Oculus Rift S VR Headset Review!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- We test and review the new Oculus Rift S virtual reality headset, which replaces the original Oculus Rift and Touch controllers. Here's how the new display looks, how well the inside-out tracking system works, and the range of motion for the new controllers. Plus, Jeremy makes a D-I-Y solution to adding quality headphones to the Rift S with a 3D printed mount.
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Jeremy comes to the rescue with 3D printed mounts for the original Rift headphones! What a legend! Printing now []-)
Now I have to buy a 3d printer just to get quality sound on my Rift S! I think I will just plug my desktop speakers into the Rift S audio jack.
@@briank3754 Actually that might be a good idea. I got 5.2.2 Dolby Atmos Surround. Maybe it makes more sense to use that then the rift s onboard sound.
@@briank3754 You don't have to, you can buy the ones made for the PSVR by Bionik.
@Zatoichi Bionik BNK-9007 Mantis Headphone for Playstation VR www.amazon.com/dp/B0735X5M4X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FdX0CbYNQ4ASX
Leweise these are confirmed to also work on the rift s? I could just buy these and mount them on rift s as is and they work?
The coolest thing for me is they spent practically no time discussing any issues with the inside-out tracking. The fact that we've gotten that stuff feeling so good without concrete permanent external sensors is so damn awesome.
Well if you want to play FPS games the tracking will leave you disappointed since aiming the guns requires occluding the far hand from the cameras.
@@TheFlamingChalupa I was worried about that but then I saw where the sensors are located. I dont think it should be a problem.
@@TheFlamingChalupa yeah, and playing things like archery games where you put your hand behind your head to pick up arrows or maybe even picking a sword from your back won't work either. :(
I always expected that if you rotated too fast it would simply lose track of you, but then I learnt that constellation actually just tracked changes in movement and didn't have any means of giving you an absolute location either, so it really is just as good as long as your room is consistent
@@TUTAMKHAMON judge when it comes out. speculation does not contain merit.
Legend has it that Oculas go controller is still rocking to this day.
I just noticed it lol WTF!
I saw like 10-20 different reviews of the Oculus Rift S and this one was the best by far, keep up the good work!
Watch the Oculus Go remote that’s sitting on the table.
Tested is Haunted. Confirmed.
whoa.... that's freaky. Good catch.
Reminds me of Ghostbusters II with the slime.
The back of it is curved and when they rest their hands on the table it shakes the table slightly making the controller wobble. MythBusted
@@Blaze2k we aint buying it, agent smith.
It's the Oculus Gost!
Its easy to test how good is controller tracking around yourself. Open Tilt-brush and start drawing around you with your brush and then look what you have painted.
Being a rift owner, I appreciate the fact that oculus is working to make good affordable headsets, it's a great way to get more people into vr. This being said I think my next headset will be an index, it just feels like the next generation as it is better in every way. I'm one of those crazy people who are willing to spent a lot of money on a fun hobby (I preordered the original rift). Also I am definitely going to keep my rift because in the future I will be able to show my kids a piece of history, much like how my parents showed me old Nintendo games and what not.
The Go’s Controller rocking back and forth is driving me nuts
Now I can't unsee it, thanks...
It's jealous of the Oculus Quest.
It's a feature.
wow I cant unsee it
lmao I hadn't noticed it
So thankful that this channel exists. I'll be keeping my rift and upgrade with the 2.0 eventually comes out. Thanks guys!
I was so curious and was expecting a 2.0 but looks like the Half Dome Prototype is still in development. But nevertheless, Rift S has fixed most of my problems in the Rift CV1. Gonna get all of em
@@darkshadow7709 I feel like half dome is 2022 product and they are on 3 year refresh cycles. (2016/2019/2022) also it sounds like all the necessary components to get half dome at a reasonable price means we might get it at 2022, but it will not have some of the touted features like the variable focus, otherwise it might cost a grand given how all these non mechanical headsets are creeping over a thousand bucks for just better screens and lenses.
@@elev8dity I agree 100%
Always like how Jeremy says, "and I'm Jeremy from TESted" as if Norm said it wrong or he's from somewhere else haha
haha you're right
There's the little head tilt too to emphasize it.
Haha, yeees! :)
I've noticed this as well. Personally I think it makes way more sense than when Norm co-hosts with others who don't do this. Jeremy gives the intro a conclusion. Others sometimes make it sound like it's awkwardly trailing off...
lmao
The best, most comprehensive review of the Rift S. Well done, lads.
They are only talking about the Oculus Rift S and the quest, so the oculus go controller is constantly moving back and forth to remind them that it still exists
I just bought my first VR set and I chose the Oculus Rift S, yep I'm all new to this😑 thanks for posting I'm all ears.👀
For those that don't have a 3D printer, or don't want to go through the hassle, you should pick up a pair of Koss KSC75s. Cheap, amazing sound, and just slip over your ears. They are super comfortable and don't have a headband so you could use them with the Rift S.
Thank you kind stranger! :D
U still have to put it on seperately right, its not mounted to the rift s
@@jessett7827 Correct. Unfortunately. But definitely a better experience than dealing with the crappy stock audio solution.
Would you happen to know how bad the sound is compared to the CV1? I just bought the S today and am very curious
@@E55666 after trying the S I would say it's not even close. The CV1 actually had surprisingly competent audio. I guess I'd take the S audio over nothing, but it's basically unusable Imo. Headphones or an audio solution is a necessity.
Pre-ordered as soon as it became available! Built myself a capable gaming PC over Christmas.
Will be my first VR headset!
LIshoot just upgrades a bit as well, I'm in the same boat as u regarding first headset, I'm interested in this, my friend works for oculus and said he finally just tried it and compared to his older rift he's blown away with how much sharper it is...I'll be testing it soon enough lol
Share the specs from your pc!
