Not sure why I haven’t seen this video before ,,, It has irritated me that fitters check what shaft you are playing with and recommend something similar. One fitter said def light graphite and I was making 3 inch divots behind the ball. Sold the clubs in 2 weeks. Lately, went for a fitting and told the fitter let’s star heavy and work down - eureka 120gms. Superb tempo and getting great ball descent.
Yes. The difference can be drastic. Added 25 yards to my 8 iron carry distance. Heavier shaft and heavier swing weight. Interestingly with driver I use a light very stiff flex with a heavy swing weight.
@@nicholasdemetriades9154I had some silly strong loft clubs regular stiffness with 80 grams. Changed to Titleist blades 3-4 degree weaker lofts with 130 gram shafts. Hit the ball even further with the weaker lofts and a proper shaft
Thank you for an excellent vid and I 110% agree with your statement that "shaft weight is KING". I realised years ago that I have a weight "sweet spot" that works with my swing mechanics that allows me to deliver a square clubface. Anything heavier or lighter throws off my timing and screws up my clubface delivery. As Ian Fraser of TXG puts it "the shaft is a timing device". But there can be another factor at work here and that is our reaction to what a "Fitter tells us" about a particular shaft or club. I am VERY autosuggestive and I will react to what the fitter says about a shaft/club. So I prefer a Fitting where the fitter doesn't influence me and doesn't tell me anything about what I am being handed and just lets me react to what I feel That way my brain reacts purely to how the shaft feels rather than what I have been told that it should feel.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Ian and Simon are very aligned with their views on shafts. Great that you know how you react to things and critical for a fitter to know this info at the start so they can tailor the indignation provided to get the best results for you from the session
@@zarlodious1 Unfortunately, due to health issues I am now an ex-golfer. When I was in my 40s-50s my sweet spot was 60 grams, but as I aged I found that going down to 55 grams really helped my timing.
Absolutely the best explanation I have seen of this. I have seen another more recent demonstration of the same issue by a well respected fitter using three driver shafts with the same weight but different flexes (X, S and R/S) and three shafts with different weights (50, 60 and 70) but the same stiff flex. They also put top priority on weight rather than flex. But the test focused on launch monitor data plus the location of the strike on the face. They discussed how it felt, and the tester mentioned how he felt the differences affected his backswing, and also the dispersion. But they did not deal with or explain the key biomechanics point that Simon makes so clear and simple of being able to simply move the club around him in balance, without having to make more or less effort or hand adjustments, Kudos and thanks.
OMG. I got fitted for new irons a few months ago and went from 115g (stiff) shaft to 95g (reg) shaft per the recommendation from the fitter. Immediately I was missing LEFT and just couldn't find any consistency! Thought it was due to the flex and went back to my old clubs and immediately started hitting better. This video is literally that "aha!" moment. THANK YOU!!
This is why I am afraid to go to a fitter. IF the person is not knowledgeable it's very difficult for the buyer/golfer. One time I went to buy & get fitted for irons and I was also hitting all left. The guy had no clue what he was doing. He just kept changing different clubs/shafts. At the end, I had to return the mizunos I bought with his recommended shaft and I didn't play well with those at all, and ended up buying p790s off the shelf and I am hitting em great.
This has to be one of the best videos Ive ever watched and have explained. Ive been doing a ton of shaft research lately because I am buying direct to consumer club heads soon.
Great explanation and thank you. Now I know why my lighter weight shaft mizuno blades would always go left no matter what I did. Back to DGSs300 and all was back to normal
. I just watched a long video of a driver fitting for a middle aged bloke 12 handicap. Removing the weight off the driver head had significant improvements in club speed and distance hit. Same shaft .
I think this Is totally correct as soon as I get a shaft that’s to light my swing feels all over the place . If I go from regular to stiff with the same weight there is very little difference.
Great video. The so called ‘experts’ at my local Golf Shop were telling me to focus on flex, but I kept insisting that shaft weight effected my shots much more. Needless to say, I didn’t buy from them.
Thanks for your comment. Clubfitting is a “professional” profession taking years for experience to be proficient. Sadly that’s advice from someone who doesn’t understand the first principles of club fitting.
Fantastic video. Right to the point, nothing but facts that are clear and concise and are extremely important to a normal golfer. Thank you so much for helping and sharing your experience/knowledge.
Absolutely concur with this. I have two sets of irons - Titleist 681 (with DGS300 shafts / Golf Pride grips). Weights throughout the 8-club set start at 435g to 475g My other set is the Titlest 710MB (with Project X 6.0 / same grips). Weights for this set start 420g to 455g So, there is a difference of between 18g and 30g throughout each set. The 681s with heavier shaft at 130g and also denser heads (260g), promote a much better, more contolled and rythmic swing which in turn, causes my body to work with the swing and thus I get better dispersion and distance.
I guess it is dependent on the individual. I had some 105 gram shafts in irons and I had an inkling that they weren't a perfect fit. Put 120's in and immediately I knew they were keepers. Same with driver shaft. 50g too light and 70 perfect for me. Great video.
Excellent video. Over the last few years (with the benefit of fitting from Precision), my iron shafts have got heavier and my driver shaft slightly lighter!
This video is absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much. I am playing regular 85g steel irons for 3 years now and i finally understand why all my balls tend to go left (and very high).
Hmm... I switched from 130g steel to 89g graphite and I had it sorted out within a few days of swinging at home and I now much prefer the graphite. But to go from steel to graphite in a fitting would have been impossible. I do agree weight is more likely what's causing most of the issues in a fitting rather than flex though.
My mistake, I think my comment was for another video regarding Caitlyn Clark and the WNBA. I appreciate your video on the weight of a shaft. Very informative.
I got a shaft fitting last summer and then got some really good lessons that made me see the correct way to swing the club. I realize this was backwards to what I shoud have done but thats the way it turned out. I bought new irons which were different than what was recommended which we never even tested. But I feel the recommended clubs and shaft would have been no better with my new golf swing. So this spring when I can finally hit off some turf will be very interesting to see my ball flight. May have to get refitted. BTW the new irons are Mizuno 923 hm with 64 gram f3 recoil shafts.
Thanks for sharing. Hopefully the weather starts to improve soon so you can put some good practice in. If we can be of any help please don’t hesitate to drop the studio a call on 01932 977777
Weight and swing weight is king, I usually swing around 113-120 something with my play driver and fitter assume I swing fast, so he gave me an X-Stiff flex and I absolutely hate the feel of the club and shaft, it's simply doesn't feel good or confidence building to me. Stiff tip with huge heavy head makes me have a hard time closing and squaring the face. I have smoother deliver but fast swing not the type that load the shaft in a traditional way. I'm so used to do well with Stiff or even Regular flex shaft so I knew there are more to this than just gave a fast swinger a high kick X stiff shaft have a feel of swinging a metal pole. So many fitters do not put in the customer's feel, preference and feedback, they can get too obsessed in the numbers and performance on paper and screen that if the club feels garbage or make you feel tired after testing them a short time then it's not the right combination.
