The Best CPU You Shouldn't Buy! Star Citizen
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Is the 7950X3D the best CPU you shouldn't buy for Star Citizen? In this review I test out the 7950X3D and its 3D V-Cache to see if it's the best performing CPU for Star Citizen. We are comparing it to the 7700X, 5800X3D, 13700KF, 12700KF and more!
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Test Setup
Star Citizen Alpha 3.17.5
Resolution 1080p
CPU: 7950X3D
GPU: RTX 4080
RAM: 32GB 6000MHZ CL36
0:00 Intro
0:27 CPU Structure
1:39 Test Setup
2:25 Testing
7:34 Final Thoughts
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I've been waiting for this test for weeks! Amazing work as always. I finally just got a 3080 to go with my 5800x, so though I won't be seeing any numbers like the 7000 series 3D versions, but it will be a big step up from my 1660 GPU that I've had for a while now. Thanks for the great recommendations!
You should be set for a good while with that setup, enjoy! Thanks for the support!
If you are interested I have settings for a pretty decent perf boost, lots of things to change for a 30 series
if you dont trust me you can ask the 70+ people they have helped
Thanks for the test. Glad you actually turned off the other ccd as many people keep thinking it doesn't do anything. The average fps increase is nice but since limited to 120hz on lg oled the 1% percentile increase was what I wanted more. I think I will stick with 7900x from microcenter bundle deal instead of switching to 7800x3d since it would cost me around $100 to sell 7900x and buy 7800x3d. With ram tuning on non x3d, the x3d isn't a massive improvement in 1% percentile. Please do a 1440p or 4k test in the future.
Yeah sticking with the 7900X is a good shout- not much of a performance bump, especially if your monitor is 120Hz. Planning on doing some 1440p and 4K testing once 3.18 finally goes live!
This mostly speaks to how much optimization the game still needs, more so than the CPUs. Like, the lowest framerates tend to have to do with volumetric clouds, which a generally GPU-limited, not CPU-limited. The Monthly Report says they're working on optimizing the cloud 5ech to perform better, which guaranteed to raise the 1% lows. Switch to and refining Vulkan will also improve 1% lows.
Basically, it's too early to draw hard conclusions about anything beyond the current alpha release. But it also means there's a chance you still don't need to upgrade, yeah.
Great news, thank you! Really excited to get my 7800X3D now!
3.18 has rewritten code for intel 12th and 13th gen CPUs so I am interested to see what results you get especially with e cores enabled. For me my 12700k with e cores on is pretty much pushing my Rx6800 to max far more often now than in 3.17 especially in landing zones.
I’ve also read you can set the affinity for SC and potentially get the same effect as a 7800x3D + the higher clocks without having any of the weird scheduling issues or disabling the high clock cores
Currently running a 7950x3d with 64gb cl30 6000mhz ram and a 4090. Havnt tried the affinity but plan to try. It’s insane having this performance on SC!
Have you set it to prefer cache or whatever in bios?
Thanks for testing this.
No problem! Thank you very much for the Super Thanks again!
My man with the upload! Video I’ve been waiting for
It's still amazing to me seeing Star Citizen running at 200fps. If I were to buy now I'd still get the 7950x3d because I do a lot of 3D rendering too. But a new computer is likely a Q4 2023 or Q1/Q2 2024 purchase for me. This year I'm building out a sim cockpit for the game. 💸💸
Yeah these frames still shock me! I remember the days when 15 FPS was good!
CIG may have the game running the Vulcan API instead of DX11.2 by the time you finish your build so the frame rates will be even better.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt lol. I hope so!
Fantastic review as always, mate. I'll definitely be waiting for the 7800x3D, can't wait to be able to improve my footage smoothness for content :) My poor 3600 is on its last legs haha
Thanks! Yep that will be a very nice upgrade!
Thank you so much for making this video. I have been really looking forward to it. I have the 5800x3d right now and will be sticking with it for a number of years. I am so happy to see this kind of progress from one generation upgrades. I hope amd and intel continue to push each other this decade vs what happen after 2010.
Last nights ptu patch added a lot of performance for the 5800X3D.
@nathanforrester5140 Yep the 5800X3D should be good for a long time yet! Thanks for the support!
Thanks again for the insight. Future, richer me appreciates it!
You need to run one more test and run the CPU on "prefer cache" in BIOS. This should in theory let you leave all the cores on, not use the dumb game bar, and it will put the heaviest loads on the 3D cache cores first. You may get the result you were looking for with it set like this.
I hope I remember what you said in a couple of months when I buy my new rig.
@oldman1111 did you remember?
@@purpleyeti705 nope! But I have another month.
Thank you for all your work on this, 'tenpoundfortytwo' 👏👏👍👍
I certianly 'hope' that CGI is putting the effort into optimizing the game over all these updates and patches,, ,, Of course more work for you,, testing and testing again,,
No problem!
