thats misleading as it seems to be many youtubers already showed that air will go on the top while the cables are on bottom so everybody saying this aint and issue aslong your gpu isnt to big of course the radiator must remain on top
Great job. SC is the game I most play and so far this is the best video out there. I have the 13900k and it took me some time to realize that we should disable the e-cores. I believe that all of your videos will help many players. I was reading the comments and it is hard to please everyone. They don’t realize that they’re able to choose whatever is the best for them. If it’s the most expensive or the cheapest or if it consumes more power or not. Just choose the one you like and be happy. It’s sad that you must choose a side today! It’s harder just be kind and thanks for the good work and time for doing this videos. I’m happy with all of them because I really love this game. What system did you choose for you? 👍🏻
What would ddr5 ram at 5600mhz stock setting do to your fps results? would it be a small (like 10 fps) difference or big difference like 30 fps? im still judging on what i should buy to upgrade, 13600k should also be allot better for the price it sells as far as i can find online (like 10-15% difference when the price is like double for a 13900k)
Have you updated the bios on the Asus X3d chips sets thinking about the chip and the memory controller voltage going over 1.3v and if you have did you notice any memory EXPO 1 issues been less stable ? I have not updated mine to the Beta Bios waiting till they issue a full new Bios . but so far fingers crosses my 7950x3d on the Asus crosshair X670E Hero is still ok
That would be a very long video, will try and get around it when I have time. Also if I show the process I need to make sure that I articulate it so it makes sense for everyone. Allot of work on my end is required to get a video like that out but want to do it in the future for sure
Do you take into account the variation in waiting time for the metro? I think it is part of the run that should be equalized...with that I mean always take the same amount of time waiting, discard the rest of the measurement.
First I thought it must be a joke and the picture was upside down. But the computer case was the right way up, with the gpu inverted. Which is ok I guess if you like that style. What you should never do however is to have your radiator at the bottom, below the pump. Air bubbles will accumulate there and eventually break it. Just a heads up. It will happen.
Your pump will fail regardless. Sick of this misconception gn perpetuated without properly explaining it. Water will naturally drop over time and that's what will kill your aio. But by that point you'll be out of warranty anyway and using an aio without warranty is more of a death wish then having it upside down. Assuming you're a normal person who replaces things that aren't in warranty that aio will be fine for 5+ years in that configuration.
Yes it is tied to the resolution too, the higher resolution the more dithering/rays casts which exponetialy increases the GPU demand, if you reduce the cloud setting then the 4090 is CPU/RAM bound again
This is by FAR the best bench marking comparison video done on SC with not only peak hardware from both companies, but you actually max tuned both to get the most fair comparison. You earned my sub. I would be interested to see a qauntum drive travel test in future to see fi the AMD 3dvcache gives any kind of boost for asset streaming. Right now it seems like the top AMD 3d vcache chips still suffer a bit from the AM DIP at 1% lows and to me that would be much more distracting/ negative than a lower max fps. But its pretty crazy how close performance and competitive the top chips from AMD/ Intel are right now. I'm going to be buying my SC computer when Intel Arrowlake 15900k and AMD Zen5 8800x3d are out late 2024 with 5090 and better DDR5/ IMCs. My guess is Intel 15900k will be better than zen 5 8800x3d, suppose to be the biggest singlle thread cpu performance generational jump since Sandybridge 2600k, and SC isn't in a good enough state yet for me to feel like im missing anything by waiting for next gen
It is still working, I replaced the AIO with a custom loop. And I am now using the AIO for the other AMD Test Bench. The goal was to build a custom loop with the case being inverted so I was not worried about it.
Can you please do the same tests with the following settings: V-sync: off Clouds: Low Tesselation Distance: Low Scattered Objects Distance: Low Quality: Very High Motion Blur: off Chromatic aberration: off Film grain: off
Would I lose much performance if I went with 13700k vs 7800x3d, both without OC and DDR5 6000mhz ram? The gaming reviews show some very different results, ranging between (0%) no difference and 14% in favor of the AMD.
If you are building a new PC and you don't intend to OC or tune then just go with the 7800X3D and get the cheapest B650 motherboard here is a link: amzn.to/3MVt0I8
4080 should be 100% GPU bound in 3440x1440, I think it will be a perfect match. If you go for 4090, it will have a bit higher FPS, like maybe 10% as you will be CPU bound most of the time at that resolution. But as Star Citizen becomes more demanding graphically in the long run when they add Raytracing the 4090 manage that better in the future, but by then new GPUs will be out. Overall it is hard to say, its based on your budget and what you want to achieve, if I where you I would just buy the 4080 on amazon, test it look at the GPU utilisation and FPS, if you are happy keep it. If not return it and go for the 4090.
Personally I prefer the 13900K system because it is overall faster in Star Citizen when fully tuned, it feels like Star Citizen is optimized. But for the average person who don't want to see a BIOS screen or who do not care about getting the best performance I would recommend the 7800X3D because it is the best plug and play as the performance is superb out of the box. What I like about the 78003XD is that it is cool, quite and consumes less power, also the AM5 Platform has a great upgrade path. AMDs next Gen Zen5 CPUs is rumored to be 37% faster than 7800X3D, which makes the AM5 platform a great option long term and more cost efficient. But as of now I use the 13900K as the main rig cause it is also faster in video editing.
