JerryRigEverything vs. Tesla / Tesla FSD v12.3 Reactions / Toyota Was Right ⚡️
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Was I too hard on Zack (JerryRigEverything)?
no i was not :)
Nope. Capitalism does not equal meritocracy.
He has a point
NOT AT ALL... Spot on.. Zach is going on DBE (Douche Bag Everything)
No, Zach is a fudder and shill. He has no credibility and lost my respect.
JerryRigEverything should be renamed FOS. Recall that Sandy Munro tested the Ford ADAS and he kindly and diplomatically said the system needs more work. And to reference how FSD is dong it. The Ford system couldn't even perform a simple turn at highway speed. So this guy is obviously full of sh!t. Or Ford cash.
That guy is a piece of work. No Tesla "stans" think FSD is level 5, 4, or even 3. We all are aware you have to keep hands on the wheel, we know it isn't currently Full self driving. He uses total strawman arguments, saying Tesla fans all think "insert lies here". The name FSD should be changed just to take away the ridiculous argument that we think FSD currently can self drive. No, it cant. Yes, we know it cant. Nobody actually thinks it can drive itself all of the time without supervision. Any argument otherwise is disingenuous, just like JerryRigEverything.
Ya that whole thing about it 'only being level 2' is a straw man. It's level 2 because that's what it's permitted to be. It will never be more than level 2 until Tesla seeks approval from regulators for it to be more than level 2. But it easily out performs the only consumer car permitted to operate at level 3 - the one from mercedes that only works at slow speeds on specific highways, with a lead car.
I agree, Full Self Driving is a goal, not a feature. Tesla had the same problem with AutoPilot giving owners a false expectation of capabilities. When I bought autopilot I thought I could just “use it” as I wished, not have the annoying nag making FSD worse than just driving the car yourself.
In the current FSD configuration where cameras are next to glass instead of two feet away like driver eyes where a few drops can impair vision or a camera that can get blinded just with a strong light because it does not have sun blockers or sunglasses will not get approved by any sane government for fully autonomous driving no matter how much software improve because the hardware is not up to the tasks to work day and night in any weather. So, current customers are just guinea pigs for future FSD systems that will be capable of what Elon promised to its customers over a decade ago which was among the reasons why Tesla stocks were so hyped that it helped in company survival during rough times and inspired other car manufacturers to do the same...
I stopped watching Zach when he started to make political comments in his teardowns. Being a ford shill doesn't surprise me.
Nope! Unsubscribing from him now
Briefly sampled twice yrs ago, enough for me. Proving to be dumb in this instance, seeking general irrelevance.
Yea I just unsubscribed, dude sold out the wrong way…not really a good way to do it but danggg jerrryyy 🤪🤷🏽♂️
Who cares. Snowflake.
this was unsub day. I also got rid of the viking. He keeps padding his time with B-roll just to get an extra ad thrown in.
Zack was at the CT launch, and just slagged everything. There's nothing new here in his behaviour, it's just getting amplified by Ford. Anyone else remember awhile back when Ford was passing control back to the driver with no warnings at all? Or when it would panic on a typical highway curve that was just a little tighter than it liked? The haters never remember.
Jerry really rigs everything 😂
😂 amazing comment he had a 30 min straight drive, as the sentence is highlighted STRAIGHT drive 🤣😂
I saw Jerry make video after video criticising Tesla vs other EV makers but thought it might have some facts. But this expose clears all my doubts about his bias towards Tesla.
This Chanel lasts the longest through the thin and thick and thriving 👍 ❤
Nice to hear Robs voice again.
Can't figure out why someone does not do a side by side test of the Ford and a Tesla 12.3. It would be a good watch.
NHTSA would require your hand on the wheel of a ford also.
Teslas FSD is much more capable, but 12k is bananas for what is currently offered as of right now. Even flawless FSD 12k is a crazy price point for non commercial use.
Re:Zach A 2nd grade reading strategy "Question the Author" comes in handy :)
Why is everyone talking about emissions and neglecting the fact that we are running out of oil. I saw Elon mention it the other day but we need more people to mention this. Oil is not just for gas but it is a limited resource.
Obfuscation to keep the money training rolling.
Thanks for the Rob bit, and send our best regards if you have contact.