...just curious, is it possible to run two instances of the game on same PC? Not worried about performance, but rather using some of the multicrew ships in upcoming 3.18, if I should invest in second starter account...
That's a very good question- I've looked into it in the past but couldn't find a (relatively) simple solution. The easier way might be to run a Shadow PC in a browser- but that wouldn't perform that well and costs a fair bit per month.
awesome info
Interesting, the scene on Orison in the background was only getting about 35 FPS at 1080p, which is about what I get from my i7-8700K and 3090 in 3440x1440 resolution. Is it just that particular spot, or are you finding that at, say, the Siege of Orison platforms, it's getting about the same?
It'll cost me some £1,100 + just to upgrade the CPU (thinking I might just get the 7900X3D) because of the chipset change and needing a new PSU, so if it's not getting any actual improvements in the sort of worst-case performance areas, it seems a tall ask.
The render scene test? That particular test is very heavy on the CPU, the rest of Orison isn't as bad. I'm planning on doing another video looking at the 4080 and 7950X3D at 4K and 1440p and I'll include some footage of Orison in that. So hopefully that will help you have an idea of how it performs. I would imagine that the 8700k is bottlenecking you pretty badly in certain parts of the game- I would think that the 3090 can hold up pretty even at 3440x1440.
Somehow I missed this one! I agree with you - for most gamers, the 7800X3D will be worth looking at benchmarks for. I did pick up this CPU, for as you mention, the ability to flex into games but also into quicker CPU software encoding when needed, and it's been a nice (albeit expensive) upgrade from Intel 9th gen.
Your results from disabling the CCD shows that there's optimisation work to be done. I don't think this is necessarily with Star Citizen, I think it's more for AMD/Microsoft in developing the drivers - much like the early E-core P-core learnings for Intel 12th gen back when that first launched. I would hope that with optimisations at driver level, BIOS level, and potentially software level, the dual CCD performance should eventually end up close to, or perhaps slightly exceeding the performance you get with a CCD disabled. But time will tell on that front.
Yep I'm hopeful that Amd/Microsoft will come up with a better solution than the current one! You're right- it's very similar to the e core situation.
In your case this cpu makes complete sense- those extra cores will come in very handy at 4k in certain situations! I've noticed premiere churning through any b roll that I need stabilising really quickly with the 7950x3d.
Great new player guide by the way!
I love to see this! I bit the bullet in January and moved to Zen 4 with a 7900X then more affordable than at release. I’m wondering if the 3D cache helps at all when playing at 4K. Did you see a difference at all between your 7700X and the 7950X3D?
I'm planning on doing some 1440p and 4K testing soon. But I imagine in most areas you wouldn't see much difference at 4K.
the video I wanted , you did it :) thank you
You're welcome!
CCD with Vcache on 7800x3d and 7950x3d are the same speed are they not? Not that it truly matters as you can async OC them with easy on the AM5 platform.
Hmm interesting! I thought it would be a couple of 100 Mhz slower, but I could be wrong!
Nice stuff. Kind of expected, really.
is it possible to disable one of the ccd's on the 5800x3d aswell? would that yield equal performance improvements on SC?
The 5800x3d only has one ccd, so you can't do anything extra to get performance unfortunately!
Thank you for this!
My pleasure!
Thank you a lot I lost out on the sales from Overclockers I places my order and then had to wait till the next day for the email saying that they ran out :(
but going from what you show It may have been a blessing .
May be when they put Gen 12 in place ? I thought it would have done well better with all the cores running but dont look like it
Are you keeping the 7950x3d or selling it ?
Just a quick Did Xbox Game bar show SC as a Game ? or did you have to tick a box to tell it ? LOL
I think Xbox game bar picked it up as a game automatically. Yeah you might have dodged a bullet! I'm going to pick up the 7800X3D, see how that performs and then make a decision. I'll probably sell the 7950X3D- the 7800X3D should be fast enough for video editing.
Great review as always!
Thanks!
Can you do same tests but in 1440p and 4k? Im wondering what we would see in some more gpu bound scenarios
Yep I'll do some testing at 1440p and 4K once 3.18 is live!
Stumbled across your video after seeing 7800x3d tests today and was pleasantly surprised. Thanks for such a helpful video!
Your predictions and simulations definitely seemed to have rang true given the tests releasing today.
A question for you, if you get a chance to respond....I do a bit of productivity work (media encoder, premiere, photoshop, indesign) during the day, but hardcore game by night. Do you think the X3D gains in gaming outweigh the "casual" uses of productivity? Obviously you're making youtube videos so you've also likely had experience waiting on a render export, haha.
I'm debating between 13900k and 7800x3d.
