AMD 7800X3D vs 7700x - Speed VS 3D V-Cache
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Let's compare the AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d vs the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X head to head in multiple synthetic and in-game benchmarks and find out which is better for which use case!
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00:00 7700x VS 7800x3d Intro & Specs
02:15 Work - Performance
03:00 Core Speeds / Power Consumption / Cooling
05:40 Work - Performance Part 2
08:15 Gaming Performance
10:00 Direct Comparison
10:45 What Chip for which use-case
11:50 The Usual Outro
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Nice you are also looking in CPU topics / comparison. Your love for data presentation is awsome!
Glad you like them!
I went with the 7700X as my build is both workstation and gaming. For me it makes more sense to have the overall faster cpu and give up some performance in gaming. Plus gaming is still going to rely heavily on GPU in a lot of cases.
Probably can’t go wrong with either chip though.
My thoughts exactly, I game and 3d design & print.
Yeah, you really can't go wrong with any of these processors. I went with the 65W Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T CPU for my 1440p/Productivity home build. It's just a tad slower than the 7700X at single-core or applications/games that only need/use 8 or less cores, but leaves the 7700X trailing behind when any application/game actually utilizes more than 8 cores. Plus, a simple toggle in the BIOS will turn off it's power-draw efficiency restrictions & basically turn it into a 7900X if you want that level of performance - but will also generate higher thermals like a 7900X, so use a good aftermarket CPU cooler with it instead of the stock, included AMD Wraith Prism one.
Are you reporting effective clock speed or just the target clock from HWInfo? Also, what is the sensor refresh interval for your logging? Just wondering because there may be clock stretching or that weird dip occurring, might interesting.
Awesome informative video mate. Just what I was looking for. Concise & to the point with just facts & figures based on performance 1v1.
7700X all core 5.5Ghz in multi-core - is it just for few seconds or sustained! What are your BIOS settings? Thanks for the analysis.
I want to buy a cpu for game development(Unreal engine 5) but i don't know if a cpu for gaming is better or for 3d creation and rendering is better.Since you compine gaming along with rendering.Is there any way you may help me or advice me ?
I was able to purchase two 7800x3D chips for $356 each. At that price, it was a no brainer for a PC designed primarily to play games.
NewEgg had the CPU's on sale for $406, and I got $50 off coupons simply for using Capital One's shopping extention. I don't even own a Capital One card, but nonetheless I sure did appreciate the $50 coupons!
u have not mentioned temps next to cooler bro and noise levels !
So glad I went with 7900X. I got one brand new for only 349 during a fire sale. Was going to get the 7700X but at the time, the 7900X was only 30 dollars more. I still think the 7800X3D is great for someone who doesn’t want to mess with BIOS settings.
For 30$ difference, you definitely made the right choice 😅
@@STSYT Thank you, like always great content. I’m from Texas so you always talk nice and slow therefore I can always understand
7800x3d have some performance hold in bios if you want to play bios for 1 month with pbo xd
Bro where are these fire sales happening? Ive been looking every where for almost 2 months
In UK It is only a ten pound more! 😂😂
7800x3d is gaming cpu. I have that cpu 7800x3d crushes in raytracing 13900k. 1%low in cs go is almost double vs 7700x it means it is smoother game play.
So, if I buy a 7700x, will I have problems with CS GO?
Is there any difference between the plain model 7700 and 7700x?
@@arn1on258Youre probably not going to dip under 150 fps with a 7600 in cs2
It’s not faster than a 13900k your just pairing it with garage slow DDR5 ram.
it is faster have you heard of benchmarks@@ZackSNetwork
Are you able to do an update video or a video about the new counterstrike 2 on the source 2 engine? I believe cs2 can utilise the 3d cache
I upgraded from a 7700x to 7800x3d paired with a 4080 and I'm glad I did. Used to get tons of microstutter even when the averages were maxing out my 1440p 144hz monitor. I get no stutter anymore with the 3d chip even at the same fps. The 3d is far better for gaming and the rest of the things you would do with these two cpu's would make no difference. If you wanted to do video editing you would never choose either of these cpu's anyway, they are too slow for that, get a 14900k or a 7950x. If you want a do all processor but one is also the best gaming processor there is why wouldn't you just buy that? The 7800x3d makes the 7700x irrelavant. Where I live in Canada the x3d is 50 dollars more so it's a no brainer to me which one to buy. In my system the 7800 uses half the wattage too so there's also that.
