Hands-On with HaptX VR Haptic Gloves!
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- We put our hands inside the HaptX virtual reality gloves that use finely tuned pneumatics to convey a striking sense of touch with VR content. HaptX's CEO Jake Rubin chats with us to talk about the challenges of convincing haptics for VR and how their technology works. It's unlike any haptics solution we've used so far!
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When vr finally gets full body haptics, nerds will become the fittest people on the planet.
doesn't need haptics, i nearly died play beatsaber at a friends house
@@xavierpony192 yeah beatsaber is pretty much cardio
You are right everyone will be ripped lol
Penis haptic time
@PVT Lard Because they need to hook an entire PC to their back if they want to do full-powered tetherless VR? That's a lot of weight, so they'd be quite ripped. Haha
Thanks for hosting us! Had a great time visiting your studio.
You're doing awesome work, ready player one getting closer to reality! Full body suit next?
hey haptx how do buy?
How far down the road are you folks to developing bio-electric stimulation? The air-actuators... although they're incredibly impressive the fidelity seems too material-constrained.
Astronomical mapping/navigation could be so much fun.
So much potential, I love it!
If you ever come to Italy, let me know! I have just reviewed the Dexmo gloves and would love to make a comparison...
WoW!! Great work... but why just the hands and not the entire body
I lost my hearing recently and have become pretty dependent on closed captions. Used to watch Tested videos a lot and only recently noticed that you guys don't seem to have CC enabled on any video. Maybe you could remedy that.
I'm sorry to hear that Jason. As someone who enjoys Tested content as well, I'll try and caption this video sometime today.
@@corey1197 what color is your cape?
It’s so frustrating when channels don’t enable automatic captions.
TESTED, please use Rev(.)com to help transcribe
@@MrPruske No color, didn't you watch Incredibles?
"NO CAPES!"
Corey Montemagno You’re a good person! No idea why they don’t have automatic captions enabled. And I know it was unintentional, but you saying “Sorry to hear that” pressed my dark humour nerve...
It's refreshing to see a CEO so into his product.
Well, the problems typically arise when the founders lose total control, luckily not the case here. Yet...
@@Megalomaniakaal Yeah, like Palmer Luckey
The Power Glove every 80s kid really wanted
Damnit, beat me to the comment. was going to say "looks like a Power Glove for the Nintendo".
Glove? Don't make me laugh, this is a GAUNTLET worthy of the highest Tech Head Warriors
Dude if the switch 2 is strong enough for vr we are 100% getting the power glove back
@@Shane_A_M yeah lol switch 2 isn't gonna be powerful enough , not gonna have positional tracking and , its just a flat low resolution lcd panel... so no way vr is happening on a switch
Night the moon you telling me the switch 2 is going to be less powerful than the PS4? What makes you say that?
Imagine looking back in 10 years and laughing at the size of these and looking at them as out dated and crude.
I doubt that ten years will do much difference since making hands feel pressure at random places without such mechanics would require chips/electrodes inserted right into the hands or the head. The non-invasive focused brain stimulation will definitely not become significantly more precise to emulate senses with finger level accuracy.
That was my and your first thought today. I think you meant ten seconds.
@@StrangerHappened look at modern bionic enhancements and computing technology and how it has advanced so far in just 5 years. This principle is known as Moores law.
I'm laughing at the size of them right now. Yes I understand that it's a difficult problem but right off the bat these seem incredibly impractical...
This comment is so fucking useless. Of course its going to be considered obsolete.
Haptic: We're adding pain receptors for the gloves!
