Userbenchmark VS Ryzen 5000 Processors 2022
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Poor Userbenchmark has had a hard time recently. AMD has been so good they've had to reconsider their stance towards what defines a good CPU. Poor them
0:00 - Intro
1:09 - Ryzen Pre-5000 series
2:20 - Ryzen 5000 series
3:27 - Budget alternatives
4:54 - Intel - the hero we needed
5:48 - The story going forward
6:22 - Battle for the fastest 
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Userbenchmark would sell you an Intel Celeron over a Ryzen 9 5950X, just because it comes from Team Blue
nah. they don't like intel either. just hate amd more :D
I mean, if the single core is higher...
This is not even a joke, they actually would do it for real LOL.
They literally say on a site that a I5 8600 or whatever is around 15% better than a 3900xt
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Nah theyre definetly getting sponsored by intel
I wonder how UserBankmerch is going to compare Intel’s GPUs compared to Nvidia’s. I’m sure they’ll discover something like Nvidia GPUs are actually deficient in iron and that Intel’s iron-based GPUs are more powerful at rendering iron materials in games.
haahah thanks for the laugh man
They mostly just HATE AMD. If you see the Nvidia card reviews, you see that they love Nvidia about as much as AMD. I expect for them to side with an visit as they seem to hate new competition lol
"The 3080 Ti does not include any more titanium than the regular 3080. This is false marketing, so you are better off sticking with Intel HD Graphics, which are in fact capable of HD"
- Mark, Bench user.
@@josephpoulsen5447 That's because Intel isn't in direct competition with them YET, so they are still able to have reviews on GPUs that didn't look like they came from an insane asylum. Just wait until they release their GPUs for real.
@@DaybreakPT that’s true. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if they prefer intel or Nvidia
"16 cores are only useful for professional use cases" Rendering a shitpost with raytracing makes me a professional says usermenchbark😎
Well. Several reddit tab in the browser alone eats 4 of cores in 8 cores of my old 2700x, lags my game and make me finally decide on get a 5950x. Websites these days are truly beautifully crafted.
@@mmis1000 just how many extensions and other programs do you run?!
@@Shuroii Actually, it won't matter. All the profiling results indicates the reddit diff the whole page just to update a god damn vote count. It is just shitty programmed. And it gets even worse when you scroll down further on the home page because the page is being bigger when you scroll down.
@@williamtopping Because I am using it. Did you know you can have multi monitor connect to a computer? If you are going to use your computer only to play game, why don't you buy a console instead? It's much cheaper
@@mmis1000 Not sure it was a core bottleneck you had there since my 6 core 5600X can handle several browser windows with like 100 tabs total just fine, often times a 3D modelling program or Unity along and a demanding game running at the same time without a big performance hit.
1:00 UserWenchark
1:17 BuserMeenchark
5:24 HuzherShenchmark
5:59 BencharkShmarkShmark
6:40 UserWimimn
7:03 UserPantsmark
Edit: I used what I personally heard
IMO 6:40 sounds like UserWimimn's and on 5:59 it's written as chmarkchmack, but he's clearly saying shmarkshmark.
on 6:40 i hear UserWomens
Thank you this is very helpful
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I needed this
THANK YOU
Userbenchmark: The kings of moving the goalposts to stay on what they consider is on top, when what it actually is, is delusions of grandeur.
They do it because they make more money with Intel affiliate links than AMD affiliate links. It's corrupt "journalism", not grandeur.
Probably run by someone from North Korea
In all honesty, they have a point some way or another.
Intel wasn’t competitive and as a result AMD offered no budget friendly options like the 5600 so going for a budget friendly 11400F (sort of) is a correct thing to point out if you don’t want to buy the premium.
But…it’s true, they are constant contrarians with the goal-posting being anti-AMD.
Calling things like the i5-9600k a flagship while saying that the 5600x is a premium you better not pay for, makes it very obvious.
2019: Intels processors are far faster, but oh the humanity, AMDs devilish marketing is making everyone buy their CPUs, whatever shall we do!
2022: Intels processors have so much better value, if only the sheeple would see the marketing fees they have to pay for AMD, Satan himself!
Fucking hypocrites
This is not what delusions of grandeur are. Good effort, though.
No way, just yesterday I watched the other userbenchmark video as a tribute. Glad to see a sequel :D
Wow I did too thats crazy
maybe because it was on april fools
same here. I guess le algorithm knows april 1st is special
The April fools joke that never ends.
You should see what they had to say about the 5800 x3d, it convinced me to buy one.
lol he stole ur joke for his next video
For April fools they should switch to loving amd and hating Intel
He did the same joke a year ago@@Joel-kc5jk
To this day Userbenchmarks is simping so hard yet Intel and literally everyone else Banned their mention from Reddit. Their own Idol, Intel, banned them from their subreddit and forums.
Credit where credit is due, both the AMD and Intel communities banned UserBenchmark or have added automoderator comments to discredit them. It's only fair considering how useless and awful their coverage is.
@@FlakAttack0 Used to be a usable side to at least get a vague idea of how a part matches up to another, but these days you plain cannot trust their bullshit anymore.
Intel Boys 🤝 AMD Lads
(Hating UserBenchMark)
Intel are just AMD shills… er…
@@ninetenduh It's a still a great, quick way to tell if a fresh PC build has any issues that need to be addressed.