You are absolutely spot on - you have to take into account HOW someone generates their speed and what feel they like and then you can tune it all together. The bad old ways of high speed needing a heavy x-stiff shaft should be behind us but sadly many fitters still go down this route.
With overlength clubs the swingeight goes up which compensates for the lighter shaft. The longer length makes the club swing heavier than it would at standard length.
Don’t mistake swingweight and deadweight being interchangeable - a heavy swingweight on an over length but light shaft can be very detached as it exaggerates the feel of the head so will not compensate for a light shaft
In my case, of relatively slow speed of swing ~92 m/h, the weight of the shaft doesn't make any difference. I swing all shaft weights with the approximately same speed and achieve the same distance. It seams illogical but it is that what it is, I believe there must be a lot of some compensation involved. Actually I preferer heavier shafts that are much more consistent for me in the left , right distribution.
You do find players who “normalise” their timing no matter what they swing but there will be a weight which gives the best and most natural synchronisation which will minimise variables. Ultimately whatever feels most natural and simple is likely to be the best for you!
This is so true. I’m not a great golfer. Only playing my second summer. But I got myself some t100’s with nice heavy extra stuff shafts which are supposed to be much harder to hit with, way less forgiving and yet I shaved off 10 swings on 9 holes my first time playing with them.
Theory is great but it is only theory! What works in practice is the most important thing and being a relatively new golfer does not mean a heavy and stable set up is wrong. Great improvement in scoring!
Thank you for this video! I really like your wording where you talk about you overpowering the club cuz that's exactly what I feel with my current clubs. That is a great way to think of it in terms of even trying to fit myself which I will go to a professional fitter as well but even just understanding when I'm overpowering a club versus if it's overpowering me. Great concept thank you
I am playing AMT Black stiff shafts which vary in weight throughout my set of Titleist t200 irons. These shafts start at 95 grams in my 4-iron and progress to 116 grams in my pitching wedge. I have 125 gram shafts in my gap wedges and sand wedge. What you’ve demonstrated to me in this video has me concerned about my set up. I have been fit for irons, twice in my lifetime and neither fitter brought up the issue of shaft weight. Shaft flex was the be all end all. I’ve been playing golf for 50+ years and learn something new every year!
It is something that has become understood much more in recent years and how weight impacts delivery much more than flex (when isolated for performance). We continue to learn but 95g to 125g in your irons is a heck of a lot of weight difference to deal with for sure!
@@Precision_Golf thanks for your reply. I have very little faith in the local club fitters. I have been to several demo days where each of the big golf companies have a representative club fitter/salesman and none of them discuss shaft weight impacting results. They’ll let you swing their clubs, but don’t expect much more than rudimentary knowledge regarding their equipment improving your game.
Yes, thank you. Very enlightening, all your videos. You have opened my eyes to how poor my last two fittings (Irons/driver) really were. Big Box store with fancy bays just pushing equipment. Sad thing is you pay for these bad fittings in $$ and ill fitting equipment.
Super informative.. Long time user of dg 130s as grew up with them but now nearing 50.. and only 80mph 7iron speed.. Have noticed if timing good they are good.. But if im off i see that high right and over draw.. ... Was fitted today up at Titliest for kbs tour v 110 and the dispersion with 10 shots was under 15 feet total and 30 foot total with my DG... The 20 gram makes a big difference..and can now feel the club through the ball so much better.. 👍
@Precision_Golf clubs landed 😊😊 kbs tour v 110 in d2.5 compared to s300in d4. 5 for an 80mph swing... Feels so much better.....why did I wait so long.. 🤣🤣
Interesting, this is exactly what I experienced when I switched from 105g to 130g shafts. I had to relearn my tempo to get the club back to square at impact, but it feels a lot more solid now than before.
Interesting. I just bought some irons used for my brother and took them to the course to give them a try. My irons are Nippon 850 GH R (roughly 85 grams or so - maybe a bit less) and these new ones are TT Elevate 95 Stiff (95-ish grams). Same heads in both: PXG 0211 ST blades. I was expecting to need to muscle them a bit to square the face (my 7-iron speed is right around 78 mph), but they felt absolutely fine. In fact, my timing seemed better, especially with the longer irons.
Excellent video Simon - soon very soon I must come for that long awaited fitting - keep them coming - ideally GRIP SIZE and impact video soon - best alan
fantastic vid, and FWIW i've noticed the same thing in my own swing. I don't swing very fast (i'm in my 50's, i'm an avid golfer, i'm about a 3 handicap, and my driver swing is around 100-102 mph). But the sweet spot weight of a driver shaft for me is about 60-65 grams. The ultralight shafts completely throw my timing off. I eventually deduced it, through trial and error (buying various shafts is somewhat easy nowadays with the ability to change them out and eBay). It convinced me to educate myself over these sorts of things rather than trust just any fitter. Of course there's no way i'd know as much as a great fitter, but how do you ever know if you've got a guy fitting you of that caliber? In any case, great vid, and i'm definitely a new subscriber!
Many thanks and greatly appreciated. Ultimately the only way to know is whether there is a logic to the progression through the fitting process that they can explain why they are testing with particular head and shaft combinations. As long as they can explain the options, what the characteristics are and why they are being used then that should stand you in good stead!
makes sense. I went from a 115g steel to 95g graphite in my irons and it helped quite a bit as I'm getting older. Much better control w/the lighter shaft. In the past, a heavier shaft was better.
This all makes sense. I had steel shafted irons but felt they were too heavy and got tired during the round. (Age 72). So I switched to graphite. Now I know why I miss left. I can't feel the head and my timing is way off. I was fitted but they are not always right.
Concise , informative and well presented 👍. I counter balance my putter , my wedges are the same s/w as my irons which are reg r300’s but i also game a 5i tmb which is an s300 . I have for some time felt more connected with this club , it gaps well in my bag and i dont hit the standard ap2 any shorter or longer but i can hook the ap2 5 i, ive often wondered if its the weight difference hence this visit . Im going to investigate further 👍
My current clubs are mostly cheap and lighter in weight...,$500 for the whole set when I bought them about a dozen years ago. I finally started using them a lot this year. I clearly notice the difference in weight between those irons....and new Cleveland wedges I recently bought. Once I can afford new irons, I'm sure I will see a nice difference. In the meantime, they're good clubs to learn the game with.