If I Jerry Rig a full self-interest does it count? He can call the tune when he sets the standards.
Today I was given 8 Tesla commercials on RUclips
if im forced to watch a commercial, id prefer it be from tesla 😏
Maybe I should pause my RUclips subscription to watch them?
I haven’t seen any yet 🤷
Did you buy a car, or two?
Bro I was given way more, I was like what the heck 😅
Ford may drop the whole hands free thing once they have millions of capable vehicles on the road and get the same level of scrutiny Tesla does.
Hand free shouldn't even be allowed if it is not level 5. It is questionable to react with the hands on the wheel let alone hands free, more relax, less attentive, slower the reaction time.
It's only hands off, it isn't look away, it isn't looking at your phone, it isn't watch a movie, the only thing you can do is pick your nose
They will never have the same scrutiny as Tesla.
@@casperhansen826 what if you're taking a bite of a burger while holding it with both hands? Kind of a compromised position, but something a Ford driver would be prone to do.
@@casperhansen826 "It's only hands off, it isn't look away, it isn't looking at your phone, it isn't watch a movie, the only thing you can do is pick your nose"
Does it matter though? What could you possible to with your hands that's important and does not negatively effect the safety of your driving? You may as well keep a hand on the wheel.
Not all media displayed misinformation headlines. TechXplore, for one, included "Ford" in theirs: "US to investigate Texas fatal crash that may have involved Ford partially automated driving system" (Mar 17, 2024)
Yah, I just unsubscribed FROM Jerry Rig. That was done in poor taste.
Wait.. Good, I did not subscribe to him. I didn’t like his demeanour. 😕 I recall he has a family member in need and really wanted to. Hope he’ll be okay 🙏
This is what pisses me off about Farley, Elon helps him out then ford shits on FSD through influencers.
Narcissists view that as weakness, not as a compassionate gestures. But Elon did say you have to assume people are nice til they prove otherwise.
I'm loving the calculated frustration. Couple instances here. More than warranted
Dillon getting spicy on this one 😂
And I don't mean just the JerryRigEverything part, Jason Isaac part mainly.
New Jersey is charging $250 for EV registration and Texas is charging $200. It is what it is.
Toyota didn't predict the hybrid hype. All the mainstream media worked together to push this idea to consumers.
Many thanks, I get a more realistic picture through your channel. Good reporting, keep up the good work.
FSD V12.3 is starting to look much more convincing. There's no way you can code for the sort of situations shown here. End to end training is definitely the way forward. How is anyone going to compete with this?
Thanks for todays informations from Germany 🇩🇪
I just got fsd v12.3. And it’s incredible. 4 perfect drives so far. No interventions, end to end. And it is sooo smooth. ❤❤❤ it is like chatgpt 3.5. Really good and almost a wholly useful product.
Hybrids are replacing gas only cars they are not in addition.
For me “rig everything” should have been the first clue. Second if he would have balanced the 90 mile range report with a contrasting experiment of driving light at 35 miles an hour in 75 degrees and showing a range of whatever then I would have had more respect. It’s a hit piece plane and simple. A Ford shill, you can’t trust anyone. What a sellout.
Thanks Dillon for all your hard work and a visit from an old friend Rob. 👍👍👍😁🙏
I agree with Zack regarding the naming. “Autopilot,” seems much more accurate. I do believe that Tesla’s ADAS system is much more advanced than its competitors. I responded to a thread that Zack was in stating this. Calling it “Full Self Driving” without a trademark to indicate it is a feature name and not a description of its functionality, currently is deceptive not aspirational.
I will also add that I am disappointed with FSD v13.3, in my limited driving experience with it. I have it in Aggressive mode. It has been anything but slow to accelerate, keeping the speed lower than set when the car in front of me is going faster, and slowing down for curves. This is not aggressive driving, it is driving like an inexperienced driver. Also, the routing engine still is very bad in my area.
I'm seeing the same results with 13.3, very slow, acts weird through blinking yellows. Still making wrong lane choices, although in it's defense we have some weird lane choices with faded out lines in my town.
Got 12.3 on Sunday. Super impressed. The teenage driver is gone. Only frustrated that my autopilot went away, and I only have FSD. The double/single option in menu has been grayed out.
