Project X vs. Dynamic Gold vs. Nippon Modus | Iron Shafts
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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txg.ca - One of the most common questions when it comes to choosing a new iron set: what's the difference between all these different shafts? We tested 3 different popular models and collected data on the GC Quad launch monitor to show you how they stack up against each other, and what type of player should consider choosing each option.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
Honestly I’m addicted to this channel because I talk about this stuff with my golf team because we’re all equipment heads we talk about it all the time and this channel is one of a kind it’s what I’ve been searching for for years and I cant stop watching it
Also do u know when the vid about wedge shafts and why people play softer in them as well as playing an actual wedge as your pitching wedge will come out because I do both of those and would love to hear your take on it
I think what would also be a great addition is testing a specific Iron and all the shaft options. Example: Ping i210 irons can have 9 different shaft options and how do each of those shaft options function within the i210.
I love the Nippon. It helps me keep my trajectory towards the middle point of the spectrum.
Definitely need to test different shafts for sure. Went to a TM demo day with the intention of getting the P790’s with KBS shafts. Got to test the DG, KBS and Nippon shafts and even though the numbers were not that different for me the feel of the Modus shaft was sooo much better than the others - best of all TaylorMade didn’t charge extra for the non stock shaft. Moral of the story is explore your options. I was very surprised, testing them back to back, how noticeable the feel difference was with each even though they produced such similar numbers.
Btw One additional comment I would like to add on is the fact that I’ve always been impressed with your videos but I was even more impressed when I got fitted over the weekend and even the professional fitter at Club Champion and PGA Tour Superstore in The Woodlands, TX talked highly about you. That tells a lot. 👍
I switched from DG back to project x recently with a new set... both perform well but my dispersion is greatly tightened with project x... it just loads and unloads better for my swing dynamics apparently. Numbers are great but like Ian always says, the shaft is a timing device and at the end of the day, that has the most impact on how a player performs with a given shaft. Good stuff Gents!
Such a great video on something that gets overlooked by a lot of golfers and even reviewers.
Thanks for taking these RUclips videos to the next level!
Best in class
Best on RUclips
This is fast becoming my favourite golf channel. Well presented, easy to understand honest information. Keep it up please.
Love the fact this popped up on my feed again. Almost like RUclips knew I was going for an iron fitting! So dunning watch Matty look like a bunny in the headlights on camera! How far you've both come!!!
Played the Project X 5.5 before switching to Modus 105 in regular. Certainly a shaft I would highly recommend if you like the mid-high flight. Slightly lighter than the PX
The recommendation for slow swingers that change their swing plane is very interesting. They perhaps receive a benefit from heavier shafts. Great to know. Man your knowledge is gorgeous
Can't wait for these next vids. I recently started playing again after 10 yrs and went from MP 60s in DG 300s to JPX 900 Forged in NS Pro 105s. Really like them and interested in seeing all the different #s and feel that goes into fitting the different shafts. I looked at the TPT driver shafts you guys liked so much in your video with Lindsay Knowlton. Looks awesome, but it's too expensive to even swing. ;-) I think it was you guys who said the "average" male golfer would benefit more from looking at the equipment used on the LPGA than the PGA since swing speeds are more similar. That's certainly true for me.
Great stuff. Can't wait to see more. I was fit for irons a couple of years back and was fit into dg s300 amt, I like the idea behind them but I felt I could feel the weight change (more so on the range). I purchased a used set of modus 3 105 off a forum website and installed them myself and found the lighter shaft felt better and could control my flight a little better and a noticeable drop in spin, found I was over spinning the amt's especially into the wind just ballooning like you mentioned. Can't wait to see next video, keep up the quality guys.
Truthfully for me shaft selection gets a bit overwhelming, which probably why the relationship with experienced fitters becomes important trust factor. Can you introduce us to some your other fitters perhaps in some of future videos be nice to hear the interaction master fitter and apprentice. I really appreciate your content.
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The absolute best and most informative golf equipment videos I've ever seen...
Keep it up fellas
GOD BLESS Y'all
Playing Modus 120s at the minute. Incredible. Zero regrets.
Just ordered p790s with modus 120 extra stuff - won’t ship until march!
@@alexanderlawson3898 yeah it's mad at the minute isn't it. That head and shaft combo fire be 🔥 though and worth the wait. Have thought about p799s myself
@@alexanderlawson3898 i got fit over a month ago for the same setup and mine will ship in february
@@alexanderlawson3898 how r u liking the 120X?
@@dylangriffin5400 how r u liking the 120X?
The point you bring at 10:36 is literally me. I love the heavy feel, and struggle with "over the top"/ "out to in" swing... like most amateurs! Great to know my TTDG S300 is a good suit!