Glad you found the video! 13900k vs 7800X3D is a tricky one for productivity- all the reviews I've seen seem to suggest that the 7800X3D is great for gaming but not for much else! 13900K should be very good for productivity but you've got no upgrade path for the future.
I've found that hardware encoding with the gpu has made exporting videos much quicker- but sometimes scrubbing on a heavy timeline can lag a bit. But I've not noticed much of a difference between the 7700X (which should be a little faster than the 7800X3D) and the 7950X3D, both feel responsive.
I'm in a pre order queue for the 7800X3D so will be able to give some performance numbers at some point. Feel free to ask again to see if I've noticed any difference in premiere.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Thanks! I pulled the trigger on a 13900K given the board I/O options (and appearances) that were available currently.
I'll just have to hope I didn't sacrifice 20-30 FPS or something in the Verse.
Appreciate the response, and the videos. Keep up the great work!
you said with it in "game mode (8core)" the other cores woke up. how much more was used by the other cores and were the 8 cores maxed ? this might be a critical thing when picking a 7950x3d vs 7800x3d imo.
Hard to say exactly, but the 8 non v cache cores looked like they were being utilised as much as the 8 v cache cores. I'm hoping when I get my hands on a real 7800x3d that things will become clearer!
@@tenpoundfortytwo I asked CIG dev directly and was told the game is heavily, heavily multithreaded so you really do want as many cores as you can get. Getting the 'right' processes to run on the cache boosted chiplet will be something the scheduler and CIG need to implement on their end to get the best performance out of these cpus.
I have all my new pc parts on hand and ready..except this CPU. Man AMD blew this release with such little stock :(
Hey guy. You're really good guy. Guy.!
I can only imagine the patience and fortitude you must have to create this content.!!
Thank you much for all your hard work.!!!
I can only hope that RUclips shoes you the monetary appreciation you deserve for the service you provide.!!!!
Excellent info. Excellent video. 👍👍
Thanks very much! Yep takes a while to put together, but I enjoy it! Thanks for the encouragement!
If i buy a 5800x3d, is ther e anything I need to do to get the most out of it like in this video? they both have that 3d v cache right? is it gtg out of the box or do i need to mess with the bios?
5800X3D should be good to go out of the box, all 8 cores have the vcache!
@@tenpoundfortytwo ok thanks a lot!
Are you running the Intel i7’s with fast DDR5? If not that may bring them closer to the AMD chips.
Watch hardware unboxed for that.
@chris20001965 Yeah its fair to say that you could get more out of those i7's with faster RAM. I did do some early ddr5 testing with the 12700kf and found that 5600Mhz wasn't much faster than ddr4 (ruclips.net/video/tIDehRouYZc/видео.html), but much faster kits are available now.
@tenpoundfortytwo, would you like me to compile a data set with a 7950x3d paired with a ASUS TUF 4090? I'm just waiting on the cpu to come in and i'll be building a pc around that with a 2tb 990 samsung ssd and 64gb of Corsair Dominator Platinum 6400 32-40-40-84 ram. I have 4k monitors so I could do a resolution comparison as well.
Feel free, the more data to compare against the better!
Many thanks for your extensive work and analysis. You are using Version 3.17.5 or 3.18 of Star Citizen? Because both versions sometimes deal very differently with the CPU resources.
All of this was done on 3.17.5- you can't really test 3.18 while its on the PTU.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Thank you for your quick response. Then I look forward to the tests under 3.18. I'm curious to see whether and what changes will result.
Yep 3.18 is going to be interesting to test!
could Process Lasso isolate Star Citizen to the V-Cache CCD cores, and ...say let the rest be used for streaming the game? That could be a cost savings instead of running dual-PC 💡
In theory yep, but seeing as most people stream using the encoder in the gpu, it probably wouldn't make much difference to stream performance.
Did you test in 4k at all? I know it's so GPU bound in 4k but i wondered if it helped at all? I'm getting a 4080 and wondered if its worth upgrading my 5900x to the 7800X3D to go with it or if it's wasted money xD
I'll be doing some 1440p and 4k testing over the next few weeks!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Awesome, I'll be eagerly awaiting your video then! o7
Got an ad for the crazy bendable Corsair monitor. Maybe a sign you might be able to get manufacturers to send you hardware for testing in the next year.
Hopefully one day!
Looking forward to the 7800X3D review. I have already purchased the 7950X3D and have no hint of buyer's regret. I'm betting on Star Citizen using all the cores it can get its multi-threaded renderer on.
Thanks for the video
No problem!
@@tenpoundfortytwo In Lorville, What did you have your clouds set to?
Is star citizen compatible with 2 x5690 xeon processors
What people dont understand is 7800x3d is pure gaming and basically nothing else while 7900&7950x3d is gaming and streaming or video editing they can do more stuff in the background while gaming
Most games won't use 16 threads, but what you can do is set affinity for games to only use 3dvcache and everything else the normal cores
well good results, cig has to optimize the scheduler, same with the e core fiasco...
for now I'll stay with my standard 7950x, Star Citizen is still playable on it :). Nice review!