Sounds like Teslajoy had the “LA driver” version.
v12.3 is finally an exponential improvement. Reminds me of the many years it took for computers to master chess at an average level, and how few years after that computers were beating chess Masters. That's the moment we're in. Hope it comes to everyone soon!
A friend just bought a new Audi Q5 plug in hybrid, so far, so good! Beautiful car!! Thanks for another great video Dillon!
tell Joy a video is the best example of those issues
I agree with all you said about FSD and JerryRig. That said, it is true that FSD sucks. We paid $12 grand for something that doesn't work and likely wont before the car is warn out. Tesla should have given FSD away for free until it worked and then give discounts to those that suffered through it to build the database.
All I can say about that JRE take is yikes. Good critique. Actually bought and paid for slam piece
I just got FSD12.3 this morning
I have owned a Model 3 with FSD for over 5 years and I would still prefer Super Cruise or Blue Cruise so I can take my hands off the steering wheel.
17:35 LOL!!
Too cruel, but hilarious the same.
FYI ON NJ their 6% sales tax is NOT applied to the purchase of new EV’s
The highway bifurcation is simply because of constrained training compute. i.e. city driving is worse so let's focus there first
Gotta have my Loomis.
@dillonloomis22. Those of us in IL have been paying $250 a year for annual registration for a while now. I also got hit with the initial registration fee of $400 back in 2021. In comparison, a regular gas car annual registration is $150.
its 200/year in texas. even with the megaplant in austin big oil still owns texas.
I just don’t understand how these comparisons don’t include the gasoline tax per gallon, added on to the gasoline car registration fees. How come people only look at one little part? Disappointing.
@@chrvids5846 probably because that’s a variable cost that changes depending on the amount you drive. The registration costs are fixed, so if you drive zero or 40k miles a year, it’s the same amount to get that car on a public road. (The electricity used is also taxed where I live per kW)
@@rahbkoz yes I agree. Blanket numbers with the same cost for everybody just don’t seem fair. But they probably just say…OK for the average driver, driving 10,000 miles per year, how much would the gas tax be and let’s throw that at the electric. 10,000 miles in Illinois at 20 miles per gallon is about $273 gasoline tax paid. $0.454 tax per gallon.😮
Right on
amen brother
The phrase is "JURY rig". It dates back many years to sailing ships and emergency repairs.
It’s hard to get a man to understand something when his income is reliant on him not understanding it. 🙄
great job
14:18
They need to be more specific as to whether the requirement for CCS applies to each *charger* or the *Location*
If they change the wording to "CCS available at every location" then an unrestricted Magic Dock on "a" charger (or given a percentage) meets the requirement.
It's becoming a moot point since (virtually) every manufacturer will issue adapters (?)
Heh, have a 2019 silverado and got improved milage with the taunted cover. Sorry, I can't spell today. 😊 wish I could afford a cybertruck.
I wonder if FSD will ever use the horn as we humans do use it but I haven't seen the car use it yet 🤷🏼♂
Let’s not give a horn to the AÍ 😂
No disrespect, but it’s just perfect that he wrote “Bate and switch” in his tweet. Bait… bro. 🙄
Nailed it!
Summon and Banish are gamer terms which is why they are used
Texas, on my 2013 Nissan, 200.00 for registration!! A joke.
LoL Washington State it's $275 EV registration tax .
6 times more than ice cars pay in state gasoline tax for the same mileage traveled in 12 months
Ridiculous. Hate that in Minnesota it's $75 and I'd have to drive 30,000 miles/year to pay similar to a fuel efficient gas car comparing MPGe to MPG.
Does Washington have an EV buyer's credit? Maybe they're trying to recoup some of that handout.
This is one of your best episode. Thank you for your continued quality work 🙏🏻
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When are we getting an update to “enhanced autopilot”?
My question is, why did it take Toyota so long to learn that hybrids are popular when they have been selling them for 20+ years? In June 2023 when my old car died, I had to take what was available. I ended up with a Toyota Highlander ICE vehicle because hybrids weren't available. I suspect that they have a lower profit margin.
I just went on to the IF Metall sight and sent them an email, explaining why Tesla employees do not need or want their help. Perhaps it would help if a whole lot of us did the same?