Same shaft I have for my irons. :) Love them a lot.
Great video guys. Always interesting learning about the technical side of shafts.
Ian & Matt, I've been following your videos. They're fantastic and very informative. Keep up the good work guys. Too bad I'm on the other side of the planet otherwise I'd drop by to get fitted.
This one has my interest very high, a video on Project X and Project X LZ would be interesting.Cool video guys.
This was a very informative video. I was surprised that the DG was the highest spinner. I play S300’s and spin the crud out of them. I assumed I needed an X100, when the issue could just be the shaft profile. The info about shaft weight and golf swings was a lightbulb moment, too. I always liked the feel of heavy shafts, and I certainly hit them better. Now I know why.
when will you be doing a comparison of the modus 105 and the modus 120. Besides weight why would one choose the 105 vs 120. Hope to see a video comparison soon. thanks
john a good luck unless your name is Matty “pelvic thrusting iron Byron” Blois and you swing your 7i 100mph. I need a running start to whip my 7i over 90mph
Very educational, as usual. I've got to get out of my stock DG R300 shafts! I'm a solid single-digit player with my 10 year old Mizuno MP-60s, but I feel like I'm leaving a lot of performance behind.
No you haven't.
Lol, I have identical clubs, shafts,and problem! I can get 10yds extra with every club with my Ping 30s, but the Mp60s have the control and feel. Thought about even getting heads restarted, but what might I lose?
I hit MP57s R300 5 iron 200 yds, very slow loader. If you hit it where you want and can repeat, you have the correct shaft. Irons are about accuracy and dispersion, not distance. I have been down the rabbit hole and always end back where I started. Mind you, when I started, I tried 20 different sets and knew immediately when I found my specs
Excellent guys. Just swapped out of DG tour S400 into project x LZ6.0. Reduced the spin and gained an amazing flight, much more penetrating. Great content. From a rainy cold Uk.
Would love for you guys to get back in to these type of shaft comparisons again!
Hi again I went to a mizuno fitting day recently & I was advised to go for the Project xLZ I must admit it the shaft was number 4 in the advice list but the numbers were far better with more feel.
Just tested and bought the ap3 with the 120 g project x lz 6.0 shafts were awesome for me. I could not believe the difference between shafts I tried. In the end this was the best set up for me. Great videos guys !
Whats your swing speed?
@@ffkirch if I remember correctly its anywhere from 115 to 120. Still taking lessons so it changes from time to time. Lol
@@steverager5602 115-120...irons or driver?
@@Unplugged704 120 in the irons.
It's to bad you guys are not close to Montreal because their are literally no golf fitters with the experience and especially the know how to fit someone properly to a shaft or irons - BEST CHANNEL TO LEARN FROM - VERY HONEST REVIEWS 2 THUMPS UPS GUYS KEEP IT UP I just subscribed been watching your Channel for a few weeks now simply great work
Not close to Montreal? Just a few hours west on the 401 Jay! 😂😂😂
TXG Tour Experience Golf Just a long putt compared to Los Angeles, lol.
Hmm. I'm in Colorado thinking, Toronto's lovely this time of year, now if only I could get the wife on board... Montreal's not far in the grand scheme of thing pending how committed you are to your club fitting. I did see a post of a gentleman who travelled over 4000 miles to visit Ian. #dedication. I raise my glass you sir, and wish I lived in Canada.
I love the Miura Irons but haven't got a clue how they will perform in my hands....
Another reason to test with Ian👍🏻
Brilliant as usual. It’s so good to send your vids to my mates and say “I told you” 😂
Too many play the wrong shafts and don’t understand the influence of spin and flight. Cheers
Awesome vid. Looking forward to the 105-110 gram range shaft comparison.
I was custom fitted last spring at the pga superstore for Mizuno JPX 900 Forged irons with Nippon Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff flex. Swing speed on the test 6 iron averaged 84 mph. You made a comment on one of your previous vids that your 6 iron to driver swing speed difference should be about 20 mph, which is spot on, my driver swing speed is about 104 mph.
The Nippon shaft is awesome, love the light weight, feel and the flight I get with these.
Recently custom ordered Vokey SM7 wedges. I wanted the Nippon Wedge Flex 105’s but titleist didn’t offer it, so I got them in the same Tour 105 Shafts.
Great comparison video.
I did try the Modus 105 shaft - and i like it very much! - im about to spend $$$$ on a new set of iron P770 & P790's combo and i would like to get the best of the best for sure!!!
thanks for the info
I missed their comment on the 20mph swing speed difference but cool insight. means I have more to gain from my swing. 105 driver speed 91 6 iron
I wish we had a golf club fitter like you! You have allot of products that set the customer up with! Lubbock doesn’t have a big selection of shafts and club heads!