Yep the 7950x will be great for a long while!
@@tenpoundfortytwocan you please compare to 13900k CPU?
Well, after this there is no justification for me buying the 7950x3d... 7800x3d will be the rational option once it comes. Thanks a lot, again for a video worth its weight in gold!
No problem, happy to help!
@TenPoundFourtyTwo Thank you for doing these reviews! Great content as always. I'm still rocking the 5800x3D and a 3080ti. I do play and record my content for SC in 4k (I bought the monitor, so I may as well use it), and while the experience isn't fantastic (Orison!!!) it's not terrible (most times). I have yet to take the plunge into AM5 because of the cost of basically 1/2 a rig, and I want to squeeze my money's worth out of my current rig (Skipping NVidia 4000 series all-together). I would love to see 4k CPU testing with this chip and the 7800x3D when it drops. Do you have more metrics on your Discord or something? I would also love to sync up with you and maybe to some kind of collaboration video or have you as a special guest on our stream nights to promote each other's channels (or vice versa). I'm assuming you are in the UK, but I'm sure we could work it out. Please let me know how to contact you. Take care and again, thank you for putting out this content! - Fist-25 of Fist and Jawa Save the Universe
Great job and tanks. I wonder how the new Intel Xeon cps will perform in SC. They look like they could be very good.
Traditionally SC has been very hungry for clock speed (and now 3D V-Cache), so CPU's with loads of cores haven't been particularly good. But I would be very interested to see how they perform!
It's for gamers who ALSO need 16 cores for productivity tasks, yeah, as AMD said. Rather than having to pick between the 7950X, 7800X3D, and 7700X, you basically get all three in one SKU. I need it for SC and video production myself. Cheers. :T
Yep you are a good example of someone who the 7950X3D makes sense for!
Ye, but they easily could have just put both ccds with vcache
I like to tinker as it is anyway. I can always disable a ccd as needed.
@@mryellow6918 Making BOTH CCDs having V-Cache would mean BOTH CCDs would need lower voltage limits and clocks.
Some programs and game prefer the non V-Cache cores because they're fast. So few workloads would benefit from 16 V-Cache cores that it's not worth producing that product.
Well as a programmer i can use the extra cores for compiling and UnitTests. And sometimes i am rendering videos so i'm quite happy with my 7950X3D ;).
Yep you're a good example of someone who it makes sense for!
Fantastic coverage of these new processors impact on SC performance! 🍺🙂
Thanks!
very nice video, thank you very much. is that the old data from the 5800x3d, or did you take the trouble to do the test again with the current patch and the 5800x3d?
The 5800x3d is from 3.17.4, so basically the same patch as 3.17.5 (they just added some items). So the data should be accurate!
@@tenpoundfortytwo I have the feeling that my 5800x3d creates even higher values. I offer you that we go to the same server together and compare my 5800x3d with your cpu. there is something wrong in my opinion.
@@Lazkopat00611 why don't you just test it and post your results here?
@@TheK9music give me the same method that 10p42 did use and I will…
Try the benchmark again with some CL30 RAM. CL36 will hurt the frames of cores running without 3D V-cache.
Planning on it once RAM prices come down!
Would a Ryzen 5 5600/5600x be good for Star Citizen? im upgrading but cant afford much (at 1080p btw with a Radeon 6600)
ruclips.net/video/Pz7c0VEFjfg/видео.html this will give you an idea of how it should perform. It's a good cpu, and you've always got the option of upgrading to the 5800X3D in the future.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Nice one cheers
so in 4k max settings minus clouds i get well over 100fps with 5800x3d and 7900xtx in new bab.
So as I thought the 7800X3D is the best one. Because it uses all the V-catch. Thanks for confirming this.
Doing the Lord's work you are
Please do the Ghost Hollow Mission for your sc testing 🙂
Wow crazy results ! Thanks for your benchs and explanations.
Do you think thé 7900X3D could achieve a similar result?
I imagine the 7900x3d would perform pretty close to the 7950x3d, but it's only got 6 v cache cores, so I'm not sure it's a great option.
@@tenpoundfortytwo ok i was asking because thé Price différence IS huge
how much more fps does the 5600x or the 5700 get over the 3600 im looking ot upgrade
This is a bit old now but should give you an idea: ruclips.net/video/Pz7c0VEFjfg/видео.html
@@tenpoundfortytwo thanks
Can you repeat the test with a 13900k? Do you get more fps than with the 13700k?
It should perform a bit better than the 13700k, a lot will depend on overclocking and the speed of the RAM. I've heard people getting very good performance out of the 13900k if they push it. Too expensive for me to test at this stage- I'll probably focus on the next gen intel parts.
