaning I should be able to test what affect ram has once I receive the 7000x3d cpu.
@@AshtonsPTW 5800X3D wasn't that picky about memory speeds because of the large cache. You could do with cheaper 3200MHZ CL16. It will be interesting to see if the same thing applies to 7800X3D. Generally about 6000MHz is the sweet spot for AMD 70 series.
@@Beefy-Tech good info again! Subscribed
Awesome content brother, straight to the point but well explained without rushing. Keep it like this and you will grow. Thanks for the video, I was asking exactly this matter; suscribed!
I have a 6700k and suffer on warzone 2 greatly with bad fps.. I've just dropped my mouse polling rate from 1000 to 500, hope this helps a little..
now im with 5800x3d and 6900xt what polling rate i must use?now i have 1000.do you think i must chance to 500?
Does tuning the ram/not having an amazing ram kit for warzone have a large effect when paired with the 5800x3d? I thought this was only the case with intel.
Only about a 10FPS increase best case scenerio I'd say, but it's an increase none the less
No it won't at 4k 120 FPS max! I'm so happy with 4090 + 5800X3D it's a dream team 🎉
would love to see the video redone with aaa story games only at 4k with manually maximized settings (and if raytracing is available also manually maximized in separate tests). i guess there's no way a 5800x3d would bottleneck at this settings, but would still be a nice experiment. because these are settings and games i as a 2000€ card owner really play.
I did do a short 4K test with forza at extreme and dying light 2 on high, its one of my newer videos.
At 4k very few games will make a 4090 hit below 60fps, only ones I know off are cyberpunk and hogwarts legacy atm.
@@Beefy-Tech yeah would still be a nice video buddy. btw there are more 60fps 4090 games like dead space remake and some more. btw check out the video "force-enabling resizable bar on nvidia gpus | rebar on vs off". some games don't use rebar unless forced and that gives a good fps boost. you can work this knowledge into your videos.
@@roflcopter3625 good to know, I'll check it out and make sure to use forced from now on👍
I'm sorry but a MOUSE?! at this point we should be able to have whatever kind of mouse we want with 0% hit especially on higher end chips.
a few other bits that might possibly improve frame rates is a gen 4 ssd and direct storage . Just seeing storage usage in MB/s (In monitoring in MSI Afterburner HDD read and write rates) could allow to know if that's even a problem vs a crystal disk mark score or some other testing software for drive speeds.
This testing was done with cod on a 7000/5000mb WD black ssd with included heatsink, and the recording was saved on secondary nvme which is a gen 3 2500/2000 ssd.
@@Beefy-Tech wd black is dram less though isn't it. KC3000/Fury renegade might give better results.
So basically anything below a 4090 or 7900XTX would be fantastic with that CPU
Even the 4090 if you play at 4k
am sorry, you are undervolting your CPU expecting it to perform better? Is that what am hearing?
It's literally exactly what you are hearing. This is a 5800x3d, performs more stable at lower voltages and heat, and Undervolt unironically increases performance at the cost of possible stability issues, but those you solve with thorough testing of said undervolt. If you have trouble believing that, I'll give you my discord and show you in 2 minutes within a warzone match what difference it makes👍
@@Beefy-Tech I have no interest in your discord nor am I 12 for "1v1 me bro" undervolting your CPU makes it more efficient, not more powerful. For a good cooler and a proper case it is not necessary.
@@DenienN I was just willing to demonstrate the performance increase. If you do not wish to see it it's fine, but please watch someone else's video on undervolting a 5800x3d if you do not believe me, as they will more then likely show similar results.
I seem to be doing better in DMZ with 13900k but worse in MP. Maybe it's because there are indeed some spots in MP where my GPU is at 99% at 3440x1440 even with optimized settings. Gonna need a 4090ti/5090 to max out the 13900k i guess
13900k is easily superior, but what ram and overclock you have on it makes all the difference...I pushed my 13700k to 5.6ghz p cores, and because I only had ddr5 6000 ram, it was still 10 fps slower then 5800x3d. I bought a kit of 6400mhz, tuned to 6800mhz cl34, and now 13700k is 10fps faster then 5800x3d in warzone 2 (don't know how this scales in other games, only tested in warzone)
@@Beefy-Tech My 13900k couldnt reach 5.6 ghz lol. meanwhile my old 13700k can do 5.7 and 5.8 with reasonable temps (6.0 with TVB was possible). Even at 5.8 the 13700k was slower than 5.5ghz 13900k by around 10-15% in mw2 and warzone 2.
Man to get 13700k to 5.6 on p cores I had to do like 1.46 volts and a lot of googling lmao.
@@Beefy-Tech I thought my 13900k was a dud with need 1.38V for 5.6. My 13700k was able to do 5.8 at 1.4V LLC6 (droops to 1.359V under R23).
That is weird.. I used you exact same graphics settings for COD. I run a 13700k + 4090 + 6400 d5. But I only got less than 300frames on the same map… Any idea why is that?