Me: *dips hand in lava from Minecraft*
A! AA! AAA! AAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
@The main cause of warps in all of reality *Super Saiyan 3 Achieved.*
Yes bring on the oasis with a full haptic boot suit.
yes
Just leave the pants on the drawing room floor just imagine the trolls aiming for the leg or joints... Um yeah not pleasant
Combine the Tesla Suit with a consumer-ready generation of HaptX gloves. Then bring the devs of VRchat, Star Citizen, No Man's Sky, Boneworks, and all the most skilled and passionate VR devs you can find online together to build and early version of a real Oasis by 2026, market its uses to both gamers and companies. Boom, greatest videogame ever created and the internet 2.0
@@themartianmantis2694 Fucking genius. Holy fuck
The Martian Mantis I can’t wait... Hopefully I can enjoy this while still in my youth.
These interviews are so good, the technical questions are on-point! It's super informative, I love it.
There are so many valves in this. Valve should buy them.
I’m worried it’d never get past the second iteration
@@atomatopia1 ooof
Steam not included.
@@atomatopia1 You mean, third?
This guy seems so determined passionate and very transparent. He will be one of the future leaders in the video game market!
I couldn't agree more! 3 years later and he still comes across the same way. He doesn't make me absolutely terrified for humanity like Zuckerberg does :P This guy makes me hopeful! Especially since I design for elearning and can see the benefits of XR outside of social interaction and consumerism.
I've dreamed about this exact technology ever since the first dev kit of the Oculus Rift... To think we're so close already! It'll be years still before it's ready for the consumer market, but I'm really excited for further innovation in this space.
hmm. Didn't MIT create a material that unfolds when current is passed through it?
If so instead of using loud clunky air to deform the lining -you could use low currents.
This would also decrease size required and eliminate the need for attachments.
It could also be that the material doesn't unfold with the force required to fit their needs.
And as previously mentioned, they probably don't have open access to that material (they'd need very open access to mass-produce)
You guys in reply section really give valuable insight, no sarcasm.
It said in the video that the air valves wasn't loud.
I'm have no idea what is going on here but it sounds smart asf
Batman begins
He mentioned how do you make it fit your hand. That's of interest to me as a female gamer with quite small hands (as he briefly mentioned). This technology is fascinating to me and I can't wait to see where it goes with miniaturisation. He's a great talker. Fantastic thoughts. Thanks.
21:46 " It was almost really creepy. I love those experiences."
It's strange to see something that some friends and I discussed back in the nineties actually being built and tested. Very cool. They should think about adding bladders to the backs of the fingers to provide resistance to opening the fingers like when you put your hands into mud or sludge. Full immersion. And think of the possibilities for hazardous environment remote operations and walking loaders like in Aliens. The future looks mechanical and I'm loving it.
Cool, you had friends and not youtube back then. :D
It would be cool to live in the 90s
SauliusLT cool just get friends today, it’s no different from the 90’s in that way
All us engineering nerds working on this sort of tech were kids in the 90s heavily inspired by scifi culture ;)
Riley Van Kirk I know, I actually have friends, but I think I mea- no you know what? Thats a good point, gonna keep that in mind :D
Title should be "Hands-In" VR Gloves
SommeR 4tw Non’t, it shouldn’tn’t
SommeR 4tw Non’t, itn’t shouldn’tn’t
Sommer 4tw Non't, it'nt sho'uldn'tn't
keep on going guys :D
SommeR 4tw Non't, it'ntn't shouldn'tn't
Non, itt shouldn'n't'n't'n't'n't
Dude really needed a glass of water
Really hoping to see this as a consumer product in a couple of years and at a good price. Wishing HaptX the very best of luck.
I like how vr and ar is moving forward cant wait to see tue future of these
remember these days, 30 years from now we will be laughing at the current state of VR technology (Bulky), as we laugh now at the old tutorial videos on how to connect to the internet
In 30 years we will 100% without a doubt in my mind, have a matrix type VR game. (who knows maybe they'll pull a SAO)
@@pl0xr0blux89 I'd say 15 years for SAO, especially with Neuralink being worked on
Adam Dee
Ok boomer.