I am 6ft build, quite athletic and i am using a KBS shaft 102g in my irons and I do tend to pull shots like you displayed with the lighter shaft. This is interesting ! I am in need of heavier shafts potentially as i struggle to control with my club head speed being 95+
Sounds likely, however it could also be balance point as the KBS shafts are not overly tip balanced. If you can get somewhere to test out the options then you will be able to dial in to the best option
This helps alot, playing a reg 95g shaft. Believe I do probably need a stiffer shaft as my SS is a bit high for Regs. I thought it was all purely Stiffness related becuz I hit large draws and hooks and its rather rare for me to get it square and hit a nice straight shot. Sometimes toe strikes are only way a can not go left.
Once you dial into the physics of what is actually happening and what can really influence shot shape it tends to make sense. It could be balance point and/or weight as well as swing path
I swing my driver at 98mph so fit between reg and stiff however I agree that weight has a bigger effect on flight. I like 60g but do play a 70g for lower flight in windy dry conditions. I tried a 50g but balloons in driver. The heavier weight is more stable for straighter shots.
@@Precision_Golf Definitely requires some trial and error and Ive found in driver that different shafts suit different heads regardless of weight. I do prefer a CB shaft too. I have 50g in my fairway woods for more height and 120g in my irons for control. Cheers from Oz..
I tend to hit the ball left to right with the 55 gram and get almost zero roll on my drives. I like the light weight but wonder if the 65 or 70 will help hit lower and get roll?
I sometimes FEEL like with a heavier shaft, i attack the ball a little more from the inside. Ive tried the dynamic gold x100, and tried the 120g version x100....with the normal version more of a draw is present, and having seen this video, it makes sense as to why
Interesting topic, shaft weight! To prove your point you switched to a lighter and a heavier shaft weight with the same club head. But should you have remeasured the swing weight and adjust it accordingly to your original clubs' swing weight? So the feel of the club is the same during the swing.
When you change shaft weight a by-product is that swingweight changes too - just matching the swingweight would not have made them feel the same to swing and the purpose of the test was to show what solely changing that one parameter does. To match swingweight we would have had to change head weight so two parameters would have been altered, which would have then meant any performance change might not have been directly attributed to the change in shaft weight.
Excellent! Learned something new, getting fitted in a couple weeks this info will be useful.. why does it seem like all the really good golf instructions and technical information is coming from UK, Europe guys?
Hi all your videos are explained with excellent clarity- could you please post a practical case study that you fitted for your clients , asking this as the information or feedback the candidate might have provided while experimenting with different shaft weights etc could be helpful, since in this video the comments and feedback are your very own and you already know what shaft you are used too ,might unconsciously swing with a slight variation knowing that the shafts are changed- cheers
Interesting I ran into this video. With the newer drivers they are coming with very light shafts. My Ping G400 has a stock 55 gram shaft stiff. Everything goes left I just can’t feel the shaft weight.😮My pryer driver The Ping G400 had an after market 65 gram shaft. I hit it so much more consistent. I am going to try a heavier shaft first before I go from Stiff to and R flex.
Almost all iron shafts progress weight through the set however the AMT do progress weight much more aggressively. Whilst the principle seems good in practice they can get too light in long irons or too heavy in short irons and that can make consistent timing hard to achieve through the set
Great vid, full of interesting content. I just found this out after trying light shafts, ie, 105 gram shaft, balls were pulled left....Then tried 132g DG s400 Tour, balls went right. I think if i bent the heads 1 deg upright, that may fix the issue as the heavy shaft had better timing and power..
It will help a bit but there is 27g between the two. I would also try the DG 120 if you are able to as if the DG S400 are going right then they could be too heavy
I discovered this first hand. I randomly bought some Mavrik irons with 95 gram steel (and loved them). Like an idiot I had some 85 gram graphites loaded up and I could barely hit the ball. Thankfully I only reshafted 2 of my clubs, one of which was the same head from a demo club, the other sadly was my original 8 iron. I was luckily able to find the same club with the same shaft and I am back to striking it well. If you have some irons you can hit well, do not switch them out if you are a mid to high handicap, absolutely not worth it if you are striking them well.
I went from KBS Tour 130x to c taper lite 115 and wow was that a weird feeling. Started missing everything left. I thought I was going to get more ball speed, lower flight, less spin but it seemed to be the opposite for me. Will be switching back to my tours.
The theory of how the shaft is designed is great but in practice if it does not swing correctly for you the control and consistency just disappears as you found. Hope you get switched back soon!
Wow - this was a very good explanation, clearly highlighting the importance and impact of shaft weight. Really an eye-opener for me. 🧐 It does actually fit quite well with my experience being fit for new Mizuno irons a couple of months ago. I used to play Callaway Apex 14 with graphite Recoil 660 F3 shafts, and got fit to steel KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff 110! That is going from a 71g regular shaft to a 110g stiff!! 😮 The Mizuno shaft fitting device had that as one of the top 5 shafts for my swing - the existig shaft I had was almost at the bottom at 0,8/5 rating! Going into the fitting, I actually thought, that I had to have an even lighter shaft, possibly graphite senior flex (I'm 55 years old). I was initially very sceptical about the shafts presented to me, but the results were indisputable. With the new Irons, I litterally hit the mid irons 15-18 meters longer (7i 130-133 vs 145-150ish carry) among many other good things, like feeling of control, accuracy, ability to just put a smooth unforced swing to the ball etc. Getting back to your video here - I beleive the difference made was from changing a 71g 🪶shaft to a 110g 🏋♀. Thanks to your video here, now I finally understand why it actually helped my swing. Thank you! 🙏
So glad we could help clear up why you saw such a good difference and great to hear your experience. The hard bit for you must have been getting used to the new yardages!!
@@Precision_Golf Thanks for the reply 😃It certainly was a big change to take in so far, but being winter here in Denmark, it has been confined to the 1-2 rounds per week in our brilliant local indoor Trackman center (but I did carry past a few greens in the start - luckily the balls doesn't get lost indoors 😂). However, playing the indoor Tracman is also how I have been able to very precicely see the differences in carry 🤓. Also put in extra training sessions there as well to adjust. I will definitely need to completely reset my default iron choices when getting back outside - will be interesting to compare my Arccos numbers after the first 10 rounds. At least I have had the "indoor season" to partly adjust to my 'new' game 😅 Keep up your good content 👍
bought 2nd hand set of irons with KBS stiff having tried one But i had tried 105g and bought 120g not thinking there could be to weights called stiff! Hit em straight low but short! At least ive now got something to blame! Im old but strong think i must muscle it through impact
Your explanation sounds good, but when does a left miss equate to the club lie angle and not shaft weight? I use Ping clubs with a green dot (2 degrees upright). For a long time I had a bad slice. As my swing is improving, I'm finding that I am fighting a consistent left miss. I sent the clubs in and had them changed from green to blue dot (now 1 degree upright). I'm still missing left but not as much. I also use a light weight graphite shaft in my irons. I'm thinking about new irons because I'm looking for more spin, so this is an interesting thought. What is the clue that says it is shaft weight and not lie angle? I practice with a launch monitor that gives me club and ball data.