@@tenpoundfortytwo thank you :)
One thing I wonder, if you restrict the affinity of Star Citizen to 1 to 8 and restrict affinity of other processes to 9 to 16 (and not parking the cores). Would this improve frames? Does someone know if anyone tested this (in star citizen/other CPU games like stellaris/Tarkov).
Thanks for the video, still going for the 7950x3d since I like the boost for productivity with the extra cores. But it's nice that there is a cheaper and better value option!
Edit: changed core numbers from 8 - 16 to 9 - 16
Yeah interesting thought. I've heard people say that using something like project lasso is now quite tricky due to the anti cheat. But might be worth exploring. Yep if you're doing any sort of productivity work the 7950X3D is a great option!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Interestingly when I attempted to define the processor affinity rules for SC via "Process Lasso" on my 7950x3D... SC would still jump between core 1-16 even when ran as admin... however I had no issue with other apps or games that have anti-cheat. Disabling the non-3D CCD via bios seems to effectively be the only way to restrict SC to core 1-8 atm as demonstrated in this video.
You need to apply your core affinities to the rsi launcher and your .exe will carry forward the settings when you launch Star Citizen
@@gromko9145 Ah ok I'll give it a shot tonight when I get home and report my results
Thanks to @gromko9145 I can confirm that you can indeed pin SC to the x3D core(1-8) and it does indeed get higher FPS than the non-x3D cores(9-16). Previously when I had all cores enabled, i experienced some occasional stuttering which I can only assume occured when the game swaped between x3d and non-x3d cores... but that seems to have completly gone away since I parked SC on core 1-8.
I still believe single core clock speed being an important factor so i'm not so sure the 7800X3D might fair that well against the 7950X3D in Star Citizen.
Thanks for this precious test for the kind of niche we are on here as always.
With a 7900X, going from 5.4 GHz to 5.7Ghz, there's no statistically significant improvement in Star Citizen. There might be a detectable difference between 5.0 and 5.7 GHz, but as you can see from the video, the non-V-cache CCD that clocks to 5.7GHz is getting about 22% lower performance than the CCD with the V-cache , which I believe only clocks to 5.0 GHz.
Star Citizen is almost always memory-bound (when not in space, where performance is already great) with modern CPUs, so you get a lot more performance with a faster memory subsystem than with higher clocks. Which the X3D CPUs all achieve with the vastly more L3 cache. Although, as Hardware Unboxed demonstrated, faster DDR5 will still help with X3D CPUs, nearly just as much with non-X3D Zen4 CPUs.
I myself have achieved a 43% performance increase in Star Citizen with manually tuned memory, over the 6000 MT/s EXPO profile the RAM comes with. With a RAM that achieves 85GB/s in bandwidth and 55ns in latency, I'm averaging slightly lower in the Lorville run than "simulated" 7800X3D (7950X3D with only the V-cache CCD enabled) Tenpound has shown in the video, with 96.9 FPS (vs his 99.3). Although, 1% lows are significantly lower on my end (38.3 vs 49.2 for Tenpound). I believe the difference might come from the 7900X using two CCDs, and that having some core-to-core latency impacts that add some stuttering, but I can't proved that.
It’s basically the following question: will the 7800x3d @5.0ghz boost perform the same as a 7950x3d boosting to 5.250ghz. Calling them the same by turning off the 7950x3d ccd is a glipse but not a certainty
@@MrGatz Well, Star Citizen, when eliminating the GPU as a limiting factor, is basically 100% memory bandwidth bound in cities. Performance only scales with the memory subsystem, and while Ryzen synchronizes cache clocks with core clocks (therefore 5.25 GHz core would mean the L1-L3 caches running at the same 5.25 GHz frequency) I personally could not detect any significant difference between 5.4 GHz and 5.7 GHz, so I'd wager there won't be much of a difference with X3D chips as well.
Great video, as always, I hope that the video will pay for the price of the CPU, as it's quite expensive, I'm seeing it above 800 euros over here. I would be interested in seeing this simulated 7800X3D tested with a memory overclock! Could we get 120 fps in Lorville?
Unfortunately it will be lucky to make 10% of the money back! I think I'll wait for the real 7800X3D and use the timing on that, 120 might be in reach!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Oh, that's quite sad, I didn't know that RUclips pays that poorly, you have a fairly high amount of subscribers, and you're in an area with not much competition. Well, on the bright side, at least the CPU is 10% cheaper with the video about it :D
If the simulated 7800X3D scales the same as your 7700X did, than it should be able to get to 110-115 fps. For the different configurations, did you disable the the CCDs from the BIOS? As far as I know, on Windows, the 7950X3D relies on the Xbox Game bar to dynamically assign CPU affinities to games based on what they prefer, but I'd be surprised to see the Game bar recognizing Star Citizen, so I was thinking that if you make an affinity mask for the game in Process Lasso, would that be the same as disabling the non V-cache CCD from the BIOS? Or would it be better, because background tasks then could be offloaded onto the second CCD, leaving more available cache to the game? Oh, I would love to play around with the 7950X3D, but It would be a waste for me to buy one XD
@@cpt.tombstone Yeah there is not a lot of money in RUclips at this level! I did it in the BIOS, but it might be worth trying with lasso!