(Sarcasm, by the way)
Adam Dee I disagree
@Adam Dee Lol VR isn't even a gimmick right now let alone 30 years from now, I'm 100% certain you haven't even tried it
I really want an episode about Norm's hood folding technique.
Those gloves look like the terminators hands underneath his skin with all the metal and wire parts
Which is why these are really amazing
I really enjoyed watching this. Jake was very eloquent and explained their stuff in a very understandable way. Thanks guys!
I'd love to see a reverse version of those tactile actuators for use in prosthetics.
Have them detect pressure in real life, and then connect to a normal set of actuators somewhere else on the body so that someone with a prosthesis can still feel touch. (obviously the sensation of touch would be odd, i.e. pressing with your finger would be felt on your inner arm etc.)
The brain would remap,. VR could be used to slowly 'adjust' 'where' the brain interprets the sensation as coming from,. Seeing brain cells, can remap for hearing, WE ARE 'PLASTIC'!
These gloves would be nice for VR chat
Feels like the 80s and 90s all over again.
I'm not even kidding. The VR gloves of back then had pretty much everything those have, while still less clunky.
The HaptX is only an updated version of the VR gloves on the 80s and 90s.
They're getting really really advanced with virtual reality!
Hopefully we can get to the level of Ready Player One before I get old and quit keeping up with technology... Great and informative video guys!
An xtal, an infinadeck, a teslasuit, and one of these, and i would be set
MotherEric if only we could afford it...
@@Vaati bookmark it so I can search those definition later on.
This is amazing - new to VR with Index and was playing H3VR a bunch and as neat as it is with all the perfect gun models it could really benefit from even a low grade version of this system
VR gloves should be included in all VR products. They are amazing.
make a new version of Black and White that game was dope.
Dick Fitzwell second that notion! VR B&W would steal some legit time out of my life
Yes yes yes. B&W needs to be a vr game! It not pokemon black or white. It's a game call black and white it's a real time strategy game.
Yessir I mean Pokémon would be neat too... but that would be tough to do with everything they got going on at this point.
Omg B&W in VR would be so cool
You've made me remember some joyful childhood moments with that game. Almost forgot all about it
At one point they had heated and cooled water instead of air, which was probably way more compelling, but also infeasibly expensive
Until they make use of magnetic polarity (and the willingness of magnets to MOVE) it won't be commercial. Little coil electromagnets, controlled like a 'video' as a spanned data... When bubbles em coils are same polarity top and bottom, it bubbles upward, when it is opposite, it bubbles downward and when neutral. it is,....neutral..
@@NextWorldVR the problem with that is, they use an electromagnetic field for finger tracking, and having 140-odd tiny electromagnets in both the palm and the fingers is most definitely going to cause some interference with that.
I don't know what position this guy has at HaptX, but he has impressive product knowledge and ability to communicate that knowledge to lay audiences!
These are people who can't yet afford a marketing department, so they have no choice but to send out someone who knows what they're talking about to actually explain things. ;p
Norm always asks the right questions.
me trying to sleep at a reasonable time... RUclips RECOMENDATIONS
Turn off your phone then xD
this is not an hands-on this is an hands-in XD
Minecraft villager noses
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This is pretty nuts. I don't think we'll see this outside of industry for a time but right now I would be surprised not to see it used in medicine, training, etc really soon (or maybe it's already there)
I suspect that they could reduce the space between bubbles a bit. And I think that it would benefit the experience, too. I imagine they could do this by using accordion type bubbles, to reduce the amount of space needed on the edges, to allow the travel distance that they're aiming for with the bubbles. Shouldn't need a lot of folds in the accordioned portion; one, maybe two. And it might be good to allow it to form a rounded shape when expanded, instead of relying on the folds entirely, if they intend to leave the bubble density as low as they have it.
I think it could use a higher resolution on the fingertips, as we do have a higher density of nerve endings there. Especially considering that people can read braille, and distinguish between the different combinations of tiny bumps. I don't know what the entire inside of the gloves look like, so I don't know if they do this, but… Using a different density for the bubbles, in different parts of the hand, based on the actual density of nerve endings present, would seem like a good idea to me.