Shaft weight will dictate base connection and timing between the player and the club, lie angle will only affect face angle and gearing of spin at the point of impact rather than the timing of the swing. Both are a factor in dispersion but the lie will affect overall consistency of strike and general shot pattern far less unless it is a long way off. For you it is more likely The light weight graphite is the issue, especially having had the lies adjusted flatter already.
Very few would suit that combo as the feel would be very different as well as proportionate weight would have to drop off heavily into the woods but it is not pot if the question with shafts like the TPT and Autoflex
Brilliant video! Thank you very much. I just found you yesterday, and love your explanations. Seems to me that this, along with proper grip size, is indeed very important. I live in Canada and unfortunately, cannot come to see you. I have a set of Ben Hogan Apex F.T.X (3-SW irons with Apex 3 shafts) that I just acquired and would like to set them up correctly for me as I am committed to using them. Can you suggest how I would go about this (there is a well-regarded fitter nearby)? I hit the E wedge 135, and the 7 iron 160-170 (standard grips still) and I like the Golf Pride midsize MCC PLUS 4 grips on my other irons. Kind regards, Kevin
Hi Kevin. Thank you so much for your kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video. The only people we can vouch to fit the way we fit in North America/Canada are the guys at CoolClubs.
I swear on this.. I used to swing a dynamic gold s300 which I think weighs around 130grms and my typical miss was right. I somehow got fitted with a 105grm shaft and I’m now pull hooking every other shot
1 million views, and we shall buy the drinks!😄We really appreciate your comment, thanks for watching. Check out the latest LIVE fitting we did today, Simon fitting himself for his first new driver in 7 years 👍🏻
Good stuff! How about increasing shaft weight vs increasing head weight? I had an iron fitting elsewhere and in that I prefered swinging a heavier shaft (as the stock head weight was all that was offered), but wonder if a lighter shafter together with some lead on the head may have benefits
Both have merits depending on the player - some players benefit from having extra shaft weight to drive against in transition, others benefit from a heavier head on a lighter shaft. The more aggressive the move in principle the heavier shaft will be better, the head weight is more about helping to time the strike/hand action.
Good for irons , but the driver needs more speed? You can retrain your body to adjust for the lighter weights? I have found that lighter with good flex = more distance?
Why would you retrain to suit the club, it should always be the other way round otherwise you just compromise your timing in another part of the bag. Too light means you cannot build speed naturally and lose timing therefore you have to back off to regain control
Strength invariably makes a difference and often reflected in swing speed after the fit; improved synergy of weight and golfer will make for more speed. 😊
Just bought some extra weights for my driver and a +10 gram shaft for this reason. I've gained some strength and speed in training and it seems more left misses as well, unfortunately. We'll see how it goes.
Hi Derek. Sadly completely guesswork. I play Steelfibre CW i110S in irons, Ventus Blue 5S in Driver, Devotion 7 HB in FWs and GD DI 85S in Hyb but you could need something completely different. It’s about speed/load/feel/flight preference, everyone is unique. James
Great video. Absolutely fact. I started golf with the latest technology which consisted of steel driver shafts and persimmon heads. Today my driver has a 45 gram graphite shaft. I just can't swing a heavy club anymore.
Many thanks. I remember those days as a junior starting with persimmon woods with steel shafts too - taught you to find the middle of the club!! You’re spot on about the weight though as it is a case of physically being able to move the club at speed and retain balance and control or not being able to no matter what other characteristics the shaft has.
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This is an eye opener- never seen such a good explanation of the impact of shaft weight. You’ve gained a new subscriber!
Welcome aboard!
Wow. In all my years of buying clubs I never once heard any club fitter tell me this but it makes perfect sense. very well done sir. Very well done.
Thanks for watching A1sauce
Not sure why I haven’t seen this video before ,,, It has irritated me that fitters check what shaft you are playing with and recommend something similar. One fitter said def light graphite and I was making 3 inch divots behind the ball. Sold the clubs in 2 weeks. Lately, went for a fitting and told the fitter let’s star heavy and work down - eureka 120gms. Superb tempo and getting great ball descent.
Yes. The difference can be drastic. Added 25 yards to my 8 iron carry distance. Heavier shaft and heavier swing weight. Interestingly with driver I use a light very stiff flex with a heavy swing weight.
@@nicholasdemetriades9154I had some silly strong loft clubs regular stiffness with 80 grams. Changed to Titleist blades 3-4 degree weaker lofts with 130 gram shafts. Hit the ball even further with the weaker lofts and a proper shaft
It’s not just swing weight by itself. It’s swing weight, puring, cpm/fm. All equally important when it comes to club fitting
Thank you for an excellent vid and I 110% agree with your statement that "shaft weight is KING".
I realised years ago that I have a weight "sweet spot" that works with my swing mechanics that allows me to deliver a square clubface. Anything heavier or lighter throws off my timing and screws up my clubface delivery. As Ian Fraser of TXG puts it "the shaft is a timing device".
But there can be another factor at work here and that is our reaction to what a "Fitter tells us" about a particular shaft or club. I am VERY autosuggestive and I will react to what the fitter says about a shaft/club. So I prefer a Fitting where the fitter doesn't influence me and doesn't tell me anything about what I am being handed and just lets me react to what I feel
That way my brain reacts purely to how the shaft feels rather than what I have been told that it should feel.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Ian and Simon are very aligned with their views on shafts.
Great that you know how you react to things and critical for a fitter to know this info at the start so they can tailor the indignation provided to get the best results for you from the session
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What is your sweet spot weight? I like 60-70 I did 40grams but sprayville 😢
@@zarlodious1 Unfortunately, due to health issues I am now an ex-golfer.
When I was in my 40s-50s my sweet spot was 60 grams, but as I aged I found that going down to 55 grams really helped my timing.
This definitely gives me incentive to want to get fitted properly, not just for weight, but length as well. Thank you!!
Hi Eric. You’re very welcome. 👍🏻
Absolutely the best explanation I have seen of this. I have seen another more recent demonstration of the same issue by a well respected fitter using three driver shafts with the same weight but different flexes (X, S and R/S) and three shafts with different weights (50, 60 and 70) but the same stiff flex. They also put top priority on weight rather than flex. But the test focused on launch monitor data plus the location of the strike on the face. They discussed how it felt, and the tester mentioned how he felt the differences affected his backswing, and also the dispersion. But they did not deal with or explain the key biomechanics point that Simon makes so clear and simple of being able to simply move the club around him in balance, without having to make more or less effort or hand adjustments, Kudos and thanks.
Absolute pleasure and glad you are still enjoying the content!
I really appreciate this technical and logical explanation.
Thank you!
