7800X3D Tuned vs 13900K Tuned in 3.23 CPU Benchmark
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:31 Lorville Run and Benchmark
1:23 Tenpoundfortytwo lorville run
2:27 Orison Benchmark
2:50 Area 18 Benchmark 
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Thank for testing star citizen(few RUclips contente producer do this game). I have a small remark to improve the content, you should add the power consumption (in watts) because it also a very important variable for decision making (comparing performance without that as a context is a little problematic).
Thank you for the time you put into those tests. Please can you compare a regular 7700X to the 7800X3D in VULKAN specifically to see if the V-cache helps in the newer API as much as it does in DX11? This is something I really want to know.
Really? A $550 CPU with $200 RAM is faster in some scenarios than a $350 CPU with $100 RAM? Couldn't figured it out by myself.
Actually all of internet now says the X3d is faster in everything, so theres nice to see some actual test showing objective data.
@@impuls60 Intel 13th and 14th gen are burning out even at stock power settings. It's not really possible to be objective when one side blatantly cheats by lying about how much power their chips can take, and then blames motherboard vendors when their chips begin losing stability or dying.
@@impuls60 Ryzen X3D CPUs are faster in everything in default non OC and even settings aka if the RAM speed and power usage were the same
Note how the video didn't post the power usage of the 13900k and only 7800X3D
I know from experience 13900k easily uses double the power of 7800X3D
Dont talk about stuff u dont know
13900 KS here... Since day one, no power limit... Cinebench 300W easily, the only thing that has been done to it is paired it with high end mobbo and slightly undervolt it... Still works like a brand new, no hiccups, issues...just plug and play .
To the guy that says 7800x3d is faster in everything.. more than welcome to test that theory - in blenders and work loads .. ;) it will dance laps around amd .
Btw not an Intel fan, actually considering swapping this for amd build as lately I haven't been using it for anything besides gaming.
Total cost and power consumption would be nice to see for a well rounded comparison.
Nice results and great video as always, thanks man!
Really appreciate the time, effort and passion you put into doing these benchmarks. Really informative and useful for comparisons. Thanks.
Would be interesting to find out, if it is the additional cores of the 13900k helping here, or the architecture.
Have you tried disabling the E-Cores - so you compare 8-Core + HT for both?
Yes I have done a video on this in the patch, the video still holds true except that enabling e-cores now doesn’t impact your performance. So you can have e-cores on without getting stutters but it will not improve your performance.
@@gamedaytoday1 i see no shutters with e cores on now, but i have less performance with e-cores on :( 13900k 4090 here
Zen5 9000 Series will be out next month can't wait to see your tuned results against the 7800X3D and 13900K! Do you think the CPU will be better than 7800X3D or 13900K in star citizen?
Yes, the 7700X tuned is already almost on par with the 13900K. If Zen 5 IPC is 10% or more better its going to beat both.
@@gamedaytoday1 Oh wow. The 7700x is better than the 7800x3D?
@@gamedaytoday1I've heard that 6400mhz memory was spotted in a 9XXX cpu benchmark so hopefully better memory can also help the ryzens.
It won't be out next month. Maybe just for a few reviewers if that.
Good luck getting it yourself though.
Besides, Intel also brings out new CPUs, so the performance parity will be broken for once in 5 years.
@@jonahhekmatyar Its not the memory, its the Ryzen cpu that cant handle higher speeds.
Did you give a try @4K? I'd like to know if it's the same kind of gap we can hope in that resolution. (From stock to tuned)
Like is it really worth it to tune intel's cpu over a stock 7800x3d for 4k SC gaming (with 4090) thanks mate!
When you run 4K with DLSS at quality it’s the same gap. The gap is less at 4K native but the 1% lows are still bad in 4K native if you don’t tune. I will make a video on that once the new CPUs are out. I made a 4K video comparison in my previous videos check em out
@@gamedaytoday1 thanks for reply! Oh yeah so it was on this other video, wasn't sure if it was you or tenpound who did it haha. Well I can't wait to see how it's going with the new CPUs coming out! Really looking forward your expertise on this!
@@gamedaytoday1hi there, how much vram/memory is used on rtx 4090 on 4k ? With max settings ? Is the memory on the rtx 4090 a problem or bottleneck ? For 4k gaming ?
Where is your timings???
They seemed to have fixed the e core issue. Runs much better now without Lasso on a 13900. Surprised how much they’ve improved performance recently.
Whoa, this is exactly the video i was looking for. Great timing on the release! (for me personally anyways lol)
hey man LOVE your videos and i also watch tenpound42 but yours seem better but could you do a video and how to overclock ram? I can build a computer with my eyes closed but i'm so scared to overclock stuff cuz i blew up my old fx 8300 years ago. I currently run a 5800x3d with a 7800xt with 3600mhz cl 16 CORSAIR Vengeance ram thanks!!!
I just rewatched a video of yours saying my ram sucks lol when i can afford it i'll get the viper series.
I currently have 5800x (not 3d), should I upgrade now to 7800x3d, wait for zen5, or wait for arrowlake? I just want to experience 1% lows of at least 50 fps everywhere in the game.
Wait for zen5,
@@gamedaytoday1 thank you sir.
@@gamedaytoday1 Do you think the ram potential for oc will be higher than zen4?
@@philipm5043 yes overall I think zen5 will have a slightly better infinity fabric, if so then RAM would OC higher than zen4
stock 13900k resuilts in 1042 lorville run. ?