I currently run a 5800x3d / 7900 XTX combo on a one year old coolermaster g800 800w gold psu.
My PC is stable unless I put 15% PL on my GPU causing it to draw over 400w consistently,in which case
my PSU gets really loud since its fan curve is set to max out when hitting 600w from the wall.
I don't really want to upgrade my PSU atm since it's stable when only using 350w. which is the default.
But i'm worried that if I upgrade to a more power hungry CPU then it would still crush my PSU when playing BF2042 and so on.
So i'm wondering if I should get the 14700K or the 7800X3D. the 14700K will probably be alot faster in single core and multi core workloads and roughly the same gaming wise. I could also use the extra cores, but it will also consume a lot more power. which path should i take? 🤔
Not knowing how the 14700k, I would wait until release to make a decision. Who knows, maybe it will be incredibly power efficient
You could power limit your GPU or your CPU for efficiency. I only run my 5600X at 65W and it runs my games up to 4.65 GHz, with otherwise 24/7 all core protein folding around 3.6-3825 GHz. That 7900 XTX is a power hungry card with not much more performance gained.
That 7900 XTX is a powerhog.
Ryzens are much easier to cool when undervolted, than the Intel generation now with power hungry P cores.
Get a better cooling solution? And undervolt your AMD CPU, it will run super cool and fast with only a little bit of power. Yes, the 5600X can also be undervolted.
And any (switching) PSU works most efficient when converting half the power needed than it's maximum. So.. if your GPU and CPU combined consume 600 Watt the 800 Watt PSU can take it, but it won't be at the most efficient (best powertransfer/heat generated).
wouldn't recommend using the i7, because i tested i5 14500 which is only 20threads already consuming 300W from the wall. and drawing a total of 540W from the wall when its stressed with the 4060 GPU
whats the best cpu to look into when swapping out a 7700x i want higher frames in arma reforger
First it’s likely the Gpu or cooling first before its the cpu
Nice review, I have Ryzen 7 7800x3d, I play 1440p ultra, I think that the diference is not big, I prefer less times in H.264 or H.265 but I just bought 7800x3D for the less W, maybe more later I will change to no 7000 3D or wait to Ryzen 9000
I like the comparison. I think a lot of people that are light users of productivity with mostly email, content and game use, know the 7800x3D is the way to go. If you have a mixed work and game needs then the 7700x is worth considering depending on what pricing is like, possibly good for 5 years and drop in the last upgrade available for the AM5 platform for another 5 years. What would interest me is seeing the performance changes on these CPUs if they were put in Eco mode; what percentage of performance is lost for a lower power draw and if the 7800x3D pulls closer to the 7700x in productivity under these conditions. That could completely change the value position they offer.
Interesting point, we did the whole ECO thing back then with just the regular -X line. I'll consider it for future videos.
The sweet spot 7700
if you had no stats and you'd compare both cpu's on same system, i wonder how many people would be able to tell which is which.
Can you test cs 2 it is released 7800x3d vs 7700x now u can compare :D
Crazy! The X3D chips are incredible! I have 7700x and definitely looking to upgrade to the 9800X3D when released. Also planning to purchase the 5090 to pair with it. Don't want my 7700x to be a bottleneck, works fine with my current 4080 though.
i’m going to get the 9800X3D too when it comes out. i’ve got a 4070 ti super with the 7700x currently. debating on getting the 5090 or just waiting until 60 series.
@@landenlove3051what is the benefit? I have in my purchasing cart the 7700x and the same 4070 GPU. Machine learning…
@@thecrazylooser7 for machine learning i would definitely go 7700x it’s a very good productivity cpu.
@@thecrazylooser7 X3D is only better for gaming. 7700x outperforms 7800X3D in machine learning. however if you don’t need it now, next gen will be out soon.
What if you power-limit the 7700X? Does it match the efficiency of the 7800X3D?
Yes, If you undervolt the 7700X it can (if you have a decent chip) get much higher clockspeeds at 85 Watt PPT).
So, I'm sorry for STS, I like the channel, but this video not showing real world use. He talks about stock values which are the very limit of thermal envelope. It's not the best you can get out of this chip to feed it more voltage!! Intels do much better when you feed these crazy amounts of power. But the Ryzen is a bit different. It really works better, clocks faster, when cooler than that 95 degrees maximum, so that's the goal. So this may be counterintuitive (less voltage - higher speed!) when you first look at this, but once you get how undervolting works, it's fairly simple. Every individual chip has a unique sweetspot. And it's not difficult to figure out, since AMD specified many of the tools to get there, into the UEFI (BIOS) so the board manufactuerers would implement those.