It always felt like to me who ever runs this website is stuck in the past like the PC hardware standards of 2016 never changed.
Or getting paid by Intel, wouldnt surprise me in the slightest. I mean Intel never faked benchmarks.... oh wait
@@noba4696 What do you mean wouldn't surprise you, three things are certain in life, death, taxes, and UserBenchmark being paid by Intel.
@@zxbc1 And that's why they banned them on every platform... now I get it.
@@Pumciusz Exactly, even if you just mention UserBenchmark expect stones to get thrown at you, for good reasons obviously. Even pre-Ryzen UserBenchmark were shit.
@@Pumciusz even the intel subreddit bans userbenchmark because they are full of shit
I hope shitting on Userbenchmark becomes an annual event
It's ironic that they are so butthurt that they're trying to shit back on us, only to get sharted much harder every each year.
Same
We need to have Userbenchmark face reveal, I need to know what kind of person runs that site
@@DuBstep115 i have found him *dramatic drumroll*
its INTEL who would have guessed that
It's been a year. We need another shitpost.
The one part where they site implied AMD was to blame for the 5950x for not utilizing all of its cores in gaming was so dumb. Multithreading is something that has to be implemented by the developer, a processor can't just spawn new threads at a whim (unless you want to corrupt the hell out of data and crash). Their reasoning that it's overkill for gaming is absolutely true, but it's because very few games are truly optimized for multithreading. The games that do properly use it are fantastic though, seeing Half Life Alyx not even hit 50% utilization on a single thread due to running on 16+ threads is beautful.
so you're saying as long as i have as many cores or more as the dev cared to use, single core wins again?
i guess userbenchmark was right! i'm joking, of course. sort of. maybe.
What does multithreading do
@@rrrrre2905 it allows the program to send multiple instructions in parallel to the CPU, so that the jobs can be done by multiple threads at the same time.
Threading isn't even that hard, I ended up learning it like 4 hours into game development and it's just as easy as waiting for a thread to be free and then processing something on it
@@JacobKinsley It's not really that simple, safe multi threading has a bunch of strict requirements relating to mutability and references to data that aren't easy to track in most languages. It's also incredibly hard to debug most types of concurrent code due to the fact that the scheduler can produce different timings, resulting in it sometimes working and sometimes causing huge bugs. Some patterns like ECS with a job system make it a lot easier but in general it takes a lot of work to create reliable multi threaded software.
Userbenchmark told me an Intel Core i3 10100f would outperform my Ryzen 9 5900x in both single core and multicore performance. 🤣 Userbenchmark is the clown of benchmarking tools.
I had to check how they compare the i3 to my 3700x. i3 Average Bench 83.4% vs. R7 Average Bench 84.2%
It even states that the i3 will do better than 3700x on Overwatch and better than 5900x on Fortnite. It's almost comedic.
@@Tomazack ye i have the same cpu as u and its hilarious. Even tho I was always on intel's side, I've switched my mobo when upgrading my PC for future-proofing it. Don't seem to regret it in any way yet.
and multicore performance? :D
No it doesn't. Why would you lie about this?
@@Mobin92 Nobody is lying here. In December of 2020, right after I got my 5900x, I used Userbenchmark to test my system and it told me the Intel i3 was better than my 5900x. This was back when the Userbenchmark Intel bias controversy had just been discovered.
Userbenchmark has since changed their performance weighting scale after being caught.
I think its crucial to remember that older ryzen CPUs are still compatible with the same sockets and vice versa.
Unless your a first gen ryzen buyer like me and then you cant upgrade to the 5000 series. how nice is that... Early adopter? never again.
@@Flyinghotpocket just update your bios lmao
@@tdsanti First gen ryzen boards do not update bios to support 4th or 5th gen or later. lmao
Cant wait for place 2022 video, the 2017 was one of my personal all time favorites from you.
My jaw dropped when i realized the 5500 was 6c12t of zen 3 for 160. This lineup's getting good, even if its very late.
5500 is zen 2 tho?
5500u is 6/12 zen 2
@@kittikorn6674 unlike the 5500u, the 5500 on desktop is zen 3, albeit with a pretty big caveat. Instead of using chiplets like the 5600/X, it uses the same die as the 5600G, just with the iGPU disabled.
Its gonna be much closer to the 3600 than the 5600 in performance going by the 5600g.
These lower end AMD CPUs really are a bit meh at MSRP, it seems like they are gonna be about the same or worse than Intel's low end. At least its nice to have some more upgrade options for older Ryzen boards.
AMD won't be beating Intel on the low end with ANY Zen 3/2 products. As others have pointed out, they are using Cezzane/Renoir APU's with disabled iGPU for the low end. Which means the i3 12100 will walk all over them gaming performance wise.
Intel had to completely destroy them in the sub $300 market for them to do anything though.
It's almost like competition is good and fanboys are dumb.
I always found it funny a lot of the comparisons I was doing on their website were kinda off my 2600x wasn't able to outperform cpus I was sure it would be able to. A buddy of mine bought a 6700xt and my 1070ti didn't seem as bad as I thought it would be.