I did it in the past it is complete Garbage
I actually forgot to do it this time around good pint will do it next time. There is a video in my channel where I did it for a previous patch
Can't wait to see results of a tuned Ryzen 9700X vs 7700X and 7800X3D vs Intel.
Zen5 with its 14% increase in IPC could beat everything when tuned.
No Zentimings? No TM5 or Karhu? FCLK? Fully tuned 7800x3d would mean you also do ECLK and at least 2200 FCLK @ 6600 MT/s is "near" full tune. With tuned subtimings.
What i can see from this is your aida64 scores are lower than my 6200 MT/s @ 2167 FCLK.
Also go test FiveM and see what happens to 13900k or 14900k
This is atleast in my country a 528 euro ( intel ) cpu vs a 330 euro ( amd ) cpu. With the AMD cpu using way less power compared to the 13900k. I would run the 7800x3d any day over the intel.
Great video as always. Very happy with the result and the consistency of the performance! Keep the videos coming, bro!🏆
Hello! From where i can download Game Day tuned OS or what are the tweaks thanks!
Haven't kept up with this game at all. Holy crap less than 90fps in 1080p with a 4090?
That's roberts space industries for ya
That's the point of these CPU comparisons with tuned memory which helps performance given that SC is heavily CPU bottlenecked. At 4K with max settings the GPU comes more into play. Consider also that these are the most performant impacting scenarios, test runs the cities. Once away from cities GPU and/ or DLSS/TSR etc. the GPU can run max. FPS with maxed settings really looking good now, even still in Alpha.
Once they enable multithreading support to Vulkan and continue developing it for the game, it will make a big difference also. But most modern MMOs tend to be CPU intensive.
Thanks dude for testing this!!!
great video as always thank you. guys dont forget to subscribe!
Great video!!! Thanks
E cores on or off?
You really believe those measly E cores could perform this well? Are you high?
@@PinchOfLuck I've seen lots of test showing SC running best with ecores on last year.
framechasers said ecores fuck with your fps so they should be turned off for max results
Off ofcourse.
SC really strugles with e cores on, lots of stuttering
@@impuls60 I’m not sure either I was running only P cores and then turned on my E cores and they were both nice as heck
try 7800x3d and 8000 mhz ram
With Zen 4 chips you get no benefit from higher RAM speeds. Higher speeds can actually hurt performance because the memory clock has to run in gear 2 which is slower.
good luck booting like that
@@brianrobinson3961 Wrong, 7950x3d gains benefits from running 8000 MT/s over 6000, 6200 or 6400. Due dual CCD and it can run speeds above 100k because higher clock on ram and bandwidth gain, meanwhile 7800x3d is "walled" at around 70k 72k max probably which means 7800x3d in my opinion should be focused on 6200, 6400 or 6600 depending how good your bin is.
Yay.....
not really a shock that equipment twice as expensive is maybe 20% faster
Weak argument
But that has always been the case for the highend. You pay 100% more and need 100% more power for the tiniest but of extra performance.
7950x Ryzen and 13900k are still the best CPUs of 2.5 years
I don't project to see Arrow Lake and 9000 series to be amazing, but 9000 should beat 14900k (finally), but still not worth the upgrade from 13900k that I own
7950x was a solid cpu for work, but not as strong as 13900k, about 25-30% worse performance in games with 7950x
We might have to wait 2 more generations after 14900k to see worthy successors to Intel, and at least 1 more gen for AMD
just wish a game like this wasn't so IPC limited. can't believe it after all this time, can't utilise multi core/thread properly
It can always use multi-thread better, lets hope it does with Vulkan Multi-thread optimisation
"all this time"?
The Vulkan-renderer just got released few month ago - and it is not even finished.
@ThorDyrden games have been using multithreading successfully for years now e.g. dx12. Star Citizen being limited like this for so long is embarrassing
@@lyntonbell7604 1st - part of the new renderer is not multithreaded yet - the whole game is using multi-core pretty decent on my system. It still is more CPU-heavy, than some other games... but with all the simulation going on I would not expect that to change significantly.
2nd - "after all this years" ... I know - you can't hear it any more - but the game is not even released and optimization is mostly at the end of a game-development process, when the features and technology is stable.
E.g. why should they have invested heavily in optimizing for DX11, when they already know for years they will shift to Vulcan?
@@ThorDyrden I just tried the intro screen where you build character. cpu utilisation 30% on a 5800x3d. I'll have to take your word for it, just don't believe my 4090 is getting an proper test at all and the cpu side does not feel there yet on vulkan. it's just taken so long for a normal modern architecture to come to bear and with all that money they have
why are you using 1080p screen with that setup
It’s a cpu benchmark, how do you think you should test the performance of a CPU?
You must do a test in 1440p.
Then it isn't a CPU test, the point of running at low resolution is for the GPU not to be the bottleneck.
But basically the more you increase the resolution the closer the results will be, I would guess at 4k they are identical.
and untuned 14900k is just badddd
not just untuned - the default settings of most motherboards are insanely bad auto-overclocks that just destroy your CPU without any performance benefits.
13900k is a beast.. i think 3d vcache is hype to be honest
3d vcache is good but star citizen require a large vcache maybe 9800X3D will be bigger.
its not, some games use it more than others, in this case it is still not enough
lol Lot of other games runs better on 7800x3d and your conclusion is that this is the hardware thing? It's clearly game dev thing to optimize the game and for now we have evidence that there is much to do for AMD CPUs
Vcache is good but the 7800x3d cores arent as strong as the 13900k's. The vcache can only take it so far.
Zen 5 will be something else tho (presumably).
Na more cache is great. Intel had experimented with that years ago but sadly discontinued that.