Latest BIOS Show No Performance Difference Between DDR5-6200 & DDR5-7400. According to early testers. I will test it myself once the BIOS is out for my board (end of July) but would not be surprised if there is no performance gains because it would be limited by the FCLK speeds anyways. I only think the next gen Zen5 will benefit massively of these higher speeds as it should come with a FCLK speed increase as-well.
Quite sad. But thanks for the fast answer. Maybe trying to squeeze higher with 1:1? But I'm no expert. When you test it and it doesn't increase fps then well I will believe you over other people :) Was excited by the news and had to think of your work instantly. You squeezed so much out of the Intels.
@@gamedaytoday1 I'm really excited for Zen5. I'm pretty sure I will replace my 12900k DDR4 with a Ryzen8000x3d. Hearing DDR5 is already improved on Zen4 a lot should transfer well to the Zen5. Gonna wait for your benchmarks. Always appreciate them.
@@Fenrirsleash Not really a fanboy, i just do the math instead of actually talking about power numbers that make no difference in your life. How about you do the math yourself like I did? If you used your computer for 10 hours, EVERYDAY, for a whole YEAR, this is how much it would cost you a YEAR: 7800X3D: $50 13900K: $100 Yes, it would cost you $50 more a YEAR if you went with a 13900K. And thats IF you used your computer EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT and all of those 10 HOURS were in game which NOBODY does. Be careful, $50/year is gonna make you broke :)
@@Yahfz it’s pointless to argue that efficiency is a bad thing. If the 13900k was more efficient than the 7800x3d then I would like it better. Your issue with the opinion I have is irrelevant because it is my opinion you have your own and that’s fine but don’t troll through comments blabbering about stuff like efficiency like it doesn’t matter.
I don't have the 13700K, 13900k is good if you want it to simulate the 13700K just check out this video here covering GHz scaling: ruclips.net/video/2jmcHnkVnqg/видео.html
i think the 7800x3d is the best cpu about now because think about what the 13900k ist sucking on your power suply and than compare it with the 7800x3d its just half as much power and with oc the 13900k sucks 3 times more power for what? 10% mor fps in the best case x.x
If your measure of success is power draw/cost vs performance then yes. If your measure of success is the fastest then it’s good to know that 13900k with the right tune delivers higher performance.
It is not fair comparison, you use cheap AMD motherboard, and good intel one. If you get better motherboard with 2nd clock generator you can OC AMD. And with OC 7800x3d you can get additional performance.
Yes you can get more performance using a motherboard with 2nd clock generator, the performance will scale linearly, so if it goes from 100Mhz BCLK to 105Mhz then that is a 5% performance improvement. The choice is yours, would love to get a motherboard with 2nd clock generator but the budget is not there
@@gamedaytoday1 I dont know would it be linear, but i think there would be mkre performance. I habe 7800x3d tuned+ hynix m tuned, and this thing is realy fast. For example in arma 3 it is close ti i9 13900ks at 6.3 with 8800MT/s. Generaly i dont like AMD but i bought it becouse it is fast and does not heat the room as new intels.
@@lordf4667 well it is true the game isn’t fully out yet, there are many that do enjoy it. There is a unique feeling you get just flying around. This guy likes to use SC as a reference to his tests. Yes, buying computers every year is a waste of money, for us normal people, he on the other hand makes videos that people watch to get an idea of what they may want when playing SC. Some people enjoy World of Warcrack still…. Some people like CSGO… some people even like fortnight. If you really look at it, all games are a waste of time and money. Movies are a waste of time and money (why would you go watch the stupid Barbie movie for example). People like different things and that what make the world go round. I personally still like playing SC, just not all of the time. Maybe one day when it comes out I will dedicate a bunch of time to it, doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy it. Buggy and annoying at times yes, very much so. But I don’t take it seriously, I play for enjoyment.
@@amigo3284 I think that compared to other games, Star Citizen is the worst waste of money a person can make... Its political and its instability make this product very frustrating. Some people like frustration... you are right... but I'm not... I bought Star Citizen 7 years ago... it has gotten worse every year... So, I reiterate... Star Citizen is the biggest waste of money in the video game world
tl;dr even after multiple hardware generations, you can still buy no hardware that makes this game run constantly above 60fps, not even in 1080p, while running around in a mostly empty world.
@@yukiokouri9960 Star citizen is very CPU and RAM demanding, the X3D chips don't do well in this game because the vcache is just not big enough for this game. The game ends up utilising the Ram.
Interesting. The 5800X3D was the clear winner vs the Intel equivalent of that gen when running Star Citizen, but this generation Intel has a slight edge.