Battery packs on tools whether they be drills or robots makes so much sense, yes a none swappable unit can run longer than a swappable pack but the ability to swap packs in a few seconds more than overcomes that. A couple of battery swapping a recharging stations that the robot can initiate themselves could easily be sized for many robots.
Swapping of batteries in private cars makes no logistical sense, when you get more than 1 car show up at an exchange station you can't even leave to get a coffee without losing place in line.
As somebody that grew up with 6 and 8 class Audis around, it's shocking to me how that new q6 etron looks more like a Tesla than an Audi. They basically took a model Y and covered it in buttons.
Whoa Dillon whoa....lol 😂
I think JRE has a point - there are many Tesla customers who spent thousands of dollars ten years ago to get full self driving and don't have it yet. Tesla could do a few things to make good to those clients, such as offering a refund or transfer. The biggest annoyance I have with Tesla came when I was considering a lease. They said "pay the full amount for FSD, lease the car for three years, then lose all of your money. And by the way, it will never be available in those three years - just the idea of it. And you have to buy it all over again at the next car and we won't let you buy this car. At some point in this process of delay, false promises, exaggerated labels and refusal to let clients use what they paid for, more and more people will be unhappy and criticize Tesla. That is largely in Tesla's control.
WA state has a $150 EV penalty every year when registering.
Joy needs to video her experiences.
yes, this was my first thought as well
Tesla Joy is full of shit. V12.3 is almost perfect. She showed no video I call bull shit.
I think the increase in PHEV will be a spike (sharp up and sharp down). I've seen "bridge" technology before. It seems like a good idea at the time, but in fact is not a real "solution". Better to bite the bullet and go BEV without hand-holding transition.
I would like to see a deeper analysis of the growth of hybrid sales. Toyota sells many hybrid models, but a year ago they had very little inventory and empty lots. Now they have actual inventory to sell
I was going to say the same. They parked their cars sideways across 3 spaces and several spaces apart just to make their lot look less empty.
@foxtrotwolf6081 the dealer I saw went down to only 4 new cars on their lot and none in the showroom; now they're full, well over a hundred. Nissan dealer next door was full the entire time.
Series hybrid (electric transmission) is a good way for makers to ease out of ICE power. The cheap-n-nasty parallel hybrid (used by almost every maker) is an engineered bodge.
It payed for jerrys cybertruck
Saying your self drive is better because you can take your hands off the wheel is like saying your ice cream is better because it comes in a bowl. It is a choice of implementation and driver monitoring which has nothing to do with the ability to drive. If Tesla even attempted to allow drivers to take their hands off the wheel by monitoring driver, the press would tear them apart for their reckless behavior. But when one of the old ICE companies does ITS AMAZING LOOK MOM NO HANDS.
Exactly 💯 spot on!! 👍
I look forward to someday when all the whoop-la around the c-truck settles down. I consider the c-truck a nice big SUV with a big trunk. In fact the lines of the body are just begging for an aftermarket "cap" system to give it more 'inside, out of the weather' space, while keeping the aerodynamic shape. Even with another battery pack in there. Then I can make a nice transition from my current 12 year old 2500HD Silverado, not want for anything and feel good about the whole thing. 8) --gary
There is Level 3 with a couple of manufacturers available. FSD is Level 2 and apparently will be in the foreseeable future. Pricing is similar to Level 3 from Mercedes, could be less in value perspective (Tesla will wash hands in case of accident). Volume vice revenue potential will be higher vs. Mercedes in the foreseeable future. However, investors probably overestimate its impact on Tesla's market cap grossly. They will sell FSD to only a fraction of sold Teslas.
Georgia isn't far behind Jersey, charging over $200 per year for EV registrations.
I checked New Jersey gas tax. 42.5 a gallon (rounded down to .42.) At 20 miles per gallon it would take about 12,000 to hit $250. So, not so bad for most. My 4,000 miles per year would be pretty unfair.
So then a car getting 30mpg would take 20,000 miles to hit $250. Or a Prius, it would be more like 30,000. So basically they are charging EV drivers as if a Prius is driving 30k miles. Definitely an unfair tax.