I would love to see the 7950x3D with the non v cache ccd disabled versus a 13900ks running 8000mhz ddr5 ram and both running a 4090 and tests at 1440p and 4k. I never play games at 1080p and never will. I bought a 4090 so I could get faster 4k frame rates to match or exceed my monitors 120hz refresh rate.
i was waiting for you to do this! Would the 4090 yield any better frames?
Happy to help!
4090 will only improve fps in GPU bound areas like space. Star citizen goes from CPU to GPU bound depending on area so 4090 will improve frames only in certain areas of the game not across the board.
@@unpacker9521 For sure, the big one is when you go into QT. That hits the GPU pretty hard.
Not really SC is VERY heavily CPU/SSD/RAM dependent, changing the CPU gives minor improvement while upgrading the CPU gives massive ones. that will be changing when Vulcan comes in and they program it to take more advantage of the GPU. That why there so many threads about people complaining that their GPU upgrades don't seem to make massive improvements to the FPS.
Running 5800X3D @ 122 fps average on the live and 165 fps on the PTU @ 1440p with HDR on, dont see a point in a need to upgrade while the game still gets optimized these results are great and smooth playing for the time beeing.
Looking at these simulated 7800x3d results, I'm wondering if it's worth buying it when it goes down in price. The performance seems good enough to he future proof for another couple of years at least!
I think in your situation I'd stick with the 5800X3D, but yep if prices drop it might be worth thinking about. But the cost of a motherboard and ddr5 ram will make it a pricey upgrade!
I love star citizen so much i bought the 4090strix and the 7950x3d only for this game. But can I manually switch off the non 3d v-cache using some short of program when playing star citizen? Last thing remain is the dual stick hosas constalation alpha prime with desk mounts grips and bases. Then i can officially play star citizen during my vacation away from my sailor time like 12 hours and day and be almost poor xD
YOU carzy but I respect you
still think you spent your money wiser than buying a javelin. rather have an aurora and your system than a javelin.
I'm also using a 4090 7950x3d combo
@@AlbertoMartinez765 i am in love with star citizen. It is my passion:3
@@unpacker9521 Yes i agree. I love star citizen ships but i already have what i need. Also even if i have the most badass ships what good are they for if my oc can't run the game in good enough levels. :P
I'm betting that with time their scheduling will get better at parking the non-3d chiplet, which will be good for everyone who buys the 7950X3D, but it would still end up only being as good as the 7800X3D most likely... That's a huge bummer. I wonder if they have plans to release a 7950X3D Xtreme or something that has 3D vcache on both chiplets at some point down the line.
I'm kinda torn. Either chip would be a MASSIVE upgrade over my 2700X, and since I use my machine for work I could probably get some benefit from the extra cores, but having to reboot and alter the bios to get the best performance any time I want to play SC sounds like enough of a PITA that I will just never bother after the first couple of times, and waiting (and hoping) that the scheduler gets better in the future feels almost like a fools errand.
If I only ever used my desktop for gaming the decision would be easy...
AMD has already stated that if 3D Cache on both CCD's made it even faster they would have. All it adds on the 7000 series is extra cost and heat to have it on both, per AMD.
The 2700 is a Dinosaur at this point even a 3600X would be a Vast Improvement. I know becuase that what I switched from 2700x to a 5600X and MAN blown away
@@njasicko True, but I never take marketing speak at face value, lol. Plus, plans can change. If they can't get the scheduler to work better, dropping an "all 3D" 7950 part might be worth it if everyone eschews the 7950X3D for the 7800X3D.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 Yeah, the 2700 was a sidegrade I had to make when I lost my i7 6700 (and mobo, both GPUs, psu, and one of my m.2 drives) to a brownout, when funds were extremely tight. It happened just months before the 3xxx parts came out to boot. So I've been yearning for an upgrade, lol
@@FlesHBoX We have all the evidence we need to know that it isn't just marketing. Even before X3D, there were clearly some games that didn't like jumping between CCDs on R9 CPUs. There are also games and Apps that don't benefit from the extra cache at all, in which case the higher clocks win out. No one that literally only cares about gaming should be investing in a 16 core CPU, because that would just be foolish. So a dual v-cache CPU would be for nearly no one. When you look at the $799 MSRP of a 5950X, asking the same of a dual stacked one that has way lower MT would not be appealing to those that need the threads, and can benefit from the cache. Plenty with 5950Xs wanted 5800X3D benefits, while keeping all the cores. As janky as people feel about game bar not even that would have been ready for a 5950X3D. The 7950X3D splits the difference minimizing the hit to MT, and is cheaper than the 5950X was at launch.
