Star Citizen 7700X vs 7800X3D CPU & RAM benchmark (5200Mhz vs 6000mhz vs 6400mhz tuned)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The 7700x Max OC and Tune takes the performance crown over the 7800X3D Max OC and Tune. Star Citizen does not care about its 96mb V-Cache,
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Would you make a video on what you did to achieve the clocks and memory timings you did?
I bought a 7800x3d. Star citizen isn't the only game out there and 7700x is far behind when paired with 4090
Sadly no one reviews with tuned memory timings. If you memory is crap, the cached CPUs are gold. Therefore it is better for most gamers. For those who tweak, you can save some money.
@@vulcan4dI use builzoid's timings with my 7700x and it closes the gap very nicely.
It would be interesting to see if these results are the same with other games with the same memory tweaking.
Can't wait for the next video. I am in the progress of upgrading from the I9 9900k and my first little research pointed at the 7800X3D. You swayed me now... Also please make a detailed memory tuning video at one point.
Note that 7700x tuned is only better in star citizen as far as I know for other games please refer to other reviewers as I am only covering star citizen at the moment. If I where to test other games which ones would you want to see me cover?
@@gamedaytoday1 Star Citizen is my main interest at the moment. Digital Combat Simulator, especially in VR would be very interesting. It is very hardware hungry and just recently received multithreading support.
sub'd.. fully comprehensive review and testing. given the brute force method the 5800x3D had back in 3.16 - 3.19 era it set the standard so its good to see that timings also make a big difference, you need balance in all things. most of us techie guys know its the 1% lows (in any game) that hurt but its never spoken about enough.
most always look at the ESports numbers.
hey game day, thx a lot for the benchmarks and your work! you get a abo because i like your content!
I would like to see a tutorial in the future from you, on how to set the BIOS and tuned the ram for AMD CPU -> dos and donts.
thx a lot!
Noted!
Hi, what are the metrics you are using for the Capframex? I’m trying tho compare with your results but it’s kinda different. Thanks
Go to the analysis tab. Then at the bottom you can see Statistic Parameter Settings and click the 3 dots. Then pick 95% Percentile, Average and 1% Percentile
Do you have any guides on how to tune your CPU?
What did you have your 7800x3d OC to? With mine hitting 5.4Ghz I still beat the best that I could do on a max OC 7700x.
Tuning all the RAM timings massively reduces the latency. This helps a lot with fps but it takes a hell of a lot of testing to get stable.
@@GodKitty677 Yep, have my A-die running at 6400 with tight timings already for both the 7700x and 7800x3d, so that is a non-factor at this point.
Only did PO tuning where most cores could achieve close to stable 5.05ghz don’t have a sync BCLK board, so could not go above the default range. Great overclock on your end which motherboard are you using? Gene? Makes sense that the extra core frequency helps, what RAM latency did you achieve on both CPUs and what test methodology/game did you use to compare both CPUs?
oh missed something :-) what is your favorite motherboard and ram. do you like the 670e mainboards or is it better to go with the b650. thx
Motherboard dream for AMD is: ASUS 670 gene. It has 2 dimms, External BCLK all the good stuff to max out CPU and RAM overclocking and tuning
Make tutorial how to tune the cpu?
Do you notice any frame dips or stuttering with either CPU? I heard theres more dips/instabilities with AMD.
The dips are related to the X3D CPUs, when the vcache is not big enough. But when vcache is big enough for a game the X3D slays. I will test more games in the future besides Star Citizen.
i appreciate this channel, and i don't even know what star citizen is. Thank you for the excellent educational content.
Great video! With the agesa update, do you think it is worth using high frequency memory? What would be the performance gain? Thanks
8000mhz was just 1% to 2% faster for me I think CL 28 6400mhz would be better. I made a video on the performance improvements with 8000mhz check out my starfield video as there are results there as well.
I’ll check it out. The only problem is that I only play Sc. 😂 Thanks!
Interesting and unexpected. Would be cool if you could test couple of other games. I'm ok with my 7600x for now, at least until Zen 5. To be honest, if 30 fps 1% lows in big cities bother someone that much, then they should test marriage to get some perspective :)
I bought the AMD 7800x3D a couple weeks ago. I got the team group 32 gigs of ram at 6000 hrz, and installed it on a Tuf B650…..