What do I mean with that? Everyone with a tiny bit of knowledge knows you must UNDERVOLT the Ryzens to get the best out of these (Using PBO2).
The more cooling you have, the better quality silicone you have, the higher you can ramp up the clock speed with less current to the chip.
There are videos about this on youtube, but maybe STS will come to his senses and make a followup video about real world performance of the undervolted versions of the 7700X versus the best values of tweaked 7700 and 7800X3D. Because this video doesn't tell the real world story.
@@reptilespantosothe overall sentiment is not going to change, this is a stupid argument, you can uv both chips.
@@reptilespantosoThe UV wouldn't make up the difference in gaming, where x3D gains way more than it loses in productivity. It's disingenuous to describe bios tweaks as "real world", when its a niche activity. Stock out of the box is real world, because that how the bulk of people run their computers. People with the wherewithal to even turn on XMP/EXPO are a relative minority. It's not even a guarantee to enabled from some of the custom prebuilt vendors.
@@blkspade23who cares what kind of performance the people who do not access BIOS get? 😉 If something is better for them, that has exactly zero relevance for me.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 The statement was "real world use", which is false in the context of what the vast majority of users do. When the comparison is vs the X3D, no amount of undervolting would allow it to match where the 3D specifically excels.
I was going back and forth with which AM5 CPU to buy. I game. Nothing else really. So it was 7700/7700x/7800x3d/7900. I tried them all. I LOVED the temps & overall power of the 7900 BUT the 2 ccd's made it SLOWER than the others using 1 ccd. I ultimatly landed on the 7800x3d because it has the highest upside, the best 1% lows & uses LESS power in gaming. As well as better temps :)
What type of AIO do you use to cool down the 3dx?
after tons of deliberation about which one of these to buy this seems like the truth. I Wish the 7900 was the choice but the 2 ccd seems like too much compromise on gaming.
Csgo results being skewed are because it is one of the very few games that fits in 32mb of cache , so having 64mb more has no improvement
Is there any difference between the plain model 7700 and 7700x?
Chache I'm guessing
Whats the best gpu (under 500$) to pair with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d
7800xt, exactly 500 usd, and you get the best performace for the buck, good even for 1440p resulotion. if you want to save money you can take 7600/7600x.. if you want to use the whole budget you can use 50 usd from the 150 usd saving and buy 7900gre for about 550usd
@@haim4will the 7900 gre be held back by 7700x ? In years to come ?
@@steven7297 Not really, it is tie with i5-14600k which is really solid processor and both should work good for years, and AM5 gives you the upgradability path (included 2026 confirmed)
I will buy the 7700 non X. Gaming is ok but i only play Diablo 2.
Only issue i have is the focus on 1080P gaming benchmarks. Most people getting this chip and a high end gfx card are going to be gaming in 1440P or 4K where I believe those margins are going to be narrower
+1
merci
but can it run cyberpunk?
Nothing can run cyberpunk
xD dude if my i5-8500 shitty cpu run it and yes at 4K max settings (yes It was so hot I could've cook eggs), so how would this godzilla do?? and I mean both the ryzen 7
Try 7950x vs 7950x3d vs 7800x3d.
7950x and 7950x3d is better in works side. But 7800x3d ?? They're insane for gaming beaten them two's in most of games
TDP -> Theoretic Dumb Prediction
Best way to describe it 😂😂😂
Somebody needs to update Wikipedia
I'd wait for tray 7700 to sell for $199😂
Shud be decent for a decade
Commenting before watching, im just planing my am5 build with these 2 once i sell my old 5800x3d pc build.I feel like r7 5700x to 5800x3d was a great upgrade on am4 for me i was rly happy with it, so i kinda want to go straight to 7800x3d for am5, but i think i will rather get a nice board ram and 7700x first then later on get a better cpu considering the 200 euro price difference here in Europe.
The only thing i dont like the temps and power usage on 7700x since i like to keep it air cooled
@@maxzoRHDI got 7700x and it doesn't go over 65° and power consumption is also smaller after all the updates from AMD dunno what they done but GPU and CPU power consumption is lower now and also temperatures are better
I ended up getting a R5 7600 non x, with a 6900xt.Its been great for last 2 months now no issues,i updated 2 bios versions just to be safe so far. And as you mentioned i noticed my idle temps being about 2/3 c lower with 7D75v17 version atm (b650 tomahawk mbo). 7800x3d is still like 450 euros here where i live, maybe some sales happen on Hollydays, black friday deals were 0 here.@@TheZerosd
@@TheZerosdhow is it now?