I don't know for sure if they have anything designed to specifically to lower AMD scores, but about I think 2 years ago they changed their scoring system in a way that just makes it bad all around for ranking any component. Honestly just a shit site overall these days
Their ranking system was never good. Assigning scores to single, dual and multi core performance and adding them is stupid because most people won't do all of those things. It's a blatant oversimplification, akin to "reviewing" cars by adding their 0-60 times, mpg values and lap times in a race track.
What the did do is blatantly modify their already shitty algorithm to weigh single and dual core scores much more heavily, which back then were curiously exactly the few things that Intel was convincingly ahead on. They never were a good site, all they did is go from incompetent to actively malicious and misleading.
@@ohnoes9608 it was definitely never enough to be the single thing you used. The way way I described it is "decent enough to be an extra tool to use" but now its "so bad I wouldn't even recommend opening the site"
Every once in a while ill use it for shits and gigs to see what my score is compared to a previous score when overclocking, but 9 times out of 10 I only use Cinebench 15 and 20
I love RYZEN CPUs but the fact is the although gen 1 and gen 2 RYZEN were great value and great performance they actually had a problem with FPS. The 3600 solved that problem and the 5600 beat Intel handsomely. Hardware unboxed pointed out there was something not right about the early RYZEN's performance.
@@BigMan7o0 Passmark did too. A shitty Celeron can overrun a C2D because they included obscure "features" who no one notice.
And I think there's not a innocent movement. There's intersts on that. Many intersts...
UberWendark the only site a quad core i3 from a decade ago outperforms 1000$ 12 core current CPUs
i mean, it's not wrong
if you aren't using all 12 cores on something why even have them in the first place?
8 cores doing nothing because the game or application doesn't support them is just dead weight.
besides which AMD has always been terrible at programming drivers so you end up with extremely picky chipsets that still cause windows to shit itself if they get loaded too hard.
@@Noruzenchi86 What? This is nonsense, of course it's wrong. 8 cores doing nothing is (at worst) extra silicon area for heat dissipation, and its extremely rare for anyone to do _literally nothing_ that benefits from more CPU cores: It helps with loading programs faster, for example. AMD's drivers have been fine since 2020.
@@Noruzenchi86 Found the UberBirchSnack owner!
@@Noruzenchi86 Holy shit is this the real loserblurchmark?
Are you wiimmsimmmaachenmark??@@Noruzenchi86
Hey Phillip! Ghostwire: Tokyo just released and it has THREE supported upscaling algorithms: FSR, DLSS and Unreal Engine's own hardware-agnostic TSR. Digital Foundry covered it but I'm sure you'd be very interested in testing in on more sensible budget parts, like the 6500XT ;)
6500xt a budget part? Mate, there's literally a GPU price spike stll. (At least in OCE)
6500XT "more sensible"? What are you on and where can I get some? :D
@@orvyasis I suppose it really depends on where you live. Here in Germany a 6500XT is ~180 € new.
@@hanneskilian6340 Germany's also got a ton of drugs, coincidentally
"sensible budget" LMAO
Tell us you are disconnected from reality, without telling us you are disconnected from reality.
If a CPU is cheaper than another one, that's nice, but if the motherboard it requires costs a lot more, you have to account for that in order to properly asses the relative value
This is true now more than ever
Here is their review of 5800X3D. Is just hilarious:
For most real-world tasks performance will be comparable to the 5800X which is significantly cheaper. Some specific cache sensitive scenarios such as canned game benchmarks with a 3090-Ti will benefit. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins and ignore the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and RUclips, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD’s marketers continue to show more interest in this year’s bonuses than the longevity of the brand. Instead of focussing on real-world performance, they attempt to dupe consumers with benchmark busting headlines. The same tactics were used with the Radeon 5000 series GPUs. In order to compete, Zen4 needs to bring substantial IPC improvements, rather than overpriced "3D" marketing gimmicks.
xdddd
They went 2 sentences before going into the "AMD SHILLS" angle...wow.
Poor Userbenchmark. AMD must have stolen their crush and fucked their parents.
They copy-pasted it for the 7800x3d LMAOOO 😂😂😂
But the 5800x3d will wipe the floor with something budget from Intel, such as the 12100, 12300 and 12400.
On a serious note, I hope to upgrade from a R5 3600 to R7 5800X (or 5800X3D, depending on what I can snipe on eBay) and hopefully get some really nice CPU performance.
Actually AMD did it because of limited manufacturing due to shortages in semi industry. TSMC didn't have enough offering to provide both for budget and premium for AMD, so they made economic decision to produce premium chips first.
sure... but it's mostly because they have wayyy higher margins on the server side, so there is very little incentive to use their limited supply on lower margin parts.
@@BattousaiHBr duh. Doesn't change the fact primary reason is manufacturing constraints.
@@Fadexpl actually, even with unlimited supply there still is an incentive to create scarcity on lower margins products to force consumers to get more of the higher margins parts. this is exactly what nvidia has been doing for a while by hiking up prices since amd is not a real competitor in the gpu space.
Thats only half true. The main problem for AMD budget line up is the design. All AMD non APU series CPU are made with the same 8 core dies all the way from the top of threadripper to ryzen 3. The problem now is, TSMC 7nm is very mature d, so they have high yield rate, around 90% or higher cpu dies has fully functional 8 cores, so to make enough lower end models, AMD has to disable working cores, which they are not willing to do as long as they can sell enough mid and high end skus. Intel do make different dies for low end model, so thats not an issue for them.
