What Perfect CPU performance looks like in Star Citizen 😱👑
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The final high end analysis on @Olli43 Stock PC build comparing the 7800X3D tuned vs 14900K Stock and the 13900K Tuned. All set ups are within 10% of cost but performance varies massively avoid making the mistake Olli did.
All Settings High 1440p + Recording to SSD
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14900K - amzn.to/3xj7ckd
7200Mhz (a-die) - amzn.to/3wVbLRE
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Intel System Specs:
CPU: 13900KF All Cores at 5.8GHz [Overclocked]
RAM: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta 32GB 7200MHz @ 8200mhz [Tuned]
GPU: Nvidia RTX 4090
Motherboard: Asus Apex Z790
CPU Cooler: EK Water Blocks EK-AIO 360 Basic
Power supply: Be Quiet straight power 11 1200w
OS M.2 NVMe: Crucial P2 1TB M.2
Game M.2 NVMe: WD_BLACK SN770 2TB
Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO
Monitor: LG OLED C2 42 Inch 120Hz
AMD System Specs:
CPU: 7800X3D [PBO Optimised]
Motherboard: Gigabyte b650 aorus elite ax
RAM: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta 32GB 7200MHz @ 6400Mhz [Tuned]
Everything else the same as Intel
CHAPTERS
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0:00 Introduction
0:45 In Space System On and off
3:13 Lorville atmosphere
4:58 Lorville landing
6:54 Oil Rig
9:04 Orison
09:49 Area 18 atmosphere
12:11 Hangar
12:26 Area 18 City
13:48 How to fix and Summary 
Игры
WOW 👀 thanks for the video, I now how the 7700X tuned compares in these areas as well
Not again, ok if your comment gets 150 likes I'll do it.
@@gamedaytoday1 Thank you for this very very interesting video, if we managed to push the 7800X3D bus at the same speed as the Intel bus, would we have similar performance?
Btw the games still running on dx11, the 3.23 patch will finally give us vulcan so the gpu will actually be used.
If it works properly lol
Soon ™️
This truth that X3D has very high fps in lite loads (higher than RPL), but lower 1% lows (lower than RPL) in very demanding CPU scenes applies to more games. I can't wait for the OC-ed Benchmarks Revolution to come! 😀GJ, don't stop now! 👍
It's a bit funny that both Raptor Lake (14th gen Intel) and Raphael (Zen 4) could be shortened to "RPL" :D I had to re-read your comment at least once because I was thinking Raphael the first time :D. But yeah, in the heavy scenes, like Lorville, the much-much-much lower memory bandwidth of the 7800X3D will limit its potential. Hopefully with Zen 6, AMD can solve the bottleneck that the infinity fabric poses to memory bandwidth, with the rumored new packaging technology (basically what RDNA 3 uses for chiplets, and also what Nvidia has utilized with Blackwell)
@@cpt.tombstoneRPL is used for Raptor Lake since 13th gen, so it's been a while now. Not many people abbreviate Raphael as RPL, because saying Zen4 is easier & less confusing it with intel CPUs.
I am glad though that you said Zen6, instead of Zen5, because this is the truth that a lot of AMD fanbois don't know or want tot admit.
I would be very surprised and impressed if they manage to fix Zen's inherent design flaws with Zen5, so yeah Zen6 should be their new architecture that supposedly fixes this, but I don't expect it sooner.
@@ItsJustVV I was not aware there were rumors that Zen 5 would be using new packaging tech. With Zen 5, I don't expect more than maybe a 10% bump in fabric clock (which should still be a noticeable improvement in bandwidth still) and maybe 5, max. 10% clock speed increase, with some moderate IPC gains due to the larger L1 cache. A solid upgrade over Zen 4, based on the rumors, and the AI "co-processor" (more like iGPU, but whatever) should come in handy in a few tasks. I'm expecting bigger things from Zen 6. Monolithic Zen CPUs can already run crazy memory speeds, north of 10 GT/s, hopefully Zen 6 will catch up to that with the new interconnect.
