Forget EVERTHING you THINK you know about AMD... these CPUs kick A$$!!
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2022
- AMDs new CPUs just pulled off the impossible... I can't wait to see how Intel responds.
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Long time Nvidia user but with how greedy Nvidia is with their 4000 series pricing.
I'm rooting for the next-gen Radeons to kick team green's behind.
Same here! I’m waiting for November to decide if I buy the “4080” or the new AMD GPUs
If they get EVGA making Radeon gpus im sure a lot including myself will move completely team red
@@terryohare7049 they are stop working cards,so thats not going to happen!
With the 4000 series ? So the 2000 series and 3000 series was ok?
Looking forward to AMD Radeon 7700 XT!
The fact that it adjusts the RAM timings all by itself on boot is amazing.
I wouldn't mind seeing that feature for am4/ddr4
@@rio-dq9sc I've not noticed any difference whatsoever between an Intel I7-8700k and a Ryzen 7 5800x. They have almost complete parity and there are 0 compatibility issues.
@@josephp1592 You gonna be going waaa waaa when intels new FABs are built... 🤣
People will really argue about anything. If AMD has better CPUs then Intel then great. If Intel has better CPUs then also great.
@@josephp1592 Laughing with 16 cores and 32 threads while just using at max 12 threads. Should’ve spent the more money elsewhere buddy, like faster GPU or larger NVME SSD.
I love that you put an EVGA card front and center... It truly makes me really sad what happened with them so much that I am really wishing that AMD steps it up and makes something competitive against nvidia so I can go with them. I love EVGA so much they had my back even when I destroyed a GPU while water-cooling and told them the truth and they still honored my warranty. Hands down the best partner that nvidia ever had.
Though over the years I've not had a perfect run with EVGA quality, any time something went wrong I had a new piece of hardware in my hands within three days, no questions asked. Sad to see them leaving the VGA market.
He's doing it for sympathy clicks and comments like yours for the sole purpose of tugging on the heart strings of the weak. He's going to milk this moment until the wheels fall off. If people really gave damn that much on EVGA decision they would've been buying up EVGA products since that they love EVGA that much (as they say).
Isn't Evga for brokies?
@@spankbuda7466 There it is. the stupidest thing ive read all day
@@freshnesbro3792 they have/had the best cards in existance.
As a person who does not like pushing any types of overclocking, what AMDs been doing helps me so much and reason been staying with it for long time. I hope their next GPU is as impressive as this.
If these cpus are this insane, I can’t wait to see what the next 3d v-cache CPU’s will do.
After watching linus's video I want the current 3D ryzen! The gaming performance was the best!
That's for gaming. Jay is talking about daily and productivity use... those 40% more multicores and windows responsivity, I guess.
@@tbrowniscool Linus only tested a few games, lot of games where the 7600x is better then the 5800x3D... the 5800x3D is still mighty impressive tho
@@Sinesterr Yeah true it just shocked me how good it still is. I have a custom imaged work laptop for my Sysadm so I only need gaming performance. Just hoping for the price to drop when these new AMD cpus come out. Then I'll buy the 42inch asus oled. R7 3d and a used 3090. Will be sorted for a few years
this is the exact thought i had. Bring me the 3D Parker!!
The animations and graphics of the benchmarks looked really good. I like the highlighting when the notes mattered, such as "lower is better". I usually have to pause those to look closer but this one was really well done that I could watch at full speed and catch all the relevant information. Thanks for always improving, Jay!
Does Jay still edit the videos? I thought he passes the buck to Nick or Phil.
The lower is better stuff, benchmark graphics, all that stuff has always been there for years and years. He isn't improving, he has always been a master of his craft 🙂
Completely agree with Michael, y'all keep getting better and better giving the community a better product/entertainment/information! Keep it up
Agree. I hate LTT's benchmarks were they are jumping randomly between "Lower is better" and "Higher is better" without highlighting which test result is which (yes, they have small text visible on the screen but it's still annoying)
Totally agree. But some of them it was like “okay, bigger is better, but what IS this number? Is it FPS, clock speed?” It would be nice to know what the unit is on each one
I feel like this amount of performance upgrade is a reason to bring back not skunk-works but a skunk-works inspired name. Like how Lockheed had Archangel as a code name. Maybe use one of Skunk-works code names for their planes on a personal build, have a skunk etched into a panel. Obviously not the skunk-works skunk but one wearing a Jay2Cents shirt or something.
Archangel
I love the excitement this is creating... I hope AMD smashes it with their new GPU too, can you imagine if the do a 7950X3D, it will be freaking awesome
I do not think they will make a part like that since Windows has scheduling issues with large core count cpus such as the 5950X/7950X. More likely to just see a 7800X3D. Maybe a 7700 or 7600 but nothing higher than that.
@@VoldoronGaming thanks for the info, that's a shame, one can hope that Microsoft make an update for that so it's possible in the future.
For funsies I crunched the numbers and, IF the added cache improves the 7950X to the same extent it improved the 5800X, then we can expect the 7950X3D to yield 20-25% more frames than the 5800X3D in games where the 5800X3D is currently in the lead.
But there are a lot of unknowns. In addition to the scheduling issues, im not sure how the cache will be able to handle the extra voltage and heat. The cache made the 5800X3D a very cool and low wattage cpu that you cant manually overclock. The 7 series cpus are hot and high wattage cpus that... i guess also cant be manually overclocked because they essentially auto-overclock. Im not sure how they're gonna pull this off, it seems... incompatible? I have faith in team red, but they likely got a serious challenge to overcome.