Intel was a clear winner all mainstream benchmarks ran both systems untuned. Tuned vs Tuned intel has always been winning. See my 5800X3D video here: ruclips.net/video/Q7aHq5lO9mM/видео.html
13900k ($659) + ddr5 8200 ($569.00) vs 7800x3d ($449) + dd5 6400 ($129,99) $1228 vs $578.99.... so in short 13900k is trash value since it loses in value even if you get free ram
@@gamedaytoday1 if we go by testing, zen 4 doesn't handle over 6000 well, so getting 6400 is good result, but there's no need to go for that if you don't want to future proof for zen 5 or 6 about intel performance i saw build zoids 2 hour rant about how atrocious 13 gen memory controller is, going over 7000 is hard and can randomly crash, and not boot after that, also doesn't provide that much compared to older ram generations tuning, plus i think he had 13900k having problem going over 6400mhz i think build zoid also complimented amd going consistently to 6000mhz and if i remember well, then 4th timing provided best performance uplift, 7600 with over 100 on 4th timing was worse than 6000 with like 72 or 64 on 4th timing, which would suggest tightening timings gives best performance uplift, going over 6400mhz not as much also don't know if going all this way of tuning and potential crashes is that valuable to go from 130 to 136 fps in most cases
This guy is talking about 8200 as if its normal, while 90% of the people running a 13900k cant even get close to 8000. Even mentioned 8600-8800 as if its attainable with some basic luck. I mean sure, if you get a 700$+ dual dimm motherboard, relatively expensive ram kit that needs to be actively cooled, and get one of those 1 in 10 000 silicon lottery winners you can probably hit those speeds. Meanwhile, most of the overclockers out there like Buildzoid are losing their minds over Intels IMC as its so freaking unstable once you go beyond 8000, even on dual dimm boards. Not to mention hes comparing this overclocked and overpriced 1200$+ motherboard\CPU setup to a 7800X3D running at some extremely basic -10 CO on a relatively cheap B650 board without an external clock generator, which basically means no overclocking at all. How can you talk about "Max Benchmark" results when you're treating the hardware so differently? Just to give you guys an idea of how bad it is, I've seen people pushing 100-110 fps average consistently (me included) while doing the Orison hab -> spaceport run, while this guy has his 7800X3D hitting 95 fps average. 95 fps is more in the average \ stock region when it comes to the 7800X3D's performance. To say that this is biased would be an understatement.
Why are you taking everything out of context? 8200 is normal for APEX. Its is the minimum you can expect. You read that Buildzoid could not go beyond 8000Mhz on twitter with no further context and assume it is like that for everyone. Every overclocker posting their results on Overclock.net a community of overclocker could achieve 8200Mhz or more. Why do you care if one guy on the internet could not get above 8000 is some kind of universal truth, just because he has more followers? Lol On your second note, I had to choose if I was going to spend premium on a AMD board or Intel board, if money grew on trees then I would have gotten both. Since your complaining about my budget it seems like you got it so why don't you get the hardware and test it for yourself and share the results? On your third point I can tell that you have not actually captured the data of the Orison hab -> spaceport run. Just looking at what frames your getting on your screen at call it 100-110 FPS average casue these are the frames you see the most. I use CapFrameX so I don't have to rely on guessing the Average. Share your 5 CapFrameX results of the same run. Also Its not from the Hab its from the shuttle only, so watch the run guide in slow motion if its to quick for you. Overall you come across like you just want to justify your 7800X3D purchase, its called confirmation bias which is ok. Hoof its ok, no need to catch feeling over hardware, I have both and would recommend the 7800X3D in most builds, but if your goal is to have the best you should know that 13900K tuned has more to give, than the results I could get. Anyone who says its not fair or biased don't like the results because they have the hardware which did not get the highest performance. And to fell better they say the results are biased or wrong, classic case of confirmation biased, like clockworks. Even in the other way around for intel users when I showed the 5800X3D having higher 5%. Next you are going to call me a intel fan boy when I have 2 AMD CPUs? I'll do more on when or if I have the budget, what will you do? More than complain about me sharing my results?
@@gamedaytoday1 I have done my fair share of CapFrameX runs as well, and so have many other people in my circle. Dont think you are the only one running numbers on SC. I would link some of them here, but youtube eats up any comment that has a link in it. And its not about me dealing with some confirmation bias. I can buy whatever I want if thats what you're wondering about. Its more about giving people comparable benchmarks with settings that most people can use. Right now your 13900k is running settings that most people cant use or even get close to, as most people are not running expensive dual dimm boards. The fact that you are even using Overclock net as an argument just shows how far into the rabbit hole you are in terms of what you consider to be normal. And no, Buildzoid wouldnt be my only example, just the loudest one that is easily found by others. Sure, 8200 might be normal on Apex, but its definitely not the norm for every 13900k out there. 13900KS does have a better chance at getting a good IMC, but that is another big step up in cost again. Also, at no point in this video do you mention that an Apex is required to run these settings. Although you have done so in a previous video, never assume that people watch all of your videos. I have seen people run 6600 2200 Fclk at below 1.3 VSOC as well, yet you claim that 6400 at 1.3vsoc is somehow winning the silicon lottery for AMD. Sure, not every CPU can run 6400, but there are far more 6400 CPUs out there than there are 8200 13900K's. My point is that if you want to make comparisons, you need to use comparable settings instead of having one heavily tuned and expensive system that most people cant replicate, and one system that has a mild CO and slightly tuned memory. This entire video puts most of the focus on whats attainable with the Intel system while glossing over what you can do with AMD. And that makes for a bad comparison. Dont get me wrong, I love comparisons like this and I can respect the work that goes into it, but man, you gotta make sure that the comparisons are at least fair. I've used both Intel, AMD, and Nvidia over the years and I got no preference or bias towards any of them and I recommend all of them on an almost daily basis depending on what people need or want, but videos like these really hurts to watch as the bias is clear as day for any knowledgeable person out there. And yes, I've seen all the comments you've deleted about it.
@@Hoofie Now you sound less biased, and more reasonable. If you have the CapframeX results, why don't you post them at TwoPoundFortTwo discord and the links you want to share you can find me there. Thanks for elaborating your points, agreed I could have gone more in-depth that an additional 5% performance with the AMD system could be had if I had a better Board with a external clock generator. A board like the Gigabyte 670x AORUS TACHYON is on the wish list.