OMG. I got fitted for new irons a few months ago and went from 115g (stiff) shaft to 95g (reg) shaft per the recommendation from the fitter. Immediately I was missing LEFT and just couldn't find any consistency! Thought it was due to the flex and went back to my old clubs and immediately started hitting better. This video is literally that "aha!" moment. THANK YOU!!
Glad to be of service!
This is why I am afraid to go to a fitter. IF the person is not knowledgeable it's very difficult for the buyer/golfer. One time I went to buy & get fitted for irons and I was also hitting all left. The guy had no clue what he was doing. He just kept changing different clubs/shafts. At the end, I had to return the mizunos I bought with his recommended shaft and I didn't play well with those at all, and ended up buying p790s off the shelf and I am hitting em great.
This has to be one of the best videos Ive ever watched and have explained. Ive been doing a ton of shaft research lately because I am buying direct to consumer club heads soon.
Thanks so much Shane. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great explanation and thank you. Now I know why my lighter weight shaft mizuno blades would always go left no matter what I did. Back to DGSs300 and all was back to normal
Glad you got back to a shaft that works!
Great video, excellent presentation, and I 100% agree that shaft weight is so often overlooked whilst the focus is on rigidity of flex.
Thanks so much for your kind words Andrew and also for watching our content.
. I just watched a long video of a driver fitting for a middle aged bloke 12 handicap. Removing the weight off the driver head had significant improvements in club speed and distance hit. Same shaft .
Absolutely, it can work for some players and not for others so always test before changing your gamer club!
Thanks!
Thank you so much Nicholas, really appreciate it
I think this Is totally correct as soon as I get a shaft that’s to light my swing feels all over the place .
If I go from regular to stiff with the same weight there is very little difference.
Absolutely spot on - thank you for watching!
Super video, really explained well
Great video. The so called ‘experts’ at my local Golf Shop were telling me to focus on flex, but I kept insisting that shaft weight effected my shots much more. Needless to say, I didn’t buy from them.
Thanks for your comment. Clubfitting is a “professional” profession taking years for experience to be proficient. Sadly that’s advice from someone who doesn’t understand the first principles of club fitting.
Fantastic video. Right to the point, nothing but facts that are clear and concise and are extremely important to a normal golfer. Thank you so much for helping and sharing your experience/knowledge.
Genuinely appreciate that Jim, thank you 👍🏻
Great video. I'm a senior golfer. I've been struggling with heavy shafted wedges. I can't square the club face. Now I know why.
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely concur with this.
I have two sets of irons - Titleist 681 (with DGS300 shafts / Golf Pride grips). Weights throughout the 8-club set start at 435g to 475g
My other set is the Titlest 710MB (with Project X 6.0 / same grips). Weights for this set start 420g to 455g
So, there is a difference of between 18g and 30g throughout each set.
The 681s with heavier shaft at 130g and also denser heads (260g), promote a much better, more contolled and rythmic swing which in turn, causes my body to work with the swing and thus I get better dispersion and distance.
Classic set that!
I guess it is dependent on the individual. I had some 105 gram shafts in irons and I had an inkling that they weren't a perfect fit. Put 120's in and immediately I knew they were keepers. Same with driver shaft. 50g too light and 70 perfect for me. Great video.
Thanks Wayne. Absolutely it is dependent on the individual and how they swing and move as to what suits best. Glad you found your set up!
Excellent video. Over the last few years (with the benefit of fitting from Precision), my iron shafts have got heavier and my driver shaft slightly lighter!
We love helping you with your game Justin. Roll on 2023!
Fabulous video, Simon. Best to James.
Thanks Tim!
This video is absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much. I am playing regular 85g steel irons for 3 years now and i finally understand why all my balls tend to go left (and very high).
Thanks for letting us know, glad it helped you figure stuff out. If we can be of further help just stay. James
Good job! Can your next vid go in depth as to where the weight should be on the shaft? Example Tip, mid, or handle
We will endeavour to do this!
Hmm... I switched from 130g steel to 89g graphite and I had it sorted out within a few days of swinging at home and I now much prefer the graphite. But to go from steel to graphite in a fitting would have been impossible. I do agree weight is more likely what's causing most of the issues in a fitting rather than flex though.
Wow, that was amazing to learn, I had no idea weight was so important. Thank you for posting!👍
You're so welcome!
My mistake, I think my comment was for another video regarding Caitlyn Clark and the WNBA. I appreciate your video on the weight of a shaft. Very informative.
Not sure we follow?
I got a shaft fitting last summer and then got some really good lessons that made me see the correct way to swing the club. I realize this was backwards to what I shoud have done but thats the way it turned out. I bought new irons which were different than what was recommended which we never even tested. But I feel the recommended clubs and shaft would have been no better with my new golf swing. So this spring when I can finally hit off some turf will be very interesting to see my ball flight. May have to get refitted. BTW the new irons are Mizuno 923 hm with 64 gram f3 recoil shafts.
Thanks for sharing. Hopefully the weather starts to improve soon so you can put some good practice in. If we can be of any help please don’t hesitate to drop the studio a call on 01932 977777
Very interesting thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Very very informative great video...
Thanks Phillip 👍🏻
Weight and swing weight is king, I usually swing around 113-120 something with my play driver and fitter assume I swing fast, so he gave me an X-Stiff flex and I absolutely hate the feel of the club and shaft, it's simply doesn't feel good or confidence building to me.
Stiff tip with huge heavy head makes me have a hard time closing and squaring the face.
I have smoother deliver but fast swing not the type that load the shaft in a traditional way.
I'm so used to do well with Stiff or even Regular flex shaft so I knew there are more to this than just gave a fast swinger a high kick X stiff shaft have a feel of swinging a metal pole.
So many fitters do not put in the customer's feel, preference and feedback, they can get too obsessed in the numbers and performance on paper and screen that if the club feels garbage or make you feel tired after testing them a short time then it's not the right combination.
You are absolutely spot on - you have to take into account HOW someone generates their speed and what feel they like and then you can tune it all together. The bad old ways of high speed needing a heavy x-stiff shaft should be behind us but sadly many fitters still go down this route.
Super video Simon, wonderful insight!! Keep them coming guys!
With overlength clubs the swingeight goes up which compensates for the lighter shaft. The longer length makes the club swing heavier than it would at standard length.
Don’t mistake swingweight and deadweight being interchangeable - a heavy swingweight on an over length but light shaft can be very detached as it exaggerates the feel of the head so will not compensate for a light shaft
In my case, of relatively slow speed of swing ~92 m/h, the weight of the shaft doesn't make any difference. I swing all shaft weights with the approximately same speed and achieve the same distance. It seams illogical but it is that what it is, I believe there must be a lot of some compensation involved. Actually I preferer heavier shafts that are much more consistent for me in the left , right distribution.
You do find players who “normalise” their timing no matter what they swing but there will be a weight which gives the best and most natural synchronisation which will minimise variables. Ultimately whatever feels most natural and simple is likely to be the best for you!