I'm going to bet the gap in the lineup (no 7800X) is where they'll put the X3D part. I always thought the 5700 and 5800 were too close, this makes the lineup 6 core, 8 core, 8 core with 3d cache, 12 core and 16 core. A clear difference in each part, which I quite like over a slight freq bump.
People buying hardware waiting for software to catchup. Sure with proper tuning software an Intel 6 or 7th gen would be fine pared with any gpu
AMD ist killing it Right now, I just hope they can compete on the GPU front as well.
leaks look super hopeful for this.
With the disaster that is 40 series amd will become number 1 and nvidia will go out of business in a few years at this rate
@@mycattookmykfc1488 they will just adjust pricing, with all the money Nvidia has I doubt they will go out of business anytime soon
@@mycattookmykfc1488 omg fanboys r so dumb…competition is good 🤦♂️
@@mycattookmykfc1488 you know everyone said this before rdna 2 came out and since then AMD has lost market share.
Upgraded from a 1600 to a 5800x this year. I’m blown away by the improvements this gen. I’ll hold on for another gen or two before my next upgrade, can only imagine how much faster things will get by then.
Could you manage to keep the same motherboard?
Edit: I am not asking if it is possible but if DAngel did reuse the same motherboard.
@@AndersHass if your motherboard can support am5 yes
@@AndersHass when going from a 1600 to a 5800x, yes, you can use the same board. The new AMD CPUs use a new socket so now you'd have to upgrade.
I started of with a 5800X and it is insanely fast, I'm so happy with it. Can't be bothered about zen4 even if it is even faster. xD
Next gen will be awesome. DDR5 will have matured, B650 boards will be available etc.
So they've basically enabled PBO by default (technically not true, they've at least increased the default limits).
Previously 5950x was a bit gimped by default - 25k in cinebench when most could achieve 30k by changing 1 setting. This makes the comparisons a bit messed up, would be nice to compare at similar temp/power.
What was the 1 setting that you changed that got you to 30k? Thanks
Thanks for sharing this info Jay, super informative! (Especially about the boot process and ram timings). I'm interested to see how Intel responds
I love to see the EVGA GPUS in the videos lately. Support them as much as we can!
Even tho they are screwing over the people that bought their cards solely for their gpu upgrade plan? They should be sued
@@SuperSavageSpirit Tf u talking about? They are not screwing anyone.
Why? They made a business decision. No need for support.
@Brovideolol How much is EVGA paying you? If they cared about consumers they could have jumped to AMD to bury Nvidia and their garbage. Companies get my support when they support me in the little things.
@@adrianpetrov6365 are they gonna do the step up program for non existent 4000 series cards that they aren't making? They only just mentioned it recently about their warranties and many people buy evga solely for the stepup program and warranties. They knew what the hell they were doing
I love it when two companies compete. Competition brings innovation and technological advancements. I've been waiting for your Amd cpu review. Super excited to see your review on the Radeon 7000s.
same with points of view.
"Competition brings innovation and technological advancements" wow original thought
I hope NVidia will be ruffled up this year and wont continue to go so lazy, greedy and scammy.
@@BeyondTigerMilk "wow original thought" wow original comment
Yep, which means you're a fan of capitalism. And you're right. When companies compete, the consumer is the winner.
I'm in the same exact boat as you Jay, we have had almost the same exact systems through the years and now I'm looking forward to a full AMD build again.
Wow thank you for explaining that about the RAM timings. That's incredible and would also freak me out! And the whole comments at the end about the snappiness sounds amazing. Now I'm itching to upgrade. I'm looking forward to your reviews of 13th Gen. Intel and RDNA 3!
I'm not even close to being in the market for new hardware at the moment, but cool to see big things coming and even more cool to see Jay genuinely hyped about something. Shame Nvidia don't know how to bring it without so much bullshit attached that it cuts through this kind of excitement.
Actually, Nvidia did not fail when it comes to people being excited for their new products. Regardless if the emotions are positive or negative.
i didnt know nvidia made processors my bad. i looked at the video and its about graphics card youre right NOT CPU's...
@@imtoxicAF yeah
Hey Jay! I don't know if you see this, and I hate to have to write this down before even watching the video - but could you add sandbox/physics games to your benchmarks? I know Besiege and Scrap Mechanic would easily overload these CPUs, and I'd be curious to see how V-cache would affect performance in these types of games. (I'm running a 3700X right now, and it struggles a LOT in most my games.)
Edit : so, I know that the frequency at which a game gets updated is important for benchmarks. The rarer, the better, in this case (though, I'd love a few more performance updates for Scrap Mechanic, especially a fix for the awful performance hit when you've explored too much in survival mode). So, since Scrap Mechanic rarely gets updates, it would be an excellent, stable game benchmark for years (sadly) at a time.
Also it seems like I'm top comment (not anymore lol), so thank you all for helping this comment being seen! Oh and, Jay, if you need benchmarks for the games I've proposed, I can probably create a set of benchmarks creations to put a load on the CPU. One thing which would be VERY important to do, though, would be to always use the same creation - and mention that FPS without a heavy creation loaded in and being active doesn't really matter. For example, a CPU with 400 FPS when there's not a lot going on (let's call it CPU A) would look a lot better than one which only has a hundred FPS (CPU B). However, if CPU A only has one or two FPS under heavy load, and CPU B over fifteen (doesn't seem like a lot, but trust me, it is in Scrap Mechanic and Besiege) then CPU B must scale up much better under heavy load on a single core. And I know I'm repeating here, but V-cache tested on these games would be EXTREMELY interesting and useful to know about for many gamers' next builds.