I'm also really excited to see what Rentable Units will bring to the table with Arrow Lake. From what I've read, it could be a really good way to utilize heterogenous architectures that both of the x86 CPU makers are moving towards, Intel a bit more so than AMD, but Zen4 / Zen4c is still a step in the same direction.
I still wish for more exotic things like HBM L4 cache on the CPU, or die-integrated water cooling channels, but still, it's good to see exciting new generations after years of Intel domination and marginal improvements.
@@cpt.tombstoneYeah, all these should be interesting unless WW3 starts until then :)
Thanks for the great video!!
Love the overlay showing side-by-side with both tuned rigs fps counters in comparison to Oli's.
I also appreciate that you provided the possible next steps for oli to take, rather than just saying "well this is his problem" and moving on. Good work!
Wooow, you did it again!!! Another great video. Keep them coming. Favourite channel hands down 🤩🤩
Hey there how sustainable are these memory tunes?
I've heard of ram sticks that go bad after a few months due to tuning, and how stable is the system during regular non gaming use?
Ideally I'd stick with 64gb of ram but the QVL doesn't list higher than 6400mhz for 2x32gb kits. Any suggestions? I've had bad experiences ignoring the QVL of my ASUS motherboards. I have an x670e-e.
I'm using the 7800X3D and 4090. Do you have a tuning guide for your RAM\CPU?
I'm using 6000mhz 32 GB gskill, but happy to change it out if its worth it
Also, do you undervolt your 4090?
derbauer or buildzoid have timings for this ram ;)
Does it matter if you have 64GB or not? i have used the profile, but it goes to 6000 and not higher. any recommendations? I feel a bit like our friend olli
Will there be tests with Intel Core i9-14900KS ?
Is it possible to get the same performance with 7800X3D processor and RAM G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB [2x16GB 6400MHz DDR5 CL32 DIMM]?
I have a 7950x3d paired with G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB 6000MHz CL32 DDR5 Memory - AMD Expo on a Asus x670e strix gaming wifi mobo.
What tweaks can i make to improve performqnce in star citizen?
Hi. Eye opening vid! Do you think the new ryzen CPUs that are coming out in a month or two will be better than Intel for this game? Will we be able to utilize 8200mhz? Thanks 😊
could make a video about 6400 timings? i have same setup 7800x3d/4090 64gb dual rank 6600 kit
Hi. I'm building a PC. If I go for the right RAM speed (I'm guessing, 8200MHz), should I opt for a 14900KF to play SC? It's only 30EUR more than a 13900KF and I suppose it performs better than the latter with the right memory speed?
You need a APEX board to get 8000Mhz+ and yes go for the 14900K/F instead it is better binned than the 13900K/F.
Great results. I'm looking to replace my old 16 GB ddr4 dominators, 2080ti rog strix, 9700k sometime next year. Probably getting 15th gen i7 or i9 and top end 5000 series Nvidia, hopefully DDR5 has even more options and optimizations at that point.
Current rig runs Star Citizen just fine, but if it lines up so I can build a new pc with a new monitor for SQ42 release that would be awesome.
Nice Video! The performance bump after tuning your CPU is pretty shocking considering that its free. Could please you make a full guide on how to tune any Ryzen CPU? I have a RX 6800 and a 2700x but I only get around 25 fps in New Babbage.
What memory speed and modle do you have with your 2700x and what motherboard?
For my RAM I have a corsair vengeance rgb pro ddr4 32gig (16x2) 3200MHz clocked at 15-15-15-36 2933MHz (because of my older cpu). I think my ram might be a Samsung 8Gbti-D-die but im not sure. For my motherboard I have a B450M Pro4. The only thing I overclocked in my pc is my ram and I feel like I can push it harder I just don't want to brick my pc somehow. I looked into overclocking my cpu but everyone said that the performance gain was not that great, Im still going to try it though.
Ok, I got it, so you didn't helped us at all here, what we need to tune on our xmp to get at least a faster memory speed?