I bought a 2k$ pc 2 years ago for vr gaming but only now get a vr headset lol
Thanks for talking specifically about echo 😊 This was my main question 😊
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Thanks for the in depth review. But, I dont understand the comparisons to Quest here and on other reviews of the RIft S. These are two distinct products for two distinct audiences. VR for me is flight sim, DCS, and Project Cars 2. For others, they may be happy just doing 30 minutes of Beat Saber on the quest and putting the headset away. I do understand the confusion on pricing and I have to agree that the Quest at $400 with the processing built in etc... is the same price as the Rift S is a bit confusing. The price of the Quest has no bearing on which headset to get though. The Quest simply doesnt fulfill my VR needs. I cant imaging playing games on a Snapdragon Processor is even close to the experience you would get with a GTX1080ti or even a GTX 1060 on a laptop. Furthermore, the Quest doesnt support desktop/laptop applications such as flight sim.
The RIft S is a little disappointing, especially the audio as you mentioned. Coming from a Oculus CV1, I still feel like the overall experince will be improved and thankfully external sensors are a thing of the past on the Rift S. Both the Valve Index and RIft S are on order. The Index is going to be my heavy hitter permanently tethered to the desktop (with sensors unfortunately). My Rift S is going to be for my laptop, so I can set it up with my kids in a larger space and play VR only titles and room scale games. This is something that wasnt feasible with the original rift. Looking forward to both headsets and hope they are as good as advertised.
I hated the 3 sensors set up from the original Rift so incredibly much. I always had issues with it. That was my main reason to sell my old rift and get the Rift S. Which turned out to be basically a free "upgrade".
yeah i felt like i had to constantly recalibrate sensors, i use a small space, so furniture blocks some floor space. there's kids here so passthrough is a big help. just sold my old rift gonna snag the rift s
@@king24lakerskobeI eventually just gave up on trying to always re-setup the guardian system, so I turned it off. Which was sometimes a bad idea. On top of that, having a USB cable running across my floor to the other sensor next to my TV (just waiting for it to smash into the TV by my 1 year old). It was multiple bad accidents waiting to happen. These sensors are only good for permanent setups with the room designed around them.
Did your hands do little jumps when tracking was passed from one sensor to the other? I've mentioned it in comments and most people acted like they didn't know what I was talking about.
nothing to see here if you're already on OG Vive or Rift. Still interesting tho. Can't wait to get my hands on Index.
@Lightbringer lol, yeah i know its not ideal, but honestly once im in most games immersed it doesnt bother me so much. It does suck for things in the distance. Will give ya that. I feel like you might be being sarcastic tho
@Lightbringer you should get an index then
It depends on your situation. If you have multiple users (kids) and dont have room to play roomscale type games then the RIft S is a massive upgrade even without considering improved resolution and visual clairity. Good bye sensors! The ability to keep my Rift S hooked up to my laptop in my living room makes it a winner over the original. Although I will admit I ordered the Index as well. Truly I feel that will be a substantial improvement over the OG RIft without any compromises. But yes, my orginal Rift was a good piece of kit and I enjoyed a great deal for flight sim and Project Cars 2.
I've owned all Oculus devices and have the S on order. I'll be buying again in 3 years. I considered other companies, but at $400, this is much better deal than $1k for the other systems. I can live with this for a few years. Next gen should be amazing, if they go by the cell phone evolution rate. Elite Dangerous was too difficult with the earlier models. I constantly needed to see my keyboard. Hope this solves that problem.
The Rift S is supposed to replace the Rift, so why does everything feel like a compromise in comparison? Compromised tracking, refresh rate, lens adjustment, audio. This isn't supposed to be the budget option, it's supposed to be their flagship headset.
Rift S is not a replacement. Oculus has stated this many times. It's a refresh, not an upgrade of any kind.
Facebook is taking on compromises to get to their goal of getting VR in a million homes.
Also, the Rift S is technically not a Oculus product, it's Lenovo's kit.
The Rift S also is NOT thier flagship product, nor is it intended to be.
They are supposedly still working on a next Rift product, but after seeing Brendan Iribe and his team leave in the middle of making that kit becasue facebook wanted to focus on mainstream VR, we don't know if a decent high-end kit will come. If it does, it won't be anytime soon. They have scrapped Bredan's project.
Yea, I'm not sure why they would release two budget builds at the same price point. I understand that inside-out tracking has huge appeal for a lot of people, I can see going that route. But why not make everything else premium? It feels like with just 2 or 3 small differences (great on-board headphones, 90hz OLED panels with IPD adjustment, Yaw adjustment) they would have had a massive winner on their hands.
By Oculus' own numbers, 80% of Rift owners only used 2 sensors. So for a vast major of existing and incoming owners, they'll have that equivalent 3 sensor setup out of the box. And because it won't have USB bandwidth issues, it'll be room-scale without needing that computer techie knowledge to fix the USB errors.
$400 is still a lot of money, and this is not a budget option. This is the middle mainstream headset backed up with the best VR content.
Increased resolution, video pass through, single USB and display port, and the halo headband do not feel like a compromise in comparison to the Rift CV1. I understand it's not everything you'd hoped, but saying that everything feels like a compromise isn't true and you know it.
How is anything compromised? If you have abnormally wide eyes I'll give you that....but everything else is a major upgrade.
I always watch your vids because of your honesty....never change.....oh and your super smart and thorough too, bonus points
I'm encouraged by this. As a long haul truck driver VR is tough for me to get into. I got the psvr (my only vr experience at this point not counting the virtual boy many, many years ago) but using it on the truck is difficult due to the limited space and standing 8' from the camera being impossible. Original rift and vive were out of the question with their need for multiple cameras or sensors. I'm going to see how small a space this will work in. Also concerned with marking the boundaries. While I have lots of head room and arm room, my floor space is limited due to the seats, cabinets, and bunk behind me. I'm hoping this can be overcome for controller tracking. Cables won't be an issue as I can have my laptop on the top bunk behind me so the wire will hang down from above and never really touch the floor. Here's hoping for a good experience.