Gmod is an old game and lags because of software issues not hardware, it doesn't even utilize cpus to their max when it is lagging
They have a set number of games and don't want to test other games... Hate to say it, but they don't care about what would be interesting, especially if it's games, that are just badly optimized.
My 9600kf is aging too, 100% usage in SM:R (Spider Man Remastered)
Or blender physics simulations
Yep, and Stormworks too! The game engine only uses one of the cores! lol
Jay, Your videos are always so helpful. Your info on the reboot issue will save hundreds of people heart attcks. That means the world.
I could watch your videos for hours. You taught me sooo much when I first got started several years ago. Thank you
That boot tuning should be done with a progress message on screen showing what it's doing. Because as the CPU designer, they should be able to reconfigure the IO chiplet to drive RAM at the different speeds while keeping the temporary BIOS state somewhere else (like the cache).
If they had it show progress, it would take longer, because it would have to boot to logo every time, then do check. They could show a dialog first boot though just let you know. I remember an abnormally long first boot on recent 5800x upgrade so it isn't out of the ordinary, just a bit longer.
@@xeridea They should definitely show a first time dialogue and then every few boots a simple "Yup, we're still at it!"
I'd even recommend displaying (Or having the data available in BIOS) the tested timings for those who like to OC and can start off more finely tuned.
Naw with this new era of dwarven technology, they can just chuck in a spell of PEBCAK onto the CPU and make it screech the buzzer if you get too close to the power button when it's doing it's thing
how about 7 segment leds on motherboard showing how many reboots remaining until it's done?
And risk corrupting the BIOS? No thanks.
Besides BIOS is not a software (it's more like an FPGA). It can't be stored somewhere else and still functioning.
Imagine how good the 3D v-cache versions are going to be!
When do those come out?
@@zachary_smith1 i believe Q2 2023
@@Funz good thing ill probably overhaul my pc in 2 years. should be quite the upgrade
@@zachary_smith1 No official timeline, but rumours have been saying probably Q1 next year
Can't come out soon enough either, AMD is in an awkward position where the 5800X3D is faster than anything else they offer for games right now, overclocking not withstanding (since the 7950x is supposed to be a monster overclocker and the x3D chips can't). I'm sure it'll be pricey too lol
This is an entire platform upgrade that I'm not ready for. I will happily take a 5800x3d and stay am4 and ddr4 for the next few years until support finds itself lacking.
Socket is not the same as socket. It depends on the chipsets which CPUs are supported. Even people with AM4 cannot know whether they can install an AM4 CPU if they do not know the chipset compatibility.
@@achimgebhardt5982 this is why you spend 30 seconds on the motherboard website and check CPU compatibility. Not hard.
Hey Jay.. Really like the new charts!! Not too busy & a few seconds to let me think about what I've just seen..Really well done - hats off to Nick & Phil!! Great content as always....
wish you luck with the benching marathon you guys are looking at, appreciate the effort you guys are putting into your work.
I like the idea that Jay, Phil and Nick are having a bench pressing marathon while they wait for the benchmarking marathons to run.
When looking at comparisons, I think it pretty much comes down to if you're productivity or gaming focused, for productivity get standard Zen 4, for gaming get the X3D parts when they come out.
Have any X3D parts of these been announced yet?
@@SenorSwagBuns No
Why? The lines between "productivity" and "gaming" are almost non-existant with this kind of performance. These chips are the same chips you would use for productivity as you would for gaming. Did you miss the section where he compared it to Threadripper? Threadripper IS "productivity" in every sense of the word and damn near matched it.
I think Zen 3 is also perfectly fine for productivity 😅My team of 5 programmers uses a shared root server running on a 5950X, and we just can't manage to overload it no matter what we do.
and thats only if you are HEAVY gaming focused.. like super competitive where every extra frame matters. Otherwise, you will not notice day-to-day. k
That's funny to hear about the long boot times. I'm just thinking of the cpu holding a whip and whipping the memory into shape until it gets it right. 😂
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excited for next improvement in amd, i recently got 12th gen intel but still happy to see this performance leap
The performance leap here in this video is faked out, the real gaming performance is about the same as 12700k with worse 1% low. And 12700k may run game at 60w 40c. When 7700x always stay at 70c during gaming.
Amd, zen4 has about 6% ipc increase, having the smallest performance increase in all those gens, zen1 to zen2 10% ipc increase, zen2 to zen 3 20%
The only truth u may find out in this video is how fked up those RUclipsrs are and how u just can’t trust one single word out of their mouth, linus the worst, they got paid to tell u BS.
@@zihechen3111 thats a blatant lie. Please go and stick your intel shill fanboyism up your rear... Intel sucks ass with overheating, underperforming and no really relevant innovations besides (as always) bribing companys to push out the superior competition.
@@zihechen3111 Er no, 12th gen in no way shape or form can keep up with AMD in anything.
Hey Jay! Been watching your videos for the better part of two years and love the content. I've been having graphics driver related issues on the newest AMD optional driver (RX 6700XT) with driver timeouts/black screens on video playback. I was wondering if you might be interested in investigating/making a video on it. Thanks for all the amazing videos and keep up the great work!