@@gamedaytoday1 No worries my dude, I just wanted to point out that theres an imbalance between the 2 systems in your benchmarks, and that one setup is considerably cheaper and easier to run. I really do like seeing numbers from heavily tuned systems like that, but it also needs some context and perhaps a quick explanation on how and what you need to do to make it work, especially when there are certain requirements that needs to be met. Doesnt have to be a 10 minute Ted talk, but most people are pretty clueless when it comes to all this, and will most likely take your results as "Intel better than AMD" without knowing what each setup requires to make it work. Your previous videos were pretty good as you explained it fairly well, just make sure you bring that information forward into your new videos as well when you are testing tuned setups. Perhaps add some more reasonable setups as well to show the scaling with settings most people can run like +/- 7200 Intel and 6000 AMD, just like you did in some of your previous videos. Obviously requires a bit more work, but that type of content is great for both nerds and novices alike, and could be great for any potential purchasing decision they're about to make. Perhaps a "Get the most out of your money" type of video could be interesting as well, where you go over various tweaks you can do to make your 13900k\7800X3D rig perform better? I know how much work it is to properly tune your system, but judging by the comments there seems to be some interest in it. That being said, the 13900k does pack a punch when its in the hands of someone capable of pushing it to the max, so thats nice to see.
@@gamedaytoday1 Also, dont feel pressured to buy a more expensive motherboard just for the Eclk. Messing around with the Eclk is such a niche thing to do, and like you said, its probably better to just mention that it exists and that you could see some extra frames if you got a board with it. Most people will just figure out the CO limit and stick to that.
This is a bogus benchmarking. Person is bias for the arrangement is a showing of it. Game list the reoltuions CPU very easy and yet was not done for the showing is why bias person didn't want to show
Oh man, so much wrong with this Bench I cant even. Basically stock settings on the 7800X3D on a basic bisch B650 without ECG, my 7800X3D easily pushes 30-70 more frames than his. Intel board is 900+ boards with a selected golden sample IMC, while talks like its every monday that his easily happens while every major and known HOCer want to snap their necks over the shit IMC of the 13th adn 12th Gen where the chips STRUGGLE like crazy to even do 800 stable with a single 16GB DIMM. Sorry but if you think this isnt a biased bench, you probably read too much userbenchmark headlines.
Show results if you think a 100 to 105 BLCK overclock will give you 30-70 more FPS, it sounds like this OC needs to happen in a different universe where physics does not apply. Also I lost the silicone lottery, got the worst possible 13900KF, as I said and showed in my video. If I could achieve 8200Mhz with the worst possible IMC then I guess I know what I am doing been doing this since 2007. DDR5 is hard to tune, I understand why some might struggle if they don't know what they are doing, might do a guide so Bulldozer could get his ram stable above 8000.
I bought a 7800x3d, along with some relatively fast ddr5 ram (6400mhz cl32) but when i enable DOCP in the bios i cant boot afterward, so i have to either clear cmos or reflash bios, so im stuck running at 4800mhz :/ do you know a fix?
5:04 Don't put your AIO radiator lower than the pump, the air in the loop will go to the pump and potentially kill the bearing.
thats misleading as it seems to be many youtubers already showed that air will go on the top while the cables are on bottom so everybody saying this aint and issue aslong your gpu isnt to big of course the radiator must remain on top
my bad didnt saw it was on the bottom 💀 if mounted like that its like buying it and straight throwing it into the trash can
Great job. SC is the game I most play and so far this is the best video out there. I have the 13900k and it took me some time to realize that we should disable the e-cores. I believe that all of your videos will help many players. I was reading the comments and it is hard to please everyone. They don’t realize that they’re able to choose whatever is the best for them. If it’s the most expensive or the cheapest or if it consumes more power or not. Just choose the one you like and be happy. It’s sad that you must choose a side today! It’s harder just be kind and thanks for the good work and time for doing this videos. I’m happy with all of them because I really love this game. What system did you choose for you? 👍🏻
What would ddr5 ram at 5600mhz stock setting do to your fps results? would it be a small (like 10 fps) difference or big difference like 30 fps? im still judging on what i should buy to upgrade, 13600k should also be allot better for the price it sells as far as i can find online (like 10-15% difference when the price is like double for a 13900k)
Great Video Keep it up!
More videos are coming
Have you updated the bios on the Asus X3d chips sets thinking about the chip and the memory controller voltage going over 1.3v and if you have did you notice any memory EXPO 1 issues been less stable ?
I have not updated mine to the Beta Bios waiting till they issue a full new Bios . but so far fingers crosses my 7950x3d on the Asus crosshair X670E Hero is still ok
I got the Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX, and updated the BIOS which locks the voltage at 1.3. So far so good with Tuned memory.
I've seen the tuned ram in your benchmarks and in other videos, could you possibly show the process of tuning RAM?
That would be a very long video, will try and get around it when I have time. Also if I show the process I need to make sure that I articulate it so it makes sense for everyone. Allot of work on my end is required to get a video like that out but want to do it in the future for sure
It would have been really interesting if you showed all the timings you used for the tuned ram
You can see the timings in my other videos
Do you take into account the variation in waiting time for the metro?
I think it is part of the run that should be equalized...with that I mean always take the same amount of time waiting, discard the rest of the measurement.
A you can see in 1440p and 1080 the results are virtually the same, so it does not impact the results especially when you take the average of 5 runs
First I thought it must be a joke and the picture was upside down. But the computer case was the right way up, with the gpu inverted. Which is ok I guess if you like that style. What you should never do however is to have your radiator at the bottom, below the pump. Air bubbles will accumulate there and eventually break it. Just a heads up. It will happen.