They legally are obligated to make their share holders as much money as possible. If they dont they will get sued.
The funny thing is, I actually ordered a Ryzen 9 5900x the other day BECAUSE userbenchmark was salty about it. When they say things like "it isn't cheap enough" after years of "it's single core speed isn't good enough", you know the single core speed is running circles around intel and they needed to move the goal posts again. I can't think of a CPU line-up in the last few years where intel is actually better value for your money (for engineering CAD/CAM productivity) and with the Ryzen 5000 series, intel are still kinda lagging behind and AMD just dropped the 7000 series little bit ago...
Holup Ryzen is better than Intel for CAD???
@@Kevin-mx4vm In my experience, AMD is definitely better for CAD than intel. AMD engineers use their own chips for engineering future ones lol.
I literally just rewatched your first video on UB! Glad to see an update my friend
one thing AMD definitely has going for them is the longevity and versatility that AM4 has offered these few years. i got a 2700 and an x470 board in 2018 and that leaves me open to grab a 5800 or 5900 without having to grab a new board. especially with the price cuts.
same, i got a 3400g on a320 board and yesterday I got a 5600x working on the very same board
Not only AM4, before that with AM2/AM3 you could upgrade without ever having to replace the whole systems, as some of their CPU lines supported multiple platforms.
Last time Intel did that was with LGA775, and there was still some incompatibility. (But great being able to test a single core Pentium 4 and a Quad Core Core 2 on the same board)
With a b450 I went from 2600 to 5600 and the performance uplift is yuuge
@@matta6088 I have same board and cpu as you but Im thinking of 5800x3d instead of 5600. Would u agree
4:15 there are other reasons why you would want the integrated graphics on those
For example, I have a discrete GPU (1650 Super) and a G-Series APU (3200G), and I regularly use both GPU and the APU's GPU at the same time
My use case is quite niche however, since I'm using both so I can have Linux running so I can do programming and Windows in a VM running so I can do gaming (the Windows VM gets the 1650 super when it's running). This saves me the hassle of having to dual boot, and the fact it's in a VM actually provides some very useful features, for example I can just add a virtual hard drive at any time, and to switch between my host and the Windows VM I just have to press both CTRL keys on my keyboard
Why not just use wine and DKVK?
@@valletas some games have issues with those tools, for example games like destiny 2 don't work due to their AC
Also I've seen a decent improvement in perf in a VM versus using Proton in certain games
Thanks for the knowledge.
The 7950X review was so funny. I'm praying that, come 3 April, there'll be a new 2kliks ruser fence shark video.
Love your videos.. just like the side for the benchmark tool, I like to compare basic hardware swaps and make me aware of e.g. me not turning on XMP
12 series intel is a good budget option until you look at the motherboards. Intel just dropped $30-50 from the CPU price to look competitive then made the money back on chipsets. This actually impacts budget builds to a massively higher degree than premium builds as it constitiutes a much larger percentage of the overall build cost.
Wait till am5 comes out and it will be exactly the same
Yup, I'd have to pay nearly double to get the features I want from an Intel mobo compared to a AMD mobo. Obviously the AM5 mobo's will be much closer in cost, and the AMD mobo's already existed before the shortages, but still. Allowing overclocking on B-series and having manufacturers create proper boards for them will massively solve the issue for me.
@@Alucard-gt1zf earlier b550 and x570 was similar tbh
@@Alucard-gt1zf Exactly the same? AMD going to start making motherboards that are obsolete for new CPUs every 18 months beacuse of "reasons"??? Biggest scam in the industry. Intel made billions from chipset sales for best part of a decade, churning out 4 and 6 core chips that had miniscule generation on generation improvements but needed a new board each time.
I helped a friend build a mid-range gaming PC, and it was cheaper to buy a discounted 5600x and a B550 than an i5 12400f with a B660. Also, the cheapest B660s were lower quality than the B550s for the same form factor. The 5600x is also a tiny bit faster than the 12400f at 1080p, so the choice was easy.
I didn't expect a sequel
I have a theory on the timing also.
it has been said that the node the 5xxx series of cpu is based on has had great yields.
perhaps they have been able to push so much to the server segment that it is taking them a long time to build an inventory of chiplets with enough disabled cores / lower clock speeds to warrant launching a product.
Otherwise they would be down binning perfectly good high end chiplets for the sake of timing or face those lower end cpu's to be out of stock.
Food for thought
Reddit has confirmed ,tsmc N5C,N7 DUV has very high yield,so we are not gonna get any zen 3 ryzen 3 or lower ,as well as zen 4
Also N7DUV has very high yield,thats why amd can do a sophisticated 3d cache version at such reasonable price
Even though I find it totally stupid that everything is getting more and more expensive and even though I know that AMD is NOT MY FRIEND, there is nobody I currently begrudge more than the long underdog AMD...
+ Better performance per watt
+ Promise to support the platform until 2022 kept
+ Great upgrade path
I'd probably swap to latest intel if I didn't have to completely swap my motherboard again. pain in the ass, and unless it really matters for my use case i won't be until i'm a few generations behind with AMD
@@aeswere I'll switch to AM5 as soon as I can. I'm still on 4790k. I watched the behavior of the AMDs very closely and I really liked the way they behaved (promise kept). Hopefully it stays that way with the next platform. But what choice does the customer have? Intel has proven the opposite!