I had to uninstall/reinstall the driver and games to get that issue to stop. For example, once my driver was updated, I’d get momentary black screens until I reinstalled the games it was happening in.
Waiting for the 13900K to come out. Be interesting to see the benchmarks between 7950X and 13900K.
I'm psyched about the memory working that way. I would have been scared when I upgraded, but now I'll be calm cool and collected as it finds me the best results for my memory.
Pretty cool how the system will trial and select the best stable timings for you. I like it! However, I hope AMD or the motherboards explicitly document in their manuals that the system will reboot multiple times on first power on. I can see a lot of people flipping the power switch off after a min or 3 boots thinking something is broken.
Imagine how many people will send back the product to the seller the moment they see the device rebooting
If you ever explore r/PCMR long enough, you’ll know this will happen even with labels on the mobo and warnings in the manual. Some folks simply don’t RTFA
@@petemahon5907 RTFA? Read The Fuck*ng..... Article?
@@petemahon5907 RTFM
@@petemahon5907
Reddit is banned in some countries.
Great video!! But at zen3 you also said d was the clear winner right?? What makes you switch only new then?
Looks cool. Only just built my new one last year, so I'm good to go for now. But I look forward to seeing what things look like in a few years once all of this super awesome stuff has stabilized and dropped in cost.
Same, i just built a 12700f CPU PC to emulate the Switch/Smash Bros in yuzu. So smooth with a 980ti. Patience can be power!
@@PrestoJacobson wait you have a 12700f paired with a 980ti?
Woah, I bet looking at those results felt similar to me after building a system with the 5600X for a friend.
"Hey, I think this thing is meant to hit more than 200 in Cinebench R15 single-core, maybe 210-220! *It scored 244?!* "
And cheers for that PSA about RAM training on first boot, hopefully it spreads fast.
About AVX-512, I think it also depends a lot on what specific instructions of it you use. There are some instructions that are only half the width, but allow you to do some stuff in a single instruction instead of using multiple. In those cases even the 2 step AVX-512 can be a significant upgrade and AVX-512 on AMD seems to have no performance downside like it does on Intel. Phoronix has some great benches for that topic. Sometimes it adds only a few percent of perf, sometimes it quadruples it!
@Lurch7861 Alder Lake doesn't support AVX-512 at all thanks to the E-cores. It would be interesting to see Cinebench on Zen 4 with AVX-512 disabled to get a more direct comparison of IPC. Zen 4's AVX-512 is a bit of a compromise design, so it may not be faster to use vs. AVX2.
As for overclocking, mainstream CPUs have been doing turbo boost and bouncing off the TjMax thing for awhile now. In regular use I doubt it will be sitting at 95C all that much. Tests like Prime95 and Cinebench are "worst case scenario" and don't reflect real world usage patterns. The reality is most of the time the CPU is idle. Way back in the dark ages before SpeedStep, CPUs ran at 100% power all the time, even when doing nothing!
@@NJRoadfan Zen4 is designed to sit at TjMax (95C) indefinitely, as long as the workload can make use of the full power of the CPU.
thank you for the heads up on the timing tuning during boot up... good info to know
Sounds epic, you could just run benchmarks during the winter to keep your house warm XD XD. The bit at the end about the boot cycle is so important, i would not have waited that long. They should link to your video on the cpu box lol
Holy shoot! Those numbers are insane Jay. Great seeing AMD doing well with the new AM5.
bro everyone thinks amd is amazing they are doing inside business with nvidia- the owners are related come on.. there is no competition its just them why are ppl failing to realize this? this is a marketing schemeeeeeeee to make it look like there is "competition"
Just wait for 3dx. You would almost never hit a cpu bottle already.
@@lolthekidison For gaming, outside gaming is not recomended as normal one still outperform way ahead as a someone who work and gaming, the normal varian is better for me and others.
@@extreme123dz yea I forget about workstation people. My GPU isnt able to keep up with my 5600x so these numbers are crazy.
@@lolthekidison RUclipsrs pretty much never test the main offenders of cpu bottleneck(like DCS, or Squad, tarkov...etc.)
Also the bottleneck will shift back to cpu as gpu gets even better.
I am eagerly awaiting the EPYC and Threadripper models upcoming, that will set the bar for how a lot of companies upgrade.
My favorite part of the AM5 platform is the ECO mode. ECO105 is amazing. They should put labels on the board or removable stickers that explains the memory training in detail. Sometimes, when a system doesn't post for like a few seconds, it terrifies me. lol
how do you turn eco mode on ?
@@warking4257 unfortunately, right now, its only in the bios on select boards. This is another feature that will be added down the line. Looking forward that this could be turned on and off from within Ryzen Master. Because this is simply amazing to have.
I cannot WAIT to see the userbenchmark reviews
I like how Jay managed to stop himself wringing his hands like a supervillain at the end there.
I’m hyped for AMD. can’t wait to support their extravagant performance and care
"care"... haha. Don't forget AMD is a corporation. The only thing they care about is profit.
You still gonna support them after those prices released today? lol raptor lake will be cheaper and run better.
@@johnnyboogalo4897 I guess you haven't about Intel's share holders complaining about Alder Lake being priced too low. Raptor Lake CPUs will most likely not be cheaper.
@@johnnyboogalo4897 Hard cap on the price, Intel doesn't get to choose low prices this time around
Yes, save the earth by using efficient cpus. Intel uses about double the power consumption, single handedly killing the planet and creating more heat.
