KBS Tour VS Project X VS Dynamic Gold | Iron Shafts
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txg.ca - Testing the KBS Tour C-Taper 130, Project X 7.0, Dynamic Gold X100 and Dynamic Gold X7 to see the differences in feel, timing, ball flight, spin rate, launch angle and more!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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Am I the only one to notice that if you search anything golf on RUclips, TXG has a video on it. Well done!
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Funny you say, I’ve just Googled kbs tour vs dynamic gold. Low and behold
Just thought the same thing. TXG is the best.
The GOAT of golf equipment reviews.
@@danielcouser6452 Me too!
I love that you redid this test with ctaper included
Thank you for testing those shafts. Those shafts are the ones I'll be testing for my new Mizuno JPX Hot Metal Pro irons. Looking forward to seeing the out come.
I was recently fit into Project X 6.5’s with 919 Forged irons and I’ve never seen a more consistent ball flight but more importantly I’ve never had such tight distance dispersion, the difference it’s made knowing exactly how far a ball will likely go has been huge
And yet again another super informative video (why should we be surprised). It’s crazy the difference a shaft type of the same set up can make. Matt swinging brilliant as always. Well done again guys.
Another great master class from Professor Ian and helping us understand the subtle and sometimes not so subtle differences between shafts. Great form from "Iron" Matt. There's a reason you are one of the best channels out there.
Much thanks boys. I needed to see those numbers and hear some hands on feed back. Looking for new shafts. Currently playing kbs tour x 130 and have for past 3 years. Just got the new staff model blade set from Wilson and having trouble getting timing right at impact. Ball flight seems to be a little push( like you had with the x100) so information you gave helped with some questions I had. Thanks again
Just got fit this weekend. Tried tons of shafts. Settled on KBS tour X. Amazing how smooth loading and delivery felt. Can't say enough about getting a proper fit. Added 15 yards of carry. Found out my 7i swing avg is 91mph. #Questtobreak80
I always stroll through the comment section on your videos to see the ungrateful people complain about "why didn't you try 'x' in the comparison", and I'm never disappointed. Great video as usual gentlemen, always APPRECIATIVE of your content!
This is great to watch,I’ve has S300s in my mizuno’s for years,and I fade with that shaft..just bought new mp20’s and got fitted into x100s..my swing isn’t as fast as Matty boys,so I can see why the x100 fits me..thanks guys
At this point I’m convinced you could get a stick from a tree outside, tape a butter knife to it, and Matt would still paint flags. Get the tour card already Matt!!
That's the magic of editing. Very good swing, but far from Tour level.
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A wonder display of shaft performance. In the end, given how close they all were to one another...the "feel" of the shaft to the player, from my perspective should be the way to go. Thus, given what Matty said in relation to how he felt about weight, balance, starting the ball inline and squaring the club at impact....the KBS C-Taper is the one to go with.
I've had these shafts in my mind lately. Thanks for the vid
I have a very similar 6iron swing speed as Matt but with a much quicker tempo. When I did my trackman iron fitting I had very similar issues with the x100 and just didn't like the feel of the c taper. I eneded up putting the Project X 7.0s in and have been in love with them ever since! I've never had the opportunity to try the x7s but def would love to test them head to head vs my 7.0s next time I go to do an iron fitting! Keep up the great content guys! Love your videos!
Excellent! Thank you, all of these have similar E.I. profiles, X100DG with a softest tip section.
to be x100s feel lighter in the handle and heavier stiffer towards to clubhead of the shaft, px to me feel very stiff and heavier in the handle and less of a heavier feeling towards the clubhead
Excellent video. Have tried all of these shafts and while I initially thought dynamic gold x100 and project x 6.5 were the best for me, the first time I felt the kbs tour c-taper 130x, I instantly fell in love. Even with a 2018 model head compared to a 2021 model head on the other shafts, the 2018 with the kbs performed the best. They were by far the superior option for me at least. Great feel, feedback, control, dispersion and overall performance on the kbs tour c-taper 130x. 👍🏽
Love to see you swinging that TM P-760 Matty!! Waiting for mine to arrive so I can send them to Ian & the boys for modification ;)
Awesome video guys! Made a subscriber! Love seeing another Lefty too! Cheers fellas!