Do you have a guide for tuning PC's? I built a 14900k+4090+Teamgroup Delta DDR5 2x32gb 6000mhz on a MSI Z790 Tomahawk Wifi MAX but I have no idea how to tune it to get even close to Game Day performance, I barely match the novatech fps in same situations.
Any pointers would be immensely appreciated, I know nothing about tuning and everything I find online just tells me to use XMP (which I turn on but see no difference)
Yes I have a DDR5 guide that I will release to my supporters soon in my discord
Great video, thanks for impressive channel 🤩
Can you use the 7200mhz ram in the description section with the 7800x3d? What's the best motherboard for that cpu?
Yes you can, but you would either need to underclock it to 6200/6400/6600 or overclock it to 8000mhz for best performance
This type of info should be posted in bold in all SC community pinned post, as well as in requirements part for the game. I'll definitely have this in mind on my next pc build. Thanks
Saving this for later. I built my current pc on a limited budget and a fairly immediate need for a new pc, so 11th gen limited motherboard for intel cpu (my preference) and ddr4 ram. Gonna be upgrading those 3 in a few months while im also building my friends pc since im not as financially constrained now lol.
thats a crazy performance boost considering its just a tuning. makes me wonder if my 2060 and r3600 have any extra performance i can pull out of it
Would I still benefit from faster RAM in SC if I'm running a 7950X3D and 4090 with G.Skill 64 GB 6000 MHz [tuned timings]?
I don't have all the information to answer that question what is your tuned timings, have you overclocked your infinity fabric, have you optimised your PBO? What is your performance objective, what do you want out of your system? Are you happy with your current performances?
@@gamedaytoday1 Not really, I'm getting similar performance to the other guy with his Novatech Intel system. I suppose I should change to the exact RAM you used for this video and get the exact timings for it, then the PBO settings for CPU. 7950X3D is basically a beefed up 7800X3D so the optimizations I need to do should be identical, right? I'm trying to get up to 300 fps in space like you did and at least 100 -130 at places like A18 that usually lag. 7950X3D cache is bigger but I'm not sure how much more it will help in SC.
Are you using something extra to cool your RAM? Or is it perhaps water cooled?
I'm trying to find RAM sticks that can run at 8200Mhz but they are usually getting hot really fast, which is then causing them to throw errors, using it with an i9 14900k
(The one from the description is unfortunately not available in my country)
Throw a fan on top of it
@@gamedaytoday1 As far as I can tell it looks like the instability is caused by my motherboard, I went for an all white board, and the highest end white motherboard I could find available was a Gigabyte Z790 AORUS PRO X, but if I'm not mistaken, it looks like this board cannot run 8200Mhz consistent.
I can't really get it stable on something higher than 7600Mhz 36-48-48-100
Do you have any insight on this? or do you think it's caused by something else other than the motherboard?
I'm using Corsair DDR5 Dominator Titanium 2x16GB 7200 CL34
@@tom_dom Oh yeah its the motherboard you need a two dimm motherboard to achieve 8000Mhz+, I trust Asus Apex only for that.
@@gamedaytoday1
Just a lil update, since I couldn't get the 14900k stable at 8200mhz, I ended up returning all the parts.
Now I went with a 7800x3d build which runs better, cooler, and takes way less power.
It's also less than half the price of getting a 8200mhz intel build lol:
14900k | 640,-
ASUS APEX ENCORE | 710,-
G.Skill 32 GB DDR5-8000 (A-die) | 300,-
Total = 1650,-
Vs.
7800x3d | 339,-
X670E AORUS PRO X | 300,-
G.Skill 32 GB DDR5-6400 (A-die) | 145,-
Total - 784,-
@@tom_dom The 7800X3D is great value.
Hello, can you do a vid where you explain what Secondary and Tertiary Timings are importan for RAM tuning? pls? :-)
Is it possible to have better performance with "old" 5000 series amd non 3D cpu?
Yes see this video here: ruclips.net/video/vYaCB8Zi9vU/видео.html
i assume your graphic settings are set to max right?