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Your pump will fail regardless. Sick of this misconception gn perpetuated without properly explaining it. Water will naturally drop over time and that's what will kill your aio. But by that point you'll be out of warranty anyway and using an aio without warranty is more of a death wish then having it upside down. Assuming you're a normal person who replaces things that aren't in warranty that aio will be fine for 5+ years in that configuration.
OMG!!!! Been waiting for this for so long🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩 easily my favourite channel!!!!
Thank you,
with that ram, what are the timmings you used to get 6400 fully stable?
Excellent content
I wonder if the cloud dithering/rending is coupled to the render resolution and is creating an issue at 1080p in orison.
Yes it is tied to the resolution too, the higher resolution the more dithering/rays casts which exponetialy increases the GPU demand, if you reduce the cloud setting then the 4090 is CPU/RAM bound again
How much % is it gpu bound in 4k ? Do you think ?
This is by FAR the best bench marking comparison video done on SC with not only peak hardware from both companies, but you actually max tuned both to get the most fair comparison. You earned my sub. I would be interested to see a qauntum drive travel test in future to see fi the AMD 3dvcache gives any kind of boost for asset streaming. Right now it seems like the top AMD 3d vcache chips still suffer a bit from the AM DIP at 1% lows and to me that would be much more distracting/ negative than a lower max fps. But its pretty crazy how close performance and competitive the top chips from AMD/ Intel are right now. I'm going to be buying my SC computer when Intel Arrowlake 15900k and AMD Zen5 8800x3d are out late 2024 with 5090 and better DDR5/ IMCs. My guess is Intel 15900k will be better than zen 5 8800x3d, suppose to be the biggest singlle thread cpu performance generational jump since Sandybridge 2600k, and SC isn't in a good enough state yet for me to feel like im missing anything by waiting for next gen
Looking forward to 3.19 live performance benchmarks
Check 3.21 if case you haven't. I can't say the exact reason but performance boost was huge.
I’m curious how do you check if you have won the silicon lottery
After a year, any update on how that AIO cooler is working with the pump at the highest point in the loop?
It is still working, I replaced the AIO with a custom loop. And I am now using the AIO for the other AMD Test Bench. The goal was to build a custom loop with the case being inverted so I was not worried about it.
Wow I didnt know you could clock memory that high, 8200mhz is nuts.
Not as nuts as your profile picture
Can you please do the same tests with the following settings:
V-sync: off
Clouds: Low
Tesselation Distance: Low
Scattered Objects Distance: Low
Quality: Very High
Motion Blur: off
Chromatic aberration: off
Film grain: off
Maybe it's time to include BIOS version and settings for xmp or amd expo
Lets go!
Wow, someone who actually tunes ram timings to get most out of the CPU’s?
Must be a miracle
lol!!!!
Would I lose much performance if I went with 13700k vs 7800x3d, both without OC and DDR5 6000mhz ram?
The gaming reviews show some very different results, ranging between (0%) no difference and 14% in favor of the AMD.
If you are building a new PC and you don't intend to OC or tune then just go with the 7800X3D and get the cheapest B650 motherboard here is a link: amzn.to/3MVt0I8
Hi, your cpu radiator Not installed in a good place !
What about 3440x1440 on a 4090? does it make sense or juste go for a 4080?
running a 7800x3d
4080 should be 100% GPU bound in 3440x1440, I think it will be a perfect match. If you go for 4090, it will have a bit higher FPS, like maybe 10% as you will be CPU bound most of the time at that resolution. But as Star Citizen becomes more demanding graphically in the long run when they add Raytracing the 4090 manage that better in the future, but by then new GPUs will be out.
Overall it is hard to say, its based on your budget and what you want to achieve, if I where you I would just buy the 4080 on amazon, test it look at the GPU utilisation and FPS, if you are happy keep it. If not return it and go for the 4090.
I specced out your system where I live, $10k is just nuts for a gaming rig…I am jealous though
Model Motherboard uses for 7800x3d and ram model?
AM5 Motherboard used - amzn.to/3L6uUEX
DDR5 used - amzn.to/3SVQbmU
Same ddr5 ram for intel and amd?
Nice work
Is your ram 1 to 1 with the Fclk of the ryzen system?
Yes
@Game Day was it difficult putting up the fclk that high? I've heard a lot of people have problems getting their ram run 1 to 1 with high-speed ram
Can you do a benchmark with the 7800x3d vs 13900k on gaming if you can thanks
on gaming? can you elaborate?
@@gamedaytoday1 yes on gaming on 1080p thanks
@@gamedaytoday1 I assume he means more games
Which system do you prefer most?
Personally I prefer the 13900K system because it is overall faster in Star Citizen when fully tuned, it feels like Star Citizen is optimized. But for the average person who don't want to see a BIOS screen or who do not care about getting the best performance I would recommend the 7800X3D because it is the best plug and play as the performance is superb out of the box. What I like about the 78003XD is that it is cool, quite and consumes less power, also the AM5 Platform has a great upgrade path. AMDs next Gen Zen5 CPUs is rumored to be 37% faster than 7800X3D, which makes the AM5 platform a great option long term and more cost efficient. But as of now I use the 13900K as the main rig cause it is also faster in video editing.