Inside out had been around for over 2 years now with mixed reality goggles. You 2 make it sound like it's something new.
15:00 to test this more accurately you could get into a game and grab some long object (like a sword) and then hold the controller behind you pointing the object in your fov to see where it stops positional tracking
As a current rift owner I'm going with the Quest, so I can bring 6dof VR anywhere with me. That to me is far more valuable than whatever upgrades the rift s offers. I'll keep the original rift for PC only VR
So recently I got my Rift S shipped from Amazon to my office in 3 days time (fantastic job for UPS to ship it all the way from US to HK over the weekend at that speed). I own the OG Rift for a few years now, bought that a year before the touch controllers were even announced, and with a crazy price like £499 which was the cheapest option for the time. When the touch controllers came out they were like £200 for 2 controllers & 2 cameras, then when the holiday seasons approached, Oculus started to sell the Rift & controllers as a bundle at still £499. Days gone and the price keeps coming down, and it's still £200 to get just the controllers & cameras set which I really can't justify the price, and tbh the cameras setup to get the room-scale experience is just too troublesome for me to pay for that amount of money. Thus, my OG Rift was only used with keyboard & mouse & gamepad for watching videos like I have a private IMAX, play some racing games, and do some development work.
The Rift S came out, great inside-out tracking, with controllers bundled, and a higher res screen with much less screen-door effect, at just $399. It's a great deal for me. Don't have to fuss with all the cables but still maintain a very accurate tracking on hands & head movement, it's huge improvement over the OG Rift for me as it's much easier to setup across different locations. I know there're many WMR headsets out there also using inside-out tracking with an affordable price as well but to be fair the software of WMR was just trash, at least until they've adopt SteamVR, not sure how the WMR side is doing tho. The Oculus Home is designed so well. Can't say it's completely bug free but definitely a finished product with high quality. That's another factor for me to keep staying in team Oculus. If someone is struggling between getting a WMR headset or a Oculus or even a Valve / HTC headset, go for the latter two, the money you're paying isn't only about the hardware, the software as well. Without a good software, there's no chance you can have enjoyable experience no matter how good the hardware is.
To me, the Oculus Rift S is a complete product. It's well priced, not cheap but affordable, with reasonable spec to enjoy the joy of full PCVR experience (it's an all-rounded improvement over the OG Rift, except the speakers), and well designed software to support the hardware they've got. It's good entry point for people who wanna get into the VR world, even better than the Quest I'd say (the Quest feels like more or less a gen 1 product to test the market feedback). On paper it's not anything impressive, but after some analysis, it's the most ready one. I wish they could release a premium headband as optional accessory with better SQ (maybe use the speakers on OG Rift) and replaceable pads to buy tho. Not saying the SQ on Rift S is trash, I still use the built-in speakers and it's good enough for me to play BS at home, but I'm living on my own so my house is fairly quiet, and there's no doubt the SQ on OG Rift is a hell lot better.
I can see folks passing if they own CV1, but I bought CV1 in Feb, and sold for 600! Rift S wins hands down from a usability perspective. I found the Rift to be uncomfortable, lots of face pressure, and the sweet spot was always sliding around. Granted I have a very narrow IPD and my eyes are deeper set, so I'm a bit worried Rift S won't be great either. But overall, this headset tackles a lot of my desired upgrades after a month of experience with the CV1 Rift. Reduced god-rays, sharper image, wider sweet spot with better lenses, and NO PIA external sensors! Pass-through looks like a huge usability upgrade - one that this review simultaneously praises as a huge feature, but also says isn't worth upgrading over. Passthrough seems like a pretty huge upgrade to me - at least I can tell my wife she'll never know when I can actually see her trying to laugh at me in VR ;-)
Ordered mines yesterday! Just gotta wait for the 6th to pick it up I'm excited to try out my first VR.
D Man I’m gonna get one for my birthday hyped to play vader immortal
Sold my Rift for the S. Worth it to me since the SDE just kept bothering me more and more I quit using my Rift. I am dissapointed with their audio solution though. With all things considered the S is the winner overall with the latest crop of new headsets. No HMD out there gets everything right, or even most it seems right now. I don't want WMR tracking/controls. I don't want to deal with external devices anymore. I don't want a high price tag. I don't want specs that require the highest tier PC hardware.
That was probably a bad idea. I would have kept both and compared first. You will most likely end up regretting it.
The only headset on the market tracked externally is the original Rift.
They’re for different use cases. A computer with beefy hardware will always be able to out perform an all in one headset with limited specs and battery life.
I'm going to as well. Worth it to lose the wires, God rays and screen door effect.
@@FarrelClement ...and the Pimax, Vive Pro, original Vive, and Valve Index.
Great review... and so impressed that you guys not only identified and explained the audio issue but created a solution for it! Now why the hell did oculus remove what are really decent and affordable headphones is a real mystery.
So they can sell a solution after launch, of course!
Out of all the people who do electronics reviews, I have to say you guys are my favorite!!
I wish I had enough money
And enough space in my room
And a will to live
Things get better, bro. We can only take life one step at a time.
Nah mate, end it now.
Maybe we can take the Golden Mile to make you feel better
@@lukeherbst7885 You seem like a trustworthy companion for my pub-to-pub escapades. Maybe with you at my side I shall conquer my other life issues whilst utterly pissed...
I have enough money
And enough space in my room
But still no will to live
LOL at the 3d Printed headphone adapters. On one hand I love it, and on the other hand you REALLY shouldn't have to be doing that.
I'd love to see a roundup video of all these headsets and the pros and cons of each. I got a taste of VR with my DK2 and it was awesome, but since the consumer Rift came out it hasn't been usable and I haven't had the extra money to blow on a new headset. I'm in a slightly better position now and want to get back into it, and having all these options is great. I'd just like to have an easy way of being able to compare and see what I should save up for.