I don’t know really how to tune the CPU, but it runs Star Citizen so well. I love it. Now to research how to optimize the CPU. (I feel like I’m getting low benchmarks on 3Dmark and conebench… )
Two things can be true at the same time. The 7800X3D is better out of the box and with Expo as shown in the video. While the 7700x is better tuned because it can achieve lower latencies and higher clocks. If you don’t know how to tune then the 7800X3D is the way to go plus it will perform better in other games.
I am creating a discord where I’ll share the BIOS profiles for the different setups soon. I don’t have a TUF B650 but will get it in the future once the channels grows
@@gamedaytoday1it cannot, with asynchro , so called ELCK the satellite of BLCK u can overclock it to 5500mhz all core, and then 7700X is far behind even in starcitizen
Will the 13700k or 14700k perform on par with the 13900k with its 8P cores?
I don't know, they have a different cache size so performance may vary. If I get may hands on them I can test.
Why would you only test this on 1080p, tho? (afaik, screen res is indeed a significant factor for CPU performance when cloud settings are set to maximum values - but take that as a challenge: I'm happy if you can prove this wrong)
Will do more resolutions in the future, note that in total to give you this data I had to do in total 90 runs. = 3 Locations x 5 runs per location x 6 CPU/RAM configurations. If I add another resolution it would be an additional 90 runs. With the amount of time it takes and for the purpose of this vide to test CPU/RAM performance scaling its enough with 1080p.
The time it takes to test star citizen I could have tested 15 different games.
Any resolution above 1080p more rely on gpu. So best way to test cpu side on performance is to use 1080p.
Currently have an i9 10850k, what cou should i upgrade to for star citizen?
What RAM do you have? What is your budget? What resolution are you playing? What FPS goals do you have?
Currently on ddr4 4266 cl19, playing at 3440x1440 144hz 6900xt, I was wondering if upgrading to the ryzen 7800x3d or go with raw clock speed with 14900k.
@@AdrianPragacha in my upcoming video you will see that the 13900K@5.8Ghz all core with 8200Mhz DDR5 out performs the 7800X3D in the 1% lows by alot but the 7800X3D has higher highs. Overall the platform cost for having 8000Mhz+ Ram is quite high so its not worth it for everyone. Depending on your budget you would have to make an informed evalaution based on what you want. I will release the 7700X vs 7800X3d vs 13900K soon
@@gamedaytoday1 thank you for your indepth take on star citizen, all other RUclipsrs recommend outright the 7800x3d. Looking forward to the video 👍
I already have the 7800X3D and the best part is: i can switch in Q2 2024 easily to Zen5 Ryzen 8000 CPU because i already have a good AM5 board and fast DDR5 RAM.
Zen5 will easily be faster than Intel Core i9 14900K.
7800X3D will already be faster than 14900k in many/most games
@@lyntonbell7604 you're not telling anything new bro. In some games the 7800X3D is faster and in some games the 14900K
@@nightspiderx1916 point is nothing wrong with your choice of 3d zen4
@@lyntonbell7604 Whatever, Zen5 will make a big step and in Star Citizen you can not have enough CPU speed
isn't this depending on the silicon lottery though? I wouldn't tell people not to buy the X3D and instead play the lottery.
looking forward to the comparison with the 13900k.
Another great video! Really interesting results. Did you manage to catch the citizen con last weekend, would love to know your thoughts on the updates announced. Also, do you offer tuning services? Your Channel is really influencing me to improve my pc, something it never occurred to me to me x🌟
I got a 7700x, asus tuf x670e-plus and two 16gb rams 6400mhz cl40 will it run smoothly?
Maybe the 8800X3D will get a bigger V-Cache doubled in size.
dont quote me on it but a dev basically said theres an upper limit of cache size where it stops making as much of a difference this was when the 5800x3d was just released
@watermelon58 Its true that the advantage gets smaller with bigger cache sizes but as applications become more demanding the advantage gets bigger over time (years!)
As we all know Star Citizen is a very demanding, cutting edge application with big data sizes. :)
The big problem is to increase the cache sizes without increasing the cache latency. Because with the same tech a bigger cache has higher latencies.
The rumors say Zen5 will have a kind of a "ladder cache" with better latencies and that Zen6 might have stacked CCDs on top of the IO die.
So might possible that Zen6 cores are stacked on top of an IO die with a V-cache die in between. This could be a way to increase the V-Cache size as well.
4:15 sure...