This is so true. I’m not a great golfer. Only playing my second summer. But I got myself some t100’s with nice heavy extra stuff shafts which are supposed to be much harder to hit with, way less forgiving and yet I shaved off 10 swings on 9 holes my first time playing with them.
Theory is great but it is only theory! What works in practice is the most important thing and being a relatively new golfer does not mean a heavy and stable set up is wrong. Great improvement in scoring!
Thank you for this video! I really like your wording where you talk about you overpowering the club cuz that's exactly what I feel with my current clubs. That is a great way to think of it in terms of even trying to fit myself which I will go to a professional fitter as well but even just understanding when I'm overpowering a club versus if it's overpowering me. Great concept thank you
Really glad it was useful and thanks for watching!
Maybe that's why my tour edge 3 wood with the air speeder 40 shaft is my favorite club to hit. I never miss-hit with that club.
It is a light shaft but a good one
I am playing AMT Black stiff shafts which vary in weight throughout my set of Titleist t200 irons. These shafts start at 95 grams in my 4-iron and progress to 116 grams in my pitching wedge. I have 125 gram shafts in my gap wedges and sand wedge. What you’ve demonstrated to me in this video has me concerned about my set up. I have been fit for irons, twice in my lifetime and neither fitter brought up the issue of shaft weight. Shaft flex was the be all end all. I’ve been playing golf for 50+ years and learn something new every year!
It is something that has become understood much more in recent years and how weight impacts delivery much more than flex (when isolated for performance). We continue to learn but 95g to 125g in your irons is a heck of a lot of weight difference to deal with for sure!
@@Precision_Golf thanks for your reply. I have very little faith in the local club fitters. I have been to several demo days where each of the big golf companies have a representative club fitter/salesman and none of them discuss shaft weight impacting results. They’ll let you swing their clubs, but don’t expect much more than rudimentary knowledge regarding their equipment improving your game.
@@johncirillo9544 sadly that is the standard in this part of the industry
Now I can understand why my iron club face closes too much when I attempt to generate more speed through impact.
Glad it’s helped!
Yes, thank you. Very enlightening, all your videos. You have opened my eyes to how poor my last two fittings (Irons/driver) really were. Big Box store with fancy bays just pushing equipment. Sad thing is you pay for these bad fittings in $$ and ill fitting equipment.
Very true, but hope we can help get you on the right path. Glad you enjoyed the video
This probably explains why I tend to miss my irons left and my woods and driver right. My irons shafts are AMT reds.
Hope it’s helped a bit 🤞🏼👍🏼
Wow... Great video. Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Terrific demonstration and very well presented. Thank you.
Thank you Tony, thanks for watching
Very informative. Thank you for willingly to share such in-depth knowledge.
Glad it was helpful!
Super informative.. Long time user of dg 130s as grew up with them but now nearing 50.. and only 80mph 7iron speed.. Have noticed if timing good they are good.. But if im off i see that high right and over draw.. ... Was fitted today up at Titliest for kbs tour v 110 and the dispersion with 10 shots was under 15 feet total and 30 foot total with my DG... The 20 gram makes a big difference..and can now feel the club through the ball so much better.. 👍
Big difference that - sounds like a good option. The bag will be much lighter too!!
@Precision_Golf clubs landed 😊😊 kbs tour v 110 in d2.5 compared to s300in d4. 5 for an 80mph swing... Feels so much better.....why did I wait so long.. 🤣🤣
Amazing! Thank you.
Our pleasure Smith!
Interesting, this is exactly what I experienced when I switched from 105g to 130g shafts. I had to relearn my tempo to get the club back to square at impact, but it feels a lot more solid now than before.
Thanks for watching and glad it made sense. Hopefully the clubs are playing well for you
Interesting. I just bought some irons used for my brother and took them to the course to give them a try. My irons are Nippon 850 GH R (roughly 85 grams or so - maybe a bit less) and these new ones are TT Elevate 95 Stiff (95-ish grams). Same heads in both: PXG 0211 ST blades. I was expecting to need to muscle them a bit to square the face (my 7-iron speed is right around 78 mph), but they felt absolutely fine. In fact, my timing seemed better, especially with the longer irons.
Thank you for this video! What a great explanation ….makes perfect sense now. Much appreciated and just became a subscriber!
Welcome aboard and thank you 👍🏻
Excellent video Simon - soon very soon I must come for that long awaited fitting - keep them coming - ideally GRIP SIZE and impact video soon - best alan
Good one Al, consider it on list of things to film. See you soon. James
fantastic vid, and FWIW i've noticed the same thing in my own swing. I don't swing very fast (i'm in my 50's, i'm an avid golfer, i'm about a 3 handicap, and my driver swing is around 100-102 mph). But the sweet spot weight of a driver shaft for me is about 60-65 grams. The ultralight shafts completely throw my timing off. I eventually deduced it, through trial and error (buying various shafts is somewhat easy nowadays with the ability to change them out and eBay). It convinced me to educate myself over these sorts of things rather than trust just any fitter. Of course there's no way i'd know as much as a great fitter, but how do you ever know if you've got a guy fitting you of that caliber? In any case, great vid, and i'm definitely a new subscriber!
Many thanks and greatly appreciated. Ultimately the only way to know is whether there is a logic to the progression through the fitting process that they can explain why they are testing with particular head and shaft combinations. As long as they can explain the options, what the characteristics are and why they are being used then that should stand you in good stead!
Great video 👍 really interesting 👍
Interesting! Very well explained 👍
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
The only club fitter I will trust it make so much sense!!😃⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thank you!
makes sense. I went from a 115g steel to 95g graphite in my irons and it helped quite a bit as I'm getting older. Much better control w/the lighter shaft. In the past, a heavier shaft was better.
I think we’ve all been through the play as heavy as possible and as you’ve found more recently lighter is now more enjoyable. Thanks for watching.
This all makes sense. I had steel shafted irons but felt they were too heavy and got tired during the round. (Age 72). So I switched to graphite. Now I know why I miss left. I can't feel the head and my timing is way off. I was fitted but they are not always right.
It could be a case of needing a heavier swingweight too so try adding 2 grams or so of lead tape to the heads to see if that helps
Concise , informative and well presented 👍.
I counter balance my putter , my wedges are the same s/w as my irons which are reg r300’s but i also game a 5i tmb which is an s300 . I have for some time felt more connected with this club , it gaps well in my bag and i dont hit the standard ap2 any shorter or longer but i can hook the ap2 5 i, ive often wondered if its the weight difference hence this visit .
Im going to investigate further 👍
Thank you - glad you liked it and I hope it helps with your game too
wow Thats very interesting. Its always been focus on flex = very informative !!