My favourite vr games are Rythm action like beat sabre and Rez infinite etc.... so I’m keeping my Rift as the headphones are brilliant and 3d audio.
Yeah, I agree. The lower quality audio is one of the big reasons that I'm in no rush to pickup the Rift S and sticking with my original Rift.
Using a separate set if headphones or in ear headphones is just inconvenient due to an extra step and most normal headphones don't work with the halo style headband design...
Cool! I've been looking forward to this review
I have tried just about every headset out there currently from the pimax 4k, 5k series to the HP Reverb and the rift s is the bang for the buck winner easily at the moment, all other solutions are either missing stuff (pimax, no controllers, no headphones) or are at least 2x the price making the S at it's price point IMHO the best value in VR right now. There a a couple WMR headsets that are decent for less but overall package, price, ease of use, controllers - everything considered - it's not even really close. I am looking forward to seeing what the cosmos brings.
Good review. About the black levels: a lot of these pro reviewers are missing an important part of most dark and space games (like Elite Dangerous). That's that the God rays are terrible in those games. They can get so bad that it really does break the immersion. I'd rather have a grayish black sky than God rays ANY DAY. I'll definitely be upgrading to the S.
I have a Rift CV1 and was never impressed with the black levels of the OLEDs in that to begin with. I'm definitely interested in seeing what the god rays, screen door effect, and black levels look like in the Rift S.
Rift S is not an upgrade, lol.
EVOLICIOUS It is an upgrade. The Rift S is far better than the CV1. The specs are better other than the refresh rate. The tracking is better (the old tracking was absolute garbage) and you also get a pass through mode which is very useful. The headset is built a lot better with the new halo strap. Audio and the IPD are the only drawbacks but obviously only if your IPD is out of range and in my case it isn’t. Therefore the headset is an upgrade from the CV1. I mean unless you have tried the headset out for you to say such a bland and unexplained point; “rift s is not an upgrade, lol.” then I wouldn’t say anything.
The ultimate goal of virtual reality is immersion. The S does have a higher level of immersion, period. Less screen door, less God rays and more comfort means a higher level of immersion. In that way, the S is certainly and upgrade that is not offset by the loss of a bit of audio quality.
What Oculus was going for was evolution, not revolution. It is a small upgrade to immersion but a huge upgrade in usability, affordability and mass market appeal, which is what VR surely needs. Without a bigger market, there will be no advances. The Index appeals to the hardcore enthusiasts, but without a mass market to fund games and software development, that high end HMD will be nothing but a useless brick on your head.
Reace Mart Totally agree! The oculus rift S will probably be Oculus’ most succeeding product and will be the reason why the VR community grows.
I've searched around the internet a lot, but finally this was the kind of review I was looking for.
Cant wait for Index review tho!
That's what I want
Same, though it won’t be coming until August for those who didn’t preorder instantly
The audio is the reason why I wont update. I was so mad at steam because they did not include inbuilt audio when they released their first headset, but now Oculus is doing the same (kind of). Audio quality is important, why change a working concept!?
Canal Ten Thousand but am Index
@Cole Park I heard that they have terrible sound quality compared to CV1, so why even bother. Sure, you could do as Jeremy and use the headphones from the CV1 with 3D printed clips (if you are able to get your hands on some) but to take this extra step is unappealing for me and feels dumb when Oculus could have sold the Rift S with inbuilt headphones to begin with
All of the positives of a WMR system but better in every way, I think it is what WMR should have been
I'm sure wmr 2 is gonna be better and cheaper
The Rift S is practically a gen 2 WMR kit. MS is still working on bring out gen 2 WMR soon. We'll see if it's as-good or better.
Agreed. All WMR needed was more cameras and they could've taken over VR.
Well, technically all WMR have better resolution displays and run at 90hz rather than 80. The Samsung Oddysy+ in particular has a very significantly superior display, physical IPD adjustment, better audio with quality flip back headphones, and has been on sale for $100 cheaper than the Rift-S. The one most crucial thing that distinguishes the Rift-S from the WMR headsets is simply the extra tracking coverage, making it suitable as a gaming headset. WMR was never aimed at VR gaming, and thus never much needed off screen tracking. It's always been able to play the majority of games well enough, but the narrower frontal tracking coverage was still significant enough a downside to give the gaming market over to the original Rift and Vive despite the extra expense and lower res.
Had one of the initial WMR brands included the extra cameras from the start, it would have likely made the Rift-S redundant before it was born.
Looks like a cost cutting measure to me
This was a very well made review. It tackled everything a consumer should know before they make a purchase. Great job Tested.
I feel like they need to revisit the headset as there has been quite a few updates since its initial release.
Thanks for the trusted tested videos and reviews, loved the Index review, as well as this one. We are finally getting a lot of great headset options at a variety of budget levels, which is great. Rift S is going to be a great headset with its simplified setup for new users. We cant wait to get to go hands on with all of these new headsets!!!
Mainstream VR adoption here we come!!!
The read more button lied to me
can't wait to get mine so glad to get rid of all the sensors now I can actually play elite dangerous without feeling sick and other games while sitting in my chair which was a pain on the old one just trying to tweak it fir one sensor for head track movement
ive had my rift s for a year. i now know you can adjust the front part, thank you
You both lowkey look like you’re roasting the other one in your head while they’re talking
Hp reverb next please, subscribed
Well, plugging in sensors and placing them around your room helps your consideration of your present play space. So I see the comfort, weight, and playspace consideration to hold onto my wired Oculus.
Pretty happy I didn't wait for this and bought an original Oculus with touch for only $240. If you want to get into VR you can't go wrong. Even with the lower res it's still an awesome step into VR.
I like the new headphones. They’re more than transparent, more simplistic, and it doesn’t get in the way of using better headphones. No matter what headphones they put on it, people will complain. Personally I’ll be using my favorite headset most of the time. The only problem I have is how the headband gets in the way. They could have made a thinner/narrow section to allow better over ear compatibility.