How in the F did you get your RAM overclocked like that? Thats insane. Did you buy it at that frequency?
Base Frequency is 7200Mhz the model is in the description.
Why do you have only 32 GBs? Go 64 GB and turn off pagefile, otherwise the pagefile might impact performance, and since you have also uneven RAM speeds ...
DCS please!!?
Do i need just high freq mems for x3d or tight timing too
Both
Hey @gamedaytoday1 i love your video, specially this one.
but to be honest, even if i buy PC that you recommended, most i don't know how to tune and also, I'm scared to tune my ram, what if i broke it.
perhaps you can make it for your next video.
Next video is watercooling build
Please do a video about how to tune a systems ram for star citizen. knowledge about how to tune a PC for star citizen is extremely obscure. There is very little information anywhere about what to do. It took me a while to even find out the ram speed is most of the performance in star citizen. I still have no idea how to tune it or what motherboards are best for tuning.
i'd love a video like that as well
it's not using flash. it's using Scaleform which uses a file format (SWF or Shockwave Flash) that Adobe Animate (Flash) can output. You can also output the SWF file format with Adobe Flex. So it's a good idea to say that the UI uses Scaleform. Or don't. :)
I got myself a 14700k - 4070 ti - 64 GB 6400mhz in 2k resolution still dx11 no vulcan active all the rest are on high clouds on the highest setting. I get in all cities 80-90 fps when leaving the cities it bumps up to 100-110fps it only drops when coming from space to atmosphere while in space and QT i run 160-170 fps while being on the ground fighting AI 120-130 fps this was all during the free week so servers were not affected now it runs even smoother with less loss in fps i’am still running stock no OC cpu load is 40-55% same for the gpu and ram is taking 37-42 GB. Sorry for my bad English hope this is clear personally the game has never been so good and very happy with the pc because i run youtube and discord while playing oh also cpu temps 55-70 degrees and gpu 60-70 because my AC isn’t working in my gaming room so it is about 29 degrees in my room
Game Day. Can you please reveal exact rig specifications that were used?
I added the specs in the description
Thank You
I wish I had your skill in tuning ram. Beyond choosing an XMP profile, this is the area that totally baffles me. I’ve got a similar build to Oli, but with far better ram, but I still don’t get your performance!
What is your Ram speed?
6400mhz Corsair Dominator Titanium. It clocks to 6600 with XMP profile 2.
I just ran your benchmark tests and getting somewhere between Oli’s and your 13900 build. Faster than the AMD in Hurston funny enough!
Another proof point faster ram is better 👍🏽
Why didnt you test the r7 7800x3d and 13900kf with the same ram speeds? Feel like you wouldve seen better numbers on the ryzen.
Sure. And disable the cache on the 7800X3D as well then i guess? Or just compare the 13900k with a 7700x.
because the 7800x3d runs with 8400 ram speeds. sure
Because the ryzen doesnt run on those ram speeds /facepalm
@user66676 Oh yeah guess you are right, I just assumed it could based on the many ram options that are above 6400+. Still wouldve been nice to know cas latency and to have them tested at the same mhz and have a seperate data entry for what the 13900kf is capable of. Along with what he did to tune his ram.
Ollie catching strays lol
what montoring software you using
CapframeX
Amazing work. The 7800x3D is the best bang for your dollar but there is clearly faster gameplay when money is not a concern :).
The 7800X3D is the way to go for bang for bucks indeed, I'd say for most people just get the 7800X3D. I'd say the 13900K Tuned is just more fun in star citizen. What you did not see here was the 1% lows see my other videos for that.
I mean that is VERY over clocked RAM. I would like to see the RAM Speeds Identical and the processors being the changed option. I'm looking at upgrading from 11700k to 7800X3D. But I don't like overclocking. This video is showing me what RAM overclocking can do vs the CPUs.