Thanks for watching Kentg1864, yes weight is often that last thing people this of but obviously so key
My current clubs are mostly cheap and lighter in weight...,$500 for the whole set when I bought them about a dozen years ago. I finally started using them a lot this year. I clearly notice the difference in weight between those irons....and new Cleveland wedges I recently bought. Once I can afford new irons, I'm sure I will see a nice difference. In the meantime, they're good clubs to learn the game with.
Absolutely and thank you for watching!
I am 6ft build, quite athletic and i am using a KBS shaft 102g in my irons and I do tend to pull shots like you displayed with the lighter shaft. This is interesting ! I am in need of heavier shafts potentially as i struggle to control with my club head speed being 95+
Sounds likely, however it could also be balance point as the KBS shafts are not overly tip balanced. If you can get somewhere to test out the options then you will be able to dial in to the best option
This helps alot, playing a reg 95g shaft. Believe I do probably need a stiffer shaft as my SS is a bit high for Regs. I thought it was all purely Stiffness related becuz I hit large draws and hooks and its rather rare for me to get it square and hit a nice straight shot. Sometimes toe strikes are only way a can not go left.
Once you dial into the physics of what is actually happening and what can really influence shot shape it tends to make sense. It could be balance point and/or weight as well as swing path
I swing my driver at 98mph so fit between reg and stiff however I agree that weight has a bigger effect on flight. I like 60g but do play a 70g for lower flight in windy dry conditions. I tried a 50g but balloons in driver. The heavier weight is more stable for straighter shots.
It’s definitely a balance that an experienced fitter will find. The optimal weight window really is only a few grams.
@@Precision_Golf Definitely requires some trial and error and Ive found in driver that different shafts suit different heads regardless of weight. I do prefer a CB shaft too.
I have 50g in my fairway woods for more height and 120g in my irons for control.
Cheers from Oz..
I tend to hit the ball left to right with the 55 gram and get almost zero roll on my drives. I like the light weight but wonder if the 65 or 70 will help hit lower and get roll?
Brilliantly explained. Thanks
You’re welcome Clinton
I sometimes FEEL like with a heavier shaft, i attack the ball a little more from the inside. Ive tried the dynamic gold x100, and tried the 120g version x100....with the normal version more of a draw is present, and having seen this video, it makes sense as to why
That certainly would make sense James.
Very insightful! THANKS!
Glad it was helpful!
A brilliant explanation and very well delivered. Excellent stuff.
Thank you kindly!
very informative, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Glad you enjoyed it
Enlightening. Thankyou.
Interesting topic, shaft weight! To prove your point you switched to a lighter and a heavier shaft weight with the same club head. But should you have remeasured the swing weight and adjust it accordingly to your original clubs' swing weight? So the feel of the club is the same during the swing.
When you change shaft weight a by-product is that swingweight changes too - just matching the swingweight would not have made them feel the same to swing and the purpose of the test was to show what solely changing that one parameter does. To match swingweight we would have had to change head weight so two parameters would have been altered, which would have then meant any performance change might not have been directly attributed to the change in shaft weight.
Excellent! Learned something new, getting fitted in a couple weeks this info will be useful.. why does it seem like all the really good golf instructions and technical information is coming from UK, Europe guys?
I’ve got a great idea. Family holiday to London and a day trip to the suburbs to see us 👍🏻😂
Hi all your videos are explained with excellent clarity- could you please post a practical case study that you fitted for your clients , asking this as the information or feedback the candidate might have provided while experimenting with different shaft weights etc could be helpful, since in this video the comments and feedback are your very own and you already know what shaft you are used too ,might unconsciously swing with a slight variation knowing that the shafts are changed- cheers
We’ll certainly look at trying to do this. Thanks for the suggestion
Interesting I ran into this video. With the newer drivers they are coming with very light shafts. My Ping G400 has a stock 55 gram shaft stiff. Everything goes left I just can’t feel the shaft weight.😮My pryer driver The Ping G400 had an after market 65 gram shaft. I hit it so much more consistent.
I am going to try a heavier shaft first before I go from Stiff to and R flex.
Hi Pedro. Many thanks for your message and sharing your experience. We hope it works out for you.
Hmmm, so my progressive weighted AMT Black shafts could be the cause of my erratic dispersion throughout the iron set?
Almost all iron shafts progress weight through the set however the AMT do progress weight much more aggressively. Whilst the principle seems good in practice they can get too light in long irons or too heavy in short irons and that can make consistent timing hard to achieve through the set
Great vid, full of interesting content. I just found this out after trying light shafts, ie, 105 gram shaft, balls were pulled left....Then tried 132g DG s400 Tour, balls went right. I think if i bent the heads 1 deg upright, that may fix the issue as the heavy shaft had better timing and power..
It will help a bit but there is 27g between the two. I would also try the DG 120 if you are able to as if the DG S400 are going right then they could be too heavy
@@Precision_Golf Thanks for your advice.. I wil try your recommended shaft weight.. cheers.
I play xstiff or txstiff In irons but prefer lighter driver shaft. It is not about shaft weight it is more about preference and kick/bend profiles…
Glad you have found what works for you. Thanks for watching.
Succinct and clear explanation.
Thank you muchly
I discovered this first hand. I randomly bought some Mavrik irons with 95 gram steel (and loved them). Like an idiot I had some 85 gram graphites loaded up and I could barely hit the ball. Thankfully I only reshafted 2 of my clubs, one of which was the same head from a demo club, the other sadly was my original 8 iron. I was luckily able to find the same club with the same shaft and I am back to striking it well.
If you have some irons you can hit well, do not switch them out if you are a mid to high handicap, absolutely not worth it if you are striking them well.
Sadly it is normally the case that we find out the hard way! Glad you could rectify it
Great Vid... Great explanation!
Thanks so much. Glad you’re enjoying the content.
Excellent video 👍
Thank you Eugene
Any chance you can do this same video but with a driver?
Great video, really enlightening. So are we to understand that all shafts should be consistent weight from driver to wedge?
No, they will generally need to increase in weight as you move down the bag and as club lengths shorten
Quality content as always, thanks for sharing
Thank you Alista
I went from KBS Tour 130x to c taper lite 115 and wow was that a weird feeling. Started missing everything left. I thought I was going to get more ball speed, lower flight, less spin but it seemed to be the opposite for me. Will be switching back to my tours.
The theory of how the shaft is designed is great but in practice if it does not swing correctly for you the control and consistency just disappears as you found. Hope you get switched back soon!
Wow - this was a very good explanation, clearly highlighting the importance and impact of shaft weight. Really an eye-opener for me. 🧐
It does actually fit quite well with my experience being fit for new Mizuno irons a couple of months ago. I used to play Callaway Apex 14 with graphite Recoil 660 F3 shafts, and got fit to steel KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff 110! That is going from a 71g regular shaft to a 110g stiff!! 😮
The Mizuno shaft fitting device had that as one of the top 5 shafts for my swing - the existig shaft I had was almost at the bottom at 0,8/5 rating! Going into the fitting, I actually thought, that I had to have an even lighter shaft, possibly graphite senior flex (I'm 55 years old). I was initially very sceptical about the shafts presented to me, but the results were indisputable.