@Greyson or RISC 5? exciting times are ahead of us!
@@mcmormus Intel held quad-core PCs back by almost a decade!
*AMD:* We put the AMD in Amdahl’s Law. I mean _Cores for Cheap!_ /s
I upgraded from my 4770K to 3 Threadrippers out of spite for Intel’s shenanigans.
@@MichaelPohoreski haha very nice! I also look forward to the moment when I will have more cores than now threads
I am 100% sure behind that Site is a single Dude having a TempleOS Style Mental breakdown streched over many years.
certainly can be perceived as a schizo for sure
his reviews read like manifestos and the metrics are genuinely insane
I love UserPantmark, thanks for covering it Phillip.
That was great. I've never heard of you and it's a good thing that you talk bout this because it is a legitimate problem. Continue your work! :D
legitimate problem? everybody active in any community already knows of this since half a decade back, and anybody with a brain easily sees through the sites lies, if they just read the numbers and "reviews"
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I didn't know about that. That's why I liked it
You should check out 2kliksphilip's other videos, a lot of them are random video game stuff (which I like) but if you are only here for learning more about PC hardware/software, this channel has tons of good videos about that.
we didn't get another userbenchmark critique from you this year :(
They have outdone themselves now making a literal shitpost about Zen4.
I didn't know the previous video you did was so recent :o
I could have sworn that it was pre-pandemic but I've been particularly awful with my ability to recognise the passage of time this past while
I'd be interested in knowing if they've ever attempted to make a response to any of the accusations, and if they've ever tried to justify their zany claims
it'd be interesting to see for sure :o
4:03 I'd say the same an year ago, but 5600g's price tanked to $150 which is a pretty good deal for a prebuilt.
This site lies so much 😭
They said a 3060 is better than an rx 6800 (laptop versions)
The only reason I'm considering upgrading my Ryzen 2700 to an AMD chip again is because my b350 board is supposed to be getting ryzen 5000 support later this year. If I had to get a new motherboard then Intel would be better from the numbers I've seen?
I would wait for the next amd socket and try to go for that instead. That 2700 is still solid for most stuff.
As the other dude said, the best option would be to wait for AM5. But that 2700 is still a pretty solid CPU.
keep the 2700 for a few more years bud.
intel motherboards are more expensive and cant overclock unless you pay even more.
are other small things that matter too, such as ryzen gaining more from having faster ram.
in conclusion, I would get a cheaper mobo & cpu 2nd hand lol.
intel - pricier motherboards (with less features) and higher cpu's tdp (and dont forget security bugs that gets later patched with performance penalty)
amd - in general, they become better with underclocking (not as popular opinion)
thats my 2'c.. in my desktop, i still run 1700x that i bought 2nd hand for 80€ when Zen2 released many years ago, underclocked to either 1V 3.2ghz, or 1.1V 3.45ghz .. consumes like 65-80W
I upgraded from an 1800X to a 3900XT. The 'XT' variant might not be popular, but it was available and the same price as the 'X' variant. So, that's what I choose and haven't had any issues since. Well worth the upgrade.
Yea I have the 3900x and holy shit is this CPU a monster it never struggles with any task and even my 6800XT is the bottle neck in my system lmao. (I am on a 470-F so the 6800XT is losing out on some performance.)
I just upgraded from the 1800x and a x370 board to the 5800x3d and a x570 board. Difference is night and day.
Ordered myself the 3900x and got a 5900x so very happy bout that!
You left out the best pronunciation...
UserSkidmark
The text flash at 0:40 : *On premium z-series of motherboards with a custom cooler and after the intel 6900k is overclocked vs the Ryzen 3600xt
I was ready for this sequel, I even watched the original video in preparation.
I've never read their opinions on products. I've only looked at the numbers. Stopped using them as my main source of comparisons after I was made aware of the problems.
Same man, I was so fucking pissed when I found out. Never gonna let this happen again and will always check out site rep from now on for everything. I only used it because I remembered it being legit when I was a kid, and now I feel like a fool. So crazy that their comparative stats like eFPS are so fucking bizarre that even the numbers can't be trusted.
I like them for finding decent value SSDs. I ignore them for cpu / GPU generally
only ever used it to see the percent comparisons for gpus, didn't realize how scandalous it really is
UPDATE : they got so butthurt these days, they even added an entry for the Ryzen 7600X as the "ADVANCED MARKETING DEVICES". At this point I'm at a loss for words
memebenchmark
I cant get over how Philip keeps destroying the Userbenchmark name more and more as time goes on 😂
omg what great a analyses!
Looking forward to you covering r/place 2
For G series processors they were a generation off until now, 2000G processors were zen1 (1000 series) 3000G processors were zen+ (2000 series) 4000g processors were zen 2 (3000 series) and it wasn’t until now with 5000/5000G that they are all on the same ZEN 3 process
The Value proposition for first geb Ryzen owners is really good now.
Im still running my 1500X on a B350 board and will get myself a R5 5600 soon, without having to swap anything else.
make sure you have several bios versions ad hand you can run into hardcore RAM trouble with those old boards...(drivers were a mess back in the ryzen1 days)
@@proxis9980 I hope it will be fine... i am already running a pretty new bios version, just havent updated to the version supporting 5000 series CPUs.