Was skeptical on the new architecture but now I am hyped. Hopefully the mid~lower tier CPU is good too.
I'm hoping the same, for most casual gamers the Ryzen 5 was te sweet spot last few years (not breaking bank, and could handle most stuff that was thrown at it)
my system will be in need of a little update in the not too long future (Ryzen 5 2600 + RX580 8GB)
@@renemartens5657 the 5600x will be a nice upgrade for you. No need to upgrade on a new platform, save some money and get a nice gpu. At least that's what I would do.
All I can imagine is Jay dancing in the background to that benchmark music 😂
Upgrading from an Intel Core i7 3770k to the 7950x. Expecting a 7x increase in CPU performance 👌
Try 10x
it's beyond infinity
@@madarasoun3018 depends on the task, but yeah
@@MrColtux it amazed me how u could hold on to 3770k till now. Massive respect. If I remembered correctly, that CPU is like 10 years old.
@@madarasoun3018 built my Gaming PC in highschool, upgraded the GPU in like 2016, couldn't afford to rebuild the whole thing (because DDR4, sockets, etc). So now that I have my big boy job I am going all out.
Jay, 7:00 you supplied the new KPI for Userbenchmark. Lock the CPU to a frequency and check AVX-256 x 2.
What's KPI?
@@sean8102 Key performance indicator. Basically the one measurement that's worth the most. I'm joking that UB is biased and will pick anything to make Intel look good.
I am waiting for Intel 13th Gen and also looking forward to stable overclocking on both new AMD and Intel platforms.
Your benchmark graphs are some of the best I've seen. Granted these are only comparing 2 products, but all of them start at 0, the layout is consistent, and probably my favorite detail, any important information is highlighted yellow. A detail I'm used to hunting for in other channel's reviews is whether a higher or lower score is better. With yours, it was nearly effortless to find out. I just felt like that little detail needed to be appreciated.
it's crazy how many people use graphs that dont start at zero. you may as well not even show a graph if it doesn't.
@@shredmonkey686 it doesn't make sense to make all axis start with zero regardless of the context and content of the graph.
Hardware Unboxed is the king of graphs, haha
probably one of the worst if not the worst of the top tech youtubers, no 1% lows, no 0.1% lows, comparison against 1 intel cpu and 1 game.
@@billyg5733 Yeah agreed, I thought the benchmark graphs on here were extremely lackluster lol I guess to each their own
This cpu looks like a monster! Can't wait to see how the rest of the stack performs.
I'm really excited to see how well these things undervolt. I'm willing to bet that these are beasts even just sitting at 5Ghz.
No point to pay $700 dollars just to throttle it to 5ghz for efficiency. Just get a different CPU.
@@elforeign I'm thinking for SFF applications.
@@GOPACKERSJT Definitely, but given the performance is so dependent on the high clock speed then I still would recommend a different CPU lower in the stack. I hope someone actually does some reviews specific to SFF and cooling solutions.
@@elforeign the lower ones are even faster because of the low core count 😂
I'm under-volted and mine screams compared to stock settings and it runs at half the temperature (ryzen9) cini scores are nuts, right under the thread-ripper.
The other way you can thermal throttle is to pulse width modulate HALT/C1 state part of the time. That was the only way the P4 could thermal throttle. They realized that it would be better to lower the clock and voltage, but I wonder if the Zen 4 reverted to HALT/C1 since you told it to lock the clock. I can't see any other way it could keep the temp from going over 95 C. Also my older Intel system seems to have the limit set to 95 or 100 C as well.
Jay .... Thanks for the reboot info... As these haven't been released yet, I WOULDN'T know ... But thanks for the heads up so I know what to expect when building these...
I think I am gonna do a full AMD build for my next computer, never had an AMD CPU before and I haven't had an AMD GPU for a while but I am looking forward to it. Bring on the heat RNDA 3!
Very nice to see, though the lower tiered CPUs will be the most interesting for value propositions.
And I'm 100% with you on hoping that RDNA3 can deliver as hard as Zen4 seems to deliver right now. Whilst hopefully also not charging us an arm, a leg and both kidneys to afford one like Nvidia is setting their MSRPs with their 40-series right now.
Right now the used mining nvidia card are everywhere
I have an OLD pc right now and I'm looking to upgrade. I have an Intel 2600k and gtx1070. Would I be ok to get something like a 5600x or should I be trying for the new 7000 series? Also same question for the gpu. I've been going between 6800xt or 3080 but should I just wait or are lower prices on current Gen good enough?
Jay describing the boot sequence reminded me of the swamp castle king from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "The third one burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up!" 😂
I can't imagine replacing my Ryzen 7 3700x anytime soon but its nice to know when I do, there will be great options to choose from.
Bought a Ryzen 5500 last month. Wont need to replace it anytime soon. Game devs are dont build for the latest and greatest...its too narrow a market and games are just too expensive. I am good for 3 years at least. Still good 7000 cpus though. If time is money its worth it.
@@brokeandtired cant affor it.crack it ngl rich people buy games man.
I also have a 3700X rn, but i'm going to upgrade to 7000 since my actual computer is going to become a full video edition machine in an office
same, no reason to replace 3700X.. but it is cool to think about. I just imagine buying one of these zen 4 chips on ebay in several years for $70, feels good man
@@BallanOff might want to learn to spell video editing before going into that field
Hey Jay! Try to use different coolers on the same CPU, to see how the clock lowers as you provide a worse cooling
More poor, you say?