The ability to set affinity is built in to windows, and you can just modify application shortcuts to launch with desired affinity. No 3rd party tool needed. 'FFFF' is CCD0, and 'FFFF0000' is CCD1, for the 16 core parts.
I'll have to temper my temptation and stay happy with my 3090 and 5800x3d
Yep the 5800x3d is still an incredible cpu!
In the same boat with a 3090 and 5800X3D and totally happy. My "new" mindset is to upgrade for finished AAA titles, NOT Star Citizen, or else I will go broke chasing after the ends of rainbows.
Very impressive performance statistics from the 7950X3D. Although you've not shown it, I'd say that's probably looking like it could be 15% to 20% higher than the 13900K from Intel, but that processor too is hampered by Star Citizens threading, infact it's unplayable out of the box and you have to disable all the 'E' cores, having said that it's still more than enough for this game.
I believe CIG have been working on an ecore fix for 3.18, so hopefully it's fixed! I do know that people who overclock and run very quick RAM can get a lot of performance out of the 13900k- would love to test one but I'll probably end up focusing on the next gen cpu's from Intel.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Yeah I've been testing it out on my 13900K/4090 system which I'm lucky to have. 3.18 is better but it still stutters, at the moment I still prefer to play with the E cores disabled which thankfully is more than enough performance.
That final test doesn't give me the same conclusion it gave you. The stock 7950X3D tying with the VCache CCD just means the parking behaviour did it's job properly not that the VCache didn't help. You can see that the non VCache CCD was slower. Ideally every test should have had them match like that. In theory the full 7950X3D should be the best as you have 8 extra cores to control the whole computer leaving the VCache ones to focus entirely on running the game but the software isn't there yet. Hopefully they improve the software but until then I'll stay with only half the CPU. Also I need a better CPU cooler despite it's modest power draw.
Thx for the great vid, but why not testing in 1440p?
Need to test CPU's at 1080p so that you're not GPU bottnecked at all, but I'll be doing some 1440p and 4K testing soon!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Sounds good! Keep up the good work!
For the price that those are it really feels like AMD are saying, "Let's see how much these chumps, err, amazing customers are willing to pay." Isn't the 7850X or whatever due out in a month or two? I'm willing to bet that will be the sweet spot for hundreds less.
Yep it's pretty naughty from AMD in my opinion!
Ah, but there's a catch with that one. It will boost 700 MHz lower, about 10 percent! That could be costly
@@eavdmeer It'll also be hundreds of dollars less. Worth it when CIG doesn't even have the gen 12 renderer finished or Vulkan. We also didn't see the comparison that would have made the most sense agaisnt the 13900K.
@@eavdmeer that 700 megahertz boost is only for the non-v cache ccd.
The the VCache CCD is rated at 5ghz
@@Sisko03 right, that makes a lot of sense as the thermal limits seem to be a lot stricter as we saw with the 5800x3d.
I suspect that AMD and Microsoft will be optimizing a lot for this CPU in the future so that the right chiplet gets used. So maybe in a few months most of this problems will be gone.
7800x3d it is! thanks mate
would the 7900x3d perform worse than the 7800x3d for star citizen?
Well the 7900X3D only has 6 cores with v-cache (compared to 8 on the 7800X), so in theory it might perform slightly worse if you turn off the non v cache ccd (SC in its current state doesn't really need more than 6Cores12Threads). I think the 7900X3D makes the least sense out of the 3 cpus AMD have released.
Definitely get the 7950X3D! It's absolutely incredible!
I would shut off the non-v cache ccd in bios.
Now that 3.18 is out, would you care to do this again? :D
I'll definitely be doing plenty of 3.18 testing once I can get in!
@@tenpoundfortytwo awesome! I look forward to it a lot, but I need to say: _thank you_ for taking the time and effort to do this!
Also, don't forget to enjoy it :)
Great test. Agree no need for these big CPUs. Totally unnecessary for gaming
Whats the Ram specs?
ddr5 6000mhz cl36 samsung die. see his ddr5 tuning video.
Good job here.
I intend to get the 7950X3D for two reasons:
A) I wanted to get the 7900X3D at first, mostly because I had hoped for 8 cores connected to V-cache and 4 "normal" cores. Reason? I'd like to record videos of Star Citizen and share 'em in my organization. However, the 7900X3D does feature a symmetric hybrid design with 6 cores on each CCD, resulting in only 6 cores connected to V-cache - which is the reason why I won't get this CPU. It's too much of a trade-off and perhaps the weakest variant of the three 7xxxX3D CPUs.