Heard about Agesa 1007B now? Seems like AMD will be able to push DDR5 WAY higher than before :)
Latest BIOS Show No Performance Difference Between DDR5-6200 & DDR5-7400. According to early testers. I will test it myself once the BIOS is out for my board (end of July) but would not be surprised if there is no performance gains because it would be limited by the FCLK speeds anyways.
I only think the next gen Zen5 will benefit massively of these higher speeds as it should come with a FCLK speed increase as-well.
Quite sad. But thanks for the fast answer. Maybe trying to squeeze higher with 1:1? But I'm no expert. When you test it and it doesn't increase fps then well I will believe you over other people :) Was excited by the news and had to think of your work instantly. You squeezed so much out of the Intels.
@@gamedaytoday1 I'm really excited for Zen5. I'm pretty sure I will replace my 12900k DDR4 with a Ryzen8000x3d. Hearing DDR5 is already improved on Zen4 a lot should transfer well to the Zen5. Gonna wait for your benchmarks. Always appreciate them.
WHOOPIE
13900k is great but the increased power usage isn’t worth it imo.
Indeed it consumes twice as much
oh no, how will you survive paying $20 more a year if you went with the 13900K
@@Yahfz it’s ok to be a fan boy if you want if that’s your thing.
@@Fenrirsleash Not really a fanboy, i just do the math instead of actually talking about power numbers that make no difference in your life.
How about you do the math yourself like I did?
If you used your computer for 10 hours, EVERYDAY, for a whole YEAR, this is how much it would cost you a YEAR:
7800X3D: $50
13900K: $100
Yes, it would cost you $50 more a YEAR if you went with a 13900K. And thats IF you used your computer EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT and all of those 10 HOURS were in game which NOBODY does. Be careful, $50/year is gonna make you broke :)
@@Yahfz it’s pointless to argue that efficiency is a bad thing. If the 13900k was more efficient than the 7800x3d then I would like it better. Your issue with the opinion I have is irrelevant because it is my opinion you have your own and that’s fine but don’t troll through comments blabbering about stuff like efficiency like it doesn’t matter.
13900k E-cores on or off?
E cores off
@@gamedaytoday1 why did you turn the ecores off?
You are wrong, 61% of games are still playd in 1080p ( steam statistics)
Two things can be true at the same time. Your statement and that the majority with 4090 play at 1440p or above. So I don't understand your point.
a better comparison would have been with the i7-13700K.
I don't have the 13700K, 13900k is good if you want it to simulate the 13700K just check out this video here covering GHz scaling: ruclips.net/video/2jmcHnkVnqg/видео.html
Is that computer upside down?
The Lian Li case can be inverted
why was 720p even on there for?
2023 = 1440 and 4k is all there should be and 1440p should not be anymore by 2024. 4k only.
That AIO is screaming for help.
I get better latency with z790 tachyon but 13900ks is delidd too..
i think the 7800x3d is the best cpu about now because think about what the 13900k ist sucking on your power suply and than compare it with the 7800x3d its just half as much power and with oc the 13900k sucks 3 times more power for what? 10% mor fps in the best case x.x
If your measure of success is power draw/cost vs performance then yes. If your measure of success is the fastest then it’s good to know that 13900k with the right tune delivers higher performance.
It is not fair comparison, you use cheap AMD motherboard, and good intel one. If you get better motherboard with 2nd clock generator you can OC AMD. And with OC 7800x3d you can get additional performance.
Yes you can get more performance using a motherboard with 2nd clock generator, the performance will scale linearly, so if it goes from 100Mhz BCLK to 105Mhz then that is a 5% performance improvement. The choice is yours, would love to get a motherboard with 2nd clock generator but the budget is not there
@@gamedaytoday1 I dont know would it be linear, but i think there would be mkre performance. I habe 7800x3d tuned+ hynix m tuned, and this thing is realy fast. For example in arma 3 it is close ti i9 13900ks at 6.3 with 8800MT/s. Generaly i dont like AMD but i bought it becouse it is fast and does not heat the room as new intels.
why build a new pc for a game that never works????
Because he likes the game. As do many other people.
@@amigo3284 you can like the game without waste your money for a top end pc that is bad supported by this sucking game
@@lordf4667 well it is true the game isn’t fully out yet, there are many that do enjoy it. There is a unique feeling you get just flying around. This guy likes to use SC as a reference to his tests.
Yes, buying computers every year is a waste of money, for us normal people, he on the other hand makes videos that people watch to get an idea of what they may want when playing SC.
Some people enjoy World of Warcrack still…. Some people like CSGO… some people even like fortnight. If you really look at it, all games are a waste of time and money. Movies are a waste of time and money (why would you go watch the stupid Barbie movie for example).
People like different things and that what make the world go round. I personally still like playing SC, just not all of the time. Maybe one day when it comes out I will dedicate a bunch of time to it, doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy it. Buggy and annoying at times yes, very much so. But I don’t take it seriously, I play for enjoyment.
@@amigo3284 I think that compared to other games, Star Citizen is the worst waste of money a person can make... Its political and its instability make this product very frustrating. Some people like frustration... you are right... but I'm not... I bought Star Citizen 7 years ago... it has gotten worse every year... So, I reiterate... Star Citizen is the biggest waste of money in the video game world
@@lordf4667why are you worried about what other people choose to do?
tl;dr even after multiple hardware generations, you can still buy no hardware that makes this game run constantly above 60fps, not even in 1080p, while running around in a mostly empty world.
I have a 4080 super, with 7800X3D, 6200mhz and i get 50-60 in New Babbage, then 30 in space...