@@iterminator309 sorry, english is not my native language
@@CaioBoaMorte,nor is it mine. It's cool though, I laughed.
Next time, I suggest you use "worse" instead.
The socket design is WILD! The auto RAM timing adjustments are just amazing.
Jay said if the caps loose power completely it will do it again. So what if u turn off the pc over night and u turn it on the next day and the caps are drained so it will boot loop? Am gonna be pissed if that happens
In case anyone else wonders this, The cmos battery can hold settings without power for up to 3 years, So would only be an issue it you cleared it.
wow thanks for supporting us down onder mate good on you mate. And good on you for trying our aussie accent nice one jason i wish we had a store like micro center down under it would make the shopping expercine much better and more efficient. 😉😀😎
Now that both new CPUs and GPUs have turned into sauna stoves, it would be interesting to see all kinds of custom watercooling tests with the new hardware. For example how many and large radiators does one need to get all the performance out of these new components!
I think no radiator will keep this cool, as the bottleneck may be the thermal paste. It on GN review, it shot up to 95C in 8 seconds, making the size if your tank mostly irrelevant. Likely need liquid metal. I have heard good things with delidding though.
Looking forward to see what the AMD GPU looks like now.
probably ramps up to 95c in the first 8 seconds then sits there slowly turning your room into a sauna
@@Desalater2 It's the watts dissipated that effect your room, not the operating temp of the chip. Think about how Intel's die shaving actually works. If the chip is still pulling 220w, yet the shaving allows the heat to escape faster, its dumping the same amount of heat in the room, just faster. Since you're clearly taking a jab at the CPUs, there is generally an end goal to having a CPU fully loaded. If Zen 4 and Alder Lake are at the same wattage, yet ADL dissipates its heat faster, and takes 40% longer to complete the same task, which one is actually worse for the human sitting in the room with it?
Man, you’re so passionate about the subject that I expect you have to remain behind the desk the whole video; That's the spirit - arguably the most knowledgeable dude in RUclipsland 🤜
Question on AMD EXPO - will timing adjustment be active on ANY RAM on AM5, or just EXPO on AM5? And will EXPO do the same thing on other platforms?
I would like to see @JayzTwoCents do a custom water cooling loop with several radiators to see if it's even possible to have less than 95ºC on the CPU with stock settings. And maybe compare scores between a NH-D15, a 360 AIO and huge custom loop.
I concur, we can even compare their efficiency against the i7-15700k on that loop
Fun retrospective:)
7950x temps dropped to 70c when de-lidded by der8auer. It looks like the IHS is too thick.
@@seeyouaunty I hope this blows up because this info can change a lot of perspective.
If you have a rysen 9 turn your cpu to 99% no temp problems
I think every single build is going to be loud and windy. You're definitely going to heat up a room.
I read a story a few weeks back on TPU that the MB's were setting the voltage high and that you could undervolt it a little bit, still hit the high MHZ and the temps drop BY A LOT. So I read. I'm wondering if you saw this story and if you tried undervolting it slighty and seeing if that made a difference to the temps?
The temps are fine. It's supposed to run at 95c. Even hardware unboxed pointed the same thing out in their review of the 7600x
@@toxicavenger6172 I understand that. But if it's true that you can undervolt, run at the same speed and lower the temps at the same time, it's worth exploring/doing no?
@@ancientevil8044 it won't lower the temps though because of how they engineered it unless you can disable whatever setting causes it to hit that temp target every time. Sounds like you should be able to since it should be tied to PBO.
Any word on when we'll see some specific liquid cooling motherboards for the X670/X670E platform? I was really hoping to see MSI launch another EK partnership motherboard, but I haven't seen an integrated monoblock board from any of the big names yet.
The story is helpful, the explanation is great, love the video!
(Better than LTT infodump video that left me confused)
So the question I have is... How does the new AM5 platform handle DDR5 and how many sticks you can run? Is the same issue present where the system wouldn't boot if you ran 4 sticks?
Hardware Unboxed did testing with 4 sticks and had zero issue.
I absolutely love how you finished this statement. RDNA2 offered a decent competition to RTX 3000, but we need AMD to kill it with RDNA3. I have an X570 5800X system with a 6900XT in it. I wanted an EVGA 3090 to go with the processor, but when I finally got my hands on a 3090, I didn't like the memory temps, so I stuck with my current setup. I plan on staying with this setup for another year or so (I was a day 1 adopter of Ryzen 7 1800x and x370(first asus board didn't have a BIOS so I swapped to a Crosshair VI), and it had a lot of teething issues). I will save and wait for the next release of AM5. However, I think I may upgrade my video card depending on what AMD releases, but I can tell you for sure, it will not be an RTX card.
Jay, do you imagine we may eventually see an X3D (3D V-cache) version of the new CPU's, as the pervious X3D CPU's were really good and are still VERY competitive even against all of the latest CPU's?
AMD has said that it will. Keep in mind that there's probably a reason why there is no release of the 7800X in the stack, yet.
@@Theorica The reason is most likely Intel 13th gen and self cannibalism.
The orientation of the radiator was doing my head in.
Just you explaining the boot sequences and what it does nearly melted my brains, and it fascinates me to know that some one actually thought this thru with a bit more powered brain 🧠
Upvote to give Jay a high-five for all his and his teams amazing and hard work! Love ya Jay!
jayz for president!
Nah I upvote video
You know they make money from this right?