Another thing I wonder about, is hot and cold… A way to rapidly heat or cool areas of the hand, within safety tolerances, would only add to the realism. It'll probably be a headache to get to work in practice, though. It was the mention of the virtual rain on the hands, that got me thinking about hot and cold, because surely, the lack of temperature change broke immersion a little.
literally the new gloves in half-life alyx
This is so exciting! Id imagine im gonna be spending more time in the virtual world rather than the real one in 20 years
This is really incredible stuff, once this gets "on" the hands of the consumer market I feel like VR in general will really take off given how good content will get with this tech!
It's literally high tech bubble wrap.
I love it.
so close to Ready Player One
About your issue at 23:10 ,maybe they should use two layers of those bubbles interlaced,or there's always gonna be a gap between pressure points,as tiny as they make them .Anyway that s crazy nice tech, can t wait 2 years from now . And great vid .
The First VR High Five will be so Awesome with this I'll be High fiving everyone lol
Great video. Love the honesty. Keep it up!
Could the valves and air be replaced by an electrically stimulated expanding gas? You'd just need a couple arrays, one of bubbles, and a soft chip attached to it. Might have a minor explosion risk, but you can mitigate
Ok this is big brain time
You could have a sleeve that would use electricity to tighten your muscles in you arm for when you hold things so if you were to pull back a bow in a game it would actually be difficult and if you were to pick up an object it could actually make it feel like you’re holding something especially with those gloves
I can't wait until this tech reaches an affordable consumer level. I am absolutely addicted to VR gameplay and some of them would be improved vastly by having tactile sensations and forced feedback pressure.
Me:Men! I want this I want it😄
Price:I'm about to end this mans dream
@Butter 500-600 $
Just wait some 12 years and gonna be like in "Frist player ready"
Imagine the day where you can just bench 120 "kilograms" at home just by hold a controller.
These actually look really cool. Very cyberpunk looking.
i would absolutely love a realistic vr multiplayer game. driving is real physics and everything just as realistic as possible
This looks straight out of the early 90's
Damn
Jhony mnemonic
I'm really curious about the target price point they have to hit to get consumer buy-in.
How much would you be willing to spend to get something with just this functionality - nothing more?
$300 or so personally.
*$500 tops* 😁
1k
The madlads actually did it
I'm always so excited to see technology progress. I think that one of the things that will make me sad as I get older will be that I won't be able to see what will be available in the years after I'm gone
Can't wait for future tech that has like 250,000 of those dots on something the size of a postage stamp.
I do remember reading that for even hands it can take as little as a hundred per in^2 to trick ourselves well enough to get to diminishing returns in increasing the count.
Though I can't wait to see how the technology and interface (from a game developer's perspective) improve in the coming years.
@@ThatGuy-kz3fx you'd be surprised how fast us humans can move forward
@@iknowyouseeme3233 especially if one of those deep learning AI's manages to reprogram itself and become free thinking. Assuming its not a dick it could advance human tech 1000 years in just a few months.
nerds
Meanwhile there's some VR hater saying ("I wont buy into VR until tech like this is the size of latex gloves." ) The future is amazing but, this will never happen if we arent patient.
Someone has to fund these, otherwise the companies making this technology will never be able to survive long enough for them to get there. PC hardware would never have gotten as powerful as it is now if people didn't buy the first apple computer (and that thing couldn't do hardly anything), now days we have tiny little computers inside of our pockets that are Incredibly powerful when size is considered.