For Star Citizen specifically and only in its current form
But this time next year it will significantly flip the other way
Not to mention most games will have it be a close call or in favour of the 7800X3D
So at the end of the day its a choice between use today or prepare for the future
However i say dont buy Ryzen 7000 at all for the tine being as AMD is due to release more CPU's soon making 7000 either a better bang for your buck or obsolete depending on how you look at it
The 7800X3D will have the same fate as the 5800X3D we can already see it with the 7700 we’re raw clock performance and latency is key. The 5800X3D was king in 3.17 almost as good as a 13900k but now it is far behind since patch 3.19. Star citizen is not getting any easier to run even with next patches. Even with vulcan can’t save the already full 96mb vcache.
I look forward to next next gen ryzen.
I'm glad you ended up tuning the 7700.
What people don't realize is that the 7700x has a faster lower cache than the 7800x3D. If you don't believe me, just look at the top 10 results at userbench and check the system memory latency ladder. You will see up to 16MB the 7700x wins. For example, the 7800x3D @ 16MB cache is 13.6ns and 7700x @16MB is 10.1ns. It is only at 32MB and higher that it improves. The small instructions will process better on the 7700x but larger ones better on 7800x3D. Once you end up using the tweaked memory it is all the same. These results will probably change once the game is final.
Fully tuned = 99% of people can't or won't bother doing this. So moot for most. Making this video a VERY VERY BAD bit of advice for the normal gamer.
Don’t be normal
Why not share timings??
@@l1m600 why not subscribe and support my channel if you want the timings?
@@gamedaytoday1you got me there, cant lie 🫢😊
Starfield is also ddr speed related, like
the 3700x with 3200ddr4 is faster than 10900k 2933ddr4 by an amount equivalent to the ddr speed. Is that mean 3700x is better proc? Of course not. Same here. The diffrence is however, not that big in starcitizen. But nice to see that 7700X is doing so well. Also good video, the best is with tutorial step by step that people followed u can save some bucks
please add an Ghost Hollow Benchmark :)
It’s already too much work to do lorville, area 18 and Orison
it's close though and 3d cache so superior in so many other games...
Indeed. I am highly here that 7700X for star citizen is better and cheaper once fully tuned which makes it a great value CPU for those who prioritise Star Citizen. No one has shown this about the 7700X. I will be testing other games in the future with the 7700X max tune. Any games you are interested in seeing results in?
Thank you Roger Federer. This was exactly what i was looking for.
Too bad that memories low latency 5200mhz and 6000mhz weren't tuned as 6400mhz
This review would be complete with the cpu power usage. The would give the full picture.
Not super interested they are both the same with 50 to 60 watts
So you testing a CPU which is yet not optimized and a kind of Beta with a game which is not finished, in Alpha with a server FPS of 7? That test 0 sense sorry to say that. You took a lot of effort on you and the test is done well. But the results mean nothing.
And why not?
Please learn how to do proper testing in future.
Thank you for ignoring power consumption! 😊
It is total nonsense in high end parts and i really wish other media would drop this measurement too! It's like trying to choose between a Lambo and a Ferrari and asking the mpg 😂 the seller would be like how the hell is that relevant lolol!!
All you need in sc is 8-12 p-cores and many treads with close to 5 ghz, 7700x give faster ghz what give speeds and high 1% lows. I finaly buyed 10850k (10 p-cores) + 3200 ram bc its better to have a buffer , then avg frames more and cost x2. Upd from my i5 3470 and rx480 after 10 years played SC allmost all patches for loong time..
yeah ... well stop buying hardware for a game that will come out in 5 years... x3d or not lolll geez
What a terrible recommendation. This video might be correct for the current instable unfinnished state of star citizen which will change very soon. Keeping that in mind this video is scam and considered false advertisement. Beyond that 1080p made me laugh.
The 7700x tuned is better in star citizen, and the game is not going to easier to run. Even with Vulcan, it’s not going to magically reduce vcache requirements. 96mb is not enough for star citizen anymore. I’ll be sharing the BIOS Profile to my supporters soon in my discord soon.
If you saw the Citizencon Pyro hands on Demo where the PC with 7800X3D were struggling to run at 30 fps you would know.
Funny how telemetric from CIG place high OCed xx700, xx900, and the x3d parts from Zen4 at the top of the performer's list. Guess what CPU isn't there.