Whats with people thanking career youtubers and for doing their job ?
@@prla5400 Well duh, do that too;)
@@pranabgill1310 Well obviously they make money from this, but they also choose to do a poor job or do a good job. FYI, they do a pretty darn good job.
Your comment is just.. ignant.
With the top SKU's getting AIO-/watercooling as a recommendation, do you think you could make a video on what to look out for in an AIO and what kind of maintenance you may (not) need to do on it?
I swear I only watch JTC for the comedy along the way. The info and facts along the way are just a side benefit. Love the channel Jay👍🇦🇺
FX8350 was such a great CPU! The longevity it had... Mine was nearly 8 years old when I changed it and it wasn't because I actually _needed_ to change it. It was still running properly all the games I wanted to play. I mean... I went from FX8350 to Ryzen 3600X and didn't really *notice* much of a different. But yeah... I wasn't playing Crysis! :P
Hell yea!! BULLDOZER POWAAA>
I just build a new rig 3 months ago and upgraded from FX8350 + R9 290x to a 5950x + 3080TI FT3, the difference is unbelievable but yea the fx8350 was a monster of a CPU for its time and price!
still using fx 8350 with 1070 atm
Im still on fx 8120 black edition overclocked too 4.6 and Radeon 290x also overclocked, Planing on going 7700x paired with an 6700x.
Bulldozer was such a dud. CPU's had terrible single threaded performance and they had a lawsuit against them because it's not even a true 8 core CPU. Hense why it only scores 6,100 on CPU mark.
It's so wild seeing Intel just give up. When they went to having only a couple of good cores and then filling the die up with a bunch of weak cores it was the beginning of the end.
With the ECC on DDR5, would a 7950X not make a decent server for a startup? Or would Xeon still be the best option?
I can't wait to get one, I am more for the 7900x just because above 500 is a bit insane for me rn, I just don't wanna adopt too early and deal with the issues but I don't wanna wait that much longer either.
You know one thing that I don't know/think is practical, but I would like seeing high-end emulation benchmarks. It is becoming more of a thing these days. But it is also one area that Intel seem to have an unfair advantage for whatever reason. From what I am reading so far sounds like the 7k series is no different and to really get the performance out of the 7000 series you would need for higher emulation would require a custom water loop just to keep the temps down. Just a thought.
Edit: BTW, thanks Jay and the rest of the crew your channel is still one of the first I watch.
AMD made a mistake making the new CPU's AM4 cooler compatible. They had to make the IHS on them much thicker as a result and they've lost a lot of cooling potential because of it. If you OC it, take off the IHS and cool the die directly and see how much better the cooling is.
I think Derbauer did that and dropped like 20 or 25 degrees C.
I recently bought the corsair Icue h100i rgb pro xt and it shows a liquid temp of 50 Celsius on startup and will go over 65 when gaming is this normal? i kno it doesn't match the video but was thinking i could get a quicker response as its a newer video.
@JayzTwoCents you make the best videos, man! Always genuine! Thanks!
Jay, i'm interested in seeing you do a video on undervolting Ryzen 7000 to see if there can be some optimizations made there and as a general guide to undervolting. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be looking at undervolting Ryzen 7000 just because they don't want to see 95c temps.
Agreed i my have to undervolt my custom water cooled 5900x to prevent shutdowns because my stupid asus motherboard shutsoff if the cpu goes above 85c. A 240mm rad should be able to cool a cpu even in summer at stock settings. Its just not user friendly to have to undervolt. Thats where intel has the uperhand. They just work out of the box even if they run hot with the stock cooler
Look no further, check out AMD's ECO mode. It's officially in starting from Ryzen 7000.
That's not how these CPUs work now. They'll just try to throttle up more to hit 95. That's normal and expected.
@@alexanderschulte8248 maybe you can change a settings in your bios?
I'm stoked AMD is continually improving. I upgraded from a 1600 to a 5600 recently so I'm good for at least another gen or maybe longer depending on what I'm feeling, but I'm excited to upgrade when I do. Depending on pricing I may jump on RDNA 3 if not my gtx 1080 has life in it and I'd need to upgrade my monitor to really make that upgrade worth it.
I am on a i7 9700k heheh, hopefully I can get the 8core 16thread ryzen 7000 series CPU. Gonna be a massive upgrade for me 😉
@@thealien_ali3382 Wait for a Ryzen 7800X3D
@@damienjeremytrotman94 Honestly, how impressive and innovative is for your CPU to run 95C regardless of cooler type. The engineers will say anything for the purpose of any type of gain and to have some leverage and eventual that absurd info will sink-in in already hyped people and enthusiasts, at the cost of premature degradation because no way, at 95C anything can have healthy long life, that is virtually 5C before boiling point.
I can bet, the first months after release, there will be a ton of issues and remorse.
@@brianmiller1574 have you thought that maybe better IHS designs and alloys have come into play that make it not matter so much that's it's at 95c? Clearly what AMD is doing is making it so, the better your cooler is, the better performance you AUTOMATICALLY can gain from this design. No need to fuss with manually changing settings to get more performance but, if you do, expect to be able to draw even more out.
@@brianmiller1574 intel has been sitting at 105c without issues. I would expect this much from an 800mhz clock increase lmao.
Hi guys, my system X670E ASUS TUF - 7950X - DDR5 6000 TRIDENT Z5 AMD EXPO, has orange light on the Mobo and won't boot, I guess it is what Jay is talking about first time boot or might be something else?with that rams, any suggestions?