30 in space? how?
@gamedaytoday1 that's what me and my buddies are saying, I have no issue in any other game. Just star citizen
@@yukiokouri9960 Star citizen is very CPU and RAM demanding, the X3D chips don't do well in this game because the vcache is just not big enough for this game. The game ends up utilising the Ram.
Interesting. The 5800X3D was the clear winner vs the Intel equivalent of that gen when running Star Citizen, but this generation Intel has a slight edge.
Intel was a clear winner all mainstream benchmarks ran both systems untuned. Tuned vs Tuned intel has always been winning. See my 5800X3D video here: ruclips.net/video/Q7aHq5lO9mM/видео.html
For few fps more Intel need twice as much power.If this channel is to be trusted which i don't.But anyway Intel needs new arch this one is dead end.
13900k ($659) + ddr5 8200 ($569.00) vs 7800x3d ($449) + dd5 6400 ($129,99)
$1228 vs $578.99.... so in short 13900k is trash value since it loses in value even if you get free ram
The DDR5 is 7200Mhz overclocked too to 8200Mhz and only cost $230 you can find it here: amzn.to/3SVQbmU and it was used for the 7800X3D as well.
@@gamedaytoday1 if we go by testing, zen 4 doesn't handle over 6000 well, so getting 6400 is good result, but there's no need to go for that if you don't want to future proof for zen 5 or 6
about intel performance i saw build zoids 2 hour rant about how atrocious 13 gen memory controller is, going over 7000 is hard and can randomly crash, and not boot after that, also doesn't provide that much compared to older ram generations tuning, plus i think he had 13900k having problem going over 6400mhz
i think build zoid also complimented amd going consistently to 6000mhz
and if i remember well, then 4th timing provided best performance uplift, 7600 with over 100 on 4th timing was worse than 6000 with like 72 or 64 on 4th timing, which would suggest tightening timings gives best performance uplift, going over 6400mhz not as much
also don't know if going all this way of tuning and potential crashes is that valuable to go from 130 to 136 fps in most cases
@@gamedaytoday1you need a trophy to answer those dumb comments. 😂
Commenting to hopefully create a bit of traction.
Tack :)
This guy is talking about 8200 as if its normal, while 90% of the people running a 13900k cant even get close to 8000. Even mentioned 8600-8800 as if its attainable with some basic luck.
I mean sure, if you get a 700$+ dual dimm motherboard, relatively expensive ram kit that needs to be actively cooled, and get one of those 1 in 10 000 silicon lottery winners you can probably hit those speeds. Meanwhile, most of the overclockers out there like Buildzoid are losing their minds over Intels IMC as its so freaking unstable once you go beyond 8000, even on dual dimm boards.
Not to mention hes comparing this overclocked and overpriced 1200$+ motherboard\CPU setup to a 7800X3D running at some extremely basic -10 CO on a relatively cheap B650 board without an external clock generator, which basically means no overclocking at all. How can you talk about "Max Benchmark" results when you're treating the hardware so differently?
Just to give you guys an idea of how bad it is, I've seen people pushing 100-110 fps average consistently (me included) while doing the Orison hab -> spaceport run, while this guy has his 7800X3D hitting 95 fps average. 95 fps is more in the average \ stock region when it comes to the 7800X3D's performance.
To say that this is biased would be an understatement.
Why are you taking everything out of context? 8200 is normal for APEX. Its is the minimum you can expect. You read that Buildzoid could not go beyond 8000Mhz on twitter with no further context and assume it is like that for everyone. Every overclocker posting their results on Overclock.net a community of overclocker could achieve 8200Mhz or more. Why do you care if one guy on the internet could not get above 8000 is some kind of universal truth, just because he has more followers? Lol
On your second note, I had to choose if I was going to spend premium on a AMD board or Intel board, if money grew on trees then I would have gotten both. Since your complaining about my budget it seems like you got it so why don't you get the hardware and test it for yourself and share the results?
On your third point I can tell that you have not actually captured the data of the Orison hab -> spaceport run. Just looking at what frames your getting on your screen at call it 100-110 FPS average casue these are the frames you see the most. I use CapFrameX so I don't have to rely on guessing the Average. Share your 5 CapFrameX results of the same run. Also Its not from the Hab its from the shuttle only, so watch the run guide in slow motion if its to quick for you.
Overall you come across like you just want to justify your 7800X3D purchase, its called confirmation bias which is ok. Hoof its ok, no need to catch feeling over hardware, I have both and would recommend the 7800X3D in most builds, but if your goal is to have the best you should know that 13900K tuned has more to give, than the results I could get.
Anyone who says its not fair or biased don't like the results because they have the hardware which did not get the highest performance. And to fell better they say the results are biased or wrong, classic case of confirmation biased, like clockworks. Even in the other way around for intel users when I showed the 5800X3D having higher 5%. Next you are going to call me a intel fan boy when I have 2 AMD CPUs?
I'll do more on when or if I have the budget, what will you do? More than complain about me sharing my results?
@@gamedaytoday1 I have done my fair share of CapFrameX runs as well, and so have many other people in my circle. Dont think you are the only one running numbers on SC. I would link some of them here, but youtube eats up any comment that has a link in it. And its not about me dealing with some confirmation bias. I can buy whatever I want if thats what you're wondering about. Its more about giving people comparable benchmarks with settings that most people can use. Right now your 13900k is running settings that most people cant use or even get close to, as most people are not running expensive dual dimm boards. The fact that you are even using Overclock net as an argument just shows how far into the rabbit hole you are in terms of what you consider to be normal.