You guys are producing some of the best RUclips golf videos out there. Keep up the great work.
Best golf channel on RUclips. Thanks guys. Always enjoying your videos.
You guys are excellent. They should bring you guys on the golf channel as guests to talk about these topics.
Two of the best looking guys on the internet.
Great video...would have been fantastic if you could have thrown in a KBS offering, as that would have pretty much covered the spectrum on tour.
You should do a test on spine aligning, puring, or no alignment on a shaft a see how it effects performance.
Interesting discussion around shafts. Been playing the PX5.5 for yours and now changed to NS Modus 105. Wanted a lighter shaft which launches the ball higher. Performs really well and I am very pleased with the feel. Slight upcharge with the AP3 irons and SM7 wedges
I play the modus 120 stiff, best feeling shaft I have ever tested and used. Performance is good for me as well. I am above average fit but I try to have a smooth swing and they just suit me sooo well, I can put umph into it, slow it down and never feel I lose control over it
Wow!! very nice ! i will have to try the 120 & 105 as well --thank you much!!
What is your driver SS?
Did you try the modus 130 tour shaft when choosing ? How’s your modus performing a year later. Ta
Once again and as always great video.
Would love to see a vid Steelfiber i95 range against this style of shafts.
You guys are the best! I agree on steep swings the Project X seems a little boardy.
just the right time to see this video, have been considering to change to project X 5.5 for a while,
Even better than the first time ...
Even more important than the first time as well!
Great video! I play X100s, and have definitely seen the high spin numbers. I had assumed that this is solely due to an excessively steep angle of attack (something I'm working to improve), but now I see that the shaft is playing a part in the higher spin as well. I had tried Project X before, but it felt a bit dead. Will have to test Nippon Modus shafts to see how they feel, and to compare numbers.
As an aside, it was great to see Ian in "Discovering Perfection: The Miura Story" video on Miura Golf channel.
Just try to push the ball 10-20 degrees and you will shallow out
Thanks for a great video gents! Really enjoying the content. Don’t think there are many channels on RUclips that are as informative on the fitting process as you guys are. The whole fitting process is very intriguing to me and I geek out on this stuff!
I have been a DG S300 for so long mostly out of habit and familiarity. I have gotten on with them pretty decently over the years. I have just recently expanded my horizons in trying out different shafts and this video has definitely help give me a better understanding as the Modus 120S is one that has peaked my interest and I am giving them a try in the Z765s. I am also looking forward to a KBS shaft video as I have the KBS tours in my current set and I’m not too keen on them, but the C-Taper is one that peaks my interest. So it will be great to see some numbers on the KBS shaft range and hear your feedback and details about the respective shaft profiles.
I recently watched one of your videos where you changed the head weight, grip weight using the same weight shaft to see what happened. Swing weight went up and down, but the swing SPEED remained pretty much the same. What I would love to see would be for you to do a test using different weight shafts in the same driver head and see what you get for swing speed from say 50 to 75 grams shafts. Most all OEM's say a lighter shaft will get you more distance from a faster swing speed. My testing has NOT shown that to be true, but I'd like to see you do a good test using your high dollar tools to measure swing speed, ball speed and distance at the shaft weight goes up and down. Would you please do this type of test and post the video? Thank you for another great video.
Having tried the S300 (Mizuno MP-32), the Modus 120X and the PX 6.5 (Rbladez Tour), I have to say Modus are the lightest, most stable of the 3 for me, good height but not too high, spin is around 1,000RPM per club so I am delighted with them. The S300 was a bit too whippy (115 driver SS). The PX has a solid feel but I can't feel the head at the top of the swing the same way I do with the Modus. The S300 was the worst for me, but having tried the X100 during a fitting I have to say I didn't like it at all. Felt sturdy.
Quality content as always. You might want to talk about difference between getting wedge dedicated shafts (and talk about why they have 5-10 grams difference with the iron set) or use the iron set shafts on the wedges too.
Still looking forward to an updated irons shaft test. Especially interested in Modus 120, PX LZ, KBS Tour & Taper, Dynamic Gold 120, Ect possibly in a swing speed on the S/6.0 range. Thanks for considering.
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I feel like your videos are giving insight to the "trade secrets" of club fitting. It's fun to watch and learn so much every video.
Matt your consistency hitting on the monitor is fun to watch. Swing speed doesn't matter to me. Your flight and dispersion is like a challenge for me to get better. Thanks.