@@steven7297 what do u wanna know I can tell u I have 0 problems with it temperature is around 63 now but considering that I have like 28 degrees inside my gaming room 💀 and the power consumption is around 27w- 37w for my usage dunno what is the max w when pushed but max what I saw was around 55w
You're not interpreting the CS:GO data properly, by saying it hates the cache. It clearly loves the cache because the lows are higher. Max FPS is an actual useless metric, because it resembles moments when the CPU has next to nothing to do like looking a the sky. It does nothing for the gameplay experience. That differences in max is actually near equivalent percentage difference in AVG, because MAX inflates the average. Also in line with difference in clocks. The AVG is far beyond anyone's possible refresh rate too. On the other hand 1% and .1% lows are a by product of the most intense moments for the CPU, and being higher there matters way more. I'm not even sure what Min is representing, since a min can't be higher than what represented by the .1% low.
'Hates the cache' was probably the wrong sentence here. I used in the script of the 7950x vs 7950x3d where the .1% lows were dramatically lower. But you're generally right here, 1 and .1 are the way to go
CPU - Z is a great reference and benchmark tool for testing if another processor is faster .
Userbench is also a great tool for the performance of your PC .
Userbenchmark is absolute shit
No. Anyone who knows anything about PC hardware understand to NEVER reference User Benchmarks for any academic analysis.
7800x3D stomps 7700x in gaming. Everything else depends.
Couldn’t agree more
i dunno. overclock the 7700 to 5750Mhz xD
@@jeroen5736 how much of that does it improves game performance?
@@obliviondust2719 How doesn't it? Faster is better.
@@reptilespantoso not necessarily always. Some games prefers v cache over raw frequency
0.1% lows... AMDip! XD
Not sure how much difference in gaming performance between the 2 CPUs if gaming at 4K resolution though???
Probably not much, just 1% lows, there aren’t any gpus that wouldn’t be a bottleck at 4k, even the 4090
That would be more on the GPU than CPU
@@STSYT cool so doesn’t really matter which one then if I’m just purely using my pc for 4K gaming.
@@brandonvernet no-no that’s not what I’m saying.
At 4k, most games will be more gpu than cpu dependent. That doesn’t mean that they will perform the same, the numbers will be harder to distinguish.
It will still be better to go with a 7800x3d
@@STSYT fair enough - but where I live, the 7700x is around $200AUD cheaper. I’m not sure if the 7800x3d is $200 better.
I have the 7700x tts is lower
7800x3d is great for people who have crap memory or don't know how to tune their memory. If you tune it, the 7700x runs almost the same.
Im considering the 7800x3d exactly because of that, couple days ago I turn on Expo on bios and I got around 15 Fps more on Pubg but my cpu temps increase around 10 degrees so whats the point of undervolting my 7700x if with expo turned on I will get almost same crazy hot stock temps, So I guess with 7800x3d I will not have to mess with expo, better fps while gaming and better cpu temps. what do you think?
@@armandoarroyo There is a new way without Overclocking just get a higher boost. DDR5 had made Rams much higher then 5'000Mhz upto 8'000Mhz and yes it does gives higher Frame too. Around 20-30 more after all that years from DDR3 MHz weren't matters even DDR4 weren't matter. Now DDR5 it does makes the different
The last 2-3 gen Cpu's are basically irrelevant. 1080p for the mass market is completely dead. USA 120hz 1440 monitors are 150-200 usd. 1080p in testing shows the difference but its not actually a real world scenario for the mass consumer. For gaming it is 100% based upon what GPU you can get and for what price point.
If you can buy a 4090 cpu doesnt matter cause you will be in 4k and gpu limited. IF you can only afford a used 2060 ti then processor doesnt matter cause you will be limited in the other direction on the gpu low end.
But the problem is still GPUs AMD/Nvidia are basically committing racketeering. They are artificial keeping the gpu prices high and not really competing on price point. The current Gen is completely over priced and not worth it. You cant really find Nvidia last gen NIB (new in box) so you are forced to go to the used market which depends on where you live in the world.
There is only 1 current gen gpu in the top 25 gpus on steam and its 4060 LAPTOP card.
Lol 😂 i got 7800x3d for gaming synthetic test means nothing
1st. Woot !
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CSGO doesn't hate Extra cache but likes something else