Could of put another camera on the back of the head-strap ...
Games where you reach over your back for an arrow, or pull out a sword wont be good.
Welp, looks like I know what I'm spending my next £400 on.
@@mariascholte2071 But it coat €400!
Black levels and audio are worse, but the resolution/tracking and the GOD DAMN GOD RAYS are so much improved that it's well worth it.
This is a no brainer for those who don’t have the rift and those who sold their rifts. Better resolution, Comfort, better faster tracking and ease of setup. Cant wait to play lone echo with is again and lone echo 2 is coming.
I seen today on the app offer up. They were selling the same mounts you made yourself. Using the picture from this RUclips video. It’s crazy someone would rip off ur free idea
but they put the 3d printer file in the description
I'm thinking of getting this when the price drops to 300-350$ as I have never had a headset at home and I really want to not be bothered by graphics. The LCD and 80HZ I can live with. The tracking you said are still great so that's good. But the sound is feeling to me like a game breaker. Only problem is that I cannot afford the 1000$ index which is insane.
I agree, the Rift S is worth $300, not $400.
Index will come down in price in 6-12 months, better to grab a WMR kit in the meantime. O+ keeps getting that $350 sale price, keep an eye out.
@Cole Park That is a great idea, But the bummer that takes the price to at least 450$
I got the Rift S and threw on some clip on on ear headphones from Audio Technica for £20 and have to say I have zero complaints about the system for the price when you compare it to everything else available... Sure its not a upgrade but if you are new to VR the S with its price and convenience is just sublime.
I have been interested in VR for a while. This is perfect for use with a VR compatible laptop!
Just keep in mind that it is DisplayPort, not HDMI, I haven't seen any channels try hdmi to DP adapters, but likely you'll need a laptop with either miniDP or a newer thunderbolt port. (I forget which revision, but newer thunderbolt can directly output DP compatible to an adapter.)
@@caniscerulean VR compatible laptops I've seen do come with DP. Although, since VR is still something relatively new, and what was compatible last year might not be this one, your observation is very relevant.
I was hyped for the index but the price perma-turned me off. I choose the rift s because I don’t want to set up sensors and I’m okay with some compromises to avoid them. Also oculus had some killer exclusives that sealed the deal.
I've been a hardcore Rift user for several years now, but the current path Oculus is taking has actually pushed me to go for the Valve index. I want the highest level of PC VR, and Oculus is not giving that.
Good choice
How so; the index is fundamentally still the same tech, still the same lighthouse sensors, still the same hardware with better lenses and a slightly faster refresh rate.
Just because someone put out some extra specs you consider that being the best on the market? Following that concept, Nintendo that make uber-underpowered devices for decades, should not even be in business.
The rift without any need for sensors is a win; most can't really tell the difference once you pass 80 Hz (science say so; there are a lot of study made with placebo, that did show people having less nausea when it was told them that the refresh rate was higher), and the only improvement is the display tech; which is iterative. If the Index was the same price as the S, then yes, that would be a better purchase, but if you just started with VR, can't really justify 600 dollars more for the Index, compared to the S.
@@fcf8269 The index has low persistence, significant FOV boosts, eye strain and IPD adjustments, much better inbuilt audio, higher quality planels with higher refresh rates. much better lenses, and so on, in addition to the huge potential in the knuckle controllers. You have completely missed key things about the index. Also if you want to go on price, if you already have a vive and are fine with the wands for now then the index is only costing you 499$. 100$ more for massive fov boost,s ipd and lense distance adjustments, vastle superior audio, lowest persistance scene in an HMD (HUGE DEAL), much better lenses and so on. For 100$ more that makes the S seem entirely pointless (if you are happy with a vive). Personally i'm going from a DELL WMR to an INDEX and I am extremely happy to do so.
@@fcf8269 The lighthouse tracking is _the_ primary reason that Index is the only worthwhile option to me. After having gotten used to enjoying full body tracking, going to an integrated camera based tracking system would feel like being paralysed from the waist down. Integrated tracking is convenient, but also a significant comprise in my opinion. When I see people talking about integrated vs external tracking, to me it's often like hearing someone telling an audiophile that his home's surround sound speaker setup looks intrusive and that earbuds are far more practical. If the home gets in the way of the ideal setup, then the home is the problem, not the setup.
The refresh rate tests you are talking about are also based upon watching moving images on a conventional static display. That's an entirely different scenario to VR, where your entire perspective is shifting with every head motion in real time, and with the potential for very dramatic motions. The typical tests where someone watches a bouncing ball or looping run animation, cannot remotely represent this use case scenario. The human brain is exceptionally well wired to notice the slightest inconsistency or latency in this regard. You can refer to Norm's own testimony of how startling the difference was.
Whilst the display upgrade is perfectly fair to call iterative, the field of view boost I would argue is more than that. Going from 110 to 135 is a huge leap when factoring in how it's been accomplished via the innovative dual lens design, keeping the headset compact and without having needed to resort to the "brute force" method that Paimax has had to use with the giant lenses, problematic sweet spot, and obstructively wide hammer head style design. You also can't ignore the controllers.
And ultimately price to value ratio is relative and personal. I spent a little over 2000 hours in VR over the last year, since purchasing my Vive. Based on the cost of £690 to upgrade to Index (I don't need the new lighthouses), If I get the same time value out of the Index and used it for only one year, it would cost me only £0.34 per hour. If the headsets lifespan is two years, then it costs me £0.17 per hour. There are people that spend three times as much every year on takeaway coffee, and think nothing of it.
@@rubberduck8867 If this is worth the extra money for you, go for it; I hear the same arguments from people buying the latest iPhone or iPad; thinking to get the value for their money; but instead, they are not.
As is now, if you have just a computer, you get a full VR experience without sensors with the S model, for 399; while for the Index you need more than twice that. You are stuck with sensors, you can't carry your headset where you want, and this for me is worth more of the mumbo jumbo you read on the specs.