That I'm not sure, settings and how everything is set up makes the whole difference🤔
finally interesting video on yt, about hw in gaming
When ever you said "cpu bottlenecked" I believe it would be "cpu bound" because cpu bottleneck would mean the GPU isn't fast enough for the cpu. Good video besides from that! Correct me if Imm wrong as well!
U are wrong, imagine wine bottle if we are talking about cpu being its bottle neck it means it limits the flow so to cpu is the weak one.
So 5800x 3d is good for 4090. The bottlenecks are at 170-200fps in single player. it doesnt even matters there.
Yes, but if you pay 1600USD for a 4090, u might aswell get a 450 dollar higher end cpu vs a 300 dollar cpu as money becomes far less of an object when you are anyway spending 3000 + USD on a rig, and dishing out the extra 150-300 might actually render 50-80+ FPS in cpu bound scenerio's 👍
@@Beefy-Tech i am buying 4090 for mining it will be free by next crypto boom. Cpu is just a liability. GPU is an asset. 🤣🤣🤣😳
@@Richdadful if it's just for mining then yes, but ofc the purpose makes all the difference.
You can buy a 5800x3d for 1440p with a 4090, but ur 4090 will run at 50% usage most of the time even at ultra settings.
Good video. Glad I found it. Liked👍
13900k and 7950x bottlenecks 4090 on lower resolutions even in some games at 4k so of course that 5800x3d will bottleneck too
Indeed. I know even framechasers delidded 13900ks on liquid metal and full custom loop with 6ghz all core oc was bottlenecking a stock 4090 in warzone 2 xD. It's nuts what it takes to run an rtx 4090 to it full potential.
@@Beefy-Tech it takes cpus from 2025 to gain gpu from 2022 and gpus from 2025 needs cpus from 2028 then
@@Mr11ESSE111 xD indeed. What's funny is that a 7900xtx + maxed out 13900ks is a perfect match as 13900ks with max overclock maxes out a 7900xtx in warzone, just not a 4090.
I have a 5800x and my objetive is 1440p 75fps with grafics at max ray tracing and all will you think that is enough for a gtx 4090, i dont play to buy that card but rumors goe that the rtx 5080 will be very close to the 4090 and i am planning on upgrading muy 3080 to 5080, will i be fine with my cpu?
Sooo what’s the best cpu to avoid bottlenecking the 4090?
7800X3D/7950X3D
OR
13900K + DDR5 7600mhz + Z790 Apex/Tachyon Motherboards.
@@Beefy-Techare these cpus still bottlenecking it, even if it may be slightly less?
I dont know how to tell if there is a bottle neck but I have a Ryzen 5 5600 and an RX 580 8GB card someone tell me I beg
You are good, no bottlenecks there, u can drive up to a 3070 or 3060 no issue👍
sorry to critizise the video. sooo many 4090 videos out there but only soooo few people actually buying one.
It's true, this gpu costs 2000 bucks in most parts of the world so its definitely not a common thing people buy xD
Nice clip bro, 😂 only bottleneck I see here is your ping latency 😂
4090 ti will basically cpu bottleneck any cpu in games that aren't gpu bound
Good video. The expression is "Buttload" NOT what you said. It's an old English measure of capacity of a heavy cart (a butt) that was pulled by horses.
Lmao yes, I'm aware of the expression, wasnt aware where it originated from, thanks for letting me know though👍🤣 took the liberty of modifying it slightly for the sake of getting my opinion of the FPS across more... expressively xD
sooo... yes?
I’m running 5800x3d with triple 4K 48inch oled 120hz + 4090. Will it cpu bottleneck? How do I know whether is cpu bottleneck? Cheers 🍻
I don't think you will have any issues because cpu bottleneck is to do with cpu throughput. Unless you run sim racing and use all 4k monitors simultaneously in said game, I think the bottleneck will be 4090.
Easiest way to tell if u have a cpu bottleneck is to check out your gpu usage while playing a game you know to be gpu demanding... let's say you are playing fh5 and are seeing 85% gpu usage, then it's likely your cpu can't throughput enough fps to satisfy the 4090 (but very unlikely on your setup).
@@Beefy-Tech Yes you are right. I did some checkup using MSI After Burner to monitor the GPU usage. While running 12288 x 2160, it did hit 99% mark most of the time, occasionally it drops to 85% for 1 second. Well explain and great channel. subscribed
You need to use more hardware demanding games for this specific video. If you can, try the same video with Flight Simulator, Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead Redemption 2, these are power consuming games as far as I know.
I want to use Red Dead Redemption. But I am considering to separate the videos into 3 Multiplayer/BR games and 3 Single play games just to simplify and standardize the testing.
I want to do Wz2, Apex, and PUBG for Multiplayer, and Forza, Dying light 2 and Red dead for Single player.
I think game specific tests will come too, but I mainly am a warzone player so my focus is towards that game.
Have you tried to undervolt? How was the bottleneck then?
Im thinking about getting a 5800x3d and one of amds new 7900xt or xtx, i rekon theyre gonna be a great pair :)
Definitely. I think both 7900xt and xtx are great aslong as you get a good deal on them👍