B) the 7800X3D isn't ready yet and we still have no benchmarks yet. While I believe the 7800X3D will be an amazing pure gaming CPU for a reasonable price, I think it'll not a good pick for me since I want more than just gaming. As I said: recording videos and such, but also working with 3D-CAD and other professional software, I think the 7800X3D won't be a perfect match for me.
Therefore I think I'll fetch that expensive piece of hardware and call it a day. I think, once there's full firmware, driver and O/S support, we won't run into "picked-wrong-core-issues" anymore. ;-)
Yep in your case the 7950X3D makes sense!
the reviews have not been very charitable to the 7900x3d all recommendations are for the 7950x3d
is it confirmed for 7900X3D that it's 6+6? I tough it'll be 8(3D)+4...
7900x3d is 6+6, it has been confirmed by AMD. It is to help them move CCD's with bad yields.
@@njasicko oh, well, then that CPU will be worse of those three...
@@WarlockSRB For sure! Especially when the 7900 non-x Chip exists for a fraction of the cost.
@@njasicko I can imagine how good 7800X3D will be, probably it is the reason why AMD didn't release it, since they wanna sell 7950X3D and 7900X3D...
@@WarlockSRB 100%
So in other words, you get 10% higher FPS in SC with 8 cores than with 16 cores? Then we can conclude that SC doesn't scale with core count well. It seems to have an 8-core bottle neck after which, obviously, the 3D cache starts playing a role. But I wouldn't necessarily conclude that 7800X3D is going to be a better CPU to buy. If SC started using 16 cores, it would be twice slower than 7800X3D.
Will keep my 12900k and 4080rtx and ddr5
Yep, still a great setup!
i have 75-90 fps in 4K, flying in orbit
12600K 5 hhz p-cores 4.1 hhz e-cores
Just control your processes using process lasso, no need for game bar, no need for balanced power mode.
Soo by the fps u shared 7700x iss wayyy better choice than 13700kf? I cant afford the 7959x3d😂
7700x is a good choice and lots cheaper!
My takeaway is a little different in that I care more about the 1% than the average so to me the 7700x is the way to go. I don't see enough difference to warrant the 100+USD for even the 7800x3d.
Thanks for the testing, well done as usual!
That's a very good way to look at it. The 7700x does perform impressively and the price is definitely appealing!
Keep in mind the 3D will do better over a Larger average of Games. There are OTHER Games.
7700x is a great CPU, Amazon has been putting it down to $298 with a clickable coupon on the regular now for over a month.
so again gj AMD
I like both. When I go to play COD then I get the best of both worlds. COD and other games like higher clock speeds so it's the best of both worlds.
You should try comparing it with the i9-13900K
In theory the 13900k should perform just a bit better than the 13700k (depending on RAM and overclocking etc). In an ideal world I'd love to test one, but it's a lot of money!
@@tenpoundfortytwo I have one, if you'd like to let me know what to do, I can send you the footage/data.
@7arkan feel free! I use a program called capframex. I'd focus on lorville, start in the hab and go all the way down to New deal. Repeat!
@@tenpoundfortytwo capframex won't download in any of my browsers (firefox, Chrome)
Would you like me to try another specific software or is MSI Afterburner reliable enough?
Thanks for all this amigo....I just want the game to be released and optimized in my children's life time at this point :/
Completely agree! Some optimization over the next few years would be very welcome.
i dont see any scenario for this cpu. my 13600K is plenty fast, i just paid 339.-
How come you are testing mostly AMD CPUs? Is this due personal preference?
My original plan was to try and test as many i7/r7 cpus from both companies. I've only ended up testing the 7950X3D because they delayed the 7800X3D. Intel is more of a faff to test long term though as you only get 2 gens before needing a new motherboard. No preference for either company though!
you'd get more FPS if you used like ddr5 CL30 or CL32
Yep, definitely- I do plan to pick up some quicker RAM once it drops in price!
so over double the cost of 7700x for another what, tentative 12 fps? lol
YOU CAN"T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!! oh.. oh sorry..
I'm impressed by the 7700x... it's not bad for it's price point
Yep it's definitely a good option
@@tenpoundfortytwo i’m gaming SC in 4k i can buy the 7700x gor 300$ usd or wait and (maybe get the 7800x3d) money’s no object but I don’t want to be wasteful. What do tou recommend? 80% gaming and 20% productivity)
Not sure too many people will be playing Star Citizen with a 7950X3D and a 1080P display. I would love to see these charts w/ 1440P and 4K. Thank you for all this hard work, it's very informative.
Yep I'll do some 1440p and 4K testing once 3.18 is live. You have to start off with 1080p testing for CPU's otherwise you get GPU bottlenecked and you can't tell much!