In your case if you don't like ram overclocking just go with the 7800X3D
Wow
for my 10850к + 1080ti 32gb 3200 ram i have 240cpu points and 220 Gpu. i think it`s the best cpu for SC bc on pyro 10 cpu cores are loaded on 100% and its big cpu with no problems like e-core`s.
What resolution is this at?
Settings is 1440p all settings at High.
i wish i went amd last time instead of intel, at the time we ddnt know if the 3dvcashe or the p and e cores would be better and the amd setup turned out to be a better alternative in the end, if they make a 8950x3d with both chiplets with the stacked cashe and intel doesnt do shit im amd all the way next time
It's an interesting idea, but do you think there would be a big advantage to having 2 stacked caches? There's still a performance hit when processes have to communicate across chiplets, and I suspect that's a far bigger factor than the omission of extra cache on the second chiplet.
@@Farrister from what I have seen benchmarks on.
The 7950x3d performes better with the non 3d vcashe chiplet turned off either via bios or other means in the majority of games.
This being a thing while the 7800x3d performing better than the dual chiplet of the 7950x3d (in most cases) makes me suspect heavily that the whole reason the 7800x3d has a low to big lead in games overall today is almost entirely because the 3d cashe.
Now imagine if we can get almost two 7800x3d's slapped together in one cpu and that would be a dual chiplet with now even bigger cache due to both chiplets having those cores instead of only one.
In the beginning of the 3dvcashe era of the games such as cyberpunk 2077, Intel had a big lead but look how that turned around quick, while the Intel e an p cores mostly just gave us stuttering issues.
Both and and Intel tried two new ways of doing CPUs that gen and in the long run. The test part (3dvcashe) turned out amazing so I hope they double down on it next time instead of doing it half asses (imo) as they did with the 7950x3d.
@@Lolle9999 I think the main issue isn't that the cores don't have 3D V-cache (7950X performance as an example), but moreso that any cross-chiplet communication adds significant latency. I tend not to disable the non-3D CCD during gaming because I can hook the game process to the cached CCD in other ways. I think adding cache to a second CCD probably wouldn't add much performance in current games, because there would still be a penalty for cross-CCD communication, and most if not all of the threads that benefit from the extra cache are already on the cached CCD. Maybe in future, more demanding games, there may be an advantage. So unless there was a way to truly share the cache between CCDs without a performance hit, I suspect the advantage of such a chip would be very limited. But equally I think most of us who own a 7950X3D don't want to use it quite like a 7800X3D, or a 7950X - it's kinda a hybrid for both productivity tasks and gaming.
@@Farristertrue.
That could also likely be a limiting feature.
as i said in previous video... i getting more FPS with 7800x3d with 4080, gskill 6000cl30 not tuned, than u... not mention that Ollis build...
Compare your latency to server, suspect you will find if it's the same, regardless of processor, your fps will be very close if latency difference is around 1ms, 5ms and you will see a difference open up.
Not sure what you mean
@@gamedaytoday1 Look at your Latency!! No one server is going to be alike , so seeing large FPS swings is something very common in Star Citizen.
@@Killswitch1411 exactly, all of these evaluations are apples to oranges unless you can compare latency
@@_R8ze_ he's treating it like a game thats offline that has little to no variables thats predictable and easy to replicate. Flawed testing methodology.
tried this on multiple servers unless there is a lot of traffic in some areas I get almost a single frame per second variance I play on massive latency 180ms makes no difference at all I get better fps than most people.
What's funnier is what he could have reach by only spending 15min copying some random guys more experienced in DDR5 OC 6400 not so ambitious profile, he would have been within 10~15% of your system...
This is not a 1:1. The biggest thing, as per your metrics, is the RAM. Why is it tuned significantly lower on the AMD build? That would completely skew the results.
because you cant feasibly clock AM5 past 6400 my mobo and sticks combo even though its Hynix A cant get above 6200 its the way the platform works. Even off the shelf expo 1 setting on 6000 ive seen fail to boot a few times.