I'd love to see more general CPU stuff from you, not just Userbenchmark stuff
5:59 caughed me so off guard xD
Userbenchmark somehow managed to have my 9600k outperform my 5900x in the benchmark. It's honestly hilarious how biased both their reviews and their benchmark is considering in every other benchmark the 5900x beats it significantly in single and multithreaded tests. I should also point out that even in gaming it's a night and day difference and my gpu is only a 1080 so I could only imagine how much bigger it would be once I upgrade.
Userbenchmark is great for figuring out if you misconfigured something. You'll know right away if you forgot to turn XMP on, it'll tell you your RAM sucks compared to everyone else with that stick. Also decent for seeing if you lost the silicon lottery, if your overclock is bad, or if you (like me) were a big dumb who was using the wrong port for his external SSD, seriously limiting speed...
For purchasing decisions, though, we should all stick with GamersNexus!
Why not just use Tools like 3D Mark, HWinfo, Crystaldiskmark etc. with results, that are actually usable?
@@GaymerBenny Its simpler that way(i think).
@@GaymerBenny because most people dont give a shit about benchmarking tools mate.
@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL So what is the Userbenchmark Tool then?
@@saricubra2867 You know that 1% and 0.1% lows express the same information as frametime spikes right? And that the recorded footage you're viewing on youtube is a compressed and reduced framerate version of the actual render right? You're kidding yourself if you think you're actually getting more useful data from those things.
Personally I'd still go with Hardware Unboxed over GN because they produce concise multi-game averages at multiple resolutions. You don't have to individually look at every single game's plot, just skip to the 1440p averages or whatever your resolution is and call it a day. And you can always cross-reference with other sources like TechPowerup's GPU database as a sanity check (but this is less reliable as all data is condensed down to a single performance value, so differences in performance by resolution are not apparent).
Holy crap, it's been a year already?
I got the 2700x instead of the 8700k because it was slightly cheaper and came with a cooler making it even cheaper, but the main selling point was the idea i would get more generations further with my mobo and I was right. I wouldn't had to get another board by now but I don't with a 5800x3d. That's the kind of stuff consumers look for. Nobody in the main market is in such a need for like 2fps more, but do like upgrade paths, lower prices, and extras in the box. That free cooler may not be a d15, but it worked for the 2700x just fine and the chip ran stable and pumped a solid 60fps in anything it ever played barring rare occasions. I can't believe the criticisms they make are in good faith at all.
I remember getting an "equivalent" performance ryzen cpu from this site, just because someone told me ryzen was pretty good and to give them a try.
Long story short, my cpu is amazing compared to anything else in my pc.
I'm a simple man, I see a video shitting all over Noober Benchmark, I click like.
5800x and a 3080ti is what im currently using and just built. I was going to use my 2700 until the 5800x3d or what ever came out but I didn't want to wait microcenter sold the cpu for like 300 witch was a good deal.
i simply love my 3950x, you know you have a beast when you dont even notice you have 2 games running in 4k at the same time while also your visual studio solution is open.
That was always my feelings when looking Benchmarks on this website that they had an anti-AMD biais.
since you didn't mention it i will, amd uses tsmc for their manufacturing, which has X amount of wafers to sell, and due to the virus of unknown origins, 2 consoles launching at the same time, and amd selling every single cpu they made for the server market, amd was really supply constrained since the 5000 series launch only recently has that constraint gone away,
Yes! i watched the last one last april and thought you would never make a new one.
can't wait for part 3
I was wondering, do you think you could do cpu and gpu round up's a few times a year as a consistent series? I really enjoy your perspective as a price understanding consumer, and how you look at the landscape as a whole to give a judgement (i.e. with your budget hero video). other than that, good video!
Any suggestions for sites that do a similar comparison though? UserBenchmark's a great place to just say "hey, give me these two things compared" and get a number across a bunch of different tests quickly, instead of finding charts like at 1:30 that might not cover the exact comparison you want.
Getting a 5600X soon ($209 at MicroCenter, awesome! - we'll see how the 5500 performs). This 1300X has served me well, but it just ain't cutting it anymore for me. I do hope an equivalent of the 1300X but more modern arrives, it was a great help when I was trying to build for cheap (though, in current times, maybe a G in that range would be better :P)
i've seen passmark cpu comparison to be quite reliable, and is often used by emulator groups to judge how well a cpu would emulate.
userbenchmark is mostly useful to get a vague idea and check release dates, it's trash at everything else.
If you want to see proper a comparison just check a youtube video or CPUZ scores.
Passmark, Geekbench, PCMark, CPU-Z. All 4 have their flaws and biases, but orders of magnitude less severe than Userbenchmark.
Since 5XXX launch 3xxx & 2xxx chips were nowhere to be found, leaving the only option for budget and systems to be the 5600x - nearly twice the price of the 10400 i5 in local stores.
Hoping the new low end am4 stuff can do some good
Just watched the last video last night and I wake up to another one. Also, Budweiserbenchshark.
I still don't get what userbenchmark has against AMD
Money. Probably paid somehow (Indirectly? Receiving products? Friends?) by intel.
You'd be surprised the lengths people go just for pure fanboyism.
sunken cost fallacy i guess since amd sockets are supportend for way longer
I still don't get Userbenchmark
i settled on i7 12700K with 12 cores 20 threads. i feel like the value of the i5 12th gen is better than any new releases from ryzen so far
BenchmarkShmarkShmark doesn't look too bad when Intel is being good, they look REALLY bad when Intel is being bad.