My question is when are we gonna see Ian step out from behind the camera..? 👀😂🏌🏼♂️
Was this Modus 120X or 120TX?
Just going through all your videos, can't get enough, great job guys!
Another high educational/high quality video. Just keep them coming !!!
Hey Guys, I am also kind of on the other side of the plant😂. But I will come over for a fitting. I truly believe that it will be worth!!!
Just booked my fitting with you guys, can't wait to get some more spin out of my irons
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Would love to hear the results of your fitting. I have a faster tempo swing and think I'd have a much better fit with heavier shafts. May go through a fitting at Club Champion this week.... Can't wait to hear your story.
I used to love my Rifles in 6.0 or 5.5, and still have rifle spinner wedge shafts. But got fitted last year to Project x LZ 6.5 and love them.
Superb vlog guys! Keep these head to heads going!
What swing would benefit from the modus 130?
Outstanding videos guys. Quickly my favorite RUclips channel.
Modus 130 produces more launch and spin (generally) than the 120. It is on the higher end in terms of weight (129g in X, 124g in stiff). So someone looking for a stable shaft but a bit more height to their ball flight would likely benefit from the 130.
Thanks for watching!!
Loving the videos. Any way you guys can do a high Swing Speed video? Shafts that are tough to even demo like the PX 7.0 vs X7 vs C Taper 130x? Us longer guys have a rough time even finding a place to demo these let alone all three at the same spot
Will try to add that one to the list!
I hit Dynamic Gold R300 and hit a 5 iron 200 ish 26 degree loft Mizuno mp57. I load so slowly I have always found I need to strengthen my grip to hit X100 which is what fitters recommend. I find I can hit fades and draws just fine with the R300 and don’t hit ballon’s i.e. it still hits a nice mid flight for my speed!
Fun comparison and glad lower swing speeds and skill levels will be added in the future. Just watched an interesting Utube video comparing 2018 ProV1 vs 1998 Titleist pro ball. Optimal ball choices for lower swing speeds is another area I struggle with. Will book soon to come in when my schedule opens up. . thanks Matt and "Galvin Green" aka Ian Fraser.
What are the main differences between the Modus 120 and PX 6.5 ? ( Launch, Spin and Dispersion). Keep up the great content!
Also could u do a comparison with the new hi toe wedge and and the pm grind and what play would benefit the most from them and also what are the pros and cons of them compared to a traditional wedge
The modus 120's are also much better quality than DG. I had my Modus 120's SST pured and almost all the irons were close as far as final logo position.....only 2 of them were a little different logo when pured.....I was surprised steel shafts were that consistent even before the puring.
I know I’m years late, but I got fit into t100’s with X100’s and I struggle keeping spin down. Got out on the course and into the wind, they were so hard to keep down. Gotta love subpar fitters in Ohio.
Another great video! Would love to see matty try that x100 vs. x7 and see the spin/launch profile between the two!
Would love to see you guys do a test on the TT AMT Series White/Black/Red.
What about the KBS Shafts like the C-Taper and C-Taper Lite? Also, Stepped vs non stepped, does that stuff make big differences?
I've hit all of these and even though numbers are similar, the Nippon's feel so good. Very smooth with great dispersion. Was never a fan of PX or DG.
120 or 105 modus?
Was sad not seeing the C-Taper/$-Taper in the mix.
Not much kbs at txg 😉
It would be cool to know the fulcrum and swingweights when different shafts are used
Lovin' the channel guys! Fantastic stuff. Keep up the good work! Thanks
Hey guys. Would you consider bringing in someone with say a 5 handicap and showing why they fit a certain profile. Then bring a 15 handicapper in and doing the same to show why certain shafts fit different styles?
Will be working on that type of thing for sure Aaron!
Very interesting video guys, keep up the good work.
Ian- I think it would be greatly beneficial to your followers if you presented attack angle and resultant path changes between the shafts. Looking at just the big 3: spin, launch and carry can be misleading in producing results that don’t always translate to the course. Great vids and info. Hope to see you soon! Tyler
True we didn't talk enough the about the swing data in this one. Attack angle was about 4-5º down and path about 3-4º from the inside, it stayed really consistent with all the shafts. We might see swing dynamics change more when testing more drastically different shafts i.e. someone playing a regular flex that actually needs an X, fast transition player using too soft a profile, etc.
A great video with a lot of good numbers the only thing was that they went off to quickly.
Pure gold. God, I love videos like this...👍💯
And another great video guys. Really interesting.
Ian, Matt, thanks again for another great video. You guys are the best! I see a lot on the TPT shaft. What do you think about it?