FOV boost is relative; you notice it only until you get used to. Otherwise why people don't buy the 4K HMD at that point? You just need a 2080TI to run it at full throttle. Better FOV, better refresh rate, twice as much resolution...
It make sense if you already have a vive; for everyone else, it does not; unless they have disposable income or just care about specs.
Love the Pinball shirt!! I play regularly in a bunch of leagues and tournaments! Great content as I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my original Rift!
I am also seeing if I should get this or Index.
No mention of the controller tracking with fps games like onward or pavlov thats my biggest concern, the deadspot in front of the hmd when aiming down sights.
ruclips.net/video/FMbgFRCfd2w/видео.html. at 8:39 you can see the issues with tracking in a f.p.s.
Yup, Rift S can't do shooters.
I'm curious as to if oculus will force ESL players to use Rift S at events. If that happens, Onward ESL events are dead.
@@AnungUnRama987 He is using a stock which makes things awkward, im talking about no stock like how most people will play. I have yet to see footage of that.
@@zanewinterborn5216 a majority of people use stocks. And even watching free hand players still got a controller in front and one close. But either way they do need to make a video showing both
Can’t wait till the 21st!!!
I can wait for the Rift 2. I don't understand why the S isn't cheaper nothing was upgraded.
Thanks for all the hand-tracking testing! I am among those who would watch an entire video on that.
Hand tracking loss is my #1 complaint about WMR and the reason I tell people not to buy WMR unless price is their main concern.
I'm with you here. My Levono Explorer is almost unplayable because of tracking and controller issues. Rift S appears to have much better tracking, can't wait to try it out and see.
Moving from original RIft to S, thank you, this video helped a lot!
Absolutely excellent review! Came for the details I wanted to know, and you guys hit it on the head!!
I disagred i played with the Rift s today and the audio is fine I didn't even see a difference from original Rift and quality is better the 80hz isnt noticed at all and tracking is great
yeah I found the audio pretty solid too, shure you wont get the biggest base, but its still solid, especially for newcomers!
Comander555666 would you recommend this to a newcomer I am thinking about buying a vr headset (pc is powerfull enough) but I don’t know which one I should buy.
personally, I found the lack of earphones more immersive than wearing headphones (and more comfy) but I can see why people would want them anyway... I do think the sound would be a little crisper and you wouldn't want that full vol if you're a late night player like me hahaha
My only problem with the rift, the "black and white gray scale" envitoment you see with the pass through. Wish it was color because I like the augmented reality they show at @6:47 . Mostly because I could see myself using it for business applications. I sit at a pc for 8 hours a day for work. I would be cool to use the rift to have a virtural desktop with the pass through.
That's not AR, it's not 3d in the headset, nor are 3d assets fitted to the real world.
@@evolicious Here is a few definitions of AR.
Google's first result: a technology that superimposes a computer-generated image on a user's view of the real world, thus providing a composite view.
Merriam Webster's: an enhanced version of reality created by the use of technology to overlay digital information on an image of something being viewed through a device such as a smartphone camera.
Dictionary.com: an enhanced image or environment as viewed on a screen or other display, produced by overlaying computer-generated images, sounds, or other data on a real-world environment.
Augment.com: a technology that layers computer-generated enhancements atop an existing reality in order to make it more meaningful through the ability to interact with it. AR is developed into apps and used on mobile devices to blend digital components into the real world in such a way that they enhance one another, but can also be told apart easily.
Livescience: Augmented reality is the result of using technology to superimpose information - sounds, images and text - on the world we see.
What is shown here, superimposing stuff on top of an image of the real world falls into the AR category.
The simple solution to the immersion issue on in-ear audio is to have audio passthru settings similar to the existing passthru for video. Simply have a mic on the headset somewhere and adjustable sound passthru settings, and go back to in-ear audio. It's clearly way better for VR.
Brand new to VR and this headset seems exactly what I want! I hope the price will be reduced a bit before I buy. Thanks for the great review, thanks for giving your true opinion and not just bashing it or supporting it. Another thing not mentioned is how much cheaper this is than most others! ($1000 for the index is insane compared to Rift S $400!) :)
Index is far better spe'd out. Rift S is a lower-end PCVR kit.
Index is the highest-end PCVR kit.
Literally "comparing a Ferrari to a Camry" -Norm
Also the Rift S is not priced well at all, you can get a O+ for $350 and it's a far better kit in every way.
Did you not listen to them, they even said the Rift S is not priced well, especially compared to the Quest and what that kit can do.
The price difference between a Mercedes and a Nissan Ultima is insane too.
Now if there was a VR headset that would be unthetered and wirelessly conectable to the pc with inside out tracking and the specs of Valves upcoming Index that would be the one for me.
I think we will have to live with the cable to the PC for a long time to get the pictures from the actual working machine. Otherwise you need a VR headset with a GTX 1080 mounted in front of it or on top of your head :D
Um, the vive or vive pro with the wireless adapter. It's been out for like 8 months..........
I have one myself, it's pretty awesome.
The Index will either support the wigig adapter or Valve will partner with someone that works with 60ghz.