Let's get real here, Star Engine isn't feature complete. We are still running on the older renderer, and we will not see any optimizations to that until the full release of Vulcan support. Since the engine constantly changes, there is no "perfect" setup. there is only the setup that you have to use right now. To the point, MANY people have build MULTIPLE computers to game star citizens. chances are we'll all have a new one before things are said and done.
As a Tube, i think your job is to inform the audience versus push an opinion on them.
Sorry but just no. You can't compare hardware by benching Star Citizen, it's still only a mostly playable, online only, alpha tech demo, and not at all reliable or repeatable run to run. I love SC too (& the upcoming SQ42), but in it's current state it provides exactly zero basis for even remotely accurate comparison of any hardware configuration, and shows in your results as essentially margin of error differences (i.e. most people wouldn't even notice any) and your subjective "it's smoother" opinion. If you want to claim the cheaper 7700X is stronger/faster with your tuning verses 7800X3D across a number of released games OK show that, but otherwise you might as well say "Quit playing SC on Tuesdays because I have a chart that shows it runs "smoother" on Wednesdays". ;P
This 1000%. Benchmarking this game isn't a thing, and who would even play at 1080p with such a strong cpu? Makes no sense.
What you are saying is unfortunately incorrect, and you are backing it up with a method of testing that I don’t even use. You are putting out miss information.
If you want to see I can prove it. In a world where you only do 1 run for each scene you would be right.
There are two valid methodologies to compare hardware for star citizen.
1. Do multipel runs for each scene and take the average of the results. Out of my testing 5 runs is enough to get enough variance. The benefit of this method is you can get an average result of expected performance and an average overall delta agains other hardware
This is the methodology I used, you should know if you watched the whole video. If this is incorrect, please explain how after 15 total runs across 3 locations, which is 90 runs for all hardware tested the 7700x tuned was on top? And the results are consistently placing each cpu in the same performance order with similar deltas. How is it possible, must be a margin of error right? If it is margin of error I’d love to see your results after 90 runs, please share them.
2. Join the same server with two computers sharing identical specs except for the hardware you want to compare (GPU/CPU/RAM). The benefits of this is that you get the exact delta between each hardware. the con is that you don’t get the average performance of the hardware across multiple plays.
I have done this once in one of my video tuning a subscribers PC. Works best as each set up gets the same load and is a time saver for testing. the results show the differences for the hardware tested which is an excellent way to know which is best for the hardware tested.
If you want to know how the 7700x and X3D (both tuned) perform in other games this video is not it, mate.
“Smoother” is just an option that 10% to 28% higher 1% lows consistently feels better after testing the tuned 7700x 15 times. If you would have tested it to might choose a different word to describe your subjective experience of reality.
Overall I am very disappointed by this comment because of all the fallacies so I had to reply to save anyone who reads this and you. Thanks for watching.
@@gamedaytoday1 That's just it; you CANNOT possibly have any two identical test runs in Star Citizen (let alone multiple groups of them) because you have essentially ZERO control of the environment in which you are attempting to run your tests, an environment that by definition is erratic and unreliable (sever age & health, ping, player population from moment to moment, specific NPC activity, just to name a few). If you want to actually prove such claims it could be done in some released game's included "benchmark" or using synthetics, but not in Star Citizen. I am not criticizing your hardware configurations or memory tuning skills, but specifically your methodology (i.e. Star Citizen as an environment) Your results are interesting for sure, but otherwise circumstantial or coincidental at best.
@@gamedaytoday1 There's no doubt that you do everything you possibly can to mitigate the variables of the unstable online game that is star citizen (btw I play this game every day and love it). But the reality is that there's nothing you can do to eliminate wild variances in this game when comparing hardware. I think the point that OP is trying to make is that just because your data shows +4fps for 1% lows with the 7700x (and at 1080p which most people won't play at with these cpus...) doesn't mean the 7700x is a better cpu right now or especially in the long term. Nobody is going to feel a transient drop to 39fps vs 43fps and be able to honestly say the 43fps was THAT much smoother.
To be clear, I enjoy your videos and have got a lot from them, but this one misses the mark.
What's the point of focusing on the alpha version of a scam game? You need to focus on normal games like alan wake2, starfield, diablo4.
How is Star Citizen a scam?
@@gamedaytoday1it’s a scam because dummies think saying the word “scam” is like throwing poop in a crowd, so it makes them feel good to say the word regardless if it makes sense or not. They also didn’t pass economics 101 at community college