TPT shafts are very, very good. You'll see them in a couple of our fitting videos. I don't think we've heard anything but great feedback from testers and it's producing great results in customer fittings.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the KBS C-Taper 130x
Thanks
great stuff as always can you do a comparison between counter balanced and regular balanced shafts?
Another great video as always 👍
Interesting as to someone coming over the top a heavier shaft would help. I have a tendency to come over the top more than I would like.
KBS Tour C-taper and C-taper lite, please and thank you :))
I just got fitted to a set of Callaway Mavrik standard irons with Nippon Modus 120 stiff, +1/2" over. I returned the clubs after a short time because I didn't like the strong loft, large offset and felt they were slightly too short. Got refit to Mizuno JPX919 Hot Metal but fitter changed shaft to DG105 R300 and +1" over. How could the DG105 R300 be the replacement for the Nippon Modus 120's??? Scratching my head. Would love to hear your take on this. You guys are awesome!
I know Ian really like the Modus 120. I'm curious why we haven't seen the 125 get hit in any video?
I have been watching your channel and learning a lot. I wish I could have come to you to get my new clubs fitted. My wife surprised me with a complete bag fitting and when I received my clubs all of the taylormade irons came with no markings on the shafts, I was fitted for Dynamic Gold 105 stiff shafts and have no idea what I got. The golf shop told me not to worry, the shafts ordered are the ones I received. Should I worry, does Dynamic Gold send out shafts unmarked? Wish I could have headed to Canada to see you guys. Thanks from your neighbor from Minnesota.
Would be pretty strange for them to tell you they're DG105 stiff if they aren't. Did they explain why there were no labels?
they did not, just said not to worry, that what I ordered are the shafts installed. Thank you so much for your response, I really enjoy your videos.
In addition to swing speed, Nippon literature says the weight of the shaft should match the weight of the golfer, heavier guys use heavier shafts and vice versa.
Great vids. Very sorry I didn't come about these soon...very detailed and informative. One question. Of course hitting them is the best way to approach this, but all else equal, for players with quicker transitions, have you found that accuracy benefits most from butt stiff, tip stiff or stiff in the middle iron shafts?
120’s play 115g i think which is nice. My AMT s300 may be playing a tad light
Another great video guys. I play PX 5.5's in Mizuno MP 60's. Definitely going to changes irons this year and thinking about MP18 SC, is the PX 5.5 still a good choice ?
Simon Hobbs Hi Simon, I’m a big fan of the PX 5.5. At 115g it really is a comfortable weight for a lot of golfers!!
That's good to hear, any thoughts on suitable replacement for MP60's, happy to consider something with more help particularly in the longer irons.
When you guys fit shafts, how similar are woods to irons? If X100 perfectly fits the player, is it certain they should also be using a heavy 75-80g X-Flex driver shaft? Or do you have fits where the player ends up with, say, X100 shafts but also a S-Flex, not-too-heavy driver shaft?
If there's variance between the way they swing the driver vs. the irons, then absolutely possible. They may also have a different shot pattern with the driver that benefits from a different type of shaft than is working in the irons.
Wouldn't you agree that how OEM what a particular flight with their clubs is why they decide to put certain shafts in their builds?
There would be an aspect of that for sure, but that wouldn't necessarily give the best fit for every golfer.
Guys - another great and informative video indeed! Question- I have 7 iron swing speed at 80-82mph and total of 150-155m. My current shafts are Project X95 regular and spin is around 5000rpm. I feel that this is low? I have tested the KBS shafts taper 105g and they felt awesome. How do they compare with my shafts in general, thank you
Love the video and your other videos. EXCELLENT WORK! So if I hear you correctly, I tend to divert away from plane and come over the top occasionally and I am currently fitted for a project X6.0 so are you saying perhaps I would benefit from an S 300 DG shaft due to it being a heavier shaft from the project x?
Great video again!
Have you tried project x 7.0’s, Matt? Did they suit your swing well?
I have, and yes they seemed to work nicely for me!
great video guys! sorry to ask, is that a tracman? if not which one is it?
guys where does the 125 modus sit in terms of profile and launch/spin characteristics ?
I just tried The Kbs online fitting Was a bit suprised i Was fitted with kbs tour v in x, driver speed 98 to 102. Heard x is for >105
I bought a mixed set of Mizuno MP 20s (MB, MMC, HMB) with Modus 120. I didn't like the HMBs so sold them and bought 4,5,6 second hand MMCs with project x 6.0. This feels ok so I guess it is? Aren't the Modus 120s more similar to the Project X 6.0? Perhaps not from the above? I had 6.5s in my previous set and thought they were perhaps too stiff. Apologies fo the long story!