DDR5-6400（PC5-51200）
CL30-38-38-84 1.35V 2x16GB x8 FF3D532G6400HC30ADC01
Great video however their are so many variables in the PC world. I get better performance then OLI on my 7800x3d paired with 4090 slim from MSI stock no overclocks 32 gig Corsair Dominator Titanium Expo 2 through RYZEN master 6200 Mhz
Even if the AMD cpus are lacking in some capacity, I for my self running a 7950x3d and a 3090 with 128gb, I prefer a plattform like the AM5 where at least 4 cpu generations can be used with and unless Intel gets that this is a very strong arguement for customers bank accounts I refuse to buy their products.
It's not exactly surprising that a system with 8.2GHz memory runs faster than one with 6.4GHz memory. The difference in frame rates over computationally intensive Lorville is about that too (ratio of ~65 FPS to ~50 FPS is roughly the same as the ratio of 8.2 to 6.4).
Just the memory frequency doesn't tell the whole story. The 7800X3D is very heavily limited in terms of memory bandwidth because of the infinity fabric (in fact, the 7800X3D can't even saturate the bandwidth of 6000 MT/s memory). With highly tuned memory, a 14900K could have as much as 2 times higher memory bandwidth. Of course, the huge L3 cache really helps with that as L3 cache on the 7800X3D has around 700 GB/s of bandwidth, while even with 8000 MT/s on the 7800X3D, you would be looking at less than 70 GB/s on the memory. I've seen 14900Ks reaching 130GB/s, for comparison. Zen needs additional CCDs and memory channels to take advantage of higher memory bandwidth. A 4 CCD Threadripper based on Zen 4 is able to reach 200+ GB/s in memory bandwidth, for example.
@@cpt.tombstonereally appreciate this explanation
@@cpt.tombstonewhat about the 7900x3d on the zen 5? Is the memory bandwidth better there?
@@Twidgyt Its the same, cause all Ryzen only can do Dual-Channel.
And with Zen 5 (Ryzen 9000) it should be still the same, cause its on AM5 too.
But with with Zen 6 we may be see Quad-Channel with the Consumerplatform AM6. :)
Even my 2080 Ti and 9900k get higher frames than Olli's rig, albeit at 1080p.
i'd be happy with 60fps lol
The tricky part of these comparisons is unless everything, other than the specific parts being tested, aren't exactly the same, the data is hard to compare. Even if he is running a different monitor, with the same resolution you are, that can be enough to throw off the numbers. If you have a lot of little differences: couple Nvidia settings that are different that affect frame rate, the mentioned monitor, other stuff running in the background like a Tobii Eye Tracker, which he mentioned before he uses. These all add up.
Even the first section where he was in space. He was looking at the sun, you were not. That makes a pretty big difference in FPS.
X3D CPU are faster when...there is no need to be and MUCH slower when under heavy load, so you are above your screen refresh most of the time when there is no need to be and you are stuttering like crazy in other places...
What you should check is average FPS in cities, not top FPS in space, alone...completely useless.
I've done tons of testing and intel CPU are a much better choice because of this, most of the time. Of course, you NEED to tune your memory, this is very impactful for intel CPUs, way less for AMD X3D ones.
Mmmm, AMDip
All this shows me is the 4090 is not worth the price when lower end cards compare. It’s all cpu in SC.
((fornow)), but then again with 5090 around the corner might as well hold out for that
I’d say for now it is worth it, but when Vulcan comes out you’ll have a lot more value with the cheaper cards, I currently have a a4500 gpu and I’m always like 90% of the time gpu bound with my 7950x3d
4090 isnt worth the price if you're playing SC in its current state.
Imagine getting a powerhouse Pc for free, and it’s still sucking 🤦🏼
Its the servers and the lumber yard engine.
@@Killswitch1411 ya them servers man, can’t wait for meshing. Heard they are updating away from flash for MFDs as well
Not everyone buys CPUs for gaming and personally I would buy a 14900K over an AMD X3D every time. I am still on a CPU from 2014.
if you have the money, then yeah go for it
after 12 years the engine is still 💩
and the ai, netcode, animations etc
Lol. What do you even do for a living