@@evolicious Yeah but you have to spend like what? 2000 with adapter and everything? And it's not one device and does need base stations.
this is my take on the rift s as I am now owner of the headset. Screen door effect is not too noticeable, you have to look for it. Resolution, depending on which games, feels like 1080p or 720p on a normal flat panel since the lenses are so close to your eyes. The "sweet spot" where your eyes adjust for clarity is relatively small, you have to keep your eyes directly looking forward to find it, if you peek at the corners, text is very blurry as well as the image, so it is best to stay looking forward and move your head around instead if you want to focus on something. The IPD adjustment done by software does very little, I can barely notice a difference if the setting is on min or max, what I do is close my left eye, move the headset so the right one is focused, this allows both eyes to focus better. I feel it is best to keep the software IPD to min settings for me. Even with this adjustment, which I have to do every time I slip on the headset... I can still sense I could gain that extra clarity/sync if I had actual physical IPD adjustment. To gain more clarity, it is best to use the physical slider button on the bottom of the headset to pull the lenses closer to your eyes as it helps more. The valve index controllers have an innovative design to allow you to release grip on the controllers completely when not grabbing items, adding to the immersion, BUT, there is a mod from Mamut (roughly $50) that allows rift s controllers to stay on your palms just like the index controllers, it relieves having to hold onto the controllers the entire time, what is missing is that the index controllers have more finger tracking, (you can literally flip people the bird in VR chat), but the value will be based on developer implementation. The usual gestures you get with the rift S controllers are pointing and giving someone a thumbs-up. Tracking is a pretty big issue for me though for the rift S, the cameras have poor detection when the controllers are directly in front of your face, so aiming down the sight for a super accurate shot will make you lose tracking sometimes. When I was trying to get headshots using iron sights in Arizona Sunshine, it would lose tracking sometimes, so I had to pull the controllers back in front of the camera by moving them sideways, re-aim to get a shot, or just abandon it altogether and spam body shots. Unless Oculus improves this, maybe allowing us to add room trackers, I can not recommend this for serious First Person Shooters. Frame rates are at the maxed 80 frames per second for every game for me (Arizona, Lone Echo, Gargantuan) except for DCS World , where I was capped at 40 fps, but it may be some VSYNC that is turned on as it stayed constantly on 40 fps, I will need to look into it. Setup is i7- 7700k, EVGA 1080ti hybrid, 32 gb ram, SSD NVME. For now, I am keeping the Rift S as it is a budget-friendly entry option at $400 if you already have a gaming rig, the Quest is a good option if you do not have a gaming rig already, but the limitations are that you can not play SteamVR games and Oculus will have to port every game over to Quest, having less options than the Rift S in games. Rift S can play SteamVR games, which has probably the largest player-base for games that involve multiplayer (Onward, etc.). The advantage for Oculus store is that it has solid compatibility for their games. What I actually do is, is buy multiplayer games off SteamVR and buy single player games off Oculus as I tend not to replay single player campaign type games too often, if I leave Oculus someday, I am just leaving games that do not have a lot of replay-ability. If I do gravitate to another headset in the future (if Oculus doesn't fix the tracking issue loss directly in front of your eyes), then I can still use my multiplayer licenses on SteamVR to play my staple multiplayer games. Valve Index is around the corner priced at $1000, the main advantages I see for myself if I move to the Valve Index, is the new sensors for individual finger movement (even though I saw multiple videos where the finger tracking isn't completely reliable) and better tracking in directly in front of the headset. A little extra resolution with frame rate increasing from 80 to 120 fps (depending if my 1080ti can even run these games at 120 fps consistently to even reap the benefit) will not be what makes me pony the extra $600, but the tracking will make the difference. If you can wait for the Valve Index, you will have a better time with First Person Shooters due to the external sensor that allows you to aim down the sight more reliably. The Oculus Quest is actually also a major contender as it truly allows you to have freedom of movement. If you do 360 degree turns for around 5 turns, the wires start to twist, my Rift S actually created irreversible tangling inside the cord. I tried to create a ceiling tether where the wires travel along the ceiling but can pull while you move around in your play space, I could still feel the tugging on the headset as I moved around and the worst part was that the cord resistance twisting increased, which reduced the amount of turns I can do even more. Also of course, the cord wraps around your feet without ceiling tethers, something that you have to pay attention to, which breaks the immersion. The Oculus Quest allows you to make as many turns as you'd like, no tangling wires at the feet, no ceiling tethers. You can duck, prone, jump around, twist, side step freely, etc. Games that I feel are better on the Quest are games that make you turn around or move rapidly are: Gargantua, Arizona Sunshine, Onward, Contractors, Creed, etc. Games that are more physically grounded that will take advantage of better graphics are Digital Combat Simulator, driving games, Moss, etc. I like that multiple companies are competing and improving VR technology at the moment, BUT, what would truly take VR to the next level is the Quest improving: graphics / processing power, Steam VR compatibility, improved tracking above, below and directly in front of the headset, and also open-palm controllers (like Valve Index controllers). This is something I would easily drop money on, the Next-Level Quest.
Damn you just put a whole review in one comment
I hate the sensors on the Rift...so this is a major upgrade for me
Could you provide the 3D print instructions for the custom headphone mount? Thanks! Great review!
It’s been put as a link in the description :)
@@tom.bowen2212 Awesome!
Cancelled my preorder after some thought and went for the Index
How are you going to play your Oculus store games?
Which has none of the quality oculus exclusives, suffers from bad god ray's, will have very limited special uses for the controllers for some time and costs a grand.
@@churchill378 Let's not spread false info. The god rays rumor has been mostly debunked.
@@JamesPound gonna bite the bullet.. and not
@@churchill378 it will still be the best headset on the market
Thanks for the reviews guys - as a owner and fan of the Rift/CV1, I have to agree with you - Rift S doesn't feel like an upgrade to me so instead I pre-ordered a Quest to try something new and give me time to decide what non-Oculus PC HMD I'm going to upgrade to. Please keep the reviews coming! - Grey The Gamer
if all the headsets were combined into one it'd be the perfect headset
mixed reality or pimaxes' lenses & resolution
HTC's tracking
oculus' controllers
perfect headset
Welp i know what my summer is gonna be
Comment section is a bunch of people who have the first oculus and want to complain lol this isn’t for you it’s for new users
It's not even interesting for new users, way too expensive. They better get a used CV1 for less than half the price
Speak for yourself I’m buying one and it’s half the price of the old oculus when it first came out. Like I said people like you keep complaining for nothing
This looks great hate having external sensor. They look horrible in my living room and always have to move them and reset them up. Will buy n give my old oculus to my bro so now I would have some 1 to play with
this is my first vr headset! so excited!!!
bruh
Jynx he's trying vr for the first time. I bet you were the same thing when you got your's
@@Jynxy bru XD
@@skiez7430 i was haha
I just want to to get back my only HDMI port and stop camera 3 from constantly having a bad day,
Yes the quest only has a mobile processor but the rift S has *NO* processor. So why does it cost just as much
They have to give Lenovo their cut for the headband/designing it on top of their Insight Tracking system
because facebook wants you to buy quest, not this
A mobile processor is really cheap, the camera system is better on rift s.