Everyone gangsta until the gloves break your fingers one by one
This video should start with Norm's telling us how did he felt, what was his experience. Lots of details on a product we don't know how will perform
I really think that's Ready Player One it's GONNA BE REAL some day
Valkyr hands! Warframe was right! :)
Smarter every day also made a really cool video over something like this so cool to see it more
cant wait to see what VR is like in 10 years
Can you activate the automatic subtitles, please? I am learning english and I need this help for understand the conversation. Thanks and regards
Now add nichrome wire and put water instead of air into those bubbles to simulate temperature as well.
I think they once did use water. But air can get warm and cool aswell
@@whiteoutwolf6131 yea but water is much better at transfering heat than air. That's why water cooling in PC's is considered superior. You can easily get water from 20 to 100 and back to 20 degrees celsius in seconds while you can't with air.
Easy fix for the bubbles feeling separate, add a layer that when two bubbles rise its connected between the 2 highest points of the bubble creating a solid area of pressure. As for force feedback on arms you can use passive locking in a way that you can always pull your arms back and bend them and it never bends your arms or pulls them for you, merely stops you from pushing your arm a certain distance from, let's say a strap on your shoulder, or bending your elbow when an object is against your forearm. Then maybe with legs all you really need is a pressur pads on the sides of your feet to maybe simulate the contact of kicking since gravity and distance is involved with leg motion. A pad that goes maybe inside the sides if your shoe that when you kick a certain distance you feel the pressure to know the kick has landed, same with shin. As for force of Kick it's easier to have a set reaction in the game to keep design simple. Then you have functional arm stopping systems, leg sensory, and all that's needed may be excesorries like vest with magazine pouches or armor that have a chip that loads the measurements and rendering around the avatar of your measurements so you simulate the vest in real life. Load a backpack with pouches for each systems hardware and software once it's made into a compact fit, and then there's the making a really awesome open world zombie survival vr game. The hardest part is getting the textile features. Once you have a system for that the rest is just duplication and measurements for the specific limbs, which mostly don't require any sensory except hands, side of feet and maybe a bit of the arms or torso.maybe make a sensor that vibrates letting you know your arms or legs or back is close to hitting a wall or object in real life.make it to where the walking in the game is done by lifting knees without extension of legs and extension within certain speed is a kick, or held up then pushed out could be more of a push with your leg that stops the object without pushing it away until a quick extension after leg is raised, I hope someone sees this comment Because the zombie apocalypse is way easier than real life
Adam bought out Tested???? omg my dreams have come true and i have no one to share it with!
Bone works really needs to use these gloves it would make it even more realistic
Ready player one becoming a reality.
Wait til we have gloves that are super slim and when you grab something the fibers in the fingers stiffen keeping you from going through, just like these gloves accomplish but with the large mechanical wires and stuff. It’s gonna be amazing with having a full body suit in 10 or so years
Using electromagnets and ferro-fluid in a thin rubber membrane. They could probably simulate any texture to the fingers and make it move.
*WHERE CAN I BUY IT THOUGH*
You'll never see this except in specialized industrial or research applications. 128 valves, air source, big power supply, heavy enclosure, thick dragging cables, monster hands. Yeah, there's no way you'll be able to shrink this down. Pneumatics haven't changed in years so if they couldn't shrink it down now they never will, and expect to pay $10K+ for it.
Yeah even if they do manage to find a way to shrink down those gloves, there is still the issue of the tethered cables that are mandatory for the experience that will quite literally prevent them from becoming consumer devices.
@@justmonika2345 Definitely. All those tubes bundled together. There's no way to shrink that down and try playing beat sabre while flaying that thick bundle around. Its an interesting approach but really the practicalities of it doom it to being just a curiosity.
VR makes nerds physically fit and trained.
when they finish this the next race will be the compactness
outside of gaming this technology could be huge for a lot of things, the medical field, bomb disposal squads, your vr wai- scratch that last one.
as much as i am excited about the tech and it's futute i fear it will fall into the world of degeneracy just like free artists have, you either go for NSFW or you will most likely fail.