With the new Irons, I litterally hit the mid irons 15-18 meters longer (7i 130-133 vs 145-150ish carry) among many other good things, like feeling of control, accuracy, ability to just put a smooth unforced swing to the ball etc.
Getting back to your video here - I beleive the difference made was from changing a 71g 🪶shaft to a 110g 🏋♀. Thanks to your video here, now I finally understand why it actually helped my swing. Thank you! 🙏
So glad we could help clear up why you saw such a good difference and great to hear your experience. The hard bit for you must have been getting used to the new yardages!!
@@Precision_Golf Thanks for the reply 😃It certainly was a big change to take in so far, but being winter here in Denmark, it has been confined to the 1-2 rounds per week in our brilliant local indoor Trackman center (but I did carry past a few greens in the start - luckily the balls doesn't get lost indoors 😂).
However, playing the indoor Tracman is also how I have been able to very precicely see the differences in carry 🤓. Also put in extra training sessions there as well to adjust.
I will definitely need to completely reset my default iron choices when getting back outside - will be interesting to compare my Arccos numbers after the first 10 rounds. At least I have had the "indoor season" to partly adjust to my 'new' game 😅
Keep up your good content 👍
Love how you set up the iron to the ball 😂😂
Not orthodox but also not something that was conscious either!
bought 2nd hand set of irons with KBS stiff having tried one But i had tried 105g and bought 120g not thinking there could be to weights called stiff! Hit em straight low but short! At least ive now got something to blame! Im old but strong think i must muscle it through impact
It can be confusing!
What a brilliant video 👏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻
Your explanation sounds good, but when does a left miss equate to the club lie angle and not shaft weight? I use Ping clubs with a green dot (2 degrees upright). For a long time I had a bad slice. As my swing is improving, I'm finding that I am fighting a consistent left miss. I sent the clubs in and had them changed from green to blue dot (now 1 degree upright). I'm still missing left but not as much. I also use a light weight graphite shaft in my irons. I'm thinking about new irons because I'm looking for more spin, so this is an interesting thought. What is the clue that says it is shaft weight and not lie angle? I practice with a launch monitor that gives me club and ball data.
Shaft weight will dictate base connection and timing between the player and the club, lie angle will only affect face angle and gearing of spin at the point of impact rather than the timing of the swing. Both are a factor in dispersion but the lie will affect overall consistency of strike and general shot pattern far less unless it is a long way off. For you it is more likely
The light weight graphite is the issue, especially having had the lies adjusted flatter already.
Have you had anyone stiff in irons & senior in driver ? Had a play today & could really feel the head in driver
Very few would suit that combo as the feel would be very different as well as proportionate weight would have to drop off heavily into the woods but it is not pot if the question with shafts like the TPT and Autoflex
@@Precision_Golf would you think I preferred the weight of the senior & that’s what I noticed more ?
This all fits with my experience(tinkering)😊
Tinkering too much Andy can also affect your eye sight! 😂 thank you for following.
Brilliant video! Thank you very much. I just found you yesterday, and love your explanations. Seems to me that this, along with proper grip size, is indeed very important. I live in Canada and unfortunately, cannot come to see you. I have a set of Ben Hogan Apex F.T.X (3-SW irons with Apex 3 shafts) that I just acquired and would like to set them up correctly for me as I am committed to using them. Can you suggest how I would go about this (there is a well-regarded fitter nearby)? I hit the E wedge 135, and the 7 iron 160-170 (standard grips still) and I like the Golf Pride midsize MCC PLUS 4 grips on my other irons. Kind regards, Kevin
Hi Kevin.
Thank you so much for your kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video. The only people we can vouch to fit the way we fit in North America/Canada are the guys at CoolClubs.
Understood, thank you for your reply.
I swear on this.. I used to swing a dynamic gold s300 which I think weighs around 130grms and my typical miss was right. I somehow got fitted with a 105grm shaft and I’m now pull hooking every other shot
Absolutely, there is a 25g difference which is pretty significant
Gentlemen, we need to send this fine display of knowledge to our golfing buddies. This video needs a million views!
1 million views, and we shall buy the drinks!😄We really appreciate your comment, thanks for watching. Check out the latest LIVE fitting we did today, Simon fitting himself for his first new driver in 7 years 👍🏻
A lot of those world champ long distsnce chsmpions use SR flex with super lightweight shafts
This is due to the actual and effective torque are very similar in TPT shafts, unlike others in this category
Good stuff! How about increasing shaft weight vs increasing head weight? I had an iron fitting elsewhere and in that I prefered swinging a heavier shaft (as the stock head weight was all that was offered), but wonder if a lighter shafter together with some lead on the head may have benefits
Both have merits depending on the player - some players benefit from having extra shaft weight to drive against in transition, others benefit from a heavier head on a lighter shaft. The more aggressive the move in principle the heavier shaft will be better, the head weight is more about helping to time the strike/hand action.
So lets say you find the perfect weight, then how do you know what flex to use?
Good for irons , but the driver needs more speed? You can retrain your body to adjust for the lighter weights? I have found that lighter with good flex = more distance?
Why would you retrain to suit the club, it should always be the other way round otherwise you just compromise your timing in another part of the bag. Too light means you cannot build speed naturally and lose timing therefore you have to back off to regain control
Does swing speed make a difference? Or the strength of the player? Stronger does not always equal faster.
Strength invariably makes a difference and often reflected in swing speed after the fit; improved synergy of weight and golfer will make for more speed. 😊
Just bought some extra weights for my driver and a +10 gram shaft for this reason. I've gained some strength and speed in training and it seems more left misses as well, unfortunately. We'll see how it goes.
I was fitted for 110 gram steelfiber in irons...any idea what my fairway woods and hybrids should be...I play 6x velocore tr in driver. thnx
Hi Derek. Sadly completely guesswork. I play Steelfibre CW i110S in irons, Ventus Blue 5S in Driver, Devotion 7 HB in FWs and GD DI 85S in Hyb but you could need something completely different. It’s about speed/load/feel/flight preference, everyone is unique. James
Great video. Absolutely fact. I started golf with the latest technology which consisted of steel driver shafts and persimmon heads. Today my driver has a 45 gram graphite shaft. I just can't swing a heavy club anymore.
Many thanks. I remember those days as a junior starting with persimmon woods with steel shafts too - taught you to find the middle of the club!! You’re spot on about the weight though as it is a case of physically being able to move the club at speed and retain balance and control or not being able to no matter what other characteristics the shaft has.