And no, Buildzoid wouldnt be my only example, just the loudest one that is easily found by others. Sure, 8200 might be normal on Apex, but its definitely not the norm for every 13900k out there. 13900KS does have a better chance at getting a good IMC, but that is another big step up in cost again. Also, at no point in this video do you mention that an Apex is required to run these settings. Although you have done so in a previous video, never assume that people watch all of your videos.
I have seen people run 6600 2200 Fclk at below 1.3 VSOC as well, yet you claim that 6400 at 1.3vsoc is somehow winning the silicon lottery for AMD. Sure, not every CPU can run 6400, but there are far more 6400 CPUs out there than there are 8200 13900K's.
My point is that if you want to make comparisons, you need to use comparable settings instead of having one heavily tuned and expensive system that most people cant replicate, and one system that has a mild CO and slightly tuned memory. This entire video puts most of the focus on whats attainable with the Intel system while glossing over what you can do with AMD. And that makes for a bad comparison.
Dont get me wrong, I love comparisons like this and I can respect the work that goes into it, but man, you gotta make sure that the comparisons are at least fair. I've used both Intel, AMD, and Nvidia over the years and I got no preference or bias towards any of them and I recommend all of them on an almost daily basis depending on what people need or want, but videos like these really hurts to watch as the bias is clear as day for any knowledgeable person out there. And yes, I've seen all the comments you've deleted about it.
@@Hoofie Now you sound less biased, and more reasonable. If you have the CapframeX results, why don't you post them at TwoPoundFortTwo discord and the links you want to share you can find me there.
Thanks for elaborating your points, agreed I could have gone more in-depth that an additional 5% performance with the AMD system could be had if I had a better Board with a external clock generator. A board like the Gigabyte 670x AORUS TACHYON is on the wish list.
@@gamedaytoday1 No worries my dude, I just wanted to point out that theres an imbalance between the 2 systems in your benchmarks, and that one setup is considerably cheaper and easier to run.
I really do like seeing numbers from heavily tuned systems like that, but it also needs some context and perhaps a quick explanation on how and what you need to do to make it work, especially when there are certain requirements that needs to be met. Doesnt have to be a 10 minute Ted talk, but most people are pretty clueless when it comes to all this, and will most likely take your results as "Intel better than AMD" without knowing what each setup requires to make it work.
Your previous videos were pretty good as you explained it fairly well, just make sure you bring that information forward into your new videos as well when you are testing tuned setups. Perhaps add some more reasonable setups as well to show the scaling with settings most people can run like +/- 7200 Intel and 6000 AMD, just like you did in some of your previous videos. Obviously requires a bit more work, but that type of content is great for both nerds and novices alike, and could be great for any potential purchasing decision they're about to make.
Perhaps a "Get the most out of your money" type of video could be interesting as well, where you go over various tweaks you can do to make your 13900k\7800X3D rig perform better? I know how much work it is to properly tune your system, but judging by the comments there seems to be some interest in it.
That being said, the 13900k does pack a punch when its in the hands of someone capable of pushing it to the max, so thats nice to see.
@@gamedaytoday1 Also, dont feel pressured to buy a more expensive motherboard just for the Eclk. Messing around with the Eclk is such a niche thing to do, and like you said, its probably better to just mention that it exists and that you could see some extra frames if you got a board with it. Most people will just figure out the CO limit and stick to that.
This is a bogus benchmarking.
Person is bias for the arrangement is a showing of it.
Game list the reoltuions CPU very easy and yet was not done for the showing is why bias person didn't want to show
why even benchmark this game... too many server side variables an unoptimized.
The only thing unoptimised is your PC
@@gamedaytoday1 holy shit what a fanboy
Oh man, so much wrong with this Bench I cant even.
Basically stock settings on the 7800X3D on a basic bisch B650 without ECG, my 7800X3D easily pushes 30-70 more frames than his.
Intel board is 900+ boards with a selected golden sample IMC, while talks like its every monday that his easily happens while every major and known HOCer want to snap their necks over the shit IMC of the 13th adn 12th Gen where the chips STRUGGLE like crazy to even do 800 stable with a single 16GB DIMM.
Sorry but if you think this isnt a biased bench, you probably read too much userbenchmark headlines.
Show results if you think a 100 to 105 BLCK overclock will give you 30-70 more FPS, it sounds like this OC needs to happen in a different universe where physics does not apply.
Also I lost the silicone lottery, got the worst possible 13900KF, as I said and showed in my video. If I could achieve 8200Mhz with the worst possible IMC then I guess I know what I am doing been doing this since 2007. DDR5 is hard to tune, I understand why some might struggle if they don't know what they are doing, might do a guide so Bulldozer could get his ram stable above 8000.
@@gamedaytoday1 Would appreciate a guide, about to do a 13900k build and dreading all the new stuff since the last time i used intel.
+70 fps in star citizen??? You may have the NASA super computer at home. Congratulations man!
I bought a 7800x3d, along with some relatively fast ddr5 ram (6400mhz cl32) but when i enable DOCP in the bios i cant boot afterward, so i have to either clear cmos or reflash bios, so im stuck running at 4800mhz :/ do you know a fix?
Yes, it is fixable you need to put in manually SOC voltages to 1.3 and/or lower the frequency to 6200 or 6000mhz
@@gamedaytoday1 thats SOC voltages for the CPU?
@@ToddyS yes