One of my favorite swings to watch, so slow, powerful and yet controlled.
well tested guys! tones of shaft options nowadays and its all about feel and comfort :)
Definitely justified get fit properly cause I must be too old to understand this, I guess that is what is encouraging about TXG reviews and everything said about them! 👍
At 49, I was just fit for the X7. Every shaft Matt used here was part of my fitting. The X7 really tightened my strike pattern down to a dime and ball dispersion would fit on a blanket. The feel of how it worked with my swing was something I never felt before. Truth, the reality of this fitting was a painful lesson as I downplayed what a proper iron fitting can reveal. Compared to my current iron, I was in every sense of the word NEW after 15 years of ignorance, frustration and struggle playing shafts that felt like 2x4's and went everywhere and killed my distance. KBS Tour X - 130G Stepped Twice
Can we get you added to the Golf Channel? Your own TXG show would be a dominate segment. TGC is old and tired and they need you guys as I never watch anymore cuz I am always on YT to see what you two are up to!
That is hilllllarrrrious!! I m 51 and I went from Project X7 to Tour V and now to a C-Taper...and I never watch the Golf Channel anymore as I am always on RUclips and gravitate toward these vids! :)
Really love the testing and seeing KBS on the channel now. A welcome addition to the mix. The $-Taper was such a good fit for me. Dynamic Gold just didn't feel good I've just never been much a fan of their shafts for my game.. Project X was great and right there on feel and distance but $-Taper was the clear winner when it came to dispersion.
Ross Lillebo what was your ss with the 6/7 iron with the $taper. And did you get the stiff or x flex?
Because of watching you guys I finally got fit. See ya later DG 105 and hello project 6.5 rifle.
The flight on the C Taper is incredible.
I've tested various iron shafts in projext x, dynamic gold and they feel harsh and heavy. I always come back to the kbs range currently using tour 105 range in wilson staff c300 forged and they are as accurate combo as i have ever played. Mid weight with great feel and feedback but could easily play kbs c taper light.
Thanks for all the hard work you put into these videos. After watching this, and other videos, it would be really cool to see a video on "sweet spots and grooves." I've been playing golf for a long time and have made the assumption that I know where the sweet spot is on my clubs and have no idea about the role grooves play when I hit high or low....there's no marking on irons to indicate where the sweet spot is and on which grooves it lies...
I think Matt could swing a hockey stick and still hit darts at the flag!
Love these videos guys!
I tested those 3 Shafts in Stiff and for me the ProjectX was the best one, however the Nippon 105Tour was the best out of all :) The feeling of the KBS was horrible for me, the DG was pretty good.... However I love the Project X Rifle as well! Awesome Shaft! That shows again that fitting is very important because the feeling of the shafts is incredibly different.
That's interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing.
As another YT channel would say - "There's nothing in it." Especially on the course. Enjoy both channels.
I played the px for quite a few years and have switched to dg ti also for a few years now. I found the long irons easier to play with the dg ti.
Sort of icing on the cake, but why not try em!? Thanks guys.
In my experience, some shafts help promote a certain flight and/or eliminate a certain flight. For example, I have stuck with dynamic gold because (for me) it promotes a reliable slight draw similar to Matty's for my stock shot and also gives me the confidence to hit a fade by exaggerating without losing it to the fade side. So my feels are honed and reliable which has lead to good average proximity regardless of pin location. I've also managed to match my driver shaft to this same feel. Unfortunately my 3 wood and 3 hybrid are a little too draw biased so I'm currently searching for options that are more aligned with this approach. Feeling pretty good at a 2 handicap averaging over 30 putts per round (now putting is another, unfortunately sad, story).
Hi. I went for a fitting before with shafts. They told me that C-Taper is a more stiffer shaft than others. I was DG X100 then I went for the Project X 6.5 then I wanted less weight cause I wanted to feel more where the head is when I am coming down to hit the ball. I play C-Taper Lite 110 Stiff and I am hitting darts.