I think my math needs checking. $250 / .42 = 595 gallons. So 600 (rounded up for the sake of math) miles would be breakeven in a vehicle getting 1 mile per gallon. so 6000 mile at 10 miles per gallon. and 12,000 miles in a 20 MPG vehicle. Okay; So my math is close. 30 MPG = 18,000 40 mpg =24,000 50,000 (Prius country) = 30,000 miles. Therefore, on average,
@@unclegeorge7845 Ok, maybe my math is wrong which is very possible. I just think EVs should be getting a break on road tax, not parity with gas cars, since they don't pollute and spout out poisonous gases into the air that possibly contributes to cancer.
@@yeahbuddy92193911 I get it. I think most people watching this channel agree with you. I also think that most folks that are not as pro green machine as we are look at road tax as a "repair the road" fee or tax and that green vehicles do weigh more. And of these most think that the "cleaner air" endeavors which makers claim raises the purchase cost is how they pay the dirty air fees. I'd like to see mileage reports at license time and as a factor of weight be assessed road tax fees. Remember 12 minutes per workday of delay because of roadway problems will result in a full week of waiting in traffic per year.
Not so fast FSD still more way to improve. It still have problems identifying emergency vehicle with flash light on at night. I wonder whoever program FSD has knowledge of traffic laws.
I use to watch Zach. Stopped watching when he clearly started to attack Tesla. Something changed in his narrative and couldn't work out why. Now I understand.
@DillonLoomis22 at 17:32 it sounds like an invitation to harm oneself and is not something I would expect from you. It could have been worded in a different way to carry your point and not encourage anyone to potentially end their life.
Thanks for considering this message.
Bait, not bate. Lol
The regression in V12 is on the freeway. It takes wrong exits and takes wrong lanes, where V11 was perfect.
V12 is actually V11 on the highway! It is no longer a single stack.
You sure? As Mikeoberg says, it’s still v11 on freeway.
Anyway, it’ll soon be NN on freeway too. Just wait.
@@iandavies4853 Yes, I'm sure. I'm driving to my gym twice a week using FSD and V11 always worked on those exits, but V12 is getting confused on some of them.
8:20 errrr… yes. That is what a standard is. That is like saying “anyone saying that a house needs to built to code is…”. Doesn’t make much sense when you put it that way does it 😝
NJ takes number 1 for $250/yr registration? Thats what it's been here in IL for the past 4 years.
Maybe these states are trying to recoup the buyer's credit handout.
@darylfoster7944 ours just doesn't like skipping the gas taxes. $100 more for EV than ICE cars.
@@Rigger82 well, the gas tax is a fair point, but the average driver is unlikely to pay $250/year in tax, so it's definitely excessive.
I’m gonna guess Zac also expecting a couple roadsters from referrals….. he’s now just one of many turning
How crowded/untidy does the Audi look.
How many shares will I need to retire in 25-35 years !?!?!?!
This how you develop a defensive driver , ten and two 😉
They said Tesla Joy is using old hardware
It's actually irresponsible to suggest anyone take their hands off the wheel at this point in the development of autonomy. The hardest problem is the handoff between computer and human should it be needed. Ford's approach is DANGEROUS.
One could say, “inherently dangerous” . . . 😮
Yeah.
I’m a shareholder and own 2 Teslas. It is ludicrous, ha, that Tesla is taking people’s money to work as their employees working to develop their software and thus helping Tesla make money. Tesla should be offering free FSD to the people who help shape it.
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GOD BLESS THE DOUBLE SPEED BUTTON
"Jerry rig everything" living up to the name?
Not sure how I feel about that comment about suggesting sitting in a garage with an ICE vehicle running…
I guess WA state is the worst @ $225 registration fees for 'electrification' - Punitive indeed!
Wouldn't it be awesome if FSD final version be 14.20 LOL
I don't understand not having your hands on or near the wheel, as claimed by Ford or GM. That's way more misleading than anything Tesla has ever claimed. That implies that you can be taking a bite of your burger while the car is moving. Your eyes may be on the road, but you're in no position to take control in an emergency.
Yes. And most of the time there's no clear benefit to not hold a hand on the wheel.
The risk with using video training is that bad human driving habits might be adopted…such as merging without signals or irrationally queuing behind cars when a lane is open.
Is the majority doing it? I think that’s the key question