And now the 5700x3d (arguably 2nd best gaming procie from the 5000 series) can be had for $249. Long live AM4!
I think AMD uses their last gen offerings as the budget option. They do seem to keep in stock well enough.
The last IntelShillMark video was legendary, and Im so glad there's been a sequel. Hopefully we will see yet another next year or sooner!
Wanna try something fun. Tell your friend that has a GTX 1080 to use the site for the best upgrade path between a 3070Ti or a 3080... It will super accurately tell you that the 3070ti is 58% better while the 3080 is only 45% better.... So the 3080 is 13% slower than the 3070ti (unless you compare them directly where the 3080 is 24% faster)
3080 shows as 96% more effective speed over a 1080, with the 3070 ti being 60% faster. (that 45% is "game EFps" difference not "effective speed")
@@152mmgoesboom4 "Game EFPS" or not, it's the big bold letters showing people "which card is better". I was using the word speed as a generic term for the info that 99% of people with little PC experience will take as the "Score". Speed could refer to a lot of things from clock speed to memory speed or bus speed.
The point is, there's no way that a 3070ti will have both a higher effective FPS than a 3080 (when comparing it to the 1080) and lower effective FPS than a 3080 (when comparing the two directly). The only way this would be possible is if the reviewer were to be using different test conditions. If they are using different test conditions, that means all of their data is skewed. I could run a 10100 with a 3090 and compare the FPS to a Ryzen 5950x with a gtx 1030 and go, "Oh look, the 10100 decimates the 5950x in gaming." It all boils down to the site being bias and skewing numbers to produce data in their favor.
@@Shadowen925 I cannot find a way where the 3070 ti scores higher then a 3080 on userbenchmark classification "effective speed"
@@152mmgoesboom4 Go to GPU comparison. Put GTX 1080 on one side and RTX 3070Ti on the other. The 70Ti will show "effective speed" as 59% higher. //// Now switch the 70Ti to 80 and the 3080 will only show "effective speed" as 45% higher. If the 70ti is 59% faster and the 80 is only 45% faster than the 1080, then the 3070ti should, by that scale, be 13% faster....
You know, I never actually real Userbenchmark's reviews. I always thought that it was a website where people used their software and uploaded a benchmark. The 'reviews' were just relaying stats of whatever it came up with.
Boy was I wrong lol. I never actually looked deep into the website, just accidentally clicked on it a few times.
Fun fact: Asus' armourcrate program shows that he 7950x is running on max speed when it's running at 5,3 Ghz. It usually idles at 5,6, which makes it go a second round om the "speedometer"
It's weird how wowzers ranchcard is so vehemently anti-AMD. I wonder if they actually somehow get sponsored by Intel?
Even Intel is smart enough not to associate themselves with branddeal wenchlark.
They have a point on the rampant amd fanboyism on the internet though, there are more anti-Intel shills out there than anti-AMD, so they might just be contrarians.
@@steel5897 To explain that, Intel has been the big and abusive winner for longer than AMD has so more people dislike it. $1000+ Extreme Editions, really? And being contrarian doesn't mitigate being wrong. AMD is currently the best right now, and often still the best value (if you're looking for mid-high end).
@@Demmrir amd isnt the best after 11 and 12 gen launch..
nah, they arent. just someone justifying manipulating and lying to people just because they feel that they see too many promoting amd. and too much time on their hands
MserUenchBark is literally unofficial Intel and Nvidia propaganda.
YES HAHAHAHA please keep documenting this
im so sad at the current state of budget gaming, im glad things are just beginning to get better
New Userbenchmark review for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
"The 5800X3D has the same core architecture / IPC as the 5800X but it runs at lower clock speeds and has an extra 64MB of cache (96MB up from 32MB). This results in relatively low latency readings at 128MB because those transfers have a higher chance of remaining in cache. For most real-world tasks performance will be comparable to the 5800X which is $120 USD cheaper. Some specific cache sensitive scenarios such as canned game benchmarks will benefit. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins and ignore the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD’s marketers continue to show more interest in this year’s bonuses than the longevity of the brand. Instead of focussing on real-world performance, they attempt to dupe consumers with benchmark busting headlines. The same tactics were used with the Radeon 5000 series GPUs. In order to compete, Zen4 needs to bring substantial IPC improvements, rather than "3D" marketing gimmicks. Either way, new high end PC gaming builders need look no further than the 12600K. Users with existing AM4 builds should wait a few more months for Zen4 / Raptor Lake rather than upgrading an EOL platform."
Thats some salty intel fanboy right there.
Its funny how it actually took the launch of 13th gen and Ryzen 7000 to show how great the 5800x3D actually is.
@@ImInYourBrains Yeah I upgraded from the 1800x and an x370 to the x3d and a x570, biggest performance boost I've ever had.
They're doing it again 😂😂😂😂😂
Oh shit. Back with another one of these.
To be honest when Ryzen 3 launched the "budget option" was the 3600 or 3300X, so they haven't released budget options but they have continued to manufacture and sell Ryzen 2 in that segment.
The i5 12400f is just amazing piece of work.
I remember when Userbenchmark was recommending a 9100f over a 3700X. Good times.