Went and got fitted for Mizuno JPX 919 forged with stiff C Taper Lite.
That's great. 👍
Thats crazy.. i have the x100 shaft as well and i have the same issue.. just never thought it could be the shaft.. always wants to push right.. thought it was me.. went to the sim today and had same issue with different heads until we put diff shafts in.. then never thought it was shaft just so many combos going on to realize it.. now this.. shaft could be the dispersion problem..
Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S200 for my wedges, but I use both project X and Dynamic Gold shafts
shafts on all my irons.
Whats the view on the C taper lites 115 x ,I have them in my irons after fitting ,coming from s 300 shafts ,they feel very smooth compared to s 300 ,but very stable .As always a very good informative video guys
What a great video to rewatch, just to see Matty striping a few!
Get well bud!
so what was the lowest launching/spinning? i've tested x100 and c-taper and they were exactly the same for me. I'm playing the project x lz 6.5 and the launch and spin is way to high.
Fantastic reviews, I've played all of these shafts except the 7.0(played a 6.5) and really like the x7 I currently play. Not the longest as I found c taper to go but feel and performance, especially on less than full shots
How much of a difference is there between the 6.5's and 7.0's in project X? If I like the 6.5's but want something heavier, would the 7's be a good option?
Great review guys. As a person who has speeds similar to Matt's I really do appreciate th info that it provides me with
Patrick Monell I’m similar to Ian’s speed, so like you it definitely benefits me when Ian is testing or being fit for a club.
Yea. Its great to have both these guys hitting for us. They are so skillfull and knowledgeable and it helps us all a great deal! You and Ian are no slouch on swing speed as well either seeing he is about a 270-280 carry for 300 yards
Is there a ctaper vs money taper vs tour comp?
I game the kbs tours and notice the ball does balloon but i sometimes like the high flight when i need it.
To play it lower i just take less loft, swing easier, grip down, finish lower, or play it an inch or two back in my stance or some combo of the above.
But would love to try different ones to see how smooth they feel.
Do you spline and FLO these shafts? if no why not? Thanks
I would love to see Tests of shaft companies against their own. Such as TT. Test Original DG, All AMT, New Dynamic Gold 120, DG Tour, XP, Elevate. Do the shafts do as each company says they do?
Hi guys!! For us equipment nerds. Just briefly. What elements about a shaft can move your strike point up or down on the face? What elements can move it towards the heel or toe?
The similarity of numbers is not a great surprise (as you expected) and this seems to be the trend in new equipment as all manufacturers push the limits of what is possible and legal. BUT Matty, how did they FEEL? You guys didn't talk enough about the feedback differences (or similarities). Did one shaft feel 'dead' and another too 'lively', did one give better connection to the club head than another, did any make you feel you had to work harder (or swing easier), did any of the shafts feel 'harder' or 'softer' at impact, etc? Feel is really important to me with my clubs so I'd love to hear more about the feel differences (yes, I know it is subjective but it is also relative). Keep these reviews coming please guys - the more I learn from you the more informed my choices become. Cheers.
The useful stat is standard deviation of each shaft.
Hey guys how would you compare a Dynamic Gold R300 to a Project X 5.5 or 5.5 Rifle and what would be in thst range in KBS?
Ian you recommended the x7s because the spin was a little higher by about 300rpms causing descent angle to be a tad more, if Matt was playing a weaker lofted iron then his current set, would x7 still have been the recommendation or would you have gone with say the c-taper at that point
How would an Aerotech steel fiber i125 compare? Looking to replace Project X 7.0 with a "softer" option due to a wrist problem. Thanks
Could you test DG x100 vs DG 120 x100? I’m debating of switching to a slightly lighter shaft from DG TI X100 in my next set of irons. My swing cadence is similar to your leftie tester. Thanks
Great video. Curious if you could compare the normal KBS Tour vs. Matt's Modus? Wondering if there would be any significant difference between those two. Thanks.