Is it going to be used for porn? Absolutely. Is that going to be the only use? Absolutely not. I don't really understand what you're concerned about. You speak as though they'd have to design the gloves specifically for x-rated content and that makes no sense. They are developing a tool for physical feedback and it will be up to software developers to provide the experiences that will use that tool. You'll get a lot of software both in and out of the category in question, just as you do with the tools of the internet and PC.
Shadowsketch Having people design NSFW is a given and it’s fine but they wouldn’t need to change the entire product. Just use what they have available i mean there is people who watch VR porn but did you see controllers or a headset sold just for that?
"Hey man wanna come to my house to play?"
"Yeah, let me grab my air compressor."
I started to design a similar haptic system that used water instead of air, because I felt water's temperature could be affected more easily and therefore used to better effect when simulating objects of varying temperatures.
With HaptX, Virtuix Omni, Woojer's VR Haptic Vest, and probably further improvements in this tech, you could get people to workout without even trying, implying the cost for entry isn't still through the roof.
Just front all of this with possible military applications to the government and you may increase R&D by 10 years. I'm sure virtual training in a lot of fields would be very useful.
I would love these guys to work with Boneworks
Jack Wolfe I don’t know much about these gloves. But they won’t sell in the market. They are probably extremely expenisve and unpractical. Will take may years before us consumers will be able to have gloves like this.
Make this BLUE if these videos keep getting better!
I'm a filmmaker
its nice to see topher grace on screen again
Bro it's finally becoming a reality imagine a full body suit with the same technology as these gloves made affordable over the course of a few decades
it's all fun and games until it becomes sentient and breaks your fingers
*cough* exo suits *cough*
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Did you make it into the part of the video where the discussed active Vs passive systems, or just jump in and comment?
@@owensparks5013 Did you have enough social interactions in your childhood to develop a sense of humor or did you just jump in to comment?
@@Denois95
Hi. Thanks for asking, and yes plenty. RUclips is chocked with people bashing tech they don't understand, and or commenting on videos they've clearly not watched; so yes I probably jumped to a conclusion here. Sorry. In my defense if someone posts a joke if they would make it funny then that would make it more obvious that it wasn't a serious comment... 😉
adam : NEW VR
my brain : i NEED it
my wallet : ????!!!!NANI!!!!!????
These guys should use similar tech to make their glove that bmw used on their new concept car. Can’t remember the name but it’s something like alive technology or similar.
The fender bends with the tires. Stretching and contracting. So if they used something like that for the gloves they could follow your motion but also lock up to imitate an object.
E.g. lock in a tube shape for a staff or sword grip, add a slight angle for a gun grip. Lock in round shapes for grenades and food objects like fruits or even drink cups.
I don’t know how you could imitate legitimate touch. Like touch a table and the glove stops your arm from pushing through where it would be. Because no matter how accurate the system is a giving these sensations, if the object isn’t really there you will always be able to ‘move through it’ in a way.
My example would be opening a door. Push the door and it opens. But if you moved your arm and hand faster than the game can open the door, your sensation would be off and would break immersion instantly.
Love watching these, gives me so much hype for the future of games. If the companies don’t ruin gaming before VR becomes more reliable at least hahaha🤣
Imagine having full body active and passive haptics in VR. You could go up to someone in a multiplayer game and slap them and see them react to being slapped
Hands-On? More like Hands-In. Hahaha, I will sit in the corner now.
Hopfully this is going to work in boneworks
In the future when its condensed and specialized I'd love to buy a retro style one like the one we see here
Welp time to make whole arm control to really feel that object in place 👌
now i can feel my waifu for real
When it's affordable, not bulky, and works with VRChat avatars, I'll get one.
if all of mankind came together, and worked together purely under the same goals where money was not an issue, and we were bent on progress.
We'd..geez...God knows where we'd be at this point.
We are a slow developing species. Maybe outer space aliens do that as stated.
If that happened the world would be in shambles
VR kanojo is about to get a whole lot better