5:48 Wow, I had no idea I picked such a good time to get a new CPU.
I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 3800x in 2020, got it bundled with a motherboard for around $500. I did end up replacing much more than that, but only because my system before I did that was trash.
Before that I was running an Intel I5 7400, but the PC was a prebuilt so the mb was only an Intel 100 series chipset so I would have needed to replace the mb no matter what I did. I ended up also doubling my RAM and switching to an NVME SSD for my main drive. I did have to buy a new power supply and case too. All in all, ended up spending $900 to replace literally everything except some of the RAM and the GPU but my PC went from taking 10 minutes to fully boot up to taking 30 seconds to fully boot up.
At this point my GPU and power supply are the weak points of my build, a GTX 1050 and a 500 watt power supply. I want to get a 3060 or whatever new AMD hotness comes out to replace my 1050, and I want to get a modular 750 watt power supply.
Yeah, prebuilts are trash. There is no upgrade path, no re-use of old components (except for SSD\HDDs), and they generaly suck. Had the same issue with that, proprietary MoBo that died on me, so I couldn't replace it.
What's interesting is that when Intel was faster but had a lower value than AMD, Userbenchmark didn't care about value, only performance. Now that Intel and AMD have swapped roles, suddenly performance doesn't matter, only value.
But Userbenmark is very convenient when you want to fast test your "whole" gaming rig. It tests all GPU, CPU, ram, and storage in 1 test only instead of downloading 4 different testing programs for each part. When first buying a PC at the store I always download User Benmark for a fast test before paying and bringing it home
Passmark (CPU benchmark) also tests your whole system, and unlike Userbenchmark, they are actually good at it.
same here, it's great for this. my only complaint is that with very uncommon SSDs it doesn't know what to call it and lumps you in with a bunch of other people under some generic name, then it tells you your drive sucks >:(
good video. liked spreadsheets, since i didn't follow market now i understand amd scheme
Annoyingly when you search for benchmarks Google still puts them at the top though with no option to block them from results.
I don't want to come here to "defend the multi-billion dollar company", but there are some things that I feel are always pretty overlooked when talking about AMD and how their prices have gone up over time, among other related topics.
First and foremost, yes, AMD is a company that needs to make money, if it was "consumer friendly" all the time it probably wouldn't last long to go back to being a shadow of Intel, which honestly makes me think that a lot of people who say the "AMD is not your friend" seem more like they are disappointed by their expectations.
My second point is that whenever someone talks about prices, we forget that Intel has always been more expensive, but not by individual price, but by compatibility, their Mobos usually last just a year or less, some capabilities that AMD offers you as a base, Intel enables them only in products of an "enthusiast" quality and price range, plus most AMD products come with an at least functional cooler, unlike most Intel products that seems that almost only includes it to make people feel that their purchase was a little more worth.
Side rant btw: is literally because of Intel that some older computer techs believe that any new processor has to have an aftermarket cooler in the budget because the stock one won't perform well xd.
And finally, my third and last point, let's remember that AMD was almost in ruins not too long ago, they need to regain the trust and support of OEMs, yes, I was too very annoyed that most generations of processors with integrated graphics and low end processors, that could have helped people in these shortages, came out only for OEMs, but AMD not only needs to generate revenue as a company, they also need to ensure their future profitability, and that includes having a "good relationship" with other companies.
This kind of discussion has always bothered me, because it seems to be of little to non relevance that intel did things like paying contracts for some high end laptop models to come out only with their chips, but if AMD, who don't even produce their own silicon, raise the price of the products they offer, for various somewhat justifiable reasons, the first thing people say is "AMD raised them because they have no competition, companies are definitely not your friends".
Yes, companies are not your friends, but why should they automatically be your enemies?
Especially the company that came to force Intel to be competitive?
I'm not asking for AMD to be glorified just because, but I would at least like to see less context left out of the conversation when, historically speaking, Intel has been considerably worse than AMD in terms of practices in the last decade (And yes, I know what happened with the FX series, but it's still not comparable).
Also the part of AMD holding their claims. They said that AM4 will be supported til 2022, and they didn't lie. They had the worst TDP for their performance, said they will fix it, now they're the most efficient. How can people claim that this company is evil and must the your enemy?
@@assetaden6662 I, too, don't get it, literally AMD, in actuality, has done more "good" things than "bad" for the consumer and it is somewhat frustrating that many techtubers and people in general practically promote bad faith towards all companies, I'm not saying that AMD in the future may not actually become a actual money hungry company, but, for me, it seems quite unprofessional of many "knowledgeable" people (on the subject) to treat this way the company that made intel finally do something besides enjoy their monopoly.
As I said, it's not a matter of worshiping AMD, it's a matter of not leaving the whole context out.
UserFrenchmark is a very weird site, still cant figure out if its an elaborate troll, deliberate misinformation, or they are just intel fanboys
I believe the answer to your question is the almighty "inclusive or".
The answer is "yes."
Would love to see a 2023 update!
3:52
$220 in 2017 would be $280 today due to inflation, so that price difference between the 1600 and 5600X is actually very similar to the difference between the 1600 and 1600X. The era where you could sell a CPU for $200 and still make a profit is likely almost over, since the value of $200 is so much lower now. This doesn't excuse the complete lack of budget options, but it does give a different perspective.