See Matts club fitting
@@bengreen1262 Thanks, but I don't recall him ever trying the KBS Tour in past videos? I could have completely missed it though!
Mizuno JPX 919 dynamic gold 105 currently. They seem so inconsistent and low flighted. Low is not too much of an issue as I play a links course. Would I get more consistency with NS pro or C Taper lite? It’s DG I’ve lost distance too.
I have the project x LZ 6.0 and love them, wish they were included here.
Same, got them in AP2's and love mine
I bought 718 AP2 Irons and ordered them with the Project X LZ 5.5 shafts.
I also ordered my 46° and 50° SM6 Wedges with the X LZ 5.5 and my 54° and 58° Vokey Wedgeworks with the X LZ 5.0 shafts.
Love the Feel.
I’m torn between PX 6.5 vs KBS Tour 130X numbers where slightly better with KBS. I hit a high ball flight so wanted to find a lower flight, which the PX did due to less spin but both where lower than what I game currently. KBS felt ‘smoother’ but I prefer the look of PX, so torn! What should I go with based on my situation? Thanks. Average club head speed 93mph and 7 iron spinning 5100 average c taper and 5000 with PX
I am in awe of how you can talk about head droop and shaft stiffness without giggling like kids....regardless of the golf content guys!
just remarkable discipline, that's all 😆
@@clubchampionmedia discipline and great golf swings....so unfair. ;)
@@clubchampionmedia and a few outtakes?
Great video guys!
I love learning about the differences in shafts....so this video was gold for me!
Going to go watch it again now!
Lefty is your handicap low enough to get that round in with james yet?
@@patrickmonell6536 No it isn't. I'm not far off but I'm so busy with the kids this time of year its hard to get enough rounds in to really move the needle on my Hcp.
I'm really hoping to get over the hump and under a 5Hcp over the holiday season.
It didn't help that I had a bout with poor health a couple of months ago that brought my practice to a halt for a few weeks.
I feel you. I've been busy with kids as well. On top of that I was in a motorcycle accident and missed practice and play from may-mid july due to injuries. I went from a 6 handicap to a 10
@@patrickmonell6536 Sorry to hear that. Hope you are doing better.
For me.... It was a back injury (gym), followed by kidney stones, of all things. I was in and out of the ER over that one! Currently I'm dealing with a pulled muscle in my left shoulder which is super annoying because I have no idea how I even did it. I'm slowly getting back to full strength though. I'm hitting balls once or twice a week currently. I'll be back at practice, full tilt, in a week or 2. Hopefully I'll be playing more regularly by early November, at the latest, once my kids Volleyball and soccer seasons come to a close!
I wish the C-Taper and the X7 existed back in the mid 2000's. Probably would've been very useful to me then. Nowadays I'll take my Project X 6.0's and walk into the sunset cause I'm never going to be able to generate that kind of speed again.
TheMuffs2004 yep know what you mean
@@bengreen1262 I will 3rd that!
It would be interesting to know which of these shafts the Mizuno 3D shaft optimiser suggests as a lot of fitters are relying on this to differentiate shafts as they don’t have the same technology/ knowledge available to them as you guys do.
Watch the vids when chris voshall was in....pjx 6.5 ctaper x modus 125x....were top 3 and its only the shafts that mizuno offers....
the PX shaft band is close to the same size as the DG Tour Issue
Can Matt shape his shots? He hits very straight but considering you are testing advanced player shafts I’d like to see his target accuracy with a draw and fade against the various shafts much more than his straight line accuracy. Like you said In the video, you are splitting hairs however if you try to hit curveballs to targets i bet you will notice more significant differences
I know this is an older video, but curious why use the 7.0? isn't the 6.5 the x stiff shaft that would compare better to x100?
I agree with you exactly mine old Project X 6.0 felt like two-by-fours so I can't imagine how awful the 7.0 would feel for me personally... plus the 7.0 must be a x x stiff?
Was the project x the flighted or non flighted?