IMO what you experienced with that performance & smoothness in Windows is the various Intel bug workarounds for the Spectre and other similar bugs.
It's cool that AM5 will will automatically adjust RAM timings with EXPO supported memory. Will XMP memory do this too?
XMP has the 4 primary timings and a few more, but recently some other timings on DDR5 (and even on DDR4 like tFAW) have proven to give quite a bit of performance, so they added them to Expo. I don't know why the downside is the longer memory training...
I'm definitely going AMD next time I buy myself a new computer. :) I am currently running an Intel Core i5 9400, and it can certainly use an upgrade. It's paired with my GeForce GTX 1650 Super, which will also probably be an AMD upgrade once I've got enough money saved up to upgrade.
Moved from blue to red team when I went from a 6600k to a 5600x after all the stink from how intel wasn't trying, loving it.
eyes and kidneys come in pairs ;)
Wait probably for early next year, when everything is properly priced. Early adopters would always spend more than it should be.
So jay what will happen if u leave Ur pc off for a day or two, will it start ram training again and start boot looping? That does not seem normal at all
What are they like with the 6000 series graphics cards, taking advantage of Smart Memory Access available?
Man I wish I could do that testing your doing over there. Just seeing what AM5 could do must be nuts. RDNA 3 VS Lovelace will be good, it has to be, RDNA 2 showed AMD can make a GPU worth buying, yes I own a 5700xt and that was worth it, but Nvidia just had more all aroundness. Soon we all will be running PI's and Mocha PC's because AMD/Intel/Nvidia will be too expensive....I wonder what they have coming out? Pricing is crazy and it's understandable but my wallet is not intelligent so...
This great info for SO MANY REASONS! I'm a long time Intel CPU Guy, but no Fan-BOI. Its great that AMD dropped the Hammer on Intel to REALLY Push them. Its also great that as an FS2020 player I will potentially be getting some good performance Uplift, so I'm jazzed to see what you will show us perf-wise in the coming weeks. I plan to update from my 10-850K to a 7950 if this plays out as I hope it will so this info is gonna be critical for me at least.
The thing is that Intel doesn't need AMD to feel the need to "be pushed". They announced to investors as far back as 2016 that they were technologically limited in their manufacturing capabilities moving forwards and had new fabs in the works. Intel now has two facilities in Arizona nearing completion, another two in Ohio, projected to open in 2024 and another three or four in the works in Europe.
Think of it like this, Intel has squeezed a lot out of the 14nm chipsets to the point that they stayed relevant, if not the clear leader, for several years up until AMD dropped Ryzen. Once AMD dropped Ryzen Intel was still able to stay in the fight simply by squeezing blood from a rock. Then Intel gets mocked for calling their 10nm their Intel-7 because its 10nm matches the density of 7nm only to drop the 12900k with a ridiculous amount of performance for 10nm no matter which way you cut it. You'd be lying if you said that the 12900k isn't an impressive chip by any measure.
I will say this, AMD was incredibly smart to kind of rebrand what is expected of an i9 kind of like Intel was smart to rebrand workstations with the i3, 5 and 7 then eventually 9. The irony here is the first i9 models were the 7980XE, 7960X, 7940X and 7920X. AMD basically targeted Intels enterprise level chips and said they could do it on the consumer market for half the price or less. Remember, the i9 was basically in response to the first gen Ryzen that delivered Q1 of 2017 and had never existed before then otherwise I probably would have had one. I think Intel is expected to launch their first chips from the one new fab in 2023; I have tempered expectations simply because I understand the hurdles that come with a new facility, new process, new equipment and technology relatively speaking but do absolute expect it to compete. I expect it to be a few years before we see 7nm or 5nm processes as these other fabs begin to go online but once Intel is on even footing I think we will see some exciting things from both.
This 7950X looks very appealing but my 10850k has suited me very well even in MSFS2020. I'm probably going to hang tight for another year or two and see what happens. I know one thing, I've never had to deal with USB ghosting or picky RAM and I currently have a lot more than 16 certified choices of RAM to chose from. I seem to have far less driver issues in general than my friends with AMD outside of the occasional windows updates that tend to be annoying for everyone in general.
As a long time builder and user of workstation grade hardware I am actually not that impressed with the current benchmarks for the Zen 4 series . Compared to core I9 12900k the uplift is pretty reasonable but if the ipc figures for raptor lake are within the current margins of the Leaked benchmark Amd will be in trouble because they won’t be able to claim to be either the performance leader (except for some multi core benchmarks and avx512) and certainly not the value leader in all but some specific parts of the market .
Cool stuff. Good explanation about the temperatures. A lot of people freak out and are scared of high temps if they're not under 80c~ xD. No throttle/overheating/shutdown? No worries...
I like your reviews b/c they not only have the boring benchmarks that are concrete factual information but also the "it feels . . ." statements b/c perception often is reality. My question is, for something like video rendering where you might be relying on CUDA h.265 more than the CPU does the CPU still play a part, or will you see more of the benefits during editing such as scrubbing the timeline, or dealing with motion graphics a la fusion (I'm a davinci resolve user). Great review. I have a 5950x, so I'm still in the camp of maybe waiting until the next gen as I feel it still has plenty of life.
AM64 was my first, I built the PC, CPU. I then went Core 2 Quad, then 4770k, then 2700X now 5950X. It's been fun watching the technological journey.