@@pLanLos_Zia I'm thought the rift S only has one additional camera with the rest only being software
(I'm not sure though. Only been watching Oculus from a distance since Facebook bought it)
@@sinom The S has an additional camera, a better headband, and better pass through. In my opinion, it should be at least $50 cheaper than the Quest. Eventually, it probably will be. I think they are just going after the early adopters since they are going to be supply constrained at the beginning of the rollout.
I really wish I could drop $2-3K down on a nice VR setup to play all the great games coming out. It could be $5000 US dollars and still sell out. I want to see in 4K through it!
LCD has an advantage over OLED and that is, that the colors dont lose power over time. for example, my TV has OLED and due to the fact that i mostly watched 1 Program, it burned the Logo inside my TV. that only happens on OLED and not LCD.
Something that has been bothering me. How about FPS-games where you use a rifle with two hands? Does the controller tracking still work properly or does it go haywire?
There have been reports that some FPS games have issues with the Rift S inside out tracking due to controller proximity to the headset and one controller occluding the other one.
Love the detail in your videos. I do have a question though - how does the tracking cope when you have a hand close to your face, like archery in Skyrim, or using a scoped 2-handed gun, or when you ADS, basically when you need to bring your right hand right up to your nose.
From what I've heard, you don't want to do that, because it can't track that close.
It breaks if you're basically touching the Touch controller to the HMD, or within a millimeter or two. Otherwise it's fine.
It works, search for a channel named VoodooVR or something liek that. He tested the Rift S and made movements like you will do in archery in Skyrim or getting your backpack in other games or the iPad from your back in Onward. If you wont stick your hands longer than 2 seconds behind your head, everything is fine! BUt actually you just pull your hand back and throw it up front again.
These guys always do great reviews. True geeks doing the work for us and saving us time.
I think the next rift could maybe have cameras on the solid headband for better tracking, and it definitly needs to have either a 4k pannel (opposed to the current 1440p panel) and 80hz at least, hell id take a 1440p 120hz pannel.
damn, imagine having to spend an extra 2 seconds to put on your headset, how inconvenient!
It's not a huge deal, but it still is something you shouldn't *have* to do.
The Rift S is just a disappointment, imo. Way too many sacrafices, just to include the older but slightly better optics and panels from the Oculus Go, and inside-out tracking. I really wanted this to be a proper step up, but there are so many quirks and compromises, it's hard to tell if it is a step sideways or backwards. As an owner of a CV1, I can't justify it.
Same.
It was very close to being an ideal entry level headset, but just ever so slightly off the mark on too many areas. In an ideal world the Rift-S wouldn't have cut quite so many corners, and those wanting to hang onto true 360 coverage external tracking, should have instead been able to pick up a Vive-Pro for $600. (because seriously, there's nothing in that thing to warrant it costing so much when a Samsung Odyssey+ with a superior display can sell for only $300.)
Fortunately Valve swooped in to save the neglected/exploited enthusiast market, but it's price has still left something of a gap for mid range headsets. For new comers to VR, it's now very much a choice between either "I guess it'll do" or "I guess I have to go all in".
it's the equivalent of a console's "slim" version. they release a cost reduced variant a few years into the cycle that is orders of magnitude cheaper to produce while offering largely the same experience at more or less a similar price. it also gives them much more room to adjust the price down for holiday sales. this is definitely one to watch for the thanksgiving sales rift got as low as 350. this could crack 250 later this year
VR gaming ready tracking at $250 would be very nice, even speaking as someone who will be owning a Index soon. I still have friends who've been reluctant to buy into VR just yet, and that would definitely sway them.
So would you say that either waiting for them to go down in price or buying the previous version would be a smarter decision? I'm considering one myself.
One thing I do really like about the audio, is that it's good for when I have friends over and we are watching each other play beat saber or something. We can all hear it nicely. Also I found that if I put my rift on then my headset, and then I take the whole thing off, the headphones stay on the top of rift so I dont have to put them on separately next time.
Really fair/balanced review! Those through the lens pictures though looked really similar between both headsets, only the Rift Picks picture looked significantly different and I couldn't tell if it was just because the way it was shot since all the other pictures looked almost identical across both headsets
They are too similar to tell the difference on camera,I’ve tried an htc pro and that is better than the s but not enough better than my original rift to bother with.
About the tracking of the controllers.... I heard other reviews say that there was issues with using a gun stock and placing the controllers one in front of the other. Also placing one controller under the headset like when you hold a rifle or pull a bow back. Can you talk about this, and maybe try it to see??
Gaaaaaah!! 13 more damn days till SHIPMENT. TF
I can't wait!!!
@@creamofegbert me too man! I already have it pre ordered and next say shipped!
Sold my HTC Vive because of the incredible amount of high maintenance and thought that noone would consider getting rid of stationary sensors. Here comes the Oculus S with even higher resolution and no need for 200 cables and 2 hours worth of sensor and controller software updating. Im back in the game baby.
@@Holret same exact reasons why I sold my Oculus Rift setup!
I got lucky to have it before the shipment, but still not usable until they release the software for it.
ive already started my plan to upgrade my PC to be VR ready, all i need is a graphics card and OS, then i will be set to get the rift S, i cant wait!
I use the audio technicas you were saying you can't use. I use them perfectly fine and comfortable