On my fitting recently i had the same issue as matty with the dg x100. Just wanted to stay on the right side for me (rh) and then once I started to try and compensate the dispersion just wasn't good. Def had trouble turning it over which i didn't with the modus or the c taper 130. C taper was the standout for me
Hi guys great video as always, question for you does having your shafts SST PURED make any difference or is it just a gimmick.
Would like to see this as well already know what stepping not sure about puring.
Several years ago Golfsmith worked with Puring. Anecdotes were that Puring improved consistency. They sponsored Verplank one year, and only when they poured all his iron shafts was he happy with the set. But I’ve new shafts described as being 98% symmetrical. Would seem to me that as manufacturing quality and consistency improve, Puring will be less beneficial but I would also speculate that there are still shafts being sold today that Puring will benefit.
Forgot to mention that there (are?) vibration tests that showed that shafts vibrated differently depending on their alignment. With the adjustable clubs, symmetry is perhaps more important. I’ve seen that data for some shafts, but I don’t know if it is available for all shafts.
@@billcochrane9774 I believe they still offer it on most clubs. I just got a new iron set this year from them ( well now Golf Galaxy but same thing) and the option was available, I just wasn't sure what it was. I knew it had to do with shaft testing just never knew what went into the process thank you for more insight.
Does the c-taper have a high balance point like the tour and tour-v or is it like project x and dynamic gold, just curious if that played a role in the timing aspect, and does x7 have a higher balance point because there is so much mass in the butt
From a fitting i just had where i hit the x100 and the c taper (sorry no x7 or px 7) the c taper is definitely stiffer in the butt end than the x100 but also stiffer in the mid and way stiffer in the tip. So there is almost no change in stiffness between the mid and tip sections of the c taper. I have a relatively fast tempo and pretty significant transition move and i really struck the ball much better with that stiffer tip section of the c taper
Their "struggle with that" shots are better than my best shots. :)
Guys care to share the cpms for the 3 shafts?
Where was Nippon??? Thought Matt was dialed into the Nippons in previous video?
Did you get the Tour V in too? I went to a Titleist fitting day and was for into T100s and the Tour V 110. Would love to know what your thoughts are on the shaft.
As always you guys are awesome!!!
I found the same thing Matt found with the project x vs x100. I'm righty, but for some reason, both project x6.0 and project x6.5 were consistently more left than x100. For me x100 were more straight and the px shafts were slight pulled draws about 5-8 yards left of target. Could it be the heavier weight of DG keeps me less quick?
In terms of launch, spin, ball speed, apex, decent angle, I tested modus 125, modus 130, px 6.0 and 6.5, c-taper 125 and 130 and x100. The numbers were all on top of each other like what they found here.
i feel like dg has a later kick
Wish Nippon were in this. Great content, nonetheless.
It looked like to me Matt hot ctaper straighter, but x7 had better front to back control
How much different would X100 be from these? Really a cool test.
Bradley Lawrence Golf we tested x100 in this test also.
I miss the days before TT bought Royal Precision and steel shafts were about 1/3 the price as they are today.
why has Rifle almost dissapeared? exact flex everytime assuminng installation correct
@@neilcameron3021 , because True Temper bought them back in 2006. And we all all the worse off for it.
You can still get them.but charter dealers only and can.only be sold installed
What is difference between project x and project x lz? Also what is project x lz comparable to in other brands of shafts
I play Project X LZ 5.5 in my Titleist 718 AP2 Irons and my 46° & 50° Vokey SM6 Wedges.
I have X LZ 5.0 in my 54° & 58° Vokey Wedgeworks.
X LZ play .5 Stiffer than the Project X shafts, so X LZ 5.5 equals X 6.0
Thumbs down already huh? One of life's mysteries. Good stuff gents
It's a RUclips video about golf shafts. Mr Crossfield has them on auto down vote :-)
lol I was just about to say that old baldy must be at it again, but Jason beat me to the punch.....sorry Freudian slip there... I meant to say comment.
Great video Guys do you have Shimada iron shafts in store if so could you possibly do some testing? Cheers Peter
Yes we do, there’s a video from a few months back I believe we tested them with Oban shafts as well
@@clubchampionmedia thank you I must have missed that one slap on the wrist 😂😂😂
How amaze balls is Michael Frelund (sp?) feeling today, eh?
There is an " it" factor that the kbs products have, kinda like mizuno. They just have something about them that stands out.
#TXG #POWERFUL #ELONFRASER #IRONBYRON.MATTY
poe's ReLiC yeah I’m looking at the mizunobhot metal pro and the kbs c taper comes standard in it. I think after this video I’m going for it. Your thoughts?
Is there anything in the Nippon Modus range similar to these shafts?
Assuming Matt's current 120's are lighter than these shafts tested and isn't the easy answer.
Alright..so it's probably embarrassing that I ask this because maybe I should know as a single digit over sort of player but when I look at numbers I see the extra backspin...I don't worry about stopping the ball but does that mean straighter flight?
Sorry if I'm blacking out on this question and it's simple or idiotic.
To me c taper was best but I just went by ball speed and distance.
Please help anyone on this I'm doing my first ever fitting this week!
All three are legendary shafts. Imho however, there will never be a better iron shaft than the Dynamic Gold.
He swings pretty in to out yet not a lot of movement on misses. Interesting
Is that because Matt has a really high swing speed? Maybe for a slower swing speed x100 would be better?
Would you might see bigger differences if you played different shots?
Funny. Every fitter I’ve ever been to would say the X100 was too stiff because the shots went to Matt’s left! Too stiff goes right for a righty, too soft goes left.
Thoughts?
Depends on the player. For some a too soft of shaft will cause them to release too early and the face will be too closed resulting in what you've been told. Others find a too soft shaft to result in the clubhead lagging resulting in an open face and shots just the opposite of what you've been told. It all depends on the golfer.
I've been wanting to switch to the srixon xv but after reading mygolfspy ball test it seems to be the least accurate ball out of the premium ones. Meaning it was the furthest off line. Any ideas why that would be?
No idea, both of us have played it for two years and find it performs well
@@clubchampionmedia right now I play the pro v1x but am looking for slightly less spin and better flight in the wind and was hoping the xv would be able to do that.
worth a try, the new prov1x spins quite a bit
@@clubchampionmedia haha yeah I had no idea it had changed and had been playing the new one all year. Ripping it off greens all the time when I never really had before
Kourt, hang on for the new B-stones.
Why does he play Nipon vs the C-taper?
How do u guys like those Lamkin grips as oppose to the gold pride CP2 series? Also which is a better shaft KBS tour or dynamic gold S400?
So it's the same right?
I notice Matt's arm strapped up. Are you over working him.
How about testing steel shafts in the driver, vs graphite shafts?
As someone who still plays steel DGS300 at 43", I would love to see this as well. I can tell you that I've gone into the PGA Tour Superstore on multiple occasions to try and knock it out of the bag but have yet to find anything I hit better. Any tiny 2-3 mph clubhead speed I gain with a 45" graphite shaft is greatly offset by quality of ballstrike.
@@webstermiller7765 Agreed! I play a Titleist 909D3 with TTDG S300 44" shaft. Again that's why I would love to see the difference.
Just wondering if a heavier or lighter iron shaft would reduce toe strikes
What about Nippon?
Purely selfish, but being on the border of stiff/x-stiff myself, I would like to see a comparison test like this including some stiff versions of these shafts.
Matt’s is an amazing striker why isn’t he a tour player
I am true believer in getting fit. But be careful out side alot of fittings our on uneven ground with lots of sand on the Range and then of course range balls. Got fit for hybrid they said i was hitting 197-205... Carry was shocked, seamed short i new they were range balls..but still.. Wow. Hybrid came in. with real ball, inside fitting i hit that same hybrid 225-230.
So be careful if getting fit outside . Range balls and the elements can mess up the #s would recommend inside fitting to get rid of some variables..
( iam plus 1). On this test you sure made the case that there is lots of great shafts out there and there not much difference... At least for you.